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I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

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Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

There are times, like climbing, skiing, or hiking through dense brush, where having a minimalist pack is preferred, with no appendages to get snagged. Most outdoor shops sell a variety of add-on pockets which attach to the various compression straps on the pack, top, sides and back. There are also some for the hip belt and shoulder straps for quick access to water, snacks, map, compass, camera, etc., without removing the pack. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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If possible add a few fanny packs to the pack and use them for storage, compression and small day packs. You might want to start using a water bladder/hose assembly instead of a bottle. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

The Kelty Cloud has modular pockets that can be purchased separate.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

Since some of the add-on systems are real brand specific, some people get afterkmarket pockets sewn permanently onto the packs. penny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

I’m not a pro, but I’ve used that pack and was also frustrated by the mesh pockets, especially seeing that the compression straps go right over the pocket.  Who the heck thought up that bright idea? There is one external pocket that’s on the very top in the detachable fanny pack.  I kept small stuff in that pocket, and also used it to keep a hydration bladder.  That worked much better than fighting to get a water bottle in and out of those mesh pockets. Joel

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this looks like what you’re talking about: http://www.duraflexbuckles.com/duraflex/page12_13/page12_13.htm That is it! Thank you very much!

   We get some other clips at $.15 a set if we buy 2000 sets;o)    Ed Huesers

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That is it! Thank you very much! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was thinking of something smaller and lighter. You see them on the ends of shoulder straps for all kinds of bags such as camera bags and luggage; the keychain clip in a daypack, and other stuff. They commonly snap into D rings and sometimes include a swivel. Hand loops on your pack straps have them. So the hand loops on many trekking poles. For such light duty, I had in mind something in black nylon abut 1.25 inches long. The heavy metal ones are used to clip into the links os a chain.    Well, this looks like what you’re talking about: http://www.duraflexbuckles.com/duraflex/page12_13/page12_13.htm    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

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I was thinking of something smaller and lighter. You see them on the ends of shoulder straps for all kinds of bags such as camera bags and luggage; the keychain clip in a daypack, and other stuff. They commonly snap into D rings and sometimes include a swivel. Hand loops on your pack straps have them. So the hand loops on many trekking poles. For such light duty, I had in mind something in black nylon abut 1.25 inches long. The heavy metal ones are used to clip into the links os a chain.

   Well, this looks like what you’re talking about: http://www.duraflexbuckles.com/duraflex/page12_13/page12_13.htm    Ed Huesers    http://www.grandshelters.com

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Visit your local fishing (especially fly fishing) store.  They have just what you’re looking forl  Looks like a necklace with clips for all kinds of little tools.  I wouldn’t be caught dead using one, but that’s just me.  I’m not a "purist" fly fisher anyway.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Related question. –I have been wanting to use clips rather than a pocket for small items like compass, thermometer, knife, led flashlight and similar lanyard fodder. I would like to wear one lanyard and just clip the items to it or to my pack or my belt as needed. However, I need the clips. The only ones that I can find in local hardware stores are big, heavy steel ones.:-(  I would prefer light, cheap, plastic clips like you see on commercial goods. Does anyone have a source? I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

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I was thinking of something smaller and lighter. You see them on the ends of shoulder straps for all kinds of bags such as camera bags and luggage; the keychain clip in a daypack, and other stuff. They commonly snap into D rings and sometimes include a swivel. Hand loops on your pack straps have them. So the hand loops on many trekking poles. For such light duty, I had in mind something in black nylon abut 1.25 inches long. The heavy metal ones are used to clip into the links os a chain. I have a few of the keychain mini’biners but since I would clip them to a D ring or cord, they should be more bulky, heavy, and expensive than ideal. The nylon ones should be dirt cheap, half the size, and half the weight of even an mini’biner but only IF I can find some. I also camp with a BSA Troop so even if I buy a bag of 50-100, I could put them to use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you considered using rock climbing carabiners?  The actual "for climbing use" ones probably aren’t any lighter than the steel clips you found at the hardware store, but lots of places (REI, etc.) sell lightweight keychain carabiners.  I clip a few of those on my pack and use them to attach random stuff. Related question. –I have been wanting to use clips rather than a pocket for small items like compass, thermometer, knife, led flashlight and similar lanyard fodder. I would like to wear one lanyard and just clip the items to it or to my pack or my belt as needed. However, I need the clips. The only ones that I can find in local hardware stores are big, heavy steel ones.:-(  I would prefer light, cheap, plastic clips like you see on commercial goods. Does anyone have a source? I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

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Have you considered using rock climbing carabiners?  The actual "for climbing use" ones probably aren’t any lighter than the steel clips you found at the hardware store, but lots of places (REI, etc.) sell lightweight keychain carabiners.  I clip a few of those on my pack and use them to attach random stuff.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Related question. –I have been wanting to use clips rather than a pocket for small items like compass, thermometer, knife, led flashlight and similar lanyard fodder. I would like to wear one lanyard and just clip the items to it or to my pack or my belt as needed. However, I need the clips. The only ones that I can find in local hardware stores are big, heavy steel ones.:-(  I would prefer light, cheap, plastic clips like you see on commercial goods. Does anyone have a source? I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

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I am not sure what plastic clips you are referring to.  I have an old style metal shower curtain ring on my pack for hanging wet sox, but I have used it for haning other items as well.  Wal-Mart carries them.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Related question. –I have been wanting to use clips rather than a pocket for small items like compass, thermometer, knife, led flashlight and similar lanyard fodder. I would like to wear one lanyard and just clip the items to it or to my pack or my belt as needed. However, I need the clips. The only ones that I can find in local hardware stores are big, heavy steel ones.:-(  I would prefer light, cheap, plastic clips like you see on commercial goods. Does anyone have a source?

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Related question. –I have been wanting to use clips rather than a pocket for small items like compass, thermometer, knife, led flashlight and similar lanyard fodder. I would like to wear one lanyard and just clip the items to it or to my pack or my belt as needed. However, I need the clips. The only ones that I can find in local hardware stores are big, heavy steel ones.:-(  I would prefer light, cheap, plastic clips like you see on commercial goods. Does anyone have a source? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently bought an REI New Star, a 2000 model, at significant savings over the usual price.  I like the pack; size, fit, durability, price…all suit me.  (Did I say I was new at this?)  But the stinking thing has no outside pockets, except for a couple useless mesh pockets, and no daisy chain. There are a few lash points, which I am using for tent poles and my sleeping pad. Is there a retail product, like an add-on compartment, that can be added to the pack.  I hate the idea of all this junk hanging off my otherwise sleek pack, but the lack of readily accessible pockets is maddening.  It took an act of olympic contortion just to pull a water bottle from the mesh pockets, and getting it back in the pocket was almost impossible without removing the pack. How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues?

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I have a Gregory Reality with mesh pockets that have compression straps that go over them.  I put my stove bottle and water filter in the mesh pockets. The compression straps keep them from falling out.  I like the system.

Good point – I take back my blanket condemnation of the idea.  So they’re good for fuel and other stuff, bad for water bottles. Joel

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In cold temps I carry a water bottle on my pack belt in a special holder(Gregory sells these too).  When it warms up I use a hydration bag and drinking tube.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a Gregory Reality with mesh pockets that have compression straps that go over them.  I put my stove bottle and water filter in the mesh pockets. The compression straps keep them from falling out.  I like the system. Good point – I take back my blanket condemnation of the idea.  So they’re good for fuel and other stuff, bad for water bottles. Joel

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I have a Gregory Reality with mesh pockets that have compression straps that go over them.  I put my stove bottle and water filter in the mesh pockets.  The compression straps keep them from falling out.  I like the system. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you pros handle quick accessibliltity issues? I’m not a pro, but I’ve used that pack and was also frustrated by the mesh pockets, especially seeing that the compression straps go right over the pocket.  Who the heck thought up that bright idea? There is one external pocket that’s on the very top in the detachable fanny pack.  I kept small stuff in that pocket, and also used it to keep a hydration bladder.  That worked much better than fighting to get a water bottle in and out of those mesh pockets. Joel

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If one of the products your using is Mucilin , that may be your problem. Mucilin eats away at the coating of newer S.A. lines. Grouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

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I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

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I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

Before you use a fly line for the first time, seal the end with crazy glue.  You probably have some water seeping up the internal dacron weave. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) [..] After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  

well, I keep running into it also. I think there are a couple of reasons: * the tip end being ‘open’ so the water sips onto the dacron core (someone already mentioned this) * dirt from the water collecting by the fly line’s pores all I can think up is keep cleaning the tip end of the line, keep greasing it lightly. — CU, Jay (ICQ# 29249573) — When replying, remove ‘MAC’ from e-mail address in header —

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The best product I’ve ever found for floating flies as well as the end of my fly line isn’t even made for fishing.  "Albolene" is a makeup remover or skin moisturizer or something like that.  I’ve never asked exactly what it was intended for.  It comes in a 12 ounce plastic tub for about eight bucks and can be found in the health care aisles at many drugstores or department stores.  It looks a bit like vaseline, but isn’t nearly as sticky.  It melts easily at normal body temperature.  You simply rub a dab of it between yours fingers until it liquefies and then coat your fly (or the end of your line) with it.  It really is outstanding stuff!  It won’t discolor flies, doesn’t gum them up like so many of the commercial dressings, and really does keep them afloat.  I was originally turned onto this stuff by a guy who had been using it for many years. You can also dissolve this stuff in lighter fluid and dip your new flies in the solution before you store them in your fly boxes.  Then they’re ready to use when you get out on the stream. I clean my lines with Armor All and then coat the tip with Albolene.  Works very well.  By the way, a 12 oz. jar of Albolene will last you and your fishing buddies just about for the rest of your natural lives.  Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

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I reposted this because I got a very low response on the first try  … can anyone offer suggestions for low-cost (or no-cost) sources (websites, catalogs, seed swaps, etc.)? I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks! – Rob

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I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks! – Rob

— Tom Miller If you like tropical plants like hibiscus, please see: <http://www.trop-hibiscus.com "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side."  … R.O.Clark

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I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks!

I’ve seen them advertised in Parks Seed, Wayside, and other catalogs. Mike Strickland USDA Zone 7 Sunset Zone 32

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I reposted this because I got a very low response on the first try  … can anyone offer suggestions for low-cost (or no-cost) sources (websites, catalogs, seed swaps, etc.)? I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks!

  The only ‘blue’ althea shrub that I’m aware of is Blue Bird which is sold as a plant by Wayside Gardens.  This is (or was) a patented plant and not widely available: if the patent is still valid, vegetative propagation is not legal.  It’s seeds sprout occasionally but do not come true.  I’ve had mine in zone 7 for 25 years and recommend it highly.  Photographs do not generally record the flower color accurately, but I think it is the best of the altheas. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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NOTICE!  NOTICE!  NOTICE! This is just a heads-up that the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishing Club of Corvallis, Oregon, USA, is holding its monthly member meeting on Tuesday, February 4th, 1997.  The meeting will be at CH2M Hill’s facility, at King’s and Walnut, in Corvallis.  We meet at 7:30pm, with a social dinner opportunity at Pizza Hut, across the street, starting at 6:00pm. You don’t need to be a member to attend.  This month’s program will see Keith Burkhart, of The Vally Flyshop, in Salem, OR, demonstrating rod building. Hope to see you there, Charley

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Gee, too bad I didn’t see this yesterday.  I’ve been playing catchup. -Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NOTICE!  NOTICE!  NOTICE! This is just a heads-up that the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishing Club of Corvallis, Oregon, USA, is holding its monthly member meeting on Tuesday, February 4th, 1997.  The meeting will be at CH2M Hill’s facility, at King’s and Walnut, in Corvallis.  We meet at 7:30pm, with a social dinner opportunity at Pizza Hut, across the street, starting at 6:00pm. You don’t need to be a member to attend.  This month’s program will see Keith Burkhart, of The Vally Flyshop, in Salem, OR, demonstrating rod building. Hope to see you there, Charley

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i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg

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i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg

Check out TK Flysupply’s web page at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com:80/homepages/tk_flyshop/ I went fishing on one of the North Oregon coast streams with Kendall Lee a few weeks ago and caught a bright 20# Chinook. Kendall is a flyfishing pro and part time guide. He knows the rivers and can get you into fish. Your visit to Portland is timed right for early winter stealhead fishing. Should be a great time to fish. —        * * *  Some days I’d rather just give up and go fishing * * * Doug Freeman

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i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg

Hi Greg: You might try calling Glenn Young.  He may not be actively guiding anymore, but can probably recommend someone to you.  He used to specialize in northern Oregon coastal fly fishing.  His number is 503-642-4570.  Best of luck!!! Paul

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Greg — Mark Bachmann at the Flyfishing Shop in Welches is one of the best, especially if you want to fish the Sandy in a drift boat.  The shop’s web page address is — http://www.teleport.com/~flyfish/index.html and the telephone number is — (503) 622-4607. Have fun. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg Hi Greg: You might try calling Glenn Young.  He may not be actively guiding anymore, but can probably recommend someone to you.  He used to specialize in northern Oregon coastal fly fishing.  His number is 503-642-4570.  Best of luck!!! Paul

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens. Good luck, Don Pisinski

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens.

Especially good if you have some "Dr. Juice Phish Pheromone Trout In Heat" flavored strike putty on hand. TimW (just typing that got me excited…)

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Kinda makes me think I’m going to way too much trouble tying flies.   I was reading something a few weeks ago about a study done underwater in which some percent of "nymphs" were expelled by the fish because they were sticks, rocks, etc. Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

Tony Route suggested tying up a small bomber pattern in the same colors as the strike indicator, and using that.  Bomber is a spun deer hair piece of work, nothing fancy.  I tied some up, but never used them yet.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big.  

Try using strike indicator putty.  Then if they start hitting your strike indicator, you can cover the nymph with the strike putty and away you go Carl carl

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Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? Or a 12 bore shotgun.  Such idiotic fish need eliminating before they

stagnate the gene pool. Bruce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott (snip)

Hi, I have seen wild rainbows take some pretty large and gaudy strike indicators on spawning runs. It’s also quite common practice here to fish for browns with a dry fly as an indicator above a nymph. It’s sometimes an even bet as to which one gets taken by the fish. Ken Sims New Zealand

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

Or a parachute adams with a pink post.  Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

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drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida Or a parachute adams with a pink post.  Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

Or just thread a hook thru the strike indicator. Not "pure", but effective. Jerry — Jerry Brown Web: http://rampages.onramp.net/~jbrown "When the Huns are at the gate, they ain’t gonna knock…"

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I sometimes have success with a fly called the Serendipity.  It’s   midge pattern with a red or orange thorax.  I like to use Peacock herl for the body with fine silver or copper wire rib.  Drift it in the film or just under the surface. Your milage may vary. Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices.  Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse.  I can see it, so I guess fish can too.  It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I am not one to use strike indicators, largely because it reminds me too much of fishing for catfish as a child. However, I may suggest that you use a floating line and a sinking leader (or leader to which you have applied some sinkant). A combination of sinkant on one and of the line and a clean, floatant-treated line on the other end has worked for me in situations where others might have used strike indicators. Of course, I am also prone to overuse of shims when building, so my solutions are not always the most sound… W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand,   "Genie du Christianisme" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices.  Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse.  I can see it, so I guess fish can too.  It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big.   Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying?   Tight lines, Mark Cahill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation SNIPPED TO FIT: Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I could jump into this discussion but think I best not as my views are miles apart  here.  However, I agree with ‘the hint,’ zeno. George Gehrke Mr. Gink

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

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Completely understand.  The notorious Indicator Hatch.   The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift.

I did this, and I’ll be goddamned if it didn’t work! After having a few "selective trout" break out of their feeding patterns to chase my styrofoam orange strike indicator, I went home to the vice, clamped in a number ten hook and wrapped an adhesive backed strike indicator around it. I probably could of stopped right there but, purist that I am, I wrapped a grizzly hackle around the head and tied it off. Vince Marinaro was probably convulsing in his grave as I trotted back to my (then) home water, leering like the Grinch on his sleighride to Whoville. Needless to say, it worked. Not on every fish (thank god) but it worked. It’s all in the orange. Next time you’re tying an Adams, substitute an orange floss body for the usual muskrat. You didn’t hear it from me. Spinolio

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

In North Georgia most streams are stocked and trophy streams are fed. Although I have had the same experience on streams with natural production which are not fed and the 6" to 10" fish likely are generations away from any fish that was. One particular stream was exclusively browns. I attribute it to the fact that trout are opportunists, curious about there surroundings and lacking hands, they put it in their mouth to find out what it is. Could be a meal and they may be few and far between. When I first began fishing I took a few fish for consumption. One such fish upon examining the stomach contents was full of some type of hard green seeds that had been floating downstream. Not only did the fish not find it offnesive, it continued to gulp the seeds which were also further along in the intestine in much the same condition as those in the stomach. I suppose the fish ‘felt’ full whether it was nutritious or not. The past weekend I was fishing worm imitation, floating it along the bottom in a clear tail out and watched a fish ‘take’ it, or so I thought. I missed, but as the the leaves are falling here, the fish grabbed a leaf and held it in its mouth a little longer than you would expect before realizing what it had. Almost as much fun to observe as to catch! regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

Put a hook on it!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I have had it happen with a yellow strike indicator during hopper season.  Switch to a hopper usually works then. YMMV. Dan — Daniel J. Gaspar                        Department of Chemistry (773) 702-7209                          University of Chicago

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

   I don’t know the entomology of this, but it is common experience. I always carry an orange humpy or two for this situation. They even make pretty good strike indicators. Joel A. Tobias 2941 Doctors Park Dr. Medford, OR 97504

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil

I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

In line with Tim’s comment I often use an orange Bug (deer hair clipped sinker shaped with a hackle wound through) as an indicator, and it has landed fish. Paul

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

Completely understand.  The notorious Indicator Hatch.   The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift. TimW

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I started quite a discussion with my "8 or 9 wt  rod" question and I want to thank all for your experience and wisdom. With all the input, I have decided on an 8 wt rod, which should be very versatile here in CA. I now have a question about line. I have now been told by 2 shops that a shooting head is the only way to go for CA steelhead. Its a bit intimidating in that I see all the casters at the pond untangling huge masses of  monofilament line. (Its hard enough to double haul right now without added complications!) I know that there are lines such as Teeny’s T’s, Cortland’s 24′ sink tip equivalent, and a Cortland line which is attached to braided mono. Shooting heads apparently offer the greatest flexibility in that different heads can be selected: floating and heads with various sink rates. It also offers a confusing number of options. Should I attach the shooting head to a floating running line, which is then attached to the mono backing, or do I attach the shooting head directly to the mono, as I see so many guys at the pond doing? If I do attach  the head to an intermediary section of floating running line, what diameter?, floating or sinking? Should I stick with a shooting head system and if so, what brands can I investigate? (I know Orvis provides a kit like system.) In a catalogue I have also seen 100

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Anyone use a FF comp. game/simulator that goes by the name of Fly Fishing The McCloud River? Yeah? Well, don’t leave us in suspense…

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The McCloud River Game is available from Orvis San Francisco 3 animated screens ..run..riffle..pool.  Nice casting loops..success based on selecting fly best for season/time of day..casting to holding water for large trout..reel zzzz fish break off.. not designed for hard core game manics..fly fisherman new to computer games love it for the feel of fly fishing for big rainbows and browns on the best freestone river anywhere. dh

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Due to the assumption that most people reading this news group are quite versed in FF and their needs in regard to the sport, please entertain me with answering these questions in regard to what would you want to see in a FF Shop?   Listed below are some areas that I have found to be lacking in some stores I have visited.  Please tell me if you think this would be of interest to fly fishers.  If not elaborate on what should be done to make it more useful to a FF customer. Thanks. *Sales staff-knowledgable, yet friendly. *A comfortable seating area with reading materials (i.e. books that are for sale in the shop and current FF magazines publications.  Also a t.v. for viewing videos being sold in the shop.) *Early hours on the weekends (i.e. opening at 5am) *Late hours on the weekdays (i.e. closing at 8pm) *Customers can view FF on the internet with a terminal set up in the shop and can get print outs from BBS and newsgroups. *An outdoor area to have a chance to cast a rod before purchasing. *Loaner equipment, in order to try out a rod to make sure it

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Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise? Sorry, Fisherman’s Paradise is a famous stretch of Spring Creek north of State College, PA.  The state, which owns this part of the stream, manages it as a special-regulations area — catch and release/no wading. The wild fish population is very dense, no doubt due to the special regulations.  Interestingly, the special regulations are the result of some sort of chemical contamination in this part of the stream, which makes the fish unsafe to eat, but apparently does little in the way of impacting on their reproduction.

The chemical contamination was mirex and a second which I can’t remember now. The DER does testing periodically and found that the last test proved the fish would now be safe for consumption.  When this was announced the two camps (C&R , C&K) both had their say.  Obviously only one camp was going to be happy. DER decision was to keep the special regs in place since they had helped to enhance the number and quality of the fish. We still experience new contami nation rather frequently.  Factories in the area (watershed) would rather pay the fine (usually 10K) for their mess than to spend the money to avoid future spills and contamination. Bug hatches had made a comeback on the stream but many of the more fragile spec ies are gone forever.  If you get the chance, walk through the Frost Entomologi cal Museum on the Penn State campus to see what once lived on the stream. Rather sad to see what we do to the environment.  The phrase: we all live downstream rings true!!!                                  Scott Maitland

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Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise?

Sorry, Fisherman’s Paradise is a famous stretch of Spring Creek north of State College, PA.  The state, which owns this part of the stream, manages it as a special-regulations area — catch and release/no wading.  The wild fish population is very dense, no doubt due to the special regulations.  Interestingly, the special regulations are the result of some sort of chemical contamination in this part of the stream, which makes the fish unsafe to eat, but apparently does little in the way of impacting on their reproduction. andy

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I finally made it up to Fisherman’s Paradise this past weekend.  Driving down the road that leads to the park, I tried not to get my hopes up to high.  I was expecting tons of people, park officials, cars, noise, etc.  In other words, everything that a trout person loathes.  Much to my utter amazement,  Fisherman’s Paradise turned out to be everything the books say it is — clean, serene, and uncrowded.  And to top it all off, there’s even fish there — big, beautiful, wild browns.  However, these fish have no doubt seen it all.  I fished for hours (terrestrials, nymphs, etc.) trying to convince just one of these monsters to nip at my fly — nothing doing.  They just sorta looked at my little black ant, bored stiff.  Frustrating yes, but what great fun!!  Andy sez check it out!!

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I finally made it up to Fisherman’s Paradise this past weekend.

Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise?

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Parham) says: I finally made it up to Fisherman’s Paradise this past weekend. Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise?

Fisherman’s Paradise is in Central PA near State College (home of Penn State Un iversity).  It was the first flyfishing only, special regs stream in the USA. Don’t remember the exact year this was developed but it’s been around a long time.  Fly only, C&R, barbless hooks, leader length limits, no wading…. It’s not stocked but is well known for number of fish per mile.  ALso well know n for having difficult fish that have seen it all (or close to it)!!!  There are some HUGE browns swimming here but they are stubborn. More info can be found by looking it up in flyfishing books about the NE or PA if not under the Paradise name look up Spring Creek in the Central area of PA (sometimes listed as Northcentral or Southcentral depending upon the book).                                Scott Maitland (it’s my "home stream")

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