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 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

heh, heh, heh! Deer freezing in the headlights I can understand.  Deer seeking out the headlights leaves me somewhat bemused, not to mention the rather sorry state it leaves them in.  "Selfrighteous prig"?  Ouch!  If that is the best you can do for an insult you pathetic little cocksucker, you really ARE in the wrong place.  Hell, that wasn’t even amusing. Clueless newbie is a term rarely applied to anyone who comes in asking for information or anyone who pauses to introduce him or her self. Typically it is reserved for sanctimonious pieces of shit like yourself who have somehow gotten into their pointed little heads the idea that they need to come in here and clean up the joint.  Let me guess, you REALLY thought that by laying it on heavy like you did, you would force me to roll over and concede your moral and intellectual superiority, right?  The bad man would slink off in dismay and the usenet would live happily ever after, right?  I’ll bet you’ve got a spiffy collection of John Wayne and Gary Cooper movies, huh? If you had taken the time to acquaint yourself with the place you’d just walked into it might have caused you to have your head out of your ass long enough to get a bit of oxygen to what passes for your brain.  As a result it might have dawned on you that the thread you were responding to was somewhat tongue in cheek (not at all the same thing as having your entire skull firmly lodged BETWEEN your cheeks).   If you think MY attitude is offensive, just wait till one of the REAL assholes in here sinks his teeth into your sorry decrepit ass.  How to learn?  ASK A FUCKING QUESTION! At any rate, nice to have you aboard.  Stick around for a while; I suspect you will provide many hours of diversion.  And DO have a nice day asshole.    :) Wolfgang STILL the undefeated world champion Royal ROFFian Guardian Against Sanctimony!

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….Can you imagine there was the digital equivalent of a barfight over the definition of meniscus??

Oh come now Herman, that was hardly a barfight!  As I recall, it one of the more civilized, not to mention enlightening, discussions that has ever taken place among my esteemed brethren here.  Nary a harsh word was written.        :)

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Hey Wolfie, are you the selfrighteous prig or am I.  I’m confused?  I thought we were making fun of flamers.

Didn’t LaPlac call you a prig last year when he had that bad cold? — Charlie…

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Don, you’ll usually find what you need, if you can separate the wheat from the burning chaff.  Did you ask a question that got ignored or are you just being hypothetical?  Charlie,   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ?

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

Innocence Abused. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hey Wolfie, are you the selfrighteous prig or am I.  I’m confused?  I thought we were making fun of flamers.

Um, I believe that would be me Peter.  As I recall, you are the hapless Canuck.

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So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. — Don Thompson Zoomie(BushBug) ACA#3460 TLCB#335 Any Time, Any Place

Hey Wolfie, are you the selfrighteous prig or am I.  I’m confused?  I thought we were making fun of flamers. Peter

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Oh come now Herman, that was hardly a barfight!  As I recall, it one of the more civilized, not to mention enlightening, discussions that has ever taken place among my esteemed brethren here.  Nary a harsh word was written.    :)

Let’s pray for sanctuary from this sanctimony<g. — Charlie…

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[neat rant snipped] Wolfgang STILL the undefeated world champion Royal ROFFian Guardian Against Sanctimony!

Oh, OK you’re the selfrighteous prig.  Good, saves me the bother. Peter

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 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

Wow, this is too good to be true. A sanctimonious, name calling, self confessed, clueless newbie. OK, so who’s the funny man ? Which one of you clever assholes made this one up ? Opie ? RDean ? — Ken Fortenberry

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So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. — Don Thompson Zoomie(BushBug) ACA#3460 TLCB#335 Any Time, Any Place Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

You certainly know how to make an entrance.  Once you’ve saught medical treatment for your rectal-cranial inversion condition, please make yourself at home and enjoy the place. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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 Well,  Thanks both Herman and Charlie.   Er was than meniscus or maniscus?     grin —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| Don, | It happens. Some questions are somehow not touched by anyone, while | other, most of the time completely unexpected and without any relation | to the original topic, change into threads that run for weeks and even | turn into mudslinging contests. Can you imagine there was the digital | equivalent of a barfight over the definition of meniscus?? Don’t ask, | you might stir up the, ehmm.. nevermind. | And as for elite.. there is no such thing as elite over here. Just stick | around, and don’t hesitate to ask a question. | | Have fun, Herman | |

| |  Charlie, | |   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless | newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn | here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and | get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is | undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like | clueless newbies ? | | — |  Don Thompson |  Zoomie(BushBug) |  ACA#3460 |  TLCB#335 |  Any Time, Any Place | |  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air. | | | | Charlie, | | | | In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help | | before getting run over.Wish it were so here. | | | | I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out | | pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting | | pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it | | personally, though. FWIW. | | — | | Charlie… | | — | | Cheers, Herman | Herman Nijland | Daytime webmaster | Lifetime flyfisher

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So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??

Look both ways before stepping out in traffic? — Charlie…

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 Charlie,  In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help before getting run over.Wish it were so here. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| | So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude | offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to | flame?? | | Look both ways before stepping out in traffic? | — | Charlie…

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 Charlie,   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ? —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| | Charlie, | | In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help | before getting run over.Wish it were so here. | | I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out | pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting | pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it | personally, though. FWIW. | — | Charlie…

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if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ?

Maybe nobody knows the answer? — Charlie…

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Charlie, In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help before getting run over.Wish it were so here.

I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it personally, though. FWIW. — Charlie…

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So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

Actually, clueless newbies who are polite are taken pity on and helped to a wealth of comprehensive fly-fishing knowledge that spans the globe. Clueless newbies with a bad attitude are despised and flamed.   It’s a pretty simple distinction actually.   I’m sure you’ll see the difference pretty soon. Joe F. Newbie once, clueless never.

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Don, It happens. Some questions are somehow not touched by anyone, while other, most of the time completely unexpected and without any relation to the original topic, change into threads that run for weeks and even turn into mudslinging contests. Can you imagine there was the digital equivalent of a barfight over the definition of meniscus?? Don’t ask, you might stir up the, ehmm.. nevermind. And as for elite.. there is no such thing as elite over here. Just stick around, and don’t hesitate to ask a question. Have fun, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Charlie,   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ? —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air. | | Charlie, | | In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help | before getting run over.Wish it were so here. | | I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out | pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting | pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it | personally, though. FWIW. | — | Charlie…

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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 Pretty good list but we’re still missing a few.  I can’t find you anywhere.  There were no pictures of a taxonomists anywhere, but can I still send you that bow by UPS to get stuffed?

Stuff it!    Oops, I meant; stuff it?  

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 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

Umm, excuse me for interrupting, but you spelled "pig" wrong. — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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…[stuff] —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

p.s. Love your sig line – who designed it for you, Steve Z.? — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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As an erstwhile taxonomist I have always been somewhat distressed by the lack of fine distinction made in describing the various individuals we encounter here.  The recent "Let me know what you think" thread is a case in point; spammer, troll, clueless newbie, and asshole simply do not suffice for differentiating among the multifarious life forms which frequent this pond.  to help remedy this situation I offer the following: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Let the games begin!

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As an erstwhile taxonomist I have always been somewhat distressed by the lack of fine distinction made in describing the various individuals we encounter here.  The recent "Let me know what you think" thread is a case in point; spammer, troll, clueless newbie, and asshole simply do not suffice for differentiating among the multifarious life forms which frequent this pond.  to help remedy this situation I offer the following: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Let the games begin!

 Pretty good list but we’re still missing a few.  I can’t find you anywhere.  There were no pictures of a taxonomists anywhere, but can I still send you that bow by UPS to get stuffed? Peter

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 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| | As an erstwhile taxonomist I have always been somewhat distressed by the | lack of fine distinction made in describing the various individuals we | encounter here.  The recent "Let me know what you think" thread is a | case in point; spammer, troll, clueless newbie, and asshole simply do | not suffice for differentiating among the multifarious life forms which | frequent this pond.  to help remedy this situation I offer the | following: | | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html | | Let the games begin! | |  Pretty good list but we’re still missing a few.  I can’t find you | anywhere.  There were no pictures of a taxonomists anywhere, but can I | still send you that bow by UPS to get stuffed? | | Peter | |

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I caught a 12# Carp last summer using 3 nightcrawlers on a size 1/0 hook.

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the Biggest Carp I ever caught was a 20Lber on the Fox River in Illinois, On a nightcrawler. I caught a 12# Carp last summer using 3 nightcrawlers on a size 1/0 hook.

– Mike….. All women want me, And All fish fear me!

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one thing I liked most about useing strawberry pop and wheaties doughball

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the Biggest Carp I ever caught was a 20Lber on the Fox River in Illinois, On a nightcrawler. I caught a 12# Carp last summer using 3 nightcrawlers on a size 1/0 hook. — Mike….. All women want me, And All fish fear me!

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There are many state records, other documented catches (such as the In-Fisherman Master Angler Contest) and "surprised" bass anglers that catch the largest lunker carp on minnow, crawfish and other swimming "critter" lures.  There seems to be a trend that many of the biggest of the big carp rely more on a meat diet to support themselves. By biggest of the big I’m talking carp in the 30-50 lb range. Pat Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have always had good luck for carp with night crawlers and doughball. My doughball consists of cornmeal, flour, strawberry extract, and strawberry jello mix to help hold it all together.  Mix them all up in a bowl, roll them into baseball size balls, wrap them in foil, and put in the fridge to allow the jello to set.  Then, take them fishing and pinch small pieces from the ball as you need them for bait. What size carp do you catch with nightcrawlers?  I have never caught anything but juveniles with worms.  The adults seem to be total vegetarians, in my experience. —  << << << << << << << <<  << << << << << << << <<

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Hi, I am a beginner in fishing and I was wondering if bread is a good bait for catching carp?What would be the best way to put bread on a hook so it wont fall off?Whats would be the best size hook to use? thanks

Hi Tony, I grew up on the banks of the Sacramento River just south of Sacramento. My brothers and I made our own dough with flower from the kitchen. You add water to wheat flower and mix it by hand in a bowl untill it is about like ‘Play Dough’. We added anything for smell, like bacon grease or vinegar. Then we took some snelled hooks and rolled the dough on the hooks about the size of marble or grape. We let them dry in the sun so they would not come off too easily. We caught some big carp with those dough balls. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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hey if you are or like fishing for carp, roll bread in a corn bread mix and make dough ball, use size 4 or 2  hooks

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Hi, I am a beginner in fishing and I was wondering if bread is a good bait for catching carp?What would be the best way to put bread on a hook so it wont fall off?Whats would be the best size hook to use? thanks

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Try using corn instead.

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Hey Tony…40 years ago when I first started fishing, carp was just a fun fish but it wasn’t fun unless you caught some. Always learning from the older people, the ones that fished for carp where I was used doughballs, made from Wheaties and Strawberry Pop…crunch the wheaties up in your hand, and pour some pop on them, mix it altogether in your hand to make a thick ball, or roll in your hand till you have something like a cigar. Using small treble hooks, you pinch a piece off and round it up on the hook. They love it.  Of course wheaties was only $0.39 and pop was a nickle back then,,but the carp hasn’t changed. Just like Bass still like worms and minows. Good luck. Pat

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I have always had good luck for carp with night crawlers and doughball. My doughball consists of cornmeal, flour, strawberry extract, and strawberry jello mix to help hold it all together.  Mix them all up in a bowl, roll them into baseball size balls, wrap them in foil, and put in the fridge to allow the jello to set.  Then, take them fishing and pinch small pieces from the ball as you need them for bait. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a beginner in fishing and I was wondering if bread is a good bait for catching carp?What would be the best way to put bread on a hook so it wont fall off?Whats would be the best size hook to use? thanks

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Hay Tony!! Your getting some darned good advise on bait…However, Dick says tell him to fish where the carp are smoking up the bottem,,not where they are laying out there and you can see them..

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I have always had good luck for carp with night crawlers and doughball. My doughball consists of cornmeal, flour, strawberry extract, and strawberry jello mix to help hold it all together.  Mix them all up in a bowl, roll them into baseball size balls, wrap them in foil, and put in the fridge to allow the jello to set.  Then, take them fishing and pinch small pieces from the ball as you need them for bait.

What size carp do you catch with nightcrawlers?  I have never caught anything but juveniles with worms.  The adults seem to be total vegetarians, in my experience. —  << << << << << << << <<  << << << << << << << <<

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        I got tired of catching the regular fish we had around here so I asked a friend what we could do about getting in some different species. He said that he had been to Arkansas and up there they planted trout. I called the Fish and Game people and they were more than happy to send me some baby rainbows. Now, here’s the problem….         I keep planting them and they keep dying. I asked my buddy about it and he thinks we’re planting them too deep. My thought is…maybe our soil ain’t right. ps. Would fish meal be a good fertilizer? Why aren’t you fishing? Da’ Capt

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YOU GOT IT RIGHT!  They are definitely planted too deep.  Also, maybe browns would work better? Ed BTW – forget it!

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All hatchery trout should be planted, preferably in dirt. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YOU GOT IT RIGHT!  They are definitely planted too deep.  Also, maybe browns would work better? Ed BTW – forget it!

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Are you planting the heads UP or DOWN ???? Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         I got tired of catching the regular fish we had around here so I asked a friend what we could do about getting in some different species. He said that he had been to Arkansas and up there they planted trout. I called the Fish and Game people and they were more than happy to send me some baby rainbows. Now, here’s the problem….         I keep planting them and they keep dying. I asked my buddy about it and he thinks we’re planting them too deep. My thought is…maybe our soil ain’t right. ps. Would fish meal be a good fertilizer? Why aren’t you fishing? Da’ Capt

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Gary, I would have a look at Redington. I find them to be reasonably priced and good casting rods with a solid warranty. Scott has a new series out called the Voyager series. They are priced at just over $100 but I’m not sure what the warranty is. Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help! Gary

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Gary, Luther makes a good point about multi-piece (more than two) rods having a different feel than 2 piece rods.  There is also the point that multi-piece rods are more expensive.  If you want the ultimate pack rod, look at the new Sage, 5 wt., five-piece rod.  I cast it last week and you can’t tell it’s a five-piece.  Very smooth.  I’d love to own one, but I’m sending the wife to Germany instead of buying a new rod. Tough decision! Good luck, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help! Gary

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Gary: The Thomas and Thomas Emerger series is wonderful at about $250.00.

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<SNIP I’d love to own one, but I’m sending the wife to Germany instead of buying a new rod. Tough decision! Good luck, Bob

Yeah, but now that you’re rid of her, you can buy all the new rods you want, right?   Bob Scott (saving up to send my girlfriend to the North Pole)

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Yes. The multi-piece rods feel more like slow to medium action cane rods to me. I like the feel for certain applications (big, open streams mostly), but not in general. I haven’t tried the new Sage 5-piece, but will now that I know about it. That is, if I can convince MY wife to accept that ticket to Germany…. Luther – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gary, Luther makes a good point about multi-piece (more than two) rods having a different feel than 2 piece rods.  There is also the point that multi-piece rods are more expensive.  If you want the ultimate pack rod, look at the new Sage, 5 wt., five-piece rod.  I cast it last week and you can’t tell it’s a five-piece.  Very smooth.  I’d love to own one, but I’m sending the wife to Germany instead of buying a new rod. Tough decision! Good luck, Bob I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help! Gary

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I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help! Gary

Hi All, Three, four and five piece rods are very popular today. I still hear some veterans fly fishers advising beginners to stay away from muli-piece rods due to inferior actions and excessive weight. This was true 20 or more years ago, but today we have trouble selling high end rods in the two piece configuration. The most popular combination for us is a nine foot rod in three pieces. Many of the anglers that are buying high end rods are traveling and have no use for two piece rods. I am afraid that you will have to look at rods that are over the $200 mark to get a multi-piece that is light and cast well. Sage, Loomis, Scott, Winston, T&T and Orvis all have good travel rods. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I just got (well, OK, I’ve got to wait until Christmas until I can actually play with it a new Redington RedStart 4-piece that felt nice and crisp to me.  I’m used to a relatively slow rod (St. Croix Pro Graphite) so maybe this rod would be slow-and- sloppy to others, but to me it felt pretty good.  I’m looking forward to being able to try it out next spring.  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Bob:  I have a Redstart 4-piece, that I think is a great, crisp action rod. Any way you could sneak it out before Christmas? The grip can’t get too dirty after only one or two trips.

Yeah, I could probably manage it – but why?  It’ll still be a nice, shiny, new rod next spring, and if I wait I won’t annoy my wife.  Hey, you gotta love a woman who buys you fishin’ stuff.  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Bill was respond post about rods & mentioned several makers, prompting the long standing question:  How many of these manufacturer their own blanks?   Was once told its like lawnmowers, where two or three manufacture all the deck, & a few more the motors. alp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Three, four and five piece rods are very popular today. I still hear some veterans fly fishers advising beginners to stay away from muli-piece rods due to inferior actions and excessive weight. This was true 20 or more years ago, but today we have trouble selling high end rods in the two piece configuration. The most popular combination for us is a nine foot rod in three pieces. Many of the anglers that are buying high end rods are traveling and have no use for two piece rods. I am afraid that you will have to look at rods that are over the $200 mark to get a multi-piece that is light and cast well. Sage, Loomis, Scott, Winston, T&T and Orvis all have good travel rods.

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Bill was respond to a post about rods & mentioned several makers, prompting the long standing question:  How many of these manufacturer their own blanks?   Was once told its like lawnmowers, where two or three manufacture all the deck, & a few more the motors. alp – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Three, four and five piece rods are very popular today. I still hear some veterans fly fishers advising beginners to stay away from muli-piece rods due to inferior actions and excessive weight. This was true 20 or more years ago, but today we have trouble selling high end rods in the two piece configuration. The most popular combination for us is a nine foot rod in three pieces. Many of the anglers that are buying high end rods are traveling and have no use for two piece rods. I am afraid that you will have to look at rods that are over the $200 mark to get a multi-piece that is light and cast well. Sage, Loomis, Scott, Winston, T&T and Orvis all have good travel rods.

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I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help! Gary

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Gary– I don’t think you’ll find much price difference between the Sage, Orvis, and Loomis. The St. Croix might be a bit cheaper. 4-piece rods have a different feel and action than 2-piece. At least to me,. they generally feel more like old-fashioned fibreglass or bamboo rods, with a slow to medium action. I own Sage, Loomis and Orvis 2-piece rods, and Orvis and Loomis 4-piece ones. Although I travel a lot, I rarely take the 4-piecers. I don’t like the slower action, and I find that my two-piece rods (8-ft 4-wts and 7-ft 9-in 2 and 2-weights) fit in most airline overhead bins. In the 2-piece rod category, I much prefer the Sages, especially when nymphing, but they do have a tendency to break. If you like the sport, and want to contiinue enjoying it, including tying your own files and all the other stuff we get into, go to several shops, try a lot of dffrerent rod, reel and line combinations, and buy the one that feels most comfortable to you when you cast it, regardless of price. Lots of shops here in Colorado will even let you take a rod and reel out on the stream for the day. Unless you live somewhere that large fish are common, I’d bet that you would like a 4 or 5-weight medium action rod best. Luther – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help! Gary

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I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help!

Gary’s choice is simplified because 4-piece rods are relatively rare.  Next, the question is whether he can tell the difference in actual use between expensive and cheap rods:  if not, he might as well buy the cheaper.  If he can see and feel the difference, he should test cast as many different makes as possible, to see which he prefers.  This decision can be made only by test casting various brands.  I would not buy from any dealer unwilling or unable to allow test casting (most do but some do not — which again simplifies things.) If apprehensive about breaking tips, Gary can limit his selection to those with 25-year guarantees (usually adver- tised in the FF magazines.) There is no such thing as a "beginner" rod.  My first rod (Fenwick brown glass FF model) cost $30 or $40 in 1970 or thereabouts and remains available as a backup or to lend to friends. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I just got (well, OK, I’ve got to wait until Christmas until I can actually play with it a new Redington RedStart 4-piece that felt nice and crisp to me.  I’m used to a relatively slow rod (St. Croix Pro Graphite) so maybe this rod would be slow-and- sloppy to others, but to me it felt pretty good.  I’m looking forward to being able to try it out next spring.  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

    Personally I think it imperative the swystem be tested to assure proper operation and satisfaction, the sooner the better so that if there is a problem it can be solved now before the weather turns. Also on Christmas morning I’d string it up and hike out to the yard for a bit of casting practice noteing that snow is just cold highly aireated water after all.                                                             John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

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Bob:  I have a Redstart 4-piece, that I think is a great, crisp action rod. Any way you could sneak it out before Christmas? The grip can’t get too dirty after only one or two trips. Mark Faulkner I just got (well, OK, I’ve got to wait until Christmas until I can actually play with it a new Redington RedStart 4-piece that felt nice and crisp to me.  I’m used to a relatively slow rod (St. Croix Pro Graphite) so maybe this rod would be slow-and- sloppy to others, but to me it felt pretty good.  I’m looking forward to being able to try it out next spring.  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Gary, try LL Bean.  They aren’t too pricey (as these things go).  Service is GREAT and the rod is guaranteed for life Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to flyfishing  and am using a beginner rod. Time to move up and want a 4 piece travel rod, 5wt. Sage seems popular but expensive. How is Loomis, St. Croix, Orvis or other by comparison? Lifetime warranty seems to be desirable (already broke rod tip once). Most fly shops seem to be set on what they sell…no wonder. What are your experiences? Thanks for the help! Gary

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Anyone have any recent info on water and hatch conditions on the Bighorn river below Yellowtail dam? Thanks, Don

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Anyone have any recent info on water and hatch conditions on the Bighorn river below Yellowtail dam? Thanks, Don

Hi Don The water is high but fishing is good on subsurface patterns.  I’m not sure about the hatches.   Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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There is a fair amount of info on the Bighorn, including current conditions, on Fly Fishing Adventures (http://www.ffa.com/). Check it out! Also, Bob Krumm lives in Ft. Smith and has guided the Bighorn for 12 years; contact him at (406) 666-2229; or call Bighorn Angler at (406) 666-2233. Larry Krum Editor, The Daily Hatch

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Greetings, Wow, I’ve been monitoring this newsgroup for a couple of weeks and never knew how many of my fellow flyfishers were on the net.  I’ve been a computer professional for most of my adult life, but never though much about computers and flyfishing until recently.  Well, anyway, here’s my question. 1) Are there any members of this group who are interested in FFing West Virginia?  If so, I have info, etc. 2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page?  I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest. 4)  Is anyone aware of any other pages, etc. that deal with West Virginia fishing.  I have spent a lot of time on Yahoo, et al with no results. 5)  If anyone has info on guides & lodging in WV, I would also be interested in that. Thanks, Keith Comstock

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2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page?  I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest.

Hi Keith, I live in Montana and still would be interested in a WV Web Page. Keep us posted on your progress. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Does anyone know the web address for the West Virginia Trout Unlimited page? Thanks in advance for any help

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The address for the West Virginia Council of Trout Unlimited and our fantastically good web page (for a non-profit) is: http://members.aol.com/WVTU/wvtu.html I hope this helps. PS- I am the currrent pres of the Cherrry River Chapter.  We’ve been bad and don’t have our own page yet. Keith Comstock Cranberry Wilderness Outfitters web – http://www.wvoutfitters.com

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I think you can  get the WVTU link from the TU homepage.   John W. Kramer                           Clearwater Outfitters                   WE ENDORSE CATCH AND RELEASE (717) 938-3423

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I fished Lewis Creek last Sunday with a couple of friends. Water was very high and muddy, no fish caught or seen. Rumor on the stream was one 5lb steelie taken the day before below the ‘falls’. Appreciate any info on other Champlain activity- Bouquet, Ausable, Saranac? Thanks — John Preston         *                                                                                   <`}}}}=< Ponhook F&G                                             <`}}}}=< Charleston, NS      <`}}}}=< **Please help save the Margaree !  If you’re interested, visit this website:      <<<  http://chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/CPAWS/jcb.html  

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John, Nothing happening yet on this side of the lake….haven’t heard of much on the other side(NY) either.  Water temps on Lewis are still far too cold (mid-30’s). Perhaps end of next week though. Good luck. James Ehlers                                                               Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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I am a beginning commercial fly tyer.  I have been at it for about a year and I find that one of the slowest aspects of my production tying is that of hair stacking (particularly calf tail/body). Does anyone know of any tools/methods that would serve to make this process more automated when tying large orders?  Any other hints on speed/production tying would be appreciated.

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I am a beginning commercial fly tyer.  I have been at it for about a year and I find that one of the slowest aspects of my production tying is that of hair stacking (particularly calf tail/body). Does anyone know of any tools/methods that would serve to make this process more automated when tying large orders?  Any other hints on speed/production tying would be appreciated.

Hi Mike I’ve been a commercial tiers for 39 years, the last 28 I’ve tied hair wing flies. When I started tying hair wings I purchased 24 hair stackers. When they are loaded I have the makings for a dozen wings and tails and thus a dozen hair wing flies. It really save a lot of time over constantly picking up and laying down the hair as you tie each pattern. It also helps in keeping track of the number of flies completed and only takes about 5 minutes to load them. You should be able to buy the stackers wholesale. If you have trouble finding a source let me know, I can get Griffins hair stackers for you for wholesale prices ($3.30 per each). Good Luck and if you need any additional info. let me know. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I built a hair stacker for a dozen flies. It is simply a board with flat bottom holes bored about 1/2 into the board ( a cabinet shop will be able to do this). I then inserted a collar of copper tubing into the bottom of the whole. The collar allows the stacked end of hair to extend beyond the end of the tube. The tube itself is copper tubing and flared at the end just like a regular hairstacker. The board can be loaded fairly rapidly and all the stacks can be evened by tapping the board on the counter top. I beveled one edge of the board so it can be stood on edge and the tubes are slanted. This allows for easy removal. As Al stated, it also helps keep track of the dozens tied. This is the pits when you are in the middle of 50 dozen size 12 Elk Hair Caddis ** Vic Brockett     <<< I fish therefore I am  ** ** Vic’s Fly-By-Night <<< Read "The River Why" **

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I am a beginning commercial fly tyer.  I have been at it for about a year and I find that one of the slowest aspects of my production tying is that of hair stacking (particularly calf tail/body). Does anyone know of any tools/methods that would serve to make this process more automated when tying large orders?  Any other hints on speed/production tying would be appreciated.

Skip Morris suggests stacking a whole bunch at once, and attaching the tip ends to a piece of masking tape, fold the tape over, then hold the whole deal together with a bulldog clip. Scott Univ. of Rochester Med. Ctr.            Phone(716)275-6399 Dept. of Neurology, Box 605               Fax(716)244-4617 Rochester, NY  14642

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I am interested in information on guides in or about Kalispell and Whitefish, Montana.  I will be in the area in early August.   Thanks Dave Craig

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I am interested in information on guides in or about Kalispell and Whitefish, Montana.  I will be in the area in early August.   Thanks Dave Craig

Dave, I used to spend time in this area and didn’t find so many opportunities, especially in August.   I drove to Libby and fished the Kootenai with guide Dave Blackburn (406.293.7578) who is fantastic.  In fact, I’ve done it twice.  Dave is first class and the river is uncrowded–maybe we saw two other anglers in a whole days fishing.  Plus the Kootenai is too gorgeous too describe. The Kootenai is a tailwater so even in August it won’t be either too low or too hot.  It’s the oly "blue ribbon" trout stream in this part of Montana. On the way back I fished the Thompson River, which is small and beautiful, on my own. You can fish the Flathead near Kalispell and Whitefish and catch fish but I’m not sure it’s as promising as the Kootenai.  Try Lakestream Fly Shop in Whitefish (406.862.1298). Also, a well-known writer on flyfishing, John Holt, lives in Whitefish. He wriiten a couple books–I think he might talk about some of his local waters in one of them. Good luck. Darren Lew New York, NY

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

Best fishing at end of August will be in the many backcountry lakes. Plenty of water this year, most high lakes will not thaw until August. Many secluded areas, but they entail a little extra work to reach. Those areas in North Boundry Country can be quiet and some along east side.  Tuolumne Meadows is a good base.  Campground reservations call 800 365 2267.  Permits required for backcountry overnight trips, 50% on a first come bases, 50% in advance (March-May31).  Great hikes and fishing within 3-7 miles. Try the following flies: Timberline Emerger, Stimulators,  Chironomid Pupas, Black Matuka, Mini Leech, Bright Butt Woolly Worm.  Rainbows, brooks, browns, and golden trout, up to 14 inches, most smaller. Goldens , if you haven’t seen them, they are the most beautiful in the world.  I’ll be fishing this country myself early August.  Give me a Randall Kaufmann

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: I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in : the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How : about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do : Best fishing at end of August will be in the many backcountry lakes. : Plenty of water this year, most high lakes will not thaw until August. : Many secluded areas, but they entail a little extra work to reach. : Those areas in North Boundry Country can be quiet and some along east : side.  Tuolumne Meadows is a good base.  Campground reservations call : 800 365 2267.  Permits required for backcountry overnight trips, 50% : on a first come bases, 50% in advance (March-May31).  Great hikes and : fishing within 3-7 miles. : Randall Kaufmann Randy and Andy, I will be in the Yosemite backcountry working at the Vogelsang highcamp.  Friends of mine who have worked there in the past say there are some really nice lakes with excellent fishing contrary to the fishing in the valley.  Also, my spies say there is a lake up there that has some beautiful cutthroats.  Most of these lake are sort secret gems tucked away in the cover of the mountains. I would be happy to talk with anyone interested in the Yosemite backcountry.  C&R only.  Maybe we can go fishing together.  I’ll be up there all summer long until middle September. BTW, Mike Tucker, if you are reading this.  Thankyou for the great outfit you set me up with.  It really is the perfect Sierra backcountry trout setup.  Another VERY satisfied customer of Grizzly Creek Trading Company am I.   Regards, George Chan — *George M. Chan                         * "Yea, but bacon tastes good,  * *                                       *                               *

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

I was in Yosemite last August and had mixed feelings.  The senery is spectacular, but the throngs of crowds are hard to take.  I felt like I was still in the city, the only difference, we were robbed by bears instead of people (I think I’d prefer people, more predictable).  Anyway, fishing in that area is tough due to a lack of water in the late summer.  Don’t even think about fishing in the Valley, no water, too many people and probably very few fish. We did manage to fish in the east end of the park.  There are fewer people in that area.  There is a big lake near the pass, just east of the park boundry (can’t rember the name) with good fishing from the bank all around it.  There is also a tiny creek that runs along the road a few miles west of the lake.  We had a blast catching tiny Golden Trout.  They were only about 6" to 8" long but were really hard to fool. Happy Trouting!

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

My advice is to avoid Yosemite Valley in the Summer.  It’s a zoo. There are many other beautiful but lower-key areas of the Sierra Nevada. While I haven’t been there in 5 or 6 years, the Devil’s Postpile/Red’s Meadow area east of Yosemite used to be a less crowded alternative, and the scenery is spectacular.  

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

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