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.. how hard is it to get a hook up in the national forest  ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

  None of the NF campgrounds have power, period. — Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://kendaco.telebyte.com/rlindber/RV

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest can anyone help with any first hand knowledge will be takeing a 30 foot class A   is a dingy necessary ? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise thank you glenn   please send email to

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest can anyone help with any first hand knowledge will be takeing a 30 foot class A   is a dingy necessary ? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

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Im going to go fly fishing in gallatin nat forest

  When? (I’d ask why, since I wouldn’t bother any more) can anyone help with any first hand knowledge

  Yes will be takeing a 30 foot class A   is a dingy necessary ?

  Where are you planning to stay? how hard is it to get a hook up ( my cousines father is 80 and in poor health) i dont want to run a generator and make a lot of noise

  The only place I am recalling with power is the KOA at Bozeman Hotsprings (which also gives you access to the springs pools) —

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I’m a newbie to fishing, but after a dozen or so trips to local lakes, I have found that I get few or no bites on bait or lures when fish are jumping.  I assume the jumping is for insects on the surface, but it’s hard to believe the fish are so selective and coordinated that they switch from one food type to another just like that.  Anyone have similar experience? and any ideas about it??

If they are feeding then why not cast a fly to them? richard

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I’m a newbie to fishing, but after a dozen or so trips to local lakes, I have found that I get few or no bites on bait or lures when fish are jumping.  I assume the jumping is for insects on the surface, but it’s hard to believe the fish are so selective and coordinated that they switch from one food type to another just like that.  Anyone have similar experience? and any ideas about it?? arjay

    Since you are a newbie, don’t believe anything anyone says about this. All you need to know is ….. if the fish don’t bite on your offering yet are obviously feeding ….. change your offering.     Did you know there is a conspiracy to take all of your money.  Oh yes! Tackle manufacturers have been investing in raising and then planting fish that ignore your bait.  If you are hooked on fishing…..you will spend the rest of your life spending huge amounts of money in the never ending attempt to find what the fish like to eat.     Some day you will think you know what it is and you will tell a newbie what to do.  He will embarrass you in front of everybody when he doesn’t catch anything.         Dan in Quebec

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A funny story about trout. I was fishing at the Chatfield Spillway near Denver and saw a whole spillway full of Rainbow Trout surfacing and jumping all over the place. I and three other people broke out our flyrods and used everything we had and didn’t catch anything. A game warden came by and started laughing hysterically at us. I asked him what was up and he said "it was feeding time at the hatchery." These stocker trout "beg" for food at a certain time of the day, depending upon where the sun is in the sky.  They’ll hop out of the water and just hang out.  After being in the water for a while, they stop it, but the first week it annoys the heck out of fisherman. Dan Dow

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Are they jumping out of the water, clearing it.  Those are often carp, and all I can figure is they jump for joy, not feeding!  They do this a lot early in the morning If you are seeing swirls in the water rather than fish clearing it, they are probably feeding on something on the surface.  Try topwater or flies I wrote an article on my site about an experience I had.  Kept seeing fish come to the top at Lake Oconee here in GA.  Could not get them to hit.  One finally came up right at the boat and I saw it – a brown bullhead!    I caught one later on a plastic worm. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com

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I’m a newbie to fishing, but after a dozen or so trips to local lakes, I have found that I get few or no bites on bait or lures when fish are jumping.  I assume the jumping is for insects on the surface, but it’s hard to believe the fish are so selective and coordinated that they switch from one food type to another just like that.  Anyone have similar experience? and any ideas about it?? arjay

–When salmon are jumping and rolling on the surface, you might as well sit back and watch the show.  The biters are on the bottom of the stream or river, not up on top. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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I’m a newbie to fishing, but after a dozen or so trips to local lakes, I have found that I get few or no bites on bait or lures when fish are jumping.  I assume the jumping is for insects on the surface, but it’s hard to believe the fish are so selective and coordinated that they switch from one food type to another just like that.  Anyone have similar experience? and any ideas about it?? arjay

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Hi arjay, It depends.  One area (on a river) where I fish often, the Sturgeon will "go nuts" at about dusk, these are very big fish jumping out of the water like a breaching whale.  The Sturgeon jump typically has no effect on the bite of Catfish, Bass, Walleye and Crappie that are common in the area. On the other hand, if the fish you are fishing for is surfacing and you are fishing worms on the bottom, you are probably in for a long sit.  You would need to target your bait and presentation to the feeding activity of the fish.  One afternoon last week, I was at the spot mentioned above fishing crawlers on the bottom.  Some fish was feeding sporadically on the surface and I was getting no bite.  I threw out a crawler under a float, about 15" below the surface.  The float drifted with the current into the "strike zone" where the mystery fish was surfacing and the float was down.   I was on to a pretty good bass. Jumping alone can only offer you clues.  Anytime the bite is slow, you should change the presentation (possibly many times).  If the change in presentation doesn’t work, you might want to change location. As far as selectivity… could be!  Depends on the fish.  Trout will often be completely selective, but usually not this late in the season.  Next time you get to the lake, bring a grasshopper or attractor fly and a big float. Place the float about 2-3′ above the fly and use the weight on the float to cast. Good Luck! Hope this helps, Fritz

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Yup. He clean missed that one. A classic "whiff" job…

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Dave LaCourse wrote Fiddle Away writes: Well than.  Maybe their’s less diffrince then you think! LOL.  Very good (well?).  You could make two sentences out of it too. "Maybe there’s less diffrince (sic).  *Then* you think.  Naw…..I like your’s betterer.

They’res (sic) a good boy now.  If ur a gwine ta quote me, git the spellin raht! —                                                       -dnc-

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Fiddle Away writes: Well than.  Maybe their’s less diffrince then you think!

LOL.  Very good (well?).  You could make two sentences out of it too.  "Maybe there’s less diffrince (sic).  *Then* you think.  Naw…..I like your’s betterer. Dave L.

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Fiddle Away writes: Well than.  Maybe their’s less diffrince then you think! LOL.  Very good (well?).  You could make two sentences out of it too.  "Maybe there’s less diffrince (sic).  *Then* you think.  Naw…..I like your’s betterer. Dave L.

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actually dedicate their entire lives to fly fishing.  They have Web Sites which can contain vast reservoirs of information.  The simpler the address the more valuable the site can be to either the owner or to those seeking free information.   User friendly is a must in cyber fishing for there is the lure of water in all of mankind.  The lure of owning a proper .com web site can and should reflect that sense of wanting to go a certain direction, to join in on the fun, or to simply gravitate to that which makes one feel at home. Conclave Web Sites can be quickly constructed for a News Group for instance just like FAQ sheets can be readily made available. Yellowstoneflyfishing.com could very well create a magnetic draw worth much in more ways then just money.  The hardest part of being on the internet is supporting and maintaining the computer.  But these sites take time and "TIME" is what we all have little of.  For instance, in our case we are spending hundreds of hours on an ongoing basis, just trying to keep our .com sites up to date and new.  People consume reading matter faster then they use toilet paper.  The appetite for information is nearly like owning a black hole.  No matter how original, no matter how fresh your material is, it is old news within a week.   The skills of most fly fishermen will become more deadly then ever before because of this FLY FISHING Information Waterway!  Where can I go here, or there, because I’m going to be in the area on 28 Jul 00, is answered immediately.  The secret places are becoming less sacred as more and more new rods attack.  Not unlike W.W.II, "Loose Lips Sink Ships," today equates to "Loose Lips, Kills Fish". A news groups such as ROFF and ROFFT are really not as Darwinian as they are self serving.  The old saying, "Familiarity Breeds Contempt," turns friendships into like an old oil slick that slowly spreads and discolors the waters of that same Information Waterway.  The world of .coms takes great disciplines and with a group that is willing to keep an eye on verbal manners with each other, the question slowly becomes to Web Site Owners, why am I beating my brains out to help the Me Now Generation when that same generation doesn’t return basic, common courtesies of speech? Web Sites should be user friendly and most are, but News Groups should not enter those sites and then demean years of hard work that brings joy to tens of thousands of people with a simple demeaning hit of the return key.  We all are judged by our words.  The days of yore were much more user friendly until the college nerds started entering fly fishing without knowing years of our previous history, but that is another story. Marketing is like a balancing act.  If you trip on that high wire, the fall could kill you.  The same goes for News Groups. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/ Latest Updates

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [Blah blah] Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/ Latest Updates I couln’t agree more george. Let’s take your site as an example. You have several addresses all short sweet and related to fly fishing. Yet when you look at the site there really is very little content. However, you freely post you wealth of information on public news groups. Forget about bamboo rods. you’re sitting on a gold mine and you don’t even know it. Spend some time and build your web site. If you build it they will come. All those pairs of eyes and for every pair of eyes that go to your site you can collect advertizing revenues (from complementary products not competing ones).

_______  Thank you for the thoughtful suggestion and advisement. However; David Ion and I are currently doing a massive site update and installing our new SHOPPING CREEL program, which by the way will be available to any other Dealers interested in a clean, e-commerce solution for their web site.  They will also be able to order all site programs we use via the new SHOPPING CREEL.  Per  your exact thoughts, I choose to follow your advice.  FEED ME! Expound more please.  We are kicking butt on a daily basis and we are working until past 0300 AM every day.  We are getting about 5 hours a sleep a day.  Our coding is as good as it can get. Again, thank you Salmon_fly. Mr. G. & I The next thing you know your site’s hit rate will make Amazon’s look like a stale link. Take it public and Gherke will be known in every household in the world. Then the ROFFians can look back and say we knew him when. TImes a wasting get to work. Before you buy.

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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  ;-)  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [Blah blah] Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/ Latest Updates I couln’t agree more george. Let’s take your site as an example. You have several addresses all short sweet and related to fly fishing. Yet when you look at the site there really is very little content. However, you freely post you wealth of information on public news groups. Forget about bamboo rods. you’re sitting on a gold mine and you don’t even know it. Spend some time and build your web site. If you build it they will come. All those pairs of eyes and for every pair of eyes that go to your site you can collect advertizing revenues (from complementary products not competing ones). _______  Thank you for the thoughtful suggestion and advisement. However; David Ion and I are currently doing a massive site update and installing our new SHOPPING CREEL program, which by the way will be available to any other Dealers interested in a clean, e-commerce solution for their web site.  They will also be able to order all site programs we use via the new SHOPPING CREEL.  Per  your exact thoughts, I choose to follow your advice.  FEED ME! Expound more please.  We are kicking butt on a daily basis and we are working until past 0300 AM every day.  We are getting about 5 hours a sleep a day.  Our coding is as good as it can get. Again, thank you Salmon_fly. Mr. G. & I The next thing you know your site’s hit rate will make Amazon’s look like a stale link. Take it public and Gherke will be known in every household in the world. Then the ROFFians can look back and say we knew him when. TImes a wasting get to work. Before you buy.

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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Dave LaCourse wrote Planeties writes: by the way every place you used the word " then " it should have been " than ". LOL.  He has been told that numerous time, Bob.  He doesn’t understand the difference.

Well than.  Maybe their’s less diffrince then you think! —                                                       -dnc-

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muchpreachy drivel snipped. with you george it’s "do as i say and not as i do".by the way every place you used the word " then " it should have been " than ". tick tick tick, Bob Before you buy.

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[Blah blah] Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/ Latest Updates

I couln’t agree more george. Let’s take your site as an example. You have several addresses all short sweet and related to fly fishing. Yet when you look at the site there really is very little content. However, you freely post you wealth of information on public news groups. Forget about bamboo rods. you’re sitting on a gold mine and you don’t even know it. Spend some time and build your web site. If you build it they will come. All those pairs of eyes and for every pair of eyes that go to your site you can collect advertizing revenues (from complementary products not competing ones). The next thing you know your site’s hit rate will make Amazon’s look like a stale link. Take it public and Gherke will be known in every household in the world. Then the ROFFians can look back and say we knew him when. TImes a wasting get to work. Before you buy.

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dot shit ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Planeties writes: by the way every place you used the word " then " it should have been " than ".

LOL.  He has been told that numerous time, Bob.  He doesn’t understand the difference. Dave L.

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dot shit ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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You may want to try The Zig Zag around Rhododendron, and the Salmon River just S. of Hwy 26 for some good trout action, on dry flies, eg size 14-16 elk hair caddis or adams.  Much easier to fish, especially on the Salmon, and lots of trout in the range of 6 to 11 inches.

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Yuf, The Clackamas is a beautiful river to fish.  My friends and I have gone to the Upper Fork and done quite well.  GRHE and Prince Nymph were successful.  We also got about 7-10"ers.  The ones we caught were fun little fighters though. Which made the size kind of non-important.  Close to the bank, I think is the secret of this river, it was also fast where we were fishing it.  There were places where you could fight the trees and shrubs and then there were places where there were lottsa rocks and open.  The fish seemed to bite the best where the trees and branches were, even though it was harder on us! <g Thanks for your report, it sounded like you had fun!! Maybe I’ll get to see you up there some time. Kathy from Beavercreek

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Took yesterday off, and headed into the cascades on the Clackamas highway.  Amazingly, in 70 miles (and fast ones, as the roads to get there are fantastic, once you escape Portland traffic) I was pretty much in midst of the Cascade range.  The Clackamas canyon is very pretty. I fished the Oak Grove Fork of the Clackamas, below Timothy lake. I’d heard it was little fished, and pretty secluded.  It is both, even though I pulled off a nice paved road and walked 40 feet to this roaring stream, a few paces further puts you in what seems like the middle of nowhere.  Not sure how little fished given the camp sites and line strewn about the banks, but there was no one to be seen. What a tough stream to fish!  Cramped quarters, with trees and overhanging vegitation crowding the banks.  Also, it’s very fast, and perhaps high due to a rain (and snow) early this week.  So, for all the watching to avoid snags, and scrambling not to get really wet in really cold water, I did manage to catch a 1/2 dozen tiny coastal cutthroats. What a beautiful fish!  The biggest was probably no more than 7". All were caught on a #14 gold ribbed hare’s ear 5′ below a indicator. Not once did I get a fish due to the indicator – this water was too fast and furious, and they usually hooked themselves. Any hints on how to fish water like this appreciated.  It was truly whitewater.  Perhaps I should just try it when it is lower. Decided after a couple hours that this was way too much work for tiny fish, and drove back along the Clackamas.  Found some open water near a pullout (easy to do here), and enjoyed some relaxing, easy, and fun fishing.  I fished only a couple holes below strong rapids, and consistently got 6-9" rainbows (the Clackamas is stocked above the reservoir) for an hour, on the same hare’s ear, only this time I was seeing the takes with the indicator.  It was a great feeling to finally seem to have a clue.  Probably caught 6 fish in first 15 minutes once I keyed into a nice slot with an easy drift for the nymph.  They seemed spooked from then on, so I continued downriver and caught a few more. Finally, I broke off that productive hare’s ear in the middle of the stream, and decided it was time to go.  Hopped in the car, and was home in 1 hour. Not very big fish, but many of them, and very close to town.  Also, there’s always that chance for a summer steelie . Now I’m considering a 3 or 4wt for this kind of fishing, as they aren’t much fun to fight on a 6wt.  I’ve read that the fish in these streams are rarely as large as 12", and those are only found around the reservoir and above and below the power station.  I considered my 9" rainbow to be a lunker.  I could have left the reel at home. -yuf

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Can anyone give me some tips about fishing the runoff. The rivers up here (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) are pretty murky and fast from the recent rains and snow melt.  I headed out to the Elbow River at the weekend but got nothing. Tried black/olive wooly buggers (to me they looked just like the rest of the debris floating by), GRHE’s and Blace Dace streamers. Not even a nibble. I tied some white and red crystal streamers tonight and may give them a go. I’m thinking that maybe something white will be more visible through the murk. Any and all advice gratefully recieved KB

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In high murky river waters IMHO the best thing you cano do is keep moving and fish the margins.  The fish do not want to expend more energy than they can get from a meal.  The fast water causes them to expend too much energy so they snuggle up to obtructions – boulders, river bends, undercut banks, sand bars, downed logs.  They usually won’t move far so you have to practically hit them in the nose with the fly.  The good news is stealth is usually not an issue since their ability to perceive in murky water is limited.  I have found had some good success with large terrestrial insect patterns in high murky, summer water. Grasshoppers, beetles, bees, or imitations of large aquatics such as Royal Coachman, Humpies, Goddard Caddis and Elk Hair Caddis, fished dry, have produced some great days when the water seemed just too high, too fast, and too colored. As far as nymphs are concerned, high water dislodges tons of the suckers.  I believe the best patterns to use in these water conditions are suggestive of life, rather than exact imitations.  A furry Hare’s Ear, Beadhead Prince, and Weighted Stonefly are three of my favorites. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone give me some tips about fishing the runoff. The rivers up here (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) are pretty murky and fast from the recent rains and snow melt.  I headed out to the Elbow River at the weekend but got nothing. Tried black/olive wooly buggers (to me they looked just like the rest of the debris floating by), GRHE’s and Blace Dace streamers. Not even a nibble. I tied some white and red crystal streamers tonight and may give them a go. I’m thinking that maybe something white will be more visible through the murk. Any and all advice gratefully recieved KB

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You don’t need a video to tell you that if the lines breaking you need a higher wt line.  When guides say to you "there’s no way you need more than a 4lb tippet on that river" what they really mean is that IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF you had the shuttle, boat and knowledge of where the holes were, that even though the current was raging back at the public fishing area you could fish 2-4lb leader in the deep wide holes they fish.  They don’t know that you need a 10lb leader back where the currents raging and the fish can get out sideways in it.  So when they tell you there’s no way you need anything bigger than a 5.1lb tippet (or whatever they claim is the max wt used by "real fishermen")

Unless one has no ability at all to play a fish properly, he will certainly land more fish on a heavier tippet.   At the same time, it is certainly possible to successfully land a big fish on a very light tippet.   On the Salmon River, though, (and anywhere for that matter) you need to balance more than just landing a fish against tippet strength.   If you play a fish for 45 minutes on a 4 lb tippet, everyone around you has to keep their lines out of the water and thumbs up their asses while you have a good time all by yourself.   And when you have it on the beach, it will be dead beat and no candidate for c&r if you are so inclined.   On the other hand, boy was that fun. If you tie on a big heavy tippet, you’ll be able to put a lot more pressure on the fish and get it to the beach more quickly.   Go too far in this direction, however, and you may as well be one of the brainless meat fishermen spin casting with 30 lb mono to haul ‘em in. For me, a guy of below average ability, I’ve found 8 or 10 lb to be quite sufficient on the Salmon R. to give me a good balance of sport, success, and courtesy.   I will add that if you are breaking off a lot, be sure it’s not your knots.

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You don’t need a video to tell you that if the lines breaking you need a higher wt line.  When guides say to you "there’s no way you need more than a 4lb tippet on that river" what they really mean is that IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF you had the shuttle, boat and knowledge of where the holes were, that even though the current was raging back at the public fishing area you could fish 2-4lb leader in the deep wide holes they fish.  They don’t know that you need a 10lb leader back where the currents raging and the fish can get out sideways in it.  So when they tell you there’s no way you need anything bigger than a 5.1lb tippet (or whatever they claim is the max wt used by "real fishermen") Tie your own tappered leaders.  I was reading in a book on al fly fishing just the other nite that the author reccomends making your tappered leader from 40, 30, 20 and 18in of material of 25, 20, 15, and 10lb line respectively.  Good luck, I hope this has been some help. Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

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You don’t need a video to tell you that if the lines breaking you need a higher wt line.  When guides say to you "there’s no way you need more than a 4lb tippet on that river" what they really mean

<snip Amen. I have used a short (7 ft) 10 or 12 lb tippet on my sink tip, and a 12 ft 8 lb tippet for salmon and steelhead for years. Yep, I lose some still, but I have caught (and released) more than 150 salmon this fall alone.

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I just got Flies for Steelhead by Farrow Allen and Dick Stewart from Lyons Press (~$20 softcover). The photography is quite good and it has a thorough collection of patterns from different regions of the country. The flies in the photos are tied either by the inventor of the pattern or by a well known tyer from the region of origin.  Great Lakes Steelhead – A Guided Tour for Fly Anglers from Back Country Press ($20) is a great book by Bob Linsenmann and Steve Nevala (fun reading).  There is a brief but very practical sections on techniques, equipment, etc in the beginning. The rest of the book is a collection of essays collected from these guys going fishing with a number of guides in their home waters.  Fly Fishing for Salmon and Steelhead of the Great Lakes by Ken Filkins ($17 Wilderness Books – hard to find but available on www.amazon.com).  This book mostly emphasizes chuck and duck type fishing but has a really good section on fish attitudes towards different types of flies & presentations thus explaining (or at least stating) why many west coast techniques are only effective during a short period of the steelhead’s migration into midwestern tributaries.  I’ve been using a Scientific Anglers System 2m 8/9.  It’s a reasonably inexpensive and very reliable disc drag reel.  The regular System 2 is quite heavy but I don’t know if the 2m is still in production.  As far as a rod is concerned I bought myself the cheapest one I could find, a St. Croix 9ft 9 weight Pro-Graphite.  With all the brush I run through, the slippery rocks, ice, hands made numb and clumsy by the bitter chill, I wouldn’t want to risk damaging an expensive stick.  Just letting you know what has worked well for me.  I don’t have the experience nor the moeny to really tell you what other options are available to you. Good Fishing.    Mu Young Lee         Ann Arbor, MI  o             oooo                          o   o   o o   o o o  o – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

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Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

It seems to be normal to break off 3 fish in this sort of fishing: but not normal to break off 100 per cent of hookups. The range of tackle is from medium (say 6 weight rod with 2x or 6 lb. tippets) to strong (8 or 9 weight, tippets 0X or 12 lb.) This river is sufficiently free of obstructions that you can fish the lighter tackle — provided you have a first-class reel, because its drag is important.  (Heavier tackle is useful in smaller Michigan or Ontario steelhead rivers.) Winter freshwater salmon and steelhead seem not to be leader shy.  They may or may not avoid sideways drag: but the essential point is to be able to present the fly as deep as the fish’s holding depth, whatever that is.  I have known people to make special sinking leaders (coated with powdered led embedded in glue) for this purpose. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Fished the Salmon River in Pulaski, New York with a fly rod this week and found the experience to be quite different from that of dry fly fishing.  I hooked and broke off three fish and would like any recommendations on:  books/videos relate to this type of fishing, recs on a good entry level rod and reel for

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?   Clinchknot

 probably not. — Marty Silva P.E.T.A (People for the Ethical Termination of Antihunters) If people aren’t supposed to eat animals… then why are they made out of meat.

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?    Clinchknot

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?  

You may be fishing for the wrong fish. I won’t say that fish are particularly intelligent. But they do have a will to survive and thousands of years of genetic development to perpetuate their species. You may just be so successful that you have outgrown the resource and need to pick another diversion. You must be one awesome fishermen with several line records as well. If I were to call fish ‘dumb’ it would be a slam to myself as they regularly elude me somehow. Maybe I miss the pointof your question and it is more rhetorical. Are you by chance reflecting on the fact the EVEN THOUGH fish are dumb, you still have fun catching them. That I can not explain. Maybe a 12 step program would be helpful. I for one am not near ready to give it up. regards, J. Webb Atlanta Mac User Group

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? You may be fishing for the wrong fish. I won’t say that fish are particularly intelligent. But they do have a will to survive and thousands of years of genetic development to perpetuate their species. You may just be so successful that you have outgrown the resource and need to pick another diversion. You must be one awesome fishermen with several line records as well. If I were to call fish ‘dumb’ it would be a slam to myself as they regularly elude me somehow. Maybe I miss the pointof your question and it is more rhetorical. Are you by chance reflecting on the fact the EVEN THOUGH fish are dumb, you still have fun catching them. That I can not explain. Maybe a 12 step program would be helpful. I for one am not near ready to give it up.

I know that this is a flyfishing newsgroup but I can still recognize trolling when see it. John Fereira

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?   Clinchknot

‘Cause I haven’t got  a prayer in hell of trickin’ the smart ones:)

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?    Clinchknot         No.  Just can’t do it.  You either like it or you don’t.  It must be genetic.  You sound a little put off by such silly, trite behavior.  Get over it.  Nice troll. JE

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? Clinchknot

I’m A Frayed Knot. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Very clever Moe. — Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? Clinchknot I’m A Frayed Knot. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon. THANKS-SO-MUCH!!!!!! Ron

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon.

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon. THANKS-SO-MUCH!!!!!!

For this region you should read Brian Chan’s  Stillwater flyfishing strategies from Frank Amato pubs.  He describes the bugs and life and flies and retrieves for each. Here’s my contribution: A large part of the trout diet in the rich alkaline lakes of the eastern slopes is made up of scuds (gammarus) and midges (chironomids).  I tie small nymphs entirely of maribou – I think the maribou moves well in the water on very slow retrieves. I can fish them on a sink line near the bottom to imitate the scuds with a few quick strips then stop for a few seconds.  Or I can imitate the chironomids nymphs by using a floating line and long leader, letting the fly sink well down then using a very slow twitch retrieve so the fly is moving up towards the surface. Vinnie Fluffy: Tail – 5-10 maribou ends. Body – same 5-10 maribou fibers, twisted together then wrapped up the shank as you would wool or dubbing. The fibers should make a soft fuzzy tapered body. Hackle/collar – optional – collar of peacock herl or maribou tips tied in. Try olive, brown, orange, grey or black. Prince Nymphs, Pheasant tails, and hare’s ears in sizes 12-18 all work well for me in these waters. Leechs are also very effective in east side lakes, best fished SLOWLY on intermediate lines.  This is a whole ‘nother science that I don’t have time to expound on now.  If you have the money you would learn priceless knowledge and guarantee future success by hiring guides Jay Fair of Susanville CA or Denny Richards of Klamath Falls OR for their advanced stillwater flies and techniques. BTW, try to resist the temptation to use less than 5 lb.tippet; you’ll regret it.  Point the rod straight down the line so you can really feel it directly and keep your drag loose. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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I am a begining fly fisherman and I am going to be working in canon city, co for the summer. I will be there from May 15- August 15. I would appreciate any suggestions on good places to fish, shops for flys, and approximate times of good hatches. In other words any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance. Paul

You’ll be living right by the headwaters of the Arkansas River, which has some decent trout (so I’ve heard, haven’t gotten down there yet). Also, you won’t be too far from the South Platte, which is pretty famous for awesome catch & release only, artificial flies & lures (barbless hooks) only fishing. The South Platte will be about 1.5 to 2 hours drive from Canon City, either north into Colorado Springs and then West on route 24 to Woodland Park, and north on route 67 to Deckers, or continue through Woodland Park to Lake George, and go up Elevenmile Canyon road (3 dollar access fee you pay at a self-serve station), to the river. I’m still new at the insect hatches, so can’t give you anything of value in that area. Pick up a copy of the Colorado Angling Guide when you get here, or before if you can find it. It’s got a nice collection of Forest Service maps of the areas. As for shops, I know the Angler’s Covey on 8th and West Colorado Ave in Colorado Springs is a great place for fly fishing supplies and advice, although you should be able to find something in Canon City as well, use the yellow pages. — Scott Ferguson                               My views are not necessarily Cray Computer Corporation                    those of Cray Computer Corp.

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I am a begining fly fisherman and I am going to be working in canon city, co for the summer. I will be there from May 15- August 15. I would appreciate any suggestions on good places to fish, shops for flys, and approximate times of good hatches. In other words any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance. Paul

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