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Hey Bob, you ever fish at Montauk? Wolfgang

Absotively. My one and hopefully only experience with a flash flood was at Montauk. For those who are unfamiliar with it, Montauk is a Missouri state trout park. A very small stream runs into it, and then is joined by the outflow from a large spring, thereby creating the headwater of the Current River, a National Scenic River. The Current really is a beautiful stream. One rainy day I was standing in a pool at the confluence of the spring and the stream when I suddenly felt the water becoming warm. I hadn’t had much beer recently, so I knew it warn’t my fault. Then I saw a few leaves and debris in the water, which I attributed to kids playing upstream. When the water began to visibly rise, it finally registered in my brain that it was raining upstream. By the time I moved fifteen feet from the pool to the bank the water had risen from waist deep to shoulder deep, and was still rising. It was not just the cold that had my legs trembling. It was truly a frightening experience. Montauk is heavily stocked. But I have the honor of having been skunked there. Haven’t been in several years, but it’s a marvelous place for new fly fishers and for kids. Bob

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Since I just got my first digital camera (Olympus D-40), I use this opportunity to compare it with my old Minolta XG-1.  Got the scanner now, so can put in pics from either. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Bob, you ever fish at Montauk? Wolfgang Absotively. My one and hopefully only experience with a flash flood was at Montauk. For those who are unfamiliar with it, Montauk is a Missouri state trout park. A very small stream runs into it, and then is joined by the outflow from a large spring, thereby creating the headwater of the Current River, a National Scenic River. The Current really is a beautiful stream. One rainy day I was standing in a pool at the confluence of the spring and the stream when I suddenly felt the water becoming warm. I hadn’t had much beer recently, so I knew it warn’t my fault. Then I saw a few leaves and debris in the water, which I attributed to kids playing upstream. When the water began to visibly rise, it finally registered in my brain that it was raining upstream. By the time I moved fifteen feet from the pool to the bank the water had risen from waist deep to shoulder deep, and was still rising. It was not just the cold that had my legs trembling. It was truly a frightening experience. Montauk is heavily stocked. But I have the honor of having been skunked there. Haven’t been in several years, but it’s a marvelous place for new fly fishers and for kids.

I fished there several times when I was living in Black about eleven years ago.  As far as I recall, I never caught a fish.  At that time, I fished dries exclusively (these days I enjoy fishing streamers and will, occasionally, fish nymphs when pressed) and I believe every dry fly purist I saw there suffered the same fate as I; only nymphers caught fish on flies.  Much of the park was open to bait fishers, but some of the water was reserved for flies only.  The rangers used to sit up on the hill with binoculars in this stretch, and every once in while they would rush down to bust some idiot. I remember that in addition to having to purchase a fishing license, fishing within the park required having a daily tag.  For each tag sold, the hatchery managers would release three new fish on the following day.  The daily creel limit was three fish.  Naturally, not everyone caught and kept the legal limit….in fact, MOST did not.  One is left to suppose that the excess fish somehow found their way out of the park and met their fate elsewhere.  Vending machines (the kind where you stick a quarter in the slot and turn the handle) lined the rearing ponds at every ten yards or so.  Tourists were more than willing to pay a quarter to get a handful of trout pellets and cast them upon the waters to watch the fish go into a frenzy.  I suspect that the managers never had to feed the fish.  The fish, for their part, were generally not inclined to eat anything that looked like a bug. Beautiful, clear and presumably nearly sterile water water within the park.  Well, probably not sterile (I THINK there was a lot of limestone in the area), but near enough to the spring that there was little plant life evident and whatever bugs lived there were probably quickly snatched up by the few fish that remained alive and in the park long enough to figure out that not all food was pellet shaped. Altogether, a pretty weird fishing experience but a lovely place nonetheless.  NC, as you will see if you haven’t already, is a whole ‘nother thang.      :) Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now that the thesis is done, it’s time to do something with my long ignored site.  Over the next couple of months I’ll be using existing <snip Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html Peter,  What an outstanding collection of pictures and knowledge!  My education in streamer fishing just jumped from first grade to at least 7th or 8th.  I’ll be giving streamer fishing more of a chance than I have in the past. (Thank goodness for wireless internet.  With my old, slow dial up connection, I never would have looked at your site or any other with lots of pictures as it was just too painful to wait while even one picture loaded Snoop

Pleased that it was of some use. Hopefully by the late fall, I’ll have updated most sections as it’s become dated.  And yes, it’s designed with high speed access in mind. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Now that the thesis is done, it’s time to do something with my long ignored site.  Over the next couple of months I’ll be using existing <snip Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

Peter,   What an outstanding collection of pictures and knowledge!  My education in streamer fishing just jumped from first grade to at least 7th or 8th.  I’ll be giving streamer fishing more of a chance than I have in the past. (Thank goodness for wireless internet.  With my old, slow dial up connection, I never would have looked at your site or any other with lots of pictures as it was just too painful to wait while even one picture loaded Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec? Here are a few pix of a tributary of the Meramec River in Missouri named Blue Spring Creek. It’s a tiny little wild trout stream, and I’ve gotten to know it pretty well over the last ten years or so. It’s perfect for my Sage LL 7′9" 3-weight. Even did some electro-shock sampling there with the department of conservation people a few years ago, and was astonished at what we found. The fish shown in the last image below is a typical but a bit large BSC rainbow. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-1.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-oct-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-Rainbow-1.jpg

Those look very nice indeed – is this a spring creek? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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indeed – is this a spring creek? Peter

Thanks. I’m glad you liked them. Yes, this is a spring creek. We have some very large springs – like, the size of houses. Blue Springs Creek is the outflow from several relatively small springs in very close proximity to each other. I’ve caught some fairly large (15 – 18 inches) trout there out of pools smaller than a desk. History trivia: Theodore Roosevelt once fished it. If it’s good enough for a Bullmoose it’s good enough for me! Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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indeed – is this a spring creek? Peter Thanks. I’m glad you liked them. Yes, this is a spring creek. We have some very large springs – like, the size of houses. Blue Springs Creek is the outflow from several relatively small springs in very close proximity to each other. I’ve caught some fairly large (15 – 18 inches) trout there out of pools smaller than a desk. History trivia: Theodore Roosevelt once fished it. If it’s good enough for a Bullmoose it’s good enough for me!

Hey Bob, you ever fish at Montauk? Wolfgang

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Now that the thesis is done, it’s time to do something with my long ignored site.  Over the next couple of months I’ll be using existing photos of the rivers I’ve fished to put together essays on each one. They certainly won’t be shining examples of photographic art, merely representations of different aspects of the river and it’s species. It’s just a means of putting up a gallery in a thematic way. I’d be very pleased to also put up other people’s river essays. (With appropriate credit, of course.)   All that’s required is a few photos and a caption for each one. Digital photos happily accepted.  Fine art B&W also.  :) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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//snip// I’d be very pleased to also put up other people’s river essays. (With appropriate credit, of course.)   All that’s required is a few photos and a caption for each one. Digital photos happily accepted.  Fine art B&W also.  :)

Peter – I enjoyed your photos of the Nith. It would be great to see pictures of the rivers haunted by some of the folks around here. Here are some of mine. Use them, or not, as you see fit. This is a photo of the Meramec River in east central Missouri, near the town of Rosati. This location is below a bluff we call "Suicide Hill. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/Meramec-SH.jpg This is the same river from the top of the bluff: http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/View.JPG If these work OK I have a few more of a different stream I’d be happy to send. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter – I enjoyed your photos of the Nith. It would be great to see pictures of the rivers haunted by some of the folks around here. Here are some of mine. Use them, or not, as you see fit. This is a photo of the Meramec River in east central Missouri, near the town of Rosati. This location is below a bluff we call "Suicide Hill. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/Meramec-SH.jpg This is the same river from the top of the bluff: http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/View.JPG If these work OK I have a few more of a different stream I’d be happy to send. Bob

Thanks Bob, If you have a couple more of the Meramec, that’ll be great.  I would hope to have a few dozen rivers eventually, each with a little story – location, species, etc. and something that makes the river unique or special.  I’m presently assembling and scanning photos for the Grand and I should have that up in a few days.  On top of what people send me, I intent is to have the Grand, Credit, Saugeen, Whitemans, Bronte, the Rapid and if I have enough photos, both AuSables and the Muskegon.   Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter – I enjoyed your photos of the Nith. It would be great to see pictures of the rivers haunted by some of the folks around here. Here are some of mine. Use them, or not, as you see fit. This is a photo of the Meramec River in east central Missouri, near the town of Rosati. This location is below a bluff we call "Suicide Hill. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/Meramec-SH.jpg This is the same river from the top of the bluff: http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/View.JPG If these work OK I have a few more of a different stream I’d be happy to send. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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//snip If you have a couple more of the Meramec, that’ll be great.  I would hope to have a few dozen rivers eventually, each with a little story – location, species, etc. and something that makes the river unique or special.  I’m presently assembling and scanning photos for the Grand and I should have that up in a few days.  On top of what people send me, I intent is to have the Grand, Credit, Saugeen, Whitemans, Bronte, the Rapid and if I have enough photos, both AuSables and the Muskegon.

OK – let me see what I can figure out. The Meramec is not Missouri’s best trout stream, but it can be fairly photogenic in places. More later. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec? jeff

OK. As soon as I figure out how to keep from posting a ten meg graphics file. Yes. There are wild rainbows in the Meramec. It also has a population of browns, but since browns don’t reproduce in Missouri they are mostly holdovers. The department of conservation stocks browns and rainbows annually in the Meramec, but there are other streams that have not been stocked in years. Most of the wild trout in MO were brought here from California by railroaders a hundred years ago. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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post more, please.  are there trout in the meramec?

Here are a few pix of a tributary of the Meramec River in Missouri named Blue Spring Creek. It’s a tiny little wild trout stream, and I’ve gotten to know it pretty well over the last ten years or so. It’s perfect for my Sage LL 7′9" 3-weight. Even did some electro-shock sampling there with the department of conservation people a few years ago, and was astonished at what we found. The fish shown in the last image below is a typical but a bit large BSC rainbow. http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-1.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-oct-2.jpg http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/BSC-Rainbow-1.jpg — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Alaska River Adventures ( George Heim out of Kenai) is a great operation with a website http://www.alaskariveradv.com/. Katmai Fishing Adventures (Nanci Morris) runs flyfishing trips out of Bristol Bay area but fishes S. Alaska frequently. Katmai is at 907 246 8322 (sorry no web address yet except through http://www.worldangler.com/nmorakad.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Contact The Alaska Expidition Co.  1-800-572-0980 or 903-463-7112.  They have a lodge on the Tsiu river and September is a good time to go.  Lots of silvers, few bears.   Look and the latest fly-fisherman mag.    Scott Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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You might look into Alaska Rainbow Adventures for a float trip. Web site at  http://www.akrainbow.com. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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        Contact The Alaska Expidition Co.  1-800-572-0980 or 903-463-7112.  They have a lodge on the Tsiu river and September is a good time to go.  Lots of silvers, few bears.   Look and the latest fly-fisherman mag.         Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gang, Been gone for a while but had nothing but great advice from this newsgroup in the past. I got the nod for an Alaska fishing adventure this Summer around the first of September.  I’d do either a float trip or lodge in the panhandle around Ketchican or Juneau…I’d like some wilderness maby float plane jet boat or raft and lots of wild salmon and trout. Less bears is better but this is Alaska…what can you do. Can anyone suggest a friendly lodge on the budget side that can give you the flyfish trip of a lifetime? Thanks, -John

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Phew. Good story. How about more of this? Who out there among us has ever written a story for publication, only to have it rejected by some pip-squeek assistant editor? Why not publish yourself on the web? right here? This beats the hell out of C&R pissing. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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Why not publish yourself on the web? right here?

What, and give away blood, sweat & tears FOR FREE ? My literary agent would have a coronary. — Ken Fortenberry

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‘There’s nothing like making a definitive stement on the net to provehow wrong you are’

Too true, too true!

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Seemingly oblivious to the arcane machinations and unexplainable antics of a veritable host of erstwhile anglers, walkers, canoers, frustrated lovers, and usually inebriated potential suicides on the bridge above, the large and reputedly ancient trout lay just below the second brick foundation of the first bridge arch.  According to local folklore he weighed in excess of ten pounds, but he was apparently oblivious of his fame as well.   He rose occasionally and slurped a particularly inviting morsel from the calm lane at the side of the fast water caused by the water rushing through the narrows of the arch.

(remarkable story snipped) Allright, then, Mike, would it be true? Which part did you play? Mark Faulkner

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(remarkable story snipped) Allright, then, Mike, would it be true? Which part did you play? Mark Faulkner

Perfectly true, I know, I was that trout ! TL MC

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Damn bait fisherman!  We need more bartenders like that around all trout streams! Warren

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Seemingly oblivious to the arcane machinations and unexplainable antics of a veritable host of erstwhile anglers, walkers, canoers, frustrated lovers, and usually inebriated potential suicides on the bridge above, the large and reputedly ancient trout lay just below the second brick foundation of the first bridge arch.  According to local folklore he weighed in excess of ten pounds, but he was apparently oblivious of his fame as well.   He rose occasionally and slurped a particularly inviting morsel from the calm lane at the side of the fast water caused by the water rushing through the narrows of the arch. If some of the local worthies were to be believed he had been doing this every summer for the last ten years. Experts and tyros, men of letters, small boys with worms,  although the water was fly only, and even lowly poachers,  had all attempted the difficult cast at one time or another over the years, some even successfully, the jaw of the fish was laced with white scars easily visible in the clear water, testimony to the "barbs and arrows of outrageous fortune" to which he had been subjected and which he now bore with seeming nonchalance, perhaps even truculent pride. A hard won but most excellent education.  In the "Stag

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I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

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Jimmy Buffett used to live in Aspen and may still have a place there.  I think he moved there after his time in Key West.  He wanted to be around guys who liked girls. DP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

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: Jimmy Buffett used to live in Aspen and may still have a place there.  I : think he moved there after his time in Key West.  He wanted to be around : guys who liked girls. Thanks for keeping us posted. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Scott, Only stories I know of Jimmy are shrimping, jubilees, mullet in Mobile bay, and drinks at Judge Roy Bean’s. -Adam

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I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

Hi Scott, I was fishing in the Keys about 10 years ago fishing with a friend, Steve Chapell, who lives on Marathon Key. One evening he showed me a poor video copy of a movie that was made by a group of Key West fly fishers? He said a prince from Spain?, Guy Valdeen(sp) was partly responsible for the short film. Jimmy did the sound tack for the movie. It showed fly fishers casting to tarpon with beautiful music and then would it would switch to wild music with a party boat. The deck was covered with blood from killing fish. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Jimmy used to hang around with Harrison, McGuane, Fonda and that bunch in the keys and in Livingston, Mt.  I’m sure he has been exposed to both fresh and saltwater flyfishing.  He also reportedly has the quail bug. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin) Scott Wilkinson Quasi-Parrothead

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I just noticed in his new book, "A Pirate Looks At Fifty," that Jimmy Buffett seems to be an avid flyfisherman. Anyone know any good stories about Jimmy and flyfishing? Is he strictly a saltwater fisherman? Or does he ever go after trout? (The mountains don’t seem to be his style!) Better yet…has anyone ever tried to go fishing with him? (We flyfishermen might be able to get a little closer to him than the ordinary Parrothead! <grin)

Not sure about Jimmy Buffet and Flyfishing but I’ve also heard that Marilyn Manson is an avid angler.  Anyone know whether Marilyn is into flyfishing? Anyone care to post any amusing anecdotes concerning Marilyn and fish? Thanks.

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Never heard of Marilyn Mason – where does she live?

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Not sure about Jimmy Buffet and Flyfishing but I’ve also heard that Marilyn Manson is an avid angler.  Anyone know whether Marilyn is into flyfishing? Anyone care to post any amusing anecdotes concerning Marilyn and fish?

What, he bites the heads off the trout? -Marcus

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Never heard of Marilyn Mason – where does she live?

*HE* is a shock rocker.  Very wierd looking, angry music, etc etc.  The teenagers adore him. check out http://www.marilyn-manson.net/  for scary pictures and stuff.

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Never heard of Marilyn Mason – where does she live?

He dwells in your worst nightmares….

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My worst nightmare is about many raising fish and the wrong fly!!

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If I need to see something scary, I check out my mirror (especially in the early AM.)

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*HE* is a shock rocker.  Very wierd looking, angry music, etc etc.  The teenagers adore him. check out http://www.marilyn-manson.net/  for scary pictures and stuff.

I’ve heard this freak was a nerdy kid on some TV show that was modestly popular 6 or 7 years ago.  As for checking out a site about this geek…think I’d rather step on a nail. Patrick

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I heard that Jimmy has a place out in the hamptons in LI, NY and owns a 20′ Hewes flats boat!! He flyfishes for stripers and everything! Capt. Paul

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I’ve seen a picture of Buffett standing on a partially sunken (and rusted out ship) with what appears to be a fly rod with yellow fly line in his hand. I think this picture is on the box set…….

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In his book, "In Search of Joe Merchant" he talks about flyfishing for bonefish.  Believe that he did also inthe book "Margaritaville". Herb

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I heard that Jimmy has a place out in the hamptons in LI, NY and owns a 20′ Hewes flats boat!! He flyfishes for stripers and everything! Capt. Paul

In his book that just came out, "A Pirate Looks at Fifty", he talks about flyfishing a lot.  The guy’s a fanatic!!  He even went flyfishing in Costa Rica (for blue marlin!).

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: What about Rain-X.  It is basically Silicon based with alcohol.  It works : on winshields and I have seen it use on film projectors for similar purposes : "slickening", etc.  It doesn’t hurt the estar of the films so it might not effect : the fly line.  Any thoughts? It’s your flyline. Go ahead and try it out!  I don’t think it would be a good idea for this product. There are just too many flyline dressings out there for a similar cost. Jon Porter

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Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???) Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons..

OK.  2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes.       Gene

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Re: armor all. I have used it for ten years and it is terrific. It still is. I havent noticed any formula change. Its especially great because its so easy to appy, so you can do it streamside if your line starts to get water logged. GREAT STUFF, and 1/4 the price of commercial dressings, some of which are decidedly "armor all-like". Dale Owens

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides…

As I recall, Armor-all is petroleum based? Read the label. If you wouldn’t douse your fly line in gasoline to clean it, don’t use it. -David Buschhorn

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Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons.. OK.  2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes.

I agree Gene. I posted that I used Armorall a couple of days ago and got a couple flames from the eco-correct crowd. I suppose they all ride their bicycles to get to their fishing holes. And I’m sure none of them use lead split shot, right? Dale

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As I recall, Armor-all is petroleum based? Read the label. If you wouldn’t douse your fly line in gasoline to clean it, don’t use it.

Uh, gee, come to think of it, your fly line is "petroleum based" too. I don’t use armor-all on my fly line for the same reason I don’t use it on my car interior.  It makes it look great for a few days, after which it dries out and looks worse than it did in the first place. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons.. OK.  2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes. I agree Gene. I posted that I used Armorall a couple of days ago and got a couple flames from the eco-correct crowd. I suppose they all ride their bicycles to get to their fishing holes. And I’m sure none of them use lead split shot, right? Dale

        well, dale and gene, add the voice of this southern liberal to your chorus of amazement:  how can these people be real.  the  enemy is their republican congressman, not someone who uses amorall on their fly line, auto, hat, or ass.         a. wayne harrison

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL

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 Armor-all as a flyline dressing? No, Frank, not yet, but I use it on my rods.  It prevents  the ‘grabbing & dragging’ of mono in the rain and seems to improve casting accuracy. Grant

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: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it : would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… This stuff is very effective as a flyline dressing. The product is a plasticizer, which is good a filling in minor cracks and scuffing on the line. It also does lube the line and make it very slippery. If you have never dressed the line before, you will see an increase in your casting distance. The line may float higher too. : (may not be too environmental-friendly though) The trick here is to buff off the excess with a clean, dry rag. When I apply the stuff to my lines, I use two coats for the first time. Let it dry, and then run it through a rag. This will remove the excess that you would otherwise see as an "oil slick" on the surface of the water. Jon Porter –If you are concerned about enviromentally friendly fishing, try products put out by Loon Outdoors. All their stuff is  earth friendly!

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Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???)

Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons….. "What is 1 gram going to hurt ?" DuPont and Co. 1976 -Dan-

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Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???) Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons….. -Dan-

Then divide it by 10 million miles of stream dispersing that product and factor it by the amount of gasoline you burn getting to your favorite fishing hole to see that theatrics are not a productive use of your time. Charley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Frank Hinson) writes: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… Used to be good for fly lines, but they changed their formula a number of years ago and you don’t want to use it on your lines now.  They will work great for a short while but will crack prematurely.  With the new coatings on the lines and the new formula for Armour-all, l the plasticisers (which keep the line supple) are prematurely released out of the pvc coating causing cracks and deteriation.  Leeches the life out of your lines. "303 Protectant" is a similar product that will keep your lines slippery longer by adding plasticisers to the coatings instead of leaching them out.  You can get it by the bottle at auto parts places or in single use pads from Orvis.                                                              Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

What about Rain-X.  It is basically Silicon based with alcohol.  It works on winshields and I have seen it use on film projectors for similar purposes "slickening", etc.  It doesn’t hurt the estar of the films so it might not effect the fly line.  Any thoughts?

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(Frank Hinson) writes: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides…

Used to be good for fly lines, but they changed their formula a number of years ago and you don’t want to use it on your lines now.  They will work great for a short while but will crack prematurely.  With the new coatings on the lines and the new formula for Armour-all, l the plasticisers (which keep the line supple) are prematurely released out of the pvc coating causing cracks and deteriation.  Leeches the life out of your lines. "303 Protectant" is a similar product that will keep your lines slippery longer by adding plasticisers to the coatings instead of leaching them out.  You can get it by the bottle at auto parts places or in single use pads from Orvis.                                                               Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL I think the guides in Florida have been using Armor-all for over 20 years. I have never tried it. I understand that armour all used to be a very popular line cleaner and dressing, however, they have apparently changed their formulation and the new stuff cause fly lines to leach.  It is best if you od not use it. Ian Scott Wishbone Custom Rods http://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone

William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though)

Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???)       Gene

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL

I understand that armour all used to be a very popular line cleaner and dressing, however, they have apparently changed their formulation and the new stuff cause fly lines to leach.  It is best if you od not use it. Ian Scott Wishbone Custom Rods http://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone

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I am fishing a small lake for brookies in Hawkes Bay in the next week. The only information that I have is that they are there, and in patches. No one seems to fish there much. Does anyone have any ideas that work in small lakes elsewhere in the world? Simon

Brookies attempt spawn in the fall.  Fish the shallows or if the lake has inlet stream at mouth.  Bright flies work well as well as black leaches. Don’t be afraid to try blood worm or chironomid larva imitations as the blood worm migrates from shallows to deeper water in the fall.  At Henry’s lake bright crystal buggers and sparce crystal bodied flies do great.  

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My experience with brookies in lakes generally varies with lake location and time of year.   When fishing the Cypress Hills lakes in southeastern Alberta, I have the most luck fishing deep (right off the bottom) and slow using a black or very dark green nymph pattern.  I generally use a dragonfly pattern in a size 8 to 10 hook. I have often seen these insects in shallow water along the shore. From a belly boat, I can slowly troll my line from shallow to the deepest water. My luck increases if I regularly twitch the line with my fingers.  When I connect, the fish strike hard and put up an amazingly good fight.  Trout sizes generally range from 10 to sixteen inches in length. I generally have very poor luck trying to take the brookies off the surface of the lake with a dry fly. Hope this helps. — David J. Wormsbecker, Regina, Saskatchewan Ph/Fax: (306) 789-4024

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: I`m looking for free stretches of River that I can `fish a fly` : around the Hampshire area of England. Tried Woodmill, Southampton : but no Trout rising. Perhaps I will try to build a U.K. database : if there is enough interest? : Cheers. I imagine it’s highly unlikely you will find any free fly fishing in the UK, let alone in Hampshire. There may be the odd municipal stretch, though it probably would not be worthwhile. Still, if you discover any do let me know. Nigel — Sussex University, England

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I`m looking for free stretches of River that I can `fish a fly` around the Hampshire area of England. Tried Woodmill, Southampton but no Trout rising. Perhaps I will try to build a U.K. database if there is enough interest? Cheers. —                    Clivey

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I am afraid my original comment might have gotten lost in the lengthy follow up to the Newt Gingrich and the Flyfisherman post. So again, this is for those involved in the original post, or at least those that didn’t know when to quit. Go away. When you are ready to discuss flyfishing, come back. — gp

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I am afraid my original comment might have gotten lost in the lengthy follow up to the Newt Gingrich and the Flyfisherman post. So again, this is for those involved in the original post, or at least those that didn’t know when to quit. Go away. When you are ready to discuss flyfishing, come back.

I find this a strange complaint from one who only 20 minutes earlier contributed to the thread about Newt and the Flyfisherman. Perhaps you folks north of the border have enough rivers or good enough government or businessmen who are sufficiently environmentally sensitive that you needn’t worry about the destruction of habitat including good trout water.  But here in the good old U.S. of A. we have to fight the sonsabitches that would destroy everything for an extra buck or an extra vote (and the Newter expects to get both). I’d rather talk and think about fishing, but if I want to be able to do some good fishing I’ve got to do what I can do to prevent the sonsabitches from having their way. And one of those things is to talk about the problem to get others to think and act effectively about it. Besides, from what I hear about the clearcutting going on in British Columbia, you haven’t got enough of those good things I mentioned at the beginning of the last paragraph. Phil Holt

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Collins) writes:

There’s all kinds of ‘em with trolling motors attached… I suggest you get yourself a Buddy II depthfinder and go kick some bass. Tom King KOTH Fly Fishing

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Anyone out there do any kick-boating?  I just purchased a J&W Outfitters Kingfisher III with all accessories, and am eager to try it out.  Just wondering if anyone has any comments or tips? Anyone been successful in hooking up a trolling motor to this puppy? I know one will be available next year from J&W.

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