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Mike, Thanks for the links on knots (and other links in your posts). Guy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric http://www.stren.com/stren/knot7.htm http://www.stren.com/stren/knot8.htm http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knots%20&%20Rigging/fk_uniknt.htm It has the special advantage that you can join lines of unequal diameter using it.# TL MC

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Mike, Thanks for the links on knots (and other links in your posts). Guy

My pleasure. TL MC

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot!

Close. I get .0003318 in diameter. riverman

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In fact, I’ll be testing them in six hours on Penn’s Creek!   d;0) Dave

tight lines! –waldo

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I use Uni-knots and almost never had problems. Shame on you: didn’t you use a wire trace on your pike-leader? Hans van der Stroom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric

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Okay, what’s a uni-knot?  Do these work for tying the fly on?  And yes. I was using extra wraps to tie the knots. Thanks, Eric

http://www.stren.com/stren/knot7.htm http://www.stren.com/stren/knot8.htm http://www.marinews.com/fishing/Knots%20&%20Rigging/fk_uniknt.htm It has the special advantage that you can join lines of unequal diameter using it.# TL MC

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Slay dem fish Dave Handyman   Mike

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I use uni-knots for leaders rather than bloodknots. I use a fair bit of FC and don’t have slippage problems.

You’ll get a hearty second recommendation from me regarding uniknots. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason" Sic ‘em, George! When folks get into the dizzier realms of extra-fine tippets, 30 yard casts, and tying flies that would fool a biologist they’re no longer fishing; they’ve become technoslaves. Yours in the nrth Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

I’m on your side also. GG

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Eric Larsen writes: I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC.

I use FC exclusively when nymphing and have no problems with knot failures.  I use a surgeon’s knot and a clinch knot, and I tie them with a tool.  No problems! In fact, I’ll be testing them in six hours on Penn’s Creek!   d;0) Dave

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason"

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I use a triple surgeon’s knot, and it works fine.  For attaching to wire or shock tippet, I use an albright knot with a dozen turns.  No troubles with broken or slipped knots. Chas ..snip.. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Our .002 extruder finally arrived.  Initial tests show our new tippet material which is only .002 in diameter has a breaking point of 10.9 pounds! I only wonder if we should pay for an extruder die of only .001 in diameter? Mathamatical calculations indicate if and when we start making 1.2 # test tippets, they will be only .0005 in diameter, but no one will be able to see or handle the stuff in order to tie a knot! hum?  That sort of sucks. George Gehrke "science beyond reason"

Sic ‘em, George! When folks get into the dizzier realms of extra-fine tippets, 30 yard casts, and tying flies that would fool a biologist they’re no longer fishing; they’ve become technoslaves. Yours in the nrth Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

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I use uni-knots for leaders rather than bloodknots. I use a fair bit of FC and don’t have slippage problems. Well done on the double BTW Steve

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Hi All, I think that lots of the original FC is hard to knot so that is why I have not really recommended it to everyone. $13.95 and the Rio "Fluoroflex Plus",  knots seem to be much more dependable. We sell more FC every year now. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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I finally broke down about spent $10 to buy a spool of fluorocarbon tippet. My problem is that I can’t get the knots to hold.  I used my standard blood knot and improved clinch knot.  Any rate, the knots I use for regular mono don’t seem to work with FC. As a side note,  I got a hit on a northern pike but lost him because the blood knot failed.  I tied on a mono tippet and put on new fly.  I caught and landed another pike, or at least so I thought.  Out of the pike’s mouth was some fishing line and at the end was the fly I lost when the blood knot slipped.  I don’t I have ever knowing caught the same fish twice when I wasn’t sight fishing. I’d appreciate any advice on working with FC tippet. Thanks, Eric

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Ken you want to respond to this one?

I didn’t see the original post.  Wouldn’t have known about it except for your response.  Did my server overlook something on ROFF, or did you find this somewhere else? Wolfgang

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<SNIPPED Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread?  And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all?  Sheesh… They are LONG posts, so here is some header info if anyone wants to go to Deja and read it the whole saga:

TC, R

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Original went out to 4 news groups rec.outdoors.fishing.saltwater, rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, rec.outdoors.national-parks, rec.outdoors.rv-travel So you must have missed all of Muskies posts

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did it get filtered or did your server miss it. The original post went to a bunch of newsgroups. I replied to only this one. Bellsout.net filters out crossposted spam, I’m not sure how many crossposted newsgroups in a post it takes to get filtered – maybe 10 or so. — Charlie…

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So you must have missed all of Muskies posts

I filter them myself<g. This one must have met some other criteria, I know a lot of the really outrageous one’s I see replies to never get to me in their original form. — Charlie…

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Sorry, I had meant to snip it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, Paul, did you have to quote that thing?  My ISP was nice enough to filter it for me… <snipped

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Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread?  And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all?  Sheesh… Are you really unable to see why people would be more likely to respond to your posts than to an infrequent, obvious troll by someone who doesn’t participate in this newsgroup?

Well, no.  I didn’t post the joke for responses, I posted it as a commentary, hence the stuff before and after the "joke."  But when certain "hall monitors" got on their high horses, I did gig ‘em (No, that wasn’t an Aggie slur).   One thing I do find odd, however: most replies were cries of "Racist!" yet only one "race" was mentioned in the "joke" proper and two total in the entire post, and the "joke" didn’t overtly involve it as an issue.  I really believe these types are no better than real racists because they _think_ they are being righteous without even knowing much about the labels _they_ are so ready to go slapping on people. Richard, the joke you posted did not suprise me. What suprised me is that you apparently thought the joke was funny enough to share.

OK, time to come clean, I guess – the original joke was told to me without the race of the girl or the nationality of the others seemingly being important.  I think it was meant to be strictly a "Jewish lawyer" joke – told to me _by_ a Jewish lawyer, BTW.  I have no idea if the French and Italians (I think they were included because if the "Oo-la-la" and "Mama mia" factors – itself somewhat of a stereotype, however) were being purposefully stereotyped by the writer, but I am fairly sure they were not by the person who related it to me.  I happened to notice those somewhat less obvious stereotypes, and hence, it seemed a good basis for the point of my post. That said, you’re (obviously) free to continue to post whatever jokes you feel like posting. In the future, what would you have other members of the newsgroup do if they find those jokes offensive?

Well, that really isn’t my business – they are free to respond in any way they wish, as am I, or they are free to ignore it, as am I, or they can killfile all they want.  I guess ROFF is destined to become splintered groups who only see about 10% of the posts.  FWIW, I don’t believe in killfiles (other than in a case as discussed re: costs).  I have enough willpower to simply ignore what I don’t want to read, and certainly enough to not respond to what I don’t want to respond to _after_ having read it.  But I don’t begrudge anyone who wishes to use them. An aside:  IIRC, I have posted what would be termed as "Stereotype" humor 3 times – go back and look at what else was being posted at the time, and reread what I posted in light of that. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —Steve

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Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread?  And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all?  Sheesh…

Are you really unable to see why people would be more likely to respond to your posts than to an infrequent, obvious troll by someone who doesn’t participate in this newsgroup? Richard, the joke you posted did not suprise me. What suprised me is that you apparently thought the joke was funny enough to share. That said, you’re (obviously) free to continue to post whatever jokes you feel like posting. In the future, what would you have other members of the newsgroup do if they find those jokes offensive? –Steve

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These threads are obviously being filtered by somebody with a lot of sense at server propagation levels, probably due to cross-posting. I have seen no posts about racist poets or Latinos. If not for some of the replies here, I would not have known of them.  Really just another piece of useless knowledge I could happily dispense with. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else seeing the "Hard Working Latinos" thread?  And _I_ get branded a racist for a clearly over-the-top post in the midst of it all?  Sheesh…

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I started getting them again. The original was sent to many newsgroups and it gets picked up occasionally. Paul

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Did it get filtered or did your server miss it. The original post went to a bunch of newsgroups. I replied to only this one. I think rw may be correct since the host node that the message was sent from did not match any of the email addresses. The host was on Frontier Internet. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken you want to respond to this one? Interesting that my newsgroup filter blocked the original message, but I’ve never filtered the supposed author.   Probably from some other regular troublemaker.   (Could have lived without the repost, though.) Joe F.

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Did it get filtered or did your server miss it. The original post went to a bunch of newsgroups. I replied to only this one.

Bellsout.net filters out crossposted spam, I’m not sure how many crossposted newsgroups in a post it takes to get filtered – maybe 10 or so. — Charlie…

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Geez, Paul, did you have to quote that thing?  My ISP was nice enough to filter it for me…

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Ken you want to respond to this one?

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Paul G asked: Ken you want to respond to this one?<

Why bother?  Unless you respond to his ISP, of course.

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Ken you want to respond to this one?

My guess is that someone is trying to screw James Vipond. No one in his right mind would attach his name to this sort of thing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Ken you want to respond to this one?

Interesting that my newsgroup filter blocked the original message, but I’ve never filtered the supposed author.   Probably from some other regular troublemaker.   (Could have lived without the repost, though.) Joe F.

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Ken you want to respond to this one? Interesting that my newsgroup filter blocked the original message, but I’ve never filtered the supposed author.   Probably from some other regular troublemaker.   (Could have lived without the repost, though.)

I didn’t see the original either. — Charlie…

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But Ken, who makes those blanks? — ~~~~ The RodMaker (aka) The Shadow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      if you had a chance to have a custom rod made, whos blank would you chose?     light spinning rod , 6 to 6 1/2 foot I don’t have experience with their spinning rod blanks, but in flyrods I’m impressed with Angler’s Workshop IM6 blanks, for the money. http://www.anglersworkshop.com — Ken Fortenberry

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But Ken, who makes those blanks?

Does it matter ? It’s quality IM6 graphite, or at least their flyrods are, for a good price. I suppose if you were to tell me that they’re manufactured by starving slaves in a third world hovel and marketed by profiteering commies using the proceeds to finance the violent overthrow of the US government, I would probably expect them to be a lot cheaper , but I’ve done business with Angler’s Workshop in the past and have been quite happy. Of course, this assumes that the original poster can buy whatever blank he wants. Most custom builders that I know of insist on using their own blanks or charge a premium to build a rod on the customer’s blank. I use Angler’s Workshop ’cause I roll my own. YMMV — Ken Fortenberry

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Do you continue to pay retail prices for these blanks you buy? — ~~~~ The RodMaker (aka) The Shadow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But Ken, who makes those blanks? Does it matter ? It’s quality IM6 graphite, or at least their flyrods are, for a good price. I suppose if you were to tell me that they’re manufactured by starving slaves in a third world hovel and marketed by profiteering commies using the proceeds to finance the violent overthrow of the US government, I would probably expect them to be a lot cheaper , but I’ve done business with Angler’s Workshop in the past and have been quite happy. Of course, this assumes that the original poster can buy whatever blank he wants. Most custom builders that I know of insist on using their own blanks or charge a premium to build a rod on the customer’s blank. I use Angler’s Workshop ’cause I roll my own. YMMV — Ken Fortenberry

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Do you continue to pay retail prices for these blanks you buy?

Sure. I’m just a do-it-yourselfer who buys blanks for personal use and the occasional birthday gift/Christmas present. I wouldn’t expect a quantity discount or a professional discount. I assume when you find a blank that you like that you buy several of the same blank at a time. I buy ‘em one at a time as I need them,and I hardly ever buy the same blank twice. Apples & oranges, RodMaker, you’re a pro who deserves his discount, I’m just an amateur hobbyist. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ok, One thing I should have made more clear concerning the Lamiglass (Perigee) series. What I meant was that Lamiglass designed these blanks for custom builders(already stated that) but what I forgot to mention was that Lamiglass themselves will not use these blanks to build rods for resale! Have you tried their fly rod blanks yet? — ~~~~ The RodMaker (aka) The Shadow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you continue to pay retail prices for these blanks you buy? Sure. I’m just a do-it-yourselfer who buys blanks for personal use and the occasional birthday gift/Christmas present. I wouldn’t expect a quantity discount or a professional discount. I assume when you find a blank that you like that you buy several of the same blank at a time. I buy ‘em one at a time as I need them,and I hardly ever buy the same blank twice. Apples & oranges, RodMaker, you’re a pro who deserves his discount, I’m just an amateur hobbyist. — Ken Fortenberry

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… Have you tried their fly rod blanks yet?

No, I haven’t. Lamiglas doesn’t make a 10′ 7wt. blank. The next flyrod I build for bassin’ will be a 10′ 7wt. I like the 10′ length because I sit so close to the water in my canoe. I like a slow action flyrod, that’s why I’m so partial to IM6, and my current 10′ 7wt. is sloooooow. But while a slow action rod is great for some things, bassin’ ain’t one of them, I’d like a faster action for bassin’. I’ll probably build the new one on a Sage 71003SP, it’s a lot faster than my current rod but still slow enough to be comfortable for me. — Ken Fortenberry

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The next flyrod I build for bassin’ will be a 10′ 7wt. I like the 10′ length because I sit so close to the water in my canoe. I like a slow action flyrod, that’s why I’m so partial to IM6, and my current 10′ 7wt. is sloooooow. But while a slow action rod is great for some things, bassin’ ain’t one of them, I’d like a faster action for bassin’. I’ll probably build the new one on a Sage 71003SP, it’s a lot faster than my current rod but still slow enough to be comfortable for me. — Ken Fortenberry

Hey Ken, It’s been a while since I built a new rod and I’m getting the fever.  I never thought of using a 10 footer or a 7 weight, but reading your post makes me want to hear more from you on the idea.  What conditions do you fish in?  What bugs do you throw?  Etc? I do some fly fishing from kickboats and tubes.  I don’t generally make long casts because it’s so easy to simply position my craft so that I’m the right distance from what ever target I choose.  My current fly rod is a 20-year-old Cabela’s 9 foot 8 weight.  The reason I use this particular rod is that it is the rod I happen to own and carry in my truck.   Now I’m starting to fish more from a sit-on-top kayak which is much better suited for covering distances of water than either a tube or a kickboat.  But it’s not as easy to position and is far more susceptible to the wind.  For those times when it’s hard to hold a position near the shoreline, I can see the advantage of a longer rod, but I don’t understand the advantage of a slower rod, or of the 7 weight.  (As I write this, it just occurred to me that if you add a foot in length, your wrist and arm will very likely be tireder at the end of the day and that a lighter rod might well be a blessing — is that it?)  At any rate, I’d like to hear more about the advantages of a slow rod vs. a faster rod, etc. etc.   —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com

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Hey Ken, It’s been a while since I built a new rod and I’m getting the fever.  I never thought of using a 10 footer or a 7 weight, but reading your post makes me want to hear more from you on the idea.  What conditions do you fish in?  What bugs do you throw?  Etc?

Hi Rob, My "home water" is a collection of reclaimed strip mine ponds and the tributaries of the Vermillion River in east central Illinois. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.106&lon=-87.7429&size=s&s=50 Conditions here on the prairie are usually windy and I fish out of a canoe. I’ll throw everything in the box at ‘em, poppers, Dahlberg divers, Clouser minnows, bunny leeches, wooly buggers, deer hair frogs etc., everything but crayfish flies, I don’t like fishin’ down on the bottom and losing 6 flies an hour. The difference between 7 & 8 wt is personal preference, the 8wt is the classic weight for a bass flyrod but a 7wt has enough backbone. The 10′ length gets the rod tip up a bit off the water, which is an advantage when you’re sitting low in the water like in a canoe (or a kayak). It’s also an advantage on a stream for mending and rollcasting. … I’d like to hear more about the advantages of a slow rod vs. a faster rod, etc. etc.

To oversimplify and generalize, slow action rods are preferred for delicate presentation (dry flies), and chucking a lot of weight (split shot to get nymphs down). Fast action rods are preferred for powering through the wind and for tossing big wind eating flies like deer hair and bigger poppers. So for bass fishin’ most folks prefer a faster action flyrod. My current 10′ 7wt is a Thomas & Thomas XL, a slow action rod that’s ideal for steelhead but not so for bassin’. A slow 7/8 wt rod can double as a steelhead rod and a pike/carp rod while a fast 7/8 wt rod can double as a bass rod and a bonefish rod. That’s why I’d like to build another 10′ 7wt on a faster blank. Take care, — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi Ken, Thanks for the info.  I think the last slow fly rod I had was an old glass Herter rod I built in the early ’60s.  Maybe it’s time to try another.   I agree with you about fishing on the bottom.  It never appealed to me even though I know that with a sinking line and a floating bug you can show the fish a presentation they don’t often see.  When I fish a fly rod, I like the action to be right in front of me.  Flies or plugs, I like my lure to be on the surface whenever possible. You mention pike and carp.  I’ve caught the odd carp while casting small streamers for white bass, but I’ve never had the pleasure of fighting a pike on a fly rod.  Am planning a trip to Andrew Lake in Alberta for June 2001.  I ‘ll probably take along a 5 weight for grayling, but after reading your post, I might want to pack the 8 weight as well.   Thanks again for the info. —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com

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     if you had a chance to have a custom rod made, whos blank would you chose?     light spinning rod , 6 to 6 1/2 foot

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     if you had a chance to have a custom rod made, whos blank would you chose?     light spinning rod , 6 to 6 1/2 foot

Personally I would go with whatever RodMaker here in this group told me to. Good fishing, Richard L. LaFay  | (248) 753-6940 (work) 2887 Pontiac Court  | (248) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   48326 Ranger Boats, Lowrance Electronics, Berkley Trilene, Rippler, Bill Norman Lures, and Aqua-Vu underwater cameras. I use them because I think they’re the best!

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     if you had a chance to have a custom rod made, whos blank would you chose?     light spinning rod , 6 to 6 1/2 foot

I don’t have experience with their spinning rod blanks, but in flyrods I’m impressed with Angler’s Workshop IM6 blanks, for the money. http://www.anglersworkshop.com — Ken Fortenberry

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My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff.

YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!!   CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^<     Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!!     Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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For a quarter?!?  Wow I am envious. I won’t be able to go garage saling until next week.     Deb Wise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday.  For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies.  In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets.   I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL!   I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott

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My idea of roughing it is the Hilton with room service!! LOL Donna

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I wouldn’t trade my camping trips for a cruise any day.  There are so many priceless moments with the kids!  Just picture my little girl, learning fly-fishing on the beach of a lake last year.  She was doing really good, and she got a bite.  My DH had told her to give it a tug and set the hook.  Well, the poor dear pulled like she’d hooked a shark, and a very surprised little girl had a little bluegill fly past her head and land about 20 feet behind her.  She caught it!  She was pleased, then asked if this 4 inch fish was too small to eat.  We quickly let the poor thing go, but what a memory!  Huddled together in a tent in the thunderstorm is another matter.  Lovin’ the great outdoors, Greta

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My idea of roughing it is the Hilton with room service!! LOL Donna

Me too!!  I wasn’t raised *roughing it* but my husband was.  Guess who had to change!!!! Candi

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    I agree!  DH wants to go camping for vacation.  I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back.   Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation!         Di’mn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G.  It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR!                         Cindy  - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I agree!  DH wants to go camping for vacation.  I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back.   Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation!         Di’mn My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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Have to laugh because we are getting ready to head out for a Civil War reenactment at Wilson’s Creek, Missouri and not only will I be camping, it will be 1861 for the wekend – water in wooden casks (and don’t ask who’ll be using wooden buckets to haul it into camp), open fire cooking, and candles for lighting.  And all this as a proper 19th century lady, petticoated and corsetted.  Needless to say I am NOT bringing good needlework projects to camp – they aren’t period and they are too expensive to risk in the outdoors – it will be knitting and quilting for me this weekend. — Janet Rice

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I agree!  DH wants to go camping for vacation.  I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back.   Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation!         Di’mn My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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We have 1992 motorhome, which was our ONLY home for four years, while we wandered the United States.My husband considered it "roughing it" if the microwave broke, or trees blocked out the satellite dish! Nowadays, roughing it is when he gets to a campground, and there is nowhere to plug in his laptop, and download mail!! Gillian in Polk City, FL "Cindy

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I miss camping, but DH & I have an RV.  It’s only 24 feet long, so we can still go down some interesting roads to neat campsites, but I must admit that it beats sleeping on the ground. )  When we go, though, BOTH of us are on vacation, so food usually consists of canned stew or beans, hot dogs and sandwiches.  I’m happy as a clam stitching or reading, but DH get bored easily & isn’t a reader, so the TV & VCR are nice.  The free campgrounds or rest stops are nice because we can use the generator (for an hour or two), but the "organized" campgrounds are nice too, where we can plug into the power and water and not have the noise of the generator (or the cost of the propane to run it).  I’m just toooo cheap to enjoy staying in an expensive motel when all I do in it is sleep.  I’d rather save my money for food, S.E.X. or, or, or….well, what else is there??? )) This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G.  It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR! Cindy  - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away!

Liz from Humbug

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This sounds so familiar, I can curl up and stitch or read for hours, while he walks around muttering that there’s nothing to do!  Campground this year has a fishing creek, I got him a license and a rod and reel, and let him go looking for fish. (he hasn’t found any yet, but it keeps him busy!                                 Cindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I miss camping, but DH & I have an RV.  It’s only 24 feet long, so we can still go down some interesting roads to neat campsites, but I must admit that it beats sleeping on the ground. )  When we go, though, BOTH of us are on vacation, so food usually consists of canned stew or beans, hot dogs and sandwiches.  I’m happy as a clam stitching or reading, but DH get bored easily & isn’t a reader, so the TV & VCR are nice.  The free campgrounds or rest stops are nice because we can use the generator (for an hour or two), but the "organized" campgrounds are nice too, where we can plug into the power and water and not have the noise of the generator (or the cost of the propane to run it).  I’m just toooo cheap to enjoy staying in an expensive motel when all I do in it is sleep.  I’d rather save my money for food, S.E.X. or, or, or….well, what else is there??? )) This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G.  It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR! Cindy  - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away! Liz from Humbug

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I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday.  For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies.  In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets.   I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL!   I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott

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I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday.  For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies.  In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets.   I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL!   I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott

Lucky you!!!  You made quite a haul! Candi

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Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. Finished 2/24/2000 – Sweet 16 (Silver Lining) WIP:Twins Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe, Teen Creed, California Sampler, America the Beautiful (Nimble Needle), antique green doll (Vervaco) Don’t risk your on-line privileges!  I report all Spam.

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Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity.

This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly.  Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar,  booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar.  Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style.   An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started.   Probably a reflection of the area.   From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much.  On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott

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Where do you go yardsaling? I think I’ll have to make it part of a holiday some year!! Gillian in Vancouver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly.  Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar,  booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar.  Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style.   An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started.   Probably a reflection of the area.   From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much.  On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott

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Hey Nan– Are you sure all this S.E.X. didn’t upset your budget? BEG  Anyway,  enjoy it all! Tobie — WIP:  Silhouette of Bride & Groom (NP); Tallit Bag Cover (NP); Lace Border & Name (Endearments Old & New NP); Picture of 5 clowns (NP);  Ocean Princess (James Himsworth XS); Hanukkah Dreidel (NP)

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It’s interesting that with yard sales you tend to do better on different items in different geographic areas.  Having lived in a lot of different places, my conclusion is that this type of yard sale find is most common in areas where people have or regularly rent vacation cottages near their homes, like within driving distance of a beach or mountains.  Women live with the delusion that they will get to the holiday place and have the time to do needlework when in point of fact they keep house in a different location with fewer "mod cons."   My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. Nan Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do you go yardsaling? I think I’ll have to make it part of a holiday some year!! Gillian in Vancouver Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly.  Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar,  booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar.  Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style.   An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started.   Probably a reflection of the area. From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much.  On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott

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(Sandy’s observations snipped) — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0

I think we’ve been down these threads before Sandy, but they are worth repeating.  I asked the question once before and never got a definitive answer (like you ever do in this group); What about crushing ants and rolling your ant pattern around in a bottle of crushed ants?  Work? Ethical?  I was stopped and questioned at length once by a game warden because he thought my Bio-Strike looked like Power Bait!  I might try the ant thing this summer though.  Mossy Creek Browns are notoriously pickey! Just an additional note here about the scent thing.  A Wildlife Biologist/Fraternity Brother always swore by Oil of Anise.  Said fish and small game couldn’t resist the smell.  What if some enterprising floatant maker developed Anise scented floatant?  Ant scented, Mayfly scented floatant lines? — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Just an additional note here about the scent thing.  A Wildlife Biologist/Fraternity Brother always swore by Oil of Anise.  Said fish and small game couldn’t resist the smell.  What if some enterprising floatant maker developed Anise scented floatant?  Ant scented, Mayfly scented floatant lines?

I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F.

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I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F.

If your gonna smear dead ants all over your fly then why not just hook a dead ant on the thing.  For that matter, why not dispense with the extra furry junk and just use the ant?  Let’s see, worms will hang on a hook easier than ants.  How about just using a worm and a big ball of strike indicater about 2 feet up the line?  Add to that a one piece bamboo "fly" rod and you have something which sounds familiar. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Dear Chief the extra chili last night and they really enjoyed it. They howled alot during the night but seemed fine this A.M.  You forgot to take the extra set of underware I washed for you.  Perhaps you can borrow a pair from DEave, use your suspenders to keep them up.   Try to stay away from that Fontenberry guy, last time you went fishing with him you came home with alot of new dirty words and some screwed up opinions.  Take your celostral pill each  morning.your metamusal each night and don"t forget you should have one Manhatten each night. Your side of the tribe has never been able to handle firewater,

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"Wayne Hart" wrote <snip Just an additional note here about the scent thing.  A Wildlife Biologist/Fraternity Brother always swore by Oil of Anise.  Said fish and small game couldn’t resist the smell.  What if some enterprising floatant maker developed Anise scented floatant?  Ant scented, Mayfly scented floatant lines? Wayne

How about giving the whole area a rotten egg scent after one of Dave LaCourse’s clave breakfasts?  It isn’t from Anise but that’s close. Ernie

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Knowledge is power.

Excellent post Sandy. Mu, who spent the morning alternating between spinnerbaits and wooly buggers.  Didn’t bring my minoow trap though.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F. If your gonna smear dead ants all over your fly then why not just hook a dead ant on the thing.  For that matter, why not dispense with the extra furry junk and just use the ant?  Let’s see, worms will hang on a hook easier than ants.  How about just using a worm and a big ball of strike indicater about 2 feet up the line?  Add to that a one piece bamboo "fly" rod and you have something which sounds familiar. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

Man, y’all gotta complicate thangs…get a old field phone and a bucket…or for you wacky types, Nitromon S and a good defense lawyer…you can fish and check fer erl… R To crank is exercise…. To blast Dangerous!

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Joe Fleischman writes: I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F.

Well hell, Joe!  I guess I can’t fish in my favorite waders.   Hmmmmm, come to think of it, they don’t smell like bait, they smell Dave

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Ernie Harrison writes: How about giving the whole area a rotten egg scent after one of Dave LaCourse’s clave breakfasts?  It isn’t from Anise but that’s close. Ernie

Ernie, damn it, I resent that!  My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints.  If you ever get your scrawny ass to one of these claves, I will prove it to you, if I have to force feed the %&# eggs to ya!  <g And then I will get my buddy Jeffy to deep fry you an egg in bacon grease and we will force you to eat it.  Then, we’ll seal you in your waders, and send you on your way.   And people will shun you, forever and ever. Dave

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Indian Joe sends a smoke signal: Dear Chief the extra chili last night and they really enjoyed it. They howled alot during the night but seemed fine this A.M. You forgot to take the extra set of underware I washed for you.  Perhaps you can borrow a pair from DEave, use your suspenders to keep them up.   Try to stay away from that Fontenberry guy, last time you went fishing with him you came home with alot of new dirty words and some screwed up opinions. Take your celostral pill each  morning.your metamusal each night and don"t forget you should have one Manhatten each night. Your side of the tribe has never been able to handle firewater,

Golly, Forty, only you and I made IJ’s celebrity  list this time around.  That underware stuff — is that like Tupper-ware? Your Pal, DEave

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Charlie Choc: My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints.   Never knew you were the cook at Tooties (where I ate *my* clave breakfasts)<g. — Charlie…

That’s right, you never stay at clave central.  Put it this way, if you liked Tooties, you will love the breakfast IJ and I will fix you.  (pssst, don’t eat Jeffy’s eggs). Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Charlie Choc: My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints. Never knew you were the cook at Tooties (where I ate *my* clave breakfasts)<g. — Charlie… That’s right, you never stay at clave central.  Put it this way, if you liked Tooties, you will love the breakfast IJ and I will fix you.  (pssst, don’t eat Jeffy’s eggs). Dave LaCourse

i’m workin on lasagna this year…hmmm…now, lemmesee, where’s the bacon grease… jeff

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In the Great State of North Carolina, it is unlawful to desecrate the body of the dead.  Furthermore, anyone who *smears* the dead aunt onto a fly pattern is just plain sick!!

Umm, Rosanne Rosannadanna, that’s "ant".  Not "aunt", "ant". Regards, Jeff

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My God man, don’t unbuckle that wader belt up wind! Fishing tip for the day:  A fisherman in neoprenes with a tight wader belt can be used to replace a punctured pontoon if you feed him enuf Burro Chilli.  Hint: ensure he is secured with a slip knot for easy release and to allow for expansion.                                     Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe Fleischman writes: I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F. Well hell, Joe!  I guess I can’t fish in my favorite waders.   Hmmmmm, come to think of it, they don’t smell like bait, they smell Dave

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Folks, In the Great State of North Carolina, it is unlawful to desecrate the body of the dead.  Furthermore, anyone who *smears* the dead aunt onto a fly pattern is just plain sick!!

If you just hold it close to aunt Bea, though, it’ll pick up some of that gravy smell and that should work. — Charlie…

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Folks, In the Great State of North Carolina, it is unlawful to desecrate the body of the dead.  Furthermore, anyone who *smears* the dead aunt onto a fly pattern is just plain sick!! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know I’ve mentioned this here before; but it’s been a while, so here it is again.   The state regs in MD used to have a simple clause for artificials-only water, "if it smells like bait, it is bait." Joe F. If your gonna smear dead ants all over your fly then why not just hook a dead ant on the thing.  For that matter, why not dispense with the extra furry junk and just use the ant?  Let’s see, worms will hang on a hook easier than ants.  How about just using a worm and a big ball of strike indicater about 2 feet up the line?  Add to that a one piece bamboo "fly" rod and you have something which sounds familiar. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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You’ll have to ask Al for sure, but I think Tupper just wears big ol’ cotton panties…

Gee thanks.   That’s a visual I could have done without.  :-) Joe F.

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Nice post.  The only thing I would question is the part about lateral lines left out of the fly fishing definition – I think everyone agrees a muddler minnow is a fly, and part of its appeal is supposedly that it gives off enough vibration to get a trout’s interest. Anyway, I think part of the reason some people are attracted to fly fishing is to challenge themselves to fool trout.  The less real the "bait/fly" is, the more challenge there is in the deception.  The more real it is, the less challenge.  How much people care to challenge themselves in this respect seems to be a very personal thing.  The more natural the whole *scenario* is, the more challenge.  Some people will set up a chum line of real beetles to be followed by their own beetle imitation.  I don’t know how legal that is, but it’s not entirely natural. Knowledge is power.

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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Golly, Forty, only you and I made IJ’s celebrity  list this time around.  That underware stuff — is that like Tupper-ware?

You’ll have to ask Al for sure, but I think Tupper just wears big ol’ cotton panties… — Charlie…

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My breakfasts at the clave are eaten by all with much gusto and no complaints.  

Never knew you were the cook at Tooties (where I ate *my* clave breakfasts)<g. — Charlie…

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Knowledge is power. I like to know things about fish behavior. I often try things just to see what will happen. Once my experiment is finished, my new experimental technique may or may not become a steady habit. But I seldom regret trying something once. There is a lot to be learned from bait fishing for instance. Years ago–when it was still legal to fish with sculpins in Montana–I used to go sculpin fishing once every two or three years. If you use barbless hooks and set the hook when you first detect the strike, you get to return the fish unharmed, if you choose to do so. More important, in a few short hours of sculpin fishing you can learn about large brown trout behavior what might take a lifetime of fishing with flies. I used bait fishing to make myself a better streamer fisherman. You can learn a lot about riffle feeding behavior too–by fishing with live nymphs. The feedback rate (the number of fish you catch) is so great you learn more in a very short period of time (when you fish with live nymphs). When fishing with live nymphs doesn’t work, for instance, you know the fish are asleep. You learn to recognize those times, and not to waste your time. When the fish *are* on the feed, you can catch so many more fish in such a short period of time, you don’t have to work with hunches anymore. You quickly learn how to size up a riffle: to know where the big ones lie and how the little ones line up behind. You learn how much weight to use, how much slack to throw, and how and when to wait for the strike. You can learn all of those things from fly fishing too, of course. But you learn it slower, over a much longer time period, and you reach conclusions with far less confidence when fly fishing—-because the feedback rate is so slow. We do what we want. I choose to bait fish occasionally because I learn from it. I fly fish frequently because I prefer to fish that way. PUNCHLINE:    The line between bait fishing and fly fishing can be substantially obscured.  I’ve been making soft-bodied, open-cell foam nymphs for years. They’re good looking nymphs. Because they’re soft, fish don’t spit them out. They swim around chewing on soft nymphs, which makes it easier to detect the strikes. With soft foam nymphs, you don’t necessarily get more strikes, but you definately feel more of them happen.   Then, the other day, while fishing in the Madison canyon, I found a fat golden stonefly nymph under a rock. I killed it on a whim: I crushed it up and squeezed the resulting paste into the body of a soft foam nymph. I rolled the soft foam nymph back and forth in the palm of my hand, in a puddle of bug paste. That (open-cell foam) nymph, at that point, became equally effective as a live bait. But I could cast it as far as my fly rod would reach. I caught one fish after another in a riffle I had been working steadily and unsuccessfully foam nymph, but without the bug paste. Now I’m not suggesting anybody else should do anything like this at all. But this is interesting information. Fish detect their prey by: 1) eye sight 2) by detecting vibrations with their lateral line 3) by smell. And smell, I think, is the most powerful attractant of all. Now that I think of it, perhaps fly fishing (for those who worry about categories and definitions) means fishing with a fly rod in a way that only targets the piscatorial visual cortex: IE with no help from the lateral line, nor from the (fishes) olfactory system. For those of us who enjoy breaking the rules occasionally (but still like casting with a fly rod), you can also target the lateral line–with lightweight fly rod wigglers. And you can target the olfactory system too (and still do long distance fly rod casting) by fishing with soft foam nymphs……and bug paste. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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        George and I have butted heads on a couple of issues in the past, but he was gracious enough to give up some of his time to let me interview him about his ‘Bastard’ project.  Whatever anyone thinks, he sure is passionate about this and believes in his rods. The article is at http://flyfishing.about.com/ Ian Scott

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         George and I have butted heads on a couple of issues in the past, but he was gracious enough to give up some of his time to let me interview him about his ‘Bastard’ project.  Whatever anyone thinks, he sure is passionate about this and believes in his rods. The article is at http://flyfishing.about.com/ Ian Scott

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value.

Mark, what weight/type line(s) are you using on your new rod?

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value. Mark, what weight/type line(s) are you using on your new rod?

        tripper:  i thought i would have to "light line" my 7.5/4wt, but it seemed spot on with a double taper 4. wayno

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Enjoyed the article.  As a recent Bastard owner, I can attest to the quality of the rod, although I was not getting 75 ft casts.  That, however, is a minor quibble.  It is a solid value. Mark, what weight/type line(s) are you using on your new rod?    tripper:  i thought i would have to "light line" my 7.5/4wt, but it seemed spot on with a double taper 4. wayno

Excellent –  and thanks very much for the tip, Wayno! You might have just saved me the cost of springing for a new DT3F, as I already have a fairly fresh DT4F that I can wind onto a vintage Hardy Sunbeam – ought to balance the rod reasonably well. My apologies, btw, for hijacking this thread… /daytripper

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Excellent –  and thanks very much for the tip, Wayno! You might have just saved me the cost of springing for a new DT3F, as I already have a fairly fresh DT4F that I can wind onto a vintage Hardy Sunbeam – ought to balance the rod reasonably well. My apologies, btw, for hijacking this thread… /daytripper

trip…. as i mentioned to mark via e-mail, i’ve fished 3,4, & 5 wt lines on the 7.5 aught. the 3 wt is light but does fish ok. the 4 wt is real good and the 5 wt line really loads the rod well. all were wf’s. walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Excellent –  and thanks very much for the tip, Wayno! You might have just saved me the cost of springing for a new DT3F, as I already have a fairly fresh DT4F that I can wind onto a vintage Hardy Sunbeam – ought to balance the rod reasonably well. trip…. as i mentioned to mark via e-mail, i’ve fished 3,4, & 5 wt lines on the 7.5 aught. the 3 wt is light but does fish ok. the 4 wt is real good and the 5 wt line really loads the rod well. all were wf’s.

Thanks, Walt! I prefer double tapers, and judging from your experience it sounds like a DT4 ought to work just fine. btw: There’s a real story going on behind the scenes that I’ll share with y’all when I return from Maine. The happy ending is a lock. /daytripper (psyched!)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what you are flying but when flying my instructors Turbo Aztec, six full grown american people and topped off I can hold 15,000 on one engine, well, or as long as my leg holds out. cg It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. Reinhard

First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James The two longest legs are Oakland to Honolulu 2100 NM and from there you have another long leg, either HNL to Majuro, Marshall Islands, or HNL to Tarawa, Republic of Kiribati, the latter one being a good stop, but almost again as far as OAK-HNL. After that you can choose your legs more easily and they are considerably shorter.

You could also go up to Alaska, across and down through Russia, over to Japan and then on to the South Pacific.  It is a much longer journey, but no 2000 mile over water legs. (I wonder how far the jump to Palau would be, I’ve always wanted to go there…) Brian

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First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard I only show from OAK to PHNL to be 2089 nm that would only be about 10 hrs in the air.

My rounded off 2100 NM was only a paltry 11 NM off from your very accurate 2089!! well within range 300 gal, 1800 lbs, but you would not be flying  more than 5 hours on one engine. cg

It is quite obvious to me that you are an armchair pilot who has never done anything like this before. Your numbers are all wrong, and I hope for your sake that you never try it. You would most certainly get your feet wet. It took me 13 hours in a Baron 58 and 15 in a Twin Bonanza. Your turbos in that Aztec would most likely do very little if anything for you since westbound to HNL most frequently you need to stay at 10K or below lest you catch the prevailing westerlies which are very strong at altitude. So you would do well to get 150K over the water. Reinhard

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I only show from OAK to PHNL to be 2089 nm that would only be about 10 hrs in the air. well within range 300 gal, 1800 lbs, but you would not be flying  more than 5 hours on one engine.   cg First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard

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First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard

I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… …cruising between 150 to 200 miles per hour… Greater cruising speeds are possible, but the size of the earth does not warrent greater speeds. -Igor Sikorsky in 1934

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It doesn’t matter a great deal what the legal reserve is.  Winds over the Pacific on that flight are usually against you.  If you go high at all to minimize fuel consumption the head winds increase.  The Aztec is NOT a fast airplane for its fuel consumption.   To fly that leg without considerably MORE than a 45 minute reserve, is to seriously invite wet feet.  The 3  hour reserve is not bad.  The 14 hours is quite optimistic, in my opinion.  I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks!   John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… …cruising between 150 to 200 miles per hour… Greater cruising speeds are possible, but the size of the earth does not warrent greater speeds. -Igor Sikorsky in 1934

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OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James James, It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. The two longest legs are Oakland to Honolulu 2100 NM and from there you have another long leg, either HNL to Majuro, Marshall Islands, or HNL to Tarawa, Republic of Kiribati, the latter one being a good stop, but almost again as far as OAK-HNL. After that you can choose your legs more easily and they are considerably shorter. Reinhard

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What did you assume that I would try it without any  preflight planning?? cg It is quite obvious to me that you are an armchair pilot who has never done anything like this before. Your numbers are all wrong, and I hope for your sake that you never try it. You would most certainly get your feet wet. It took me 13 hours in a Baron 58 and 15 in a Twin Bonanza. Your turbos in that Aztec would most likely do very little if anything for you since westbound to HNL most frequently you need to stay at 10K or below lest you catch the prevailing westerlies which are very strong at altitude. So you would do well to get 150K over the water. Reinhard

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First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  

Surely you jest, Doug. Kidding aside, the special flight permit that you get for the overload condition and he temporary fuel tank installation requires you calculate in a 3 hour reserve on transoceanic flights. Things can happen while on such a long flight; the forecast winds can turn out different, you might have equipment problems that cause you to burn more fuel for less airspeed than you had planned, etc. I have had several a couple of occasions when I was glad for the extra fuel. Remember, there is only one time when you can have too much fuel: when you are on fire. Reinhard

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It doesn’t matter a great deal what the legal reserve is.  Winds over the Pacific on that flight are usually against you.  If you go high at all to minimize fuel consumption the head winds increase.  The Aztec is NOT a fast airplane for its fuel consumption.   To fly that leg without considerably MORE than a 45 minute reserve, is to seriously invite wet feet.  The 3  hour reserve is not bad.  The 14 hours is quite optimistic, in my opinion.  I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks!  

How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil.

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I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks! How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil.

If you stay below 10k feet, you will frequently find winds that are not too bad. You often find about 10 knots of help down low.. Under no circumstances would I start out with ANY headwind on that leg. Then you could make HNL in about 14-15 hrs in an Aztec. Taking a Baron to Fiji last year, I flew at 6K feet to HNL and did quite well. (13 hrs.) Fitting all that fuel into the plane is really not so difficult. There are professional tanking outfits that install ferry tanks in the cabin in a day. You are certainly correct when you adress the oil issue. It is absolutely essential that you know the oil consumption of your engines. And there is also a way to rig an oil replenishing setup to that you can add oil in flight. Reinhard

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OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James

Well Jon Johanson has done it both ways (make that crossed the Pacific … ) in an RV-4 during his round the world trips. Check out his Web site at http://www.mag-net.educ.monash.edu.au/saaa/head.html. He has also published his autobio called "Aiming High", Wakefield Press, South Australia, ISBN 1 86254 424 7. Highly recommended reading for anyone building their own plane. Rgds JD   …… I’d rather be flying ….. John Duncan M.C.N.E.  PPL(A)  J.P.  AOPA(Aust)#42745 EAA#548147 J & J Network Services Pty Ltd P.O. Box 109 Minto N.S.W. 2566 Australia

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My tongue was firmly in cheek.  I don’t fly VFR without at least 1 hour reserve. — Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It doesn’t matter a great deal what the legal reserve is.  Winds over the Pacific on that flight are usually against you.  If you go high at all to minimize fuel consumption the head winds increase.  The Aztec is NOT a fast airplane for its fuel consumption.   To fly that leg without considerably MORE than a 45 minute reserve, is to seriously invite wet feet.  The 3  hour reserve is not bad.  The 14 hours is quite optimistic, in my opinion.  I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks!   John I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… …cruising between 150 to 200 miles per hour… Greater cruising speeds are possible, but the size of the earth does not warrent greater speeds. -Igor Sikorsky in 1934

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No idea about a KR2, but you might want to read Sport Aviation (past few issues) and look for the 2 part round the world story by the author and Burt Rutan, who flew their Long EZ’s around the world. Very informative (and nice pictures – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James Well Jon Johanson has done it both ways (make that crossed the Pacific … ) in an RV-4 during his round the world trips. Check out his Web site at http://www.mag-net.educ.monash.edu.au/saaa/head.html. He has also published his autobio called "Aiming High", Wakefield Press, South Australia, ISBN 1 86254 424 7. Highly recommended reading for anyone building their own plane.

James, You are considering a monumental task here ol chap, this sought of feat requires a hell of a lot of homework and I would suggest you’re really stretching it in a KR-2. With a large amount of retro-fitting you could possibly carry out this adventure, however the stakes are extremely high! I would also endorse the above, ie read Jon Johannson’s book and while your doing that bare a thought for the planning both technically and enroute that goes into these voyages. You may also wish to contact the "Mick & Dick" of "Round the World Friendship Tour":- Sport Aviation Feb edition Pg 76. For a start, unless you’ve got heaps of "Bucks" behind you, just go build your A/C and enjoy flying it around the "States". Whilst I’ll admit, I don’t have an intermit knowledge of the KR-2 and its weight & balance etc, it is only small by any standards. Its payload excess does not go down well with the number crunching required when you consider such additions as fuel, extra redundancy systems req’d, and ESPECIALLY CONSIDER ENGINE RELIABLITY etc, etc. To say the least, 18 plus hours is a long time to spend in the close confines of a KR-2 cockpit, surrounded by custom built ferry tanks around your ears. I have two buddies that were involved in Ferry Flights across the Pacific in their younger days. One of them did get his feet wet mid Pacific (1200 Nm from nowhere & at night) when the nut on the Alternator pulley worked its way loose. Lucky for him he had spotted a fishing boat a couple of hours before and was able to back track and relocate it. All be it, he was now down to torch and compass. That was in a brand new production A/C as well. Glenn now does his long transcontinental flights the same way I do, the only way:-In style at 43,000 ft. James, whilst your challenge is a commendable one, the golden rule is to keep your feet dry. Best way to do that is travel the South Pacific the same way most of us do, In a 747, 767 etc, and don’t forget you can have the added advantage of sipping champagne or other adult beverages!! If you’re considering going on from HNL to other South Pacific destinations, then you have a hole heap more challenges in front of you. Regards Ray (Just my 2 cents worth) J.

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I don’t know what you are flying but when flying my instructors Turbo Aztec, six full grown american people and topped off I can hold 15,000 on one engine, well, or as long as my leg holds out. cg It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. Reinhard

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How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil.

The Aztec would burn considerably more than 8-10 GPH.  Probably closer to 25 GPH.  So we are talking about over 500 gallons.  The Aztec is a rather slow twin with a pair of 250 HP flat engines.  It is Pipers upscale Apache, just as the Beech Baron is the high power version of the Travelair. John

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What is the availability of av-gas in Russia. I hear that it’s non-existant. D.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks! How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil. If you stay below 10k feet, you will frequently find winds that are not too bad. You often find about 10 knots of help down low.. Under no circumstances would I start out with ANY headwind on that leg. Then you could make HNL in about 14-15 hrs in an Aztec. Taking a Baron to Fiji last year, I flew at 6K feet to HNL and did quite well. (13 hrs.) Fitting all that fuel into the plane is really not so difficult. There are professional tanking outfits that install ferry tanks in the cabin in a day. You are certainly correct when you adress the oil issue. It is absolutely essential that you know the oil consumption of your engines. And there is also a way to rig an oil replenishing setup to that you can add oil in flight. Reinhard

Reinhard is exactly right.  You notice in the original post that I did mention that it would take some fancy ferry tanks to get the fuel in! When my airplane flew across the Atlantic from Brazil to Cornwall, they added a special fancy ferry tank.  A 50 gallon drum on chocks where the back seat goes, with a wobble pump to pump fuel up into the wing tank. They recommended that you run the wing tank down to less than a quarter full before pumping fuel up to it.  They said watch the gauges so you do not overfill it and pump fuel overboard.   The also recommended the long distance power setting of 1800 RPM and 23 inches of manifold pressure.  That was supposed to get the fuel consumption down to 14.7 gallons per hour.  That gave a little over eight hours in the air.  At that power setting, you get 100 knots! Still wouldn’t make Honolulu! John

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

James, It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. The two longest legs are Oakland to Honolulu 2100 NM and from there you have another long leg, either HNL to Majuro, Marshall Islands, or HNL to Tarawa, Republic of Kiribati, the latter one being a good stop, but almost again as far as OAK-HNL. After that you can choose your legs more easily and they are considerably shorter. Reinhard

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James I think someone tried this in a twin.  Her name was Amelia something….. Sorrry, it was too easy to pass on  :-)

Like minds I guess, but I resisted.  Abacus.com has an add-on for MS Flight Simulator that follows her route.    It wasn’t/isn’t an easy flight. John J. Miller

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

Da Plane, Boss, Da Plane! (sorry, just couldn’t help myself) John Galban====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

I think someone tried this in a twin.  Her name was Amelia something….. Sorrry, it was too easy to pass on  :-) Jeff Oslick

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

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Check out http://www.calle.com/aviation/airports.cgi Allows you to specify departure, destination, range and speed, and displays a nice table and map of the results. Lots of material for dream flights… BTW you probably don’t want a totally deserted island; food, water, fuel, runway and women should be minimum requirements (the website allows you to specify 2 out of these 5 Eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

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Hello. Can anyone provide the genus/species of a mayfly currently hatching here in Vermont. The fly is white, emerges at dusk in large groups, essentially immediately turns into a spinner and kind of "dances" an inch or so above the surface.  They are really common, and I’m sure this is a really basic question… but I’d like to know. thanks. john

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Can anyone provide the genus/species of a mayfly currently hatching here in Vermont. The fly is white, emerges at dusk in large groups, essentially immediately turns into a spinner and kind of "dances" an inch or so above the surface.  They are really common, and I’m sure this is a really basic question… but I’d like to know.

Perhaps Ephoron leukon.  It must be too late for Potamanthus. Photographs of both are probably in Swisher/Richards or Caucci/Nastasi. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Can anyone provide the genus/species of a mayfly currently hatching here in Vermont. The fly is white, emerges at dusk in large groups, essentially immediately turns into a spinner and kind of "dances" an inch or so above the surface.  They are really common, and I’m sure this is a really basic question… but I’d like to know.

John, It is the Ephoron leukon. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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 The fish key on those bad boys don’t they !  White seems to be a major trigger from my experience… — TimW Halfordian Golfer UNCLEJAMVT wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can anyone provide the genus/species of a mayfly currently hatching here in Vermont. The fly is white, emerges at dusk in large groups, essentially immediately turns into a spinner and kind of "dances" an inch or so above the surface.  They are really common, and I’m sure this is a really basic question… but I’d like to know. John, It is the Ephoron leukon. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone provide the genus/species of a mayfly currently hatching here in Vermont. The fly is white, emerges at dusk in large groups, essentially immediately turns into a spinner and kind of "dances" an inch or so above the surface.  They are really common, and I’m sure this is a really basic question… but I’d like to know. John, It is the Ephoron leukon. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

Hey there, Jim.  My son and I have been fishing the Winooski in the riffles above the tressle the last few days and when these white flies are out the place comes alive with "jumping" fish. We can dap, plunk cast, drag free float over these fish without a look. How do you sucessfully fish this "event"? BHB — Remove "send_no_spam_" from address for e-mail response. Barkley Bull =

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Hello. Can anyone provide the genus/species of a mayfly currently hatching here in Vermont. The fly is white, emerges at dusk in large groups, essentially immediately turns into a spinner and kind of "dances" an inch or so above the surface.

Dear John: Ephron Leukon: i.e. White Fly.  They were the 1st mayfly hatch documented in "the Colonies" by ole’ Tom J. himself Jason Beary

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  Hey there, Jim.  My son and I have been fishing the Winooski in the riffles above the tressle the last few days and when these white flies are out the place comes alive with "jumping" fish. We can dap, plunk cast, drag free float over these fish without a look. How do you sucessfully fish this "event"?

I don’t think the whitefly event is the only event going on.  The fish are definitely jumping up for the skittering egg layers, but there is also some emerger feeding for sure.  I don’t know it’s the same species or not.  The "dancing" egg-layer is definitely hard to imitate, but I’ve had some success with a White Wulff size 12 and 14.  In the riffles, the floats are pretty short anyway (before you get drag), so I guess it is kind of a dap and plunk.  I have had no success imitating the emerger event however.  Various wet flies have been working, but not during what seems to be a highly selective evening "event". For e-mail responses, remove the "Spam_Stopper_" from my return address before sending.

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Hey there, Jim.  My son and I have been fishing the Winooski in the riffles above the tressle the last few days and when these white flies are out the place comes alive with "jumping" fish. We can dap, plunk cast, drag free float over these fish without a look. How do you sucessfully fish this "event"?

White soft hackle….let swing and line tighten in the riffle….slowly(and I mean slowly) raise and lower the rod tip as if the emerger is trying to break the film, fails and tumbles back down.  Good luck. Interested to know how you do. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Is that YOU there?? I’ve been down lower in the pools (and up higher by the rocks..). Nice to cyberly meet you.  I can get a fish or 2 to take on a white dry (a little smaller than natural), but only at the VERY beginning of the hatch. Later a spinner (white, same size) fished dry with a twitch or two can get a take. BUT, I also think the main event is subsurface.  I’m going to try chucking a nymph (tied with a lighter-colored fluffier wing case) upstream from the hatch, letting it go dead drift into the rises (leaps!) and then bring it to the surface right in front of the fish. john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Hey there, Jim.  My son and I have been fishing the Winooski in the riffles above the tressle the last few days and when these white flies are out the place comes alive with "jumping" fish. We can dap, plunk cast, drag free float over these fish without a look. How do you sucessfully fish this "event"? I don’t think the whitefly event is the only event going on.  The fish are definitely jumping up for the skittering egg layers, but there is also some emerger feeding for sure.  I don’t know it’s the same species or not.  The "dancing" egg-layer is definitely hard to imitate, but I’ve had some success with a White Wulff size 12 and 14.  In the riffles, the floats are pretty short anyway (before you get drag), so I guess it is kind of a dap and plunk.  I have had no success imitating the emerger event however.  Various wet flies have been working, but not during what seems to be a highly selective evening "event".

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SNIP . How do you sucessfully fish this "event"? White soft hackle….let swing and line tighten in the riffle….slowly(and I mean slowly) raise and lower the rod tip as if the emerger is trying to break the film, fails and tumbles back down.  Good luck. Interested to know how you do.

I think this is good advice. Ive been near the trestle several days this last week and these fish are either jumping clear and taking spinners 2-3" above the surface (exciting to watch) OR are working benaeth the surface. Dun or spinner floating are simply refused (at least in my experience). THis limits me, at least, to an emerger. BUT, If anyone knows how to keep a spinner 2" above the surface and never land it, Id like to take lessons!! john

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these fish are either jumping clear and taking spinners 2-3" above the surface (exciting to watch) OR are working benaeth the surface. Dun or spinner floating are simply refused (at least in my experience). THis limits me, at least, to an emerger. BUT, If anyone knows how to keep a spinner 2" above the surface and never land it, Id like to take lessons!!

Simple! Capture a half-dozen or so of the duns, and leash them to your fly using strands of hair. Chuck the whole rig out there and PRESTO!…your fly lifts off the surface. Tiny choke collars are helpful in case your team spooks. Try not to lose too many flies, or you’ll soon be bald. If you’re already bald, bring a hairy friend along. Don’t bring your S.O. or children, unless you think they’d look good bald. Best not attempted among bats, martins, swallows, etc. Best not attempted. *NOTE TO THE HUMOR-IMPARED, WHICH MAY INCLUDE ME* Sorry for the joke, but I couldn’t resist. I know there are folks out there trying to crack this hatch, and it can be a tough one, like many fall (i.e., low-flow) hatches. I don’t think it helps that the bright white naturals are *really* visible to the fish, making an imitation stand apart all the more. Try fishing faster water if possible. I used to fish this hatch on West Canada Creek near Herkimer NY, (featured in one of those gawd-damn magazines recently) and had *some* luck using a pure white parachute, although I did have my share of refusals. Of course, the fish I caught could have been hopped up on goofballs and not known any better;-) Dave

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 Cast into a bush ?  take david copperfield along with you ?  helium filled wing-pads ? telekenesis ?  Inquiring minds want to know !!! — TimW Halfordian Golfer FarAndFine wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ever hear of the "blow fly technique"?  Read Borgers ‘Presentation’ and you’ll learn how to kee a fly two feet above the water without ever landing it.  No kidding.

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Ever hear of the "blow fly technique"?  Read Borgers ‘Presentation’ and you’ll learn how to kee a fly two feet above the water without ever landing it.  No kidding.

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    Dave Best not attempted among bats, martins, swallows, etc. I almost caught a swallow once during a thick hatch of large Light Cahills.  My #12 was floating on a placid stretch, just getting to the point where a brown was rising, when a swallow swooped out of nowhere, picked it off the water, carried it about 10 feet downstream (past where the trout was, BTW), and dropped it.  I still wonder what it would have been like had that swallow hooked itself.  =8-O Cheers, — Dave Guertin

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  Dave Best not attempted among bats, martins, swallows, etc. I almost caught a swallow once during a thick hatch of large Light Cahills.  My #12 was floating on a placid stretch, just getting to the point where a brown was rising, when a swallow swooped out of nowhere, picked it off the water, carried it about 10 feet downstream (past where the trout was, BTW), and dropped it.  I still wonder what it would have been like had that swallow hooked itself.  =8-O Cheers,

      We were in the Pecos last weekend, my son was fishing the cowels pond at dusk. He had two "creatures" flying around him and following his casts. One finally caught the fly on the backstroke and he slammed it into the pond. He said he caught a bird but I got to looking at them fly around, short bodies, no tail. I told him thats not a bird, that’s a bat! "Whoa! I caught a Bat!" he said "That’s sweet!" BTW he was using a #12 elk hair caddis, bat bait!

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I caught a swallow on a #12 elk hair caddis near the Lyons bridge on the Madison about five years ago….  in the presence of a conservation officer for Montana Fish Wildlife and Parks.  

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The Ephoron hatch is impressive. I fished it several times this year with good success.  If you watch the duns emerge, you should notice that they struggle to get our of their shuck, do a little tumble, and than are in the air. The hatch starts slow, with flies flying close to the water surface.   Next you see the trout trying to take the fly in mid-air.  I have tried a almost presentation; make a few false casts low over the area you have seen a fish, than with your final cast stop the fly about 2 feet above the water and let it float to the surface.  The take is sometimes in the air and sometimes as the fly touches the water, or sometimes nothing—— them just as they get to the surface or as they struggle to get out of their shuck.  The pattern that has worked the best for me and my fishing buddy JM, is the Usual – size #14.  Also, try a emerger with a trailing shuck of Zelon, white dubbed body, and a short wing/thich thorax, the wing can be snowshoe rabbit or Zelon. JWTrout

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I’ll be in Andros fishing for bones 2/21. Any hot patterns beside the usual Gotchas and Crazy Charlies?

Lefty likes charteruse/white Clousers. Some are using smaller, light colored crabs. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I’ll be in Andros fishing for bones 2/21. Any hot patterns beside the usual Gotchas and Crazy Charlies?

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Hi Steve- I went bonefishing in Mexico a few weeks ago. Every single fish was caught on one of Craig Matthews (Blue Ribbon Flies, W. yellowstone) patterns called "Bonefish Bitters". The fly lands very gently, doesn’t spook fish, and they gobbled it up! It was originally called "Pop’s Bonefish Bitters" but there are a number of variations. It is very easy to tie, but would be hard to explain in print.  I would get a copy of Dick Borwn’s book "Bonefish Fly Patterns". It has many dozens of good patterns including Bonefish Bitters. Or call Craig at Blue Ribbon Flies. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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My wife and I are looking for a good lodge to use as a base for weekend of FF. We would like something in Western Pa and are willing to go as far east as Potter County.  Any Ideas would be appreciated. Thanks Marc Bloch

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My wife and I are looking for a good lodge to use as a base for weekend of FF. We would like something in Western Pa and are willing to go as far east as Potter County.  Any Ideas would be appreciated. Thanks Marc Bloch

I don’t know about the availability of lodges but the fishing in Tioga County   is great.  My family has a cabin near Wellsboro.  Fishing the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon  (ie.  Pine Creek ) was some of the better fishing that I’ve done   in a long while.  Best of luck.   Dave

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Try Big Moores Run lodge near Coudersport, PA.  They have several miles of Big Moores Run divided into beats. They also have some lake fishing for 1-3# average size rainbows and browns.  They allow float tubing.  The lodge itself is an Orvis endorsed lodge.

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