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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed.

Have you heard of birth control by aspirin? You tell your daughter to put the aspirin between here knee’s and hold it there. Bert

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

As it should be. — Harry Krause I’m gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris. I’ve read-I understand reality. If you’re asking me as the president, would I understand reality, I do. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.  Jim I sure as hell hope so.

Lugnut’s one of your kinda folks, Karl. — Harry Krause Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be.

Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion. As it should be. Someone I guess should have aborted Harry. In my opinion there is no difference between Harry and Hitler. pilot

Obviously, your opinion is worthless. — Harry Krause We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.-GW Bush.

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When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive.    :-)<< — Sir Spamalot

I thought I’d leave that for somebody else to say.  <chuckle

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie

When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician.

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Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not

worth shit, as any economist would tell you.<< — Igor Correct.  You can’t stop teenagers from screwing, so churches shouldn’t stop them from learning about birth control.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President.<< — Peggie When Gebhardt was in college, he called himself Rich Gebhardt, but I guess that wasn’t appropriate for a Democrat politician. His present name is so much more descriptive.    :-)

You think drain-bamaged Waterlogged will ever learn to spell Dick’s last name? — Harry Krause I think we agree, the past is over. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.  Jim

I sure as hell hope so. — — http://www.denninger.net    Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY!

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary? THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus  regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on.

Wow. The Konservative Repub extremists are so nervous about Hillary now they’re calling out their neo-Nazi brothers, in the form of Covington and his putrid organization and even viler followers. I have it from The Source that an interracial couple fornicating is more likely to enter heaven than any of these Nazi pigs. White folks, black folks, brown folks, striped folks are all the same. Some just have a better tan than others. — Harry Krause More and more of our imports are coming from overseas. -GW Bush

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What’s the difference.  Thanks to your ilk, parents don’t have to be notified if she gets an abortion.

  The pendulum will swing back over the next four years. Our laughs on Harry are just beginning.   Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – * * Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white * fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to * abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the * whole deal. * * One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age * marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, * during and after statistics. This is not surprising. Religious bullshit and "pledges" are not worth shit, as any economist would tell you. The only things that work as deterrents are what raises the cost of the behavior. E.g., if those teenagers did not expect to be subsidized for having babies, or if divorces were costly for those who initiate them, then you would expect reduced incidence of these behaviors. I am not passing judgments on whether it is a good thing to make divorces harder. (I lean towards thinking that it would not be a good thing) But if you want to make them harder, you should do it through cost and not "pledges".

I don’t believe your econometric model of teen-age sexuality holds water. I don’t believe the teens expected to be subsidized for having babies, nor do I think your proposal of a high price for getting a divorce ticket punched is the answer. A person more rational than the fundie church leaders who wanted to lower the rate of teen pregnancies and alleviate the pressure on young teens to marry in order to satisfy their glands might suggest classroom programs that start early and teach in increasing detail the mechanics and nuances of human sexuality, impregnation and disease prevention. Teens are going to have sex, no matter what. The responsible thing is to make sure they know what they are doing, that they know how to protect themselves from disease and that they know how to use condoms. Unfortunately in many communities realistic classes on sexuality cannot be taught because of the objections of the fundies.   Harry Krause I’ve been talking to Vicente Fox, the new president of Mexico… I know him… to have gas and oil sent to U.S…. so we’ll not depend on foreign oil… -GW Bush

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?  Hillary?  Is this it? Who’s

there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?<< — Jim Don’t worry – there’s somebody out there who will emerge when needed.  Here’s a little story for you: A guy I knew had worked on a few national war games that involved Congressmen, Senators, administration officials, and people from state governments.  He told me that every time the simulation got to where the entire Washington crowd was wiped out and everything was in disarray, some state’s governor would step forward,  organize the "survivors," and save the country. I asked my friend several times to identify these governors, but he would never tell me. The point is that it happens.

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Weeelll…Dick Gebhardt would kill to be President. He stepped aside this time to support the Vice President’s bid. Watch him carefully in the next 3 years… Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election Frank

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?   Is this it? Who’s there now to carry the torch for a badly beaten and low morale Democrat Party?   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election

  Until the next election I’ll see about 10K back in taxes each year.   Gun shows will be left alone finally.   Microsoft gets off the hook.   Bye-bye Comrade Reno   Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing.   A well-equipped fighting nation once again.   Yep. Four years will be a good start.   Jim

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We have a president who isn’t very bright and likes to drink. I think a good smirking contenance should count for something. After all he did win 5 to 4 and got 100% of the black vote according to last nights TV. I think a guy named Long Dong or something put the spin on it on another station. He seemed to know the family too. I am still trying to understand the difference between spin and lies and have decided it is according to who you are for. Until the next election   Until the next election I’ll see about 10K back in taxes each year.

Based upon a campaign promise? Doubtful.   Gun shows will be left alone finally.

I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action.   Microsoft gets off the hook.

I think Microsoft already is off the hook.   Bye-bye Comrade Reno

Comrade?   Perhaps a reduction in baby-killing.

Do you mean aborting a fetus? More likely a change in methodology and location, from a clean clinic and sterile instruments to back alleys and coathangers. Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?   A well-equipped fighting nation once again.

With budget proposals lower than Gore proposed, spent on a "fighting force" where the recruiting standards are being lowered on a regular basis? — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

  Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred.   Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb.   Pathetic.   Jim

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I wouldn’t bet on it. We’re sure to have a few more horrific teen/school shootouts, and the public will demand action.

  Funny how you blame guns. When they completely banned guns at airports the pilot of that Egyptian Air 767 simply dove the plane into the ocean killing hundreds.   It doesn’t take a gun to kill a lot of people, Harry. Kids can find out in 5 minutes how to mix fertilizer and diesel fuel together.   Banning guns is useless.   Jim

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?

We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter? We did. My wife taught her to keep her legs crossed. Eisboch

Good for you…it helps. Some years ago, after a large number of pregnancies, a big, mostly white fundie church in Jax cajoled its pre-teens and teens to publicly pledge to abstain from premarital sex. There were newspaper articles, TV features, the whole deal. One result? An even higher number of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, teen-age marriages and divorces. A disgruntled church member released the before, during and after statistics.   — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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Any Repubs here have a teen or pre-teen daughter?   Sure. We have raised all three with a strong belief that all life is sacred.   Leave it to Harry to trash Germans for killing Jews but supporting Americans who kill babies in the womb.   Pathetic.   Jim

Your comparison is idiotic and odious. Done at the appropriate time, what is aborted is a fetus, not a baby. — Harry Krause The fact that he relies on facts-says things that are not factual-are going to undermine his campaign. -GW Bush

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  Who do the democrats have now to rally behind?   Hillary?

THE ROAD NOT TAKEN by Harold A. Covington I have received several requests to expand on my comments in the last Invictus  regarding the Northwest Migration idea. Since it’s not going to be part of NF policy, on the grounds that it will simply never fly, I suppose I might as well have my say and get the topic out of the way early on. I want to begin by reprinting an article I passed out on NSNet a few weeks ago, an article that got some agitated responses along the line of, "Why are you sending us this depressing stuff?" The contents of this piece clearly frightened some people, and with reason. It is terrifying. We are headed for the Camp of the Saints and now even the Establishment news media can no longer conceal that fact. United States Changing in Surprising Ways By LaBarbara Bowman The browning of America is no longer speculation. It is happening in the West and  South; but it is uneven in the country, even in single states. What  do the numbers say? The United States is splitting apart north and south again, 134 years after  the end  of the Civil War. Wide swaths of the Northeast, Midwest and Rocky Mountain states are becoming  whiter as an arc of states from North Carolina to California become browner or increasingly minority. Minority populations are growing in communities along the East,  West and Gulf coasts. That’s the message from well-known demographics experts Harold "Bud" Hodgkinson, director of the Center for Demographic Policy, Institute for Educational Leadership in Alexandria, Va., who spoke at ASNE’s April convention, and Hazel Reinhardt, a consultant based in Minneapolis who specializes in demographics, market analysis and strategic direction. Some interesting trends: *Sometime this year, white people in Santa Clara County, California, the heart of  ilicon Valley, will find themselves a minority. Hispanics, Asians and blacks will represent 51 percent of the population. *California will become the first majority-minority state in 2000. Texas will reach this status about 2010. *By 2050 whites-those with no Hispanic heritage, will become a minority in the United States for the first time in history. *43 percent of all Asian Americans live in three metropolitan areas: Los Angeles, New York City and San Francisco.  Hispanics will become the largest minority in the United States in 2010. What is fueling these amazing changes? Immigration and the aging of the white population. The Immigrants Have Changed Just look at the immigration figures. Between 1951 and 1960, more than half  of U.S. immigrants came from Europe, compared with 24.6 percent from Latin America an 6.1 percent from Asia. Those numbers have changed dramatically.  Now, Latin American immigrants lead the pack with 39 percent, Asians have  grown to a whopping 36.2 percent, while Europeans have fallen to 18.2 percent  of U.S. immigrants. (See chart on facing page.)  Immigrants, for example, are the only reason New York state has even a paltry  one percent growth. Dominicans have been particularly important in New York City’s changes, for example. William H. Frey, a demographer at the Population Studies Center at the University  of Michigan, is blunt in his assessment: "The ongoing growth in the numbers of Hispanics and Asians in large gateway metros (such as New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco),  and the domestic migration of blacks to the South and whites to the South and West, indicate that most communities lack true racial and ethnic diversity." Frey wrote this in an article called The Diversity Myth, published in the  June 1998 issue of American  Demographics magazine. Of 3,142 U.S. counties, well over half -1,711-are at least 90  percent white, according to Frey. That means the nation has few real "melting pot" communities. In 1996, whites were a minority in 226 counties (about 7 percent). Most minorities-95 percent of Asians, 91 percent of Hispanics and 85 percent of  blacks-lived near large cities. Furthermore, certain regions of the United States-the  West and South particularly-had large percentages of certain minority populations. (See  map on facing page.) New Opportunities Seen Latino teen-agers are of emerging interest to marketers. American Demographics  reports that in the last six months two magazines have launched: *Latingirl, a fashion and beauty publication for teen-age girls. *SuperOnda, which mean SuperWave, a career magazine for young Hispanic adults.  Latina was the first magazine aimed at this growing teen audience and its  pocketbooks. Why? Hispanic teen-agers now make up 13.6 percent of all teens-4.3 million,  according to American Demographics. In six years, Latino teens will comprise the largest  minority teen group in the country. In addition, the number of Hispanic teens will grow at  more than three times  the rate of the general teen population within the next six years, according to American Demographics. Overall, the teen population will grow 7.3 percent, while the number of Hispanic teens will grow a whopping 25.8 percent. Hispanic teens are also big spenders, reports American Demographics. They fork out an average of $375 a month, 7.8 percent more than the average teen does, according to Teenage Research Unlimited. Newspaper Reactions What are newspapers doing about these mega-population shifts? Three years ago  the San Jose (Calif.) Mercury News launched Nuevo Mundo, a weekly Spanish-language  newspaper. This year it will turn a profit, publisher Jay Harris, told the ASNE convention  in April. Advertisers include Macy’s, J.C. Penney, Nordstrom, Sears and American Airlines. In January, the Mercury News launched Viet Mercury, a weekly aimed at the area’s mushrooming Vietnamese population. Twelve weeks after launch, distribution was  30 percent higher than expected, with annual revenues expected in the seven-figures,  Harris said. Newsday has launched Hoy for its growing Hispanic market. The San  Francisco Examiner launched the New City project to carefully track the direct and indirect  impacts of the city’s changing demographics. "These new communities will have some primary source of information in the future. The question is whether it will be us, or now-unknown competitors who fill the clear need we failed to address," Harris said. "They are our future." They are also our future, unless of course we do something about it. Now begins  the old plaintive cry of "But Harold, what can we do besides…well, besides THAT? Yes, we all know we should be doing THAT, and we all know it ain’t gonna happen. So given that we  will not make the one response which is called for above all else, there’s just nothing else we can do about all this!" Well, you see, guys, actually, there is something we could do about it all besides, er, "that". We could create our own country. It has been done before, more than once. What the hell do you think our ancestors  were doing when they got on those leaky wooden sailing ships from Europe? The Jews themselves have done it, within living memory. We could do it exactly as the Jews did, beginning in 1898 when they laid out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Basle, Switzerland at the First World Zionist Congress. We could select a parcel of land-the American Northwest will do nicely-and then we could all actually GO THERE, take it over by a lifetime of hard work and struggle using whatever means came to hand, and finally liberate it politically from the control of the United States and create our own sovereign  Aryan nation, a nation which will some day become strong enough to kick down the door  and take back all of North America. COULD such a thing be done, assuming leadership, luck, courage, and perseverance? Absolutely. WILL it be done? No. Please understand, this article is not a "trial balloon" and Harold is not fishing around for permission to move back to Seattle or any such thing. When I say this will not  be done, I am speaking the painful and tragic truth. It is by now obvious that we are not  going to avail ourselves of this, the only strategy which does in fact offer some remote chance that we might see some results in our lifetime. I understand that, and I accept it. As I said earlier, I am simply going to have my say on this matter now to get it out of the way,  and then I will shut up about it. THE COLONIAL WAR: A PROVEN PLAN I have stated before that within certain very narrow and limited parameters, certain historical parallels do in fact apply to our present situation, most notably the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 and the Irish War of Independence from 1916 to 1921.  (The Weimar Germany situation of the 1930s is in no way whatsoever currently relevant to anything in the contemporary White American experience. That may change, but only in the event of a cataclysmic economic collapse, which is nowhere on the horizon. We saw last month that our Lords and Masters have no intention of allowing the present demented stock market to crash. But I digress.) If we admit the Northwest idea as part of our calculations, something I no longer bother to do since I know it to be futile, there is a third parallel, the formation of the state of Israel, as distasteful as we may find the people involved. There are also other parallels down throughout the past century in the form of African and Asian colonial wars. We tend to disregard these examples because of our own antipathy for non-Whites, our own reluctance to admit that non-Whites could "beat" White armies, and also because many of these situations are admittedly very ambiguous in other ways, politically and economically. It is, for example, rather difficult legitimately to describe as revolution a coup d’

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward.

Maybe they’re remembering the last nice fish you caught. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Never ever lose their memory hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Maybe they’re remembering the last nice fish you caught. The bonito?

Yeah, that’s the one. What did it go?  Two, three pounds? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Never ever lose their memory hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Maybe they’re remembering the last nice fish you caught.

The bonito? Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid."  …I said that.

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The bonito? Yeah, that’s the one. What did it go?  Two, three pounds?

Well, if you tie a 3 lb. bonito tail to tail with a 10 lb. trout, my bet is on the bonito!!!:) Lloyd Heilbrunn

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Which style line is it?  When did you get it? what kind of waters do you fish with it?  These conditions may have som bearing on the lines’ perfomance.  I fish for bass and pickerel in NJ where the water temperatures ranges from 50 to 85 degrees.  Actually I have noted no difference in the line’s coiling and tangling properties. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts. Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid."  …I said that.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.   I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.

I’ve not had those problems with an Airflo 4wt Long Belly. Mu

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm. I ike my  7 wt. forward. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid."  …I said that.

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I second the trashing of the Airflow lines.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 12 years, but for the last 2 years I’ve been ff about 4-5 times a week. I’ve used the Airflo Delta and Bass lines:  they suck terribly.  Never ever lose their memory (when in Florida I stretched a line around my garage and left it in the 100 degree heat for 24 hours, and it still retained its memory coil) and they are sure to tangle on at least 25 to 50% of your casts.  Even the cheapest Cortlands (333) and SAs are far better. Adam

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Hello Ken, This is something I’ve been doing quite a bit in the last couple of years. I’m certainly no expert, but here are a few thoughts.. For tackle I recommend a fairly stiff 8 weight rod with a Lamson reel.  You can get away with Pfleuger or a Scientific Angler but they’ll require more care and aren’t as smooth.  Use 20 lb. dacron backing.  Nothing your going to hook is going to run that far.  Even a big red usually stays within 100 yds of where he was hooked so you don’t need Bonefish gear. This rig will handle bass, redfish, speckled trout and the occasional flounder.  You’ll have to deal with wind.  Just the way it goes.  Try the Scientific Anglers Mastery series Wind Cheater line.  Helps a bit.  I also use a slow sinking line a lot and it’s a bit easier to cast into the wind.  I’d go with the Wind Cheater to start with.  Takes some of the edge off of being a beginner. The single most effective lure for me is a chartreuse/white Clouser minnow. Works on Reds and Specks under most circumstances.  Later you can go with some crab patterns for Reds and some Seaducers and Leftys Deceivers for Specks. Don’t discount Crazy Charlies either.. great under the lights for Specks. There are other patterns.. Roadkills, different shrimp imitations, but if you head out with half-a-dozen Clousers and a couple or lighter streamers, you’ll handle most of what you encounter. Is this what you wanted to know? Andy Schreckenghost Houston TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to fly fishing and in need of information for fishing in the coastal bend.  For instance reel and rod recommendations.  I hear that the wind is a consideration when fishing in the bay. I would appreciate any information. Thank you, Ken Clay

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I am new to fly fishing and in need of information for fishing in the coastal bend.  For instance reel and rod recommendations.  I hear that the wind is a consideration when fishing in the bay. I would appreciate any information. Thank you, Ken Clay

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you.

I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose…

OUCH!  I think I’d rather be hanged.  :-)      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Aloha Bob, Feather-Craft Fly Fishing of St. Louis has one of these in their catalog: Item 621. FLYFISH NECK LANYARD features a super-comfortable neck pad with a dual break away design (no way to hang yourself in this one). Four swivel snaps … yadda yadda yadda. A must for float tubers ! and so on and so forth. http://www.flyfishamerica.com/Ads/National/FeatherCraft98JF.html — Ken Fortenberry

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You’re an animal Timbo Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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one question…. where do you hang your priest? waldo

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I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left.

    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty. JE

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one question…. where do you hang your priest?

Why would I need two ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken If I remember right they have a fairly low test breaking point built in.

              Jim

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[deleted]    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty.

How was Delaney ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Well I made mine with some fishing beads and other beads and some snaffles for casting tackle.  Of course if you want to pay $30 to 40 bucks,…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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They’re called lanyards.  I’ve seen them used in the salt and by some steelhead guides.  Make one. Use a piece of wire leader mtl., about 60+lb; cut some 2"/3" pieces of thin vinyl tubing.  Slip on a clip, a pc of tubing, a clip, tubing, etc..  Put the cable together with crimp sleeves, cover it with a pc of vinyl and go fish. BTW; make the thing big enough that you can pull your head out of it if it got caught on something.  Heard of a fellow…Ah, long story. BB

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I usually wear my best pearl string. But if you ask the ‘dudes’ out here they’ll tell you they usually wear a snot covered faded bandana. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. Aloha – bob    ooo_ — http://www.aloha.net/~bgraham

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Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Bob you naughty boy, don’t you know you can get leather thongs & beads at an arts & craft store  An alternative to leather is to use a boot lace. Lot’s of great stuff at the crafts stores BTW (for less than the cost at fly shops).  Speaking of beads, beading wire is useful for ribbing on nymphs.  Also available at craft stores are 5 mm pom poms for mini glo-bugs, 1/4" elastic for making leader spool tenders, doll eyes for streamers, etc.   Some bead stores are popping up at shopping malls; metallic alphabet beads to spell out your name or initials are a nice touch.  You can get the zingers and clippers at the fly shop.  I don’t like wearing my fishing necklace anymore since it tends to get in the way of my chest pack but if you wear a vest such a device can be very convenient. Mu Young Lee      Ann Arbor, MI   USA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed  poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls and was shocked to discover a flagrant case of discrimination, as opposed to a fragrant case of whiskey. In order to alleviate the almost fatal shock resulting from this discovery of unquieting enormity, I was obliged to partake of a further half bottle in order to steady my shattered faith in humankind, and restore my constitution and strengthen my unwavering resolve to continue my explorations. How is it sir that only colonials are admitted to your illustrious ranks, by whose decree is one of the highest possible honours ever to be bestowed on a grateful and undeserving multitude only available to members of a formal penal colony ? That juveniles may not be admitted to the glorious ranks is clear, and requires no further enlightenment, but I sir am an Englishman ! I beg you to reconsider your decision, as otherwise I will be forced to send her most regal majesties official diapproval, a tanker load of freeze dried tea,  and an expeditionary force to convince you of our basically peaceful intentions. We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy. Yours sincerely Michael A.B.Connor  Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

   Huh! (didn’t talk till 6, pointen worked jest fine)                                                                John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

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Truly the act of a desperate man. My gawd, I’ve got scotch like nobody’s business, but none of it’s the bird. Anything more expensive than Pete Dawson’s messes me up the morning after. Want some? —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNrB40ZdiUzdLFqlpAQEtvgf/RxrzL00kA35+K1jREtq+eN3IsCfj/EtD Z/F5e5+LjTkNmcMx/ztVxWqlmh7Eiw+yTbeeD1BOXaoFwlqRag8vbAUfHcmXT87A q6PTzOfrU20si/S8sJlYPmwr60mZrfwvlcrMTi5n97qLneppSQrG/lF2dPm0VL3I Bjh4TA4iS62MMx7ouBVWnGE/QQso1anrwSu33JfVHlKGfLQyTiGWM94r2SkOEg2z E1IrQFJCHWpL2cO49udHzsNc55+EVRWqGJyf/VNnMZpT9kxjw+Bk63+DW9EhfPMm aYifNpyGpHzfBQ55/1e9nNO37BeOvSwq0dh/rzzubp0jVg7/xnO0FA== =T2BU —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "I’m a liberal conservative. I believe in keeping things the way that  they should have been in the first place." -anon.

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Mike Medintz: <<—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy.

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Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life)

A.P., that’s what we need to really get ROFF going, and further irritate those who are complaining about content – drinking lessons. Based on your vast experience, I think you should start with a post or two about techniques for attacking the famous grouse. Mark Faulkner

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A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers

Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed  poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls and was shocked to discover a flagrant case of discrimination, as opposed to a fragrant case of whiskey. In order to alleviate the almost fatal shock resulting from this discovery of unquieting enormity, I was obliged to partake of a further half bottle in order to steady my shattered faith in humankind, and restore my constitution and strengthen my unwavering resolve to continue my explorations. How is it sir that only colonials are admitted to your illustrious ranks, by whose decree is one of the highest possible honours ever to be bestowed on a grateful and undeserving multitude only available to members of a formal penal colony ? That juveniles may not be admitted to the glorious ranks is clear, and requires no further enlightenment, but I sir am an Englishman ! I beg you to reconsider your decision, as otherwise I will be forced to send her most regal majesties official diapproval, a tanker load of freeze dried tea,  and an expeditionary force to convince you of our basically peaceful intentions. We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy. Yours sincerely Michael A.B.Connor  Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

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(Frogspritz) writes: Based on your vast experience, I think you should start with a post or two about techniques for attacking the famous grouse.

I’ll start. How to serve Famous Grouse. 1. Open Bottle 2. Get appropriate glass. 3. Pour Famous Grouse down the sink. 4. Pour into the glass an appropiate single malt scotch. 5. Enjoy! Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed  poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls Yours sincerely

(snip of hilarious stuff) Michael A.B.Connor  Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

        wonderfully done, michael!         damn near enough to turn you into an anglophile, isn’t it, taffy ol friend? wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though.

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I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though.

Tim, you actually believe we know how to fish? hell wayno’s gonna be cryin in his cabin most of the time mumbling "how did waldo sink that 30′ putt" between gulps of vodka. i’m gonna be runnin to the bank to deposit my winnings and george is gonna be screamin from his cabin "c’mon guys let me out" after we spike his door. some other nameless person will be tending to his animal husbandry. matt will be hungover, won’t be able to fish at all. tom will be playing with his loran equipment. mark will be chasing his southern dreams and wayne will be chasing other game. let’s see, that leaves big al and charlie…. imnsho, probaly damn good fishing pardners fer ya. apologies for any ruffled feathers and especially if i inadvertantly left someone out. –Wataugan "let the clave begin" Walt

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What the hell was that! Speak American, damn it! TWL         Big Al – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though. Tim, you actually believe we know how to fish? hell wayno’s gonna be cryin in his cabin most of the time mumbling "how did waldo sink that 30′ putt" between gulps of vodka. i’m gonna be runnin to the bank to deposit my winnings and george is gonna be screamin from his cabin "c’mon guys let me out" after we spike his door. some other nameless person will be tending to his animal husbandry. matt will be hungover, won’t be able to fish at all. tom will be playing with his loran equipment. mark will be chasing his southern dreams and wayne will be chasing other game. let’s see, that leaves big al and charlie…. imnsho, probaly damn good fishing pardners fer ya. apologies for any ruffled feathers and especially if i inadvertantly left someone out. –Wataugan "let the clave begin" Walt

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I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though.

*twitch!* ignore. *twitch, twitch* ignore I’m not biting! This monster is drifting down stream. the G fish —

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I mostly soak power bait in the High Sierras, but was always inquisitive about surface fishing. We stay at Silver Lake Resorts about 40 yards from Silver Lake near the boat launch area. (June Loop)  From our cabin you can see the lake and the trout are jumping like crazy first thing in the morning. Obviously they are surface feeding. I was thinking of using a clear plastic bubble with a little bit of water (for casting distance) with a 6 to 8 foot leader and some kind of fly or other bug..  Or 1/8 oz. Kastmaster with spots or Gold Panther Martin.  Have always excelled in soaking bait, but never really got into lures or surface fishing.  Any help would be really appreciated a.s.a.p. as we are leaving the 12th of September. Thx Garry     Good fishin’

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I mostly soak power bait in the High Sierras, but was always inquisitive about surface fishing. We stay at Silver Lake Resorts about 40 yards from Silver Lake near the boat launch area. (June Loop)  From our cabin you can see the lake and the trout are jumping like crazy first thing in the morning. Obviously they are surface feeding. I was thinking of using a clear plastic bubble with a little bit of water (for casting distance) with a 6 to 8 foot leader and some kind of fly or other bug..  Or 1/8 oz. Kastmaster with spots or Gold Panther Martin.  Have always excelled in soaking bait, but never really got into lures or surface fishing.  Any help would be really appreciated a.s.a.p. as we are leaving the 12th of September. Thx Garry     Good fishin’

A lure that I’ve had excellent results with is the Panther Martin in all silver.  Silver body, silver blade.  It works great.  Use the smaller sizes.   Good luck.   =)

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A lure that I’ve had excellent results with is the Panther Martin in all silver.  Silver body, silver blade.  It works great.  Use the smaller sizes.   Good luck.   =)

I havent had much luck with silver but gold blade w/gold or black bodys definately catch sierra planter trout. Dunno about surface fishing, I leave that for the fly guys. But I will occasionally mess with the bubble float fly rig with some luck. I wonder if trout will take topwater plugs? stev — stev_ix_netcom_com is a fake. Sorry, Im tired of all the crap I get in the mail.    

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in    clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

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If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in   clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

Excellant advise T-bone!!  I like someone who can find a reason to fish no matter what.  As my grandfather used to say: "… which would you rather do… or go fishing?" Jack Wheeler

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o  What are the major rivers/other opportunities

You’ll be nearest the upper Colorado River in the Kremmling/Hot Springs area. o  How far are they from Winter Park

Roughly 30 or 45 minutes. o  What are the likely conditions

Runoff varies from year to year.  If the rest of the Winter’s mild, late June should be OK.  Check river conditions at: http://www.infosphere.com/rof/yp/RFAnglers/rfa.htm That’s Glenwood Springs, but it should give you some idea (there are other river flow sources on the Web). o  Who’s the leading outfitter/guide service

Sorry, I’m not familiar with outfitters in that area. o  What’s worth traveling to for an overnight

Again, check out the website above… M

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I am new to this group so don’t know if there are other groups where this msg would be better posted.  Any suggestions regarding that would be appreciated. I am organizing a trip to Boundary Waters Canoe Area in MN for the end of July, 1996.  There will be 4 adults and 8 Boy Scouts in the age range 13-15.  All the kids are experienced campers and have at least some experience canoeing.  I have not been to BWCA before and would appreciate any words of wisdom that those with experience might have to offer.  Our current plan is to use Isabella Lake (Pt 35) as the entry point.  We will be on the lakes from 7/22/96 through 7/27/96.  We have already received our reservation confirmation from the Forest Service. One specific question I have regards water filtration systems.  What is the current state-of-the-art?  What should I consider? My ISP doesn’t keep msg for this newsgroup very long and I am afraid I might miss posted responses.  e-mail responses would me most appreciated. Tim: I don’t have any experience with boundary waters but I did take my troops venture crew into Algonquin Park last year for a week long canoe trip. I would expect that the water system we used might be of help to you. We took three PUR scout water purifers with the charcoal filters. One was personal gear and was kept in reserve. The other to were asigned to each of the patrols. We selected the PUR’s for two reasons. First they are purifers ie have an iodine matrex inside the filtering element. Second , ther price. About $60 (US) Their rated service life is about 200 gallons(US) per unit. These worked very well for us. As to other newsgroups where you mighrt post to, Have you trie rec.scouting. If you can tolerate all the BSA political threads, it a good newsgroup to check out. Hope this is of some help to you. Bill Schooley T-391 Hamburg, Mi.

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I am new to this group so don’t know if there are other groups where this msg would be better posted.  Any suggestions regarding that would be appreciated. I am organizing a trip to Boundary Waters Canoe Area in MN for the end of July, 1996.  There will be 4 adults and 8 Boy Scouts in the age range 13-15.  All the kids are experienced campers and have at least some experience canoeing.  I have not been to BWCA before and would appreciate any words of wisdom that those with experience might have to offer.  Our current plan is to use Isabella Lake (Pt 35) as the entry point.  We will be on the lakes from 7/22/96 through 7/27/96.  We have already received our reservation confirmation from the Forest Service. One specific question I have regards water filtration systems.  What is the current state-of-the-art?  What should I consider? My ISP doesn’t keep msg for this newsgroup very long and I am afraid I might miss posted responses.  e-mail responses would me most appreciated. Thanks in advance for any responses! — ——      X      Tim C. Perry    T/cP    DSA, Inc.             314-576-5101

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It has been several years since we went to BWCA.  You will really enjoy.   I don’t recall your entry point.  Good TOPO’s are helpful.  We found many of their maps were poorly done.  Be prepared for possible T-shorms.  It can put scouts through some weather stress because you can see storms coming for quite some time.  The water you cross can be big and quite choppy depending on the days.  The water is/was close to pottable so purifier shjould be satisfactory.  Don’t expect to carry the canoe and your packs together on the portages.  Plan several trips back and forth.   Some can be long. Very serious about the maps though.  It is easy to get disoriented on the water.  Be open to second guessing yourself. But you should have a great trip–We loved it there.  I intend to take our kids there again.  It is a great wilderness experience.  Take your fishing gear. Since your canoeing and not backpacking you can pack a bit of extra gear.  I suggest you make some bread.  The aroma in camp in the morning is unparalleled. PS be prepared for sketters and you may still be in black fly season.

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Anyone have any tips on flyfishing for Mooneye in the Caledonia, Cayuga area of the Grand River. Many Thanks in Advance — gp

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Anyone have any tips on flyfishing for Mooneye in the Caledonia, Cayuga area of the Grand River.

My experience on the Ottawa R. has been: 1 — can be caught only when rising to some sort of a hatch (otherwise live deep, it seems.) 2 — need fine tippets and matching at least size of natural. 3 — feed in schools but are easily scared;  when you wade towards a school they sheer off;  you have to wait until they come within casting range. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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My schedule will allow a trip to Northern California the first or second week of November.  How does the McCloud fish during this time(AH DI NAH)? Hatches? Flies?  What should I expect in the way of weather. Other suggestions for a week this time of year trout-bumming around? Reed Guice

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My schedule will allow a trip to Northern California the first or second week of November.  How does the McCloud fish during this time(AH DI NAH)? Hatches? Flies?  What should I expect in the way of weather. Other suggestions for a week this time of year trout-bumming around? Reed Guice

Reed  It has been my experience that it will rain, hatches will be small if at all.and HUGE browns will eat sculpins till Midnight !! It may be late for most bugs,maybe a few Fall Caddis, Baetis etc .I think the season close’s the 15th so check.   Harry

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Ah, the McCloud River.  The season closes 11/15.  Stonefly nymphs, orange stimulators for the Oct Caddis, adams 14, glo bugs, orange soft hackles, bead head caddis olive and orange will all work well.  There hasn’t been much of the famed Oct Caddis hatch so far because it hasn’t really gotten cold yet.  Early Nov could be perfect.  Of course there is a computer game called Fly Fishing the McCloud River that I saw in Orvis SF that would probably tell you exactly what will be going on in November Big Rock

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