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The majority of the people here on ROFF involved in the incredible amount of bickering are looking like morons, and yes I aught to know. ROFF is like a classroom full of highschool girls who talk and talk and talk but don’t seem to DO anything about it. All of you who are tossing insults from behind your nice safe computer keyboard thinking you sound tough… well, you don’t, you sound like pansies, because most of you don’t have the courage to say those things face to face. If you are really that insulted or irate, get on a fricken airplane and have it out. Otherwise, please shut up. PLEASE.
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… Otherwise, please shut up. PLEASE.
Please accept my heartfelt apologies, Mr. Salad, for any bickering in this newsgroup which may have impeded your ability to post a trip report, a tackle review or a query about fly fishing. Rest assured, your scathing commentary has cut us, all of us, to the quick, and we humbly await your further instructions on what is meet and proper. — Ken Fortenberry
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Please accept my heartfelt apologies, Mr. Salad, for any bickering in this newsgroup which may have impeded your ability to post a trip report, a tackle review or a query about fly fishing. ..apology accepted. Please accept my apology for believing that childish whining equals off topic posting.
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Please accept my apology for believing that childish whining equals off topic posting.
No problemo, but please prefix the subject line with "OT:" the next time you feel inclined to post. /daytripper (hth 
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The majority of the people here on ROFF involved in the incredible amount of bickering are looking like morons, and yes I aught to know.
AH-HA! So YOU are the "King of the Morons"…I was wondering just who it was, and suspected he might just be hangin’ around ROFF…and just why weren’t you right in thick of it? Pansy! Pansy! ROFF is like a classroom full of highschool girls who talk and talk and talk but don’t seem to DO anything about it.
Highschool girls? HIGHSCHOOL GIRLS? HEY, LOOK BUDDY, I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION – er, where is wayno? All of you who are tossing insults from behind your nice safe computer keyboard thinking you sound tough… well, you don’t, you sound like pansies, because most of you don’t have the courage to say those things face to face.
Oh, shoot, Mark, we can’t ALL be as tough and rugged as you’d like…heck, some of us are barely able to get our thin, pale, and sickly fingers to move across the keyboard, and now, you want actual physical violence…you, sir, are a meany! Heck, why just last week, as I was beating "The Rock" into a bloody pulp for suggesting that I had, perhaps, forgotten my manners and not held my pinkie properly during elevensies, I thought to myself, "you know, I’m getting much too old for this. It’d be so much easier to simply go and screw around with them wimps (hey, you say "pansy," I say "wimps," but let’s call the whole thing off…topic…or A CAGE MATCH TO DEATH!!!) on ROFF"…when I had to put him into "The Double Suplex Sleeping Clawraker" for not passing the biscuits fast enough, I decided: ATTACK! ATTACK!! If you are really that insulted or irate, get on a fricken airplane and have it out. Otherwise, please shut up. PLEASE.
Well, shoot, bubba, post your addy, and see who (or what) might show up…I know ol’ Rock is spoiling for a real throw-down, and he ain’t up to foolin’ with me no more…’coursin, if you wanna to come on over, I’ll be happy to confuse you in person, all live and in technicolor… HTH, R
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DAMN! Busted!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No problemo, but please prefix the subject line with "OT:" the next time you feel inclined to post. /daytripper (hth
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The majority of the people here on ROFF involved in the incredible amount of bickering are looking like morons, and yes I aught to know. ROFF is like a classroom full of highschool girls who talk and talk and talk but don’t seem to DO anything about it. All of you who are tossing insults from behind your nice safe computer keyboard thinking you sound tough… well, you don’t, you sound like pansies, because most of you don’t have the courage to say those things face to face. If you are really that insulted or irate, get on a fricken airplane and have it out. Otherwise, please shut up. PLEASE.
Bring it on particle boy! Look up my address and book the flight…
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Please accept my apology for believing that childish whining equals off topic posting.
Apology accepted……not that it’s needed; you may feel free to whine whenever the urge strikes. Wolfgang
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The majority of the people here on ROFF involved in the incredible amount of bickering are looking like morons, and yes I aught to know. ROFF is like a classroom full of highschool girls who talk and talk and talk but don’t seem to DO anything about it. All of you who are tossing insults from behind your nice safe computer keyboard thinking you sound tough… well, you don’t, you sound like pansies, because most of you don’t have the courage to say those things face to face. If you are really that insulted or irate, get on a fricken airplane and have it out. Otherwise, please shut up. PLEASE.
Hmph! Don’t suppose you’d be interested in taking a plane to Milwaukee and saying that? If not, please shut up. Wolfgang apparently living in a world in which that really needs to be said from time to time……go figure.
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Milwaukee? As if I’d spend five minutes in THAT town. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmph! Don’t suppose you’d be interested in taking a plane to Milwaukee and saying that? If not, please shut up.
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Thanks for the invite. I don’t recall calling you out or talking smack on the newsgroup, but correct me if I’m wrong. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bring it on particle boy! Look up my address and book the flight…
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particle salad writes: Milwaukee? As if I’d spend five minutes in THAT town.
Candy ass!
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particle salad writes: Milwaukee? As if I’d spend five minutes in THAT town. Candy ass!
I spent 5 minutes in Milwaukee, I think. Depending, of course, if the section of I-90 on which I was travelling was actually inside the city limits. Didn’t see anything to make me want to return; though, to be fair, I probably wasn’t looking at the nicer part of the city. Kevin
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – particle salad writes: Milwaukee? As if I’d spend five minutes in THAT town. Candy ass! I spent 5 minutes in Milwaukee, I think. Depending, of course, if the section of I-90 on which I was travelling was actually inside the city limits. Didn’t see anything to make me want to return; though, to be fair, I probably wasn’t looking at the nicer part of the city. Kevin
You must be one of those Italian drivers, not looking in the rearview mirror and all…. TC, R
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Thanks for the invite. I don’t recall calling you out or talking smack on the newsgroup, but correct me if I’m wrong.
Well, your original post was talking smack, and I’m talking smack back. It’s a talk-back smack attack, Jack. It sounded like kind of a silly post considering that you were basically doing what you accused others of – "tossing insults from behind your nice safe computer keyboard." Therefore I didn’t take you seriously, and my reply wasn’t serious either. On the other hand, if you were serious, then come on over and Jeff Miller and I will give you at least 5 seconds of ass whuppin’ before we keel over and regretfully submit to your will. JeffC (hey, where ya goin guys? hey Jeff, come back, hey come on, stop kiddin’ around!)
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… then come on over and Jeff Miller and I will give you at least 5 seconds of ass whuppin’ before we keel over and regretfully submit to your will.
um…well…it’s kinda like this…i’ll do my 5 seconds worth, but i ain’t keelin over and submitting to nobody’s will cept maybe nicole kidman or gwyneth paltrow’s mom or… well, you know, that deliverance movie changed the way even some of us nobless oblige boys look at things… sure you understand. but, i’ll be right there to open the first beer in celebration…no matter who is right or wrong or the winner or left standin…but, i ain’t keelin and submittin. no sir. jeff
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … then come on over and Jeff Miller and I will give you at least 5 seconds of ass whuppin’ before we keel over and regretfully submit to your will. um…well…it’s kinda like this…i’ll do my 5 seconds worth, but i ain’t keelin over and submitting to nobody’s will cept maybe nicole kidman or gwyneth paltrow’s mom or… well, you know, that deliverance movie changed the way even some of us nobless oblige boys look at things… sure you understand. but, i’ll be right there to open the first beer in celebration…no matter who is right or wrong or the winner or left standin…but, i ain’t keelin and submittin. no sir. jeff
So, that’s one "keel and submit," and one "stand and deliver"…or rather, I guess, one "stand, and no "Deliverance"… TC, R …jus’ tryin’ to make sure my notes is accurate and all…
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Milwaukee? As if I’d spend five minutes in THAT town.
Four will do. Wolfgang
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – particle salad writes: Milwaukee? As if I’d spend five minutes in THAT town. Candy ass! I spent 5 minutes in Milwaukee, I think. Depending, of course, if the section of I-90 on which I was travelling was actually inside the city limits. Didn’t see anything to make me want to return; though, to be fair, I probably wasn’t looking at the nicer part of the city.
It’s a city. Got some good stuff and some bad stuff. If you stayed on 90 you DEFINITELY didn’t see the better parts of Milwaukee. :) Wolfgang
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considering that you were basically doing what you accused others of – "tossing insults from behind your nice safe computer keyboard."
Well, OK, if you want to go that way… I guess I was speaking more about those making personal insults, calling people out. I KNOW most of the people making those insults would NOT make them face to face.. that’s the thing that I find amusing, the talking tough part from a safe distance… On the other hand, if you were serious, then come on over and Jeff Miller and I will give you at least 5 seconds of ass whuppin’ before we keel over and regretfully submit to your will.
You’re wise to bring a friend… er, nevermind… 
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Hey at least they have beer… er, nevermind. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Milwaukee? As if I’d spend five minutes in THAT town. Four will do. Wolfgang
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My biggest problem in this is that I wouldn’t take this crap from anyone face to face and would probably be even more direct in person. Hence, my reluctance to walk away. However, given the obvious fact that some will never let go I have no other way of dealing with these things than by non response. I’m not good at it, I’ll be the first to admit, and I’ve tried and failed before, but I’m game to give it another go. Clark
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – considering that you were basically doing what you accused others of – "tossing insults from behind your nice safe computer keyboard." Well, OK, if you want to go that way… I guess I was speaking more about those making personal insults, calling people out. I KNOW most of the people making those insults would NOT make them face to face.. that’s the thing that I find amusing, the talking tough part from a safe distance… On the other hand, if you were serious, then come on over and Jeff Miller and I will give you at least 5 seconds of ass whuppin’ before we keel over and regretfully submit to your will. You’re wise to bring a friend… er, nevermind…
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My biggest problem in this is that I wouldn’t take this crap from anyone face to face and would probably be even more direct in person. Hence, my reluctance to walk away. However, given the obvious fact that some will never let go I have no other way of dealing with these things than by non response. I’m not good at it, I’ll be the first to admit, and I’ve tried and failed before, but I’m game to give it another go. Clark
That’s the spirit Clark! Hey, picture this: you work as an electrician and have been a fairly rugged sort most of your life, and one day on the job a masons-helper comes up to ya and says, "A fella told me you was queer, is it true?" So you say, "Yeah, it’s true, I’m gay. So what?" And he says, "No, really, are you queer?" And I say, (oops) and you say, "Yes it’s true! You wanna go out or somethin’?" Well, he just walks off scrathin’ his head, and you walk off knowin’ every swingin’ dick on the job is soon to believe you are gay. And I say, FUCK’EM IF THEY CAN’T TAKE A JOKE! Op –strictly heterosexually celibate–
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I hear you… I wouldn’t take that kind of crap face to face either, but you have to realize that those who are out there making all the spineless threats are usually the kind of people who feel powerless in all other areas of their lives.. and when they have the opportunity to act without fear of physical retribution, they suddenly feel brave. Go figure. I think you’re better off with the non response… or at least a stab at humor. Don’t let the weasels get to you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My biggest problem in this is that I wouldn’t take this crap from anyone face to face and would probably be even more direct in person. Hence, my reluctance to walk away. However, given the obvious fact that some will never let go I have no other way of dealing with these things than by non response. I’m not good at it, I’ll be the first to admit, and I’ve tried and failed before, but I’m game to give it another go.
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I hear you… I wouldn’t take that kind of crap face to face either, but you have to realize that those who are out there making all the spineless threats are usually the kind of people who feel powerless in all other areas of their lives.. and when they have the opportunity to act without fear of physical retribution, they suddenly feel brave. Go figure. I think you’re better off with the non response… or at least a stab at humor. Don’t let the weasels get to you.
Fuckin’ weasels! They’re everywhere. Op –whars ma varmit gun–
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snipped great stuff: A wonderful fight on the 4 wt ‘boo, but I was wishing I had the 6 wt to give me a little bit of umpf to fight the fish (I don’t hold to the lighter rod, better fighting ability theory but the bigger rod manhandle the fish theory). I eventually turned his head after making him fight his way upstream and landed him in the slack water. After a couple of quick pictures in the net and the alongside the rod, I released him. A splash from his tail was his final act of defiance before his departure.
You and Sacajaweah are in love, no? You and "bird woman?" ("Sacagawea") Sacajawea means "boat pusher or launcher" Sacajawea also in my mind’s eye (because I am an insatiable romantic) still means "Bird Woman" to me. She, of all women in America, is to me the greatest of all in our history. So . . . in a phrase, you went fishing with Bird Woman and she made you smile, a bit? Great post Warren. I mean it. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"
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A wonderful fight on the 4 wt
Yes indeed. My love of this rod is no secret and I have been eager for the changing of the seasons to get her back in the line up. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus
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:The fishing should be prime right now, just before Run Off, so you best get :those licks in ASAP. Spring is here, big man. I’ve been hitting the Snake almost :daily and it is stunning just how eager the fish are right now. Willi and I were talking about this earlier today. Over the last couple of weeks I have noticed quite a change in the behavior of our resident piscatorial neighbors. They are very eager to eat after a long, cold winter. I was telling Willi, that fall and right after winter are just about the only times I can ever get fish on big flies consistently. Every trip out merely confirms this belief until Spring is finally settled in and Summer approaches. :I know the Arkansas River in Salida, Colorad is prime now as run off starts in :April but I think it will be early all over the North West, don’t you? :Have to run. Got cork handles to bore out and fit. :And a #32 fly to tie. : ; ) Yes, I think runoff will be a tad bit early. The Yellowstone was already showing signs of early runoff. If I hadn’t lived there and fished it regularly, I doubt I would have noticed the slight change. After experiencing it for a couple of years you start to know the water and know the stages of runoff just by the color and what to expect by the weather. If this recent bit of cold lasts, it may just delay things a bit though. I have almost quit watching the weather reports because they are wrong more often than not, but I think I am going to start keeping better track during this time of year and hope they are right. The good news is that I am not sure runoff will be all that long. With another bad year for snowpack, I doubt things will be as bad as a "normal" year. The other bit of good news is that the weather has been operating in terms of "pockets". It was windy, cold and sunny today in Bozeman, but cloudy, warmer and calm in Livingston. Ennis has been getting some nice weather according to the news, but West Yellowstone has been repeatedly colder, cloudier, and has more snow. If everything works out like I hope it will, I will be able to fish through most of runoff season yet again due to this pocket effect. I’m hoping at least. Get to that #32. You are supposed to send me one <g — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus
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Went fishing today in a long side channel of the Yellowstone that is easily accessible and very wadable. I couldn’t see any activity from the bank as I rigged up, but decided to use the bamboo in case I came across any rising fish. The water was a touch off color, but not bad enough to really affect visibility. I rigged up two nymphs and made my way to the river and to the spot I always start at. After my first couple of casts I began to notice a few fish feeding off the surface. I couldn’t see what they were rising to, but started looking around and saw mostly midges with very few baetis mixed in. I decided to clip off the nymphs and fish dries and was rewarded with a chubby little rainbow of about 10" right off the bat. I caught a couple more and decided to work my way downstream a little further. I didn’t see any more rising fish so I switched over to a nymph and a big rubber leg brownstone for the deep pools. I worked my way through the deep pools and picked up a couple of fish. The sun began to shine as a big empty patch in the clouds came into position. I never did see any more rising fish as it stayed sunny for the remainder of my stay, but I had good luck with the olive CDC GRHE and brownstone. The fish in the faster sections were just hammering the brownstone. There is a section that I really like to fish that has several ridges of rock in the channel. I don’t know what kind of rock it is, but it looks like maybe some kind of shale. It is really flaky and the layers stand up almost vertically. I like to call them the "spines" for lack of a better term. Anyway, I caught several of fish throughout this area as well as losing several flies to the rocks. My biggest fish of the day, an 18" rainbow that was FAT, took the brownstone. I thought I was caught up along the bottom because I set the hook when the indicator paused and just felt solid weight like I was hung up on a rock. After several jerks, all of the sudden it was zzzzzzzz as line starting peeling off. A wonderful fight on the 4 wt ‘boo, but I was wishing I had the 6 wt to give me a little bit of umpf to fight the fish (I don’t hold to the lighter rod, better fighting ability theory but the bigger rod manhandle the fish theory). I eventually turned his head after making him fight his way upstream and landed him in the slack water. After a couple of quick pictures in the net and the alongside the rod, I released him. A splash from his tail was his final act of defiance before his departure. I caught a few more fish and found a pod of whitefish that proved to be fun. I also hooked a really nice brown deep in the "spines" that I got to the surface. When he felt the cold air he violently thrashed on the surface and put on a nice acrobatic display before breaking me off. I lost several more flies along the bottom and eventually called it quits after having had my fill of fish for the day. All in all, it was another very pleasant day by myself on a fine river. I can only hope that the wind in Bozeman dies down tonight so I can hit the Gallatin tomorrow. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus
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I’ve been thinking about fishing (fly) in the Burney CA area. Can anyone give information on guides, tackle, good spots (I guess on the Fall or other smaller creeks), and places to stay/visit. Well, anything would be nice. Thanks in advance. greg miller
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Call Andre Puyans at Creative Sports in Pleasant Hill, CA. No one in the Bay Area knows the Fall River, Hat Creek, etc. like Andy does. He spent a couple of years camped out by the side of road tying flies and exploring. 510-938-2255.
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Forgot to add that the Fall River is boat access only. Limited access, deep, and soft unwadeable bottem. The standard technique is to use a skiff with electronic motor go upstream (easier to get home when the motor fails) get upstream of a pod of fish and cast down and across to them from the anchored skiff. Very smooth surface with educated fish. I love it! Hat Creek has everthing from tumbling freestone to ripples and long smooth runs. Haven’t had a chance to the other rivers or lakes which I here are great. I’m really looking forward to a week by myself with out the family exploring the area. Guides: George Durand 916-222-5630 Somes Bar Lodge & Guide Service Upper Sacremento 916-469-3399 Lava Creek Lodge Fall River Andy will give you the name & number of the fly shop in Burney.
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I’ve been thinking about fishing (fly) in the Burney CA area. Can anyone give information on guides, tackle, good spots (I guess on the Fall or other smaller creeks), and places to stay/visit. Well, anything would be nice. Thanks in advance. greg miller
Greg, I’m fairly familiar with the area. Email your phone # or call me: (510)486-5317 l
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Some places to fish when you’re in the Burney area: Fall River, Hat Creek, Pit River, MaCloud River, Upper & Lower Sacramento River, Trinity River, Baum Lake, Lewiston Lake and McCumber Lake. Too many choices! I’ll be up in the area in October for a week. I’ll focus on the Fall River, Hat Creek and MaCloud Rivers and if I have any spare time I may try fishing Baum Lake.
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Can you please expand on the light colored clothing/lyme disease comment. Does it help you spot ticks and pick them off before they bite?
As a kid in Maryland, I was told ticks prefer darker colors. I suppose the camaflouge theory kicks in. Thomas Gilg
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Black Flies??? They are attracted to bright/dark colors and anything that has scent. Some people get more bit than others. Taking vitamin B suppose to help reduce the # of bites. Clothes should be washed with non-scented soap. Besides Deet, you can put baby oil on you skin which drowns the flies (good for suntanning). By July, they are pretty much gone. Oh ya, make sure you socks go over you pants. Put Deek around the shirt near your belt. they love to crawl in!!! I use to work in the Wawa area for 3 summers. The 3rd summer I got bit maybe 4/5 times for working 7 weeks in the bush plating trees compared to 30/40 the first summer. And the bites healed much quicker the 3rd summer (some sort of ammune system). I’ve seen indians walk aorund with no protection and not get bit. We’re talking about 10,000 black files swarming aroung your head while you work. I use to spray Deet on my hard hat and it would kill 1,000 flies a day. When people complain about a few black flies, I say it is nothing…
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| | DW 3. Use insect repellant. DEET is still the best, although questions | DW about its safety for long term exposure have been raised. I suggest a | DW spray or pump format for two reasons. First, you can spray clothing | DW around where they are going to land and crawl and thus keep them off. | DW Second, you can keep the palms of your hands relatively clean of the | DW stuff – it will remove the paint from a pencil in a day of use and | DW likely has a similarly disturbing effect on fine rod finishes, | DW fly-lines, painted lures etc. Be sure to spray INSIDE your clothing | DW in the areas they are likely to try to enter (neck, cuffs, ankles or | DW whatever) | | I never use DEET based products because of what it does to lines. I prefer The notion that DEET weakens mono fishing line has been scientificily disproved in a conclusive experiment by my daughter for a science fair experiment. She exposed lengths of stren to a number of substances for a period of time in excess of a day and measured the breaking strength. The substances included gasoline, outboard motor oil, DEET, bourbon, and water. The only one that weakened the line was water. Unfortunately the only people who looked at her exhibit were guys wearing camo and there weren’t to many of those. | vinegar because it works just as well and doesn’t weaken mono. As for | wearing light coloured clothing it is more important for the prevention of | lyme disease, but the fact that the black flies prefer darker colours | doesn’t hurt. | | ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 | — | | — Del Cecchi
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| | DW 3. Use insect repellant. DEET is still the best, although questions | DW about its safety for long term exposure have been raised. I suggest a | DW spray or pump format for two reasons. First, you can spray clothing | DW around where they are going to land and crawl and thus keep them off. | DW Second, you can keep the palms of your hands relatively clean of the | DW stuff – it will remove the paint from a pencil in a day of use and | DW likely has a similarly disturbing effect on fine rod finishes, | DW fly-lines, painted lures etc. Be sure to spray INSIDE your clothing | DW in the areas they are likely to try to enter (neck, cuffs, ankles or | DW whatever) | | I never use DEET based products because of what it does to lines. I prefer | vinegar because it works just as well and doesn’t weaken mono. As for | wearing light coloured clothing it is more important for the prevention of | lyme disease, but the fact that the black flies prefer darker colours | doesn’t hurt. | Peter, Can you please expand on the light colored clothing/lyme disease comment. Does it help you spot ticks and pick them off before they bite? -Pat.
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DW 3. Use insect repellant. DEET is still the best, although questions DW about its safety for long term exposure have been raised. I suggest a DW spray or pump format for two reasons. First, you can spray clothing DW around where they are going to land and crawl and thus keep them off. DW Second, you can keep the palms of your hands relatively clean of the DW stuff – it will remove the paint from a pencil in a day of use and DW likely has a similarly disturbing effect on fine rod finishes, DW fly-lines, painted lures etc. Be sure to spray INSIDE your clothing DW in the areas they are likely to try to enter (neck, cuffs, ankles or DW whatever) I never use DEET based products because of what it does to lines. I prefer vinegar because it works just as well and doesn’t weaken mono. As for wearing light coloured clothing it is more important for the prevention of lyme disease, but the fact that the black flies prefer darker colours doesn’t hurt. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 —
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– … I was wondering if indeed the black – flies are going to be a problem? and if they are, what is the best – way to prepare for them. In my career in field geology I have had many close encounters with black flies and, while not claiming to be a total expert, can offer the following advice. Black flies attack by crawling around on your clothes until finding an entry point, or landing directly on skin then crawling around. They tend to bite where their exploration is stopped by restrictions such as a belt, top of socks, hat brim etc. This modus operandi should be kept in mind when designing your defences. 1. Wear clothing with a minimum of entry points – no loose cuffs, tuck pants into socks, wear a snug T-shirt under your regular bush shirt, no stylishly ripped jeans. 2. Keep clothing as light a colour as possible – they love dark colours, especially blue denim, and will land preferentially on those wearing darker clothes. (This one is often not easy on longer trips if laundry facilities are not handy and the bush is dirty.) 3. Use insect repellant. DEET is still the best, although questions about its safety for long term exposure have been raised. I suggest a spray or pump format for two reasons. First, you can spray clothing around where they are going to land and crawl and thus keep them off. Second, you can keep the palms of your hands relatively clean of the stuff – it will remove the paint from a pencil in a day of use and likely has a similarly disturbing effect on fine rod finishes, fly-lines, painted lures etc. Be sure to spray INSIDE your clothing in the areas they are likely to try to enter (neck, cuffs, ankles or whatever) 4. Electronic repellants (ultrasonic etc) DO NOT WORK ON REAL, WILD BLACKFLIES. If you want to try them out be sure you have DEET for emergency backup when you discover this for yourself. 5. By July they may have thinned out a bit, but will certainly be out in force in evenings and still days. Deer flies are more of a nuisance on hot sunny days but they do not care about repellant so don’t waste it on them. (They are slow enough to catch and crunch by hand.) 6. Above all, remember to have fun. No matter how bad the flies have been in my experience, when I look back to all the trips it is not the flies my mind conjures up when pulling out memories. They are a large frustration at the time, but you will forget them (until next time) as long as you don’t get physically ill from an overdose. This only happens to little kids who don’t put on any repellant at all and have a small body size to absorb the toxins. Have a good trip. (The worst flies I ever met were NOT in the Sault Ste Marie area at all, BTW.) Regards…Dennis Waddington —
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