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Not Bill McNeese, but Dave McNeese.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

Hi Marilyn, Your response brought up one more question: My 9 wt is a Sage 3-pc saltwater RPLX (I think, it’s about 6 years old), and I am a reasonable caster, do you still recommend overlining the rod.  I’ve had my rods built by Bill McNeese (steelhead fisherman out of Seattle) and he has always told me to use the same wt line. Regards, Adam

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For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines. made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day.

What are the casting qualities of an intermediate tipped line?  Does it hinge?  Do they do well in warm water. Do I have to bring it all the way to the boat.  My concern here is that as I fish the shore, will I be able to pick the line up and get it back to the shore the way one can do it with a floating line (ie, will I be able to keep the distance from the boat to shore relatively constant)?  About how deep will it go, do they have the regular 1-2"/minute sink rates? Thanks, Adam

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Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines.   made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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You didn’t miss anything.  I’ve had as much fun looking at the inside of my eyelids without having taken anything more interesting than homogenized cow’s milk. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If only acid had done as much for me, I’d have done more than sample it a couple of times. Now I feel like a real dork. The only acid I’ve ever taken much interest in is the stuff that has me gobbling Tagamet whenever my wife sends out for pizza. Mike S. Medintz Burn, esophagus, burn! You didn’t miss anything.  I’ve had as much fun looking at the inside of my eyelids without having taken anything more interesting than homogenized cow’s milk.

You weren’t doing it right. /daytripper (Trust me on this

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<snip re: acid You weren’t doing it right. /daytripper (Trust me on this

Trip, I like you and all, but if we’re ever at a clave and you tell me to trust you on something, I’m afraid I’m going to have to insist on driving. That acid indigestion’s a bitch when you’re trying to watch the road. Makes you see purple lizards and shit like that. – — Linux: Because I like it when my computer actually works —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O9iXkciOs8eNXDMRAuqzAKCSNnDitg3ny386MWd8B4FyNXUCWgCfaWoU 9lUI5m8FwvxTSX9bv14WZSI= =SmTC —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 <snip re: acid You weren’t doing it right. /daytripper (Trust me on this Trip, I like you and all, but if we’re ever at a clave and you tell me to trust you on something, I’m afraid I’m going to have to insist on driving. That acid indigestion’s a bitch when you’re trying to watch the road. Makes you see purple lizards and shit like that.

Sounds fair, but the real tip will be when I say "Watch this!" /daytripper (Living On The Edge)

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Sounds fair, but the real tip will be when I say "Watch this!" /daytripper (Living On The Edge)

My experience goes more like, "Hey, check this out"

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Ed Muskie on acid. -Fear and loathing on the fly-fishing trail

If only acid had done as much for me, I’d have done more than sample it a couple of times. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Ed Muskie on acid. -Fear and loathing on the fly-fishing trail If only acid had done as much for me, I’d have done more than sample it a couple of times.

Well, speaking just for me (and, well, for Raoul, Ed, and a host of other characters of an imaginary nature, by default), I’ve always found that an interesting assortment of friends and acquaintances lead to more interesting "trips" than the recreational use of pharmaceutical chemicals.  I’ve never put any real stock in drugs, nor had any real interest in them.  That said, I don’t begrudge other adults their usage (either morally or legally), and in fact, having friends that do so in the aforementioned assortment can be both inspirational and instructional.  Besides, me on acid, etc. would likely result is nothing but a very long one-word sentence of vowels – sort of a Polish Julie Andrews song…. TC, R whose holiday messages ran the gamut from folks such as VERY gay West End (English) theater types (yes, I do see the redundancy) to those who make ol’ Rush look like the former…

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Is this "Muskie"?  (for filter purposes)

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Is this "Muskie"?  (for filter purposes)

Reliable sources tell me it’s not THAT Muskie, the tree-hugging Bush hater, but a parody of another famous Muskie (the self-hugging Nixon hater).  However those same reliable sources also tell me that he probably won’t be posting much to ROFF (and certainly no articles on how Bush, et al, are responsible for everything from the Crusades to the making of "Freddy Got Fingered"…) HTH, TC, R

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I’m not sure that many roffians read that book, judging from the total lack of response to the Ed Muskie on acid comment. It just reminded how funny that book was. I need to go down to the basement, dig it out and give it another read. HST

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Is this "Muskie"?  (for filter purposes)

If it is, he’s, happily, returned to his old ways.  More or less his amusing trolling style.  I’d advise not filtering unless it goes political.  Unless you don’t like an occasional chuckle or gag (it can trigger that reflex once in a while).  If it’s someone else, well, good for them. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is this "Muskie"?  (for filter purposes) If it is, he’s, happily, returned to his old ways.  More or less his amusing trolling style.  I’d advise not filtering unless it goes political.  Unless you don’t like an occasional chuckle or gag (it can trigger that reflex once in a while).  If it’s someone else, well, good for them.

Well, I think it’s actually the ghost of ol’ Tricky Dick his ownself, haunting Donald Segretti’s Palm Pilot….or Ben Bradlee’s WebTV… A. Gordon Haig

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….At the most inopportune moment, there appeared a slack-jawed rentacop, and threatened to spray Brian with pepper spray unless he put down the hapless clerk.  Before I could explain the perilous nature of such an ill-advised action, we – the clerk, Tricky, the rentacop, and your author – were awash in noxious fumes.  Any hope to a civil resolution is, at this point, non-existent, and also of course, Brian, who is used to such pedestrian attempts, is completely unfazed.  Well, perhaps "unfazed" is not completely accurate, because it seems to have a wholly-unintended effect.  He proceeded to hurl the now-wailing technoweasel at the wide-eyed rentacop.  Surprisingly, for a person in such a position and of such girth, the rentacop was apparently not used to catching screaming people.   At this point, Tricky started yelling something about "that prick Lyndon" and "agent orange," which, it goes without saying, provided no measure of stability to a situation turning more dangerous by the minute.  I decided that quick, decisive action was not only called for, but urgently needed.  Normally, a round or two into a handy ceiling from the Magnum would have shocked everyone not in our party into stunned inaction, and we could have made a hasty retreat. However, the current political climate makes the use of firearms, even when used strictly for effect, a rather dicey proposition, so I demurred from that course.  I decided instead to play it straight.  I began to demand to see management, and for a phone to call Johnny Cochran. A slightish young man, who appeared scared shitless, presented himself.  He introduced himself as "Skip Skipperson, the assistant to the manager’s assistant," and I quickly determined that my chosen course was the right one.  "What do you mean by hiring fiends with nerve gas to assault customers," I bellowed, about 6 inches from Skip’s face, which was now that very pale shade of grey-green that told me Skip had likely soiled himself.  "Urga-nish-dint-naw-load," gurgled Skip.  This was our moment.  I told Brian to grab Tricky, and we beat it out of there, post-haste.   Experience has taught me that departure at such a moment will result, by the time the principles are debriefed, and everyone gives their version, exactly as it happened, with the composites assembled into a profile, in a distinct advantage being gained.  The constabulary will be busy looking for 2 Black Panthers, a drag queen, Martha Stewart, and a large, ill-described bovine called "Samuel." While our departure was successful and without further incident, I was still no closer to the original goal: that of replacing the world-worn Nikon.  We proceeded to another store, ignoring Brian’s protests and Tricky’s mumbling about "little yeller bastards"….

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Ed Muskie on acid. -Fear and loathing on the fly-fishing trail

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….At the most inopportune moment, there appeared a slack-jawed rentacop, and threatened to spray Brian with pepper spray unless he put down the hapless clerk.  Before I could explain the perilous nature of such an ill-advised action, we – the clerk, Tricky, the rentacop, and your author – were awash in noxious fumes.  Any hope to a civil resolution is, at this point, non-existent, and also of course, Brian, who is used to such pedestrian attempts, is completely unfazed.  Well, perhaps "unfazed" is not completely accurate, because it seems to have a wholly-unintended effect.  He proceeded to hurl the now-wailing technoweasel at the wide-eyed rentacop.  Surprisingly, for a person in such a position and of such girth, the rentacop was apparently not used to catching screaming people. At this point, Tricky started yelling something about "that prick Lyndon" and "agent orange," which, it goes without saying, provided no measure of stability to a situation turning more dangerous by the minute.  I decided that quick, decisive action was not only called for, but urgently needed.  Normally, a round or two into a handy ceiling from the Magnum would have shocked everyone not in our party into stunned inaction, and we could have made a hasty retreat. However, the current political climate makes the use of firearms, even when used strictly for effect, a rather dicey proposition, so I demurred from that course.  I decided instead to play it straight.  I began to demand to see management, and for a phone to call Johnny Cochran. A slightish young man, who appeared scared shitless, presented himself.  He introduced himself as "Skip Skipperson, the assistant to the manager’s assistant," and I quickly determined that my chosen course was the right one.  "What do you mean by hiring fiends with nerve gas to assault customers," I bellowed, about 6 inches from Skip’s face, which was now that very pale shade of grey-green that told me Skip had likely soiled himself.  "Urga-nish-dint-naw-load," gurgled Skip.  This was our moment.  I told Brian to grab Tricky, and we beat it out of there, post-haste. Experience has taught me that departure at such a moment will result, by the time the principles are debriefed, and everyone gives their version, exactly as it happened, with the composites assembled into a profile, in a distinct advantage being gained.  The constabulary will be busy looking for 2 Black Panthers, a drag queen, Martha Stewart, and a large, ill-described bovine called "Samuel." While our departure was successful and without further incident, I was still no closer to the original goal: that of replacing the world-worn Nikon.  We proceeded to another store, ignoring Brian’s protests and Tricky’s mumbling about "little yeller bastards"….

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BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart Have you hooked a chinook?

Yup, up to 45 lbs. (unfortunately I have yet to get a real big one), but they rarely break the surface, preferring to sulk deep and do their running near the bottom. Unbelievable power though. Of  the species I’ve caught ( I admit to being an Atlantic virgin), steelhead are the most unpredictable, one second they are sulking deep, the next the line is slack and they are doing five or six consecutive jumps and then off for another long run right on the surface. unbelievable! Stevo the experienced (yah right)

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Now why would those in the east want to stock those damn silly, wimp western salmon that only procreate once then leave their rotting, stinking carcasses in the water, when they have their own robust salmon that can procreate many times? Chris Richer (east of the flat spot) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Stevo the wanderer (NOT) <g Dave L.

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Steve Cooper: <<BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Ouananiche.  The Atlantic Salmon that is land-locked.  It’s also known as the Lake Salmon.  The largest I have caught was about 7 pounds, but I have heard of much bigger fish, especially in Labrador and Quebec.  It didn’t come from BC either.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Yup, up to 45 lbs. (unfortunately I have yet to get a real big one), but they rarely break the surface, preferring to sulk deep and do their running near the bottom. Unbelievable power though.

I’ve seen plenty of hooked chinook jump & splash.  Saw a 20+ lber come about 3 feet out of the water last Thursday on the Pere Marquette in Michigan.  Maybe the fish here are different.  They tend to darken up really quick.  I’ve seen lots of photos of silver fish caught out of western rivers. Mu

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Ouananiche.  The Atlantic Salmon that is land-locked.  It’s also known as the Lake Salmon.  The largest I have caught was about 7 pounds, but I have heard of much bigger fish, especially in Labrador and Quebec.  It didn’t come from BC either.  <g

Is that the Sebago Lake strain?  Also, what’s a Sunapee? Mu

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Mu Young: <<Is that the Sebago Lake strain?  Also, what’s a Sunapee? No.  Not coming out of lakes/rivers in Labrador! I believe the Sunapee is actually a land-locked Arctic Char (Salvelinus alpinus).  It’s called the Blueback Trout in some Maine waters. Dave

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Yup, up to 45 lbs. (unfortunately I have yet to get a real big one), but they rarely break the surface, preferring to sulk deep and do their running near the bottom. Unbelievable power though. I’ve seen plenty of hooked chinook jump & splash.  Saw a 20+ lber come about 3 feet out of the water last Thursday on the Pere Marquette in Michigan.  Maybe the fish here are different.  They tend to darken up really quick.  I’ve seen lots of photos of silver fish caught out of western rivers. Mu

  That’s only because its alot easier to jump out of your waters and tailwalk, being so full of chemicals and all <g…. Hey look on the bright side another 10 years or so and you won’t even need a boat to go fishing on the "lakes" "lake michigan…..too thick to drink, too thin to plow" Stevo the troller

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Steve Cooper: <<BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Ouananiche.  The Atlantic Salmon that is land-locked.  It’s also known as the Lake Salmon.

Oh you mean those big trout (genus Salmo) The largest I have caught was about 7 pounds, but I have heard of much bigger fish, especially in Labrador and Quebec.  It didn’t come from BC either.  <g Dave LaCourse

  Cheers

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Steve Cooper: <<Oh you mean those big trout (genus Salmo) Yep!  One and the same.  <g

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Steve Cooper: <<Oh you mean those big trout (genus Salmo) Yep!  One and the same.  <g

Ah hell before you know it I’ll be able to catch those on the West coast as well. Just let our salmon farms screw up and have a few more large escapements like the 30,000 yearlings that just escaped a Port McNiel farm, or the 60,000 smolts involuntarily released in Washington’s Puget Sound, and we may have to beat these things off our lines just to get at a good natural wild salmon.

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BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart

Have you hooked a chinook? Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

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Have you hooked a chinook?

No, but I did once know a guy who tried to drown a brown, get nookie brom a brookie, and pass a bass!

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I did’nt forget them.  It was about Atlantic salmon, "King of the Sportfish".  I agree about steelies.  They are one of the best (of course)! Land locked salmon are also right up there.  Although they don’t get too big in Maine, they are a ball to watch tail walking. (I hope this doesn’t start a thread:  *MY* fish is better’n your fish!

But,… but,… but…. my fish IS better than your fish…… and my dad can so nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah nyah. BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Stevo the wanderer (NOT) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <g Dave L.

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Sheldonn Michael Pardy writes: <<If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day. Uhhhhhh, you fought a 10 pound fish for 1 1/2 hours?  What ever happened to the old rule of a pound a minute?  I realize Atlantic Salmon are the fighters of all time, but an hour and a half.  Seems exceedingly long, sir.  I will agree about the bass, however. Dave L.

 Dave Not just exceedingly long, but lethal as well. Although Atlantics are well known for both their fighting prowess and tenacity towards survival, this fish if released was probably dead shortly thereafter. The lactic acid buildup in the muscular tissues (remember that salmonids are basically on BIG muscle) would likely have been lethal. Nothing to be particularly of, Sheldon. BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart

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1.5 hours? You are full of shit. Next time you take an assignment as a flack, learn how to lie creditably. Dave

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Steve Cooper: <<BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday I did’nt forget them.  It was about Atlantic salmon, "King of the Sportfish".  I agree about steelies.  They are one of the best (of course)! Land locked salmon are also right up there.  Although they don’t get too big in Maine, they are a ball to watch tail walking.   (I hope this doesn’t start a thread:  *MY* fish is better’n your fish! <g Dave L.

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David Snedeker, the scribe, writes: <<1.5 hours? You are full of shit. Next time you take an assignment as a flack, learn how to lie creditably. ROFL.  Don’t mix your words, David.  Tell the fool *exactly* what you think of him.  That’s what I love about you, David; you are about as subtle as a nuclear weapon.  <g Dave L. (the calm Dave)  d;0)

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One and a half hours to land a ten pound fish???  I think, perhaps, that you need a bit heavier outfit.  If you want to be in a position to release salmon and steelhead in some degree of health, you have to get them in and released in a lot less time.  I suspect that your ten pound Atlantic Salmon was one that you kept.  If not, I doubt if he lived very long after being released. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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        If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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Sheldon, Sounds like fun. When is the best time to go? Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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        If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. …

I’d love to. When the provincial government repeals those pernicious guide laws I’ll drop a dime in Newfoundland and Labrador too. Until then, I won’t fish there. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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Hey, Something fishy here.  If you took that long to land a little 10 pounder, you were abusing the fish and probably harming its chances of survival (assuming that you released it). Regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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Sheldonn Michael Pardy writes:

<<If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day. Uhhhhhh, you fought a 10 pound fish for 1 1/2 hours?  What ever happened to the old rule of a pound a minute?  I realize Atlantic Salmon are the fighters of all time, but an hour and a half.  Seems exceedingly long, sir.  I will agree about the bass, however. Dave L.

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<a bunch of stuff he should have proof read first!!!!! Not just exceedingly long, but lethal as well. Although Atlantics are well known for both their fighting prowess and tenacity towards survival, this fish if released was probably dead shortly thereafter. The lactic acid buildup in the muscular tissues (remember that salmonids are basically on

<<<that should be ONE not on BIG muscle) would likely have been lethal. Nothing to be particularly of, Sheldon.

That should be "not particularly PROUD of, Sheldon" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart

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I’m planning a familiy trip down to Islamorada this summer. Since I’m on a budget I can unfortunately only afford to hire a guide for one day. How good are the opportunities for doing some solo wade-flyfishing in the Islamorada area. Too vast and crowded? Tips are appreciated, Tor Larsen

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Spme State Parks w/ood access South of there

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Rook2, I was there last year and had a fine time fishing from the road side. If you head on out towards Key West not very far from Islamorada there’s a number road side areas you can fish where the boat cuts come close to shore. I pulled two fine bone fish out this way. Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spme State Parks w/ood access South of there

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As a keen fly fisherman in the UK my knowledge of US river’s is very limited. I have been offered the chance to join a trip to North Conway in New Hampshire sometime around June ‘98. The only river that I know to be close by is the Saco. Can anyone tell me :- Is there any trout in it and can they be caught? How is it best fished? What sort of tackle is required? Is there any other water’s (river or lake) near to N. Conway that are fished using the fly? Is there any other advise anyone can give me? Thanks in advance for any help. — Steve Patrick

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As a keen fly fisherman in the UK my knowledge of US river’s is very limited. I have been offered the chance to join a trip to North Conway in New Hampshire sometime around June ‘98. The only river that I know to be close by is the Saco. Can anyone tell me :- Is there any trout in it and can they be caught?

Depends on your skills… How is it best fished?

A flyrod is the most effective way to do this. What sort of tackle is required?

Depending on the water, but I would take a 3wt and a 5 or 6 wt. Is there any other water’s (river or lake) near to N. Conway that are fished using the fly?

You are in the beautiful White Mountain area with nearly thousands of streams, lakes, and ponds in one of the most beautiful areas of New Hampshire. Go to the flyshop in North Conway and ask the guys there, they can tell you where to go best and what hatches you can expect at that time of the year (they usually list the most popular rivers with their hatches on a board outside the store and will be pleased to tell you more if you buy a couple flies etc out of courtesy, the guys are very nice- I think they also guide). Within 30 min drive you find several nice ponds in the Frankonia Notch area, it’s good to have a belly boat there and you can catch beautiful brookies. South of where you are located you can find the Bearcamp which is a beauty that holds Brookes, Brows, and Rainbows. If you are driving up from Boston make shure you stop at the Merrimack (look for salmon) and the Neufound river (can’t remember the exit, but it’s right from I93- salmon and hugh trout) and very close to the White Mountains. Otherwise, stop at the Ranger station, they can give you tips for remote hike-in ponds, there is a National Forest Map with all the ponds in it, including some fly fishing only ponds. Amonoosuc River (sp?) at Twin Mountains is also a pretty place that holds big rainbows. Don’t forget the C&R stretch of the Ellis River. If you have more questions, just mail back. Thomas Is there any other advise anyone can give me? Thanks in advance for any help. — Steve Patrick

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Anyone out there heard of a good trailing shuck imitation.  In jams, I’ve used panty-hose, and of course z-lon when tying.

Aunt Lydia’s rug and craft yarn.

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Anyone out there heard of a good trailing shuck imitation.  In jams, I’ve used panty-hose, and of course z-lon when tying.  I want something a little better. Any suggestions? Thanks- J W Kramer @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick catch fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing! Mr. Gink — MZ

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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!

Oh yeah ?!?!?!? Well…may you get the same thing, and break it when you drop your "Tickle Me Elmo" on it, which breaks as well… TimW

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Organization: Fly Fishing Products Manufacturer    May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!    Mr. Gink AND, that you live in a climate where you can’t use it for growing tomatoes! cheers,         -tgades

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results).

Me too.  The glossy magazines interest me little anymore.  There has to be something really worthwhile in an issue to buy one.   These newsgroups are much, much better. They are reader driven and not writer driven, in general.  In other words, ask and ye shall receive.  That is REAL value.  I’d just as soon not see the ng’s and the magazines cross paths, myself. TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results). Me too.  The glossy magazines interest me little anymore.  There has to be something really worthwhile in an issue to buy one.   These newsgroups are much, much better. They are reader driven and not writer driven, in general.  In other words, ask and ye shall receive.  That is REAL value.  I’d just as soon not see the ng’s and the magazines cross paths, myself. TimW

I still get value from the two magazines I get, FF in Salt Waters and Saltwater FF, though it certainly is different from what we have here ! I think SWFF is still new enough in printed word that the zines haven’t become too repetitive, although I think there is definitely a danger of this happening in the future. If I digress to the whole George Resign stuff, and I hate to do so, it seems to me that the magazine format would have been much better for him, having the ‘writer driven’ nature that Tim alludes to. The glossies are great places for established, experienced fishermen to convey information that the reader can take or leave. Which of course means the ngs are much more fun !                                                 jc

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Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup.

hmmmmmm…. 8^) TimW

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Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup.

It’s like the researcher that does a lifes work and it ends up in a University filing cabinet…then some beer swillin’ jet-setter with a word processor comes along and hacks out an article in an afternoon (you get a mention in the biblio) and the next thing you know he’s doing book signings at the fern bar. We still love you John. TimW

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For those that haven’t seen it, the most recent issue of Fly Rod & Reel contains a seven page article on Flyfishing and the Internet. I did a brief scan of the article and it primarily talks about various web sites and includes a pretty extensive list of sites and describes some of the bigger sites such as Virtual Fly Shop, and several others. There is also a short section on "mailing lists and non-profit sites" (hint to commercial advertisers in r.o.f.f.) which includes a couple of short references to this newsgroup.  Here’s how they described us… "Sometimes outrageous and always interesting, the newsgroup is worth a regular stop.  The last time I checked there were threads on the influx of newcomers to Montan (don’t leave your California-plated car alone at night), on women fly fishers and on the work of FR&R conservation editor Ted Williams [ does anyone remember this last thread? - john].  There was also a considerable section written have thread with cow magnet haiku? Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Overall, the article covers quite a bit and seems to be well researched although there was no mention of *my* baby, the flytying newsgroup. snip We still love you John. TimW

The reference to Ted Williams was my selection for "who would you like to spend a day fishing with" — hardly a thread but I suppose they were trolling for references to their magazine. Now that I think of it, there aren’t many magazine references in ROFF or ROFFT. I certainly spend a lot more time these days fishing, tying and surfing the net and a lot less time reading magazines and watching TV. I cancelled FR&R last year and still haven’t read the September Fly Fisherman, let alone the just received December issue (don’t want to ruin the suspense by reading the November election results). Doug

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In my opinion sweet corn works fine. Put several pieces on the hook and the line.

Grasshoppers work great and you can usualy catch them at the pond. Gordon Gordon Couger – 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075     I do not speak for my employer

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In my opinion sweet corn works fine. Put several pieces on the hook and the line.

I’ve heard here about corn and chicken liver and most recently about cheese and hog brains.  Here’s my dilemma:  the local market didn’t have hog brains or even chicken liver so I bought a few bucks worth of beef liver.  I’ve also got some turkey bologna that I would rather the catfish ate (I thought it was beef bologna!).  For the next week and a half I’ll be studying my butt off for some major exams, but after that I’d like to get the hell out of the city and get me some catfish (pike or carp would be nice  too, I just want to get some big-ass fish!).  Anyway, how can I ‘cure’ these imitation meats so that the fish’ll go for ‘em?  I really don’t want this stuff rotting in my apartment (I don’t have any good smell-proof containers other than a milk container).  Do you have any good formulas for this stuff?  Much thanks in advance.                                                  - IMG Gordon Couger – 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075    I do not speak for my employer

I’m not employed and speak for myself (at times)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I plus our best friends will be camping this weekend at our favorite little private campground near ClearLake.  The campground has a pond containing catfish and a few bass.  The water should be high, and usually this time of the year it is filled with crawdads.  Last May we fished the pond, the crawdads continually stole our baits (nightcrawlers). I’m sure the catfish prey on this critters, but fishing with a crawdad when they are hundreds in the pond probably won’t entice the cats.  What would be the best way to approach the catfish–continue with the nightcrawlers, chicken liver, spray WD-40 on the crawdads?  Thanks in advance!

Try both worms and crawdads. I use a long handled minnow net to catch the crawdads. The trick that worked for me was free spooling with no weight. If the catfish feel resistance, they drop it. Cast as far as you can and leave the bail open to free spool. Wait ’til he takes it for a-ways, (southern literary license), and then set the hook. Experiment with how long you should wait. If they swallow it, set the hook sooner, if they drop it, wait a few more (10?) seconds. If they are biting slow, put a bell on your rod tip and relax. If the crawdads are getting your worms before the catfish, then there are no catfish in that area/depth. They will surely chow down on the crawdads. One other option. If there are really big catfish and bream (perch) in the pond, use a really small hook and catch the small bream. Then put the bream under a cork (away from brush.), and especially at night!…and wait for the dinner bell. High water is great for catfish. They will forage in shallow water/newly flooded area. Also, this time of year they may be spawning and in shallow anyway. Tim

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In my opinion sweet corn works fine. Put several pieces on the hook and the line. Good luck Peter

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I know the best bait in the world for catfish.  If you can locate a place where they slaughter chickens, get yourself a gallon of chicken guts soaked in its blood.  I use a one gallon paint can because the lid fits so tight and believe me you won’t want that lid to come off until you want it to.  The best cat fishing I’ve done is in the deepest part of the lake.  Take a good size hook, maybe an inch space between the shank and point. Tie a piece of line about 1 foot long directly to the eye.  By the eye also attach a thin piece of cloth 6" or so long.  Take a handful of the slimy bloddy mess in the can and hold it to the hook as best as you can and use the strip of cloth to help hold the guts to the hook, just wrap the cloth around and around the hook, but not too tight.  Then use the piece of line to wrap around everything.  Cast it carefully, cause you can through it off easily.  The catfish could care less with piece of cloth on his meal.  The whole time it is on the bottom (tight line fishing) it is oozing blood.  You will catch the biggest fish you have ever caught.  You just pay a price having to handle and smell that stuff. Another great bait is live perch, small ones hooked just under the top fin.  You use nylon line which is tied to branches overhanging the water.  The little perch is swimming just under the water.  Do this just be fore dark.  Catfish come close to shore as well as to the surface at night to feed.  The will find the perch and 50% of the time hook themselves, especially if you have tied to a real springy branch sucu as a willow.  Check your lines early in the morning.  Turtles will come and eat the catfish.  Its pretty exciting to see one of your lines attached to a limb bouncing up and down as you approach it.  If you don’t have many limbs, use cane poles stuck in the mud or even better into a rock facing that goes down into the water.  Its a sign of DEEP water and a great place to catch catfish.    Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I plus our best friends will be camping this weekend at our favorite little private campground near ClearLake.  The campground has a pond containing catfish and a few bass.  The water should be high, and usually this time of the year it is filled with crawdads.  Last May we fished the pond, the crawdads continually stole our baits (nightcrawlers). I’m sure the catfish prey on this critters, but fishing with a crawdad when they are hundreds in the pond probably won’t entice the cats.  What would be the best way to approach the catfish–continue with the nightcrawlers, chicken liver, spray WD-40 on the crawdads?  Thanks in advance! Try both worms and crawdads. I use a long handled minnow net to catch the crawdads. The trick that worked for me was free spooling with no weight. If the catfish feel resistance, they drop it. Cast as far as you can and leave the bail open to free spool. Wait ’til he takes it for a-ways, (southern literary license), and then set the hook. Experiment with how long you should wait. If they swallow it, set the hook sooner, if they drop it, wait a few more (10?) seconds. If they are biting slow, put a bell on your rod tip and relax. If the crawdads are getting your worms before the catfish, then there are no catfish in that area/depth. They will surely chow down on the crawdads. One other option. If there are really big catfish and bream (perch) in the pond, use a really small hook and catch the small bream. Then put the bream under a cork (away from brush.), and especially at night!…and wait for the dinner bell. High water is great for catfish. They will forage in shallow water/newly flooded area. Also, this time of year they may be spawning and in shallow anyway. Tim

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You can try doughballs. — –Betelgeuse

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My wife and I plus our best friends will be camping this weekend at our favorite little private campground near ClearLake.  The campground has a pond containing catfish and a few bass.  The water should be high, and usually this time of the year it is filled with crawdads.  Last May we fished the pond, the crawdads continually stole our baits (nightcrawlers). I’m sure the catfish prey on this critters, but fishing with a crawdad when they are hundreds in the pond probably won’t entice the cats.  What would be the best way to approach the catfish–continue with the nightcrawlers, chicken liver, spray WD-40 on the crawdads?  Thanks in advance!

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My wife and I plus our best friends will be camping this weekend at our favorite little private campground near ClearLake.  The campground has a pond containing catfish and a few bass.  The water should be high, and usually this time of the year it is filled with crawdads.  Last May we fished the pond, the crawdads continually stole our baits (nightcrawlers). I’m sure the catfish prey on this critters, but fishing with a crawdad when they are hundreds in the pond probably won’t entice the cats.  What would be the best way to approach the catfish–continue with the nightcrawlers, chicken liver, spray WD-40 on the crawdads?  Thanks in advance!

Ken, if they are feeding on crawdads, then I would use crawdads.  Sort of "Matching the Hatch" for catfish.  (Excuse me all Fly-Fisher-persons ;^)) The trick is making your crawdad look vulnerable, (an easy meal)  I would try fishing the crawdad suspended 6" off the bottom with a bobber.  It would look like a crawdad that can’t get away. Good Luck! — Hunting and Fishing are the only sports that are even fun to FAIL at… as long as you don’t fail too often!  ;^)

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