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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, a pawn, a disgruntled worker or a martyr for a cause; or did he just deliver justice to an out of control government? A new perspective that the folks at the Today Show and the like don’t want you to consider. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm
Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, a pawn, a disgruntled worker or a martyr for a cause; or did he just deliver justice to an out of control government?
No. He just hated like a hick .. no reason or judgement .. just bound up in an unquestioned way of life that he didn’t have the intelligence to set aside. johns
yawn just another pylon to ignore… I don’t know why anyone even bothers to find out who these "anonymous" ppl are. The internet is such a cultural wasteland filled with clueless people so eager to share their misinformed or misguided opinion. Time to put the LSD and crayons away. People truly need to learn that the gov’t really doesn’t give a rats ass about who you are, or what you do. You’re just a number in a total population figure. The reason people say ignorance is bliss is because the statement has some merit to it. Live to whatever age you live to, marry reproduce and be wormfood. Oh, and quit hogging our newsgroup bandwidth. If you aren’t behind the way the world works by now, you never will be.
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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage.
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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.
Facts are he was conviicted and recently admitted his role to two local reporters who interviewed him for a recently published book. Of course the jury could be wrong and Tim could have lied to the authors. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.
You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?
Two wrongs don’t make a right. 
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world? Two wrongs don’t make a right.
After what he did to the children and their family’s, they should just strap him to a box of dynamite and set it off……. But that would cause air pollution I suppose…… Pete
You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?
Sometimes it is what one doesn’t say. Utterly unbelievable story in today’s paper: "Birmingham, Ala. – For three decades, the FBI failed to disclose it had hundreds of hours of tape recordings and other evidence that could help convict former Ku Klux Klansmen in the 1963 church bombing that killed four black girls. FBI spokesman Craig Dahle said, " I think it is wrong to assert there was any effort to block anything." Jay Reeves, Associated Press May 4, 2001 It was not stated just what title was put on this governmental file. Steve ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~
Regardless of feelings about McVeigh’s act in OKC, it’s NOT hard to understand his rationale – especially in relation to acts like Waco that predominantly shaped his own retaliatory act as it did. If you are to understand the things people do, you have to ALSO understand their motivations. *I* understand Tim’s – I think – but what I DON’T understand is WHY, once he was caught he abandoned his "rebel crusade" and pleaded innocent, rather than stand boldly as the revolutionary he seemed to picture himself to that point. After all, "crusaders", and "revolutionaries" pretty much have to assume they will eventually be caught and punished – and when THAT happens, if they are SINCERE in their supposed beliefs, they would be expected to one more time use the public spotlite to advance their core belief rather than try to weasle out like a coward… — Gary – KJ6Q http://community.webshots.com/user/davison71 California’s energy crisis… Brought to you by your friendly environmentalists. Cold? Hungry? Roast a Spotted Owl over a family room bonfire! Out of work? Volunteer for a job at Sierra Club headquarters to help tear down more dams and power plants in California and along the Columbia river…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world? Sometimes it is what one doesn’t say. Utterly unbelievable story in today’s paper: "Birmingham, Ala. – For three decades, the FBI failed to disclose it had hundreds of hours of tape recordings and other evidence that could help convict former Ku Klux Klansmen in the 1963 church bombing that killed four black girls. FBI spokesman Craig Dahle said, " I think it is wrong to assert there was any effort to block anything." Jay Reeves, Associated Press May 4, 2001 It was not stated just what title was put on this governmental file. Steve ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~
croaked… Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.
Please take it off this list.
Is that what you think of doing to your president too?
Just why would one want to do that? Lets see. Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? Visit www.k7no.com Under construction but getting there.
Is that what you think of doing to your president too? Just why would one want to do that? Lets see. Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? And???
And yer cross-posting this nonesense over about half a dozen newsgroups. Seriously, if we all wanted these opinions we’d have gone out of our ways to ask y’all for them. –Ken
Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes? Can’t seem to find in any catalog I presently have. Thanks, Bob
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes? Can’t seem to find in any catalog I presently have. Thanks, Bob
can’t imagine they’d be all that hard to find. most shops have the ability to get them from the multitude of wholesale fly producers now available. it may take a little time, but i’m sure your local shop can get some for you. of course, a wooley bugger is about as easy to tie as any fly, and adding lead eyes is easy… also, many buggers are now being tied with coneheads instead of the lead-eyes. cb
Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes?
This is one of my favorite flys. I tie it in sizes from 12 up to 0/2. I like yellow body with white hackle. It’s a killer for big bass. It’s really too easy to tie to bother with buying it. You could tie enough for a season while watching the Simpson’s.
cb said<<also, many buggers are now being tied with coneheads instead of the lead-eyes. The advantage to the lead-eyes (barrel) is that it makes the hook ride upside down making it more weedless.
Bob – Are you wanting to buy some or just looking for a recipe? Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes? Can’t seem to find in any catalog I presently have. Thanks, Bob
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Joe joemit writes: One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out.
Not shabby? Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup. <g Eighty feet deep? Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe joemit writes: One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out. Not shabby? Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup. <g Eighty feet deep? Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse
… using the same technique 
Paul Goodwin writes: Not shabby? Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup. <g Eighty feet deep? Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse … using the same technique
LOL. Yeah. Fall off the X rock into the current and get dragged into the pond and you’ll *swear* the water is 80 foot deep. Dave LaCourse
Joe, thanks for the post, although it’s a bit out of place in a flyfishing group. Hell, I love to fish the Quabbin, but 50 feet deep is still 40 feet deeper than I ever fish a flyline. Flyfishing for landlocks? I don’t think so. Not even in the early season when they’re up on top. The only flyfishing I’ve done in the main res. is for the smallies in May when they come into the shallows. –Stan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted on this site since last winter as I’d rather be fishing than typing but I just had to take second and let any readers from New England know about the great landlock fishingwe’ve been having at Quabbin Reservoir in central Massachusetts. The cold wet summer we’ve had have kept the fish up and they’re suspending at 40-50 feet rather than 60+ as they do most years.<and cetera
Yankee fish? A local lake here in Nova Scotia has a native stock. But thanks for your effort ;^) — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please. um, let’s see…oh you a-nah neesh? no? well, what about wah nah nish? not right, eh? well, how about…oh the hell with it. goddam stupid yankee fish, anyways. wayno, a man with better things to do
Are they on top in the fall, winter or spring? Thanks. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I haven’t posted on this site since last winter as I’d rather be fishing than typing but I just had to take second and let any readers from New England know about the great landlock fishingwe’ve been having at Quabbin Reservoir in central Massachusetts. The cold wet summer we’ve had have kept the fish up and they’re suspending at 40-50 feet rather than 60+ as they do most years. The result has been some great fishing. Any trip will bring at least a couple salmon and many days produce 10 or more fish. A lot are small in the 1 1/2 pound class but enough are three pounds plus to make it interesting and a few six po8unders have been landed. A state fisheries biologist recently predicted the bigger fish 6 lb. + are in teh closed section of the reservoir over the really deep water fro thd summer but should begin moving into the fishable water in mid Sept. so things should get even better. One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out.
Jamie Heim: "ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please.
I did: "ouananiche". Dave LaCourse
Dave L. writes: Jamie Heim: "ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please. I did: "ouananiche". Dave LaCourse
Ooops! Forgot. I believe the word is northeast/Canadian Indian – Algonquin, Cree – and is pronouced: wa – na- neesh, with the emphasis on the last sylable. However, land locked salmon seems to work best in Maine. <g Dave LaCourse
"ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please.
um, let’s see…oh you a-nah neesh? no? well, what about wah nah nish? not right, eh? well, how about…oh the hell with it. goddam stupid yankee fish, anyways. wayno, a man with better things to do
"ouananiche" Spell it as it is pronounced please. — Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul Goodwin writes: Not shabby? Uhhhh, it is if you are posting to a fly fishing newsgroup. <g Eighty feet deep? Shit, I’ll be into my backing just to get the fly down that deep. I’d much rather fish streams and rivers in Maine and consistantly catch ouananiche in the two pound range, sometimes bigger, on dry flies and nymphs. Streamers work too. Dave LaCourse … using the same technique LOL. Yeah. Fall off the X rock into the current and get dragged into the pond and you’ll *swear* the water is 80 foot deep. Dave LaCourse
I haven’t posted on this site since last winter as I’d rather be fishing than typing but I just had to take second and let any readers from New England know about the great landlock fishingwe’ve been having at Quabbin Reservoir in central Massachusetts. The cold wet summer we’ve had have kept the fish up and they’re suspending at 40-50 feet rather than 60+ as they do most years. The result has been some great fishing. Any trip will bring at least a couple salmon and many days produce 10 or more fish. A lot are small in the 1 1/2 pound class but enough are three pounds plus to make it interesting and a few six po8unders have been landed. A state fisheries biologist recently predicted the bigger fish 6 lb. + are in teh closed section of the reservoir over the really deep water fro thd summer but should begin moving into the fishable water in mid Sept. so things should get even better. One guy I know fished for his two week vacation and landed 114 landlocks. That’s not shabby anywhere I know of. Downriggers, leadcore or wire line are a must. Troll needlefish or small spoons and look for fish suspended over water 80′ plus suspended from 40-5-0 feet (less in the early morning). Good luck if you get the chance to go. Let me know how you make out.
You’re right. Let’s not spend the money that might help rebuild their economy and let’s stay away out of respect for the dead. Jeez. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you guys for real? You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. — Colin Brown Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was
says… Are you guys for real? You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. — Colin Brown
Colin, My initial reaction was similar to yours. After further contemplation, I decided that anyone who goes down there to fish is also going to be spending hard currency in an area that could use some right now. That is why I urge those fishermen (and anyone who can) to contact your local charitable organizations and send money/food/clothing now. They *really* do need it. –Wataugan Walt
I was there last July fishing at Turneffe flats. We were trying for the Grand Slam. I highly recommend the lodge. I will be seeing the owner of the lodge in two weeks. I. like yourself am concerned about the damage and to the well being of the local guides I fished with and their familys. When I find out I’ll let you know. Mark Heskett
You’re right. Let’s not spend the money that might help rebuild their economy and let’s stay away out of respect for the dead. Jeez.
______ It is just a matter of time that American’s, in our own way, will begin turning tragedy into humor. Out of chaos, we alway cheer the world up or ourselves because the pain is so great, the suffering inexpressiable, and so it goes. But today, I called the Red Cross and made a donation to Mexico’s cause. Its the least we can do for now. I think. THIS would be a good time for the Pope to make a visit just to help Mexico who needs him so, now. The arms of the Catholic Church should enfold this nation and give comfort and spiritual support. Well . . . it sure would be nice to hear from them about now.
_____ If the Pope will supply 100,000 loaves of bread I will supply the bone fish for him to feed his flock.
In ______ It is just a matter of time that American’s, in our own way, will begin turning tragedy into humor. Out of chaos, we alway cheer the world up or ourselves because the pain is so great, the suffering inexpressiable, and so it goes. But today, I called the Red Cross and made a donation to Mexico’s cause. Its the least we can do for now. I think. THIS would be a good time for the Pope to make a visit just to help Mexico who needs him so, now. The arms of the Catholic Church should enfold this nation and give comfort and spiritual support. Well . . . it sure would be nice to hear from them about now.
bzzzzzttt, bzzzzzztttt, scrsssshhhhhhhh Earth to George… HONDURAS, NICARAGUA, & BELIZE. (and some southeastern parts of Mexico) aside from my sarcasm, many thanks for your contribution. They are in need of assistance. The death toll has climbed to over 10,000 with many thousands still unaccounted for. A MAJOR DISASTER. another aside, i know we have our differing opinions, but if you’re ever up here in god’s country, there is an open invite to you to join me and possibly wayno on a stream a’fishin’ for the brookies. –Wataugan Walt
Hi: Looking to fish Belize next May, but I’m concerned about the damage that Mitch may have done. I’ve been searching the net for information to guide my trip decision, but haven’t come up with anything. I normally go to Belize River Lodge, but I have the feeling that they may have been washed away (they are right on the river). I was also considering Blue Horizon. Anyone have any idea how things fared at these two places and if Mitch’s rath may have screwed up the waters into next year? Thanks. Adam
Hi Adam, I think they were pretty lucky in Belize. I am not really sure about total damage, but heard that El Pescador did OK. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
_____ If the Pope will supply 100,000 loaves of bread I will supply the bone fish for him to feed his flock.
Hi. I don’t know about the condition of the specific lodges you mentioned, but Belize in general suffered little damage from Mitch (when compared to what’s happening in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua). The fishing is great right now, especially in southern Belize. Lots of snook, especially. You may be able to get info on your lodges from the ambergriscaye hurricane page. I can’t remember the URL, but if you go to our Website (http://www.kevinmodera.com) and click on "Ambergris Caye" info at the top of the homepage, you’ll be linked to their hurricane site. They have lots of information from many locations in Belize. Our site also includes information on conditions in southern Belize. Generally, we expect the Placencia area to be pretty much back to "normal" (whatever that means for Placencia), in another week or so. BTW, please, anybody that has the time, money or inclination, Central America needs help desperately. A group of our local guides donated their time and money to buy and deliver food to Honduras a couple of days ago. They just got back last night and could not believe how horrible it really is in northern Honduras. It’s still so wet that they were unable to light fires to cook the beans and rice for people, no one has anywhere to go, no one has any food. It’s apparently worse even than it looks on television. — Mary Mary V. Toy Kevin Modera Guide Services Professional Guides for Tropical Anglers Placencia, Belize Voice and Fax: (314) 776-3496 URL: http://www.kevinmodera.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: Looking to fish Belize next May, but I’m concerned about the damage that Mitch may have done. I’ve been searching the net for information to guide my trip decision, but haven’t come up with anything. I normally go to Belize River Lodge, but I have the feeling that they may have been washed away (they are right on the river). I was also considering Blue Horizon. Anyone have any idea how things fared at these two places and if Mitch’s rath may have screwed up the waters into next year? Thanks. Adam Hi Adam, I think they were pretty lucky in Belize. I am not really sure about total damage, but heard that El Pescador did OK. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
Hi: Looking to fish Belize next May, but I’m concerned about the damage that Mitch may have done. I’ve been searching the net for information to guide my trip decision, but haven’t come up with anything. I normally go to Belize River Lodge, but I have the feeling that they may have been washed away (they are right on the river). I was also considering Blue Horizon. Anyone have any idea how things fared at these two places and if Mitch’s rath may have screwed up the waters into next year? Thanks. Adam
Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was
Are you guys for real? You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. — Colin Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was
you moron they’re just asking about damn fishing trips here. take your patsyism elsewhere — Nicholas J. Slodki
:Are you guys for real? : :You’re talking about a hurricane that has killed thousands, and you’re :worried it may have messed up your proposed fishing trips. : : :– :Colin Brown : : : : Also interested in response … would like to go there next year … was : : : :
I would like some advice on bite tippets for Blue Fish and other toothy critters – both fresh and saltwater. I have used various wire type leaders for spin fishing but have no experience with fly fishing for northerns, blue fish etc. Thanks Jim
For bluefish smaller than 4 pounds you can get away with 30 pound mason or similar hard mono. Anything bigger and you will wnat singlestrand wire. Cehck out any of the good knot books (Mclane or whoever) for ways to join wire to mono. For spanish mackerel heavy mono is fine. King macs wire. Northern pike will let you get away with mono. there are some who say wire is better because it is thinner. In my experience it just scares the fish due to shine. Use clear Mason. Do no use braided wire. No good at all.
I would like some advice on bite tippets for Blue Fish and other toothy critters – both fresh and saltwater. I have used various wire type leaders for spin fishing but have no experience with fly fishing for northerns, blue fish etc. Thanks Jim — Flyfish NC Gordon Churchill http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3853
I would like some advice on bite tippets for Blue Fish and other toothy critters – both fresh and saltwater. I have used various wire type leaders for spin fishing but have no experience with fly fishing for northerns, blue fish etc. Thanks Jim
Hi Jim, I think most fly fishers use wire for Barracudas, Northern Pike, Sharks and Bluefish. For Billfish, Tarpon, Snook and Jacks most use heavy/hard mono. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
I think the St. Croix recommendation is a good too. I also like the Sage DS II series which will come in about $250. The reel isn’t as good as the ones mentioned but for a price of about $250 its a great way to start. My favorite lines are the Wulff Diamond Taper and the Cortland Lazer 444 for dry lines. For sinking lines, I really like the Scientific Angler Uniform Sink lines. All are about $45 to $50.
If it were me I’d look at the cabela’s, orvis, ll bean catalogs (they’ll send them free) for a 7wt. beginners outfit. They come complete and balanced. Orvis will set you up AND install the line & backing. The others will send you the components. A 7wt may give you an edge just in case a large mouth comes along. John Popp in Sanford Fl.
Follow the above advice, forget spending $400 on a setup when your only learning. (I assume your just starting because of the question about line size.)Why would you shell out $400 dollars for the possibility that you might hate the rod once you find out what your doing. Maybe you’ll like a slow action rod or a fast taper stick for distance fishing. Right now your not sure what you need or want. best thing is to throw a $100 bucks on a setup as mentioned above, and once you get used to the rod and can appreciate different types of actions, you can make an informed decision. Then you can spend the rest of the money on a better rod/reel setup. you may also find that you may want a different line weight etc, after you get some experience under your belt. you may also find that you may not even want a better rod, and that the cheapo does everything you want. Then you can blow the money on something more useful. Hell, you may even hate flyfishing once you start doing it.
I’m looking for the best combination of rod, reel, and line for fishing panfish, trout, and smallmouth in a lake setting. What brands would you recommend? I’m looking to spend around $400. Should I be looking at a 5 or 6 line(or other)? Friends have recommended the St. Croix Legend Ultra series of rods, and reel recommendation have gone from Scientific Anglers to Lamson to Orvis. I need the complete setup-rod, reel, line-Any help appreciated.
Hi Jeff, I’d suggest you take a look at the Orvis Silver Label TL 906 outfit for $360. However, I’d recommend upgrading the Battenkill reel to the disc version (adds $10 to the outfit price). IMO the Battenkill 5/6 Disc is a much better reel for only a few bucks more. The TL 906 is a 9ft. 6wt. rod made on a compound taper out of the highest modulus graphite Orvis uses. It is a light, fast action rod (9.5 on the Orvis flex index). It works best with a 6wt. line which is great for trout, smallbouth, and panfish in lakes,but if you want to put a 7wt. line on it and go fish for largemouth bass with deer hair poppers, it’ll do that fine too. One respondent suggested you don’t spend the $ for an outfit if your starting out for fear you may not like the rod once you gain some skill. The best choice if you don’t already fly fish, is to get a casting lesson and then try some of the various recommended rods out to see which one suits you best. With just one casting lesson you should be able to cast well enough to feel the difference between rods. Your tastes may change over the years, but you won’t get stuck with a stinker. If the TL 906 is too stiff for your tastes try out the Silver Label 906 which is a mid flex rod (Orvis index 6.0). Good Luck, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish
I’m looking for the best combination of rod, reel, and line for fishing panfish, trout, and smallmouth in a lake setting. What brands would you recommend? I’m looking to spend around $400. Should I be looking at a 5 or 6 line(or other)? Friends have recommended the St. Croix Legend Ultra series of rods, and reel recommendation have gone from Scientific Anglers to Lamson to Orvis. I need the complete setup-rod, reel, line-Any help appreciated.
I got the St. Croix Legend Ultra #4 travel rod, and I absolutely love it! It’s a pretty fast rod, so if you’re brand new to flyfishing, you want to consider slower action rod for easier casting.. But don’t take my word for it. Go to a decent shop and cast different rods yourself. It’s the only way to go! As for the reel, it’s basically just a place to store your line. Get a cheap one!
I’m looking for the best combination of rod, reel, and line for fishing panfish, trout, and smallmouth in a lake setting. What brands would you recommend? I’m looking to spend around $400. Should I be looking at a 5 or 6 line(or other)? Friends have recommended the St. Croix Legend Ultra series of rods, and reel recommendation have gone from Scientific Anglers to Lamson to Orvis. I need the complete setup-rod, reel, line-Any help appreciated.
Jeff, Don’t think of costs just for the rod, reel, line combo. Reddington has some really nice selections for a lot less than $400. In fact for under $200 you can get a complete set up, and then spend the other 200 on getting the flies, waders and such In fact I purchased a Reddington Red Start last year for around $110 and a Cortland reel for $30, Scientific angler line for $45. The rod has an unconditional lifetime guarantee, which I had to use already once. If nothing else the Reddington’s should not be overlooked. –Randy
Hi, I agree with the St. Croix reccommendation- I’d go for the Ultra Legend, and then buy a good SA – a system 2 if you can afford it, or an sa1 if you have to scrimp. I don’t agree about a Lamson, etc. reel on an Imperial – you’ll enjoy the rod more than the better reel (althought the St. Croix travel rods ARE nice). I just can’t see the big deal in some of these so – called big name reels. The SA system2 I’ve got has lasted years and is used almost daily in season and in the salt in the off-season in Florida. Just MHO. Bill — Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax : 902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca
I’m looking for the best combination of rod, reel, and line for fishing panfish, trout, and smallmouth in a lake setting. What brands would you recommend? I’m looking to spend around $400. Should I be looking at a 5 or 6 line(or other)? Friends have recommended the St. Croix Legend Ultra series of rods, and reel recommendation have gone from Scientific Anglers to Lamson to Orvis. I need the complete setup-rod, reel, line-Any help appreciated. Thanks Jeff
Friends have recommended the St. Croix Legend Ultra series of rods, and reel recommendation have gone from Scientific Anglers to Lamson to Orvis. I need the complete setup-rod, reel, line-Any help appreciated.
I threw the Legend Ultra last week for the first time. I was very surprised by its beefy feel, fast action and light weight. I’m probably going to buy one (or two) for house rods here….. For price and performance,I gave it an A+. I have a Lamson2….. straightforward, reliable, light and effective. The only negative thing I’d have to say about the reel is the expense of extra/replacement spools <steep. And for line, I’ve fallen in love with the Cortland 444 RLX. I does have memory, so cold stream fishing might give you some twists and turns… but if you keep it wet, it seldom (if ever) snarls/knots too badly. Oh… take these recommendations from a saltwater FFisher who recently tried fresh water for the first time. Cheers. -thor-
I’m looking for the best combination of rod, reel, and line for fishing panfish, trout, and smallmouth in a lake setting. What brands would you recommend? I’m looking to spend around $400. Should I be looking at a 5 or 6 line(or other)? Friends have recommended the St. Croix Legend Ultra series of rods, and reel recommendation have gone from Scientific Anglers to Lamson to Orvis. I need the complete setup-rod, reel, line-Any help appreciated. Thanks Jeff
Jeff, if you get the SC Legend Ultra and put an Orvis Battenkill Disc reel on it, you’ll have $350 invested in a fine outfit. Now add another $40-50 for a good line you are at your target price. On the other hand, you could get the St Croix Imperial 5/6 for $135 (I own the 4 piece travel model) and go up to the Lamson LP-2 reel. Add in the cost of the line and you’re still close to your target price. BTW, this is a *great* rod for the money. Now, my advice is to get the Legend Ultra and the Orvis Battenkill Disc Drag reel. You should have a really good rod, the reel is not quite so important so long as you stay away from the K-Mart specials. More important than the reel is get a *good* quality line. I have used Scientific Anglers for years and have no complaints. There are those who will disagree with my opinions, but advice is free, and you get what you pay for. ) Frank Church Elkhart, IN
I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use?
Hi Jared, The simple thing to do for this weekend would be to check with your local fly shop to see what info they have on the local river you plan to fish. It’s in their best interest to help you be successfull so don’t hesitate to ask. If they won’t give you the time of day, go to a different shop. The suggestions Donn gave you are the best for the long term though. Learn the basic life-cycles of mayflies, caddisflies, stoneflies, and midges. Learn to identify them. Don’t need to know the particular species or latin name, but at least learn to tell the difference between mayflies and caddisflies, etc. To start, ignore the latin names most books will give, though they may interest you later. Remeber, the other spelling for entomolgy is "bugs". Learn how to take a stream sample without destroying a lot of habitat. What works can change from hour to hour let alone week to week and if you can identify what’s available you’ll do much better than "chuck it and chance it." You’ll never learn it all, but you’ll have a great time trying. good fishing, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
Jared, That is a question that even 66 year old men ask. This is what fly fishing is all about and what you spend a life time doing in this sport to try to figure out. The fly can change from one moment to the next to the next and so on. I can change right in front of you for several hundred different reasons. Do not get overwhelmed by this but just look at it as a challenge. Do yourself a favor and try to do a couple of the following things and it will make you a much better fly fisher. First and foremost – learn the basics of entomology; this looks hard but really isn’t. Get with another fisherman who understands the basics and have him explain it to you. Pick up any of many primers on this to help you. Next – Check the streams you intend to fish for what type of insects you have and when they hatch and how they act. Next – Begin gathering those insects in specimen bottles and preserving them for future studies. Hopefully in the not too distant future, you can begin tying flies and you will have a data base to begin to copy. Pick up some isopropyl alcohol from Wal-Mart, K-Mart or any drug store; it is very inexpensive. Put a solution of 90% alcohol and 10% water in the vial and then add your insect and cover. Put a sticker of some kind on it and put what it is and where you got it from. If you want to begin a diary of all this, it will help you learn faster and give you tremendous abount of your own information that is better than anything you hear or read. Next – Always be observant for changes in anything in or around the river and what effect it has on the fish and insects. Go with other fly fishers and ask questions. Your brain is a many giga-byte hard drive and just begin to fill it with as many bite of information as you can. You will never come close to getting them all and just never stop; it is a life long endeavor. This is not tuff stuff and as long as you enjoy it, it will be easy and fun and make you an experinced fly fisher at the same time. Donn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use? Thankyou Tight Lines, Jared Staskiel "In our family, there was no clear line between religion and fly fishing" —Norman Maclean (1976)
I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use? Thankyou Tight Lines, Jared Staskiel "In our family, there was no clear line between religion and fly fishing" —Norman Maclean (1976)
I am thinking of moving to Phoenix, but I want o know if there is anywhere to flyfish out there. If anyone could help me I would appreciate it.
I am thinking of moving to Phoenix, but I want o know if there is anywhere to flyfish out there. If anyone could help me I would appreciate it.
By out there, I assume you mean Arizona in general. There are at least a dozen bass lakes within 1-2 hours of Phoenix, most of which support largemouth, smallmouth, crappies, panfish, whitebass, etc. Within 2-3 hours you can reach the Flagstaff Area which is surrounded by one of the largest Ponderosa Pine forests in the U.S. (7000+ ft elevation). There are a variety of lakes with rainbows, browns, walleye, northern pike and a few streams (rainbows/browns) in the area. Then 3-4 hours will bring you to the White Mountains/Apache Indian Reservation and some of the best fishing in the state. There are many lakes/streams/creeks in the area which support browns, rainbows, grayling, and native species such as the Apache and Gila trout. Recent fishing reports have mentioned quite a few 3-5 pound rainbows being caught (and hopefully released) at some of the White Mountain lakes. I shouldn’t fail to mention Lee’s Ferry on the Colorado River, 4-5 hours from Phoenix, a definite Blue-Ribbon tailwater fishery (barbless hooks, fly/artifical lure only, and slot limits). Of course, 6-10 hours will get you to quite a few places in Utah, New Mexico, and Colorado including San Juan, Animas, Boulder Mountain, etc. And don’t forget, AZ is close to Mexico and saltwater flyfishing If you want some more specific information you can contact the folks at Canyon Creek Anglers (a flyshop in Phoenix) at 602-277-8195.
Tim Walker wrote;
ok…stay open minded for a second here… during the spawn, fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows). Use an egg pattern downstream the redds. Close the beds to wading. Theory: 1. More of the natural spawn will survive (nailing immediate predator). 2. Alternate species is culled resulting in better, although maybe fewer, of these fish.3. More fry is available to the ‘better fish’, thus
they get even better. 4. Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving.
Nice theory but; 1. What about the creek chubs, fallfish, cutlips minnow, longnose dace, shortnose dace, white suckes, common shiners, sculpins, stonerolllers, silverjaw minnow,bigeye chub, streamline chub, gravel chub, hornyhead chub, river chub, pearl dace,redside dace,….etc..etc.. and thats just a small example of a few "other" stream fish from Central New York. These will all eat trout eggs, so ya better plan on catching alot of fish. 2. Eggs will not survive unless they are under gravel and have adequate water circulation. They will not suvive by just floating (bouncing) around the stream, and settling on the bottom doesn’t count. It takes about 145 days at 1.9 C for the eggs to hatch, thats a long time to be unprotected by a redd even if they could survive outside. 3. Why do you think trout produce so many eggs?? Brown trout eggs are typically 3-5mm in diameter and a female will produce about 800-1200 eggs PER POUND of body weight. They can afford to lose a few. 4. Natural mortality will kill off about 99.9% of the eggs, larva, juveniles before they reach maturity anyway. That just the way it goes. Remember you only need, on average, 2 trout to survive to maturity for each spawning pair to keep the spawning population constant. And since some individuals will spawn in more than one year the number you need to survive in reality is less than that. 5. Your alternate competitor with rainbows theroy seems to make sense but; where do you catch most of your rainbows ?? in the riffs right! And where do you catch most of your brown trout; in the slower water, right! Thats because these species will naturally segregate to avoid (as much as possible) direct competition. If there was indeed direct competition for the same habitat, there would be only one winner. "No two species can inhabit the exact same niche at the same time and in the same place". Regards; Mark Arrigo SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry Syracuse NY
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last week I caught my first female brown laden with eggs. She was a vigorous fighter. After bringing her to the net quickly, I released her, and then discovered eggs in my net. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks. Scott Branyan Rogers, AR — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR
Do not handle them at all.How would you like to be pulled out of the bedroom during such an enjoyful act?
fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows). Use an egg pattern downstream the redds. Close the beds to wading. 1. More of the natural spawn will survive (nailing immediate predator). 2. Alternate species is culled resulting in better, although maybe fewer, of these fish. 3. More fry is available to the ‘better fish’, thus they get even better. 4. Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving.
Tim, I would agree about closing the beds to wading, in fact I think they should be closed to fishing. 1. Trout eggs are buried in gravel, only the ones that float free are eaten by other fish. They would not survive even if the predator fish were not there. 2. Man is not a good tool to use for culling, nature is. Man destroys all things equally, nature removes the weak. 3. Nature only allows 1 or 2 percent of the eggs to reach maturity in the wild, when man starts fooling around with this there is trouble. 4. Smoked stockers is a great idea, in fact they should smoke them at the hatchery and leave our trout streams alone so we can have catch and release fishing for wild trout. Just my opinion Ernie Harrison
: 4. Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving. I’ll take about 4 pounds, please. Bill my account. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | These University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | are mine.
Dear Fishing nuts, Ive always found that the best way to handle a spawning fish is to begin with a light dinner… you know.. maybe take her out to wsomewhere nice… perhaps a nice big plate full of salmno fly nymphs… then, of course, take that fish out dancing and carousing… get her really into the mood.. then, well, back home for some serious spawning.. if you know waht I mean. edwin
Proper way to handle spawning fish? On alternate years…CLOSE THE SEASON AT AN EARLIER DATE!!!! just my $.02 worth steve drossel Don’t know if this would be the best solution….but I don’t think it would hurt.
Last week I caught my first female brown laden with eggs. She was a vigorous fighter. After bringing her to the net quickly, I released her, and then discovered eggs in my net. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks. Scott Branyan Rogers, AR — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR
Here’s a twist… ok…stay open minded for a second here… during the spawn, fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows). Use an egg pattern downstream the redds. Close the beds to wading. Theory: 1. More of the natural spawn will survive (nailing immediate predator). 2. Alternate species is culled resulting in better, although maybe fewer, of these fish. 3. More fry is available to the ‘better fish’, thus they get even better. 4. Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving. Courteous replies encouraged !!! Tim Walker
…. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks.
If you think of each of those eggs as a future large trout you’ll want them buried in the peagravel, and only the mother can do that. These large brown trout can spawn naturally without undue stress if you leave them alone at this time. Rainbows are busy fattening up for the winter and will give a much better fight than a spawning brown, if you have any rainbow trout waters you can fish. Mark Vinsel May these eggs produce trout that break the tippets of our grandchildren. http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html
Tim Walker wrote during the spawn, fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows). Use an egg pattern downstream the redds. Close the beds to wading.
(etc…) Tim, I was under the impression that eggs floating downstream are not going to survive anyway; therefore, removing the rainbows that are eating the eggs is not going to make a difference. Am I correct? I like closing the beds to wading. People should fish more from shore in general, especially during the spawning season. Rob
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Last week I caught my first female brown laden with eggs. She was a vigorous fighter. After bringing her to the net quickly, I released her, and then discovered eggs in my net. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks. Scott Branyan Rogers, AR — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR
The best way to handle a spawning trout is to not catch it, but if you do, leave the fish in the water (not using your net) and unhook the trout or cut the leader. I usually try to avoid handling of the fish anyway which works very well except in very strong current. Maybe we should think about not fishing for spawning trout to preserve the populations (That means also not wading in parts of a river where trout spawn!). Only my personal opinion Thomas
: I`m looking for free stretches of River that I can `fish a fly` : around the Hampshire area of England. Tried Woodmill, Southampton : but no Trout rising. Perhaps I will try to build a U.K. database : if there is enough interest? : Cheers. I imagine it’s highly unlikely you will find any free fly fishing in the UK, let alone in Hampshire. There may be the odd municipal stretch, though it probably would not be worthwhile. Still, if you discover any do let me know. Nigel — Sussex University, England
I`m looking for free stretches of River that I can `fish a fly` around the Hampshire area of England. Tried Woodmill, Southampton but no Trout rising. Perhaps I will try to build a U.K. database if there is enough interest? Cheers. — Clivey