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<SNIP The aspiration for ‘reasonable contentment’ is one we probably all share, Mike. I’m not sure it’s been the driving force behind mankind’s most impressive achievements, though.

War has usually been the driving force for man

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I am in the process of trying to learn how to fly fish.  I live in Utah, and my office is at the mouth of Provo canyon, and only 4 1/2 minutes away from some really good lunch time fishing spots, on the Provo river.  Last summer I bought a rod and real, and a coworker of mine taught me to roll cast, and explained to me the concept of fishing with dry fly’s.  this winter I read "Fly fishing for the complete idiot: a no-nonsense guide to fly casting" by Michael Rutter, and have been practicing casting on my lawn.  I am ok with casting now (or will be with more practice), and I understand what to do with dry fly’s, but I am clue less on how to setup and present a wet fly.  I am looking for a recommendation on a book that will go into more detail on setting my line up for a wet fly,and presentation of both wet and dry flys. Jim Ferry Orem, Utah

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I am in the process of trying to learn how to fly fish.  I live in Utah, and my office is at the mouth of Provo canyon, and only 4 1/2 minutes away from some really good lunch time fishing spots, on the Provo river.

Your "office" is really that gas station across from the old power plant, right? –Steve

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The big ugly pink building building 3/4 mile down university ave.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the process of trying to learn how to fly fish.  I live in Utah, and my office is at the mouth of Provo canyon, and only 4 1/2 minutes away from some really good lunch time fishing spots, on the Provo river. Your "office" is really that gas station across from the old power plant, right? –Steve

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Prospecting For Trout (Rosenbauer) for overall strategy.  Nymph Fishing (Hughes) good starter book for nymph fishing (is that what you mean by wet?)

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    My favorite "how to" book is Borger’s Presentation. I loaned mine to Bob Skinner last year, so it’s probably for sale in some Buffalo WY used book store by now. Hint: if Buffalo has more than one used book store, check the ones closest to the liquor stores. And thats only assuming Buffalo doesn’t have any brothels that take used books in trade.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the process of trying to learn how to fly fish.  I live in Utah, and my office is at the mouth of Provo canyon, and only 4 1/2 minutes away from some really good lunch time fishing spots, on the Provo river.  Last summer I bought a rod and real, and a coworker of mine taught me to roll cast, and explained to me the concept of fishing with dry fly’s.  this winter I read "Fly fishing for the complete idiot: a no-nonsense guide to fly casting" by Michael Rutter, and have been practicing casting on my lawn.  I am ok with casting now (or will be with more practice), and I understand what to do with dry fly’s, but I am clue less on how to setup and present a wet fly. I am looking for a recommendation on a book that will go into more detail on setting my line up for a wet fly,and presentation of both wet and dry

flys.

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    My favorite "how to" book is Borger’s Presentation. I loaned mine to Bob Skinner last year, so it’s probably for sale in some Buffalo WY used book store by now. Hint: if Buffalo has more than one used book store, check the ones closest to the liquor stores. And thats only assuming Buffalo doesn’t have any brothels that take used books in trade.

  Yeah, that’s a pretty good book.  But, I still have it.  No book stores or brothels in Buffalo and I buy my beer out of state ($7.00/case last time I went back to Lexington, NE.  I bought 5 cases)   Peggy says we need to get your books and rod back to you.  I think she really means she wants to go to Denver to see our daughter and Peggy’s sister and do some shopping.  I will bring fine cigars for rent on the books. Snoop —

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    My favorite "how to" book is Borger’s Presentation. I loaned mine to Bob Skinner last year, so it’s probably for sale in some Buffalo WY used book store by now.

Yes, good one  I think it’s a good book too.  Also, one that can be left on the coffee table without your SO griping about it.

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I just returned "Presenting  the Fly" by Lefty Kreh to the library.  Very good book, published in 1999.  He covers more that trout in it and it has some good tips on gear.  It’s around $40 so when I need it again it’s back to the library for me or just read it at B&N.

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Though I should be an expert at jig tieing …… Are there books on tieing jigs. Thier are many to be found for fly fishing (I just cant understand the appeal). John Jay Wirth Jay Wirth Renaissance Ink Member GPA

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Though I should be an expert at jig tieing …… Are there books on tieing jigs. Thier are many to be found for fly fishing (I just cant understand the appeal).

        Jay-         You ever tie into a 2 lb. largemouth on a flyrod? AWESOME!!! And smallies are even better!         Bob– Robert E. Longshore

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ya, in n.w montana there are hangers around for rent.–60 a month for a 3 sided no door-100 for a door and dirt floor–200 concrete floor ,paved runway, electricity free. cheaper in some smaller areas. 500 a month for a 2 bedroom house or 80,000 to buy. all kinds of real backcountry strips, wilderness and forest service. look at the great falls sectional. within an hour you are in real wilderness with great fishing, camping ,hunting on the strips. northern idaho and n.w. montana are hard to beat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there any anywhere in the West, like Wyoming, CA, NV, MT, ID?  I’m in the East and ready to go west.  Would you e-mail me if you don’t want to post in the group. Airports and hangar space are endangered species here in the East but get no protection.  My trusty ol’ taildragger and I are ready to go back out west where I can fly a little while I finish a homebuilt bushplane. I’m pushing 60 and need to hurry. Before you buy.

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I have 20+ year rights to one spot in an excellent community hanger ($15,000) as well as an individual hanger ($25,500) at Shelby, NC (EHO).  Email for detail if serious.  You don’t have to go West only to Western North Carolina. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there any anywhere in the West, like Wyoming, CA, NV, MT, ID?  I’m in the East and ready to go west.  Would you e-mail me if you don’t want to post in the group. Airports and hangar space are endangered species here in the East but get no protection.  My trusty ol’ taildragger and I are ready to go back out west where I can fly a little while I finish a homebuilt bushplane. I’m pushing 60 and need to hurry. Before you buy.

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  The individual hanger is no longer available.    Jerry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have 20+ year rights to one spot in an excellent community hanger ($15,000) as well as an individual hanger ($25,500) at Shelby, NC (EHO).  Email for detail if serious.  You don’t have to go West only to Western North Carolina. Is there any anywhere in the West, like Wyoming, CA, NV, MT, ID?  I’m in the East and ready to go west.  Would you e-mail me if you don’t want to post in the group. Airports and hangar space are endangered species here in the East but get no protection.  My trusty ol’ taildragger and I are ready to go back out west where I can fly a little while I finish a homebuilt bushplane. I’m pushing 60 and need to hurry. Before you buy.

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Is there any anywhere in the West, like Wyoming, CA, NV, MT, ID?  I’m in the East and ready to go west.  Would you e-mail me if you don’t want to post in the group. Airports and hangar space are endangered species here in the East but get no protection.  My trusty ol’ taildragger and I are ready to go back out west where I can fly a little while I finish a homebuilt bushplane. I’m pushing 60 and need to hurry. Before you buy.

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James (???) Seriously?  OK.  Right now, at RSL (Russell, Kansas) I know of one NEW T-Hangar (Erect-A-Tube) that was built this spring for sale, in a group of 8 I believe, with power, concrete, bi-fold doors, concrete ramp.  The deal was, the people bought the hangars (materials and concrete price), city erected them and poured the concrete.  IIRC, one can be yours for right at $10K.  The city wouldn’t start the project before they were ALL sold, so a local vet that wanted one for his 180 Cherokee bought two that finished them up. Alternatively, if you want to build your own, you’re welcome to lease the property on the field to build on for long term (99 years IIRC) and build whatever you like, as long as you put an airplane in it.  Housing is dirt cheap with the farm economy in the toilet and most of the Oil guys just barely getting by right now.  Expect to pay 30% or less for a home around here than you would for an equivalent one in any metro area or anywhere back east. RSL is not unique.  There are lots of places that have similar situations. Look for small towns that are not served by commuters, but with nice airports, that are looking for, and in fact even actively courting, new planes to come in. BTW-There is an EAA Chapter at RSL and several homebuilts there now. I personally pay a total of $75/month for a 50X30 Brick T-hangar with an office and power (It’s an end T and the office is the dead space.)  In short, there are hangars and airports in the Midwest anyway, that are actively seeking your airplane. Happy hunting. — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there any anywhere in the West, like Wyoming, CA, NV, MT, ID?  I’m in the East and ready to go west.  Would you e-mail me if you don’t want to post in the group. Airports and hangar space are endangered species here in the East but get no protection.  My trusty ol’ taildragger and I are ready to go back out west where I can fly a little while I finish a homebuilt bushplane. I’m pushing 60 and need to hurry. Before you buy.

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Hello, I’m new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Tim Apple, I’m from Rockford Illinois. I’ve been on only a few excursions lasting over a week(excluding my time in the army). Due to my work schedule, it’s mostly weekend trips. And most of my trips are usually by water cuz my true love is FlyFishing. But in general would go anywhere. Just wanted to say hello. Tim Apple "Is a mirage real? Well it’s a real mirage." – Ed Abbey

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Hello, I’m new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Tim Apple, I’m from Rockford Illinois. I’ve been on only a few excursions lasting over a week(excluding my time in the army). Due to my work schedule, it’s mostly weekend trips. And most of my trips are usually by water cuz my true love is FlyFishing. But in general would go anywhere. Just wanted to say hello.

    Well, High. :^) Sam (Hi, Higher, Heist) Sands – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim Apple "Is a mirage real? Well it’s a real mirage." – Ed Abbey

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Hello Tim, If you find any good places to go, let me know.  My son and I are just starting to get into backpacking.  We are in the Dundee/Elgin area.  Rick. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Tim Apple, I’m from Rockford Illinois. I’ve been on only a few excursions lasting over a week(excluding my time in the army). Due to my work schedule, it’s mostly weekend trips. And most of my trips are usually by water cuz my true love is FlyFishing. But in general would go anywhere. Just wanted to say hello.     Well, High. :^) Sam (Hi, Higher, Heist) Sands Tim Apple "Is a mirage real? Well it’s a real mirage." – Ed Abbey

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We are planning on a trip – Montreal to Vancouver would appreciate comments regarding best road route to use. CGs also please. Trip about May / June this year. Is this too early, don’t want snow. Thanks and greetings to all Aubrey

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Shouldn’t have many concerns about snow in May, June. I’ll bet you would enjoy the Trans Canada Highway. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are planning on a trip – Montreal to Vancouver would appreciate comments regarding best road route to use. CGs also please. Trip about May / June this year. Is this too early, don’t want snow. Thanks and greetings to all Aubrey

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Having done the trip I would suggest Hwy 17 from Montreal to Winnipeg then the Yellowhead Hwy from Winnipeg to BC via Regina and Edmonton then back down to Hwy 1 for the trip to Banff and down into Vancouver.  When travelling in Northern Ontario you should focus on the Provincial Park system around the top of Lake Superior, the campgrounds are beautiful and serviced.  Early May could be a problem for open campgrounds but the end of May and June will be fine except for BLACK FLIES which MAY – MAY be bad from time to time. Its beautiful countryside, enjoy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We are planning on a trip – Montreal to Vancouver would appreciate comments regarding best road route to use.

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We are planning on a trip – Montreal to Vancouver would appreciate comments regarding best road route to use. CGs also please. Trip about May / June this year. Is this too early, don’t want snow. Thanks and greetings to all Aubrey

    Well there was the time,west of Calgaryt in mid May 1985, that we got caught in an unexpected Spring snowstorm that reduce highway #1 down to one lane through really wet ,heavy stuff.  We arrived in Calgary and headed North where there had been no snow at all.    Last year we visited Jasper in mid May and everything was extremely dry.   This year Edmonton has had tons of snow but it’s so dry South of Red Deer that some areas have had grass fires.    Go for it but be prepared for anything, at least an RV will give you the option of getting off the road if the weather gets bad.    I concur with Bill on not missing the Jasper -Banff highway. Most people here say that the North to South route is easier for heavy vehicles and most of the best view points are on that side of the road.   Happy camping. Roy Schmaus http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~schmaus/

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Having done the trip I would suggest Hwy 17 from Montreal to Winnipeg then the Yellowhead Hwy from Winnipeg to BC via Regina and Edmonton then back

This is good advice, however the Yellowhead will miss Regina.  Missing Regina is a good thing.   (Prepare yourself – sales pitch for Saskatchewan approaching) The Yellowhead will take you through Yorkton, Saskatoon & North Battleford.  Within three hours to the north of any of these cities are some beautiful parks that could be destinations for your trip.  I realize you want to "see Canada" but you really should take the time to travel to Waskesiu.  If you like golfing (which I don’t) it has a course that ranks with any in Canada.  It is a national park so you get the wildlife thing (elk, deer, bear).  We don’t consider it good fishing (because it is so much better if you go a little further north) but most north americans would.  There is a good full service campground as well as a large area with electric only sites or unserviced sites.  I believe they have something over 300 sites in total.  Just outside the park at Elk Ridge is a brand new full service RV park attached to an 18 hole golf course. If you get past Waskesiu into northern Saskatchewan you can find everything from fully serviced to fully primitive camping.  You can fly into some of the best freshwater fishing in the world.  If you know where to go you can drive to some pretty damn good fishing.  Just drop me even the slightest hint that you are interested and I will deluge you with information. Once you get past Saskatchewan it is all downhill but there are some sort of pretty spots.   :-} There’s the obvious stuff that everyone goes to – Banff, L.Louise, Jasper, Columbia Icefields.  Off the beaten path a bit there are some really nice spots.  We like the Kootenay Valley – there is a park on the east shore of Kootenay Lake that we like – I think it is Whispering Cedars or something like that.  On the other side of Kootenay lake don’t miss the historic town of Kaslo and the ghost town of Sandon.  There are natural hot springs at Nakusp and at Ainsworth. Another lovely area is the Sicamous lakes around Salmon Arm, BC.   Just make sure not to miss Saskatchewan.

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That time of the year should be fine.  Canada is no colder than the upper U.S. and we did away with our igloos some time ago.  You only have one direct route here if you want to come right across and that is Hwy #1 the Trans Canada Highway.  Very pretty drive once you enter Alberta and British Columbia.  This route takes you through Banff and the interior of British columbia which at that time of the year gets into the high 80s.  Have a nice trip and enjoy Canada. Rick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are planning on a trip – Montreal to Vancouver would appreciate comments regarding best road route to use. CGs also please. Trip about May / June this year. Is this too early, don’t want snow. Thanks and greetings to all Aubrey

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That time of the year should be fine.  Canada is no colder than the upper U.S. We are planning on a trip – Montreal to Vancouver would appreciate comments regarding best road route to use. CGs also please. Trip about May / June this year. Is this too early, don’t want snow.

You shouldn’t have any trouble. I took the train across Canada one year from Cape Breton Island, NS to Hazelton, BC and back, in March, and saw little snow. Today I drove halfway up the west coast of Newfoundland and there was no snow on the highway. Bet you’ll have a great trip in May/June. But just the same, keep an eye on the weather. Here’s one of my favourite weather websites:                 http://icons.wunderground.com/global/CN_ST_Index.html Doug

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And mighty fine ones at that!  Born and raised there myself.  What more need be said. : ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone once said that the best way to see Saskatchewan is in your rear view mirror! I can’t let that pass but I don’t know what else to say except that our biggest export is people.

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Someone once said that the best way to see Saskatchewan is in your rear view mirror!

I can’t let that pass but I don’t know what else to say except that our biggest export is people.

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Someone once said that the best way to see Saskatchewan is in your rear view mirror! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having done the trip I would suggest Hwy 17 from Montreal to Winnipeg then the Yellowhead Hwy from Winnipeg to BC via Regina and Edmonton then back This is good advice, however the Yellowhead will miss Regina.  Missing Regina is a good thing. (Prepare yourself – sales pitch for Saskatchewan approaching) The Yellowhead will take you through Yorkton, Saskatoon & North Battleford.  Within three hours to the north of any of these cities are some beautiful parks that could be destinations for your trip.  I realize you want to "see Canada" but you really should take the time to travel to Waskesiu.  If you like golfing (which I don’t) it has a course that ranks with any in Canada.  It is a national park so you get the wildlife thing (elk, deer, bear).  We don’t consider it good fishing (because it is so much better if you go a little further north) but most north americans would.  There is a good full service campground as well as a large area with electric only sites or unserviced sites.  I believe they have something over 300 sites in total.  Just outside the park at Elk Ridge is a brand new full service RV park attached to an 18 hole golf course. If you get past Waskesiu into northern Saskatchewan you can find everything from fully serviced to fully primitive camping.  You can fly into some of the best freshwater fishing in the world.  If you know where to go you can drive to some pretty damn good fishing.  Just drop me even the slightest hint that you are interested and I will deluge you with information. Once you get past Saskatchewan it is all downhill but there are some sort of pretty spots.   :-} There’s the obvious stuff that everyone goes to – Banff, L.Louise, Jasper, Columbia Icefields.  Off the beaten path a bit there are some really nice spots.  We like the Kootenay Valley – there is a park on the east shore of Kootenay Lake that we like – I think it is Whispering Cedars or something like that.  On the other side of Kootenay lake don’t miss the historic town of Kaslo and the ghost town of Sandon.  There are natural hot springs at Nakusp and at Ainsworth. Another lovely area is the Sicamous lakes around Salmon Arm, BC. Just make sure not to miss Saskatchewan.

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 Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk).

Hillary was born in upstate New Yawk, wasn’t she?  :-) We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk)

Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow . Why do we always apologize for winning?

Because it’s the polite thing to do. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Steve Cooper: << Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). Yeah, a lying, draft-dodging coward, who can’t keep his dick where it belongs. Dave LaCourse

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As a canuck too I think the real problems started when that damn frenchman came from france ans said aloud "Vive La Quebec Libre"….basically telling them they had the support of the French Nation…..In reality as a person who lived in europe for some time I can tell ya that the Fenrch look on the Quebecers as bastard childer and rednecks. As a final thought I say we give them all a shovel and they can dig the friggin’ place off the map for all I care. My .02+ cents Andrew Save the flames I don’t care either way

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As a canuck too…

Ummm…just a point of clarification.  I’m not Canadian, having been born just south of Lake Erie, which explains why I know next to nothing about Canadian history.  However, some of my ancestors reportedly did live in Canada for a while before heading south…  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Wayne Harrison wrote FiddleAway wrote Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double … I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war     war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated

Being a second generation southern californian, I’m not sure I qualify for Yankee status (by the way, I hate the Yankees…especially this year…but that’s another story).  Though I wouldn’t be surprised if being from the West Coast puts me even lower on the Cracker Scale than a yankee. (However, 2 generations back my people are from Arkansas, so at least I have a little of that high IQ genetic material in my background). —                                                       -dnc- BTW – you can start a new war if you want to wayno, but I assure you that the first one did end on the day ol’ Bob E handed in his sword.

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 Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). Hillary was born in upstate New Yawk, wasn’t she?  :-)

You are correct. In my naiivete, I thought it was Wee Willy that runs the country, but your analysis is more accurate We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow .

That was the first time the Francos and Anglos did battle on N.A. soil. The fight for Canada happened much later, after the U.S./British thing was pretty much settled (but before the North/South disagreements).This all happened when Louis Riel rallied the French and the Metis for independence from the Brits in Canada. They all gathered to yell insults at General Wolfe et al on the Plains of Abraham, but I don’t remember the exact date. Yes its true, we Canadians actually had our own war that involved no one but ourselves. For such an apathetic bunch, we musta been really pissed to start fightin’ amongst ourselves about it! Why do we always apologize for winning? Because it’s the polite thing to do.

But we never seem to get anything resolved Stevo "I’m really PISSED about being so apathetic..well not really pissed, just abit mad…. well actually only a little upset…well actually it doesn’t really bother me that much …well actually I don’t really care…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Geez, Steve – even I, as nearly non-Canuck-history-aware as it’s possible to be, know that the French lost "New France" to the British during the Seven Year’s War sometime around 1760 or so.  (I seem to recall that George Washington fought on the British side, so I’m pretty sure that this was before the colonies told Fat Georgie to make like the wind and blow . That was the first time the Francos and Anglos did battle on N.A. soil. The fight for Canada happened much later, after the U.S./British thing was pretty much settled (but before the North/South disagreements).This all happened when Louis Riel rallied the French and the Metis for independence from the Brits in Canada. They all gathered to yell insults at General Wolfe et al on the Plains of Abraham, but I don’t remember the exact date.

that was in 1970 after crowds of angry francophone snowmen pelted then Prime Minister Trudeau with bottles of screech during the annual Quebec City Winterfest riot – this happens every year on the Quebecois National fete (holiday) named after the dead French monk St Jean De Batiste. BTW the Plains of Abraham were named after Abraham Lincoln following his assination. We always loved Lincoln as it was thanks to his heroic actions emmigration of US residents to Canada dropped dramatically. We were so happy following that event we formed the country named the plains had a battle with the Grand Armee of Napoleon the First and confederated the country all in one drunken melee. We’ve all been hung over since that great day. Canadian Politics give me such a head ache! Vive La Canada! Ralph H (always on topic) remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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Ralph H wrote [snip]…   …Canadian Politics give me such a head ache!

Beats the politics of your southern neighbors (at least currently), eh? —                                                       -dnc-

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I am 57 years old and lived in New England for the past five years after moving from so. Calif.  I go fly fishing each year  to Maine or Rhode Island and I haven’t caught anything yet.  The problem is because I insist on using flys I’ve tied myself.  It’s very sporting that way.  I used to catch fish in Calif. but nothing in Maine or R.I. I guess the fish are smarter out here.

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I am 57 years old and lived in New England for the past five years after moving from so. Calif.  I go fly fishing each year  to Maine or Rhode Island and I haven’t caught anything yet.  The problem is because I insist on using flys I’ve tied myself.  It’s very sporting that way.  I used to catch fish in Calif. but nothing in Maine or R.I. I guess the fish are smarter out here.

        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.           i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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   i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)    wayno

That song always makes me think of my first wife<g. — Charlie…

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.         i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno

Um, doesn’t the chosen location of the fisherman provide a fairly dramatic refutation of at least part of your assertion?  ;-) From the fellow living in God’s country. ATB — Andrew Brunette

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.         i can’t help it if i’m lucky…(yeah, i know, bob dylan said it first)         wayno

        (strategic snip) From the fellow living in God’s country. ATB — Andrew Brunette

        hell, andrew, i didn’t know you lived in rowan county!  just outside granite quarry, maybe? wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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        scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.

Well, let’s see…I live east of the river and work west of it. In an effort to maximize my intellectual capacity I think I’ll stay home today… Scot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom. Well, let’s see…I live east of the river and work west of it. In an effort to maximize my intellectual capacity I think I’ll stay home today… Scot

    ah, yet another testimonial to the impeccable accuracy of my intial post.     wayno the smug

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Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.     wayno the smug

I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                       -dnc-

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I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                     -dnc-

 Ever see "The Mouse That Roared"?  The US is known to spend millions upon millions in countries they defeat in war.  Just note how those dumb, ignorant Southerners in Arkansas Spring Arkansas sold WATER to those BRILLIANT Yankees! It also worked in Warm Springs Va., Hot Springs Va., Sarasota Fla., even Miami Beach! Wayne Hart to fish is human…to release divine

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Wayne Harrison scientific studies have shown that the i.q. of both fish and fishermen east of the mississippi and south of the potomac are approximately double that of the same subjects westerly and northerly therefrom.     wayno the smug I wonder how a bunch of smart guys like that lost the war —                                                      -dnc-

    war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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    war ain’t over yet, yank:) wayno the undefeated

  Hell no the war ain’t over. I’m with Wayno on this one. To all the smug yankees who think they defeated the South, may I remind you who presently runs your country (smirk, smirk). We Canucks of English descent (who defeated the French on the Plains of Abraham in 1800 and something, Canadian history-really boring) are in the same predicament, as we have a Franco-canadian running our country. (unsmirk, unsmirk) Why do we always apologize for winning? Stevo the unsmug

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Hello, it is much easier to take the non-ac-bus from Hat Yai to Satun (96 km to the Southwest) in the morning at 7.10 am or 9.40 am for about 30 Baht.

by me at lunch.  er, sorry, you might make it for dinner.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From Satun take the taxi for about 20 Baht to the harbour plus the Express Ferry at 1 pm or 4 pm for 150 Baht in 75 Minutes. Immigration formalities are at the pier. Have fun. Ciao Maybe not the most direct route, but jump the train down to Butterworth, and catch a ferry from Penang up to Langkwai. Steve Hello: Anybody with info on this please post/email.  Will also appreciate info on inexpensive accomodation at these two places.  I plan on being there mid-December.  I will fly from the US to BKK and then domestic to Hat Yai. Langkwai is across the border. Thanks in advance. Satya

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Hello, it is much easier to take the non-ac-bus from Hat Yai to Satun (96 km to the Southwest) in the morning at 7.10 am or 9.40 am for about 30 Baht. by me at lunch.  er, sorry, you might make it for dinner.

So what do you do once you exit your cool A/C bus? Turn on your portable, battery-powered air-conditioner, or rent a luxury limousine to drive you around? Most of the Thais survive the non-AC buses. You will too… – Fabian

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There was once a ferry, during the dry season, from Satun town to Langkawi. No need to go to Penang first. Only way to know if the ferry will operate this December is to simply go to Satun town and ask about it. There are many local travelers, so my guess is yes, it will operate. For a ride from Hat Yai to Satun town, ask any "tuk tuk" driver in Had Yai. He will know not only about the public buses, but also about the small and private mini-vans which ferry local Thai office workers between Had Yai and Satun town during the rush hours each day. Foreigners are welcome on this mini-vans. Note that this is an "international" ferry crossing. Passports will be checked at a small island about halfway between Satun and Langkawi, and the small ship will be inspected. The islands in the area are fantastic. Small boats to the islands on the Thai side of the border leave mostly from a small fishing village called Pak Bara. — George Moore http://www.slip.net/~georgem – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe not the most direct route, but jump the train down to Butterworth, and catch a ferry from Penang up to Langkwai. Steve Hello: Anybody with info on this please post/email.  Will also appreciate info on inexpensive accomodation at these two places.  I plan on being there mid-December.  I will fly from the US to BKK and then domestic to Hat Yai. Langkwai is across the border. Thanks in advance. Satya

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Maybe not the most direct route, but jump the train down to Butterworth, and catch a ferry from Penang up to Langkwai. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: Anybody with info on this please post/email.  Will also appreciate info on inexpensive accomodation at these two places.  I plan on being there mid-December.  I will fly from the US to BKK and then domestic to Hat Yai. Langkwai is across the border. Thanks in advance. Satya

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Hello, it is much easier to take the non-ac-bus from Hat Yai to Satun (96 km to the Southwest) in the morning at 7.10 am or 9.40 am for about 30 Baht. From Satun take the taxi for about 20 Baht to the harbour plus the Express Ferry at 1 pm or 4 pm for 150 Baht in 75 Minutes. Immigration formalities are at the pier. Have fun. Ciao – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe not the most direct route, but jump the train down to Butterworth, and catch a ferry from Penang up to Langkwai. Steve Hello: Anybody with info on this please post/email.  Will also appreciate info on inexpensive accomodation at these two places.  I plan on being there mid-December.  I will fly from the US to BKK and then domestic to Hat Yai. Langkwai is across the border. Thanks in advance. Satya

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Hello: Anybody with info on this please post/email.  Will also appreciate info on inexpensive accomodation at these two places.  I plan on being there mid-December.  I will fly from the US to BKK and then domestic to Hat Yai. Langkwai is across the border. Thanks in advance. Satya

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Hey fisherfolks! I will be going fishing for steelhead for the first time on the Pere Marquette River in Michigan in mid-November. I would like to tie some flies before I go. I realize that I can buy them from a local fly shop, but it is always more fun to catch a fish on fly that I have tied myself. Can anyone point me to a good source for tying instructions for great lakes steelhead flies? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

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Hey fisherfolks! I will be going fishing for steelhead for the first time on the Pere Marquette River in Michigan in mid-November. I would like to tie some flies before I go. I realize that I can buy them from a local fly shop, but it is always more fun to catch a fish on fly that I have tied myself. Can anyone point me to a good source for tying instructions for great lakes steelhead flies? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

Purple yarn eggs.  They work sweet.

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I’ve never seen anyone use anything but yarn.  Orange and/or chartreuse in small egg patterns.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey fisherfolks! I will be going fishing for steelhead for the first time on the Pere Marquette River in Michigan in mid-November. I would like to tie some flies before I go. I realize that I can buy them from a local fly shop, but it is always more fun to catch a fish on fly that I have tied myself. Can anyone point me to a good source for tying instructions for great lakes steelhead flies? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI Purple yarn eggs.  They work sweet.

PURCHASE "Flies for Steelhead" by Dick kStewart and Farrow Allen.  Full retail is a nickle short of $35.  It is an excellent book and exactly what you’re looking for Steve. Michigan Steelhead waters are usually very low and slow regarding current.  Concentrate on light wire Partidge Hooks.  And yes, they are also expensive but it beats spending your money in a bar. You don’t have much time left to get going on this fly tying business as Mid-November will be here before you know it.  You’re asking a lot, so I kid you not on EXACTLY what book to get.  Don’t be surprised, since the book is not over 3/8 inch thick or slightly over 1/4 inch.  It is packed with nothing but Steelhead patterns.  A must, for your library if you are a serious fly tyer.  (This is spelled two ways, ‘Tyer & Tier’) Again, don’t forget your GINK.  It will skate your flies with a vengence! George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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If you want to buy a book check out Fly Fishing for Great Lakes Steelhead,  The fly patterns are not as good as a book on just flies but it’s got load of info on other places in other states to fish. I find that an egg with a Nymph Dropper works better than anything else. (ham and eggs as we call it).  Tie on an egg fly (size 6-10, if fish move out of the way of your fly drop down in size) and then 8-20 inches of tippet tied of eye or shank of egg hook to a PM Caddis or Greem Rock worm (Rycaphelia) (don’t flame my lack of correct spelling).  Or try Kaufmann Stones Black or Golden (6-10). Egg Sucking Leeches in black olive or purple,  Green Butt Skunks,  and just about anything buggy or nymph looking on a stout hook. Position yourself slightly upstream, quarter your cast slightly upstream, use enough weight to ‘tick’ along the bottom and hope they inhale your fly while they are yawining or something.  Good  Luck T. Frank BUFF – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey fisherfolks! I will be going fishing for steelhead for the first time on the Pere Marquette River in Michigan in mid-November. I would like to tie some flies before I go. I realize that I can buy them from a local fly shop, but it is always more fun to catch a fish on fly that I have tied myself. Can anyone point me to a good source for tying instructions for great lakes steelhead flies? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

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I’ve never seen anyone use anything but yarn.  Orange and/or chartreuse in small egg patterns.

Didn’t catch the first article here but I think I ge tthe jist of the question.  My adivce is to visit the salmon river homepage at http://www.salmon-river.com. Not only is it a great page for anyone who fly fishes the great lakes tribs it has an entire section on flys to use for salmon and trout.  My personal favorite for fresh run steelhead is a frammus pattern (orange body with chartruse wing or just the opposite).  This fly satisfies all the criteria ( ie.  easy to tie, cheap to tie and very effective fished on both a dead drift and a swing ). Easy and cheap are important because you tend to loose alot of flies.  Remember in the cold water if your not ticking the bottom your probably not fishing deep enough.   For steelhead who have been holding over in the stream a while ( Late Fall/Winter time )I try and use dark nymphs ( gray or brown are my favorites ) in around a size 10. Good Luck, PCR

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Hey fisherfolks! I will be going fishing for steelhead for the first time on the Pere Marquette River in Michigan in mid-November. I would like to tie some flies before I go. I realize that I can buy them from a local fly shop, but it is always more fun to catch a fish on fly that I have tied myself. Can anyone point me to a good source for tying instructions for great lakes steelhead flies? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

Steve, Try tying Glow Bugs or Egg patterns in a variety of colors: I use a size 6 or 8 hook and try them pretty small, (a little larger that a real egg). I feel this is the best winter pattern. Colors to tie-up: white, pink salmon egg light orange orange pink red They are fast easy and effective. Try the little Manistee when you are in the area. Also contact Frank Lendzion at the Wellston Inn, Wellston, MI. 616-848-4163. Tell him I sent you. He is a guide in the area that could be a valuable source of information. Since it is your first time on new water, I suggest you hire someone to get you started and you help you get into fish. Tighten ‘em up, then release them Tom Steele

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey fisherfolks! I will be going fishing for steelhead for the first time on the Pere Marquette River in Michigan in mid-November. I would like to tie some flies before I go. I realize that I can buy them from a local fly shop, but it is always more fun to catch a fish on fly that I have tied myself. Can anyone point me to a good source for tying instructions for great lakes steelhead flies? Thanks! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI Purple yarn eggs.  They work sweet.

If you can tie a wooley bugger, You’ve mastered the great lakes steelhead fly.  Black, Black, BLack…. Beyond the wooley bugger, egg sucking leeches are most likely my best fly.  THe type we (ontario) use is a black wooley buger with a colored head.  Chartreuse is the best in the fall, but also stock pink, orange, and some "milk" colours.  Size 8 and 10… Also stoneflies, I make a modified Kaufmann’s using raffia folded for the wingcase instead of turkey.  Pheasent Tails in traditional and black work welll, try varing the the color of the thorax..  Same for the stones.   Chartreuse or red works well. Some guys have been doing o.k. with eggs and double egg or spermflies lately.. As for rigging… You will need lots of lead!!!, and flies for that matter.  If your not loosing flies your not in the right spot.  I use a good size float indicator.  However, instead of buying those expensive ones, go to a walleye or hardware trout shop and by some rig floats, a few tooth picks and you set.. Ian

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I operate a Cortland Pro Shop and Stock over 300 DIFFERENT Cortland Fly Lines. I also build custom rods and have lots of other neat stuff.  If I can help out anyone with anything let me know. George E. Hoskin/Hoskin Enterprises RFD 1, Box 841 West Bath, Maine 04530 1-207-443-6064 1-800-244-7744

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