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This is now the third sniper incident where we have been on the road and in close proximity when the shooting occurred.   — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

I was thinking about you when they first reported the age of the victim as 60.  Then they changed it to 37 and knew it couldn’t be you.  :-)  Glad all is well. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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I fished Lynnhaven Inlet yesterday morning in the early hours.  Speckled Trout were doing pretty well on the falling tide.  I couldn’t get close enough to the bridge to fish the pilings for stripers but saw the spinfishing pluggers catch several in the 6 – 10 lb. range.  After a shower and breakfast D. and I met up with friends for an afternoon of live theater then on to a marvelous dinner at Fellini’s of Norfolk.  Most of this is relatively unremarkable but on the way home we passed the Ashland Va. exit about 9:30.  We saw the south bound lanes of I-95 blocked and thought there was a traffic accident.  About 5 miles northbound on I-95 the traffic was at a stop.  Checking the radio we learned of the shooting in Ashland just an hour before.  This is now the third sniper incident where we have been on the road and in close proximity when the shooting occurred.  After a 4 hour wait while the interstate was blocked, traffic was released and we headed home. I have eaten at that Pondorosa a number of times, particularly when visiting Greentop Sporting Goods just down Rt. 1.  Greentops had the largest selection of fly fishing material for quite a distance until some new shops opened in the past couple of years.  It is interesting to note, that during the long wait on the interstate, there was no sense of motorists being disgruntled, frieghtened, or impatient.  There seemed to be 100% support for the law inforcement efforts to put an end to this sorry SOB.  I have become as prepared as I can to react should it ever become possible to respond in line of sight to this cowardly piece of shit. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Do we have any early reviews of the Flyfishing University show in Danbury today, tomorrow and Sunday (1/4, 5, 6)? Their web site hasn’t ever been completed regarding exhibitors…just the fly tying & fishing classes. I was planning on going…but it’s a bit of a drive. Peter Simonson

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Peter: This show was so well advertised that I never heard of it and I live only 40 miles away!

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Forgive him Don, for he knows not what he’s done….. Attention everyone!  Pray for this poster. hehe

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Don’t piss off a lawyer true….make a pile of at least 4 or 5 of them first. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

        et tu, brute? wayno, learning to lighten up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name".

Yup – that’s my next step. I’d hoped that it wouldn’t come to that – as we all know how tangential threads run around here – and I might miss something good by flushing by threads ;^) Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for filtering

Nope – that won’t fly. First, who wants to be "moderator" of this group? (not me, that’s fer damn sure) Second, it’d be a thankless job – fraught with second-guessing (surely a "damned if you do/damned if you don’t" function). Beyond that, the group is full of people that are using various newsreaders that don’t provide filtering (includes most of MickeySoft’s newsreaders, older versions of Netscape, and whatever it is that AOL forces on its clients). The easiest thing to do for those who use readers sans filtering abilities is to manually SET MODE IGNORE. /daytripper

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  The olive branch is certainly appreciated.  If you read my post to Mr. G and Mr. Connor, I think you’ll see that I recognize the same phenomenon you do.  Furthermore, one of the problems of electronic communications is that participants are not able to actually see how one speaks his words, unable to interpret the non-verbal communication that accompanies pure language. If I swaggered into your imaginary bar and said (to use your words) "what a bunch of silly children!  i came here expecting something different, something that suits *me*; but you drivel-spouting morons aren’t what i was looking for!  and besides, you don’t wear clothes that are universally neat and tidy!" if I said that with a big old grin and a wink, and then bought you all a drink, the reaction might likely be different.     I would like to continue to point out, however, that this is not and never has been about suiting *me* or my *ideal*.   Honestly, that’s rather overstating the case–but I’m beginning to understand that you’re a lawyer, and so I’ll forgive the tendency.  I have been listening in here for a few weeks, and when I’ve had something to add, I’ve added it.  You guys haven’t noticed for whatever reasons.  I would not have peeped my peep, were it not for the fact that I saw others identifying the same gripe.  It struck me as a legitimate gripe.  On my server, this is my only option for a fly-fishing newsgroup.  Seemed reasonable that folks could try to be reasonable in terms of wasting each other’s time.  As I said to Mr. Connor yesterday, the "dog" point of attack suddenly shifted from "don’t read the posts you don’t like" to "geez, the threads are sometimes interwoven, deal with it," which, I mean, you’re a lawyer, you’ve seen this before–doesn’t a sudden switch in logic generally indicate the implicit recognition that the frontline logic isn’t holding up so well?  And the things is, the problem is one that’s really easy to fix.   Really simple.  You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.  So why not fix it?     I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly.

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<<I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. I am still waiting for  one of his promises from 1992 – a middle-class tax cut..  In the last SOU he promises everyone something.  Typical Clinton. Dave LaCourse

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rw wrote I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan. Right. History sure remembers those Republicans who failed to convict Johnson warmly. As if!

Yes.  History remembers what people did with their political power.  My point exactly.  Thanks. The Republicans you refer to are remembered for their vindictiveness.  They used their power to punish the South and thereby extended regional enmity and all of its ramifications far beyond the end of the war.  So history doesn’t paint them very kindly.  (I am sure some of you boys out there from the South can wax rhapsodically on this subject for hours!) How ironic that the current crop of Republicans is behaving so like their forebears and likely will reap the same reward from history.  Hmmm…I don’t know the makeup of the Repubs that are really driving this whole thing to the wall, but aren’t they Southern Republicans??? …. Doubly ironic if true. Not only that.  When all is said and done, history is once again going to laud the genius of the "Framers" who had the foresight to require a 2/3 vote for removing the president from office, thereby insuring that a vindictive ‘Minority’ party, that temporarily enjoys a majority in the congress, could not overturn the will of the people. Man.  If your a Repub, that’s gotta hurt. —                                                       -dnc-

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DavPLaC wrote <<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan. —                                                       -dnc-

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<<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

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I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan.

Right. History sure remembers those Republicans who failed to convict Johnson warmly. As if! — something bogus to avoid spam)

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<<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

Would you care to place a bet on whether Clinton will be convicted of one of these "crimes" after he leaves office? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr. G wrote I notice of late that you have been promoting the need for one, and in a way that implies you have one.  I’m sure you do, I just hope it’s in full gear when the Senate decides not to remove you know who from office. By the way, I bit on your $10 bet that the Senate would remove him (IOW, my money is on the Senate NOT removing him)

Sounds like a solid bet to me. Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. The voters will remember, just like they remembered about the Republicans shutting down the government. The Democrats will make sure they remember. There will be hell to pay. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. Conservative Republican Congressmen from southern states?

Oops. That should be "conservative" in quotes, because they very clearly have no interest whatsoever in conservation, especially when it conflicts with the profits of their fat-cat special-interest sugar-daddy campaign contributors. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong.

Conservative Republican Congressmen from southern states? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr. G wrote

I notice of late that you have been promoting the need for one, and in a way that implies you have one.  I’m sure you do, I just hope it’s in full gear when the Senate decides not to remove you know who from office. By the way, I bit on your $10 bet that the Senate would remove him (IOW, my money is on the Senate NOT removing him) ….and double twitch   —                                                       -dnc-

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. I hate censorship in all of it’s nasty forms. An occasional commercial spam or a demo spam is ok with me, it provides a few chuckles. If some of you roffians want a moderated group, simply go start one. ROFF is the land of the FREE. –Wataugan Walt

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0] : You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out : his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band : width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name". : Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of : etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will : simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will : filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject : name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for : filtering : Ernie Harrison.. Hey Ernie a standard message has been floating around for awhile. This is it below. With a little editing in could be made ROFF specific  Dear   [ ] sir      [ ] clueless one  [ ] twit          [ ] great man on campus   [ ] madam    [ ] dweeb         [ ] twerp         [ ] comrade   [ ] Elvis    [ ] moon beam     [ ] boor          [ ] Obergruppenfuehrer   [ ] citoyen  [ ] Geek          [ ] grad student  [ ] cur  You are being gently flamed because.   [ ] you continued a boring useless stupid thread   [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to   [ ] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads   [ ] you posted a piece riddled with profanities   [ ] you advocated Net censorship   [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps)   [ ] you posted some sort of crap that doesn’t belong in this group   [ ] you posted the inanely stupid ‘Make Money Fast’ article   [ ] you threatened others with physical harm   [ ] you made a bigoted statement(s)   [ ] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority   [ ] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve   [ ] you repeatedly shown lack of humor   [ ] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat   [ ] you are posting an anonymous attack Get a life. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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 The olive branch is certainly appreciated.  If you read my post to Mr. G and Mr. Connor, I think you’ll see that I recognize the same phenomenon you do.  Furthermore, one of the problems of electronic communications is that participants are not able to actually see how one speaks his words, unable to interpret the non-verbal communication that accompanies pure language.

        i am in complete accord with your assessment of some of the problems of this unique sort of communication. If I swaggered into your imaginary bar and said (to use your words) "what a bunch of silly children!  i came here expecting something different, something that suits *me*; but you drivel-spouting morons aren’t what i was looking for!  and besides, you don’t wear clothes that are universally neat and tidy!" if I said that with a big old grin and a wink, and then bought you all a drink, the reaction might likely be different.

        that’s a close call, jeff.  the key is having come to *know* you.  I would like to continue to point out, however, that this is not and never has been about suiting *me* or my *ideal*.   Honestly, that’s rather overstating the case–but I’m beginning to understand that you’re a lawyer, and so I’ll forgive the tendency.

        so far, i have noted two posts that clearly cheered your approach and content.  but i grant you that there may be others out there who are frustrated by the inability of some of us to remain so deadly serious, and boring.  I have been listening in here for a few weeks, and when I’ve had something to add, I’ve added it.  You guys haven’t noticed for whatever reasons.

probably because many of us just don’t want to confine our discussions to the latest method of double hauling, or our last trip to christmas island, or what is the hot setup for flats shirts, or how to fish a ten foot wide stream.  or, we just weren’t interested.  not saying that those were the subject matter of your posts, of course; there i go, "overstating my case" again.   I would not have peeped my peep, were it not for the fact that I saw others identifying the same gripe.  It struck me as a legitimate gripe.  On my server, this is my only option for a fly-fishing newsgroup.  Seemed reasonable that folks could try to be reasonable in terms of wasting each other’s time.  As I said to Mr. Connor yesterday, the "dog" point of attack suddenly shifted from "don’t read the posts you don’t like" to "geez, the threads are sometimes interwoven, deal with it," which, I mean, you’re a lawyer, you’ve seen this before–doesn’t a sudden switch in logic generally indicate the implicit recognition that the frontline logic isn’t holding up so well?

not relevant.  this isn’t a problem in logic, or a legal argument.  it is about manners, and expectations.  And the things is, the problem is one that’s really easy to fix.   Really simple.  You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.  So why not fix it?    I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly.

i have already begun to function in that fashion.  you may find many others more difficult to persuade.  but i am pleased that you understand that we welcome anyone as a participant in this group.  you will be treated very close to the way in which you treat others.  many folks who were wary about me, and me about them, six months ago, are now close cyberfriends.  be patient.  good to have you,. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.

        i like the "find his mommy" approach.  this may be a job for (unspeakable name). wayno the deadly serious – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Just as a point of clarification, Microsoft’s Outlook Express does provide filtering…it’s just hard to find. Unfortunately, I’ve been forced to find the facility lately. Check under Tools on the menu…select Newsgroup Filters… Hope this helps! –Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name". Yup – that’s my next step. I’d hoped that it wouldn’t come to that – as we all know how tangential threads run around here – and I might miss something good by flushing by threads ;^) Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for filtering Nope – that won’t fly. First, who wants to be "moderator" of this group? (not me, that’s fer damn sure) Second, it’d be a thankless job – fraught with second-guessing (surely a "damned if you do/damned if you don’t" function). Beyond that, the group is full of people that are using various newsreaders that don’t provide filtering (includes most of MickeySoft’s newsreaders, older versions of Netscape, and whatever it is that AOL forces on its clients). The easiest thing to do for those who use readers sans filtering abilities is to manually SET MODE IGNORE. /daytripper

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 I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly. i have already begun to function in that fashion.  you may find many others more difficult to persuade.  but i am pleased that you understand that we welcome anyone as a participant in this group.  you will be treated very close to the way in which you treat others.  many folks who were wary about me, and me about them, six months ago, are now close cyberfriends.  be patient.  good to have you,. wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah HF, I remember you telling me that a week or two ago… I figure either you’re a Gen-U-Wine masochist or you REALLY like to drive. Wait a minute, you’re hosting the dangdest convention of nitwits and yahoos since the 1979 Star Trek convention… OK, so you’re a masochist. But for me: 1. I HATE to drive. For 14 years I averaged 50-70k per year on the job. Don’t wanna do long drives unless I have to. I even make my wife drive when we go somewhere together in town. 2. I LIKE to fly. Hey, I’m fishing around for some sky time here! 3. When YOU drove it, there was probably no posted speed limit, and your biggest traffic concern was getting the horses out of the way of your ‘32 Coupe, since you were going close to 100! Ah, the joys of a misspent youth… Mike

It was a 35 Ford Coupe.  And it wasn’t far from 100, but on the high side! Actually, it got a lot easier since Kentucky finished the Interstate. Our oldest daughter was a Professor at the University of Georgia at Athens for a while, and we made the trip several times recently.   I just can’t talk my wife into making those trips in the airplane. She keeps insisting that it would be fine, but she has to be BACK on time!   HF

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I just can’t talk my wife into making those trips in the airplane. She keeps insisting that it would be fine, but she has to be BACK on time!

I suppose suggesting you borrow, rent or buy a Mooney is out of the question! Warren

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I just can’t talk my wife into making those trips in the airplane. She keeps insisting that it would be fine, but she has to be BACK on time! I suppose suggesting you borrow, rent or buy a Mooney is out of the question! Warren

It doesn’t have anything to do with the particular airplane.  She can drive, but I am the only pilot!  Need I say more … HF

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Mike, Mike, Mike, You’ll have to do better than that. 1. I HATE to drive. For 14 years I averaged 50-70k per year on the job. Don’t wanna do long drives unless I have to. I even make my wife drive when we go somewhere together in town.

So, bring her along.  And let her drive.  Tell her it shows her just how much you trust her.  My family came last year and plans to come this year. Go to sleep as soon as you hit interstate and when you wake up, you’ll be there.  "0" minutes travel time. 2. I LIKE to fly. Hey, I’m fishing around for some sky time here!

When you get there, you’ll fly.  Guaranteed. 3. When YOU drove it, there was probably no posted speed limit, and your biggest traffic concern was getting the horses out of the way of your ‘32 Coupe, since you were going close to 100! Ah, the joys of a misspent youth…

Possibly.  But the speed limit now is at least 70 and most likely 75 so there’s not that much difference.  Besides, you’ll be asleep and the wife’s driving so what do you care?  :-) Next incredibly lame argument? John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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Yeah HF, I remember you telling me that a week or two ago… I figure either you’re a Gen-U-Wine masochist or you REALLY like to drive. Wait a minute, you’re hosting the dangdest convention of nitwits and yahoos since the 1979 Star Trek convention… OK, so you’re a masochist. But for me: 1. I HATE to drive. For 14 years I averaged 50-70k per year on the job. Don’t wanna do long drives unless I have to. I even make my wife drive when we go somewhere together in town. 2. I LIKE to fly. Hey, I’m fishing around for some sky time here! 3. When YOU drove it, there was probably no posted speed limit, and your biggest traffic concern was getting the horses out of the way of your ‘32 Coupe, since you were going close to 100! Ah, the joys of a misspent youth… Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Soooo…… Too far to drive for a three day weekend!  I used to commute to Atlanta from Pinckneyville.   HF

Mike Patterson   –   Deacon Blues AMA #598863  EAA #523920  NRA #BVS2395T  ICQ #7161589 < http://www.mindspring.com/~mikepatterson "Sharing the things I know and love with those of my kind…" Humans please ignore the following- More SPAM bait: http://barnstormers.dyn.ml.org/email.html

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Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Soooo……

Too far to drive for a three day weekend!  I used to commute to Atlanta from Pinckneyville.   HF

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Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Soooo…… Is anyone in this forum planning to make the pilgrimage, have need of a seat polisher, beer holder and extra wallet, AND willing to stop and pick up a hitchhiker somewhere around Atlanta? Mike "I make long run-on sentences so I can save all the periods to use at the end…" Patterson PS maybe you better check out my web page first, especially if you’ns be a Dimocrat. OTOH, that could make it MORE fun, eh? Mike Patterson   –   Deacon Blues AMA #598863  EAA #523920  NRA #BVS2395T  ICQ #7161589 < http://www.mindspring.com/~mikepatterson "Sharing the things I know and love with those of my kind…" Humans please ignore the following- More SPAM bait: http://barnstormers.dyn.ml.org/email.html

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Cut the crap Mike… You Southern boys are always "poor mouthing" your lot in life. Checking your website, your about to sell a house? $116, 000 should get you a round trip ticket to anyplace of your choosing, unless you drop by the casinos here in Kansas City ! Not owning a plane, certainly provides you with even more disposable income than us owner types. Checking with Expedia/Flight Wizard, a commercial round trip flight can be had for as little as $236.00 RIGHT NOW. See…  http://expedia.msn.com/daily/home/default.hts So, book it and rest easy. If your good with a wrench, book one way and maybe HF will keep you busy attending to the needs of the "Red Lady". He has plenty of "cot space’ for the homeless. Just bring your own cot. High Flyer IS touchy about snoozing on his. Don’t ask how I know.  <g Bob – already signed up for P’ville 99 – U. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Mike Patterson  

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout.

An English side-by-side with a splinter fore end and a straight stock, only, and *only* over a pointing dog.   Waxing my Barbour coat and waiting for a call from my broker, David

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: Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about : people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Time to re-hash the stories about bat-casting….

i always practice C&R on them…and ouzels…not much meat on a bat, but the wings (I’ve heard) make excellent jerky. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto:  Your dues are due. P.S.  I’m going nuts.  I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

Hi Frank I’ve got some yellow Brazilian Velour that should make a great corn fly. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto:  Your dues are due. P.S.  I’m going nuts.  I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

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The VFS magazene included an article by Greg McDermid describing an easy method for tying blood knots. The resulting knot differs from the conventional knot in that the tag ends come out the same side of the knot rater than on opposite sides. Does anyone have any information relative to the strength of this knot compared to the conventional blood knot? Chuck Welby

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(Chuck Welby) writes: The VFS magazene included an article by Greg McDermid describing an easy method for tying blood knots. The resulting knot differs from the conventional knot in that the tag ends come out the same side of the knot rater than on opposite sides. Does anyone have any information relative to the strength of this knot compared to the conventional blood knot?

I hope it’s not the same blood knot with the tags coming out on the same side instead of opposing sides or it won’t work.  I tied bloodknots for a couple of years with the tags coming out the same side instead of opposing sides and they broke very easily – lost lots of fish.                                             Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Hi,   What you are describing is a dropper loop knot with the loop cut off. Basically here’s how you tie it. first, secure the two ends of the lines together with an overhand knot. This is just to hold them together and will be discarded when the knot is finished. now form a loop like this:                                        ||                                                     #   (overhand knot)                                  /                                                                       /                                                                                                                 /                                                                         / twist the bottom two lines around themselves about 6 times leaving it open in the middle:                                                                            / then put the tied together tag ends through that center hole in the twisted lines. Moisten the line and slowly pull tight on the two lines–don’t pull on the tag ends or the knot will invert and not work. When it is tight, it should look like a blood knot with the tag ends coming out of one side… Tight Lines, Jim. Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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Blood Knots I found the bloodknots which have both tag ends exiting from the same side simple to tie but easy to break off also , just as Dan Gracia said. Maybe those are the type of bloodknots which are supposedly no stronger then overhand knots. The bloodknot tied with tag ends coming from opposite sides seems as strong to me as my leaders. Grant

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I hope it’s not the same blood knot with the tags coming out on the same side instead of opposing sides or it won’t work.  I tied bloodknots for a couple of years with the tags coming out the same side instead of opposing sides and they broke very easily – lost lots of fish.

According to tests reported in the December 1995 issue of Fly Fisherman, the triple surgeons’ knot is a whole lot stronger than a 6 barrel blood knot for attaching the tippet to leader.  I’ve been using the double surgeons’ knot for many years, with very rare failures, but have recently switched to the triple.  And the surgeons’ is also a whole lot less bloody. Phil Holt

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I’ve been using the double surgeons’ knot for many years, with very rare failures, but have recently switched to the triple.  And the surgeons’ is also a whole lot less bloody.

Phil, What is the triple surgeons, same as double just once more thru the loop? Vince

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According to tests reported in the December 1995 issue of Fly Fisherman, the triple surgeons’ knot is a whole lot stronger than a 6 barrel blood knot for attaching the tippet to leader.  I’ve been using the double surgeons’ knot for many years, with very rare failures, but have recently switched to the triple. And the surgeons’ is also a whole lot less bloody. Phil Holt

Yes Phil you’re right about the triple surgeons knot, but be sure to test it before you fish it as 1 out of every 8 or 10 that you think you’ve seated correctly will break and you can’t see the twist in the line that causes the break.  The other disadvantage is it’s bulk.  As the tippet junction it’s just a tiny bump, but use it to attach your leader to your butt section and it is twice the size of the blood knot and has very abrupt ends that love to get caught in the guides and zipper them off when that big fish makes a last second surge with your knot inside the line guides.                                                                                                       I use the double surgeons knot for the tippet juncture as it is only reputedly 1% less strong and faster to tie. Both are far easier to tie than a blood knot with the added advantage that with a little practice you can tie them in the dark – can’t do that with a blood knot.  Still, I’ll continue to use the blood knot for the connection of the leader to the butt section for its less bulk and tapered ends.                                                               Strong knots for strong fish,                                                                                                         Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Peterson)" says: anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

Comparaduns.  

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Looking for information on the upper Kings River, above Pine Flat dam. I read an earlier posting on the area around Courtright Res., and would love some specifics on that area, as I live very close.  What about the Bear Creek Diversion and above?  Any one have any comments and or experiences up in those parts?  Thanks in advance. Sean

Hi Sean: Bear Creek above the dam to Twin Falls (especially the 100 yards or so just below the falls) is fairly good for brook trout from late May to early July.  But be prepared for mosquitos from late June on.  It’s a real nice day trip. The only fishing I’ve done on the Kings River is on the South Fork in Paradise Valley (7 miles in from Cedar Grove Road end).  Really nice just before Memorial Day when the black ants start flying.  It’s my Spring ritual to work out the kinks. Mark

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    The upper Kings river used to be an awsome fishery. Large rainbows.  I havent fished it since 1986 but when I did I caught four large bows on a stonefly nymph.   They ranged from 20-24 inches and were thick bodied.  I don’t know if the drought affected the fishery or not.  Of course this time of the year the enormous runoff makes fishing difficult at best and you have to compete with the river rafters. You should also be advised to keep a sharp eye on your step the rattlers are everywhere and they are gigantic.  I have even seen them swimming in the river.  My advise to you is to take the dirt road at the second bridge, take the road on the side of the river that you are on before you cross the bridge otherwise you will encounter to much rafter traffic enroute to or coming from Garnet Dike area which is a favorite raft launching spot.  Good luck.      Regarding bear diversion ;  Good area small trout but plentifull, mostly brookies. I know some fantastic fishing areas in the Kaiser wilderness area that I dont necessarily want to share with the world  but if you will E-mail me personally I will share them privately because you are a FSU Bulldog.  What do you think about the Shark getting hired?  You should also be aware that Bear CCreek is out at least till Memorial day because of the snow. My sources with SCE say that Kaiser Pass probebly

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i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact  we live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous — gp

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anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

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what is going on with this group i sent 4 postings and they have all gone with the rest of them is there some time limit on the postingsand is it possible to read old back posting  thanks — gp

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: i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact  we : live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any : pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, : norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well : as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an : abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. : the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous : — : gp —It sounds like you can tie just about any nymph there is.  For dries you definately want some hackle (or duck quills for no hackle dries).                                 jamie

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Tie the Rhycophilia Caddis pupa (sp?).  It’ just a fur dubbed body.  Add some long hair to the head as legs.  All you need are some 200R or 205BL hooks. Substitute hair for tail, wingcase and legs in most patterns and you’ll be able to tie most nymphs.  Invent your own patterns!  Gold Ribbed Mink Stole… –jim

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i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact  we live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous — gp

I got your messages.  Drop a not on my email directly. Lenny Bloksberg . .

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anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

Zonkers, Bunny leaches, Kiwi Mudlers, These use patches of tanned hide with the hair on.  They are the easiest way I know of to use up lots of tanned hides with fur on.  Otherwise, TRADE!  I’m sure lots of folks would be happy to trade something they have in excess for your fur, myself included. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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GP– sounds like a great find. You might try a fly called the Usual, It’s kind of a Comparadun/emerger cross. It uses guard and underfur tied up for a wing and underfur for dubbing. It also has guard hair for a tail. You might want to consider getting yourself a dry fly neck, you have some great dubbing for it (esp. the beaver otter and mukrat) if they haven’t been processed to much. Otherwise any of your furs would work for different nymph patterns.

Another thing he might consider doing is going into a flyfishing shop and see if they are interested in trading some of the fur for some hackle necks. Not all flyfishing shops will accept furs but some will.  Heck, he might be able to find some people here that would be willing to do some trades. Some might even be willing to purchase some of the fur from you outright and then he could use the money to buy some hackle necks. — John Fereira   "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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Tie the Rhycophilia Caddis pupa (sp?).  It’ just a fur dubbed body.  Add some long hair to the head as legs.  All you need are some 200R or 205BL hooks. Substitute hair for tail, wingcase and legs in most patterns and you’ll be able to tie most nymphs.  Invent your own patterns!  Gold Ribbed Mink Stole…

So I’m not the only one that has looked at a woman wearing a fur and thought "look at all that fly tying material". — John Fereira   "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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Looking for information on the upper Kings River, above Pine Flat dam. I read an earlier posting on the area around Courtright Res., and would love some specifics on that area, as I live very close.  What about the Bear Creek Diversion and above?  Any one have any comments and or experiences up in those parts?  Thanks in advance. Sean

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I will be taking a two week trip to the yukon canoeing down the Yukon river this summer and would like to know if anyone has done this before. I would like to fish for grayling, artic char etc and would appreciate hearing from anyone what flies & methods i should use. If anyone has done this trip fishing or not, please drop me a line

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be taking a two week trip to the yukon canoeing down the Yukon river this summer and would like to know if anyone has done this before. I would like to fish for grayling, artic char etc and would appreciate hearing from anyone what flies & methods i should use. If anyone has done this trip fishing or not, please drop me a line

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My Name: My, this reminds me of an incident that I wittnessed while I was stationed at Galena Air Force Station in 1963/64.  Galena is located on the banks of the Yukon river in central Alaska. I and some friends were drinking beer and cooking hamburgers/hotdogs one afternoon when we spied a canoe pulling up to shore where we were. As soon as the canoe was pulled up on shore the two occupants split at a trot in different directions without saying a word to us or each other. We got a good laugh out of this and continued eating and drinking. The next day I talked with one of the canoeists and he said that they had seen so much of each other and hardly no one else that they were ready to pitch in and fight each other and had been at each other’s throat for a while.  I guess they finally settled their differences as they left a day or two later in the canoe and together. The feude undoubtly arose out of the ever present bowman/sternman dispute. The bowman can’t pick a route and the sternman can’t steer. So don’t ( as they say in the Eastern Shore of Delaware ) "fall into a fight" with your partner. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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