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Can someone explain how to do it well? I find that, no matter how I try to lift the line to ‘toss it’ upstream, it always causes the fly to surge downstream. riverman

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Can someone explain how to do it well? I find that, no matter how I try to lift the line to ‘toss it’ upstream, it always causes the fly to surge downstream. riverman

http://www.uky.edu/~agrdanny/flyfish/faq/faq-6.htm http://www.sexyloops.co.uk/flycasting/tmendingline.shtml http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/fa199810.htm http://www.altrec.com/published/flyfish/skills/gettingamendmindset/ TL MC

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Can someone explain how to do it well? I find that, no matter how I try to lift the line to ‘toss it’ upstream, it always causes the fly to surge downstream.

You could try fishing with Bruiser sometime. He’s the best I’ve ever seen. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I store it all in Clear Creek tube I purchased from Zimbo, one of the regulars of this group…

Ahem. More like we went in together on a group order. –Steve

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Sorry Steve should have mentioned the ‘gang’ thing…yes indeed I got it with a group order…but my main point was it was perfect for my 3 piece, cuz it had 3 compartments and keeps my 3 forks all snug and safe Padishar Creel

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Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick?

Frank Church, John Popp and I believe Jon Cook have all stated several times over in the past few years that they highly recommend it.  I have a Browning Medallion 7′ 5wt that’s within that price range that I would recommend.  Quite a fun rod that has bested many a smallmouth bass. Moderately slow action. Mu

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I have a Cabela’s Stowaway 5 pc. 5 wt.  I love the action on this rod. However, the other day I left the rod in my truck.  It was inside the green canvas bag, inside an aluminum tube.  I went to fish with it and on the third section at the ferrule there was a whitish color to the dope used on the wrapping.  The eye closest to the ferrule also had the soft white dope. The stuff was soft to the touch. I fished with it and by the end of the day the dope was almost dry, but with a cloudy haze on the finish.  I traded emails with Cabela’s and I’m sending the rod back.  I don’t think the dope cured correctly when it was applied. I’ve never had this problem with another make.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have the 7′6" 3 piece 3wt 3 forks rod.  It is a wonderful rod, and I am quite pleased with the fit and finish of the entire rod.  It is a medium to stiffer action.  I put an orvis reel and line on it and I have taken nice trout with no issues at all.  It even has a hook keeper that many lightweight rods seem not to have (Redington are you paying attention?).  I store it all in Clear Creek tube I purchased from Zimbo, one of the regulars of this group, and it fit perfectly.  All in all it is one of my favorite sticks…I think you will be pleased with one…I fish a lot of small streams so I am not familar with their bigger rods, but if the workmanship is the same, I think they would be worth a look… Padishar Creel – I also love my Cabela’s stowaway as well.  Frank Church, I believe, is also quite please with his Cabela’s rods.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Frank Church, John Popp and I believe Jon Cook have all stated several times over in the past few years that they highly recommend it.  I have a Browning Medallion 7′ 5wt that’s within that price range that I would recommend.  Quite a fun rod that has bested many a smallmouth bass. Moderately slow action. Mu

These are the rods I chose to keep in my Toyota Rice Burner 24/7/365.  The big reason was that at 40 bucks apiece, if someone steals them, then I’m not bankrupted in getting them replaced.  I have both the 3 Forks 3pc 3 wt. and the 8′ 2pc 5 wt. which should cover any fishing situation I’m apt to find myself into.  For the money, they are hard to beat, and thus far have held up very well.  No broomsticks here either, both have a moderate action (maybe just a tad on the slow side of moderate, especially the 5 wt) With Cabela’s return policy, you can hardly go wrong with the 3 Forks series. Frank Church in Elkhart, IN bassbugr AT yahoo dot com

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Yeepers, I use the 3X3X7.5 for brim, trout to 3+lb (when traveling). small to average size bass. It travels with me more than my wife and is quieter. A pretty good rod, for the price a great rod. I use the reel for despooling and the line is so-so. put the rod together with a small bass pro reel and a decent line and you’ll have a combo that will look and perform like a much higher priced set-up. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob

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Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob

Good choice. My Cabela’s 3wt Three Forks has a very similar (fast) action to my Sage 5wt SP, at less than 10% of the cost. I recently used it exclusively on a three-day float of the Middle Fork of the Salmon, partly because I didn’t want to risk an expensive rod in a raft. It was a joy to use. (It’s outfitted with a good reel and line. The reel costs three times the price of the rod. Even the line is more expensive than the rod.) The only problem I see is that the reel seat is a cheap piece of junk, but what can you expect for forty bucks? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Agreed, it’s thin aluminum. On the other hand my 6′ 4wt Fenwick has a robust silver nickel real seat. Problem is the reel is easily removed at the end of the day with the Cabellas, where as with the Fenwick I have to beat the reel loose. I’m not sure which I prefer, cheap easy on-off or reel won’t fall off. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob Good choice. My Cabela’s 3wt Three Forks has a very similar (fast) action to my Sage 5wt SP, at less than 10% of the cost. I recently used it exclusively on a three-day float of the Middle Fork of the Salmon, partly because I didn’t want to risk an expensive rod in a raft. It was a joy to use. (It’s outfitted with a good reel and line. The reel costs three times the price of the rod. Even the line is more expensive than the rod.) The only problem I see is that the reel seat is a cheap piece of junk, but what can you expect for forty bucks? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob

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Can Only speak for the 3 wt 3 piece….cosmetics fair….workmanship fair….fish-a-bility excellent. My favorite dry fly rod. Very good rod for the price. Durability….the jury is still out. jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob

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I have the 7′6" 3 piece 3wt 3 forks rod.  It is a wonderful rod, and I am quite pleased with the fit and finish of the entire rod.  It is a medium to stiffer action.  I put an orvis reel and line on it and I have taken nice trout with no issues at all.  It even has a hook keeper that many lightweight rods seem not to have (Redington are you paying attention?).  I store it all in Clear Creek tube I purchased from Zimbo, one of the regulars of this group, and it fit perfectly.  All in all it is one of my favorite sticks…I think you will be pleased with one…I fish a lot of small streams so I am not familar with their bigger rods, but if the workmanship is the same, I think they would be worth a look… Padishar Creel – I also love my Cabela’s stowaway as well.  Frank Church, I believe, is also quite please with his Cabela’s rods.

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I have the Cabela’s Three Forks in 6wt with the Prestige (Okuma Sierra) reel. I agree 100% with Jim Bennett’s review with the following addition on durability….excellent.  The rod & reel have been blown off the top of my truck onto pavement, canopy door closed on it and all the hell a newbie can do to a rod.  It’s still fishing! Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can Only speak for the 3 wt 3 piece….cosmetics fair….workmanship fair….fish-a-bility excellent. My favorite dry fly rod. Very good rod for the price. Durability….the jury is still out. jim Has anyone fished with a Cabela’s Three Forks Fly Rod?  I was thinking about getting one.  they are going for $40.00 in their new catalog.  Good, Bad, feels like a broomstick? Thanks Rob

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Tuesday morning found only RW, Bruce and me in camp.  At breakfast, we met Kerry Evans a roffer from Colorado.  We headed back to the Texas Hole to fish the riffles in front of the first handicap ramp.  I started fishing without Bruce directing me — caught nothing.  When he came down, he placed me at the side of the main current.  On my first cast I was into a nice fish and managed to land a 20 inch bow, again with beautiful colors.  After awhile, Bruce moved us upstream to Big Rock Hole and the main current of the river.  RW, Bruce and I took some beautiful fish here.  We also lost two for every one we landed — the current was quite strong and with iddybiddy hooks it was difficult to land these big fish.  One brought me downstream about 50 yards.  As I stumbled/waded over the slippery rocks, RW hollered, "Hey, bring us back some chips and salsa and a couple of beers!"  I managed to finally net this giant football and in my excitement  reviving the fish, my net floated away!   I broke for lunch, but the two river maniacs stayed and continued to catch fish.  I met them in the flats above the KP after lunch and couldn’t believe that I was catching 20 inch fish in 16 inch deep water!   I moved back to the Texas Hole after awhile, and rigged up for some dry fly fishing.  I tied on a size 22 Adams parachute (Forty’s SJ fly) and cast to rising fish.  I managed to hook a few, but never landed one.  RW and Bruce collected me just before dark and we made our way back.  I left them at the parking lot and went back to the former Clave Central.  It was a lonely dinner and evening with no roffians about.  I fell asleep at 7:30 and awoke at 5:30. Apparently I was tired.  Happy, but very tired. Dave LaCourse Dave LaCourse

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(snip great report) Apparently I was tired.  Happy, but very tired. Dave LaCourse

Now THAT is the way to finish out a road trip!  :-) — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Dave, i couldn’t imagine a better day than tuesday.  you caught more fish than i ever did in my first few days on that river.  it is fun in that current by the big rock – we lost several more each than we landed.  steve’s side is real tough because the fish are there, but you’ve only got about ten feet square of reasonable water around you and if the fish leaves the area, your chances are slim.  nice also that we all tended to pop out of the fish rather than break off, although our pockets were picked a few times each.  the flies are so small, louie thought he broke off the entire rig in a pig once, only to say "wait, i’ve still got one fly… no, maybe i’ve got both… yep, i’ve bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen

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Nice report Dave, thanks.  I share your feelings about catching beat up hatchery trout, even though they may be large ones taking tiny flies.  That’s what happens when a place becomes popular.  Keep all your honey holes a secret or they may turn out to be like the kiddy pool.  There is no substitute for wild trout. Ernie

Tuesday morning found only RW, Bruce and me in camp.  At breakfast, we met Kerry Evans a roffer from Colorado.

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[deleted] There is no substitute for wild trout.

The last week of November found me in a tourist town at the gates of a National Park near where I live.  There was a pond and a parking lot. In the parking lot was a large lit sign on a pole which read "Catch Wild Trout". And so I am left to conclude agreement with you on your sentiment Ernie. The one possible exception being the imagination. Your pal, — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Urban Forager It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.

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Hi gang,   I’m fishing this area while on vacation next week. I’d be glad to hear any advice from people who know the area. I’m looking to catch trout, not planning to keep any, and hope to get some photos of some nice ones. Jerry

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Check out the thread "Michigan Flyfishing Spots For Vacation" George Adams

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Try http://www.troutbums.com/.

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: What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Put a real worm on the hook of the San Juan Worm for weighting.  Sink it deep.  If that fails to catch fish, dynamite always works. Relax…just a joke. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Floating line, sink tip, splitshot?

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Hi! I can tell you what the our guide on the San Juan told us about rigging for that river: At your floating flyline attach about a 6" section of rad Amensia in the middle of which you’ve attached a yarn strike indicator.  The guides prefer black poly yarn and the red Amnesia enables you to see which way your leader is drifting with respect to your flyline (it should make a 90 degree bend straight down at the indicator). Then attach 9′ of level 4X leader.  This is to provide the minimum resistance to the water and enbable the fly to sink as quickly as possible.  12"-18" above the end of the leader attach a size BB split shot.  Attach the San Juan Worm ( Glo bug, Wooley worm, etc) and then add another 12" segement tied to the ey of the fly.  (4X works, though I prefer 5X ) On the end of that tippet, put a size 20 or smaller Chirominid, Desert Storm, WD40, etc type nymph.  The idea here is that if the trout is attracted to, but doesn’t take the larger San Juan Worm, then maybe it will take the smaller nymph.  This was definitely true last week, where either fly by themselves wouldn’t work, but in combination, the trout was taking the smaller fly the majority of the time. These settings are for the San Juan river which has 4′-10′ deep holes and a moderate current.  I found that when trying to fish the very head of the pool, where the trout were coming up to pick of the incoming food, that I had to move the indicator closer to the the slip shot to get more reliable strike detection.  The rig is not the most elegant in the world to cast, but it does work.  I also cheated a little and put a 3 foot 3X "butt" section in place of the first 3 feet of the 4X leader to help it turn over when casting.  This is not an issue when you’re in a drift boat. Good luck! Stephen Wong – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the proper method for fishing the San Juan Worm? Floating line, sink tip, splitshot?

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On the end of that tippet, put a size 20 or smaller Chirominid, Desert Storm, WD40, etc type nymph.  The idea here is that if the trout is attracted to, but doesn’t take the larger San Juan Worm, then maybe it will take the smaller nymph.  This was definitely true last week, where either fly by themselves wouldn’t work, but in combination, the trout was taking the smaller fly the majority of the time.

Interesting.  I too use a varitation on the same strategy, with an attractor/non-attractor combination.  I’ll compliment the color of one fly with the other.  For example with a big orange scud I might use a tiny WD40 for the dropper.  On the other hand, if I’m fishing a red San Juan worm, I’ll choose an olive-colored scud for the dropper. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Ayone have directions to Deep Creek in Southern California?  I’m told it’s near Lake Arrowhead.  Any info would be appreciated including recommended areas to fish. Thanks in advance, Richard

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Ayone have directions to Deep Creek in Southern California?  I’m told it’s near Lake Arrowhead.  Any info would be appreciated including recommended areas to fish. Thanks in advance,

Richard, I haven’t fly-fished Deep Creek but I used to have a house at Lake Arrowhead and still go up there occasionally to visit friends.  You can get to Deep Creek from the east end of Arrowhead; take the road across the street from the Marina.  There is a trailhead with a sign.  It’s a nice 3 mile or so hike down – I haven’t hiked all the way to the creek.  Friends that have fished the creek like it; the fish are small, it’s catch and release, barbless hooks.  Compared to a lot of places you can fish, it’s not great but there is very little fly-fishing in SOCAL so you take what you can get.  Remember, you have to hike out at the end!  I think there are other approaches to the creek but I don’t know them.  Good luck. Dave Hurwitz

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Could some one please explain to me the details of rigging for saltwater fly fishing? I have only ever fly fished for Fresh water trout. I’d like to know what a shock tippet is in particular, and where in the rig to put it. Is there any need for a wire leader? A general discription from hook to fly line would be most appreciated (length of leader, tapers, etc.). Many thanks to all of you who responded to my post asking for information about fly fishing for weakies. I’m going to try tying up some of these flies you all recommended. Callum

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Shock tippet is a section of heavy mono next to the fly to prevent cutoffs. Wire only necessary wth toothy fish(Bluefish, etc) No need for fancy leaders. What I do is nail knot a 24" butt section to the line and then loop the rest of the leader to this. It’s easy and works fine.

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I concur with previous post.  I just start with a bass-sized tapered butt (in fact, I save worked-over bass leaders for this purpose) and go straight to a 12 lb flourocarbon tippet.  When throwing shooting heads and Teenys, elegant turnover is not my main goal. As to hook sizes, etc., I tend to larger hooks and flies; most of my clousers are tied on a 1/0.  Specs sometimes want a smaller one.   Rig up a stripping basket.  It is essential in surf or other wading situations; you will be trying for long casts.  I use an 18"x12"x6" tupperware storage box with 1/4" holes drilled in the bottom and 2" lengths of 200# mono (or any other stiff wire or line) sticking up through the bottom, secured by epoxy or some other bulky glue.  Mine is held on by a bungee cord hooked through holed drilled in the handle spaces.  Total cost is about $10; you can buy the same thing at Orvis for about 50$. Good luck with those weakies. D

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First of all, for weakfish you needn’t concern yourself with a shock tippet.  Even though they have a few teeth, they have soft mouths and are not going to be cutting your tippet.   Shock tippets are required only for larger fish with hard mouths or toothsome crittters like bluefish who will bite a light tippet in two.   For that reason a shock tippet should more accurately be called a "bite tippet."   It goes at the very end of the leader, between the class tippet and the fly, and should be no longer than 8-to-10 inches or so.   The idea is simple:  to give toothy fish a heavy section of mono to chew on so they don’t break you off.  For blues you might want a 25-30 pound bite tippet.  For large tarpon you might go as heavy as 80-100 pound test.   Connecting a heavy bite tippet to a light class tippet requires a sophisticated system of knots.  You tie a bimini twist in each end of the class tippet then connect the bite tippet with a huffnagle, or an albright knot.  There’s no way to describe these knots in words.   Find yourself a good illustrated guide like Lefty Kreh’s book on Practical Fishing Knots. Wire leaders are strictly for fish with razor sharp teeth, like barracuda.  Better to buy these ready-tied than to try to make them yourself.  Climax makes saltwater leaders with wire melded to the class tippet in a seamless connection.  As for tying tapered leaders, I use Mason hard-type leader material for the salt.  Because of its stiffness it turns over well in a breeze and isn’t as susceptible to "wind" knots.   A formula for a basic 10 foot saltwater leader might go like this. Connect a leader butt to the fly line with a loop-to-loop connection. (I.e. whip-finish a loop in the end of the fly line, tie a surgeon’s loop or perfection loop in the leader butt, then loop the two together.) Although it sounds complicated, this makes changing leaders a snap.  And don’t worry, the knots will pass through the guides with no problem.   So, anyway, you start with a leader butt of 30-pound test, about five feet long.   Then, using a blood knot, add a twenty-pound section of about 2 1/2 feet.  Then a fifteen-pound section of about  1 1/4 feet.  Finish with a section of class tippet of, say, eight-pound test, about 15-18 inches long.   Such a leader should be more than adequate for weakfish.   All this said, there is a much simpler solution;   Start with a leader butt then add a straight section of 8-pound mono as long as you want.   Tie on fly.  Go fishing. A straight leader might not turn off as deftly as a tapered leader, but unless you’re making precise casts to bonefish or tailing redfish, a straight leader works just fine.   Good fishing

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I use Mason hard-type leader material for the salt.  Because of its stiffness it turns over well in a breeze and isn’t as susceptible to "wind" knots.  

Great info,  but what is Mason hard-type leader material?   Thanks for the tips. rmm

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Wierd title?  So is my dilemma: I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine with a real fly fishing outfit. My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Where to spend my money? Steve

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I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine with a real fly fishing outfit. Where to spend my money?

Steve, run out and buy yourself a fly fishing outfit… David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.

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If you often overtrain, get the HRM.  If you need more protein, get the fishing equipment.  Otherwise, you’ll just have to decide for yourself. — Ray Charbonneau    | MIT Library Systems| Everyone is entitled to my opinion.  *Disclaimer? Why?*|

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Buy the fly fishing gear and go have fun.  You’ll be more relaxed for your training and will in turn run farther and faster.  Besides, I’ve not yet met a marathon runner who has trained with a heart rate monitor, so I’m sure you can train hard enough to improve your time without one.   Buy the heart rate monitor next year, and don’t go out too fast in Portland, as the crowds during the first part of the race might make you go faster than you should. Best fishes, Dan

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When in doubt, go with the fun stuff. Buy the fishing outfit. Chances are you’ll use it more and longer. Mike T. — WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Club & Race Listings 200+ listings. Advertise your race. Club Home Pages. http://www.catalog.com/webrun/running/running.html

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Neither–Get yourself a good set of Golf clubs! Everone has taken up flyfishing, and the courses are almost empty. For exercise, carry your own clubs and jog,that"ll keep that ticker pumpin.There are beautiful courses everywhere,except Idaho.The chemists have destroyed the good grass in that state, with all those potato experiments. This is a joke–Don’t want to piss off any Idaho golfers.

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I have both.  Believe me, I can cast a lot farther with a fly rod.

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Well, I’ve used the heart monitor before marathons, and it works well…I tended to use it by setting target heart ranges for faster paced running, when the monitor stopped beeping, I knew I’d warmed up enough to get into the target range, then when the monitor started beeping again, i knew i’d run enough (when it exceeds the upper end of the range it beeps) or that i was running too fast for the distance i wanted to go. However, if there was good fly fishing close by, i’d probably have bought the flyfishing equip. later Jim Danforth

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I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine with a real fly fishing outfit. Where to spend my money? Steve, run out and buy yourself a fly fishing outfit… David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.

Steve, Its apparant your training is suffering from a lack of obsession. I refer you to Calvin and Hobbes from about two weeks ago.  T Training with a monitor lets you micro  analyze your pperformance with the goal being to satisy such standards as your training log and other people who wear monitors. Also there’s a coolness factor related to who might be impressed by the purchases.  Fish or friends?   I have trained with a monitor for a year.  Has it helped?  Got me. It is a diversion and something to do on those long runs. Steve Rogers When the going gets tough, blah, blah, blah

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[deleted] : My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I : have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at : rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Neither…buy a pair of Reabok Pumps and go fishing…then, if you fall in, your feet will float up and someone will be able to spot you. Tim Walker

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: Neither–Get yourself a good set of Golf clubs! Everone has taken up : flyfishing, and the courses are almost empty. For exercise, carry your : own clubs and jog,that"ll keep that ticker pumpin.There are beautiful : courses everywhere,except Idaho.The chemists have destroyed the good : grass in that state, with all those potato experiments. : This is a joke–Don’t want to piss off any Idaho golfers. Hey, hey, hey!!!  Whatchit buddy.  This state still has the fighting words law.  That means I can bust you in the chops for saying such things and all the cops will do is make fun of your glass jaw or my right hook! Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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: Wierd title?  So is my dilemma: : I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year : (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland : Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some : backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine : with a real fly fishing outfit. : My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I : have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at : rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. : Where to spend my money? : Steve My vote is for the flyfishing gear.  As a bonus I offer you my "cheap" heart rate monitor:   If you’re breathing, its beating.  If you’re not breathing, it’s probably stopped (or will shortly). (sippinElkMountainAmberAleandrootinfortheBarracudainLongBeachCalifornia wheretheearthmovesundermyfeet)

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Get both. Many new runners pack up when they find that it takes discipline and effort to get fit. There are many HRMs lying dormant in people homes unused. I’ve just bought one for 10 pounds second hand. Look in your local paper I’m sure you’ll find one. Simon — Simon Walsh    

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: [deleted] : : My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I : : have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at : : rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. : Neither…buy a pair of Reabok Pumps and go fishing…then, if you : fall in, your feet will float up and someone will be able to spot you. And if the shoes don’t fit, Reebok Pumps make dandy strike indicators. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Montgomery, Noel D.) writes: Hammond) writes… | | I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If | it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, | I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite | brand containing 95-100% deet. | | I was curious to see how SSS and Muskol compared because I would rather use a non-deet repellant.  So during one trip I did in the middle of Algonquin Park (it was very hot and there were tons of nice, big mosquitoes) I did a test.  I put SSS on the bare skin of one arm and Muskol on the other. They worked equally well for about a half an hour and then the SSS lost its effectiveness.  The Muskol lasted for hours.  I usually bring both and use the Muskol  on my clothes and hat .  The SSS is too labour intensive having to put it on too often to be effective when the bugs are really bad. – Lori (ps sorry to whoever(I think it was Steve Hammond) I accidently e-mailed this  post to … Hit the wrong button!)

Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood. It might work at first, but once perspiration dilutes it and/or washes it away, you would be without protection.

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet. I go to the army surplus store and buy a little plastic squeeze bottle of army issue incent repellant.  I believe it’s 90% deet. I’ve been using the same bottle for three seasons.  It cost me about $2.  It works. —

I used that stuff when I was in the USAF…dissolved the vinyl steering wheel in my jeep too.  Left neato fingerprints on anything plastic. Anyway, it did work.  I also read an article once that said the most affective concentration of DEET was about 30%.  This was an Army study, so maybe the latest Army-issue stuff only has about 30% DEET in it.  I buy any brand with about that much in it and they seem to work fine.  I like the stinky ones…reminds me of when I was a kid and going camping, kinda like when you smell sun tan lotion and you remember when you were a kid going to the beach.. Brian — Brian Dixon, Machine Vision Engineer, Hewlett Packard (Corvallis, Oregon)

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After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there?

Well, I don’t believe the mosquitos are that bad, but up north you have an evil creature called the black fly.  Never encountered one, but from what I hear they’re worse than any mosquito bite. Mosquitos are bad, but I’ll walk into a cloud of mosquitos any day over a cloud of no-see-ums!         Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there? Well, I don’t believe the mosquitos are that bad, but up north you have an evil creature called the black fly.  Never encountered one, but from what I hear they’re worse than any mosquito bite. Mosquitos are bad, but I’ll walk into a cloud of mosquitos any day over a cloud of no-see-ums!

A few years back, I went Pike fishing in the Adirondacks.  When I went back to the house, there were about 20 one inch trails of dry blood on my face. I was told that "black flies" were the culprits.  Are these the same critters that we’re talking about here?        Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood. Just so you win future trivial pursuit games, I think the current consensus is that mosquitos home in on the CO .                                             2

I think they follow CO2 trails, but home in on heat for the kill. How else can you explain the mosquito bite on my ankle? After 14 mosquito-free years in Southern California, I get to move to Massachusetts for grad school…  Any mosquitoes there?

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.

I go to the army surplus store and buy a little plastic squeeze bottle of army issue incent repellant.  I believe it’s 90% deet. I’ve been using the same bottle for three seasons.  It cost me about $2.  It works. — John Fereira Viacom Cable Pleasanton, CA

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Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes can’t smell the blood.

Just so you win future trivial pursuit games, I think the current consensus is that mosquitos home in on the CO .                                              2         Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mark Crafts                                                   Melbourne FL

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| Saw something sometime recently (how’s that for a solid start?) that SSS | isn’t really a repellent at all.  It’s oily, so it coats the skin and the | mosquitoes can’t get to the skin … or because of it’s scent, the mosquitoes | can’t smell the blood. | | It might work at first, but once perspiration dilutes it and/or washes it away, | you would be without protection. | Actually, I put very little on so that is absorbs into the skin and your skin isn’t oily at all.  I thought I heard that it had citronella  (the stuff they make bug candles with) in it but I’m not sure.

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.   Steve —  Scientific Computing Division            /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ____

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I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If it works for you great.  If you haven't tried it before, I'd bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite brand containing 95-100% deet.

Yes, my ex-neighbor the entomologist (bug-man) said that SSS does nothing for mosquitos.  DEET is the way to go.  He did say that it works for very small biting insects like black flies because it drowns them.  Steve -- Scientific Computing Division            /* /  _][     National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO     ____

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| | I have had no luck with SSS as an insect repellant.  If | it works for you great.  If you haven’t tried it before, | I’d bring muskol or cutters or whatever your favorite | brand containing 95-100% deet. | | I was curious to see how SSS and Muskol compared because I would rather use a non-deet repellant.  So during one trip I did in the middle of Algonquin Park (it was very hot and there were tons of nice, big mosquitoes) I did a test.  I put SSS on the bare skin of one arm and Muskol on the other. They worked equally well for about a half an hour and then the SSS lost its effectiveness.  The Muskol lasted for hours.  I usually bring both and use the Muskol  on my clothes and hat .  The SSS is too labour intensive having to put it on too often to be effective when the bugs are really bad. – Lori (ps sorry to whoever(I think it was Steve Hammond) I accidently e-mailed this   post to … Hit the wrong button!)

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