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Don’t forget a conical fermentor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not alone?  Oh no, it is as feared.  I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading.  And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain.  More equipment is inevitable.  Bigger brew pot.  Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first?  I know I can’t stop myself!  The kegerator is coming.  Growing hops, not a problem.  Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew…  I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod. I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side.  Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected).  I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER!  …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new  wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!).  Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles).  Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games!  Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind!  I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!)  Help me!  What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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I’m not alone?  Oh no, it is as feared.  I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading.  And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain.  More equipment is inevitable.  Bigger brew pot.  Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first?  I know I can’t stop myself!  The kegerator is coming.  Growing hops, not a problem.  Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew…  I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side.  Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected).  I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER!  …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new  wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!).  Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles).  Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games!  Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind!  I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!)  Help me!  What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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Close…Dave Barry..         ——-Denny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who said that there is a fine line between "hobby" and "obsession?"  Dave Berry? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com

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Thanks for the reply.  After almost 25 years of putting up with me, SWMBO is pretty reasonable.  I was just getting a bit worried that there would be an obnoxious odor floating throughout the house for the entire fermenting period.  The wort boil won’t be so bad; fan in the kitchen window and a promise that it’s just one day of the process will be okay.  If the fermenting is no big problem I’ll keep it where I had in mind.  Heck, I’ve spilled beer before, so wouldn’t be much different upon occasion 8).   Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer).  Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell.  Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops.   I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion. Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this.  SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation.  I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that?   Ricky

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I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer).  Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell.  Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops.   I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this.  SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation.  I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that?   Ricky

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My wife is 8 months pregnant… I think this contributes to her wild swings of sometimes taking an interest in my brewing, other times cursing the very notion of it.  Of course she can’t have any beer, but I defended my return to brewing by claiming that the beer will all be ready for her to drink after the baby comes.  Plus I tell her that once the baby comes I won’t have time to brew, so that’s why I’ve just got to have 2 or 3 batches going at once now.  Naturally I’m hoping to sneak in the occaisional brew session later this year, but for awhile I fear it’ll be all baby, all the time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. What is it with SWMBOs anyway?  Mine once said through clenched teeth "I *REALLY WISH* you would get a DIFFERENT hobby" But then I clean up the kitchen so perfectly she has no ammunition…. Then of course there’s the one where she asks whether reading all these brewing books, websites and magazines are more important than her… do I have to answer that? Mine tolerates it pretty well (so far). She just uses it as an excuse to feed her hobby–you would not believe the amount of yarn the woman has. And she bought some kind of yarn winding doohickey that I just love (she doesn’t ask me to help her wind it any more). So get her hooked on her own hobby…

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So your a little compulsive.  Be honest this has happened before maybe not tropical fish, making arrow heads, chess, banjo, fly fishing, bicycling and sailing but surely you recognize the pattern.  I myself went down with my German friend Brunhilda (I am not making this up.) to the local brewery to get a party pig of stout.  They had a homebrew section!  After that there was some sort of frenzy and when the fog cleared I had all this gear including Kegs, a refer, pots, a chiller, hoses stuff … big pile of stuff! Now when they see me coming I can see them lick their lips from the middle of the street.   My wife knew there was trouble (brewing) when the books started showing up. (The next horse she buys I’m getting a brew sculpture. ) In fact I am thinking that tomorrow, when the brewery opens up; I will buy another book; yes, a big fat one on making the perfect cream ale!     When you are feeling frustrated with this compulsiveness it is important to smoke lots and lots of cigars.  Also it helps to rotate addictions so as not to be overwhelmed.  Right now I am rotating through American Ales as fast as I can brew and heading for the English ones, then Stouts, then Lagers generally by 2005 (Spring) I should be up to lambics.  No sense in overdoing it. art

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side.  Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected).  I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER!  …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new  wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!).  Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles).  Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games!  Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind!  I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!)  Help me!  What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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After looking through some threads via google searches I finally found one I think answers my question plus one question I didn’t ask. As to fermenting, someone mentioned they ferment in the basement because of smell and others that their spouse hated it, so I guess it must not be a "baking bread" smell.  8)    I didn’t even think about the brewing process but folks posted it "smells great"/"makes you want to vomit" so sort of YMMV it seems. Maybe I need to rethink where I’m going to be doing this.  I have a cooker and I have a workshop with part sectioned off and air conditioned, but I have no running water there (or I should say, no sink — there is a water hose outlet outside the shop door).  It might work, just figured it wouldn’t be as sanitary as the kitchen.  Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this.  SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation.  I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that?  Ricky

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I’ve been gone for a couple of weeks.  When I left, the discussion was Indians. I come back and it’s the Chinese. This is rec.outdoors.fishing. fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical. Willi

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Hey, look on the bright side, 10 years from now the chinks and the yanks will have a great big mushroom throwing contest and Canada and Lichtenstein will be the next world powers. Kinda reassuring, don’t you think? KB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been gone for a couple of weeks.  When I left, the discussion was Indians. I come back and it’s the Chinese. This is rec.outdoors.fishing. fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical. Willi

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Kevin: It is absolutely outrageous of you to use such racist terms in your posting. Such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. I am not amused by your sarcastic comment here at all.  Trying to be funny? Try much harder. Actually,  it would be much better if you were just to shut your loud mouth. Usage of such term shows us that you are beyond the word ignorant can ever describe you as a person. I do not know you personally but from the short comment I see posted here, you are a useless piece of work. Go to hell, you asshole. jimmy chang

+AD4-Hey, look on the bright side, 10 years from now the chinks and the yanks +AD4-will have a great big mushroom throwing contest and Canada and Lichtenstein +AD4-will be the next world powers. +AD4- +AD4-Kinda reassuring, don’t you think? +AD4- +AD4-KB +AD4- +AD4APg- I’ve been gone for a couple of weeks.  When I left, the discussion was +AD4APg- Indians. I come back and it’s the Chinese. This is rec.outdoors.fishing. +AD4APg- fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical. +AD4APg- +AD4APg- Willi +AD4APg- goldens+AEA-frii.com +AD4- +AD4-

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It is absolutely outrageous of you to use such racist terms in your posting. Such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. I am not amused by your sarcastic comment here at all.

I too thought Kevin’s choice of words (the "c" word) was inappropriate and ruined what may have been an otherwise humorous intent.   I don’t disagree with you, but I would also point out that few things will draw more criticism here that nominating yourself as the voice of the majority. Go to hell, you asshole.

In your own words, such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. Chill dude. Joe F.

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Kevin: It is absolutely outrageous of you to use such racist terms in your posting. Such language is not welcomed or wanted by the majority of the people here. I am not amused by your sarcastic comment here at all.  Trying to be funny? Try much harder. Actually,  it would be much better if you were just to shut your loud mouth.

Jimmy Chang, I’ve lurked through this post from the start, and it seems to me that the one throwing around the most insults is you. Try to remove yourself from your self appointed throne, unwrap yourself from the "poor little minority flag" for a minute, take a breath and read into what some of the other posters have been telling you. You may not realize it, but most of them  are actually on your side. Nobody needs more enemies but you seem to be doing your level best to create them out of allies. Oh and if you want to throw a few racist comments my way to make yourself feel better I am 1/2 English, 1/4 Scottish, 1/8 Scandinavian and 1/8 Blackfoot Indian (native American). So "Pommy Bastard" works as does "Chug", "Mick", "Tomahawk", or "Honky". Or if you would prefer call me four eyes, that works too. Or if you want, call me another name that rhymes with my last name Cooper. when I was a kid, everyone thought pooper was pretty funny, and stooper was right up there as well. In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously. Usage of such term shows us that you are beyond the word ignorant can ever describe you as a person. I do not know you personally but from the short comment I see posted here, you are a useless piece of work. Go to hell, you asshole.

Truly said from the exhaulted leader  himself

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[deleted] In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously.

[deleted] Careful Stooper or you’ll have to answer to David Jones. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously. [deleted] Careful Stooper or you’ll have to answer to David Jones. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

  As long as he doesn’t make me dance like he used when he was with the monkeys I think I can handle it. Stevo the "sewer-mouth"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] In other words stop taking yourself so fucking seriously. [deleted] Careful Stooper or you’ll have to answer to David Jones. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"  As long as he doesn’t make me dance like he used when he was with the monkeys I think I can handle it. Stevo the "sewer-mouth"

Now THAT is freakin’ (somewhat polite way of saying f***in’) funny. I can just hear it now.  David Jones coming to get you guys singing  "Hey, hey I’m one of the monkeys and I’m not f**king around…" Aw, what the fuck.  There I said it. Warren

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Steve Cooper: Jimmy Chang, I’ve lurked through this post from the start, and it seems to me that the one throwing around the most insults is you. Try to remove yourself from your self appointed throne, unwrap yourself from the "poor little minority flag" for a minute, take a breath and read into what some of the other posters have been

telling you. I have NEVER seen myself as a "poor little minority" and for you to use such term is again insulting and ignorant. I bet that you can’t see that.  You may not realize it, but most of them  are actually on your side. Nobody needs more enemies but you seem to be doing your level best to create them out of

allies. I am not looking enemies but if I object to the things I hear, see or read, I react to it, just as you have reacted to my message.  And I would appreciate it if you do not  tell me otherwise. Oh and if you want to throw a few racist comments my way to make yourself feel better I am 1/2 English, 1/4 Scottish, 1/8 Scandinavian and 1/8 Blackfoot Indian (native American). So "Pommy Bastard" works as does "Chug", "Mick", "Tomahawk", or "Honky". Or if you would prefer call me four eyes, that works too. Or if you want, call me another name that rhymes with my last name Cooper. when I was a kid, everyone thought pooper was pretty funny, and stooper was right up there as well.

Seems to me that you really like to be verbally abused and "throwing a few racist comments your way" will certainly NOT make me feel better. I have better things to to, like, tying a big wooley bugger.  Find someone else that knows you well enough to do that for you.  There is really no need for you to describe yourself in detail:  I am really NOT interested in knowing you. I am sorry that people called you names when you were a kid and I promise you that I won’t do that to you. I only objected to Kevin Bennett’s use of the "c" word in his joke.  I might find it funny if I have known him personally.  But the use the "c" word,  as you like it or not, is inappropriate and I do not appreciate it.  There is no way I will sit quietly so that others can insult me. gone fishing

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Hey Jimmy sorry about the c word.  I was playing off the comment "This is rec.outdoors.fishing.fly not racial.opinions.foolish.farcical". by making an obviously racial, opinionated, foolish and farcical joke.  It was way funnier when I had six pints of Caplilano Ale in me. I’m not all that bad a guy, and I’m not racist. I hate ‘em all equally <joke Back to fly fishing…… KB

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i am going fishing in june lake from september 1-6, and i was wondering if anyone could give me recommended spots or suggestions for fly- fishing and spinner baits.         thanks, david dimond

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I am assuming that your referring to June Lake Loop, in California. June lake itself has been good to me and my family for trolling and bait soaking along the south east shore. Silver Lake offers protection from foul weather as you can hide behind the island and is my favorite in the loop. If you fish Silver lake you MUST fish Rush Creek which runs between Silver and Grant lake. If you have the time and appreciate your surroundings, I would head north on 395 and float tube Virginia Lakes (top of the summit above Mono Lake). For lunkers you should head south to Lake Crowley and again this lake is best float tubed, though you can fish from shore (alligator point). I prefer float tubing lakes which should justify my preferences. Best lure is Panther Martin "pm4,pm6 I think?" black with red dots, gold flash. Streamers would be olive matuka (with red throat), olive, black and purple wooly buggers. Terrestrial’s (hopper,cricket, ant) should be considered this time of year (rush creek), look around you. Caddis, adams and mosquito on the dry flies and if all else fails use the zug bug. Best of luck to you. There are just too many places to fish and enjoy life in that general area of the eastern sierra’s.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am going fishing in june lake from september 1-6, and i was wondering if anyone could give me recommended spots or suggestions for fly- fishing and spinner baits.  thanks, david dimond

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I will be arriving Gatlinburg Aug. 4 in time for an all afternoon class and will be there for the rest of the week. Is anyone else going? Would like to meet to have a few beers etc. I am sure that Marc Pinsel as President and co-founder of The Classic Atlantic Brim Fly Society will call at least one meeting to do serious liver damage at one of the local bars. This is the biggest show of the year for the FFF and if you have never been to one it is something else! They seldom have the big show this far South, so it is a real opportunity for many of us. They are also having a two day long Bamboo Rod Symposium. The one I attended last year in Idaho Falls was very interesting. Big Dale

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Hi Dale, Gretchen and I are leaving today in the motor home. We plan on a slow trip and a little fishing in the process. See you there. Tight Lines – Al Beatty http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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I’ll make the CABFS meetings for sure.  I’ll be setting up the conservation booth on the 4th.  And I’m really looking forward to some of the casting clinics.  If anyone is going up into the park to fish, please post.  We had a great time at the SE conclave last year, some rain, but it was a great time. Dick Whiting – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be arriving Gatlinburg Aug. 4 in time for an all afternoon class and will be there for the rest of the week. Is anyone else going? Would like to meet to have a few beers etc. I am sure that Marc Pinsel as President and co-founder of The Classic Atlantic Brim Fly Society will call at least one meeting to do serious liver damage at one of the local bars. This is the biggest show of the year for the FFF and if you have never been to one it is something else! They seldom have the big show this far South, so it is a real opportunity for many of us. They are also having a two day long Bamboo Rod Symposium. The one I attended last year in Idaho Falls was very interesting. Big Dale

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service and was wondering if anyone knew what type of plane will be used on this run ? DC-10 ? Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ? — kev http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6273/index.html np: something by someone on woxy-97x you can dye your hair, but its the one thing you can change. can’t run away from yourself… -pulp

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service

Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now. and was wondering if anyone knew what type of plane will be used on this run ? DC-10 ?

Yes. Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ?

Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so. This route will also feed Brathens’ hub at OSL for connections to other Scandinavian cities. Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s. -Erik

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now.

Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN. Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ? Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so.

I never knew. Quite fascinating, really. This route will also feed Brathens’ hub at OSL for connections to other Scandinavian cities. Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s.

Why not a MSP-CPH or a MSP-ARN flight instead of a MSP-OSL/GEN flight for connections to other Scandinavian cities ? Is it because of Northwest’s previous experience flying MSP-FBU ? — kev http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6273/index.html np: something by someone on WOXY-97x. you can dye your hair, but its the one thing you can change. can’t run away from yourself… -pulp

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says… I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now. Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN.

I would have thought OSL is the city code for Oslo. GEN is or was certainly the airport code for Gardermoen – or maybe they have changed GEN to OSL now that FBU is closed and GEN is a "real" airport? Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so. I never knew. Quite fascinating, really.

You have to be kidding. MSP? I never heard of any oil, fishing or knitting industry in Minnesota? Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s.

I think they also used to fly ARN-JFK in the 80’s. P-O — Per-Olof Litby Product Mgr, Microsoft Nordic, Box 27, 16493 Kista, Sweden Mobile +46 70 452-2885 Dates in your calendar are closer than they appear.

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Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN

I think it was GEN until FBU was closed, and then became OSL, since it is now Oslo’s one official airport (I am ignoring Torp) Why not a MSP-CPH or a MSP-ARN flight instead of a MSP-OSL/GEN flight for connections to other Scandinavian cities ? Is it because of Northwest’s previous experience flying MSP-FBU ?

Again, I thin it is to hook into Brathen’s system, which is partly owned by NW’s partner KLM. I think that the ORD-CPH and ORD-ARN service that SAS/United offers (and SAS’s control over CPH and ARN) forces "Wings" (NW/Brathens) to OSL. -Erik

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You have to be kidding. MSP? I never heard of any oil, fishing or knitting industry in Minnesota?

You obviously never listen to A Prarie Home Companion on National Public Radio. Quick history:  When the Great Northern and the Northern Pacific were being built, they actively recruited Scandinavians to populate the lands given to them to build the rail lines by the U.S. government (homesteading). Thus, to this day, the prominent heritage of European-Americans who live between Minneapolis and Seattle is Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Icelandic, and Finn) -Erik -Erik

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Really?  Where?  I lived there for 15 years and don’t ever recall this.

Next time you are at the airport, look in the main hall.: Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s. Yep, and MSP-ARN as well if I recall correctly.

I think it was a MSP-ARN-FBU triangle. -Erik

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Thus, to this day, the prominent heritage of European-Americans who live between Minneapolis and Seattle is Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Icelandic, and Finn)

There’s a strong majority of people of German/Swiss/Austrian descent in some areas as well, though.  Particularly southern and western Minnesota. —                      Written online using slrn 0.9.5.4!                    The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

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Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ?

MSP-OSL yes, because there is only one non-stop a day from Oslo to USA and that is with SAS’s 767. Nice with a timesaving alternative. Anders

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 10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish?

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 10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish?

9. Your fly is stuck on the fern 20 feet behind you.      - Ken — Ken Janik Oregon State University Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering

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9. Your line is dry. — Dennis C. Aron Independent Representative #13921 Champion Fishing Co., Ltd e-mail for income opportunity – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish?

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10.  Your hook is on backwards.

Two words.. "Fez Hat" email hacked to foil spammers

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 10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish? 9. Your fly is stuck on the fern 20 feet behind you.     – Ken

8. You have been fishing for ten minutes without realizing you lost your fly. David

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish? 9. Your fly is stuck on the fern 20 feet behind you.     – Ken 8. You have been fishing for ten minutes without realizing you lost your fly. David

7) Your rod is so light you cast 16 times before you realized you left the rod on the river bank.

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 10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish?

1. You are fishing with me after telling me stories for years about how you never get skunked.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 9. Your line is dry. — Dennis C. Aron Independent Representative #13921 Champion Fishing Co., Ltd e-mail for income opportunity  10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish? youre sitting at home surfing the net

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10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish?

I have been casting the last hour without a fly? Why don’t we stop false casting? Someone drained your swimming pool? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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  9.  You’re too busy deleting all of the cheesy filler this list generates, to ever make it out the door : Anglerboy : Any ideas to finish? — gp

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    9.  You’re too busy deleting all of the cheesy filler this list   generates, to ever make it out the door 8.  Some carnsarned kid caught ‘em all. 7.  With a cane pole she cut, using worms. Anglerboy

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….your fly fishing, should of used live bait!! marco

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8. You have been fishing for ten minutes without realizing you lost your fly. David

        Actually, you didn’t lose your fly– you just lost the bend and point of the hook.  The fly still looks beautiful! — Tight Threads,         Charley Renn         Corvallis, OR

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10.  Your hook is on backwards. Anglerboy Any ideas to finish?

9. You just pissed in the stream and the fish know! 8. Your dog just pissed in the stream. 7. You’re wading in the same same smelly sneakers as two seasons ago. 6. You snapped the nymph off your tippet six  casts ago. 5. You’re tying up your flies with the same fingers you use to take a pinch of chewing tobacco 4. Your dry fly is not getting "down to where the fish are." 3. Your nymph is not skating across the film like it ought to. 2. Got drunk and missed the hatch. And the number one reason you’re not catching fish. . . The wife wants you to finish putting up the shelves in the pantry.

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You’ve been breathing too much head cement.

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10.  Your hook is on backwards. Two words.. "Fez Hat" email hacked to foil spammers

You’re spending all your fishing time on ROFF

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  Given the Spiral of Death this ng has been in for a while, I  can only attribute it to    CABIN FEVER <<<   First of the year no less.   I  suggest we all run from our keyboards screaming some " PC" epithet and dive into the snow or at least in the freezer outside. Return  to your bench and tye  a dozen #22 Royal Humpys and call it a day.  All references to anatomical parts or functions, should be spoken, face down into the snow in a civil tone. Use of Prosaic & White Label with sensory depravation devices is frowned upon, but not forbidden. Remember that not long ago there was a good PMD hatch,that you just missed and the Sun was high and warm, and the river felt cool. We will be back there soon, Britt slang or no .   Harry "Only hundred and ten dozen more… shit"

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Hi Harry I agree with your "take" on the situation. The next thing we know someone with starting talking about Rush Limbaugh or Larry King and go bouncing in another direction. I like you "face down in the snow" idea, that would sure bring me up short. Speaking of which, I have about 14" of snow to shovel off the driveway, I guess I better get started. Darn! Other topic: You state at your signature "Only hundred and ten dozen more…" Are you a commercial tier? If you are I certainly understand you statement. Gretchen and I are winding down on an order for 350 dozen Royal Wulffs – only 27 more dozen to go. And then we have about another 800 to go. Oh well, Montana winter are long and we have plenty of time. Happy Holidays. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Sorry about the previous post – I am trying to get used to posting through Netscape and I am making a lot of mistakes. My question is this :         1. When I cast, my flyline and leader go out fine, but my tippet            often lands in jumbled mess. What might I be doing wrong? I                am using a 6wt rod, DT6F line, a 9ft 5X leader, and 5X tippet              (about 18 inches). I normally use size 14 or 16 nymphs and dry            flies. Thanks in advance for any help!

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        1. When I cast, my flyline and leader go out fine, but my tippet            often lands in jumbled mess. What might I be doing wrong? I                am using a 6wt rod, DT6F line, a 9ft 5X leader, and 5X tippet              (about 18 inches). I normally use size 14 or 16 nymphs and dry  

Check that leader is straight before you cast, i.e. pull it through your fingers (or a small piece of rubber) until straight. Leader design should be 40% (of length) stiff butt, 20% floppy tippet, remainder stepping down (say 0.016" to 0.008").  If in doubt, buy famous-brand knotted leaders, e.g. Orvis.  If you knot your own, you can customize fully. Excessive forward push on the casting stroke can cause fly to bounce back on loose loops of tippet (deliberately in some fishing situations.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Sorry about the previous post – I am trying to get used to posting through Netscape and I am making a lot of mistakes. My question is this :        1. When I cast, my flyline and leader go out fine, but my tippet           often lands in jumbled mess. What might I be doing wrong? I               am using a 6wt rod, DT6F line, a 9ft 5X leader, and 5X tippet             (about 18 inches). I normally use size 14 or 16 nymphs and dry           flies. Thanks in advance for any help!

Two thoughts Jeff:         1) Try using a heavier leader, some of the tapered variety are good.             This will provide stiffness, which aids the turn over of your             tippet. You can then add your tippet to the end of the leader.             It might be a good idea to use a 5′ leader at first, they are             easier to control, when you have mastered that then progress             to the 9′ leaded.         2) With seeing you cast its difficult to offer advice but a common             fault with  many casting techniques is that the angler casts at             the water rather than at eye level. If when you cast you aim at             the water then the fly line, leader and tippet are not given             sufficent time to turn over, resulting in your line landing in a             heap on the water. If you cast aiming at the horizon or eye level             this will give time for the turn over to be completed and your             tackle to land in a straight line. I hope they might prove to be of some help for you.         Tight lines                         Chris

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The recent discussion of fishing vests reminds me that I got the advice to buy a fishing vest one size larger than normal.  This way the vest won’t fit too tightly once you have the pockets loaded. Just 2 cents that I was given and am passing along. Dave

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Wearing a FF vest one size larger also allows you to add extra layers of clothing underneath in cold weather.

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: : The recent discussion of fishing vests reminds me that I got the : advice to buy a fishing vest one size larger than normal.  This way : the vest won’t fit too tightly once you have the pockets loaded. Or, in my case, put on a bit of poundage over the years.  Time to get on that damn Nordic Trac. — Tom

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: : The recent discussion of fishing vests reminds me that I got the : advice to buy a fishing vest one size larger than normal.  This way : the vest won’t fit too tightly once you have the pockets loaded. Or, in my case, put on a bit of poundage over the years.  Time to get on that damn Nordic Trac.

But then again, a Wood River bag fits over anything _and_ provides a work surface for openning fly boxes, tying leaders or dressing a fly.   Bags also offer the advantage of helping avoid looking like everyone else. Pete

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I’ll keep this short & sweet.   We’re just learning to fly fish. We’d like to go somewhere and practice our casting and line handling skills in moving water in mid-May. We’d prefer not to need waders.  We’d prefer not to drive too far from the Bay Area. It’s not crucial that we actually Catch Fish, but it would be more fun if we thought we had at least some tiny chance of doing so. I thought about the American R. in Sacramento, but don’t know the shoreline. Is it possible to fish w/o waders?  Are there some clear, non-brushy areas where we won’t get too many snags on the back cast? I’d prefer not to go to the Russian R., because we drive north on 101 several times a year for wine tasting etc., and we’re just getting a little bored with it. I know a nice wide open gravel-banked stretch of the McCloud river, but that’s a pretty hefty drive. Any advice, tips, etc? Thanks Mark

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We’d like to go somewhere and practice our casting and line handling skills in moving water in mid-May.

Mark, The water’s not moving, and you surely won’t catch fish, but a good place to practice casting is at the casting pools in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. There are generally plenty of expert casters hanging around the pools who are willing to offer casting advice to beginners. It doesn’t take the place of actually being astream, but it’s quite convenient… Fred —         Fred L. Templin

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(Mark Hurwitz) writes: I’d prefer not to go to the Russian R., because we drive north on 101 several times a year for wine tasting etc., and we’re just getting a little bored with it

Weelll, isn’t that special?:) I’m so happy Mark and his friend are adding flyfishing to their collectoin of really cool things to do. I don’t suppose Mark will be arriving at streamside in a late model BMW now will he? It’s FISHING, Mark, you’re supposed to get wet, and tangled up in "brushey areas which snag the backcast".  All I can say is: good luck, and don’t leave home w/out your american express card. P. Dundon

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