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i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off . Are you ok with that? I always got the impression that you enjoyed your work and that it helped you.

it doesn’t mean i can’t work , i just means i don’t have to .

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i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

Are you ok with that? I always got the impression that you enjoyed your work and that it helped you.

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i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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x-no-archive: yes i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off . Are you serious? What did she say about the pills?

yes i’m seroius , she gave me the busperone or whatever it’s called , and i was too afraid to ask for the lorazapam , i’ll wait and trick my physician into those .

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why would that be unfortunate for me ? besides , you’ve only got shakey nuts . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hm, i just checked and unfortunately for you, I also have nuts i’ve already got you beat , i’ve got nuts . ive got 6 months off, and i think im in contention for fruitcake of the year too lets have a playoff i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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Hm, i just checked and unfortunately for you, I also have nuts

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve already got you beat , i’ve got nuts . ive got 6 months off, and i think im in contention for fruitcake of the year too lets have a playoff i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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i’ve already got you beat , i’ve got nuts . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ive got 6 months off, and i think im in contention for fruitcake of the year too lets have a playoff i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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ive got 6 months off, and i think im in contention for fruitcake of the year too lets have a playoff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m going to win this years entry for , fruit cake of the year , *BUT* she filled out my disability form , looks like i’ll have all of next year off .

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it doesn’t mean i can’t work , i just means i don’t have to . I see, so what will you do? I was on buspar at one point a few years ago. Do you find it helps?

i’ll work when i feel like it , go back to college for some more addiction studies , part time . get alot of neglected work done around the ponderosa , by then it should be summer , and i’ll spend my days , lasily fly fishing down on the sakunka river , i’ll show you a picture of the river if you like .

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it doesn’t mean i can’t work , i just means i don’t have to .

I see, so what will you do? I was on buspar at one point a few years ago. Do you find it helps?

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I went to the library a couple of hours ago and checked out a book about the sense of smell, simply because it caught my eye.  While reading it at dinner a while ago I was reminded of the second thing I noticed on arriving at Jay’s cabin in the UP; the delicious and unique aroma of the north woods.  Every place has its own smell (libraries are another favorite, or rather, class of favorites…they’re all different) and this one, in the spring, combines rich undertones of damp earth, crisp aromatic conifers dominated by balsam fir, pungent aspens, and a host of lesser elements.  Every time it hits me I am immediately transported back to innumerable other visits for fishing, hunting, wood cutting, and sitting on the porch, which brings me to the first thing I noticed and which cut short my reverie, for there on the porch was the supine form of one medium sized Asadi.  It was either dead or asleep.  A few light kicks at the chair confirmed that it was the latter. After a few moments of hale fellow well mets I bundled the poor boy, much bedraggled from a long journey a hot sauna and wrasslin with some barley pop, off to see Agate Falls.  Agate is one of the more spectacular falls in the UP, which is littered with the things, and would later prove to be the last place we fished on this trip. When we got back to the neighborhood of the shack we stopped to visit Jay’s brother Bret, who lives in a trailer just a couple hundred yards down the road.  Bret is a journeyman electrician, which would allow him to live virtually anywhere he pleases.  He is also a VERY avid hunter and fisher.  That he chooses to live in such a place is indicative of what it has to offer to the outdoor enthusiast.  As we chatted (Asadi tried to buy Bret’s hat from his five year old daughter but she was too cagey for him), Jay drove up.  A few minutes later we all arrived at the shack to find Mr. Petah Charles there.  The evening was devoted to making plans for departure the next morning, sorting through gear, eating, and pouring offerings to the fish gods and the great god Ethanol.  Asadi, having gotten a considerable head start on the rest of us, easily won the evenings round of libations.  We were all pleased to discover that Peter speaks pretty good English for a ferriner.   We arose tolerably early the next morning and after a few brief stops for breakfast, extra packing food, conferences, mapping, waterfall viewing, fly shop hunting (without noticeable success, I might add), and other piddling chores, we managed to hit the trail precisely at the crack of noon….or thereabouts.  Jay decided to take a rather more challenging route than the rest of us so it was up to me to deliver the requisite lecture to the newbies…….stop whenever you feel a need, drink plenty of water, ANY discomfort on feet is to be taken very seriously and attended to immediately, yada, yada, yada.  I set a moderate pace for the first half mile so as not to tax the rookies. After a ten minute break during which Peter never bothered to remove his pack, I let him take the lead, and I spent the next hour and a half sprinting to keep him in sight while John, carrying some very heavy and very non traditional backpacking food and a head that looked suspiciously larger than it used to, was left to bring up the rear.  We arrived at the mouth of the Big Carp, after a trip of 4 1/4 miles, an hour and fifty minutes after hitting the trail, and this with a couple of rest stops totaling about fifteen minutes.  Goddamn Cannuck voyageurs!   More later……gotta rest. Wolfgang

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[ominous preclavian rumblings noted and snipped] More later……gotta rest. Wolfgang

John, Peter, and Wolfgang "alone together" in the woodz? Whoa… /daytripper (Jealous – or grateful? Tough call…

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Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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What is the newsletter address? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;   There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

There’s a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an idiot." – Steven Wright

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Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Preciate that Bob, You may rest assured that I will always be skulking in the shadows of R.O.F.B. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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I surf a lot of newsgroups because of varied interests: computers, boats, backpacking, motorcycles, science, and fishing. By far this NG has been the most enjoyable and informative. Flyfishers are definitely a unique group. Good fishing to all of you.

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I surf a lot of newsgroups because of varied interests: computers, boats, backpacking, motorcycles, science, and fishing. By far this NG has been the most enjoyable and informative. Flyfishers are definitely a unique group. Good fishing to all of you.

I guess that just shows that it isn’t necessarily the topic that determines the quality of a newsgroup (though there are obvious exceptions) but the people that contribute to it.  This group has more then it’s share of quality contributors. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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I surf a lot of newsgroups because of varied interests: computers, boats, backpacking, motorcycles, science, and fishing. By far this NG has been the most enjoyable and informative. Flyfishers are definitely a unique group. Good fishing to all of you. Stick around – You might even learn to like fly fishing! Jon Porter

  Jim Shearer writes: I am new to your news group and am enjoying a great deal. A lsot of info. so I will continue to be present. A little about myself: I have been tying flies for 46 years and have gone semi-commercial,planning on going commercial 100 % sometime in after I retire in July of 98. I losve going and tying for new flyfishers a conclaves and am always interested in new flies and materials. If you think you can learn all of this sport in 46 years FORGET IT. I hope to have a long and enjoyful career of fly fishing and tying for many years to come. Thanks for the group. Jim Shearer The Goofus Bug 6302 W 11 th Ct. kennewick,WA 99338 If no one has tried it and has time to read 100 plus messages a day try : We enjoy fly swaps and a lot of info.. So much info. per day I have to shut down the list from time to time to get time to tie flies. Enjoy.

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions?

Martin:         You might want to indicate what kind of fishing you are interested in. For steelhead/salmon on Lake Michigan’s tribs, or inland? Warmwater or cold? How far you willing to travel? tgb

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Try this site: — http://www.execpc.com/~glsfc/fish_wi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions? Martin:         You might want to indicate what kind of fishing you are interested in. For steelhead/salmon on Lake Michigan’s tribs, or inland? Warmwater or cold? How far you willing to travel? tgb

My fishing is for small fish. Hopefully trout but bass or blugill would be OK. I am going to use a 8 ft. 5 wt. fly rod. I would really like to do only streams as that is what I want to learn. I will have to rent a car there so a hours drive would be just perfect. 2 hours would be pushing it but possible if the reward was there. Thanks for the suggestion.

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there… My fishing is for small fish. Hopefully trout but bass or blugill would be OK. I am going to use a 8 ft. 5 wt. fly rod. I would really like to do only streams as that is what I want to learn. I will have to rent a car there so a hours drive would be just perfect. 2 hours would be pushing it but possible if the reward was there.

Martin:         Let me do a little thinking and map looking and I’ll get back to you. I’m not in that area but know of it and might be able to help. A couple of nice streams suggest themselves right off but I’d rather try to look first and advise later rather than mucking things up the other way around.         You know one of the problems with doing what you are thinking of doing can be best realized by imagining a guy coming to your area and trying to have a good time of it without a scintilla of the hard-won experience you’ve got as to where to go, when, using what equipment, flies, etc., etc. I.e., it might make sense to think about getting a guide if you can swing the dough? Even if only for a 1/2 day (if they go along with same); sometimes they can turn you on to just enough that you can take it from there.         But I’ll get back to you with what I can dig up about the area you’ll be visiting in any case. Tom Burczyk The workings of great institutions is mainly the result of a vast mass of routine, petty malice, self-interest, carelessness, and sheer mistake. Only a residual fraction is thought." Santayana

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions? Martin — Martin Jensen

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I went fishing for Stripers last Friday on the Sacramento River between Decker Island and Rio Vista.  I didn’t have a boat, so I fished off of the banks using blood worms.  I had a few bites, but didn’t catch any fish. Does anyone have experience fishing the Delta for Stripers from shore? What baits, presentations, locations, tides do you fish, and has fishing been good off of the banks recently?  I drove quite a bit on Friday, and only saw a handful of fisherman fishing from the shores. Thanks, KenP

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It’s really frustrating to fish stripers in the river with a boat, much less off the shore. You’d be better of in the Amercian river. There are more "hole" where the fish stop and concentrate. Some of the fly fishing shop in Sac are good resources to tell you where to go, as fly fishing for stripers is becomming really popular.

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Try Jimmy Nix’s Shineabou Shad patterns.  Jimmy developed wool and deerhair versions which are basically gray and silver.  Shad are members of the herring family.  They are the primary forage of the landlocked stripers here in Texas.

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Try Jimmy Nix’s Shineabou Shad patterns.  Jimmy developed wool and deerhair versions which are basically gray and silver.  Shad are members of the herring family.  They are the primary forage of the landlocked stripers here in Texas.

You might also want to try a post to the rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying newsgroup. That is what its there for! Good Luck.

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I’m looking for the recipe for a herring fly to use for stripers in the Merrimack river (MA).  Since these stripers are chasing the herring up the river I assume thats what there interested in, and why I’ve had no luck with white and chartruse and white decivers. I tied up a streamer with large black saddle, and grizzely concidering the herring are dark and silvery, havn’t had a chance to try it yet. Any help is appreciated. Thanx in advance PVM — Love means never having to say excuse me! / Paul V. Moruzzi                                                       | Patient Monitoring Division (PMD)                                     | | Hewlett Packard                           HP Telnet: 1-659-7850       | | 3000 Minuteman Road                           Voice: 1-508-659-7850   | | Andover, Ma.  01810-1099                        Fax: 1-508-685-5372   |

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I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing.

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: I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing. ALL the flies?  No way! Impossible!  Too many thousands of patterns. There are some good books out there that act as listings of flies. You may want to try the library and see what they have. You will quickly see what a variety there actually is. Jon Porter

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: I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing. ALL the flies?  No way! Impossible!  Too many thousands of patterns. There are some good books out there that act as listings of flies. You may want to try the library and see what they have. You will quickly see what a variety there actually is. Jon Porter

There are two books that do a fairly good job with photos and recipes for a lot of flies, not even close to all.  They are called Best 1000 Flies by Randall Scott (something) and Umpqua Fly Patterns,or something to that nature.  They are both great books with color photos and specific receipes.  Any fly enthusuist would love either one.You local fly shop should have it, or could order it.  If you run into any problems let  me know.  My store has them available. Take care, Clark Shafer Lost River Outfitters

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I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing.

Hi Your request is difficult but two book that may help are Fish Flies volumes I & II by Terry Hellekson. Those two books come close to covering most of flies. You can get them at a local book store or fly shop OR from Frank Amato Publications. 503-653-8108 Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey does anybody have any experience good/bad with these waders?  They look interesting but are they worth it?  And yes, Gore-Tex does work underwater. Hi Jorge- I trust you mean Simm’s Gore-Tex Micro Fiber. I have several pair including a protoype three seasons old. I’m in them just about every day and wear ‘em hard. I walk railroad tracks in 90 degree sun and wade waist deep with ice in the guides. They have yet to let me down.   In short, the micro fibers are great. Maybe better than great. I love them and have not put on neoprenes since. Because they expell moisture (where neoprene doesn’t) the *percieved* temperature is warmer in Gore-Tex than in neoprenes where the air is damp. Your best insulation is from layering fleece, Capilene, etc under a wader rather than depending on 3 or 4mm of neoprene anyway.   Gravel will grind in your shoes and the Micro-Fiber WILL leak in the feet unless you wear neoprene outer socks (provided with the waders). The water that migrates between the socks and the Gore-Tex allows even the feet to breath. Magic.       BEWARE! New models will soon be available with built in neoprene feet. These are convenient to wear (no messing with the neoprene outer sock) but despite what Simms, Orvis or anyone else say, the moisture laden air does NOT migrate up into your legs to be "breathed away". You WILL have wet feet. I have Micro-Fibers both with and without the built in neoprene feet. I’ll spend a minute putting on the extra sock any day to have dry feet!   I’m on the Simms technical advisory panel and work very closely with the company. To hopefully let you know my assesments are honest, let  me say:  Stay away from the Simms Cordura waders. They have a history of leakage problems. Also, I will tell you that Simms has had a very hard time meeting consumer demand and you might have a tough time finding your waders. Also, if you get a leak in your $300.00+ waders, it will take *at least* a month (based on history- their new plant opens next week and maybe this will speed things up) to get them repaired by Simms. You can not fix them at home. There. Now go out and buy a pair with my urging and enjoy! They *ARE* worth it.   Tight lines! Ralph —

  Ralph   Not to be contrary ,but I,ve have buddies that say after a few hours on the river they are soaked from within. Could this be condensation that does not "osmose" through the fabric fast enough ?   Harry  { I looking as well )

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 Ralph  Not to be contrary ,but I,ve have buddies that say after a few hours on the river they are soaked from within. Could this be condensation that does not "osmose" through the fabric fast enough ?

Hi Harry! Contrary? I think not, You asked a good question.    The greater the temperature "differential" (inside the wader vs outside the wader) the better Gore-Tex works. Walking around on a hot day will not only work up a sweat but will not provide much of a "differential" and the Gore-Tex won’t work.  If you’ve worked up a sweat then wade into cold water you’ll be dry in a few minutes. Gore-Tex down jackets and sleeping bags fail miserably because the down is such an efficient insulator the temp differential is minimal.    My guess is that your friends are fishing in very warm water or they have pin hole leaks (a big problem with the Simms *Cordura* Gore-Tex waders. If they are Cordura, have your friends throw them through the wash. The open weave of the Cordura traps very small stickers that poke nearly invisible holes into the Gore-Tex membrane. Very often the wash will soften and dislodge the stickers and the holes will reseal themselves).     Check to see they are using Gore-Tex. Some of the other "waterproof/breathable" materials aren’t as breathable as Gore-Tex and at least one is very prone to clogging with body oils. (All waterproof/breathble fabrics work best when kept relatively clean. Be sure to run them through the drier after they’ve been cleaned, this rejuvenates the water repellent coating applied to the outer fabric.)    Tight lines, Ralph —

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Just a question on the topic of Gortex Waders….. Do they provide any bouyancy, ala neoprene?  My buddy fell into the McKenzie last Saturday and was washed downstream about 150 ft. in about three minutes.  He survived because he was in neoprene and he remembered that they would provide bouyancy.  He lost his rod, but he lived to tell the story. Charley

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Just a question on the topic of Gortex Waders….. Do they provide any bouyancy, ala neoprene?  My buddy fell into the McKenzie last Saturday and was washed downstream about 150 ft.

When Gortex snow suits came out I quickly concluded they were for rich folks who don’t ski a lot.  Those who ski a lot tear up ski clothing, and can’t afford to purchase new gortex every season. By analogy, in my humble opinion, gortex waders are for rich folks who don’t really fish a lot.  My neopremes are so patched up they look like they have leprosy.  I can’t afford new gortex every season. — -Wayne Trzyna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a question on the topic of Gortex Waders….. Do they provide any bouyancy, ala neoprene?  My buddy fell into the McKenzie last Saturday and was washed downstream about 150 ft. When Gortex snow suits came out I quickly concluded they were for rich folks who don’t ski a lot.  Those who ski a lot tear up ski clothing, and can’t afford to purchase new gortex every season. By analogy, in my humble opinion, gortex waders are for rich folks who don’t really fish a lot.  My neopremes are so patched up they look like they have leprosy.  I can’t afford new gortex every season. — -Wayne Trzyna

Wayne  I tied 20 doz. flies for my last pair. Scotts, they lasted 4 years, even in the acid water of the Lower Sac.   Harry

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Wayne, :gortex waders are for rich folks who don’t really fish a lot.  My :neopremes are so patched up they look like they have leprosy.  I can’t :afford new gortex every season. I disagree.  I think that Gortex waders are for those of use who fish so much when it is hot that we would shorten our lifespans without them.  I would typically sweat at least two quarts up in South Park in my neoprenes.  I still sweat in my Goretex, but not nearly as much, because my bodies system actually works with the Goretex.  It’s also great to be able to take off your waders and not feel like you’ve had a bath.  I think that the only alternative to Goretex is to wade wet (which I love to do) but this doesn’t offer as much temperature variability as the Goretex. And that water in S. Park can be quiet cold.  Besides, they make patch kits for Goretex too..

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Harry, I am skeptical of anyone who is associated with a product. I don’t call that contrary,  just smart.  Their credibility is an inverse ratio to their financial involvement.

   The question is: Is there anyone out there who has used the Simms GoreTex waders for a year or so that would go back to using anything else?    I’m only an occasional fisherman, but I’ve had my older type Simms for three years and wouldn’t consider going back to neoprene or ‘lightweights’.  Given the other costs of this sport, I think these waders are pretty good value of the money. — Lloyd Fortney —Opinions are mine—

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  I’m only an occasional fisherman, but I’ve had my older type Simms for three years and wouldn’t consider going back to neoprene or ‘lightweights’.  Given the other costs of this sport, I think these waders are pretty good value of the money. — Lloyd Fortney —Opinions are mine—

Actually, I am convinced there is a place for both.  I absolutely love gore tex for 75% of my fishing.  However, yesterday I was fishing in some pretty cold water and wished i had had on neoprene about the time my feet turned blue. Mike Ray

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Hey does anybody have any experience good/bad with these waders?  They look interesting but are they worth it?  And yes, Gore-Tex does work underwater.

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Hey does anybody have any experience good/bad with these waders?  They look interesting but are they worth it?  And yes, Gore-Tex does work underwater.

Hi Jorge- I trust you mean Simm’s Gore-Tex Micro Fiber. I have several pair including a protoype three seasons old. I’m in them just about every day and wear ‘em hard. I walk railroad tracks in 90 degree sun and wade waist deep with ice in the guides. They have yet to let me down.    In short, the micro fibers are great. Maybe better than great. I love them and have not put on neoprenes since. Because they expell moisture (where neoprene doesn’t) the *percieved* temperature is warmer in Gore-Tex than in neoprenes where the air is damp. Your best insulation is from layering fleece, Capilene, etc under a wader rather than depending on 3 or 4mm of neoprene anyway.    Gravel will grind in your shoes and the Micro-Fiber WILL leak in the feet unless you wear neoprene outer socks (provided with the waders). The water that migrates between the socks and the Gore-Tex allows even the feet to breath. Magic.        BEWARE! New models will soon be available with built in neoprene feet. These are convenient to wear (no messing with the neoprene outer sock) but despite what Simms, Orvis or anyone else say, the moisture laden air does NOT migrate up into your legs to be "breathed away". You WILL have wet feet. I have Micro-Fibers both with and without the built in neoprene feet. I’ll spend a minute putting on the extra sock any day to have dry feet!    I’m on the Simms technical advisory panel and work very closely with the company. To hopefully let you know my assesments are honest, let  me say:  Stay away from the Simms Cordura waders. They have a history of leakage problems. Also, I will tell you that Simms has had a very hard time meeting consumer demand and you might have a tough time finding your waders. Also, if you get a leak in your $300.00+ waders, it will take *at least* a month (based on history- their new plant opens next week and maybe this will speed things up) to get them repaired by Simms. You can not fix them at home. There. Now go out and buy a pair with my urging and enjoy! They *ARE* worth it.    Tight lines! Ralph —

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Best thing I ever found for high mountain lakes is a black ant.  You can fish it with spinning gear or fly gear just a few feet from shore. Simply tie the ant on – it is heavy enough to cast 10-12 feet which is enough. Of course, it is a sinking fly.  Just let it sink as an insect which has fallen into the water would do… You can even make it from horsehair (as I once did) and it works just fine.  Works best when wind riffles the water (which, of course makes it hard to detect bites!) so that fish cannot see you.  They often cruise around the edges of the lake waiting for something to drop in, but with the clear water, the big problem is preventing them from seeing you. For spinners – use small spinners, all black or dull brass during the day and small silver spinners very early or late. Good fishing! Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have some questions about how folk fish mountain lakes.  I spin and I do a little flyfishing.  I have used fly bobbers with a little success.   I have used spinners with a little success too.  I have thot of packing in a float tube but it’s a bit much for *me* to try to pack that awkward mess in an hour and a half. So these are my questions: 1.      How do you fish a fly and fly bobber?  wet, dry, drowned (I got a 7