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We, Stichting Neptune Association, want to have a pair of blisters. Complete or large parts of it, whatever al will do. Even parts will do. We are able to remake the missing ones. So please help us, look in your backyard for parts. Mail us at the website http://www.neptune-association.nl. We don’t held it for possible that we can’t fly our grand old lady without this. With Kind regards, Peter Boel The Netherlands

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Try HARS at: http://www.notebookpub.com/hars/hars1.html They have two Neptunes, one flying. Cheers John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We, Stichting Neptune Association, want to have a pair of blisters. Complete or large parts of it, whatever al will do. Even parts will do. We are able to remake the missing ones. So please help us, look in your backyard for parts. Mail us at the website http://www.neptune-association.nl. We don’t held it for possible that we can’t fly our grand old lady without this. With Kind regards, Peter Boel The Netherlands

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We, Stichting Neptune Association, want to have a pair of blisters. Complete or large parts of it, whatever al will do. Even parts will do. We are able to remake the missing ones. So please help us, look in your backyard for parts. Mail us at the website http://www.neptune-association.nl. We don’t held it for possible that we can’t fly our grand old lady without this. With Kind regards, Peter Boel The Netherlands

good heavens is that all that stops you. stop looking at them as PBY blisters and look at them as sorta RV4 canopies. the manufacturing process is just perspex blowing. lots of homebuilders around that can help you with that. Stealth Pilot Australia.

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JV, Don’t speak too soon!! I believe the second Neppy is due to fly in to Albion Park (YWOL) very soon and hopefully the C-47 won’t be too much longer either!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try HARS at: http://www.notebookpub.com/hars/hars1.html They have two Neptunes, one flying. Cheers John We, Stichting Neptune Association, want to have a pair of blisters. Complete or large parts of it, whatever al will do. Even parts will do. We are able to remake the missing ones. So please help us, look in your backyard for parts. Mail us at the website http://www.neptune-association.nl. We don’t held it for possible that we can’t fly our grand old lady without this. With Kind regards, Peter Boel The Netherlands

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Good to hear! Cheers John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – JV, Don’t speak too soon!! I believe the second Neppy is due to fly in to Albion Park (YWOL) very soon and hopefully the C-47 won’t be too much longer either!! Try HARS at: http://www.notebookpub.com/hars/hars1.html They have two Neptunes, one flying. Cheers John We, Stichting Neptune Association, want to have a pair of blisters. Complete or large parts of it, whatever al will do. Even parts will do. We are able to remake the missing ones. So please help us, look in your backyard for parts. Mail us at the website http://www.neptune-association.nl. We don’t held it for possible that we can’t fly our grand old lady without this. With Kind regards, Peter Boel The Netherlands — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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bloody certification systems eh. the death of common sense aviation. I think this was the sort of thing someone else had in mind a few weeks ago when he asked where to find the fun. Cheers.

the secret is in the way you approach it. if you tie the boat and trailer on the back of the car and go fishing. typically you do it sensibly and within the law. the fact that you are operating in     laws on vehicle licensing     laws on driving on the road     laws on boatramps     laws on marine safety     laws on fishing limitations     laws on parking just never enters your mind. you operate in accordance with the intent of those laws and rarely worry about the specifics of the statutes. when I’m flying I never ever think of CASA. most of the requirements are just sensible practise enshrined in law. fly sensibly and it is automatically covered. why treat flying any differently than fly fishing? Stealth Pilot.

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bloody certification systems eh. the death of common sense aviation.

I think this was the sort of thing someone else had in mind a few weeks ago when he asked where to find the fun. Cheers.

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Our JAR-145 company won’t accept this type, thanks for the idea. Peter

eh? what I was getting at was that it should be possible to just blow new ones which were clones of the original. surely they accept locally manufactured spares of identical spec to the originals? bloody certification systems eh. the death of common sense aviation. I wish you the best in wading through it. Stealth Pilot

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Our JAR-145 company won’t accept this type, thanks for the idea. Peter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We, Stichting Neptune Association, want to have a pair of blisters. Complete or large parts of it, whatever al will do. Even parts will do. We are able to remake the missing ones. So please help us, look in your backyard for parts. Mail us at the website http://www.neptune-association.nl. We don’t held it for possible that we can’t fly our grand old lady without this. With Kind regards, Peter Boel The Netherlands good heavens is that all that stops you. stop looking at them as PBY blisters and look at them as sorta RV4 canopies. the manufacturing process is just perspex blowing. lots of homebuilders around that can help you with that. Stealth Pilot Australia.

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btw, here in nc, we call it the sidearm, m*****f*****g rhodo cast.

hee hee hee.  OK honest show of hands, who’s finally ripped off a rhodo branch that was getting in their way?? Regards, Jeff

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Guilty! Cut it off, walk away and hope it doesn’t grow back before you return.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – btw, here in nc, we call it the sidearm, m*****f*****g rhodo cast. hee hee hee.  OK honest show of hands, who’s finally ripped off a rhodo branch that was getting in their way?? Regards, Jeff

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Yea, I do that all the time.. it’s, uhh, on purpose, yea that’s it.. It’s amazing how well this works.. if I only had the ability to do this at will. My errant cast strung like a close line along the willows. I tried flipping the line off the willows and in the process, the fly dropped into the lie, the fish took, jumped the log and brok

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Some times we have to let the fish win — NOT!  Next time out, try a well weighted Dupont spinner.  Works every time.                     Frank Reid P.S. For those unfamiliar with the vernacular, a Dupont spinner is so-named because the pricipal manufacturer is the Dupont explosives division.  One can normally be obtained from "Crazy Lefty," the guy that works in the explosives bunker at your neighborhood rock quary for a small price. Warning:  an overuse of false casting while using one may be hazardous to your health. sportsmanship snipped – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The fish is still there, I still try for it, but I think that’s the closest I’m going to get.

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I first noticed it out of the corner of my eye, a dimple under some overhanging willows. <good story snipped

Ah, the old willow cast.   Thanks for a good one. Joe F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I first noticed it out of the corner of my eye, a dimple under some overhanging willows. Looking closer, I saw the steady, patterned rise of a fish.  I moved into position down and across from the fish and surveyed the situation. The fish was feeding in some very shallow water and was protected by dense willows above and a log protruding from the bank just upstream from his lie. I thought that maybe a side arm cast would keep the fly low enough to clear the willows and somehow land in the small slow water feeding area behind the log. I cast, snagged the willow, broke off my fly and put down the fish. Each time there were surface feeding fish about, I would find this fish methodically sipping in his hole. For awhile, I tried to come up with something new each time I passed his lie. I tried downstream casts, but the current would either push my fly past the small area where he fed or pile it up and snag the log. During hopper season, I tried skipping a hopper into his lie but caught willows and bark. I tried my crude imitations of pile casts and curve casts but the drift would never bring the fly into his feeding lane. I bushwhacked through the thick willows on the bank where he fed, hoping to try dapping, but long before I got into position, he was put down. When I reached out to extricate the flies I had lost in the willows from my past futile attempts, I was tempted to do some trimming but that didn’t seem too sporting. I had tried everything I could think of to get a fly to this fish. I probably could have somehow swung a streamer or nymph under the log and taken the fish, but it was a consistent, steady surface feeder and I was determined to meet it on these terms. I felt the side arm cast I first tried came the closest to getting the fly where it needed to be. Each time I passed its lie I would give it a shot. I mostly caught willows, but once in a while I would get a cast in where it belonged but the current always grabbed the tippet, dragged the fly and put down the fish. After each failure, I would go upstream to a shallow run to catch a couple easy fish to appease myself. One day, after fishing the run and getting ready to head home, I looked downstream noticed the fish was again rising. I was probably 40 feet away. I have trouble hitting an area the size of a Buick at this distance, much less one the size of a pie pan lying under some willows, but what the hell, one last cast. I hauled my three weight and let a cast go. My errant cast strung like a close line along the willows. I tried flipping the line off the willows and in the process, the fly dropped into the lie, the fish took, jumped the log and broke me off. The fish is still there, I still try for it, but I think that’s the closest I’m going to get. Willi

a nice read…thanks.  btw, here in nc, we call it the sidearm, m*****f*****g rhodo cast. to make it even more challenging, as if the bizarre twists of the branches and leaves aren’t enough, at certain times of the year, the rhodos have a sticky substance at the flower heads of the branches which is stronger than any commercial glue.  put your fly or leader in it and it’s generally easier just to cut the tippet. jeff

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I first noticed it out of the corner of my eye, a dimple under some overhanging willows. Looking closer, I saw the steady, patterned rise of a fish.  I moved into position down and across from the fish and surveyed the situation. The fish was feeding in some very shallow water and was protected by dense willows above and a log protruding from the bank just upstream from his lie. I thought that maybe a side arm cast would keep the fly low enough to clear the willows and somehow land in the small slow water feeding area behind the log. I cast, snagged the willow, broke off my fly and put down the fish. Each time there were surface feeding fish about, I would find this fish methodically sipping in his hole. For awhile, I tried to come up with something new each time I passed his lie. I tried downstream casts, but the current would either push my fly past the small area where he fed or pile it up and snag the log. During hopper season, I tried skipping a hopper into his lie but caught willows and bark. I tried my crude imitations of pile casts and curve casts but the drift would never bring the fly into his feeding lane. I bushwhacked through the thick willows on the bank where he fed, hoping to try dapping, but long before I got into position, he was put down. When I reached out to extricate the flies I had lost in the willows from my past futile attempts, I was tempted to do some trimming but that didn’t seem too sporting. I had tried everything I could think of to get a fly to this fish. I probably could have somehow swung a streamer or nymph under the log and taken the fish, but it was a consistent, steady surface feeder and I was determined to meet it on these terms. I felt the side arm cast I first tried came the closest to getting the fly where it needed to be. Each time I passed its lie I would give it a shot. I mostly caught willows, but once in a while I would get a cast in where it belonged but the current always grabbed the tippet, dragged the fly and put down the fish. After each failure, I would go upstream to a shallow run to catch a couple easy fish to appease myself. One day, after fishing the run and getting ready to head home, I looked downstream noticed the fish was again rising. I was probably 40 feet away. I have trouble hitting an area the size of a Buick at this distance, much less one the size of a pie pan lying under some willows, but what the hell, one last cast. I hauled my three weight and let a cast go. My errant cast strung like a close line along the willows. I tried flipping the line off the willows and in the process, the fly dropped into the lie, the fish took, jumped the log and broke me off. The fish is still there, I still try for it, but I think that’s the closest I’m going to get. Willi

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It REALLY isn’t necessary to take the entire six ounce tub in the stream with you.  The world is full of containers of all sizes and shapes.  Transferring Albolene from its original container to something more convenient for use in the stream is any easy task.

Film canisters work – used one for abolene for years.  Still carry one as a spare in my wader bag. Peter

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 …..I take the albolene and put some into one of those little "Brand X" bottles thats almost empty! What do you think boys and girls?…..

Actually, I think the "Brand G" would be a better choice.  I hear there’s billions of em out there.

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Hey, I’ve just had a brainstorm.

<Snipped, plan to undermine our glorious capitalist economy Good God man !   Are you trying to undermine the economics of the industry ? Shame on you !  It is mandatory for a flyfisherman to carry several extremely expensive bottles of various substances of doubtful value, and hardly ever to use them.  Ideas like yours, though probably economically sound, and eminently practical, might be the death knell of the industry. Some bugger will be advising us to use cheap rods as well next !  What is the world coming to ? TL MC

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Got to be me! Dave

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   sound advice, as usual, from a man whose ability to discern the truth of a matter is legendary.

Legend has it he did once<g. — Charlie…

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Fished the Big Quilecene river this pm. Lots of summer run Dog salmon carcasses in river. Very few trout. Fished an Orange stimulator, #6 on a 4x, as an October Caddis. You skitter the October caddis, and bob it under the surface to emulate egg laying. Caught handful of little Cutts and 2 chunky sea brite "rainbows" of about 14"  Strong fish. Had tied up a dozen stimulators and dressed all in Albolene nite before. Tried lite and heavy dressings. Both floated the fly, but the heavier dressing of Albolene did better, and still worked after being mouthed by caught fish. Stayed a little too long and went a little too far so had to hoof it back a couple of miles thru dark pastures and highway 101. Luckily my route went by the Laughing Oyster bar. Classic timber town bar. Thankfully no spotted owl on the menu Sunday nights. Dave

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Saturday, October 16, 1999 Wolfgang, …you seem to be an intelligent writer and you find it a point to seek out people at a public board and criticize.  Please, could you explain to me your idea of the ROFF, what it is in your words, and how you contribute?

Why yes, actually I’d be delighted.  ROFF is a public forum to which many people come to exchange ideas and information related to fly fishing and a host of other topics.  I contribute by posting on topic messages whenever I feel that they may satisfy one or more of the following criteria; they must be informative, unique, insightful, amusing, illustrative, or in some other way useful.  I use the same criteria for off topic posts. Now, since there are many regular contributors here whose knowledge of matters related to fly fishing is vastly greater than my own I leave most of the informative answers to fly fishing questions to them.  Given the wide ranging interests of the people who post here it stands to reason that certain topics will come up about which I am in a position to say something worthwhile by virtue of the fact that I am a unique human being with experiences different from anyone else’s.  When that happens I contribute as I can and when the spirit moves me. As for being critical, I plead guilty as charged.  So what?  Early in my career on this NG I was taken to task for daring to offer a definition of a scientific term which many others found lacking, and this is as it should be.  What, after all, is the purpose of a public forum?  Is it not to sift through the dross of ill considered and sloppily propounded opinions in search of the truth?  Or, if you will allow me to switch metaphors, what we are about here is a process of distillation.  We are looking for the pearls of wisdom hidden in the sow’s ear or some such. But enough of that. Let’s get to the point of your criticism so cleverly hidden in what appears to be a question.  So, you don’t like my tone.  Evidently you see me as being unnecessarily quarrelsome or even unkind.  Again, guilty as charged…at least in some cases.  I don’t find this particularly difficult to justify though.  The great beauty of the usenet is that it affords anyone with access the opportunity to say whatever he or she wishes with a guarantee that the message will be available to a wide audience.  The great shortcoming of the usenet is that it affords anyone with access the opportunity to say whatever he or she wishes with a guarantee that the message will be available to a wide audience.  We live in what is called the information age.  Unfortunately a lot of what passes as information is in fact, shit.  And not everyone who passes information via this forum is pure of motive.  All too often some sanctimonious asshole shows up with an agenda that has nothing to do with sharing information or camaraderie.  It’s all about demonstrating that he is a superior being, some kind of Nietzchean Ubermensch.  I suspect that more often than not the underlying motivation is really an attempt to convince himself that he is in fact something more than a waste of valuable space, but that is neither here nor there.  Whenever this occurs I will, in my own humble way, do whatever I can to convince him that this is not a friendly place for such as he.  I am of course aware that others see matters differently than I do and that they have different means of dealing with miscreants.  This too is as it should be.  We have several regulars here who are the very soul of kindness and forbearance. And while I admire their measured responses to people who are not worthy of their attention I cannot be who they are nor act as they do.  Different strokes…. I hope I have cleared up this matter for you.  If not, let me know via email and I’ll expand.    One thing has makes me curious though.  The post to which you responded with your criticism of my criticism was a plea for Kathy not to give up on ROFF.  There was nothing critical in anything I said in that post. In fact, I even pointed out your "small stream fly fishing part III" as an example of a good reason for staying!  It seems to me there would be more appropriate places for you to voice your complaints.  It shouldn’t be at all difficult for you to find a thread in which I took a swipe at someone. Cheers!

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Saturday, October 16, 1999 Wolfgang, …you seem to be an intelligent writer and you find it a point to seek out people at a public board and criticize.  Please, could you explain to me your idea of the ROFF, what it is in your words, and how you contribute? Why yes, actually I’d be delighted.

        (remarkably intelligent response deleted) Cheers!

        who loves ya, baby. wayno

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Albolene.   Costs about eight dollars ( American ) for a big jar. Sorry, forgot source !   Most drugstores and similar.

Hi all, Funny thing – if I say GINK is a terrific floatant  - that is not spam it’s the truth! If George says it, all hell breaks loose! — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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Bill Grey: <<Hi all, Funny thing – if I say GINK is a terrific floatant  - that is not spam it’s the truth! It is a terrific floatant.  I don’t think any one has a problem with that. Dave L.

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

here and say, "Hey!  Come on over to the Camp Site and join into the discussion about spamming!"  (?) Okay Kathy, I think we understand why you actually scrolled through this question.  Thanks for our opinion. Mr. G.

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Hey Ernie, or whoever remembers Whats the name of that hand cream you said was a great floatant? Where can you buy it? How much does it cost? Dave

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Im going to give this stuff a try. Just found out you can order Albolene floatant on the web for $6 a 6 oz jar. Fact is they sell it in case lots, and probably by the carload. Just in case anyone else is interested, here is their web address. http://cdesb.com/ Dave

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Hey Ernie, or whoever remembers Whats the name of that hand cream you said was a great floatant? Where can you buy it? How much does it cost? Dave

Albolene.   Costs about eight dollars ( American ) for a big jar. TL MC

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Albolene.   Costs about eight dollars ( American ) for a big jar.

Sorry, forgot source !   Most drugstores and similar.

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oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ? BTW, George when you coming out with a upside down applicator ?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Im going to give this stuff a try. Just found out you can order Albolene floatant on the web for $6 a 6 oz jar. Fact is they sell it in case lots, and probably by the carload. Just in case anyone else is interested, here is their web address. http://cdesb.com/ Dave

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oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ?

Can’t you fill an applicator bottle from the jar? I have never seen the stuff so I have no idea if it can be done or not, but I am sure someone out there already has (or tried).  Info? Tips? Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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Somewhere along the way I picked up a little holster thingy that holds the Gink bottle upside down, clipped to a zinger on my vest.  Label says "Gus’s Original Montana Flot-Pak".  Damned if I know where I picked it up at, but it works fine. — Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ? BTW, George when you coming out with a upside down applicator ? Im going to give this stuff a try. Just found out you can order Albolene floatant on the web for $6 a 6 oz jar. Fact is they sell it in case lots, and probably by the carload. Just in case anyone else is interested, here is their web address. http://cdesb.com/ Dave

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

Don’t leave Kathy!  Lots of reasons to stay.  For example, see Adam’s "small stream fly fishing Part III" above.  In addition Mu shared a lovely story with us just yesterday.  Mike is back with with his valedictorian versification…….the list goes on.  Life goes on and ROFF is still the last best place around!

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oh, come on, isn’t worth $2.49  for you to have the convenience of an applicator bottle ? Or do you ant to go streamside with a 6 oz. jar hanging from your vest ?

It REALLY isn’t necessary to take the entire six ounce tub in the stream with you.  The world is full of containers of all sizes and shapes.  Transferring Albolene from its original container to something more convenient for use in the stream is any easy task.

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 Somewhere along the way I picked up a little holster thingy that holds the Gink bottle upside down, clipped to a zinger on my vest.  Label says "Gus’s Original Montana Flot-Pak".  Damned if I know where I picked it up at, but it works fine.

     If you are a real cheapskate (I am) you can make your own bottle holder. All the hardware stores sell black plastic 1" table leg end caps, they are usually come packaged four for a buck. These will snugly hold most of the gooey floatants (if you still use the stuff), most brands come in the same size bottle. Burn two holes in the base with a hot dubbing needle and tie in a loop of leader butt material. Voila- make one for yourself and impress three friends for a buck.

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!!

Filter all but those from A. Wayne Harrison….he is the young Marlon Brando. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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For some stupid reason I actually scrolled through this trash. This is the entire reason why I have stopped wasting my time with this group. EGAD!! Filter all but those from A. Wayne Harrison….he is the young Marlon Brando. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

    sound advice, as usual, from a man whose ability to discern the truth of a matter is legendary. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hey, I’ve just had a brainstorm.  OK ready?  What about this:  I take the albolene and put some into one of those little "Brand X" bottles thats almost empty! What do you think boys and girls? Will this work? Betcha it will. Dave

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Chapter IX

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I would like to try fly fishing next summer.   I don’t have any equipment now but I will be buying in the spring.  I could use some adive on what to buy.  I will be fishing mainly rivers and streams for trout.  Also some adive on a good book for beginners would be helpful. Thank You Ronald Johnson — SAVE MONEY!  7.5 cent/minute long distance.  Calling cards .10 cent/minute.  Click here to save money! http://www.myfreeoffice.com/starcom A FREE business opportunity you can run from the comfort of home http://telcom-mlm.com/bizop.cgi?rjcomp1998 Free Classifieds, Free Autoresponders!  Post your ad to one of the largest classifieds and get a Free autoresponder! http://www.websitings.com/classads/sites/starcom.htm

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Ron,     Just to share my own newbie experience.  I bought a Cortland Fairplay kit.  It included graphite rod, graphite reel, line, backing, leader and "How To" video.  The rig was under $80.  The 6 wt. outfit was an excellent trout/smallmouth all-a-round rig.  I found it an excellent introduction. Talking with a Cortland rep. at a recent show, he said they do not promote the Fairplay outfit because it is a "price leader" (low profit margin). They do, however, get excellent feedback on the rod.  My casting instructor was extremely impressed with the outfit. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would like to try fly fishing next summer.   I don’t have any equipment now but I will be buying in the spring.  I could use some adive on what to buy.  I will be fishing mainly rivers and streams for trout.  Also some adive on a good book for beginners would be helpful. Thank You Ronald Johnson — SAVE MONEY!  7.5 cent/minute long distance.  Calling cards .10 cent/minute.  Click here to save money! http://www.myfreeoffice.com/starcom A FREE business opportunity you can run from the comfort of home http://telcom-mlm.com/bizop.cgi?rjcomp1998 Free Classifieds, Free Autoresponders!  Post your ad to one of the largest classifieds and get a Free autoresponder! http://www.websitings.com/classads/sites/starcom.htm

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Wayne hart: <<ust to share my own newbie experience.  I bought a Cortland Fairplay kit.  It included graphite rod, graphite reel, line, backing, leader and "How To" video.  The rig was under $80.  The 6 wt. outfit was an excellent trout/smallmouth all-a-round rig.  I found it an excellent introduction. Talking with a Cortland rep. at a recent show, he said they do not promote the Fairplay outfit because it is a "price leader" (low profit margin). They do, however, get excellent feedback on the rod.  My casting instructor was extremely impressed with the outfit. Hi, Ron.   I think Wayne’s advise is good.  I bought the same outfit for my youngest grandson (gave his older brother an Orvis that I didn’t care for).  He did extremely well with it, right out of the shute.  He’s talking Sage now, however.  I let him use my 5 weight — love at first cast…….  Go with what Wayne has advised.  Hell, can’t make many mistakes in life that will cost you less than $100. Dave LaCourse

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 Hell, can’t make many mistakes in life that will cost you less than $100. Dave LaCourse

        truer words have not been spoken on this, or any other, newsgroup. wayno

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Hi I was wondering if any person knows any flats in Cozumel for bones done on a budget?? Also if Isla Mujeres has any wadable flats nearby? Thanks alot Sam I am

Hi, You can catch bones on the north end of Cozumel any time of the year. There are lots of guides on the island. I have not heard of anyone driving there yet as the roads don’t go there. Get a guide for a half day trip in the morning as that is the best fishing anyway. If you shop around you might get a guide for $150/half-day. I was out on Isla Mujeres, but didn’t see any flats. I don’t know about any guides there, but it has a big lagoon. We have been fishing a great lagoon system about an hour north of Cancun with schools of small tarpon from 5 to 30 pounds in clear shallow water. Guides can pick you up at 5am at your hotel in Cancun and take you out for the day. Call Fred at Rod & Reel Adventures to book any of these guides. 800/356-6982 Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Hi I was wondering if any person knows any flats in Cozumel for bones done on a budget?? Also if Isla Mujeres has any wadable flats nearby? Thanks alot Sam I am

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There are three areas at the north end of Cozumel Island. There are lots of bonefish, although not trophy size. At least I haven’t caught one. They are large enough to make your reel sing and make you wonder if you have enough backing. I have heard that you can drive there but I don’t know for sure. I don’t have the name of the guide I use. You can ask around at the marina.

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… A good caster can get a good presentation with any good rod.

I’ll second that thought!  At $10/hour that extra $200 could have been spent fishing for 3 days.  This has the side benefit that after three days of fishing they would probably be a better caster. MikeH

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Anne,         I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anne, I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s. I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking.

If you’ve a nice open trail, I would agree, but I’ve taken my 2-piece and 4-piece backpacking.  The 4-piece is about the same size as the pack, therefore if it doesn’t hit your pack, it doesn’t hit your rod.  The two piece tends to stick out like a flagpole.  Go under anything and you can be sure you’ll bang into it.  After nearly taking a tumble into the Gorge (I would have hit I-84 first I won’t backpack with anything less than a 4-piece. My $0.02,      - Ken — Ken Janik Oregon State University Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering

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Our customers in Sacramento, CA have been buying more 3, 4 and now 5 piece rods every year. The multi piece rods cast some much better today than they did 20 to 30 years ago. Nine foot, three piece rods are the hottest thing going in northern California. We have around a hundred different 3, 4 and 5 piece rods to choose from in our store. We do stock about 200 different two piece fly rods as they are still very popular. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our customers in Sacramento, CA have been buying more 3, 4 and now 5 piece rods every year. The multi piece rods cast some much better today than they did 20 to 30 years ago. Nine foot, three piece rods are the hottest thing going in northern California. We have around a hundred different 3, 4 and 5 piece rods to choose from in our store. We do stock about 200 different two piece fly rods as they are still very popular. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

I think what Bill wants to say that there is basically no difference in performance between good 2 piece vs 3/4/5 piece rods. They might feel slightly different but I think that’s mor because you know it than you really feel it. I see *NO* reason to but a 2 piece today, the convenience and safety when packing, driving, flying, hiking etc. is unbeatable. Thomas — Thomas Urbig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anne, I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s. I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking.

Having also done quite a bit of hiking in the Sierra with a flyrod I have found that a sturdy flyrod tube also makes a decent walking staff.  I’ve found that I would generally prefer to carry the rod in a tube by hand instead of of strapping to a pack.  There have been a couple of occasions where I’ve slipped on some shale or a slick section along a streambed and I’ve just tossed the rod somewhere "safe" as I was going down. John Fereira

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There is a much wider choice of 4-piece than 3-piece. I have tried Loomis IMX 4-t. in 2- and 4-piece. Tremendous difference in feeling(4-piece feels much heavier) but casting length did not differ much. Then I tried Scott STS. It was practically impossible to distinguish between 2-piece and 4-piece. I do not think there is a general answer to your question. It depends on brand an model. You  m u s t  try before you buy! Regards Jan Erik Frithjofsen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

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Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole.

Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

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Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

I use  two piece rods in a rod case stiff enough to double as a walking stick. I’ve never been in a situation where I needed to break a rod down into shorter pieces. . . Maybe if you’re hiking over the course of a week or so, and getting into desolate country where you just don’t want to be carrying a rod in hand. But I’ve always been fine with carrying a rod to go fishing. . . two pieces have a much nicer action than three or four. I suggest a mid priced rod –in the $90 – $100 range until you can explain to the salesperson what it is you need and why. For trout, a medium fast action, nine feet, in a five or six weight. A good basic rod –in two pieces. BTW I have an eight foot in 3 – 4 wt. a nine foot in 6 wt. for trout, and a nine in 8 wt. for steelhead. All good quality graphite, all about $100. And I’ve been doing this fly fishing stuff for about three decades now, love pulling the fish out of the holding area just thrashed by the guy with the $300 Sage without a single rise. A good caster can get a good presentation with any good rod. A good rod won’t help a poor caster make a good presentation.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking. If you’ve a nice open trail, I would agree, but I’ve taken my 2-piece and 4-piece backpacking.  The 4-piece is about the same size as the pack, therefore if it doesn’t hit your pack, it doesn’t hit your rod.  The two piece tends to stick out like a flagpole.  Go under anything and you can be sure you’ll bang into it.  

That’s what I meant by easy hiking.  Open trails and scaling rock walls, no ducking under things.  But yeah, it is like a flagpole.  But a nice place to hang a sweaty bandana. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley           2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Let us not forget that a four piece rod can be broken down into two equal lengths for a quick bush walk to the next hole.

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Anne, I feel more of a difference (which is to say so little that I think it’ just because I know the rod is a multi-piece rather than a 2 piece)between 2piece rods than 3,4, or 6 piece rods.  Also, in my experience that a rod tube of about 36" in length or shorter, straps very easily to the side of my backpack and I only notice it when I sit down or bushwhack with the pack on. Do any of you find a great difference in action between the 3 piece and 4 piece? I hope to be buying my first rod soon and would like other opinions on this rather than just the salesman’s.

I never had a problem with a 2-piece rod strapped to the side of my backpack. And I trekked it all over the Sierras.  Of course that’s pretty easy hiking. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Having being bitten by the rod building bug this winter (3 down so far), I’ve decided to put together a pack rod.  What I’m wondering is whether for airplane luggage a 3 piece 9 footer (36 inch sections) is allowed in overhead, or whether I have to drop to a 4 piece (27 inch sections) to be able to carry it on.  I’d prefer a 3 piece because my blank of choice right now is a Scott Alpha (very nice for the money, at least for the 2 piece ones I’ve built with it!), but will do a four piece if I have to. Opinions? Troy

        Most overheads will take up to 48" . So most three piece rods will fit.                  Harv

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Having being bitten by the rod building bug this winter (3 down so far), I’ve decided to put together a pack rod.  What I’m wondering is whether for airplane luggage a 3 piece 9 footer (36 inch sections) is allowed in overhead, or whether I have to drop to a 4 piece (27 inch sections) to be able to carry it on.  I’d prefer a 3 piece because my blank of choice right now is a Scott Alpha (very nice for the money, at least for the 2 piece ones I’ve built with it!), but will do a four piece if I have to. Opinions? Troy

I have a 3 and a 4 pc. and both will fit in overheads. However the 4 pc. will fit inside most of my luggage, whereas the 3 pc. will not, and I don’t feel like buying new luggage. So when I fly I bring the 4 pc., while I stow the 3 pc. on the boat.                                                                 jc

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Having being bitten by the rod building bug this winter (3 down so far), I’ve decided to put together a pack rod.  What I’m wondering is whether for airplane luggage a 3 piece 9 footer (36 inch sections) is allowed in overhead, or whether I have to drop to a 4 piece (27 inch sections) to be able to carry it on.  I’d prefer a 3 piece because my blank of choice right now is a Scott Alpha (very nice for the money, at least for the 2 piece ones I’ve built with it!), but will do a four piece if I have to. Opinions? Troy

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I am going to visit my daughter in Lansdale, PA over March 8 for a few days. I have fished the Little LeHigh a couple of times but would like the names of other streams which are open this time of the year and fairly close to Lansdale since I have use of her car between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. while she is working. What patterns might be useful at this time of year.  Thanks in advance.   Jim

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I am going to visit my daughter in Lansdale, PA over March 8 for a few days. I have fished the Little LeHigh a couple of times but would like the names of other streams which are open this time of the year and fairly close to Lansdale since I have use of her car between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. while she is working. What patterns might be useful at this time of year.  Thanks in advance.   Jim

Jim, the trout season will not be open here at that time of year.  Your only bet for flyfishing at that time of year is to try some of the many special regulation areas that are open year-round.  These will be listed in your fishing regulation summary that you get when you buy your license.  I’d try to stick to the spring creeks that time of year, (Little Lehigh, Valley, and Monocacy), as the freestoners are not at their best yet.

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.            

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.

Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S. Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

Good info Jim, I would add the Namakogen (sp?) in Northwest WI. Vince

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.  

        I would recommend that you contact Dennis Graupe at the Spring Creek Angler in Coon Valley WI. (608-452-3430). Tell him that John Myers sent you. Note that the WI season closes 9/30/96.                                 j.m.          

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I’m new to Eastern Washington.  Does anyone have any information on decent fly- fishing rivers in that area? Any advice is appreciated! Thanks! Greg

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: I’m new to Eastern Washington.  Does : anyone have any information on decent fly- : fishing rivers in that area? : Any advice is appreciated! Yes, buy an Idaho license and use it.  I’m serious. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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: I’m new to Eastern Washington.  Does : anyone have any information on decent fly- : fishing rivers in that area? : Any advice is appreciated! : Thanks! : Greg

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Greg, try fishing the Yakima and Cle Elum rivers for starters. –

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Pick up a GAZETEER (spelling questionable) for WA state and look for all the Rivers and start exploring.

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Greg, the Yakima River has been restored as a decent fishery. Amato Publications out of Portland, Ore, publishes a book called the River Journal. They featured the Yakima a few months ago. They are beautiful books and provide a great deal of information about where and what to fish, along with other interesting facts. I also have friends who use to fish the Columbia for Steelhead at Ringold. This is a section of the river north of Richland. Ask any fishing store for directions and I am sure they could point you in that direction. Good luck and rip some lips.

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