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It sounds like that fish needed to be caught like he needed a hole in his head!!! ARG… Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer, I either caught or witnessed being caught the same fish 7 different times from the same pool, once each on 7 different fishing trips. The trout had a very unique circular hole in its head, looked like it had been pecked at by a heron. Every visit I made to that pool, either on my own, with a friend, or with a client, resulted in that same fish getting caught. Tim Lysyk timlysyk at telus dot net

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<SNIP. Now the real dilemma. What to do with a dead fish right in front of our campsite knowing that there’s a griz in the area. I slid it back into the water and had a sleepless night.

Its only a dead fish.  There are a lot of other reasons for sleepless nights. Few of them have to do with fish. TL MC

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I don’t have a story to add, but I wanted to write-in to say that this is a darned interesting thread. Keep them coming. Memphis Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly? one that always amuses me, and provides fond memories, is a brookie that was taken on up high on the spine of grandfather mountain, up high on boone’s fork… a few years ago… i approached the curvaceous body with eager anticipation. every nerve on edge, every move forsaken, every breath…. well, bated. the body of my desire being that of waterworn, finely sanded granite, obviously the design of a female god…. hence the sexuality….. and obviously, the desire to fondle the trout that lay at the artistic granitic turn in the clear pristine waters beneath the ever-present, prevalent growth of rhododendron. a few here at roff have fished this forlorn yet gorgeous pool…. i have taken them there…. i digress… the cast was adequate. the tippet turned over to present the fly. it stuck….. adhered in a spider’s web strung between some low-riding rhodo branches….  the fly dangling about six inches above the surface of the crisp cool mountain water. shit. i’m flummoxed as to how to loosen the fly without spooking the fish i just know is residing below. i try a soft twitch of my rod, transmitting a soft and gentle energy via the line to the leader, through the hewn tippet knots, onward, ever so craftily to the tippet. the fly sveltely dances, as it precariously dangles from the web…. but does not dislodge. whoosh…. sweet baby jesus…. a take. the brookie has leapt from the depths like a submarine launched missile and taken the fly. once hooked, the darling was brought to hand rather easily, as he was shy of a foot by a few inches. i have never caught a trout like that again, but whenever i see a spider web spun close to the water, i try to recreate the –waldo

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While the legal requirement to return a mortally wounded fish if it’s undersized, or caught in a C&R area, or otherwise "illegal" to keep seems nonsensical at first, but the reason is logical and actually rather obvious. Without the requirement, it would be impossible to enforce the regulations. Also, like Ken and and Jim point out, it also doesn’t do any great harm (although I’m pretty sure Tbone is extremely offended by the practice). I will very occasionally keep a doomed fish caught in C&R waters, but only when I’m damned sure I won’t be caught with it. It does feel somehow ethically wrong to release it, even if it’s legally right.

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  I’ve thought about this a bit since it happened. My first thought was   that it’s pretty damn silly to "waste" a fish that’s already dead   regardless of Park regulations to the contrary. Why not just fry it up   and eat it, especially since putting it back could be considered tempting   fate in grizzly country. But I’ve come around to the position that   considering ME not eating the fish to be the equivalent of "wasting" the   fish is wrongheaded. There are many organisms, from the microscopic to the   aforementioned griz that would consider that carcass a feast. I did the   right thing.   For me, it’s a tough call. Fish dying and returning to the ecosystem is how they evolved, but not returning fish that were killed by angling. I think it’s a weakness of C&R regulation. I think you should keep and eat a fish that’s badly hooked, but like RW said, if that were allowed the regulation would be unenforceable. Willi

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My wife and I fished with a guide in Maine last year. We both made it clear that we were C&R only – something the guide practiced as well. My wife hooked a 10" Brookie as we sailed through some white water. No way to stop, we could only drag the fish behind us. By the time we were through, the rapids had gotten the best of the little Brookie (that and the fact that the fish had taken the fly very deeply for some reason). Then the debate was on – do we keep the little guy (he was under the size limit as I recall) illegally and at least he serves some purpose, or put him back to float down stream. Decided quickly to return him to the ecology. Plenty of things feasted on him. Never regreted it a bit. Course, not the same as a 22" Cutty, but I don’t believe it would have changed my decision. I’m with you Ken. Jim Ray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … What to do with a dead fish … Shoulda kept it in your tent. Unethical. I’ve thought about this a bit since it happened. My first thought was that it’s pretty damn silly to "waste" a fish that’s already dead regardless of Park regulations to the contrary. Why not just fry it up and eat it, especially since putting it back could be considered tempting fate in grizzly country. But I’ve come around to the position that considering ME not eating the fish to be the equivalent of "wasting" the fish is wrongheaded. There are many organisms, from the microscopic to the aforementioned griz that would consider that carcass a feast. I did the right thing. — Ken Fortenberry

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… What to do with a dead fish … Shoulda kept it in your tent.

Unethical. I’ve thought about this a bit since it happened. My first thought was that it’s pretty damn silly to "waste" a fish that’s already dead regardless of Park regulations to the contrary. Why not just fry it up and eat it, especially since putting it back could be considered tempting fate in grizzly country. But I’ve come around to the position that considering ME not eating the fish to be the equivalent of "wasting" the fish is wrongheaded. There are many organisms, from the microscopic to the aforementioned griz that would consider that carcass a feast. I did the right thing. — Ken Fortenberry

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Now the real dilemma. What to do with a dead fish right in front of our campsite knowing that there’s a griz in the area. I slid it back into the water and had a sleepless night.

Shoulda kept it in your tent.

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recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly? …

Slough Creek circa 1980 something, I caught a 22" cutthroat and when I brought it to hand the hopper was impaled on the OUTSIDE of the gill plate. I went to pluck it off only to realize that the fish had inhaled the hopper. The fly had gone in its mouth, out the gills, and then attached itself to the outside. Needless to say, when I plucked at the fly the tippet, which was still in the fishes mouth, sliced through the gills. A bloody mess and I knew I had a dead fish on my hands. My wife, who is normally off doing photography while I fish, was looking on because she was afraid to get off by herself. The rangers had warned us about a female griz in the area. I had to sheepishly admit that I’d killed the fish despite my rather pompous pontificating about C&R around the campfire the night before. Now the real dilemma. What to do with a dead fish right in front of our campsite knowing that there’s a griz in the area. I slid it back into the water and had a sleepless night. — Ken Fortenberry

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recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Almost caught…. I was fishing on the N.F. Clearwater below Kelly Forks, casting across a deep pool to a little riff, up comes a 6 inch rainbow. I started pulling the little guy toward me and it dove down about 10 feet away, all of the sudden this 6 inch rainbow was stripping line off my reel. I fought the fish for a few minutes and got it within sight. A bull trout had latched onto the side of the rainbow, I pulled the two fish up and tried to net them, as I went down with the net and the bull trout let go. I stood there with a puzzled look on my face explaining the story to my friend down the way. During out conversation the 6 inch trout was up at the surface swimming around, once again the bull trout came back and latched on. I fought the pair, this time almost netting the fish. Wish I had, the bull trout looked to be in the 25 inch range. I release the rainbow, he seemed to be okay despite the teeth marks in his side. I had read a similar story however, never thought I would experience it first hand.

Had a customer hook a 14" cutthroat on the Blackfoot once. As he was bringing it in a very large pike took the trout and held on for a good ten minutes. We worked him into an eddy but couldn’t even begin to get him even half into the net (which will hold fish in the 18" to 22" range without difficulty). He finally let go after several attempts just to scoop him up onto the bank. We didn’t want to scoop him into the inflatable raft we were drifting in. The trout was trashed but, due to catch-and-release regs, we had to release it. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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This summer, I either caught or witnessed being caught the same fish 7 different times from the same pool, once each on 7 different fishing trips. The trout had a very unique circular hole in its head, looked like it had been pecked at by a heron. Every visit I made to that pool, either on my own, with a friend, or with a client, resulted in that same fish getting caught. Tim Lysyk timlysyk at telus dot net

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— Fly fishing is the most fun you can have … standing up.   Greg

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly? one that always amuses me, and provides fond memories, is a brookie that was taken on up high on the spine of grandfather mountain, up high on boone’s fork… a few years ago… i approached the curvaceous body with eager anticipation. every nerve on edge, every move forsaken, every breath…. well, bated. the body of my desire being that of waterworn, finely sanded granite, obviously the design of a female god…. hence the sexuality….. and obviously, the desire to fondle the trout that lay at the artistic granitic turn in the clear pristine waters beneath the ever-present, prevalent growth of rhododendron. a few here at roff have fished this forlorn yet gorgeous pool…. i have taken them there…. i digress… the cast was adequate. the tippet turned over to present the fly. it stuck….. adhered in a spider’s web strung between some low-riding rhodo branches….  the fly dangling about six inches above the surface of the crisp cool mountain water. shit. i’m flummoxed as to how to loosen the fly without spooking the fish i just know is residing below. i try a soft twitch of my rod, transmitting a soft and gentle energy via the line to the leader, through the hewn tippet knots, onward, ever so craftily to the tippet. the fly sveltely dances, as it precariously dangles from the web…. but does not dislodge. whoosh…. sweet baby jesus…. a take. the brookie has leapt from the depths like a submarine launched missile and taken the fly. once hooked, the darling was brought to hand rather easily, as he was shy of a foot by a few inches. i have never caught a trout like that again, but whenever i see a spider web spun close to the water, i try to recreate the –waldo

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is that what they call guiness out yer way? ;^) –waldo

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snip< i have never caught a trout like that again, but whenever i see a spider web spun close to the water, i try to recreate the

You recreated the scene nicely IMHO.  :-) Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly? one that always amuses me, and provides fond memories, is a brookie that was taken on up high on the spine of grandfather mountain, up high on boone’s fork… a few years ago… i approached the curvaceous body with eager anticipation. every nerve on edge, every move forsaken, every breath…. well, bated. the body of my desire being that of waterworn, finely sanded granite, obviously the design of a female god…. hence the sexuality….. and obviously, the desire to fondle the trout that lay at the artistic granitic turn in the clear pristine waters beneath the ever-present, prevalent growth of rhododendron. a few here at roff have fished this forlorn yet gorgeous pool…. i have taken them there…. i digress… the cast was adequate. the tippet turned over to present the fly. it stuck….. adhered in a spider’s web strung between some low-riding rhodo branches….  the fly dangling about six inches above the surface of the crisp cool mountain water. shit. i’m flummoxed as to how to loosen the fly without spooking the fish i just know is residing below. i try a soft twitch of my rod, transmitting a soft and gentle energy via the line to the leader, through the hewn tippet knots, onward, ever so craftily to the tippet. the fly sveltely dances, as it precariously dangles from the web…. but does not dislodge. whoosh…. sweet baby jesus…. a take. the brookie has leapt from the depths like a submarine launched missile and taken the fly. once hooked, the darling was brought to hand rather easily, as he was shy of a foot by a few inches. i have never caught a trout like that again, but whenever i see a spider web spun close to the water, i try to recreate the –waldo

This shouldn’t count, but I was fishing a sulfur nymph, and got caught on bottom.  When I checked the hook after I got it unstuck, there was a natural sulfur nymph nicely threaded on the hook — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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I also caught the same fish that previously broke off but it wasn’t a trout but a pike.  I was fishing for trout though.  I got my fly back  when I caught the pike again. Next best one is my son caught a fish (cutthroat)  that was attached to a bait fisherman’s bobber (without the bait fisherman) that was swimming around the lake.  He used his fly rod to snag the bobber and bring the fish in. Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – about a 15 inch pod Bow at Silver Creek He ate the exact same pattern I had broken off in his mouth about 5, no more than 10 minutes earlier … the fly was still there and a unique pattern, so I’m sure it was the same fish. I was very surprised that he was still feeding, let alone that he would take the same fly … he broke off after a decent fight, and I figured he was sulking somewhere.. Ditto, a small brown on the Onion just outside Sheboygan, WI.  Took a Pass Lake and broke me off under a bridge just as we started fishing. Coming back an hour and a half later, I got my fly back. Stranger still (though by no means all that rare….in some waters anyway) are the brookies that pounce from the sky.  DAMNED hard to get used to! Wolfgang

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Very detailed writing….ever consider writing for Penthouse?  :) The weirdest thing I’ve caught with a fly is,… well…, my brother. Double weird, considering he is a major league entaphobic.  "It kinda makes it worse when you keep slapping the damn thing like it is alive." Twice on the same lake I caught two bass on a bait with two treble hooks. And once, on the same lake, I caught a bass by it being "lipped" between the split ring of the lure and the lure’s diving lip. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly? one that always amuses me, and provides fond memories, is a brookie that was taken on up high on the spine of grandfather mountain, up high on boone’s fork… a few years ago… i approached the curvaceous body with eager anticipation. every nerve on edge, every move forsaken, every breath…. well, bated. the body of my desire being that of waterworn, finely sanded granite, obviously the design of a female god…. hence the sexuality….. and obviously, the desire to fondle the trout that lay at the artistic granitic turn in the clear pristine waters beneath the ever-present, prevalent growth of rhododendron. a few here at roff have fished this forlorn yet gorgeous pool…. i have taken them there…. i digress… the cast was adequate. the tippet turned over to present the fly. it stuck….. adhered in a spider’s web strung between some low-riding rhodo branches….  the fly dangling about six inches above the surface of the crisp cool mountain water. shit. i’m flummoxed as to how to loosen the fly without spooking the fish i just know is residing below. i try a soft twitch of my rod, transmitting a soft and gentle energy via the line to the leader, through the hewn tippet knots, onward, ever so craftily to the tippet. the fly sveltely dances, as it precariously dangles from the web…. but does not dislodge. whoosh…. sweet baby jesus…. a take. the brookie has leapt from the depths like a submarine launched missile and taken the fly. once hooked, the darling was brought to hand rather easily, as he was shy of a foot by a few inches. i have never caught a trout like that again, but whenever i see a spider web spun close to the water, i try to recreate the –waldo

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Almost caught…. I was fishing on the N.F. Clearwater below Kelly Forks, casting across a deep pool to a little riff, up comes a 6 inch rainbow. I started pulling the little guy toward me and it dove down about 10 feet away, all of the sudden this 6 inch rainbow was stripping line off my reel. I fought the fish for a few minutes and got it within sight. A bull trout had latched onto the side of the rainbow, I pulled the two fish up and tried to net them, as I went down with the net and the bull trout let go. I stood there with a puzzled look on my face explaining the story to my friend down the way. During out conversation the 6 inch trout was up at the surface swimming around, once again the bull trout came back and latched on. I fought the pair, this time almost netting the fish. Wish I had, the bull trout looked to be in the 25 inch range. I release the rainbow, he seemed to be okay despite the teeth marks in his side. I had read a similar story however, never thought I would experience it first hand. JRT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly? one that always amuses me, and provides fond memories, is a brookie that was taken on up high on the spine of grandfather mountain, up high on boone’s fork… a few years ago… i approached the curvaceous body with eager anticipation. every nerve on edge, every move forsaken, every breath…. well, bated. the body of my desire being that of waterworn, finely sanded granite, obviously the design of a female god…. hence the sexuality….. and obviously, the desire to fondle the trout that lay at the artistic granitic turn in the clear pristine waters beneath the ever-present, prevalent growth of rhododendron. a few here at roff have fished this forlorn yet gorgeous pool…. i have taken them there…. i digress… the cast was adequate. the tippet turned over to present the fly. it stuck….. adhered in a spider’s web strung between some low-riding rhodo branches….  the fly dangling about six inches above the surface of the crisp cool mountain water. shit. i’m flummoxed as to how to loosen the fly without spooking the fish i just know is residing below. i try a soft twitch of my rod, transmitting a soft and gentle energy via the line to the leader, through the hewn tippet knots, onward, ever so craftily to the tippet. the fly sveltely dances, as it precariously dangles from the web…. but does not dislodge. whoosh…. sweet baby jesus…. a take. the brookie has leapt from the depths like a submarine launched missile and taken the fly. once hooked, the darling was brought to hand rather easily, as he was shy of a foot by a few inches. i have never caught a trout like that again, but whenever i see a spider web spun close to the water, i try to recreate the –waldo

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recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly?

Walt, The weirdest trout I ever caught was a pike  =) To make short sentence, like the above, a bit longer story: I had noticed a feeding trout picking spent spinners on the neck of a riffle for about five minutes. This was in Savar Creek outside Umea in northern Sweden. After seing the trout rise for its fifth or sixth time I decided to give it a try. The trout looked as if it could be of some nicer size and I did everything I could to get it right. After a diagonal downstream cast with a reach mend I saw the fish rise and take my fly. I striked and felt a heavy weight at the end of my line. To my surprise the initial rush that so often comes when hooking trout was totally absent. I called out to my friend Fred that I had hooked a relly nice trout, but that it was acting a bit strange. Fred, who of course got interested, hurried over to watch the fight. I shouldn’t have called out to him……he makes me eat my words every now and then, and if I actually do hook a trout he usually makes remarks about a lb3 pike ( /Roger

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recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly? one that always amuses me, and provides fond memories, is a brookie that was taken on up high on the spine of grandfather mountain, up high on boone’s fork… a few years ago… i approached the curvaceous body with eager anticipation. every nerve on edge, every move forsaken, every breath…. well, bated. the body of my desire being that of waterworn, finely sanded granite, obviously the design of a female god…. hence the sexuality….. and obviously, the desire to fondle the trout that lay at the artistic granitic turn in the clear pristine waters beneath the ever-present, prevalent growth of rhododendron. a few here at roff have fished this forlorn yet gorgeous pool…. i have taken them there…. i digress… the cast was adequate. the tippet turned over to present the fly. it stuck….. adhered in a spider’s web strung between some low-riding rhodo branches….  the fly dangling about six inches above the surface of the crisp cool mountain water. shit. i’m flummoxed as to how to loosen the fly without spooking the fish i just know is residing below. i try a soft twitch of my rod, transmitting a soft and gentle energy via the line to the leader, through the hewn tippet knots, onward, ever so craftily to the tippet. the fly sveltely dances, as it precariously dangles from the web…. but does not dislodge. whoosh…. sweet baby jesus…. a take. the brookie has leapt from the depths like a submarine launched missile and taken the fly. once hooked, the darling was brought to hand rather easily, as he was shy of a foot by a few inches. i have never caught a trout like that again, but whenever i see a spider web spun close to the water, i try to recreate the –waldo

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recent threads…. [slightly disturbing scenic snipped] i digress… the cast was adequate. the tippet turned over to present the fly. it stuck….. adhered in a spider’s web strung between some low-riding rhodo branches….  the fly dangling about six inches above the surface of the crisp cool mountain water.

A nymph under a Royal Wulff, a backwater edged with grassy tussocks, the flys just beyond one in the water one over it, a fish rose to the Wulff missed, landed on the tippett with the nymph dropper, flipped the nymph over its back and caught the tippett in the bend. This noose tightened on the fish behind the pecs and in front of the dorsal. My first and probably last lassooed fish – don’t do droppers much now. Steve (Look ma! no hands!)

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about a 15 inch pod Bow at Silver Creek He ate the exact same pattern I had broken off in his mouth about 5, no more than 10 minutes earlier … the fly was still there and a unique pattern, so I’m sure it was the same fish. I was very surprised that he was still feeding, let alone that he would take the same fly … he broke off after a decent fight, and I figured he was sulking somewhere.. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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about a 15 inch pod Bow at Silver Creek He ate the exact same pattern I had broken off in his mouth about 5, no more than 10 minutes earlier … the fly was still there and a unique pattern, so I’m sure it was the same fish. I was very surprised that he was still feeding, let alone that he would take the same fly … he broke off after a decent fight, and I figured he was sulking somewhere..

Ditto, a small brown on the Onion just outside Sheboygan, WI.  Took a Pass Lake and broke me off under a bridge just as we started fishing. Coming back an hour and a half later, I got my fly back. Stranger still (though by no means all that rare….in some waters anyway) are the brookies that pounce from the sky.  DAMNED hard to get used to! Wolfgang

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anyway) are the brookies that pounce from the sky.  DAMNED hard to get used to! Wolfgang

dang …not a trout …but was a fly trying to shoot a small hair Bass bug under a bush tight to the bank I missed and the bug hung up in the bush … I fiddled and fiddled trying to get it loose.  It was "weedless" and I moved it from limb to limb.  It was a good foot out of the water …. when a Bass came out and grabbed it <g not a big Bass but it made me shout and whoop ( and I hate it when guys shout when they hookup, very annoying   —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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recent threads…. what is the strangest, perhaps the weirdest trout you have caught on the fly?

a few The Greediest – on Snowbird using the NC dry, dropper, I had a nice brookie on the dry and as I lift and reach for him, he wiggles off the dry, drops into the water only to be lifted back out by the dropper stuck firmly inside his jaw.  The greedy little bugger had taken the dropper on the way up to the dry. The Ugliest – A brown on Penns of about 14" whose lower jaw had been broken at the point early in its life and it had grown into an "X". The Best Jumper – A baby steelie of about 8" that I noticed jumping and taking mayflies on the wing.  I stood upstream and upwind of him, letting the dry bounce around in the wind – he leapt clean out of the water and took it. The Most Persistent – A Grand River brown of about 12" who chased, swirled and missed my mini-brown three times, covering the full width of the pool in his chase, only to be hooked on his fourth lunge. The Fastest – That JATO equipped steelie at Altmar. No sex in the pool though.   Damn southern guys get all the sexy pools.  :( Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly.

Well, not surly so much…. Wolfgang who misses ya sorely    :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. It’s a deal, Jeffie. I just bought me a Garmin eTrex Vista so’s I’ll be able to remember how to get back to all these beauty-filled streams Waldo’s taken me to over the last year. As for getting in shape, well I’m still a young-un and not old enough to know that fishing isn’t supposed to be a workout. You show me the trail and I’ll stay with ya. –Steve

well alrighty then… bring the digital camera too.   all too soon, as you’ll discover, with increasing age the mental pictures don’t last as long as they once did… let me know when you’d like to go… jeff

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…it was the best of times… looking forward to the next of times.  it hurts so good, gotta do it again soon… there’s another nc mountain paradise to visit.  it’s a short boat ride and a bit of a walk… but it’s sure to fill up your soul for a while. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. Well, not surly so much…. Wolfgang who misses ya sorely    :)

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…none of us knew when you were coming in or where you were staying. sorry we missed you. i was the last one out this afternoon. hope the rain let up for you…

How much rain did you get? Please lie and tell me it was the singular greatest fishing event of your entire life. That would sure help me sleep better at night. –Steve

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I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year.

Did you ever happen to catch "The Dancin’ Outlaw" on PBS? Seriously surreal piece documenting the life and strange times of one Jesco White, the self-proclaimed "Last of the True Mountain Dancers." Guaranteed to make you laugh exactly at the same time you’re cringing (and if you like that feeling, check out the short fiction of George Saunders). You can get a small taste of Jesco at http://www.pelsor.com/jesco_white.htm, though a Google search will give you plenty of options to sample. – Sid not even sure you miss WV, but thought a kick was in the offing

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How much rain did you get? Please lie and tell me it was the singular greatest fishing event of your entire life. That would sure help me sleep better at night. –Steve

…well, this one is for you zimbo… the weather was great (til yesterday – my birthday, of course) and the fishin was incredible – the catchin, well… i haven’t been doin this as long as most around here, but if catching brookies and rainbows in nearly every pool promotes your sleep, i’ll wake you next week. …wolfgang has captured the essence of the week in his post, sorta.  he missed the boat trip across fontana lake to wayno’s "memento", but i made sure his hiking socks made it. i think they gave me a blister… get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly. jeff

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get in shape zimbo.  i’ve still got a few places i’d like to prospect for ol’ mr. trout in graham and swain co… my current batch of hiking pals are dropping fast or becomin a mite surly.

It’s a deal, Jeffie. I just bought me a Garmin eTrex Vista so’s I’ll be able to remember how to get back to all these beauty-filled streams Waldo’s taken me to over the last year. As for getting in shape, well I’m still a young-un and not old enough to know that fishing isn’t supposed to be a workout. You show me the trail and I’ll stay with ya. –Steve

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Is that you George? Is that you Skunked?

Nice going Warren! Opie read this just before we went fishing on yet another stream no one would tell me the name of and was so depressed he jumped off the top of a 400 foot waterfall.  Nice pool at the bottom (I caught a beautiful 14 inch brown out of it a bit later) but he missed it by about 6 feet.  I am trying to console his mother while enjoying not only my own, but also Opie’s portion of the spaghetti she made for us. Wolfgang trying to save just a little room for dessert

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Trust me Opus.  What I don’t know about fly fishing is infinitely greater then what I know,

HAH! A fig for those who say you are incapable of telling the truth! and no, that wasn’t me Opus.  

And no, Georgie, it ain’t ME Opus either. I’m just a Ghost of Fly Fishing Past.   My name hangs on the winds of time.  

Your name has broken the wind of time. You know me, you just don’t understand the whispered words.

You know me.  You just cain’t figgur it out (the words are in English, unless I’m badly mistaken). Not Pete

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  Nice going Warren! Opie read this just before we went fishing on yet another stream no one would tell me the name of and was so depressed he jumped off the top of a 400 foot waterfall.  Nice pool at the bottom (I caught a beautiful 14 inch brown out of it a bit later) but he missed it by about 6 feet.  I am trying to console his mother while enjoying not only my own, but also Opie’s portion of the spaghetti she made for us. Wolfgang trying to save just a little room for dessert

Sounds like you are making due there Wolfie <g  Tell Opie he can catch fish tomorrow because I will say a small prayer to Norm, the god of fishing and luck, tonight asking him to watch over Opie. — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Who asked you anything guy? And this is Pete.

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 I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year. Fall was immensely beautiful, but the rest of my experience there left much to be desired. Willi

        god made west virginia long before he came up with north carolina.  obviously, practice makes perfect. your friend in the old north state wayno

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…none of us knew when you were coming in or where you were staying. sorry we missed you. i was the last one out this afternoon. hope the rain let up for you… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html john

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   don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html john

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  don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at http://www.atcampground.com/index.html

I just got back from there, not sure how many are staying into the weekend. Just head up towards the Snowbird back country area and you should find Opie and Wolfgang’s tent city encampment. Back down towards the paved road is IJ and Big Dales cabin (just across the bridge from the road and up to the left, 2nd or 3rd cabin). Before you get to the back country turnoff you will see a bed and breakfast sign on the left. Turn in there and keep left and you will find Jeff, Walt and Tom’s cabin. Wayno is in the luxurious San Ran Motel in Robbinsville. The weather was great the two days I was there, and fish were being caught (some wild, some native, some just passing through<g). — Charlie…

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Opie and Wolfgang have broken camp and just arrived back in Lenoir.  We will be fishing’s Upper Creek in the morn.  Tom has left, wayno and Walt will leave in the morn, but I think IJ, Big D, and Jeff will be stayin’ thru Sat. I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! Op

  don’t know where them boys are at exactly, but I’ve got a Tracker comin up from Georgia and goin to meet me at Popeye’s Restaraunt in Robbinsville and we’re goin to find them…. Probably won’t get there until Fri or Sat nite…….they me have all left by then….Fri Sat and Sun I’ll be at

http://www.atcampground.com/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from there, not sure how many are staying into the weekend. Just head up towards the Snowbird back country area and you should find Opie and Wolfgang’s tent city encampment. Back down towards the paved road is IJ and Big Dales cabin (just across the bridge from the road and up to the left, 2nd or 3rd cabin). Before you get to the back country turnoff you will see a bed and breakfast sign on the left. Turn in there and keep left and you will find Jeff, Walt and Tom’s cabin. Wayno is in the luxurious San Ran Motel in Robbinsville. The weather was great the two days I was there, and fish were being caught (some wild, some native, some just passing through<g). — Charlie…

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I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish!

It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Is that you George? Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with? john

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with?

Mostly yellow humpies and parachute adams were what I used, not real sure about the others. Yellow typically works well there. My fall back fly up there is an orange stimulator but I didn’t try one this trip. — Charlie…

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Is that you George?

Is that you Skunked?

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Well, looks like I’ll have some rain…..what were you fishin with?

        a chemist from kansas by way of hotlanta, mostly.  tent shaped body and white hackle.  :)         naw, really, stimulators in both orange and royal style met with success on the beautiful little wild rainbows over on hazel. wolfgang, jeffie, and waldo slayed em (literally) on my former secret honey hole.         wayno         and if you don’t think carolina is just as pretty as colorado, come drive the cherohala skyway in mid october.

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        wayno         and if you don’t think carolina is just as pretty as colorado, come drive the cherohala skyway in mid october.

People in Colorado drive to the mountains to see the changing Aspen. The scene is nice but it is a shadow of fall’s spendor back east. I lived in West Virginia where I taught school for one school year. Fall was immensely beautiful, but the rest of my experience there left much to be desired. Willi

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   a chemist from kansas by way of hotlanta, mostly.  tent shaped body and white hackle.  :)

Certainly you meant to type "chiseled" and accidently typed "tent shaped". <g — Charlie…

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Trust me Opus.  What I don’t know about fly fishing is infinitely greater then what I know, and no, that wasn’t me Opus.  I’m just a Ghost of Fly Fishing Past.  My name hangs on the winds of time.  You know me, you just don’t understand the whispered words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is that you George? Op I won’t bore anyone with a piss poor TR, as I was the only one there that didn’t catch a fish! It’s okay Opie!  I am here for you!  It seems that another difference between us is that my mentors know how to fish and help me catch fish! Perhaps you can borrow one of mine like Willi, Brian Nelson, RW,  etc. Or even George might be able to teach you something! <bseg — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Pat Gilmore ask: <<Who is in control of this news group? Finecast Murphy

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Who is in control of this news group?

Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

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Who is in control of this news group?

No, but they will be on the Simpsons Sunday night. — Charlie…

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Charles Darwin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

I would imagine that you took a little grief about announcing your pontoon boat sale on this newsgroup and that you’d like to discuss with the "master" why your ISP is giving you a hard time and what you possibly could have done wrong. Fair enough, but there is no "master". We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. FWIW, Pat, I didn’t fire off a complaint to your ISP because that was the first bit of SPAM I’d seen from your direction and you’d explicitly apologized for it in the body of your SPAM. I don’t doubt though, that other members of this forum did not share my opinion, and sent polite complaints to your ISP. Whatever you had planned to say to the "master" you can say here in open forum. Most of us are assholes, few of us even polite, but there you go, it’s Usenet and you’ll just have to take your chances. I personally don’t mind an OCCASIONAL mention of sales and closeouts from regular contributors to this forum, but if you don’t contribute here, your commercials are not likely to be welcome here. That’s just my opinion, of course, and of the 112 regular posters here my opinion is worth somewhat less than 1/112. So, you were saying … — Ken Fortenberry

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That would be Manos. You know, the "hands of fate"? " The master will see you now……" -Muskie

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ROFL.  Good one!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is in control of this news group? No, but they will be on the Simpsons Sunday night. — Charlie…

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… We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial.

I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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Who is in control of this news group? Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

Typical, one of the worst weeks in ROFF history and it’s all my fault. Peter (counting the days to Wolfie’s week)

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

You are. — "Our eyes and hands and feet will give us the same assistance in doing mischief as in doing good; but it would not therefore be better for the world, that all mankind were blind and lame. Arms are not to be laid aside by honest men, because carried by assassins and ruffians; they are to be used the rather for this very reason." -George Campbell

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

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Well, and someone doesn’t give it to anyone, ya know. Who knows, but then again, he’s out fishing with someone’s boat. Ask anyone! Noone will tell you what is in control. Herman, someone too. Who is in control of this news group? Finecast No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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_______  Did someone call? — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks For the Book of Gink: : )  Fly fishing is so much fun its something you should be able to do in bed.

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Who is in control of this news group?

That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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Lucky for you Ken, or I wuz gonna borrow one of John’s guns…… I do appreciate the remembrance tho, one does not work this hard for 67 yrs to lose ones’ old fart status to a Bud induced brain fart. <g Frank (massuese magnet) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were. Thanks for reminding me of the song… Much thanks to Al Y. for the amusing albums. T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is in control of this news group? That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were.

Your wish is my command (it’s "chainsaw", not that I have the CD or anything): Dare To Be Stupid    Put down that chainsaw and listen to me    It’s time for us to join in the fight    It time to let your babies grow up to be cowboys    It time to let the bed bugs bite    You better put all your eggs in one basket    You better count your chickens before they hatch    You better sell some wine before its time    You better find yourself an itch to scratch    You better squeeze all the charmin you can    When Mr. Whipple’s not around    Stick your head in the microwave and get yourself a tan    Talk with your mouth full    Bite the hand that feeds you    Bite off more than you can chew    What can you do?    Dare to be stupid    Take some wooden nickels    Look for Mr. Goodbar    Get your mojo working now    I’ll show you how    You can    Dare to be stupid    You can turn the other cheek    You can just give up the ship    You can eat a bunch of sushi and forget to leave a tip    Dare to be stupid    Come on and dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you       Lets go    It’s time to make a mountain out of a molehill    So can I have a volunteer    There’s no more time for crying over spilt milk    Now it’s time for crying in your beer    Settle down raise a family join the PTA    Buy some sensible shoes and a chevrolet    Then party til you’re broke and they drag you away    It’s okay    You can dare to be stupid    It’s like spitting on a fish    It’s like barking up a tree    It’s like they say you gotta buy one if you want    To get one free    Dare to be stupid    Yeah why don’t you dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you    Dare to be stupid    Burn your candle at both ends    Look a gift horse in the mouth    Mashed potatoes can be your friends    You can be a coffee achiever    You can sit around the house and Leave It To Beaver    The Future’s up to you    So what you gonna do    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    What did I say?    Dare to be stupid    Tell me what did I say?    Dare to be stupid    It’s alright    Dare to be stupid    We can be stupid all night    Dare to be stupid    Come on join the crowd    Dare to be stupid    Shout it out loud    Dare to be stupid    I can’t hear you    Dare to be stupid    Okay, I can hear you now    Dare to be stupid    Let’s go    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid Thanks for reminding me of the song…

Yeah, dammit, I’ve had that song stuck in my head ever since Mike put it in his sig. ,      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

This is gonna be fun!

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast This is gonna be fun!

Harry Mason www.Troutflies.com

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What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)?

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Jtfunai: <<What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)? None, although a 1 wt line might be easier to "break" than an 8 wt. I have never heard of anyone breaking their line on *anything*. The tippet is the first thing to break. Dave L.

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What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)?

There basically is no real relationship. The breaking strain of the fly-line core is the main criterion here, and this is far higher than is likely ever to be broken by a fish, assuming it is not damaged.  The weight of a fly-line is primarily determined by its coating, irrespective of the core diameter, which is basically a plastic full of glass bubbles in the case of a floater, and with lead or other powder in the case of a sinker.  The core of the line is invariably a synthetic such as Terylene or similar, and may vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, as does the coating.  The "breaking strain" of a fly-line is basically irrelevant, and is seldom given by the manufacturer.  I remember seeing a level floating  line some years ago where the B.S. was given, as 60 lbs, but have not seen any such data recently. TL MC

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Thanks Dave. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jtfunai: <<What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)? None, although a 1 wt line might be easier to "break" than an 8 wt. I have never heard of anyone breaking their line on *anything*. The tippet is the first thing to break. Dave L.

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Thanks Mike. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)? There basically is no real relationship. The breaking strain of the fly-line core is the main criterion here, and this is far higher than is likely ever to be broken by a fish, assuming it is not damaged.  The weight of a fly-line is primarily determined by its coating, irrespective of the core diameter, which is basically a plastic full of glass bubbles in the case of a floater, and with lead or other powder in the case of a sinker.  The core of the line is invariably a synthetic such as Terylene or similar, and may vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, as does the coating.  The "breaking strain" of a fly-line is basically irrelevant, and is seldom given by the manufacturer.  I remember seeing a level floating  line some years ago where the B.S. was given, as 60 lbs, but have not seen any such data recently. TL MC

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I agree with the other two posts with regards to weight of quarry and breaking strength of the line.  There are to many factors that would determine the breaking strength of the line while being fished.  Such as the rod and tippet being used.  The tippet will usually break before the rod and the rod before the line.  With the shock absorbing capabilities of the rod and the leader or tippet it is hard to imagine the line ever breaking on a fish unless it had been cut on something. I however just broke a Rio 9/10/11 Spey line on a snag in the Thompson River.  I was never able to see what it was snagged on but it must have been sharp.  Line weight really has no correlation with the weight of fish.  Although you would not want to use a small diameter line such as a one weight for Tarpon! Before you buy.

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I agree with the other two posts with regards to weight of quarry and breaking strength of the line.  There are to many factors that would determine the breaking strength of the line while being fished.  Such as the rod and tippet being used.  The tippet will usually break before the rod and the rod before the line.  With the shock absorbing capabilities of the rod and the leader or tippet it is hard to imagine the line ever breaking on a fish unless it had been cut on something. I however just broke a Rio 9/10/11 Spey line on a snag in the Thompson River.  I was never able to see what it was snagged on but it must have been sharp.  Line weight really has no correlation with the weight of fish.  Although you would not want to use a small diameter line such as a one weight for Tarpon! Before you buy.

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There is no relationship as far as I know. Traditional fly lines have a dacron core of only 20-35lb breaking strain (light lines with the thinner dacron) – of course this is plenty for normal fishing conditions. If the lines are old and cracked the dacron can deteriorate reducing the breaking strain. I know a couple of people who have broken the line when using 10kg tippet on tuna – one was a heavily used old Cortland, the other an Airflo (when they were at their worst). I broke a 3M wet cell IV once in Fiji after snagging it on the reef – it seemed like 80lb!! Some of the newest lines with braided monofilament may be stronger. Cheers John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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What is the relationship between flyline weight and weight carrying capacity (eg, lbs)?

Hi JF, I think that lines #4, 5, 6 and 7 are built up on a 20# braided dacron core. #8 and larger are built on a 30# braided dacron core. I guess the new #0, 1 and 2 lines are on something smaller in diameter than 20#? This is real evident when you are trying to pull 30# backing or cheap 20# backing up inside the core of a #6 line to make a needle nail knot.

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Hi I am off pretty soon for Spring break also, I live just outside of Spokane Wa. for a while I lived in Grangeville ID, Where is a good place to go around here? I moved here about a year and a half ago, but worked it mostly, so I didn’t get out much… I know the canyons at Hell’s gate, or Pittsburgh landing, near White bird ID, should be warming up just a touch, like 65-70, which to me is real warm.. at this point. Or go to Lewiston ID or the S.E. Or side of the Snake river.. I can’t decide… What’s going on now? I mean hatch wise… I also heard the Henry’s Fork was good also in the middle of to end of march.. Any body have any info? Thanks!  R.J. Baynum ICQ 29449252

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<<Hi I am off pretty soon for Spring break also, I live just outside of Spokane Wa. for a while I lived in Grangeville ID, Where is a good place to go around here? I moved here about a year and a half ago, but worked it mostly, so I didn’t get out much… I know the canyons at Hell’s gate, or Pittsburgh landing, near White bird ID, should be warming up just a touch, like 65-70, which to me is real warm.. at this point. Or go to Lewiston ID or the S.E. Or side of the Snake river.. I can’t decide… What’s going on now? I mean hatch wise… I also heard the Henry’s Fork was good also in the middle of to end of march.. Any body have any info? Thanks!  R.J. Baynum ICQ 29449252 Hey R.J.  We need to hook up and go flyfishing together.  I too live about 20 minutes South of Spokane and am always looking for new fishing buddies. The best bet for this time of year is the St. Joe by St. Maries, ID.  Call Propps Fly Shop or the Silver Bow for water conditions and hatch information. They can also direct you to what else is hot right now. There is also some tremendous lake fishing starting to happen in the Columbia Basin.  If  you want to get into some fish over the 20 inch mark the Lake Lenice or Lenore are the places to be. Email me and let’s plan a trip. Mike Wilson

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        Can anyone offer any suggestions of fly-in camping-fishing-hunting-etc. locations?  Looking for get-away weekend stuff for my son and I  to try.   NC, SC, VA areas most appealing, but any would be of interest. Gene

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Ocracoke NC and Cherry Springs state park PA are two of our favorites. – Rod Farlee

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Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail.

I’m sure thousands of dollars are being spent in his lab right now to prove conclusively that the only way to serve papers is with the left hand, never never the right, and that those who do serve papers with the right loose their targets in the vital first few seconds of the process.  People just don’t appreciate what an atheletic feat it is to serve papers.

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[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] [ Author was Tim Patterson ] Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs.

<<big snip Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail. — Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min.

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0] : [ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] : [ Author was Tim Patterson ] : : Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = : reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously : weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = : about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on : the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs. : <<big snip : Seeing the thread that started all this, it is rather clear that Mr. Gherke : has confused ‘libel’ with ’satire’ and ‘parody’. He might wish to consider : that his position as a ‘public figure’ here and as owner of the company : makes it _much_ more difficult to prove libel, especially given his past : posts, before further lining his attorney’s pockets to no avail. : — : Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios : ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 : / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! : Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min. While the original post was certainly scurrilous, Mr. G. may not wish to perform the necessary public demonstration to prove conclusively that it was libel Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (415)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971

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[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.poems,rec.outdoors.fly.fishing ] [ Author was Tim Patterson ] Oops! I just noticed that you were worried about The Jerhk’s = reputation with regard to his PRODUCT. Now, you obviously weren’t referring to his execrable verse, so you must be talking = about his fishing products, in which case, you posted this on the wrong group, so I’ve sent it to where it belongs. Of course, you still have to show that the poem itself was libellous and that Gehrke’s penis size in some way relates to the quality of his product. You’ll probably also have to prove that his penis is not below avergae size, but I think that would require a specialist to determine (preferably a brave volunteer). This is all asuming that you were refering to my little ode and not one of the many other flames that "Mr. G." seems to have called down upon himself on rec.arts.poems. He sure has a winning way with folk, does ol’ George!         Tim the ever helpful  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – = Your libalist poetry is something we don’t think we care to bring to Mr= =2E Gehrke’s attention for we are sure you are as close to a libelous, lega= l law suit as you can get . . . and I can state for all certainty, you do= not want to pursue this line of defamation on a man that makes his living producing wonderful products for the American People.  He doesn’= t do it to you and your products and it isn’t fair,  that you do such a low-down, unkind thing to this wonderful, warm, giving human being. That you think (for Mr. Gehrke) that he should not take offense only speaks ill of those standards that are below him and the staff here at this company. = I would cease and disist if I were you.  I would not dare show him this= insult to his integrity and coarse you have embarked upon.  It really serves no purpose.  You do not want to test this man in court.  I assur= e you of this sirs. = Again, I strongly advise that you stop this deflamation of character immediately and post a retraction for your SLANDEROUS remarks.  I canno= t stress this important point to you strong enough. This company will not= tolerate this public abuse on a world-wide format. =  li=B7bel (l=BA=93b=85l) Law. n. 1.a. A false publication in writing, p= rinting, or typewriting or in signs or pictures that maliciously damages a person’s reputation. b. The act or an instance of presenting such a statement to the public. 2. The written claims presented by a plaintiff= in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court. –li=B7bel= tr.v. li=B7beled or li=B7belled, li=B7bel=B7ing or li=B7bel=B7ling, li=B7= bels or li=B7bels. To communicate a false statement about in writing or by mean= s of signs or pictures. –li=93bel=B7er or li=93bel=B7ist n. = Sincerely, = Mr. W.H. / Executive Secretary & Mrs Gladys M. Gehrke with copies sent:= cc/Mr. H. Cross / Patent Attorney cc/ B. Schroeder/ Law Firm/Spokane Washington Federal Law Division

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I’m going to spend a week on the Chesapeake Bay, near Annapolis, in mid August and am wondering what recommendations you might have. I’ll be doing some fishing from shore but will spend a fair amount of time on a 40′ trawler that is better equipped to b the love boat than for any serious stalking and catching. Currently, I have a 5 wt. fly setup (which I plan to take), but will likely to get a 9 wt. saltwater rig for streamers and poppers before I go. I suspect I can’t troll with a 9 wt., except at the very slowest speeds, but what can I expect to catch with those two rods – if anything – or am I just wasting time and money?  And which flies will improve my chances? In advance, thanks.

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I’m going to spend a week on the Chesapeake Bay, near Annapolis, in mid August and am wondering what recommendations you might have. I’ll be doing some fishing from shore but will spend a fair amount of time on a 40′ trawler that is better equipped to be the love boat than for any serious stalking and catching. Currently, I have a 5 wt. fly setup (which I plan to take), but will likely to get a 9 wt. saltwater rig for streamers and poppers before I go. I suspect I can’t troll with a 9 wt., except at the very slowest speeds, but what can I expect to catch with those two rods – if anything – or am I just wasting time and money?  And which flies will improve my chances? In advance, thanks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???  Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now… …  Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom    Oh, I liked it!   I think you ought to take a tip from the fly fishermen. Match the hatch!   Talk to that lady and maybe get a picture or two of her dog, then go looking for a stuffed animal with a resemblance to the springer spaniel.

Or maybe he’s a bait fisherman and might have to go bait fishing first. I suppose he could always go find some poodle hackle and tie up a decent imitation. If you cant find a stuffed animal thats close enugh, start carving on a log, maybe you be done by the time the ice melts. I guess I have to enter a bunch of irealevent lines in order…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keywords: striped bass, Muskies So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???  Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now… …  Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom    Oh, I liked it!   I think you ought to take a tip from the fly fishermen. Match the hatch!   Talk to that lady and maybe get a picture or two of her dog, then go looking for a stuffed animal with a resemblance to the springer spaniel. If you cant find a stuffed animal thats close enugh, start carving on a log, maybe you be done by the time the ice melts.

I think the greatest muskie lure going (besides a crappie fisherman’s minnow) is a small radio contrlled yellow duckling that actually paddles with its feet.  Ever see the real thing disappear in a humongous eruption? WOW! 1106 Rayburn Ct.                   K9ALD     AFA3WG Mahomet, IL 61853                  Outdoor writer (Fishing) 217-586-4958                       Skamania Reign Supreme! Manager, Network systems, OIM, University of Illinois

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???  Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now… …  Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom

    Oh, I liked it!    I think you ought to take a tip from the fly fishermen.  Match the hatch!    Talk to that lady and maybe get a picture or two of her dog, then go looking for a stuffed animal with a resemblance to the springer spaniel. If you cant find a stuffed animal thats close enugh, start carving on a log, maybe you be done by the time the ice melts. I guess I have to enter a bunch of irealevent lines in order to beat the stupid breavity suppressor. Does anyone know how to get past it any other way? this is crazy. Well is this enough lines to do the tricK? I hope so.

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Great giant muskie story deleted… Thomas, Have you considered trolling live-bait rigs with St.Bernards hooked though the nose?  :)  :}  ;   :]   (General public; please notice the many smiley faces, put down those damn flame throwers).                    -Pat.

  Pat,   You wouldn’t believe what’s gone through my mind with this fish!!  I think  I’ve come up with the solution…..I call it a Yipper Harness!!  It’ll take most critters up to about 25-30 lbs. Tom

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I’m getting anxious to get the surf rod in action.  Up here in northeastern Massachusetts we have at least another 4 or 6 weeks to go before the stripers show up.  Is anyone down in NJ, NY, Connecticut getting any striped bass action yet?  I’m willing to drive a few hours to fish. Jon — Jonathan Rodin             FTP Software, Inc.            voice: (508) 659-6261                            North Andover, MA  01845

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I’m getting anxious to get the surf rod in action.  Up here in northeastern Massachusetts we have at least another 4 or 6 weeks to go before the stripers show up.  Is anyone down in NJ, NY, Connecticut getting any striped bass action yet?  I’m willing to drive a few hours to fish.

According to Riverview Bait & Tackle; Bass River, MA; schoolies are showing on the south shore of Cape Cod. They’re probably chasing herring (alewives). Now, when will the first blues arrive?! Bruce Smith

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| I’m getting anxious to get the surf rod in action.  Up here in northeastern | Massachusetts we have at least another 4 or 6 weeks to go before the | stripers show up.  Is anyone down in NJ, NY, Connecticut getting any | striped bass action yet?  I’m willing to drive a few hours to fish. | | According to Riverview Bait & Tackle; Bass River, MA; schoolies are showing | on the south shore of Cape Cod. They’re probably chasing herring (alewives). | Now, when will the first blues arrive?! | | Bruce Smith | They have not shown up in NC in any numbers yet, unfortunately you may have to wait a while.                                 -Pat. p.s.  someone up North there, tell me a good MUSKIE story.         (even better if it is mostly true :}   ).

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There are indeed stripers on the southside of Cape Cod, Buzzard’s Bay, Rhode Island and some Connecticut Rivers. I checked out a herring run yesterday and indeed, it was filled with fish: hence the bass are right behind them, up inside the estuaries and marshes, feeding at the mouth of the runs. No luck personally after four outings, but have seen fish taken at dawn on high, outgoing tides where the bays empty into the Sound. Bluefish? May 15 for southern Cape Cod. DCC — Forbes Magazine                                 dchurbuck:MCIMAIL

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  (Text Deleted)                            -Pat. p.s.  someone up North there, tell me a good MUSKIE story.        (even better if it is mostly true :}   ).

 So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh???   I moved to WI. in Jan. of ‘87.  That spring, the DNR were taking a population survey of various fish species in Lake Wissota, just on the northeast end of Chippewa Falls. They had been out shocking most of the day, and were gathering and tagging quite a bunch of Muskie and walleye.(Notice how the word "Muskie" is the only fish name that commands enough respect of me that I capitalize it)   Late in the afternoon of that spring day,  a huge Muskie, stunned by the field of the shocking machine floats to the surface.  The three DNR people in the shocking boat don’t believe what they see.  They hurriedly try to slip a six foot cradle net under the fish.  The fish is so long its head and tail are both extending beyond the ends of the net.  Before they could hoist this fish to boatside for measuring, it decides it doesn’t want to be in the net!!!! So….it leaves….before any measurements are taken.  The DNR people say it’s a new world record!!!  Right here in Lake Wissota….right here under my nose.   My Muskie fishing partner is a local law enforcement officer, and works in the County Court House in an office near the County DNR fish biologist. He gets the scoop on this fish….it’s true…..Moby Muskihoonge lives right here under my nose.   Now it’s summer of ‘91.  My Muskie fishing partner and I have been beatin’ the drink for 3 seasons, just trying to get a glimpse of ole Moby.  One day, the Sheriff’s Dept. gets a call from a hysterical lady saying something in the lake is trying to eat her 40 lb. springer spaniel. No lie…..she was throwing a stick in the lake for "fido" to go fetch….and something latches on to its hind leg and pulls it under.  The story has it, the dog came up and went down once more. The dog finally struggled to shore, and one of its rear legs is severed badly to the tune of 30-40 stitches at the local Vet.  Now…when my Muskie fishing partner told me this, I just about got torqued off…thinking he was playing with my emotions, but the following Sunday in church, I was approached by a congregation member who also happens to know I’m pretty interested in Muskie fishing and who also happens to be a Vet.  "Ya should’ve seen what I saw the other day ", he said.  Well, the blood is boiling.     Now it’s summer of ‘92.  I have a friend from work with me fishing Muskies on one of the bars in Lake Wissota.  He’s boated a 34" northern pike, and I’ve had two follows…mid to high 30" fish.  My normal fishing partner is at some school in Madison, so that’s why I have a different person along.  I’m throwing my favorite home-made bucktail, a 10 incher, black over orange with a #8 florescent orange willow leaf blade.  A long cast……and not 15 feet from right in front of me…there she is!!!  Moby Muskihoonge…..does the old porpoise trick… and when she goes back down, her tail is waving back and forth in the breeze. I estimate a 15 – 20" spread from point to point on her tail, and she’s  danged near half as long as my 17 ft. bass boat, for sure!!  Four or five lazy waves of the tail, and she’s gone,  leaving a boil in the water about 5 ft. in diameter.   I’m scrambling to get my bucktail back after the cast, and get the biggest bait in my box on my leader……a Super 10 magnum Suick.   Its too late.. a dozen casts of that bait yields nothing but sore arms!! My friend says he saw something out of the corner of his eye, and he saw the boil in the water, but thats all, he won’t confirm the sighting……dogmeat!!   Then I got to thinking,  that fish probably eats a 10 lb. sucker for lunch, and I’m teasing it with a 10 inch piece of wood.  Well…she’s still swimming, and my Muskie fishing partner believes as much of this story as I did his dog story, originally,  and I’m working on a jerkbait that resembles a small canoe. Hope ya liked it, Tom *  Thomas L. Cooley           *     Whatever I say is only my opinion, and     * *  The Muskie Maniac          *     most people at CRI would say it’s not      * *  Chippewa Falls, WI.        *     MUSKIES- Other fish are just BAIT!!        *

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|   (Text Deleted) | |                              -Pat. | p.s.  someone up North there, tell me a good MUSKIE story.   |      (even better if it is mostly true :}   ). | | | | |  So Pat, you want a Muskie story……eh??? Great giant muskie story deleted… Thomas, Have you considered trolling live-bait rigs with St.Bernards hooked though the nose?  :)  :}  ;   :]   (General public; please notice the many smiley faces, put down those damn flame throwers).                         -Pat.

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