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Took the little lady out of school today to see Harry Potter (you are only young once). Saw the first showing in town.  Wasn’t bad, a good kids movie. They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation) john

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Check out the scenery.. it was shot in New Zealand by a New Zealand director.. "Lord of the rings" fever has struck some parts LOL. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Took the little lady out of school today to see Harry Potter (you are only young once). Saw the first showing in town.  Wasn’t bad, a good kids movie. They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation) john

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Check out the scenery.. it was shot in New Zealand by a New Zealand director.. "Lord of the rings" fever has struck some parts LOL. Clark

Hell, you’ve picked up on a Canadian national sport – spotting the Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver street landmarks in "NY street scene" movies.  (X-files is/was shot in Vancouver, for example.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know

I have to admit I’m really looking forward to that one.  It appears pretty well done.  Rereading "Fellowship" right now  Gollum snatched his fish by hand you know, and ate ‘em raw…

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Gollum snatched his fish by hand you know, and ate ‘em raw…

Unethical!!!! George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….

Blesssss us and splasssh us, me precioussssessss…we can hardly wait. Counting the days till this release.  I’ve been waiting years for someone to do a worthy version. BTW, saw David Mamet’s new one "Heist" tonight.  Strongly recommend to all fans of his writing.  He gives Devito has a phone conversation that almost rivals the "fucking Ruthie…" speech from "American Buffalo". Zippy Who can’t imagine the size of the checking accounts of the Harry Potter owner’s after this weekend.

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Took the little lady out of school today to see Harry Potter (you are only young once). Saw the first showing in town.  Wasn’t bad, a good kids movie.

Saw it this afternoon and thoroughly enjoyed it.  Still like the books better though. They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation)

This one has me worried.  Hard to imagine anyone doing justice to the books. Wolfgang

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They did however show the trailers for Lord of the Rings….looks good. Real good….may have to dust off an old brownie recipe and pretend I’m in college again….read ‘em in college don’t you know….(yup, got me an eddycation) This one has me worried.  Hard to imagine anyone doing justice to the books. Wolfgang

It has to be better than the Bakshi rotoscoped abortion, or the cutesy Rankin and Bass animations. From the trailers I’ve seen and the production photos on the web site, it looks like they are doing a  great job.  Shooting in NZ was a great idea – the mountains really look like the Misty Mountains.  They are doing all three books – "The Two Towers" next year and "Return of the King" in 2003, so at least they’re going to follow the story sequence at the grossest level.  Obviously they have to do a lot of story compression to meet the movie time limitations, but the word from the fan sites is that they are making a good attempt at completeness.  They did omit Tom Bombadil though – I liked the idea of a hippy living in the woods of Middle Earth. I went to see Harry Potter last night.  The visualizations were excellent – it was eerie how well the film matched the picture in my head.  Hagrid was perfect.  The only complaint I have is the movie’s pacing.  It was very episodic – which in retrospect is very like the book.  That’s the big difference between the media I guess – chapterization works well in book format, but you expect a movie to flow better.  They did manage to fit in most of the content of the book into the 2.5 hours.  My youngest son refused to go because he didn’t want to mess up the pictures in his imagination (he’s still reading book 3). –Stan (looking forward to getting my Gandalf soda flask at Burger King)

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 I read it instead of studying for my first semester  freshman year finals.  Still managed to pass  everything ok, but it was all down hill from there.  I was dreading the movie: I didn’t want my images  of the story destroyed.

It’s interesting to hear how many people feel this way.  I just asked a question on a Tolkien newsgroup.  I can’t believe how many people are totally into the intricate details of that story and history, and how many people are upset that such a "holy" book is being put on film.

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They did omit Tom Bombadil though – I liked the idea of a hippy living in the woods of Middle Earth.

Willi Bombadil – Master of Whitheywindle trout!

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The best course of action is to first see the movie and THEN read the book. That way, you don’t have to work so hard to make up the imagery.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s interesting to hear how many people feel this way.  I just asked a question on a Tolkien newsgroup.  I can’t believe how many people are totally into the intricate details of that story and history, and how many people are upset that such a "holy" book is being put on film.  For me, it’s not that the book is somehow "holy" but that it  is a fantasy tale, I created pretty strong images of the fantasy  when I read the books, and I know that they will be erased  if I see the movie: I can’t make the images coexist.  I have  felt the same way about other books & movies based on them,  though I do feel stronger about this one.

It’s a common enough feeling.  And, of course, there is nothing holy about The Lord of the Rings.  However, Tolkien was blessed with a rare ability to create a believable (I was about to delete that word and replace it with "plausible" but have decide to let it stand) world and evoke very powerful images of what that world must look like.  Add to this the well known fact that a two hour long film can virtually never do justice to a book with which a reader lives for days or weeks, even under the best of circumstances, and it’s easy enough to see why many a fan would be wary.  And then too, many readers, like myself, were introduced to Tolkien at a relatively young age.  The images brought forth (and they are VERY powerful ones) have had time to seep deep into the consciousness.  Rereadings in later life will doubtless alter those images, but not radically.  More likely, they will simply reinforce them.  Not a thing to be tampered with lightly. Wolfgang who will go to see the movie but will NOT promise to like it.

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snip< I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Looks like a hanging curve ball, out over the plate…..   Batter up.

That post can’t be for real. I mean I know pinheads like that exist but telling folks to read their Bible on ROFF ? I suspect an rdean spoof. — Ken Fortenberry

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Funny thing I never take my kids out of school to subject them to a movie that is made to seem alright for kids. It involves sorcery and black magic. Do you think this is the kind of things kids should be watching. Oh it seems harmless as a movie but that is exactly the way they want it to be. Thats what draws kids in and seems interesting to them. It is apparent that you do not think much about where you will go after you leave this world. If I were you I would look into my Bible, If not for yourself do it for your children. I don’t mean to bust your chops so much but this is not the type of thing to take your kids to see. I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Since this is a Fly Fishing newsgroup anyway.

I personally wouldn’t take kids out of school to see any movie, but any action that pisses off the thumpers can’t be all bad.  Way to go John.  :-) Get a life "Maw".      - Ken

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I’d rather see a movie version of "Bored of the Rings", actually. I’ll stick with the books for the ‘real thing’. — Charlie…

One can hope.  Given the success of parody movies like "Scary Movie", if the first LOTR movie is successful, a "National Lampoon’s: Bored of the Rings" might just happen. I lost my copy of BOTR many years ago, and a year ago I located a used copy on the Internet so my sons would not be deprived.  I found a few good links which have festered in my favorites folder since then.   Here’s a good one – this guy thought that the ending looked rushed, and so wrote an additional chapter to round it out.  For those folks who don’t or can’t have a full copy of BOTR, this might give you a taste for the full book. http://junior.apk.net/~drushel/b_scour.html –Stan

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I lost my copy of BOTR many years ago, and a year ago I located a used copy on the Internet so my sons would not be deprived.  

Thanks for the link. I still have my original paperback but it’s pretty tattered. I found a decent copy in a used book store in San Rafael when I was in CA a few years ago (along with some of Gamov’s Mr. Tompkins books – it was a pretty good bookstore) and have passed it along to my sons as well. — Charlie…

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(along with some of Gamov’s Mr. Tompkins books – it was a pretty good

bookstore) And I learn something new every day.  I had never heard of these, so I googled Mr. Tompkins.  I suppose those books had just lost their utility by the 60s – there was a lot more popularization of math and physics by then and I grew up on Asimov and Martin Gardner.

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Funny thing I never take my kids out of school to subject them to a movie that is made to seem alright for kids. It involves sorcery and black magic. Do you think this is the kind of things kids should be watching. Oh it seems harmless as a movie but that is exactly the way they want it to be. Thats what draws kids in and seems interesting to them. It is apparent that you do not think much about where you will go after you leave this world. If I were you I would look into my Bible, If not for yourself do it for your children. I don’t mean to bust your chops so much but this is not the type of thing to take your kids to see. I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Since this is a Fly Fishing newsgroup anyway.

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snip< I was also wondering what this has to do with Fly Fishing. Since this is a Fly Fishing newsgroup anyway.

Looks like a hanging curve ball, out over the plate…..   Batter up. Joe F.

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And I learn something new every day.  I had never heard of these, so I googled Mr. Tompkins.  I suppose those books had just lost their utility by the 60s – there was a lot more popularization of math and physics by then and I grew up on Asimov and Martin Gardner.

I read them first, I think, in my early teens and re-encountered them in the late ’60s/earky ’70s in grad school. My research advisor had some and I thought it was pretty interesting to re-read them. — Charlie…

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(along with some of Gamov’s Mr. Tompkins books – it was a pretty good bookstore) And I learn something new every day.  I had never heard of these, so I googled Mr. Tompkins.  I suppose those books had just lost their utility by the 60s – there was a lot more popularization of math and physics by then and I grew up on Asimov and Martin Gardner.

If I’m not mistaken, George Gamow was the guy who coined the word "google" (10^100) and googleplex (10^google). Now it’s a verb.

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Funny thing I never take my kids out of school to subject them to a movie that is made to seem alright for kids. It involves sorcery and black magic. Do you think this is the kind of things kids should be watching. Oh it seems harmless as a movie but that is exactly the way they want it to be. Thats what draws kids in and seems interesting to them. It is apparent that you do not think much about where you will go after you leave this world. If I were you I would look into my Bible, If not for yourself do it for your children.

Right. The Bible is where you’ll find the really serious sorcery and black magic.

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Rereadings in later life will doubtless alter those images, but not radically.  More likely, they will simply reinforce them.  Not a thing to be tampered with lightly.

Looks like you’ve started a manic phase, Wolfgang.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I read it instead of studying for my first semester  freshman year finals.  Still managed to pass  everything ok, but it was all down hill from there.  I was dreading the movie: I didn’t want my images  of the story destroyed. It’s interesting to hear how many people feel this way.  I just asked a question on a Tolkien newsgroup.  I can’t believe how many people are totally into the intricate details of that story and history, and how many people are upset that such a "holy" book is being put on film.

People can get pretty obscessive about the Tolkien books. When I went to college back in the the Eocene I was into the books  in a big way. Went to a meeting of the "Tolkien Society" or some such name. There were some seriously disturbed individuals there. Some had adopted names and personas from the books and kept them while living in the outside world. You would see "Strider" stalking about campus in his cape and if you dared to call him his real name you would be viciously ignored. "Galadriel" would flounce around the library in her elvish garb. Actually, they fit in pretty well with Madison circa 1971. G.Cleveland

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We were in the dorm playing the Hobbitt and I was into watching the fire trails of the flaming bolts of lightning  produced by the big kitchen matches  that I, as Gandalf, sent coursing over the heads of the trolls and demons who were pounding at the shower curtain door of my house when I caught the towels on fire….what a trip. john

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I fished Hood Canal yesterday with my fatherinlaw. We arrived at the beach at about 10:00 and just after getting our rods set up, my fatherinlaw was trying to set up our drift with the tide when I noticed a couple of coho rolling on the surface. I immediately started casting an ‘experimental’ floating candle fish pattern and they were all over it, unfortunately the line fouled around the hook. I switched to a dry fly and again they were all over it. I caught about 10-12 coho and 6-7 sea-run cutthroat in about 4 hours of fishing. The best fish of the day was about a 3-4 lb coho that launched itself about 4-5 times, and the best cutthroat was a feisty one about 16". Most of the fish were caught of a dry fly, which is just an absolute rush when they take it. This was my fatherinlaw first time flyfishing in 21 years, he caught one 14" cutt and had several other strikes. He said he had a great time and he will do more flyfishing. Boy it feels good to get somebody interested in the sport. Darin

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Nice TR Darin.  Glad to hear you got some fishing time in.  Missed having you around for the clave this year. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fished Hood Canal yesterday with my fatherinlaw. We arrived at the beach at about 10:00 and just after getting our rods set up, my fatherinlaw was trying to set up our drift with the tide when I noticed a couple of coho rolling on the surface. I immediately started casting an ‘experimental’ floating candle fish pattern and they were all over it, unfortunately the line fouled around the hook. I switched to a dry fly and again they were all over it. I caught about 10-12 coho and 6-7 sea-run cutthroat in about 4 hours of fishing. The best fish of the day was about a 3-4 lb coho that launched itself about 4-5 times, and the best cutthroat was a feisty one about 16". Most of the fish were caught of a dry fly, which is just an absolute rush when they take it. This was my fatherinlaw first time flyfishing in 21 years, he caught one 14" cutt and had several other strikes. He said he had a great time and he will do more flyfishing. Boy it feels good to get somebody interested in the sport. Darin

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Darin: I lived in Lilliwaup for a few years, and fished the Hama Hama almost daily for sea run cutts and steelhead (fall and winter runs). Occasionally we’d putt out into the Canal proper when the salmon were running (well, ‘cept for the doggies – they came up river to us Where on the Canal did you put in? /daytripper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fished Hood Canal yesterday with my fatherinlaw. We arrived at the beach at about 10:00 and just after getting our rods set up, my fatherinlaw was trying to set up our drift with the tide when I noticed a couple of coho rolling on the surface. I immediately started casting an ‘experimental’ floating candle fish pattern and they were all over it, unfortunately the line fouled around the hook. I switched to a dry fly and again they were all over it. I caught about 10-12 coho and 6-7 sea-run cutthroat in about 4 hours of fishing. The best fish of the day was about a 3-4 lb coho that launched itself about 4-5 times, and the best cutthroat was a feisty one about 16". Most of the fish were caught of a dry fly, which is just an absolute rush when they take it. This was my fatherinlaw first time flyfishing in 21 years, he caught one 14" cutt and had several other strikes. He said he had a great time and he will do more flyfishing. Boy it feels good to get somebody interested in the sport. Darin

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When we went passed Point No Point there were boats everywhere. There were also about 3-4 off of Point Hannon (Hoods Head). Where we fished there were none. We had all the water and all the fish to ourselves.

How does Point No Point come by its name? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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When we went passed Point No Point there were boats everywhere. There were also about 3-4 off of Point Hannon (Hoods Head). Where we fished there were none. We had all the water and all the fish to ourselves. How does Point No Point come by its name?

LOL!…. it is one of the dumbest names for a point of land, aint it?  it’s a point, no wait, it’s not, i swear it’s a point, no wait, it’s not <G chris…. who just loves unimaginative names for places

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Darin: I lived in Lilliwaup for a few years, and fished the Hama Hama almost daily for sea run cutts and steelhead (fall and winter runs). Occasionally we’d putt out into the Canal proper when the salmon were running (well, ‘cept for the doggies – they came up river to us Where on the Canal did you put in? /daytripper

We actually put in in Port Townsend, some bright idea my fatherinlaw had <g, and motored down from there. We fished just a little south of the H.C. bridge. Darin

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Darin: I lived in Lilliwaup for a few years, and fished the Hama Hama almost daily for sea run cutts and steelhead (fall and winter runs). Occasionally we’d putt out into the Canal proper when the salmon were running (well, ‘cept for the doggies – they came up river to us Where on the Canal did you put in? /daytripper We actually put in in Port Townsend, some bright idea my fatherinlaw had <g, and motored down from there. We fished just a little south of the H.C. bridge.

Whoops! PT to the bridge and back is a bit of a haul for a one day outing You ever fish further south in the Canal? /daytripper

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Whoops! PT to the bridge and back is a bit of a haul for a one day outing

You’re not kidding! It was 1 1/2 hours each way. We could’ve had another 2 hours fishing if we’d gone to a closer ramp. You ever fish further south in the Canal?

I tried the zoo humpie fishery at Hoodsport one evening after work a couple of years ago. Lining up with 20-30 other guys looking for that 1 fish is not my idea of fun. I lasted about a 1/2 hour before I called it quits. Long drive from PT for a 1/2 hr fishing. Other than that, no, I haven’t fished further south, except for the Dose, Duck, and the Hamma rivers. Darin

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Hey Darin,   On the Kitsap County side of the bridge turn left and go north about 1 mile and there is Salisbury (sp) Point. I do believe it is a park but they have an excellent boat ramp.  In addition you may want to look at the Point no Point area to fish.  Lots of fish being caught from the beach and boats. I couldn’t entice any to my fly rod but I saw a few other flyfishers catch em.  Primarily humpies ( in the ocean phase no hump) and silvers. Dave —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whoops! PT to the bridge and back is a bit of a haul for a one day outing You’re not kidding! It was 1 1/2 hours each way. We could’ve had another 2 hours fishing if we’d gone to a closer ramp. You ever fish further south in the Canal? I tried the zoo humpie fishery at Hoodsport one evening after work a couple of years ago. Lining up with 20-30 other guys looking for that 1 fish is not my idea of fun. I lasted about a 1/2 hour before I called it quits. Long drive from PT for a 1/2 hr fishing. Other than that, no, I haven’t fished further south, except for the Dose, Duck, and the Hamma rivers. Darin

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Good to hear you’re out fishing. Missed your enthusiasm at the Clave. Willi

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Good to hear you’re out fishing. Missed your enthusiasm at the Clave. Willi

I missed being at the clave, especially after seeing that pig that RW caught. Must have been great to have seen it in person. Dairn

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Hey Darin,   On the Kitsap County side of the bridge turn left and go north about 1 mile and there is Salisbury (sp) Point. I do believe it is a park but they have an excellent boat ramp.  In addition you may want to look at the Point no Point area to fish.  Lots of fish being caught from the beach and boats. I couldn’t entice any to my fly rod but I saw a few other flyfishers catch em.  Primarily humpies ( in the ocean phase no hump) and silvers. Dave

Theres one on the Jeff. Co. side too. My fatherinlaw just wanted to be near a dock. Old timers….. what can I say? <G. When we went passed Point No Point there were boats everywhere. There were also about 3-4 off of Point Hannon (Hoods Head). Where we fished there were none. We had all the water and all the fish to ourselves. Darin

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

I have one of these.  I use it on a six weight.  Casts like hell -hinging, etc…  It will get a streamer or nymph down a little, though.  Effective to about six or eight feet.  In general, I would not suggest it.  You can do as well with a longer leader and a couple of split shot with a floating line. J

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

Frank, I have one of these and they work ok in a pinch if you hit one or two deep sections and then go back to more moderate depths but if you are going to be fishing deep for extended periods of time my advice would be to buy a sink tip.  I do carry the Orvis sink tip for emergency use but they are a pain to cast and don’t get you down as well as a real sink tip fly line would in my experience. Good Fishing, C. Segina

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

I haven’t seen Orvis’ up close but Cortland’s tend to be too heavy for my 4 wt.  I have a beat up old full sinking 9 wt line and the thin running portion of it is perfect for making mini sink tips.  The only drawback is that this requires a loop to loop connection.  I prefer nail-knotting a piece of thick leader material and then tying a perfection loop at the end since it lands on the water more softly than a fly-line looped end. Mu

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Frank, Splurge and go for the full line in a medium density.  Use it on a longer rod with a short (3 to 4 ft) leader.  The rod length is for mending and good control.  Don’t believe those who say any old rod and a long leader.  You need to mend and the fly needs to sink.  The longer the distance between the fly and the weight of the tip section, the higher the fly will ride.  You can use leader length to fine tune your drift depth. I made those mini sink tips from lead core years ago.  They’ll sink your fly, but you won’t like the casting unless you’re using 8 wt line+.  They cast like slinky weights on running line — chuck and duck. Mike If you buy a sink tip that has too much tip for your needs, you can just cut it down and reattach your leader butt.  

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Frank: I’ve used the Orvis lead head sections – I don’t think they offer them any more – that must be similar (though shorter) than the 5 ft sink -tip head that you are looking at. These things came in 12 inch and 24 inch sections, and could be looped in at the end of the regular fly line, and the leader looped on the other end.  I think they are quite useful in certain circumstances.  I keep them in my vest, and if I need to go deeper in a spot they work very well – but they are not a substitute for a true sink tip line, say for lake fishing. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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I have tried these and they will sink your line well but, having a sudden transition to denser line,they are far more difficult to cast than a true sink tip line (but also cheaper). If you have the money for a line and spool, go for the full line. The most effective place for your weight lies in the fly though. Go with a longer leader and a weighted fly for the best effect. Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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Reality Sucks I say she’s seeking guidance from an experienced fly fisher/computer scientist, and deserves your best efforts. Dave

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Reality Sucks I say she’s seeking guidance from an experienced fly fisher/computer scientist, and deserves your best efforts. Dave

Yep, that’s my take, too, although I think the help she needs in more in the flyfishing area than the computer area. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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There’s a difference. I believe rw. I don’t believe that 9 lb brookies exist. Well maybe in Labrador.

Funny thing you should mention that Mike.  Last Sunday’s Milwaukee Journal Sentinel had a short article on the new Wisconsin state record brook trout.  I don’t recall exactly what it weighed but I believe it was just over ten pounds.  It was caught out of Lake Michigan, I believe, by a guy who had been fishing the big water for several years.  It was his first legal brookie!!  By the way, the old record, set some time in the forties was over nine pounds and came out of the Prairie river up in the north central part of the state.

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Hey Wulff, I don’t get it.  I thought you moved to Idaho to get away from it all. You’re telling us that there is a stocked pond 15 minutes from your cabin?

  A lot of the high mountain lakes in Idaho and Montana, lakes that take four-five hour hikes to get to, in Idaho are chocked full of twelve inch stockers.  They dump the fish in by airplane. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Dear All, I’ve been fishing for quite some time, tho i’d never tried fly fishing.  Well, on Monday I turned 29, and a few friends got together and got me a started kit for fly-fishng.  I watched the video that came with the kit (hey – you have to start somewhere…) and have a few questions. 1. Backing – how much & why bother?  I can’t figure out what this stuff is for – I have a forward tapered line, 30 yrds long.  How much backing do I use? 2. What is the difference between the tippet and the leader? 3.  Can anyone suggest a good book or website for help on starting out.  I realize I am going to have to take lessons one way or another, but if I could get myself started, I really like to have a go.  I live about a five minute walk from a river, so I figure I try this out fairly easily.  I don’t expect to catch much, but this looks like a whole lot of fun. 4.  Can anyone suggest any good beginner rivers near Ottawa, Ontario and some flies to go with the river?   I wouldn’t mind learning how to catch trout or bass (the rod is 6/7 weight)… is the former possible near Ottawa? 5.  Any suggestions for a fly fishing store in Ottawa?  I use the LeBaron’s & the Cdn Tire for most of my fishing stuff, but I am not sure if they will be adequate for fly-fishing. thanks for any advice you can give…  I am really looking forward to trying this out! Alastair Mullin

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You will receive some very useful information here on many of these question and I will attempt to start: Dear All, I’ve been fishing for quite some time, tho i’d never tried fly fishing.  Well, on Monday I turned 29, and a few friends got together and got me a started kit for fly-fishng.  I watched the video that came with the kit (hey – you have to start somewhere…) and have a few questions. 1. Backing – how much & why bother?  I can’t figure out what this stuff is for – I have a forward tapered line, 30 yrds long.  How much backing do I use?

The backing has two purposes 1) add diameter to the spool(1:1 retrieve is preety slow) and to add length when you get into the big fish.  You should use enough backing so that with the backing and the fly line, you are with 1/8th to 1/4 of and inch of filling the spool. 2. What is the difference between the tippet and the leader? 3.  Can anyone suggest a good book or website for help on starting out.  I realize I am going to have to take lessons one way or another, but if I could get myself started, I really like to have a go.  I live about a five minute walk from a river, so I figure I try this out fairly easily.  I don’t expect to catch much, but this looks like a whole lot of fun.

Email me and I will send you a very long list of fly fishing sites.  One I frequent is http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ 4.  Can anyone suggest any good beginner rivers near Ottawa, Ontario and some flies to go with the river?   I wouldn’t mind learning how to catch trout or bass (the rod is 6/7 weight)… is the former possible near Ottawa?

The Ottawa river and Rideau rivers both hold bass and other warm water species and there are spots on the Ottawa that hold trout. 5.  Any suggestions for a fly fishing store in Ottawa?  I use the LeBaron’s & the Cdn Tire for most of my fishing stuff, but I am not sure if they will be adequate for fly-fishing.

fart .. oops .. extinguished gentleman that runs the place is very knowledgable and has course covering all aspect of fly fishing, from insect life cycles to tying flies. thanks for any advice you can give…  I am really looking forward to trying this out! Alastair Mullin

Chris Richer

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Choose one: 1.   Lying 2.   Stupid 3.   Gay 4.   Computer Scientist  <g

  5.    Married with two kids. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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 5.    Married with two kids.

Me too.   Wonder why that didn’t occur to me?   As Roseann Rosannadanna said, "never mind." Your story reminded me of a greeting card I once found.   On the front was a photo of an extraordinarily beautiful girl – perfect skin, perfect hair, perfect makeup, nice figure, etc.    On the inside it simply said, "You’re old enough to be her father.   Happy Birthday."   Nothing like an occasional reality check. Joe F.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, Whew ! And did I tell you about the time I caught a 9 lb brookie on a #26 parachute adams.

There’s a difference. I believe rw. I don’t believe that 9 lb brookies exist. Well maybe in Labrador. I would believe the fly. An unginked Parachute Adams is pretty durned miraculous, although I’ve never bought one smaller than #18 —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBN3vWqMkBcsCVVLK5AQEphAP+NRC/76qrfjaiOP7l/mNUTqEEjMVHMGnx sGTYeseyqkT2C0XEeqXtB63/2CCfWmgr9/Yj/FhMTzweH/yjWDctRZwjUDukPee9 x2ZsHfYFI3c4f6QFz0F5+j2LUIqmRrfi3+M3CXkXOkebayhONMCCqNi+rZttLlns Y1Qc50XQptg= =yx4a —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, B.S. | http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "Living with a dog is easy-like living with an idealist  is easy." -H.L. Mencken

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Ken Fortenberry: <<Whew ! And did I tell you about the time I caught a 9 lb brookie on a #26 parachute adams. Was that the one in Panama, Ken?  I think I remember it! Dave LaCourse

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When I got home today from Challis there was a message from her on my machine. She wants to go fishing. I’m old enough to be this girl’s father, so I’m not hitting on her,

        in which case, i say to you in the depth of seriousness, you need psychological help.  i have observed your posts for several months, and i am certain that the words we see above are a sham, pure drivel, meant to decieve the foolish amongst us.         go for it, man.  hell, if you saw jo lacourse, you would realize that *nothing* is impossible! wayno.

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[snipped]    go for it, man.  hell, if you saw jo lacourse, you would realize that *nothing* is impossible!

Boy, ain’t that the truth ;^) /daytripper (still amazed)

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While the Fish & Game guy was cleaning my fish this drop-dead gorgeous babe walks up to me. She’s wearing waders and has a big Malemute dog. She’s a dead ringer for Janine Turner, who played Maggie in the TV show Northern Exposure. She says, "Are you the computer scientist?" Jesus H. Christ, what’s going on here?!

I don’t know what’s going on; but if beautiful women are seeking out computer scientists, there may be hope for us engineers, too. I’m not hitting on her.

Choose one: 1.   Lying 2.   Stupid 3.   Gay 4.   Computer Scientist  <g Joe F. btw: notice how everyone ignored the fishing part of that story?

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Ken Fortenberry: <<Whew ! And did I tell you about the time I caught a 9 lb brookie on a #26 parachute adams. Was that the one in Panama, Ken?  I think I remember it!

Why yes, yes it was. I’m surprised you remember anything about that trip, if it wasn’t for those silly bottles I’d have never got you back into the jungle to witness my brookie extravaganza. — Ken Fortenberry

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When I got home today from Challis there was a message from her on my machine. She wants to go fishing. I’m old enough to be this girl’s father, so I’m not hitting on her,         in which case, i say to you in the depth of seriousness, you need psychological help.  i have observed your posts for several months, and i am certain that the words we see above are a sham, pure drivel, meant to decieve the foolish amongst us.

Well, Wayno, I’ll admit that I’m conflicted about it. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I pigged out on trout today. I’m so full I could hardly get myself to the computer. My dog pigged out on trout, too. Anyone want to make something of it. Seriously, these were stocker rainbows in a pond where they won’t survive the winter. If I don’t kill them Old Man Frost or the bait fishermen will. I can get my limit of 12" fish there any time I want, and it’s only 15 minutes from my cabin, along a beautiful dirt road where I regularly see elk and sandhill cranes. When I get blanked on real (i.e., wild) fish I go there. While I was landing a fish a hungry-looking osprey was circling my float tube. If that sucker can’t catch his own fish in this spot I have no sympathy for him. Life is good. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hey Wulff, I don’t get it.  I thought you moved to Idaho to get away from it all. You’re telling us that there is a stocked pond 15 minutes from your cabin? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, these were stocker rainbows in a pond where they won’t survive the winter. If I don’t kill them Old Man Frost or the bait fishermen will. I can get my limit of 12" fish there any time I want, and it’s only 15 minutes from my cabin, along a beautiful dirt road where I regularly see elk and sandhill cranes. When I get blanked on real (i.e., wild) fish I go there.

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Hey Wulff, I don’t get it.  I thought you moved to Idaho to get away from it all. You’re telling us that there is a stocked pond 15 minutes from your cabin?

More than one. The Sawtooth Hatchery is just a couple of miles down the road. It’s main purpose is to keep the steelhead and salmon going, but they also stock some lakes and the Main Fork of the Salmon heavily to keep the tourists happy. There’s plenty of fishing for wild trout here, but that’s nearly all C&R and I like to eat fish sometimes. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw, I experienced the stocking program at Stanlee Idaho while vacationing there. I had been fishing without much success when some ladies returned with several large trout that were obviously from a hatchery and started telling me it was easy to catch trout.  In fact if I would go to this small stream by the road I could practically catch them by hand.  The fishing was so easy they couldn’t understand why I didn’t have a lot of fish and I wouldn’t need the waders or any thing because I could just jump across the stream. Needless to say I didn’t try to tell any fishing stories that day. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Sawtooth Hatchery is just a couple of miles down the road. It’s main purpose is to keep the steelhead and salmon going, but they also stock some lakes and the Main Fork of the Salmon heavily to keep the tourists happy.

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rw, I experienced the stocking program at Stanlee Idaho while vacationing there. I had been fishing without much success when some ladies returned with several large trout that were obviously from a hatchery and started telling me it was easy to catch trout.  In fact if I would go to this small stream by the road I could practically catch them by hand.  The fishing was so easy they couldn’t understand why I didn’t have a lot of fish and I wouldn’t need the waders or any thing because I could just jump across the stream. Needless to say I didn’t try to tell any fishing stories that day.

It’s just amazing how heavily they stock some of these places. I had to go to Challis today, about 60 miles away, and on the way back I stopped at Squaw Creek Pond. This is about a 1/2 acre holding pond for young steelhead. It has literally thousands of fish in it. I must have caught 40 or 50 fish in an hour and a half, keeping six that were hooked so badly I thought they wouldn’t make it. This may not be the most aesthetic fishing experience in the world, but I like knowing I can catch my dinner whenever I feel like it, courtesy of Idaho Fish & Game. A couple of weeks ago I was fishing one of these stocked ponds — a real pretty one. As I was walking out of the water with my standard six fish an Idaho Fish & Game guy introduced himself. As I was fumbling around in my vest for my license he just asked me if he could clean my fish! He wanted the stomachs to find out what they were eating. While the Fish & Game guy was cleaning my fish this drop-dead gorgeous babe walks up to me. She’s wearing waders and has a big Malemute dog. She’s a dead ringer for Janine Turner, who played Maggie in the TV show Northern Exposure. She says, "Are you the computer scientist?" Jesus H. Christ, what’s going on here?! It turns out the proprietor of the local fly shop, whom I know well, told her I was up there. Thanks, Larry! So we chat for awhile, I look over her fly boxes, pretending to be expert (these fish will hit about anything), and then give her a fly that I know for sure is a super killer in this pond. My fish are finally cleaned (the guy took forever), so I collect the fish, give her my phone number, and split. When I got home today from Challis there was a message from her on my machine. She wants to go fishing. I’m old enough to be this girl’s father, so I’m not hitting on her, but I love being around beautiful women. I’m telling you guys, this place is sportsman friendly. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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<snip … this drop-dead gorgeous babe walks up to me. … … so I’m not hitting on her, but I love being around beautiful women. <rest of tall tale snipped

Whew ! And did I tell you about the time I caught a 9 lb brookie on a #26 parachute adams. — Ken Fortenberry

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<snip … this drop-dead gorgeous babe walks up to me. … … so I’m not hitting on her, but I love being around beautiful women. <rest of tall tale snipped Whew ! And did I tell you about the time I caught a 9 lb brookie on a #26 parachute adams.

This ain’t no fish tale, Ken. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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This ain’t no fish tale, Ken.

I believed every single word til I got to the "I’m not hittin’ on her" part. — Ken Fortenberry

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This ain’t no fish tale, Ken. I believed every single word til I got to the "I’m not hittin’ on her" part.

Yeah, that is a little tough to swallow. Maybe I’ll try a very delicate downstream approach, with a 14′ 7x leader. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hi – I’m looking for an inexpensive 3 wt rod for occasional use for panfish and trout small enough to not need my normal 5 wt. rod. Cabela’s has a Greenwood combo, with rod, reel and line for under $100. Granted, at that price I’m not expecting tremendous quality, but price is a limiting factor right now, and I’ve never heard much about Cabela’s rods. Anyone ever cast or have any experience with this rod? Get the Three Forks combo. It’s even cheaper, and it’s a fabulous value. —

I agree wholeheartedly!  I got this combo in July and I’m very pleased with it. Bill  (:=[ ]  open wide something bogus to avoid spam)

– Bill D.  (:=[ ]  open wide

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Years of being a gear slave has taught me that some very nice rods can hide in the strangest places.  A buddy got a drugstore rod for $50 that is actually a lot of fun.  Generally, though, you get what you pay for, one way or the other.  Warranties, for instance.  Spend $125 or so and go St Croix, Reddington Redd Start  or some others and get a lifetime replacement warranty.  I don’t know about Cabella’s but for a $50 rod it would be surprising.  Also: just because it is a 3-wt rod, made of Graphite XXII or whatever, doesn’t mean it was well-designed or casts worth a poop.  Good engineering really does tell. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi – I’m looking for an inexpensive 3 wt rod for occasional use for panfish and trout small enough to not need my normal 5 wt. rod. Cabela’s has a Greenwood combo, with rod, reel and line for under $100. Granted, at that price I’m not expecting tremendous quality, but price is a limiting factor right now, and I’ve never heard much about Cabela’s rods. Anyone ever cast or have any experience with this rod? TIA, Sam

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Years of being a gear slave has taught me that some very nice rods can hide in the strangest places.  A buddy got a drugstore rod for $50 that is actually a lot of fun.  Generally, though, you get what you pay for, one way or the other.  Warranties, for instance.  Spend $125 or so and go St Croix, Reddington Redd Start  or some others and get a lifetime replacement warranty.  I don’t know about Cabella’s but for a $50 rod it would be surprising.  Also: just because it is a 3-wt rod, made of Graphite XXII or whatever, doesn’t mean it was well-designed or casts worth a poop.  Good engineering really does tell. Hi – I’m looking for an inexpensive 3 wt rod for occasional use for panfish and trout small enough to not need my normal 5 wt. rod. Cabela’s has a Greenwood combo, with rod, reel and line for under $100. Granted, at that price I’m not expecting tremendous quality, but price is a limiting factor right now, and I’ve never heard much about Cabela’s rods. Anyone ever cast or have any experience with this rod? TIA, Sam

    I have a Cabelas 3 forks 3wt 3piece combo (rod,reel,line, and leader) costs on sale $50.00. the reel is a bit large being for a 5 to 7 wt. and the line supplied could be better. I’ve had it to NC for trout twice, use it a good bit for panfish and small bass here and it has never let me down. Believe me a big crappie or 14" large mouth on a three weight is a hoot. When it comes to someone who needs to watch the bucks but wants to get into fly fishing for panfish and smallish trout I always recommend this combo. The alternative is the loss of another fly fisherman. By the way I made a tube for it out of a window blind cardboard tube and is a constant compannion.                                                            John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

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Hi – I’m looking for an inexpensive 3 wt rod for occasional use for panfish and trout small enough to not need my normal 5 wt. rod. Cabela’s has a Greenwood combo, with rod, reel and line for under $100. Granted, at that price I’m not expecting tremendous quality, but price is a limiting factor right now, and I’ve never heard much about Cabela’s rods. Anyone ever cast or have any experience with this rod? TIA, Sam

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Hi – I’m looking for an inexpensive 3 wt rod for occasional use for panfish and trout small enough to not need my normal 5 wt. rod. Cabela’s has a Greenwood combo, with rod, reel and line for under $100. Granted, at that price I’m not expecting tremendous quality, but price is a limiting factor right now, and I’ve never heard much about Cabela’s rods. Anyone ever cast or have any experience with this rod?

Get the Three Forks combo. It’s even cheaper, and it’s a fabulous value. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hi, I’d agree.  My buddy has the 7′6" 3 forks combo and really likes the rod.  I think its around $50 for rod, reel, backing, line, and a leader.  He basically threw away the reel, line, backing, and leader (which are of pretty poor quality… but what do you expect?) and ended up with just a $50 rod, but really likes it. Good luck. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get the Three Forks combo. It’s even cheaper, and it’s a fabulous value. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hi – I’m looking for an inexpensive 3 wt rod for occasional use for panfish and trout small enough to not need my normal 5 wt. rod. Cabela’s has a Greenwood combo, with rod, reel and line for under $100. Granted, at that price I’m not expecting tremendous quality, but price is a limiting factor right now, and I’ve never heard much about Cabela’s rods. Anyone ever cast or have any experience with this rod? TIA, Sam

  I have a cabelas 3wt 6′6". Whole shebang (line reel rod) is now on designed for including some right nice sized rainbows (up to but not yet inclusive of 4lbs) 3 hand size (10" long) panfish and a couple of bass over 11".A real blast on these size fish. It’s the three forks combo model 763, order #tx-31-1504-763. I can tell you it is a great rod within it’s limits, the reel is a 567 so a bit large but is extremely light (graphite). I don’t think you can beat it for bang/buck buying.                                                     John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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Thanks to everyone for the replies. It sounds unanimous – Three Forks it is! And for even less money than I had intended to spend… Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi – I’m looking for an inexpensive 3 wt rod for occasional use for panfish and trout small enough to not need my normal 5 wt. rod. Cabela’s has a Greenwood combo, with rod, reel and line for under $100. Granted, at that price I’m not expecting tremendous quality, but price is a limiting factor right now, and I’ve never heard much about Cabela’s rods. Anyone ever cast or have any experience with this rod? TIA, Sam  I have a cabelas 3wt 6′6". Whole shebang (line reel rod) is now on designed for including some right nice sized rainbows (up to but not yet inclusive of 4lbs) 3 hand size (10" long) panfish and a couple of bass over 11".A real blast on these size fish. It’s the three forks combo model 763, order #tx-31-1504-763. I can tell you it is a great rod within it’s limits, the reel is a 567 so a bit large but is extremely light (graphite). I don’t think you can beat it for bang/buck buying.                                                    John Popp                                                  in Sanford Fl.

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

try "50 Hikes in Central Washington"  published by The Mountaineers. -p — Rural Health Research Center, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195.

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

Hey Dave — that’s a pretty desolate area.  Don’t know about hiking there, but for fishing, try Dry Falls Lake.  It is the epicenter of the massive flooding that we had in the area in the last couple of million years.  It is a geologic mecca.  This lake is very well protected and is not stocked — no motors at all, barbless hooks, and a one fish limit.  It is prime for canoes/kayaks/float tubes.  I’ve taken some large trout there. Do not take an inflatible raft or inflatible kayak there — the winds can get you big time.  I have an entire gut wrenching/leach infested arms/ lost gear story about that.

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

Dave, I spent 5 years at CWU in E-burg and enjoyed the solitude provided on the Tanum (ridge) and especially behind the airport on the Monashtash.  For fishing (and duck hunting)  I used to go across the Vantage bridge toward George and attend to the "potholes".  The Yakima river was always a great resource and fishing was often good (back in the 60’s and 70’s).   All in all, Ellensburg is a great jumping off point.  I have only good memories of the place.  Perhaps someone can provide trail info for you but I just bushwacked in the low brush forest.  Careful though if you do that.  It’s easy to get lost in this country. Bill BTW, the road up to Monashtash used to go through toward Wenachee but even in the 60’s it was a poor wagon road.  It may be one fantastic trail by now.  You should smell the aroma on a warm spring day!

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

Try the Greewater River off Hwy 410.  The end of the road trailhead offers a well-marked trail paralleling a 20′ – 30′ wide river ideal for fly-fishing.   Jeffrey Olson

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

Hi Dave, Please tell us your definition of "Central Washington".  Do you mean the goegraphic center of the state east of Wenatchee, or do you include the Central Cascades?  If you include the Central Cascades, I suggest you pick up a copy of "100 Hikes in the Alpine Lakes".  It is published by the Mountaineers and contains info on many great dayhikes and backpack trips in the area (the Cascades Mountains between I-90 and Hwy. 2). Also, if your range extends a little farther north, there is another volume, "100 Hikes in the Glacier Peak Region". Kerry

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Hey Dave — that’s a pretty desolate area.

Hey, Gary….there’s over 1 million people in eastern Washington.  Is that your definition of desolate??

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Could someone suggest places to fish and hike in the vicinity of Raton, CO?  What are the temperature ranges in early June?  Any recommendations for flies?  Thanks in advance.                                       Sincerely,                                       Kin Chan

Trinidad State Park and Reservoir is right in that area. I have never been there, but reports indicate that there is fishing for Rainbow, Browns, and warmwater fish. They also have a couple of hiking trails. It’s three miles west of Trinidad on Colorado Highway 12. Call 719-846-6951 for information. The nearby San Isabel National Forest has campgrounds, hiking trails and historic mining towns.Call the Rocky Mountain Regional office at 303-275-5350 for information. There is also a Purgatoire River State Recreation Area there, but I couldn’t find much information on it. Try the Colorado Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation, State Parks department at 303-866-3437. A little Northwest is Monument Lake, known more for its coldwater fish than the warm ones. For general information, contact the Colorado Division of Wildlife Southwest Regional office in Montrose at 970-249-3431. You can also call their fishing information line at 303-291-7534. If you’re willing to drive a little, there is a place a couple of hours away that is like flyfishing heaven. The San Juan River, below Navajo dam, just across the border in New Mexico. Great fishing, great scenery. Check out <http://www.creativelinks.com/recreat/Duranglers.htm for up to date fishing info. It’s worth the trip. Temperature ranges for all these places can vary from 90 degrees to 40 degrees, depending on what weather front is moving in at the time. Usually, in early June, you will see daytime temps in the 70’s and 80’s, but a thunderstorm is always a possibility and can drop the temp to 50 in a matter of minutes. Nice thing is, they normally pass over quickly and the sun comes out again. Hope you have a great time. — | Michael P. Thompson – Liberty Communications | |            * Spreading the Word *            |

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Could someone suggest places to fish and hike in the vecinity of Raton, CO?  What are the temperature ranges in early June?  Any recommendations for flies?  Thanks in advance.                                         Sincerely,                                         Kin Chan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I have just gone through a bunch of older fly rods and decided that I’d like to try them again. Unfortunately, they do not have any markings on them as to line weight. The rods are fiber glass and thus old enough not to have the AFTMA or older ABCDEFGH marking, so it probably will have to be trial and error before I get lines to work properly. Does anyone have suggestions as to how I can get the correct line weights without having to buy a whole bunch of lines? I remember using the rods 25 years ago and enjoying them, so I don’t just want to discard them for my current tackle. There is a 7′, 8′, and an 8 1/2′. The little one seems to overload with a 7weight and the longer rods appear not to load properly with the 7wt.        Frank —

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i’m headed up to the butt valley area (feather river drainage) this weekend.  does anyone know what’s hot and what’s not up there? know any good fly shops? i know… i hate this type of messages too; but i’m just curious if anyone’s been fishing up there on flies lately. jeff greenough

Jeff   Call Powell’s in Chico, they should have some info — Good Luck !!   Harry

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i’m headed up to the butt valley area (feather river drainage) this weekend.  does anyone know what’s hot and what’s not up there? know any good fly shops? i know… i hate this type of messages too; but i’m just curious if anyone’s been fishing up there on flies lately. jeff greenough

Jeff, Check in at the Sportsman’s Den in Quincy.  Allan Bruzza’s the owner and will point you in the right direction.   Ross

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i’m headed up to the butt valley area (feather river drainage) this weekend.  does anyone know what’s hot and what’s not up there? know any good fly shops? i know… i hate this type of messages too; but i’m just curious if anyone’s been fishing up there on flies lately. jeff greenough

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

  Actually, those fish you were seeing were probably smallies, cause I don’t think the Huron is clear or cool enough to sustain trout.

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

Actually there is good brook trout FFishing within an hour of Detroit.   Try the Huron River.  There are several Metroparks along the river that provide access.  I haven’t fished it myself (because I didn’t have my gear with me at the time), but I saw several other FFisherpersons and I saw the 10"-16" fish.  The river is wadeable.  Try either the Hudson Mills Metropark or Dexter Huron Metropark.  On a AAA map of "Detroit and Southeast MI" you will find them at roughly coordinates 8K and 8L respectively (just west of Ann Arbor).  Good Luck.

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You are quite right Jay.  Those were smallmouth bass and the water is too warm to support trout.  I checked with the DNR and learned that the 5 mile stretch of the Huron River below Dexter is catch and release.  This has helped to improve the smallmouth population.  According to the DNR, they shock the river each spring for reasearch.  They have found smallies up to 21 inches along with rock bass, creek chubs and hog suckers.  In addition, I learned that they stock Proud Lake (within an hour of Detroit) with rainbows and browns.

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: Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly : fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No : more. : As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of : Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which : are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I : think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. There are scores of quality fly fishing areas within an hour’s drive…unless you’re the sort who thinks ‘quality’ necessarily implies ‘trout’ I know of a number of great bluegill spots within 30 minutes of home, and as one fisherman I met put it, bluegills are ‘gram for gram, the fightingest fish there are!" And there are plenty of bass, pike, carp and many other species that are great fun on a fly, all close enough for after work fishing. Matter of fact, tonight a friend (who belongs to a very nice trout club with a private stream) and I are off to one of our favorite ponds to match wits with the wiley bluegill- and it’s only 20 minutes from home. –mike

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No more. — Dasu Baregala 123 E 8th St Moscow ID 83843-3009 (208) 883 – 9538

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Moving to Detroit in a Week or so. Can you recommend me some good fly fishing in the area. Prefer areas that are around 1 to 2 hrs drive. No

more. As far as I know there are no quality fly fihing areas within 1-2 hrs of Detroit. 3 hours will take you to the Au Sable and Manistee rivers which are quality fisheries. There is a very good book on fishing in Michigan. I think the author is Linnsman. I will get more specific info to you. Steve Rosenblum, Ann Arbor Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, Michigan

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