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As for imparting a "taste," they can make a fly taste bitter, but after the numbness sets in, you really don’t notice it that much.

                  to the max. your friend in the old north state wayno

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    I use Rain-X brand windshield treatment. It seems to be pretty much the same stuff as WaterShed, but for the same price as WaterShed you get about ten times more.

I got some Rain-x to try on some flies, on your suggestion. I haven’t had the chance to try it on any flies yet, but it worked wonders on the old pitted windshield on my van. Thanks Willi

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<< I’m wondering if anybody waterproof’s their dry flies, by which I mean some sort of post-tying, pre-fishing treatment << Does anyone have any experience with this? Do you think it leaves a "taste" on the fly? Any products to recommend or experiences to share? I use Water Shed on dry flys, when I have time to let it dry.  It seems to me to help, noticeably. I doubt that trout have time (generally) to taste a coating on a dry fly even if it is still wet, unless it somehow leaves a significant slick around the fly. Glenn GKT

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I’m wondering if anybody waterproof’s their dry flies, by which I mean some sort of post-tying, pre-fishing treatment. My local fly shop was trying to sell me something (the guy is _always_ on to some new product). I’ve also seen it suggested that spraying dries with a coat of Scotchguard (sp?) helps. Does anyone have any experience with this? Do you think it leaves a "taste" on the fly? Any products to recommend or experiences to share?

I use Hydrostop, although I’ll probably try Rain-X soon, thanks to Charlie W’s tip. These treatments have worked well for me. About the only thing that seems to defeat them is fish slime, and a few shakes in a powder/crystal floatant solves that problem very easily. As for imparting a "taste," they can make a fly taste bitter, but after the numbness sets in, you really don’t notice it that much. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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So has any one else used Rain-x with success Don I haven’t had the chance to try it on any flies yet, but it worked wonders on the old pitted windshield on my van. Be sure to use that stuff outside the house. Big Dale

Haven’t used that, but bought a spray can of Thompson’s Water Seal and it works great.  I have used it on my old canvas tent years ago and it worked good on that too.

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I use a goop called water shed…I think thats whats called.  Anyway this stuff is  permanant and will not come off.  The only drawback is that it needs at least 24 hours to cure…give it shot.  i think I paid around 3 or 4 dollars for it Go Oregon Ducks…The  Big Green Scoring Machine

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I use a goop called water shed…I think thats whats called.  Anyway this stuff is  permanant and will not come off.  The only drawback is that it needs at least 24 hours to cure…give it shot.  i think I paid around 3 or 4 dollars for it Go Oregon Ducks…The  Big Green Scoring Machine

So far it hasn’t impressed me much. I still have to grease my flies Flyfish

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    Rain-X comes in a squirt bottle. When I’ve finished tying a whole bunch of dries I place them in a small glass jar and spray them with Rain-X, then I shake them up real well to get them all saturated. I then dump them on a sheet of paper and let them dry for a day before putting them in fly

boxes. I got some Rain-X at the store last weekend. I’ll probably just refill my Hydrostop jar with it and soak ‘em that way. For drying the saturated flies, I hang them from a sort of clothesline I made just for that purpose. Lets the liquid sink into the flies instead of wicking away into the paper. Letting them dry for a full day is important, at least with Hydrostop. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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My dad used to make a concoction to waterproof his flies out of kerosene and parafin wax.  He would shave the wax and let it melt and then add the kerosene to the solution and then soak the flies in the mix.  Not sure the proportions nor how he melted the wax and then added the kerosene. He tried to get me to heat up the kerosene with the wax on the stove at the same time… but then I was never his favortie! <g

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So has any one else used Rain-x with success Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – haven’t had the chance to try it on any flies yet, but it worked wonders on the old pitted windshield on my van. Be sure to use that stuff outside the house. Big Dale

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I use Rain-X brand windshield treatment. It seems to be pretty much the same stuff as WaterShed, but for the same price as WaterShed you get about ten times more. I recently paid more than $6 for an ounce of Hydrostop while the Rain-X was sitting in my garage the whole time (ignorance is _not_ bliss)!  Do you find that Rain-X is best applied in the same manner as Hydrostop or Watershed, or do you use some other method?  Thanks for any input.

    Rain-X comes in a squirt bottle. When I’ve finished tying a whole bunch of dries I place them in a small glass jar and spray them with Rain-X, then I shake them up real well to get them all saturated. I then dump them on a sheet of paper and let them dry for a day before putting them in fly boxes.

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I got some Rain-x to try on some flies, on your suggestion. I haven’t had the chance to try it on any flies yet, but it worked wonders on the old pitted windshield on my van. Thanks Willi

I used that stuff on my truck when it was new.  Put a base sticker on the windshield.  Base sticker couldn’t handle the Rain-X.  Peeled off somewhere around Cherry Run. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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haven’t had the chance to try it on any flies yet, but it worked wonders on the old pitted windshield on my van.

Be sure to use that stuff outside the house. Big Dale

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I believe that 3M took Scotchguard off the market because it causes cancer. I keep hearing that, but they still advertise it anyway: http://cms.3m.com/cms/US/en/2-78/icFurFS/view.jhtml

I think it has been reformulated, according to cans I’ve seen lately. TC, R

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Weird. I’m sure I heard that they withdrew it. It must have been at least a year ago. I recall that they actually got publicity because they did it on their own initiative, and weren’t forced to by the government, which I guess was unusual. Maybe that’s just an obsolete web page that never got trashed.

Could be just an obsolete reference, or maybe they reformulated it? They did withdraw it in 2000: http://myphlip1.pearsoncmg.com/cw/mpviewce.cfm?vceid=1856&vbcid=4150 — Charlie…

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I believe that 3M took Scotchguard off the market because it causes cancer. I keep hearing that, but they still advertise it anyway: http://cms.3m.com/cms/US/en/2-78/icFurFS/view.jhtml Weird. I’m sure I heard that they withdrew it. It must have been at least a year ago. I recall that they actually got publicity because they did it on their own initiative, and weren’t forced to by the government, which I guess was unusual. Maybe that’s just an obsolete web page that never got trashed.

They have apparently created a *new* formula for the product under the same name.   http://products.3m.com/usenglish/home_leisure/home_leisure.jhtml? powurl=Z2GT0H3KWKbeGSHCV1ZFXKgeGST1T4S9TCgvV2G53V0FBRgl

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Hello, I’m wondering if anybody waterproof’s their dry flies, by which I mean some sort of post-tying, pre-fishing treatment. My local fly shop was trying to sell me something (the guy is _always_ on to some new product). I’ve also seen it suggested that spraying dries with a coat of Scotchguard (sp?) helps. Does anyone have any experience with this? Do you think it leaves a "taste" on the fly? Any products to recommend or experiences to share?

    I use Rain-X brand windshield treatment. It seems to be pretty much the same stuff as WaterShed, but for the same price as WaterShed you get about ten times more.

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I use shoe-waterproofing silicone liquid.  "Cavalier Ever-Dri" at the moment, but I suspect all brands are the same. Rather than dip the flies in it, I use a cheap "artrist’s brush"  to daub it on the fly.  That not only saves the stuff, but makes it possible to paint the flotating parts of an emerger but not the sinking parts. When I posted this some months ago, someone else said it doesn’t work very well, but it seems OK to me. vince

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Hello, I’m wondering if anybody waterproof’s their dry flies, by which I mean some sort of post-tying, pre-fishing treatment. My local fly shop was trying to sell me something (the guy is _always_ on to some new product). I’ve also seen it suggested that spraying dries with a coat of Scotchguard (sp?) helps. Does anyone have any experience with this? Do you think it leaves a "taste" on the fly? Any products to recommend or experiences to share? thanks, TyKo

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I’ve also seen it suggested that spraying dries with a coat of Scotchguard (sp?) helps.

I believe that 3M took Scotchguard off the market because it causes cancer. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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… I’m wondering if anybody waterproof’s their dry flies, …

I rub in a drop or two of Water Shed when I take my dry flies out of the vise. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hello, I’m wondering if anybody waterproof’s their dry flies, by which I mean some sort of post-tying, pre-fishing treatment. My local fly shop was trying to sell me something (the guy is _always_ on to some new product). I’ve also seen it suggested that spraying dries with a coat of Scotchguard (sp?) helps. Does anyone have any experience with this? Do you think it leaves a "taste" on the fly? Any products to recommend or experiences to share?

I use a product called "Water Shed."  It’s billed as a "Pre Fishing Treatmetnt for Flies, Tying Materials, Leaders and Lines."  Works pretty good IMO. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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I believe that 3M took Scotchguard off the market because it causes cancer. I keep hearing that, but they still advertise it anyway: http://cms.3m.com/cms/US/en/2-78/icFurFS/view.jhtml

Weird. I’m sure I heard that they withdrew it. It must have been at least a year ago. I recall that they actually got publicity because they did it on their own initiative, and weren’t forced to by the government, which I guess was unusual. Maybe that’s just an obsolete web page that never got trashed. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I believe that 3M took Scotchguard off the market because it causes cancer.

I keep hearing that, but they still advertise it anyway: http://cms.3m.com/cms/US/en/2-78/icFurFS/view.jhtml — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

Regards,Flypaint – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’m in for that! john What’s the math?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering. Regards,Flypaint

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Sounds interesting.  I’d watch.  Count me in. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior?

Well, that was an interesting post whether I go or not.  But it the $10 just to see the video, or to *buy* the video?

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Off hand Jef, I’d say we are talking about a man bringing down his presentation. Not really a money making proposition for him, but something that must be done by the plebes. I reckon we could throw in a good feed, with all of the trailers he is sure to find luxurious accommodations, and such recreational activity as might suit the situation……

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Well, that was an interesting post whether I go or not.  But it the $10 just to see the video, or to *buy* the video?

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i’ll be there making shadow animals on the big screen       Handyman           Mike

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Mike writes: i’ll be there making shadow animals on the big screen      Handyman

and I’ll pay money to see that, as well!                          Tom

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John notes:

why impose restrictions on this guy which we don’t ask of the rest of the crowd?                              Tom

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I wish I could make it to the Clave to see it. Could you talk to this guy about selling copies for those interested in seeing it that can’t attend the clave? Tim Apple

Tim, I do not believe that OZ sells videos, he gives presentations using footage that he has filmed. Dave

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Well, that was an interesting post whether I go or not.  But it the $10 just to see the video, or to *buy* the video?

Jeff, There is NO video for sale, I would have purchased both if available! The $10 per-person cost of attending this presentation is a "guess-timate" that I am using for this survey. The actual per-person cost will be determined by taking Ozzie’s invoice and dividing that by the number of attendees. you guys will enjoy this! Dave

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I’d like to see that. vince norris

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The $10 per-person cost of attending this presentation is a "guess-timate" that I am using for this survey. The actual per-person cost will be determined by taking Ozzie’s invoice and dividing that by the number of attendees.

Dave, I’m still planning on attending along with Jim Lafley.  We would be very interested in this if you can pull it off. –Stan

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Well, sounds to me like you had better get a figure from what’s his name and start taking the fair share from those who claim they’ll be there. john you’ll need a new thread….

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I’m in for that! john What’s the math?

John, awaiting an email response back… if no email by Jan 3rd 2002 I will call him. Dave

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Dave, I’m still planning on attending along with Jim Lafley.  We would be very interested in this if you can pull it off. –Stan

Stan, the concept was received favorably by the gentleman that gives the presentation… awaiting response as to availability and cost.  I am hoping that he brings his underwater photography equipment.  Sure would be interesting to see what a Penns Creek Diving Club roffian looks like underwater.  :-) Dave

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Well, sounds to me like you had better get a figure from what’s his name and start taking the fair share from those who claim they’ll be there. john you’ll need a new thread….

John, when this gets rolling I will be counting on you to give me a hand.  For whatever reasons lately, access to this NG has been unreliable through my ISP.  We will need to determine a specific date and time (your job), and; location (my job) for the presentation. Thank you in advance for your assistance.  :-) Dave

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me, too. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …ditto…  of course, depends when and where the show is held?  they serve a nice yeungling draft and plentiful evening buffet at the sportsman’s club on lower penn’s creek – but i don’t know if they have a room for it… jeff This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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And me.   Dave

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…ditto…  of course, depends when and where the show is held?  they serve a nice yeungling draft and plentiful evening buffet at the sportsman’s club on lower penn’s creek – but i don’t know if they have a room for it… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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count me in                        Tom L

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count me in                       Tom L

and me Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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count me in                       Tom L and me Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

me too…. –walt, i’ll make popcorn <g

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I wish I could make it to the Clave to see it. Could you talk to this guy about selling copies for those interested in seeing it that can’t attend the clave? Tim Apple

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a Public Service Announcement for Penns Clave 2002 attendees: I am posing this question to all of you who will be attending the Penns Clave in May 2002…. How many of you are willing to pay around $10 (this is an upper guesstimate, it will be less) to view some awesome underwater video of trout behavior? Last week after our Christmas dinner, about 30 of us Little Lehigh fly fisherman were fortunate to view 45 minutes of underwater video footage of trout behavior filmed by a local (NJ) fly fisherman/videographer? This guy’s (OZ) videos are great, this is the second video of his that I have seen and he tells me that he is working on his third video. Anyway, I think that many of you guys would enjoy it and that it would be cool to add an educational element to the clave, perhaps the night of the raffle.  OZ seems interested.  :-) A few years ago, I viewed a fishing video that included some underwater video footage where a camera was disquised as a trout and then placed in different sections of the stream to capture trout behavior.  It was very interesting, but OZ has this system where the optical component is mounted to the end of a boom that can be moved while he views what the lens sees on the remote LCD monitor. Here is OZ’s description of his video: "THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF TROUT Part II: FEEDING LIES All experienced anglers have witnessed a newly outfitted dude, standing in a spot where he ought to be fishing. Knowing where the fish are is critical to angling success — not just where they hide, but where they feed. This second voyage into The Underwater World of Trout answers the questions all anglers ask. Where are they? Why are they there? What are they eating? How do I recognize what is going on? If you’re like the rest of us, your bookshelves are full of experts espousing theories, all different and some invented just to sell books. In this study we go into the streams and examine the facts and get real answers. Some you expect, others you won’t believe until you see them yourself. To understand what a trout’s world is like requires a basic understanding of how water moves (hydrology) and how trout move about in the water (biomechanics). We all know some basic truths — or do we. Water always flows downstream — except when it doesn’t. Trout always face upstream — except when they don’t. Trout use the tail fin for propulsion — but how do they stop? Trout feed primarily in pools and use fast water to hide from predators — or do they? Trout always establish a pecking order and never tolerate other fish in their feeding lie — except when they do. You’ll be surprised how often some basic truths are violated. How trout rise offer clues to what they are eating. But have you ever had a chance to observe the difference between a trout taking an emerger, sipping a dun, tilting on a nymph or exploding after a skittering caddis? Thanks to a particularly co-operative rainbow trout from Pennsylvania all the different rise forms and takes are captured and made clear. These are not staged shots in aquariums but real trout in the streams that you and I fish. Footage is captured from the foothill creeks and wild trout streams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, spring creeks from Carlisle to Long Island and a landlocked salmon river in Maine. These are the waters we ply, filmed by an angler who asks the questions we all ponder. You’ll walk away from this presentation knowing the answers to many questions, and with a whole set of new questions to ask." *** Ok, raise your hand if you want to see this video! *** Dave — Obigatory Disclaimer:  I have no financial interest in this offering.

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    it wasn’t the dwarf.     the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.  i looked at the glowing numbers on the digital clock, and watched in near disbelief as i finally realized that "4:30" kept blinking at me as i mumbled responses to the voice on the other end of the line.  high pitched, youthful, and bursting with excitement, the language predicted an arrival within the hour.  feeling precisely like a character from the beatles’ "sgt. pepper"  (woke up, fell out of bed, ran a comb across my hair…), i gathered my beloved little hamilton bamboo and some ragged remnants of what now seems another life and prepared for the arrival of ol zimbo the earnest.  instead of a knock on the door, i get a cell call.  dude is lost; an easy thing to do in a metropolis such as greensboro, nc.  i direct him unerringly to my new digs, and we are off in a whirl of  coffee fumes and early morning hopes.     after a trip made quick by the always pleasant exchange of ideas between myself and my fellow traveler (not) we arrived at chez waldo, a location made bearable only by the presence of little marie the long-suffering.  we geared up and fell (almost literally) into the very cold waters of the mighty watauga river, all of thirty feet wide.  the bastards were tougher than any stockers i have ever run across, falling only to small pt nymphs driven deep with lead.  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity.     hoping that the water up on grandfather mountain would warm by midday, acting up as of late, so our progress was quite slow even on the downhill trip to the water.  but the trip was well worth the pain.  this creek is breathtaking in its raw beauty.  flowing though a gorge filled with cabin-sized granite rocks, plunge pools, and falls, it is the archtype carolina freestone backwoods stream.  the water was higher than i would have ever thought, and so cold that staying in it for longer than about twenty minutes at a time was an act of courage or foolishness, depending upon one’s philosophy.  as the more mature members of the threesome held steady to a committment to fish as a gentleman, the irrepressible zimbo dredged the long, black runs with his favorite weapons:  tiny nymphs, lead, and a stick-on.  of course, if one is to be an objective reporter, one must admit that he met with far more success than did we.  but in the final analysis, life is about quality, not quantity…i think.     a moment’s excitement was created when a rainbow of over a foot in length, with the characteristic black back and dark red stripe, surged from a seam between very fast water and a foam covered eddy to smash my 16 para adams.  i snapped the 5x as if it were a spyder’s web in my panicked overreaction.  it’s been a long time between strikes.     photography was a more productive activity than fishing, and i can hardly wait to see the prints of my companions and their environment:  weak little primates crawling around and up the pebbles of the gods, waving their foolish sticks and feathers in futility, cradled by the strength of timeless rock and the relentless, indomitable water that flows across its surface.     it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

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…..ok, maybe there’s one or two others but still it’s a burden…..

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wolfgang cleri……carrio……clariu……ah rats!

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Watch it, wayno. Careless use of ‘native’ ain’t happening in this newsgroup any more.  :-) Welcome the hell back, counselor! "Why can’t everybody else leave everybody else alone?"                               -Hank Junior

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Well, what a coincidence!  After almost 2 weeks of almost total internet blackout (due to technical "difficulties" beyond the grasp of the Wile E. Coyote "support" personnel at Road Runner), I come back looking for something interesting and sure enough I find it.  That primes me nicely for my lower Upper excursion tomorrow, thank you very much.

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   it was good to be back where trout live.

Thanks for a great trip report. I was thinking of you and your son this morning as I just received notice that one of my friend’s wife has just set a Texas state record by catching a 10 1/4 inch redear. Big Dale

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  it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

Brilliant prose, thanks Wayne. Good to see the old "Upper Case"free, typing again. The monitor smiles now. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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   it wasn’t the dwarf.

[a typical nc tr snip]    it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

lookit wayno, don’t you ever leave me alone with this bunch of crackpots ever again  - eh!! do you have any idea how hard it is being the sole voice of reason in this loony bin?  ok, maybe there’s one or two others but still it’s a burden.   good to have you back. man Peter

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…  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity. Well, you do have a way with words. Have missed your mellifluous musings, good to see you back.

Meli….melliph…..mellif……damn, I’m LOOKING at that and I can’t spell it!  Funniest way to say smelly old poop I ever saw. Wolfgang dwarf or lawyer…..dwarf or lawyer…..dwarf or lawyer……hm…gotta think about that

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It’s good to see you again, Wayne. Thanks for the report, Herman     it wasn’t the dwarf.

<rest of a great report creatively snipped

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Meli….melliph…..mellif……damn, I’m LOOKING at that and I can’t spell it!  Funniest way to say smelly old poop I ever saw.

No doubt!  Why not just say it the easy: "Ken" <g How was the game last night turd licker? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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…  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity.

Well, you do have a way with words. Have missed your mellifluous musings, good to see you back. — Ken Fortenberry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    it wasn’t the dwarf. HAH! I called it – I *knew* it was you! What’d I win, Z’man?    it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison The dump has seemed empty without you, wayno. Welcome home. /daytripper (Did I win a Hamilton Rod? Huh? Huh?

Yeah – the dwarf has it….<G TC, R

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   it wasn’t the dwarf.    the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.

 <Gratuitous imagery snipped, for the sake of gentler readers Well, if it is a forgery, it’s pretty dead-nut accurate…<G Welcome back, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

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    the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.

Missed you wayno, not to mention your superb imagery.   Welcome back.   You didn’t miss much (that you haven’t seen in another version.) Joe F.

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   it wasn’t the dwarf.

HAH! I called it – I *knew* it was you! What’d I win, Z’man?    it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

The dump has seemed empty without you, wayno. Welcome home. /daytripper (Did I win a Hamilton Rod? Huh? Huh?

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   it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

Good to see you back astream as well!  So it took Zimbo waking you from a wet dream to get your tired old bones moving or were you secretely thinking of you and your 7th grade teacher in a foot race pursuing Zimbo in a thong?!!! Inquiring minds want to know!! I shudda known, dry fly purist to the end. Been listening to Walt again haven’t ya?  It musta been early for you to have fallen for Zimbo letting you use his breathables while he snuggled down in those nice warm neoprenes.  Now, get off your arse and come north for some gentlemanly fishing (I’ve got a beautiful 100% wild trout river staked out with nice and easy walking)! Wayne to fish is human…..to release Divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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We certainly hope so.  Nice to have you back Wayno. Wolfgang

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It is nice to have you and your posts back Wayno!  A very nice trip report indeed. Warren

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     it wasn’t the dwarf.     the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.  i looked at the glowing numbers on the digital clock, and watched in near disbelief as i finally realized that "4:30" kept blinking at me as i mumbled responses to the voice on the other end of the line.  high pitched, youthful, and bursting with excitement, the language predicted an arrival within the hour.  feeling precisely like a character from the beatles’ "sgt. pepper"  (woke up, fell out of bed, ran a comb across my hair…), i gathered my beloved little hamilton bamboo and some ragged remnants of what now seems another life and prepared for the arrival of ol zimbo the earnest.  instead of a knock on the door, i get a cell call.  dude is lost; an easy thing to do in a metropolis such as greensboro, nc.  i direct him unerringly to my new digs, and we are off in a whirl of  coffee fumes and early morning hopes.     after a trip made quick by the always pleasant exchange of ideas between myself and my fellow traveler (not) we arrived at chez waldo, a location made bearable only by the presence of little marie the long-suffering.  we geared up and fell (almost literally) into the very cold waters of the mighty watauga river, all of thirty feet wide.  the bastards were tougher than any stockers i have ever run across, falling only to small pt nymphs driven deep with lead.  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity.     hoping that the water up on grandfather mountain would warm by midday, really acting up as of late, so our progress was quite slow even on the downhill trip to the water.  but the trip was well worth the pain.  this creek is breathtaking in its raw beauty.  flowing though a gorge filled with cabin-sized granite rocks, plunge pools, and falls, it is the archtype carolina freestone backwoods stream.  the water was higher than i would have ever thought, and so cold that staying in it for longer than about twenty minutes at a time was an act of courage or foolishness, depending upon one’s philosophy.  as the more mature members of the threesome held steady to a committment to fish as a gentleman, the irrepressible zimbo dredged the long, black runs with his favorite weapons:  tiny nymphs, lead, and a stick-on.  of course, if one is to be an objective reporter, one must admit that he met with far more success than did we.  but in the final analysis, life is about quality, not quantity…i think.     a moment’s excitement was created when a rainbow of over a foot in length, with the characteristic black back and dark red stripe, surged from a seam between very fast water and a foam covered eddy to smash my 16 para adams.  i snapped the 5x as if it were a spyder’s web in my panicked overreaction.  it’s been a long time between strikes.     photography was a more productive activity than fishing, and i can hardly wait to see the prints of my companions and their environment:  weak little primates crawling around and up the pebbles of the gods, waving their foolish sticks and feathers in futility, cradled by the strength of timeless rock and the relentless, indomitable water that flows across its surface.     it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

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BTW, why not include the arbor knot? You have to attach the backing to the spool somehow. Yeah, but the guys at Orvis do that one.

They probably tie your needle knots, too. How many other people in ROFF have been streamside with a supposedly experienced flyfisherman who, when it came time to tie on a leader, had no idea how to do it? The clinch knot and nail knot both can be replaced by the Uni knot if you like.

But EVERY knot can be replaced by the clinch knot. Just ask Wayno if he ever reappears. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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How many other people in ROFF have been streamside with a supposedly experienced flyfisherman who, when it came time to tie on a leader, had no idea how to do it?

This has happened to me numerous times.  Also, many people apparently change their ( looped ),leaders at an amazing rate, because they are unable to even tie tippet on.   If you have enough time and money I don

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There are some part 135 operators making pretty good bucks flying the mail up in Alaska. Apparently the US govt is paying buuckoo bucks for operators to fly the mail and appareantly anyone can mail anything anywhere in Alaska (like their groceries) and the govt picks up the bill. So you have a lottta operators makin money flyin the mail up there, paying off their big buck turbines. Another route would be to get a government flying job with the Mounties, Fish and Wildlife or some such. Those guys get paid descent wages to fly descent planes and have reasonable schedules. It’s not the majors and both are govt jobs, which kinda suck, but those are the sort of options ya got up there other than a flyin’ bum in the bush leagues, which is loads of fun but suck on pay. Anyway ya do it, eventually you are gonna to have to get an IFR ticket, I mean ya just aint an aviator without one! O – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial  bush pilot living in Canada, I fly floats in the summer and wheel/skis in the winter.  I  do all of my fueling, cleaning, loading, basically im a one man show. I love the float season, i love flying into little lakes, beaching on a island, dumping my passengers off and then swimming or fishing for a while if I have time before my next flight. My problem is this;  I know that if I want to make any money I will probibaly have to move into the multi ifr stuff in the next couple of years before i get too old (im 26).  And the problem with that is I have done the ifr ground school twice (3-day cram fest in Vancouver for $200) and have not completed it either time.  I am bored shitless and cant concentrate!  I just cant get into it and I’m not sure why? For you comm pilots out there flying ifr all the time; does it suck?  are you bored most of the time?  I go up to the cockpit on air canada A320 sometimes and visit the pilots and they dont seem to have much to do….or see. Any float drivers turned ifr drivers out there who can give me some encouragement?   Are there any fun ifr jobs where i dont have to dawn a shirt with those prissy gold bars?  Am I doomed to choose between a job I hate for the money or a job I love and poverty? Help, jon Sounds to me that you should direct your energies toward finding a way to make more money doing what you love. Enough creative thought can make you happy *and* rich. Talk to your clients in-depth and find out what they would like to see you do better and listen for hints about what services you can provide that will help them enjoy the experience more. Become upscale and charge higher prices. People are willing to pay a premium for quality and service, trust me. Regardless, if you are happy doing what you are doing, you are luckier than most. As you get older you will find that happiness is more valuable and harder to come by than any amount of money. Good luck and fly safe. — Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino http://www.wizardofdraws.com

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shirt with those prissy gold bars?  Am I doomed to choose between a job I hate for the money or a job I love and poverty?

It sounds like you’re already doing exactly what you should be doing… BTW, congratulations tim PP-ASEL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial  bush pilot living in Canada, I fly floats in the summer and wheel/skis in the winter.  I  do all of my fueling, cleaning, loading, basically im a one man show. I love the float season, i love flying into little lakes, beaching on a island, dumping my passengers off and then swimming or fishing for a while if I have time before my next flight. My problem is this;  I know that if I want to make any money I will probibaly have to move into the multi ifr stuff in the next couple of years before i get too old (im 26).  And the problem with that is I have done the ifr ground school twice (3-day cram fest in Vancouver for $200) and have not completed it either time.  I am bored shitless and cant concentrate!  I just cant get into it and I’m not sure why? For you comm pilots out there flying ifr all the time; does it suck?  are you bored most of the time?  I go up to the cockpit on air canada A320 sometimes and visit the pilots and they dont seem to have much to do….or see. Any float drivers turned ifr drivers out there who can give me some encouragement?   Are there any fun ifr jobs where i dont have to dawn a shirt with those prissy gold bars?  Am I doomed to choose between a job I hate for the money or a job I love and poverty? Help, jon

Sounds to me that you should direct your energies toward finding a way to make more money doing what you love. Enough creative thought can make you happy *and* rich. Talk to your clients in-depth and find out what they would like to see you do better and listen for hints about what services you can provide that will help them enjoy the experience more. Become upscale and charge higher prices. People are willing to pay a premium for quality and service, trust me. Regardless, if you are happy doing what you are doing, you are luckier than most. As you get older you will find that happiness is more valuable and harder to come by than any amount of money. Good luck and fly safe. — Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino http://www.wizardofdraws.com

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I am a commercial  bush pilot living in Canada, I fly floats in the summer and wheel/skis in the winter.  I  do all of my fueling, cleaning, loading, basically im a one man show.   I love the float season, i love flying into little lakes, beaching on a island, dumping my passengers off and then swimming or fishing for a while if I have time before my next flight.   My problem is this;  I know that if I want to make any money I will probibaly have to move into the multi ifr stuff in the next couple of years before i get too old (im 26).  And the problem with that is I have done the ifr ground school twice (3-day cram fest in Vancouver for $200) and have not completed it either time.  I am bored shitless and cant concentrate!  I just cant get into it and I’m not sure why?  For you comm pilots out there flying ifr all the time; does it suck?  are you bored most of the time?  I go up to the cockpit on air canada A320 sometimes and visit the pilots and they dont seem to have much to do….or see. Any float drivers turned ifr drivers out there who can give me some encouragement?   Are there any fun ifr jobs where i dont have to dawn a shirt with those prissy gold bars?  Am I doomed to choose between a job I hate for the money or a job I love and poverty? Help, jon

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  I’ve been fishing in the Florida Keys.  There is a boat called "Main Attraction" in Marathon.  Capt. Morris is the owner/operator.  Have always had good luck fishing with him.  Good guy and productive fisherman.

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Strike Zone Charters in Big Pine Key is the only one I go with.  305-872-9863

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I have a listing of guides for Monroe County/the Keys that have web pages. The list is at < http://inshore.com/f-guides.html#Monroe . You might want to visit a few of the sites for more information on trips, rates, etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m looking for a game fishing charter in the Florida Keys. Has anybody got any recomendations ?? Cheers Justin

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Hi I’m looking for a game fishing charter in the Florida Keys. Has anybody got any recomendations ?? Cheers Justin

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Hiya Justin, Check out www.met-fl.org This site has a page of links to guides in the Keys and around S. Fla. These guides are some, but not all of the best guides. Most on the list have or guided people who have IGFA records. Good luck, let us know when and how you do. Do you know Stu Cawker"Capt. Asparagus" Hi I’m looking for a game fishing charter in the Florida Keys. Has anybody got any recomendations ?? Cheers Justin

– Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish, goes home through the alley. Anonymous http://fish-n-net.com/

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I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN —

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I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN

  The Madison HM

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Most of the good trout streams are 150 miles away. — Ernie Harrison Want something to do? Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN —

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Most streams are closed this time of year. If you want to fish now, though, you can try Putah Creek below Lake Berryessa. Because of its proximity to the Bay Area, it can get crowded – especially on weekends. For good northern California fishing reports, check www.fishfirst.com – updated every two weeks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most of the good trout streams are 150 miles away. — Ernie Harrison Want something to do? Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN —

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The best and closest I’ve found so far are Putah Creek and The Lower Yuba both of which are open this time of year.  I went to the Lower Yuba for the first time this past spring and it was a lot of fun. (Watch out for Rattle Snakes and Poison Oak though.  In fact, you should watch out for Poison Oak just about everywhere you fish in Northern CA.)  Good luck. Brian

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Hello: I am looking for the San Jose Flyfishing Club.  If you have any info, please send to me.  Tia…. Steve

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Hello: I am looking for the San Jose Flyfishing Club.  If you have any info, please send to me.  Tia….

They used to hold their meetings at the corner of Saratoga Ave. and Williams and occasionally would announce their meetings in the SJ Mercury.  They could also occasionally be found meeting at the Campbell "Perc" ponds on the weekend.  I understand they have a casting pond there now. John Fereira

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San Jose Flycasters hold their monthly meeting at the Senior Center at the corner of Payne and Saratoga on the second Wednesday of every month – next meeting is July 9. Many club members can be found at the Campbell Casting ponds located withing Los Gatos Creek Park. On Thursday nights there are a number of club members providing free casting instruction. bob sato — Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

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Sorry – I forgot to include: Meetings start at 7 pm. bob sato – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – San Jose Flycasters hold their monthly meeting at the Senior Center at the corner of Payne and Saratoga on the second Wednesday of every month – next meeting is July 9. Many club members can be found at the Campbell Casting ponds located withing Los Gatos Creek Park. On Thursday nights there are a number of club members providing free casting instruction. bob sato — Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

– Dr. Robert K. Sato Catalytica Inc. 430 Ferguson Drive Mountain View, CA  94043   USA Voice:  (415)940-6375 Fax:    (415)960-0127

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: What are the pros and cons of the expensive fly lines vs. the lower end : lines.  For example the Cortland 444 lazer vs the 333 lines.  Thanks   There are differences when you compare these two lines. The Cortland 444 is the industry standard fly line. It is offered in many more types and configurations than the 333. The 333 is the predecessor to the 444. The 444 is more supple, longer lasting, and slick than the 333. It also comes with a one year warrenty against failure. My experience with Cortland is that any 444 line returned will be replaced for free. This happened one year at the shop where we had many customers come back with defective lines. We had instructions from Cortland to take back all lines at that time. Their testing showed that they had a bad batch!   There is also a higher performance level with the more expensive lines. I find that they float higher and are easier to cast. The best line Cortland currently has is the 444 LazerLine. It has a textered finish. This line is the most supple, easiest mending, and farthest shooting line of any "general purpose" trout line I have used. Both 333 and 444 are good lines Jon Porter

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What are the pros and cons of the expensive fly lines vs. the lower end lines.  For example the Cortland 444 lazer vs the 333 lines.  Thanks

In my opinion there aren’t many differences between lines that make a huge difference.  Higher priced lines are usually made from better materials(tougher, stronger, self lubricating, Uv resistant, etc.) but the taper really isn’t a measure of "quality".  It all depends on your casting style and requirements.  Some line may better match your technique and give better results (i.e. some people may perfere the same line in double taper vs. weight forward or vice versa).  Your fishing requirements (if they are very specific)  may demand that you must spend the extra money for a higher   end line but that is sometimes the nature of the beast!  Good luck,                         Joshua Haddock

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Does anyone have any information or experience in flyfishing in China, Tibet, etc.?

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I do know that the Tibetan people consider the trout, or native fish, that live in the lakes and rivers of Tibet,sacred and holy, and being Buddhists, might get upset about even harming the fish. Even catch and release. I would be tempted to cast a parachute adams in the river though!! I have spent some time in Kashmir and Ladakh, and both have beautiful waters. I know they have good fishing in Kashmir, but, one wouldn’t want to go there now. My 2 bits, Stu

: Does anyone have any information or experience in flyfishing in China, : Tibet, etc.?

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