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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line?

What Willi said. Works for me. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age."                                                           —- J.W Muller

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Chances are your guides are worn out.  You probably have "flats" worn on the inside diameter of your snake guides.  Use a magnifying glass to see if you have worn out the inside of the guides as when you have flats you end up with very SHARP edges, which shave your fly line when you shoot the line. This shaves your fly line and in effect, destroys it.  Look also at the Tip-Top guide as this is the one which your fly line creases over 90* and does a lot of damage.  I suspect your fly rod needs reguiding. A quality line dressing will help and if you wish, you can visit the blue thingie enclosed in the sign off. Good Luck Tim, but I bet you’re going to need a new fly line also.  Hope not, but what you describe doesn’t sound very cool. Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-StreamSide-PZ-LineCleaner.html

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162575.news.dfncis.de: The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides? riverman

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       The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let    line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly    line? How often do you clean and treat the line?             and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides?         riverman         How often you clean a fly line has alot to do with where you fish. Some waters, although they might look crystalline, tend to get a line dirty in short order. The composition of the banks also plays a part. If my line starts sinking when fishing, I generally just pull it through a piece of chammy. For a good cleaning, I first wash the line in warm water then use a line cleaner. I’ve used a number of different brands and have no preference. I occasionally give my rods a coat of car wax and in the process, the guides do get a coat of wax. It does seem to help shooting line but only for a very short time. It does help protect the rod and helps shed water. Willi

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides? riverman

I generally clean and condition my line after ~20 hours of use.  I use mild soap for the cleaning, and a conditioner produced by Scientific Angler.  As for the guides, I coat them with a thin film (just enought to leave a fingerprint when touched) of Super Lube (a silicon based gel lubricant with teflon) once a month.  AFter applying the Super Lube I wipe any excess off the exterior of the guide loop (since this is only needed on the inside of the guide) in order to keep the inside of my rod tube clean. Using the above methods, I’ve noticed increased shooting distances, improved line floatation, and greatly extended line life.

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line? — TL, Tim

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The last time I fished, I noticed an slight abrasive-type sound as I let line through the guides during a cast. What’s the best treatment for fly line? How often do you clean and treat the line?

and add to that, does anyone ever treat the <guides? riverman

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I am doing some research on fishing competitions and would like some input guys/gals. How much would you be willing to pay to enter a competition where the winner of the biggest catch over a weekend wins $50,000 USD.

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How much would you be willing to pay to enter a competition where the winner of the biggest catch over a weekend wins $50,000 USD.

One TBone<g. — Charlie…

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How much would you be willing to pay to enter a competition where the winner of the biggest catch over a weekend wins $50,000 USD. One TBone<g.

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I’ll see yer tbone and raise ya a tamato stake.

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I am doing some research on fishing competitions and would like some input guys/gals. How much would you be willing to pay to enter a competition where the winner of the biggest catch over a weekend wins $50,000 USD.

you have it wrong markie….. how much are *you* willing to pay participants to even show up? send me jumbo-jet round-trippers, 14 in total along with $50,000 in pocket cash, and I’ll round up a NC contingent that will whup yer aussies butts and outdrink ya to boot! hope this helps, waldo

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I am doing some research on fishing competitions and would like some input guys/gals. How much would you be willing to pay to enter a competition where the winner of the biggest catch over a weekend wins $50,000 USD.

        not nearly as much as i would pay to see you have the "biggest catch" shoved up your ass.         love and kisses from the guys/gals. wayno

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I wouldn’t pay a penny. Fishing is not about competing. When I go fishing I’ve won when I make the first cast. I’ve won because I’m where I want to be doing something for myself regardless of the number of fish I catch. Paul

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   Ah, but there is inherent commercialism and background competition already occurring.  With this stance, would you turn down prize money if you caught a world record fish and the company that makes your rod, reel or line had a reward for said fish?  Say, a million for a world record bucket mouth caught on a Daiwa rod?  You’ve already paid for entry into this competition as part of the purchase price of the rod.  Have you ever been in a "big fish pool" on a trip, winner takes all?  I think its all about degree.  Would I go on a tournament trail?  No.  Would I occasionally fish a tournament on my home waters?  Maybe. How much would I pay?  Depends on how many are entered, how much of the kitty is by sponsors, what are my odds.  Would I fish it for charity?  Yes, if I was sure that some ones charity would get the bucks.             Frank Reid   I think the – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wouldn’t pay a penny. Fishing is not about competing. When I go fishing I’ve won when I make the first cast. I’ve won because I’m where I want to be doing something for myself regardless of the number of fish I catch. Paul I am doing some research on fishing competitions and would like some input guys/gals. How much would you be willing to pay to enter a competition where the winner of the biggest catch over a weekend wins $50,000 USD.

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Wow, makes rofb look tame. Atta boy, Wayno….tell ‘em like it is. — I say we fish 5, work 2. Shawn

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So what is this research all about?  Why don’t you direct it to B.A.S.S. They sponsor hundreds of tournaments weekly. Suggest you try to understand fly fishermen (guys/gals) before posting such requests. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am doing some research on fishing competitions and would like some input guys/gals. How much would you be willing to pay to enter a competition where the winner of the biggest catch over a weekend wins $50,000 USD.

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That question can only be asked of yourself, who is the only possible true source of any useful input. In all honesty, how good a fisherman are you? How good is your competition? What do you know that they don’t? What do you do that they can’t? What do you have that they don’t? Your answers are almost as important as your willingness to accept them. You will probably find an honest answer to be the entry fee is worth what you are willing to spend for a good time, and no more. That amount will naturally increase as your love of gambling increases, so the final answer was in you all along. — Bob Rickard SECRET WEAPON — World’s absolute finest spinnerbaits! All others are now obsolete . . . See for yourself at http://inetsa.com/user/secretweapon

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(snip)  That amount will naturally increase as your love of gambling increases, so the final answer was in you all along.

        (hyperbolic hogshit claiming world domination in metallic lure snipped)         well, i’ll be damned…george has changed his name and gone to post with the glitter boat crowd! wayno the blessing counter

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Oh heck, I’ll shove in a couple grand I guess. Don’t be checking my damn livewell before blast-off though.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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<< Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? I would have to say more time on my home waters in North Central Washington State would be ideal for next year.  (I know its a boring answer but it is where I love to fish and I never get enough time there.) << Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? A little river in British Columbia that I spent hours on as a teenager.  I fish it 2-6 times a year but it is never enough.  Wild rainbows, no other fisherman in sight and incredible scenary. << Where in South America? Don’t know much about South America but I would love to give fishing a try in and around Cozumel or Roatan, Honduras.  I visited both this summer and didn’t get a chance to fish. Mike

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<<Where the ROFFians gather. You politician, you. dave

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What would be your number one destination?

Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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After Codemarine’s post of his Monster Bluegill and the picture of it I would have to say my number one destination would be Steve’s Pond. Big Dale  

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Or the couch in my office. Steve Zimmerman

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

I don’t know why not, especially given many of the great reports here; but I don’t really long for far-off places.  There’s good fishing right in my backyard (sorry, Dorothy).    Instead, I long for more and better times on the streams I know, from the local Gunpowder Falls to Maine’s great rivers such as the Penobscot, Kennebec, and a few others. There are a few rivers which are but a fable to me, that I’d like to fish sometime.   The rivers of Idaho, Montana, Colorado, and Wyoming have a lure, but I’d also like to fish the Miramichi for salmon and an English chalk stream at least once, just for the history. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

I’d like to visit Newfoundland. Where in South America?

Don’t know enough to pick. What would be your number one destination?

As long as I’m on a good stream with a fly rod in my hand, it’s location on the earth is important only as tourism.   I’d love to visit Australia, though. Joe F.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

 With time travel ;The Upper Dean, 20 years ago. Today, most of Montana Where in South America? no desire What would be your number one destination?

The Sunlite Basin Area,Wyoming Harry E. Mason www.Troutflies.com

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1) The North Umpqua River 2) The Kispiox River 3) Only been to Costa Rica and Panama 4) Pinoi River Good Question!!! Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

   If I could I’d go to El Pescador in Belize for tarpon.   –tony

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Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!!  :-) — Flyfish NC                                                   Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com                                                                  

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2ivf0fk.dialup.mindspring.com, Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!!  :-)

Gordon: That brings up a question.  Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there?  Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? BTW, what would you be catching from October to Thanksgiving? Bob Before you buy.

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Charlie – you will therefore understand my regret that I have been to Belize twice on business for 2 weeks each time and did not flyfish because I was still a worm drowner.  Now I just think what I missed, not once but twice! I even had a boat of my own whilst there and stayed on St Georges and San Pedro. Dohh!!

I do understand. Great country. I hope you at least fished off the reef and got in a little snorkeling. — Charlie…

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Charlie – you will therefore understand my regret that I have been to Belize twice on business for 2 weeks each time and did not flyfish because I was still a worm drowner.  Now I just think what I missed, not once but twice! I even had a boat of my own whilst there and stayed on St Georges and San Pedro. Dohh!! David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What would be your number one destination? Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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1.  US: Wherever any of you US ROFF chaps really recommended. 2.  N America: Labrador (fuelled by your posts!) (and I can fish the Miramichi anytime without a guide anyway!) 3.  S America:  Belize, partly for opportunities lost (see post elsewhere in thread) 4.  Anywhere:  The Falkland Islands because they are the reason I got into flyfishing in the first place (and then at the last minute before a 4 month trip there I did not go!) and because a good friend of mine has just returned from 6 months there and keeps regaling me with tales of rivers full of sea trout that have never been fished before.  Actually I got engaged to my wife just before the trip that was cancelled so it gave me a wife and fly fishing in one go! David reflecting on what might have been and what may yet be! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing

The McCloud, the Upper Sac., Hat Creek, about 15-20 years ago. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Baja California, both the Pacific side and the Sea of Cortez.  Or British Columbia 40 years ago. Where in South America?

Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts. What would be your number one destination?

Somewhere, anywhere, 15 minutes from home. Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Where in South America? Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts.

        well, ol boy, if you *ever* need a fishin partner, just give ol wayno a call.  3362751231.  thankyaverymuch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Bob Peters: <<That brings up a question.  Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there?  Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? According to tonight’s evening news, Floyd’s floods in NC have washed all sorts of bad things into Pamlico Sound.  There is great worry about the entire area becoming a "dead zone". Dave L.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

        four mile creek, colorado; but only if my son was fishing with me. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination?

        hazel creek, with the clock turned back to 1980, when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, i never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dave L.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

Yellowstone, but please excuse me if I don’t name the stream. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Labrador, if I could paddle my canoe into the backcountry and fish without a guide. Where in South America?

Not a clue. What would be your number one destination?

Where the ROFFians gather. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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only if my son was fishing with me. , when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, I never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno

Wayno.I’m know some places in S.A. where the rum is cheap and the beer is definitely  factor in to your heart consideration……the fish bite river…..     Reading your response made think about fishing just a little

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Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

The Stellako River, in BC.  beautiful river, a long F’ing way from anywhere.  Or the Blackwater. Where in South America?

I hope that someday I have the experience to answer this question. What would be your number one destination?

Well, you disqualified Alaska, but that’s my favorite.  Sleep with the bears at night, catch enormous fish during the day.  Live the way folks used to.  See www.aa.net/andrewbr/~alaska99/ to see what I mean. Dave L.

– Andrew Brunette

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Lower 48 Rivers flowing out of the Blue Mountains in SE Washington State, and the rivers flowing out of the Willowas mountains in NE Oregon, plus the Imnaha. North America Kobuk river drainage East of Kotzebue South America Ive heard there are some great streams flowing out of the Andes in Tuccucom Province in Argentina. Number One Kobuk, just because I was offered a guiding slot there once by a friend and have always wondered what I passed up. Too old now. Have no idea if the fishing would be good or bad or whatever. Dave

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I would simply ask for more time to fish.. Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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I’m not sure how useful a strict definition of fly fishing would be. California, like many other states, makes a distinction for fishing with a single barbless hook and using artificial lures only which seems like the right thing, management-wise.  It’s not clear to me why you’d ever want to distinguish between fly fishers and spinning lure casters for purposes of management. In my book, someone who uses a spinning outfit to cast a bubble with a six foot leader and a fly on the end is fly-fishing.  I cannot see why you’d ever want to prevent someone from fishing in the above manner in waters intended for the more classical forms of angling with a fly rod.  (Unless, of course, you’re British! <g).

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Yeah, that’s pretty much it.   If a state is going to have special fly fishing only streams or seasons, it should IMHO have a decent definition of what qualifies as fly fishing.  

I don’t think Georgia has any FF only public water, and I’m not sure I’d be in favor of it. We do have artificial only/single hook, etc type restrictions which I think are sufficient. I’d agree, though, that if you have a FF only designation you need a good definition.   — Charlie…

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For what its worth, following are Connecticut’s official definitions of a fly and fly fishing. FLY:  A single or double hook dressed with hair, feathers, tinsel, thread, yarn or similar material to which no bait, spinner, spoon, plug, or other device is added. Extra weight may be built into the fly in its construction, as in a weighted nymph, and additional weight may attatched to the leader or line. The use of strike indicators is permitted.

This definition would make lead a head jig fly.  I believe some states have a clause saying that weight cannot be molded onto the hook.

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In my book, someone who uses a spinning outfit to cast a bubble with a six foot leader and a fly on the end is fly-fishing.  I cannot see why you’d ever want to prevent someone from fishing in the above manner in waters intended for the more classical forms of angling with a fly rod.  (Unless, of course, you’re British! <g).

Rhubarb, rhubarb, murmur, murmur The right honorable gentleman from San Diego is full of CRAP!<g Mu Young Lee   Ann Arbor, MI  USA

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For what its worth, following are Connecticut’s official definitions of a fly and fly fishing. FLY:  A single or double hook dressed with hair, feathers, tinsel, thread, yarn or similar material to which no bait, spinner, spoon, plug, or other device is added. FLY FISHING:  Angling with the use of a fly reel, fly rod, fly line, leader, and a fly or flies. Extra weight may be built into the fly in its construction, as in a weighted nymph, and additional weight may attatched to the leader or line. The use of strike indicators is permitted. George Adams

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -For what its worth, following are Connecticut’s official definitions of a fly and fly fishing. FLY:  A single or double hook dressed with hair, feathers, tinsel, thread, yarn or similar material to which no bait, spinner, spoon, plug, or other device is added. FLY FISHING:  Angling with the use of a fly reel, fly rod, fly line, leader, and a fly or flies. Extra weight may be built into the fly in its construction, as in a weighted nymph, and additional weight may attatched to the leader or line. The use of strike indicators is permitted.

I propose continuing this topic so that we might come to a practical definition of fly fishing that we could all shout out to our respective regulatory agencies.   Maybe some official definitions are already sufficient and concise.   If so, I’d love to hear them.   The Connecticut definition above, however, falls short IMO because of what is does not exclude.   Under that definition, an angler use the chuck and duck method of throwing weight but still be legally fly fishing so long as he used fly fishing equipment.   My own state regs (MD) are similarly vague. As I’ve said before, what makes fly fishing mechanically different from spin fishing is that with fly fishing, the fly is propelled by the weight of the line itself, not by weight on the end of the line.   Do you suppose we could actually work constructively together on ROFF to devise a concise regulatory definition of fly fishing that correctly and completely defines what we do? How do your state regs handle it? I’m serious.   For this topic, at least, forget all the controvery and BS we’ve been dealing with elsewhere and be rational and constructive.   We might actually accomplish something.   (I better stop before I start singing Cumbayah.) Joe

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I propose continuing this topic so that we might come to a practical definition of fly fishing that we could all shout out to our respective regulatory agencies.   Maybe some official definitions are already sufficient and concise.   If so, I’d love to hear them. I guess I don’t understand whay fly fishing needs to be defined. Are you proposing fly-fishing only waters, special seasons, etc? — Charlie…

Yeah, that’s pretty much it.   If a state is going to have special fly fishing only streams or seasons, it should IMHO have a decent definition of what qualifies as fly fishing.   In my home state of Maryland, we do have FFO streams, and violations of the spirit of that regulation are not, to my knowledge, a problem here.   However, since I read this post right after a discussion of fishing on the Salmon R. in NY, the abuse of the FFO regulation there was fresh in my mind.   I’ve kind of had a burr under my saddle about that for a few years now.   It’s not my home state, but a substantial portion of the economy in that area derives from we tourists. If it’s not a national problem though, maybe I’m just spinning wheels. Joe Joe

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Sorry just testing…

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Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur

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Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur

LOL! Now THAT was funny!

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Testing…1…2…3….!

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This is only a test…  Bow-wow!

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Bell South has today changed news group servers. I apologize for this test, but I am a long time lurker.

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Bell South has today changed news group servers. I apologize for this test, but I am a long time lurker.

There’s an alt.test group that’ll not only post but send you an email about what’s happened to it.  Not that that matters when you regularly read a group, but it’s sometimes a pain to the poster to wade through everything to find out if his / her post made it.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Are my messages getting out to the NG?  None of my new messages and/or replies seem to be getting to the NG. Bob from El Paso

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We read you loud and clear Bob! — Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are my messages getting out to the NG?  None of my new messages and/or replies seem to be getting to the NG. Bob from El Paso

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Thanks for responses fellas – ran virus scan – no vireo, DSL was AOK, sent Netscape nastygram, fed Ol’ Whiskerface hot half-done steak and cold salad. Is amazing how nice rabid-computer-users (& fishers) get when you feed’em up good.  Let’s see if this message gets out.  Truly I don’t know how I fixed it.  Blond thang, I guess. Bob’s Wife in El Paso, repainting blistered walls..

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Filter ? TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Since Mr. G quit posting I don’t have any thing on filter.

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Sorry Ernie, the time is incorrect.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Thanks for responding to this.  I have been having trouble with my ISP and I don’t see the messages I send to ROFF, does any one know why I wouldn’t see the message when Herman did? Ernie

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Hi John this test Keith

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Hi John this test Keith

Did you pass…lol –Randy

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Why aren’t my post getting there?

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Why aren’t my post getting there?

Where?

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Why aren’t my post getting there?

try hitting the send button. it’s the big button on your cpu. waldo the helpful

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The first time I fished the Rapid River with Dave, we caught many salmon.  The next year, we did the same.   Jerry Schrader Schrader Photo http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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Jerry Schrader: <<The first time I fished the Rapid River with Dave, we caught many salmon. The next year, we did the same. Shhhhhhhhh, Jerry.  Remember, there are NO fish in Maine except pickeral and bass. Dave LaCourse

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Dave Tatosian: (snipped) <<- and for God’s sake: don’t tell anyone about this place! ;^) Oh, the word is out, Dave.  Unfortunately.  But I know folks that have been there and won’t go back because they didn’t catch any fish.  Being put on a body of water with salmon and trout doesn’t mean you can *catch* them.  It is a special river that requires years to learn.  I’ve seen "outsider" guides have a zilch day when all the "regulars" were taking fish. Salmon for breakfast —– oh, if only I could have some of Jan’s fresh salmon with bacon.  BTW, Stan does much of the breakfast cooking.  I can tell the difference between their scrambled eggs – Stan’s are fluffier. Dave LaCourse

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Jerry Schrader: I have stayed at Lakewood Camps several times, and loved every minute.  It’s very rustic, with anchient trappers cabins, and excellent food and menu.  I woild recommend it highly, but don’t look for cable tv.  Bring your sleeping bag, the cabins are not insulated, andif it’s chilly, the woodstove burns out in 2 hours. It *is* rustic.  The cabins date to the early 1900s and, as Jerry says, are not insulated.  There has been a fishing camp (called a "sporting camp") at Lakewood for over a hundred years.  No need to bring your sleeping bags, Jerry.  Every cabin has plenty of blankets on the comfortable beds, and if more is needed, there are comforters provided by Sue. A little trick with the woodsoves:  go behind Stan and Sue’s quarters and get BIG pieces of wood instead of the small pieces supplied in the cabins. But most of all:  the fishing is always great.  Catching can also be good. Dave LaCourse

I’ll add: – by the end of a long day of enjoying the river – and stuffed with the best camp cooking you’ll ever find (and a few gin and tonics if you please ;^) – you’ll conk out under your pile of blankets so fast you won’t care that the fire dies down in a couple of hours. – the brisk morning air will help you to pop out of bed to get in an hour of fishing before the marvelous breakfasts that the cook (Janne Provincer) provides. (btw: If you’re lucky enough to catch a good keeper salmon, have it baked for breakfast with a few strips of bacon draped over it. Yum!) – don’t *ever* try to sneak into the main building with your waders on (Sue will feed your privates to the crawfish!) – and for God’s sake: don’t tell anyone about this place! ;^) /dave ps: Louise Dickenson Rich wrote a series of novels about the river from Richardson Lake down to Umbagog, and the people of her times there. "We Took To The Woods" is an excellent winter read, as is the sequel "My Neck Of The Woods". You’ll find some outstanding photos that show things as they were around 60 years back…

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Jerry Schrader: <<I have stayed at Lakewood Camps several times, and loved every minute.  It’s very rustic, with anchient trappers cabins, and excellent food and menu.  I woild recommend it highly, but don’t look for cable tv.  Bring your sleeping bag, the cabins are not insulated, andif it’s chilly, the woodstove burns out in 2 hours.   It *is* rustic.  The cabins date to the early 1900s and, as Jerry says, are not insulated.  There has been a fishing camp (called a "sporting camp") at Lakewood for over a hundred years.  No need to bring your sleeping bags, Jerry.  Every cabin has plenty of blankets on the comfortable beds, and if more is needed, there are comforters provided by Sue. A little trick with the woodsoves:  go behind Stan and Sue’s quarters and get BIG pieces of wood instead of the small pieces supplied in the cabins. But most of all:  the fishing is always great.  Catching can also be good. Dave LaCourse

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I have stayed at Lakewood Camps several times, and loved every minute.  It’s very rustic, with anchient trappers cabins, and excellent food and menu.  I woild recommend it highly, but don’t look for cable tv.  Bring your sleeping bag, the cabins are not insulated, andif it’s chilly, the woodstove burns out in 2 hours.   Jerry Schrader Schrader Photo http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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Dave would you have any addreses, either e-mail or landmail for the above camps?Thanks for the help ,Ralph

Hi Ralph. Here are contacts for Grant’s and Lakewood. Grant’s Kennebago Camps P.O. Box 786 Rangely, Maine  04970 (207) 864-3608 summer (207) 282-5264 winter (800) 633-4815 out of state Lakewood Camps P.O. Address Andover, Maine 04216 Phone 207-392-1581 I’ll see if I can dig up an "off season" phone number for Lakewood. While Stan and Sue Milton close down the camp for the winter, they have been working at Sunday River (ski area) while there’s snow so they’re somewhere in the area. But I’m not sure if they have the camp number ring at their winter quarters. Again, if there’s an outdoor show (as usual) at Worcester, that’d be a great place to meet the various camp operators. Regards, /dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m giving some thought, although it’s very early, as to where to go flyfishing in Maine this coming Spring. Would be very grateful for any recent opinions and experiences at: Grant’s Bosebuck Tim Pond Libby’s I’ve stayed at all but Libby’s in the last 20 years, but as you want "recent", that cuts it down to Grant’s three years ago, one week after the July 4th drake hatch: great fishing on both Big Kennebago Lake and the river below the dam, good food, good accomodations. You might also want to include Lakewood Camps on Richardson Lake on your list. The best food you’ll ever find at a camp, good fishing, great folks running the place… Assuming there’s an "outdoors show" at Worcester this spring, that’d be a good place to meet some of the camp operators… /dave Dave would you have any addreses, either e-mail or landmail for the above

camps?Thanks for the help ,Ralph

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Dave Tatosian: <<You might also want to include Lakewood Camps on Richardson Lake on your list. The best food you’ll ever find at a camp, good fishing, great folks running the place… Assuming there’s an "outdoors show" at Worcester this spring, that’d be a good place to meet some of the camp operators… I concur with Dave — best fishin and best camp.  Stan and Sue Milton run a classy joint with great fishing and food at a very resonable price.  E-mail me for their phone number. Expect anything with the Libby name to be a class act.  Great people and they have been doing it for years.  Please e-mail me if you want Mat Libby’s e-mail address.   Dave LaCourse

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I’m giving some thought, although it’s very early, as to where to go flyfishing in Maine this coming Spring. Would be very grateful for any recent opinions and experiences at: Grant’s Bosebuck Tim Pond Libby’s

I’ve stayed at all but Libby’s in the last 20 years, but as you want "recent", that cuts it down to Grant’s three years ago, one week after the July 4th drake hatch: great fishing on both Big Kennebago Lake and the river below the dam, good food, good accomodations. You might also want to include Lakewood Camps on Richardson Lake on your list. The best food you’ll ever find at a camp, good fishing, great folks running the place… Assuming there’s an "outdoors show" at Worcester this spring, that’d be a good place to meet some of the camp operators… /dave

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10/28/98 Hello: I’m giving some thought, although it’s very early, as to where to go flyfishing in Maine this coming Spring. Would be very grateful for any recent opinions and experiences at:                                     Grant’s                                     Bosebuck                                     Tim Pond                                     Libby’s Thanks, Bob Rose

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This request presents a pretty weak thread to this group but I regard you as technicians, hence the question. I’ve been away from fishing for a few years now and have lost track of who mail orders rod building components. Please note that I’m interested in most everything except fly fishing components (including salt water spinning, conventional casting and class trolling to 130+). Any advice is appreciated … AW

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Quoting "WildernessWerkes!"<wwerkes from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.f    <This request presents a pretty weak thread to this group but I regard    <you as technicians, hence the question. I’ve been away from fishing for    <a few years now and have lost track of who mail orders rod building    <components. Please note that I’m interested in most everything except    <fly fishing components (including salt water spinning, conventional    <casting and class trolling to 130+). Any advice is appreciated … AW I order quite a bit os stuff from Angler’s Workshop.  They have always provided excellant service.           Angler’s Workshop           1350 Atlantic           Woodland, WA. 98674           360-225-9445 Jim Carlisle

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This request presents a pretty weak thread to this group but I regard you as technicians, hence the question. I’ve been away from fishing for a few years now and have lost track of who mail orders rod building components. Please note that I’m interested in most everything except fly fishing components (including salt water spinning, conventional casting and class trolling to 130+). Any advice is appreciated … AW

Just starting to make rods myself. I recently purchased "Crafting a Graphite Fly Rod" by Al Garcia of Frank Amato publications. Al has a section on sources for equipment and materials. B.

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I can reccommend Custom Tackle in Shelbyville, Tenn. Bob McKamey is the owner. Telephone 615-684-6164. I have dealt with this Co. for years. Good luck. Jack

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I don’t think he’d buy a book on fly fishing gear when he said he wasn’t interested. Angler’s Workshop and Dale Clemems are two great rod building supply companies. Angler’s – (360) 225-9445 Clemens – (610) 395-5119 Don B.

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This request presents a pretty weak thread to this group but I regard you as technicians, hence the question. I’ve been away from fishing for a few years now and have lost track of who mail orders rod building components. Please note that I’m interested in most everything except fly fishing components (including salt water spinning, conventional casting and class trolling to 130+). Any advice is appreciated … AW

Call these: Dale Clemmens Custom Tackle (615)395-5119 Custom Tackle Supply (615)684-6164 Anglers Workshop (360)225-9445

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This request presents a pretty weak thread to this group but I regard you as technicians, hence the question. I’ve been away from fishing for a few years now and have lost track of who mail orders rod building components. Please note that I’m interested in most everything except fly fishing components (including salt water spinning, conventional casting and class trolling to 130+). Any advice is appreciated … AW Just starting to make rods myself. I recently purchased "Crafting a Graphite Fly Rod" by Al Garcia of Frank Amato publications. Al has a section on sources for equipment and materials. B.

There are tons of suppliers, Cabella’s has a good catalogue for tackle craft. Thomas

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One of the most complete mail order rod component catologs that I have seen is put out by Cabela’s.  They put out a series of specialty catalogs.  The one that you need is called "Tackle Craft".  It has a complete spectrum of rod building supplies.  Call 800-237-4444. Mark

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Last month someone on this newsgroup posted an inquiry regarding where to find appropriately sized waders for children. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name/address of the poster. I believe I referred him/her to LL Bean, Cabela, or Damsel Fly. Yesterday I received a catalog from "The Global Flyfisher" in Northbrook, Illinois which lists "Fly Tech Youth Waders" which sound like exactly what this person was looking for. The listing in the catalog: "Finally, Fly Tech brings us an affordable neoprene youth wader! These youth waders have everything adult waders have. Made of 3.5mm Neoprene with a high back and adjustable suspenders. They have a large handwarmer pocket, padded knee pads, Hypalon soles, 3-D rings for accessories. Gravel guards and repair kit included. Brown." Comes in Small, Medium, and Large (they include a sizing chart). Price= $65.00 Phone: 800-457-7026 I have no ties to this company and have not seen the waders myself except in a picture, but I thought if the person was still out there looking for waders for their kid this might be the ticket.

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I’d like to hear a serious discussion of peripheral gear…waders and boots.  Let me start by telling those what I have found out then pose some questions.  Stocking foot waders seem to be more versatile than booted waders i.e. your stocking foots can go into your float tube fins for example and you have your choice of boots, felt sole for mossy bottom cleats for whatever. Neoprenes seem to have no use.  As someone who travels I need all the lightness and space I can get.  Even in the coldest Western stream I am toasty warm in plastic redball waders and sweet pants for insulation.  I use my waders protective socks made of neoprene that are designed to prevent chafing of the lightweight waders and keep gravel out with a cuff INSIDE my waders over my socks.  This keeps my feet warm and prevents me from feeling that bunched up sock and wader feeling that we all hate after walking around with all this gear on.  This negates the protection of the wader but really feels comfortable all day long.  If you have any other tips to share please post them.  Using this system of layering under thin waders I have put my neoprenes away forever.   My questions are do the Gortex fabrics that allow the wader to breath keep you drier inside on a hot day?  Do they really work as advertised?  My biggest problem is that sweaty clammy feeling from wearing a plastic bag all day.  Second, for those of you who have to hike in and pass through water to fish what do you do?  Feltsole boots are crappy hiking boots.  I’m thinking of forgetting the feltsoles and   trying hiking boots in my waders.   Anyone do this?  

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what do you do?  Feltsole boots are crappy hiking boots.  I’m thinking of forgetting the feltsoles and   trying hiking boots in my waders.   Anyone do this?

Hiking boots are crappy wading boots. If you step on a smooth, wet rock with rubber soled boots you might as well be wearing roller skates. Tight Lines Jay Whitworth

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Griz, Regarding you idea about using hiking boots with your waders, while I haven’t done that yet, I plan to. For years I used nothing but a three-ply (canvas, rubber,canvas) pair of hodgman’s hippers. I love them because they’re the toughest thing you can get for the money. However, i find as I stray farther from my home waters that I need chest waders, and I happened upon a going out of business sale and got a pair of neo. for $50. However, because the boots are so expensive and I’m so cheap, I thought about just going to a discount store and buying some fake leather hiking boots. Seems logical. I’ll tell you how they work when I get back from a trip to the west branch of the delaware in New York.  I’m looking forward to a heavy hendrikson hatch. grant

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Hi Grant, For years I used a pair of jungle boots purchased at a surplus store. All I had to do was glue indoor/outdoor carpet to the soles. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Article yesterday in Wash. Post said: Use chum, Use a fly that looks like chum (brown, about the size of a ping-pong ball) Go for it. Interesting article. — John Novotny        Witty and insightful comments deleted in deference to                         world peace.

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I live in Monmouth county N.J. and fish exclusively for striped bass on the fly rod.  If there is anyone out there with similar interest, respond!  I am always current on the latest info ( at least I think I am).  Anyone with tips, hot fishing, or just to BS about one of the best fishing quests one can undertake, respond.                   Tim Surgent —-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: Suggest you try just below the "Glory Hole," where Putah Creek exits Lake Berryessa, (that is to say, below the damn dam), fishing nymphs down and across the broken water, merrily, merrily.  Some years (10?) ago, I was fishing here in the rain on a cold day in midwinter, got skunked, but did see a lure-slinger  walking out with fish the size of my leg.  Wondered why he would kill such a fine trout, ‘less he was skared of it!  But I would be wary of anybody who tells you Putah Creek is a "Trophy Trout Stream."  It’s just the only semblance of a moving-water trout-type flyfishing option close-in to the Bay Area, and for that, I guess we must be grateful. Sorry to disagree but there are lots of folks (none tyros) who would classify Putah Creek a trophy fishery. Its a tailwater stream that holds many fish, many large, few  pushovers. I don’t know if that qualifies as a "trophy" fishery but it ain’t a muddy, put-and-take slough.

Last I heard, Putah was officially classified as a "Trophy Trout Stream" by the state of California.  This qualifies it for special environmental protection, and special fishing regs.  They stock "put and take" rainbows down in the Solano Lake end, and there is a resident population of browns and land locked steelhead living from the head of lake Solano to the dam at lake Berryessa.  I’ve never gotten one of the giants, but I’ve seen several trout over 25" there in the water.         Putah is an interesting creek.  From Berryessa to Solano it is a great peice of water.  Cold water, good oxygenation, nice holes large bouldered bottom providing plenty of pocket water.  Lake Solano is a big evaporation pond.  There is a dam at the lower end of the lake, and during the summer, in dry years, there is no flow from it.  I’ve found the stream below Solano bone dry in some summers.  In a wet year, the creek flows on and eventually spreads out and sinks into the ground in the middle of the Sacramento cosway.  When you drive from Davis to Sac across the cosway, look to your right across the rice fields.  There is a peculiar patch of trees and scrub.  That is the termination point of Putah creek!         It’s been a while since I lived in Cali, but Putah was my training ground.  Don’t badmouth it just because your not competent enough to catch any of the multitude of giant (but extremely selective) trout that live there. Enjoy this gift of nature and preserve it for future generations. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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writes: Suggest you try just below the "Glory Hole," where Putah Creek exits Lake Berryessa, (that is to say, below the damn dam), fishing nymphs down and across the broken water, merrily, merrily.  Some years (10?) ago, I was fishing here in the rain on a cold day in midwinter, got skunked, but did see a lure-slinger  walking out with fish the size of my leg.  Wondered why he would kill such a fine trout, ‘less he was skared of it!  But I would be wary of anybody who tells you Putah Creek is a "Trophy Trout Stream."  It’s just the only semblance of a moving-water trout-type flyfishing option close-in to the Bay Area, and for that, I guess we must be grateful.

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writes: Suggest you try just below the "Glory Hole," where Putah Creek exits Lake Berryessa, (that is to say, below the damn dam), fishing nymphs down and across the broken water, merrily, merrily.  Some years (10?) ago, I was fishing here in the rain on a cold day in midwinter, got skunked, but did see a lure-slinger  walking out with fish the size of my leg.  Wondered why he would kill such a fine trout, ‘less he was skared of it!  But I would be wary of anybody who tells you Putah Creek is a "Trophy Trout Stream."  It’s just the only semblance of a moving-water trout-type flyfishing option close-in to the Bay Area, and for that, I guess we must be grateful.

Sorry to disagree but there are lots of folks (none tyros) who would classify Putah Creek a trophy fishery. Its a tailwater stream that holds many fish, many large, few  pushovers. I don’t know if that qualifies as a "trophy" fishery but it ain’t a muddy, put-and-take slough.

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I hear Putah creek is a trophy trout stream.  I fished it about 1 month ago with some success on 18-20 prince nymphs.  I saw no fish over 8". Steam side brush made casting near impossible.  There were few pockets from which to cast from.  Wading was difficult due to the changing deapth of water and varying stream flows throughout the length of the creek starting just outside of Winters.  Does anyone know how and where to fish this water?

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