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I was in Wisconsin this past weekend doing allot of fishing with a buddy of mine. We started out on Fenner Lake at his cabin casting into lily pads and weedbeds for bass on Friday night. They were attacking my Dahlberg Diver but nothing of any substantial size was interested, just the little guys. They were allot of fun though. I’ll ask forgiveness now, I can’t recall any of the stream name, my friend was playing guide but the conditions were about the same on all the streams in the area. On Saturday we went to a little brook trout stream by his cabin and each landed one, but the fishing was real slow. The water was crystal clear and even 6x leaders were spooking them. We had to do allot of hanging over tall grasses and just dipping nymphs in to avoid spooking them. Later that day we hit another stream that was a bit wider and slower. The conditions were the same though. I managed to get one small brown but everything was getting spooked very easily. That evening we went back to the lake to go after pike. I was casting this monstrous streamer that was my buddies concoction. It was basically allot of orange and black fish hair with huge weighted eyes. We were casting to weedbeds right on drop offs. After about 50 casts I had a take, never having fished for pike on purpose the take caught me by surprise. Especially after swinging a 9wt around with that huge fly. I was slightly spellbound and pulled the rod tip up like I was catching a small trout, basically I didn’t set the hook. We saw his side as he turned on the fly. He looked pretty big but was only on for a minute. He’ll turn into my new "the one that got away" story. He was the only taker pike wise. I caught a few bass again and the biggest crappie I’ve ever seen. Now it gets rough. On Sunday we hit about 5 or 6 streams with no luck on any of them. The spook factor was worse than the day before. But on one stream we saw a small fish in his feeding lane. I cast a small hairs ear past him a dozen times and he didn’t spook at all, but didn’t seem interested. So I took my buddies rod, he was fishing a caddis emerger. Again we cast over him a dozen or so times without even an acknowledgement. So now wit our two rods, my buddy would change flies on one and I would cast the other. So we were just passing rods back and forth. After about 20 minutes of this we were getting pretty vindictive against this fish. We had already sent about 15 different flies by him. After about an hour we gave up. So in all my infinite wisdom I decided well I’m gonna at least scare the shit out of this bugger, and went charging up stream towards him. I got about 3 feet away and noticed we spent the last hour pulling our hair out trying to cast to a piece of seaweed drifting in the current. Talk about feeling dumb. We then proceeded to go back to his cabin and drank ourselves into a stupor. Oh well. Tim Apple

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After about an hour we gave up. So in all my infinite wisdom I decided well I’m gonna at least scare the shit out of this bugger, and went charging up stream towards him. I got about 3 feet away and noticed we spent the last hour pulling our hair out trying to cast to a piece of seaweed drifting in the current. Talk about feeling dumb. We then proceeded to go back to his cabin and drank ourselves into a stupor. Oh well. Tim Apple

You coulda done worse – you coulda caught it.  BTW, did it spook? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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"Timothy Apple" wrote //good report snipped//   . . .I got about 3 feet away and noticed we spent the last hour pulling our hair out trying to cast to a piece of seaweed drifting in the current. Talk about feeling dumb. We then proceeded to go back to his cabin and drank ourselves into a stupor. Oh well.

Several years ago I was fishing a stream in the smokies. I was near the mouth of the stream and saw these HUGE fish cruising slowy up and down the creek. I must have spent at least an hour throwing everything I had at them before I realized they were carp. Bob — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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I got about 3 feet away and noticed we spent the last hour pulling our hair out trying to cast to a piece of seaweed drifting in the current. Talk about feeling dumb.

That reminds me of partridge hunting (ruffed grouse to everyone else).  When you are looking for birds, every stump and rock looks like a bird. Pete Collin

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I’ll be in Sydney the end of Feb and should be able to manage at least one free day for fishing. I’ll be staying by Sydney Harbour near the Convention center. Any suggestions on where to go and what equipment to bring? Thanks. — Charlie…

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You might try this link, should give you all the info required. One of the members ( John Knight? ) used to subscribe here, perhaps he is still around? http://www.sydneyflyrodders.com.au/index.html TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Sydney the end of Feb and should be able to manage at least one free day for fishing. I’ll be staying by Sydney Harbour near the Convention center. Any suggestions on where to go and what equipment to bring? Thanks. — Charlie…

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You might try this link, should give you all the info required. One of the members ( John Knight? ) used to subscribe here, perhaps he is still around? http://www.sydneyflyrodders.com.au/index.html

Thanks, I did look there first. Not knowing the area, some of the places could be 30 minutes or 30 days away from where I will be<g. I do recall John but haven’t seen him post in a while. — Charlie…

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I figure tying your own pays around $3 per hour.  It has to be a labor of love.

Well, it is.  And flies tied with the local knowledge angle are nearly always better.  Way better. bruce h

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4. Green Butt Skunks (If you want you can collect about 3 dozen of these, from me, by looking at low hanging branchs on the Clackamas in OR)

Hehee…Christian, if you’re interested, I’ll work out a swap with you.  I’ll send you directions to a collection of great flies hanging on the BWO-eating Boxwood, which is right upstream of the Hendrickson-eating Hardwoods and slightly west of the Adams-eating Ash (not to be confused with the Cahill-chewing Conifer) directly across from the…. Zippy Who decorates trees year round regardless of which holiday season is in effect

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On the glow bugs, I was taught my Jeff at Kaufmanns how to do that and my is it easy.  You tie the material on just like you would bar bell eyes and wind your thread as tight as you can underneath the materia, getting it to stand up as straight as you canl.  Cut it to the desired length and presto it is a ball that wraps around the hook…neat as hell…(I guess you would have to see it done, but it is very easy) Padishar Creel — who ties all his own flies except those he buys and those that actually catch fish…<g

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. No synthetic material on those flies, no CDC, no foam. Bamboo rod built by hand in my garage. Horse hair leaders. No sinkers or strike indicators, ever. Silk line, no plastic allowed. Click-n-pawl reel; disc drag is an abomination. I always put the fish on the reel, no matter how small the fish. Dry flies only, fished upstream, thank you very much. My floatant is wind and wind alone. To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo. –Steve

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<quite right and me too , snipped I am a gear jingo.

BY JOVE ! I think he’s got it ! — Ken Fortenberry

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While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway

Same here.  The fish is the best judge IMHO. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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[snip] To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo.

Please keep this crap off of roff. There are streamer fishermen here who find it offensive. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. No synthetic material on those flies, no CDC, no foam. Bamboo rod built by hand in my garage. Horse hair leaders. No sinkers or strike indicators, ever. Silk line, no plastic allowed. Click-n-pawl reel; disc drag is an abomination. I always put the fish on the reel, no matter how small the fish. Dry flies only, fished upstream, thank you very much. My floatant is wind and wind alone. To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo. –Steve

Good one Steve but CDC is natural. Willi

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Good one Steve but CDC is natural.

Regardless. Clearly you are no gentleman –Steve

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I have tied about 200 flies for the SJ in January and they’ll all fit easily in one film container  Everything for that river is easy to tie except the tiny dries, which I usually buy.  $1.50 for a size 24 single adult midge seems like a bargain.  $1.50 for a UFO on the other hand… bruce h

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when i travel, i buy locally tied flies to support local tiers and also when i see patterns i don’t know that turn my crank…but i love to tie and i tie maybe 75-80% of my flies…a few of them I even tie well. Eugene Knapik Toronto

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have tied about 200 flies for the SJ in January and they’ll all fit easily in one film container  Everything for that river is easy to tie except the tiny dries, which I usually buy.  $1.50 for a size 24 single adult midge seems like a bargain.  $1.50 for a UFO on the other hand… bruce h

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

Common flies (e.g. wooly buggers, royal coachmen) can be purchased on eBay or from gofishin.com for around 50 cents each. More unusual ones go as high as 75 cents.  The same White Wulffs I paid $2.75 each for at a fly shop were 75 cents on eBay. Frogs, mice, crabs, big streamers are a little more (around $1.25). I figure tying your own pays around $3 per hour.  It has to be a labor of love. Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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Bruiser– I’m thinking of getting into tying  just save a little on foam humpies, foam black ants  and midges. Your note sounds as if midges {24} are difficult and you perfer to buy.  If I am reading you right–why are midges harder to tie if you use some type of  magnifier?Indian Joe

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Bruiser– I’m thinking of getting into tying  just save a little on foam humpies, foam black ants  and midges. Your note sounds as if midges {24} are difficult and you perfer to buy.  If I am reading you right–why are midges harder to tie if you use some type of  magnifier?Indian Joe

When tying the same pattern, small flies are much more difficult, IMO. There is very little room on the shank of the hook and a very light touch is needed. It isn’t just seeing what you are doing. Your fingers are VERY large when tying a size 24 fly. Willi

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I tie my own flies and only fish with flies I tied. … … To do anything less or anything different would be ungentlemanly. I am a gear jingo.

Steve, I have some cork, a natural product, should you ever run out. FiddleAway

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IJ,  What I meant was, I buy the tiny dries (except maybe comparadun and griffiths) and tie all the nymphs and emergers, which are super easy once you get the hang of it.  Yes I use magnification. The little dries, like tiny parachute adams, bwo parachute, and single adult midge patterns are impossible for me. bruce h

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While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway

true with me as well…I don’t catch many fish whether they’re my own or store bought!

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

I do both. I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

I’m not sure of your point (or question).  The only way to get better is practice, but if you don’t want to get better (or even tie, and there’s nothing wrong with either), I see nothing "wrong" with buying. If you only use a few flies of "quite (a) few..patterns," you’re probably better off cost-wise in buying them, esp. if they are patterns that utilize the more-expensive materials.  IMO, tying is more a related "hobby" as opposed to a cost-saving measure (there are a few exceptions).  Plus, it gives you a good, relatively inexpensive excuse to frequent fly shops in that you truly are buying essential FF’ing items – whether you buy ‘em or tie ‘em, you gotta have ‘em. TC, R

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

While it’s true that most of the flies I tie wouldn’t win any prizes, the fish don’t seem to give a damn. FiddleAway

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I tie all my flies except in these situations: 1. I do not have the materials ( I have been collecting alot of material so this does not happen often ) 2. I have never tied that fly, but hear it’s the ‘go to’ fly for my next fishing adventure. I’ll buy one to copy. 3. Egg patterns ( I have not figured out glo-bugs and I’m not pouring plastics) Flies I really enjoy tying: 1. Soft Hackles (that and they work great) 2. Balsa wood bass poppers 3. Spun deer hair flies Flies I end up tying most of the time: 1. Soft Hackles 2. Adams 3. Wolly Buggers 4. Green Butt Skunks (If you want you can collect about 3 dozen of these, from me, by looking at low hanging branchs on the Clackamas in OR)

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I tie virtually all my own flies and love doing so, there are occasions in the peak of the season where I am unable to keep up and need to restock from commercial supplies. Clark Guided Flyfishing in paradise! http://www.dryflynz.cjb.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tie most flys I use often, like bead heads and wooly buggers..I buy most dries, i’m not a very good tyer. Tim Apple Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies? I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

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I tie most flys I use often, like bead heads and wooly buggers..I buy most dries, i’m not a very good tyer. Tim Apple

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Do you guys tend to buy or tie your own flies?

Personally, I tie my own. I do a bit of both, but seems like I buy quite of few of the patterns that I can’t create worth a damn.

I buy one as an example to take home as an aid so that I can tie my own. I have this thing about not fishing with flies I didn’t tie myself.  I seldom use flies that were either bought or given to me by a friend unless I am totally out of the pattern and have nothing that will substitute. When I met Lou Teletski in Yellowstone we had a little "mini-fly swap" which was pretty cool.  It was fun seeing some of the patterns I have heard many of the ROFFians back east talk about that are not popular out here.  I stuck the flies in my collection of patterns, which I keep as examples, and have since tied a few of my own duplicates.  It is kind of nice doing it this way because you always have the original example pattern and still get the pleasure of tying/using your own flies.  The more I practice, the better the pattern turns out and eventually I can make a halfway decent replica. — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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Harry Mason: For one thing the big bugs show the mistakes in a much larger format  :-) Proportion is displayed in all its glaring reality much more in larger bugs. One can cheat on big flies.

Don’t you mean "one can NOT cheat on big flies"?  After receiving a book on Carrie Stevens, I went out and bought all the feathers and stuff to tie her flies.  Boy, do little mistakes show up as big ones when you are tying a size 2  8x.  I am keeping the 1st Grey Ghost and Rapid River that I have tied. Hopefully, somewhere down the line, I will improve, especially with the proportions.  But, right now, I am struggling.  I want these to be perfect, and I doubt I have the knowledge/skill at this point. Dave LaCourse

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Anything with knotted Pheasant tail legs. I have to have a few Islay malts first. Maybe that’s the problem.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a  number of reasons, but…… What six bugs would you  like  to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ?  I’ll start… 1   Royal Wullf 2   Kauffman stones 3   small humpy 4   no hackles 5   prince….my fav 6   muddler style flies Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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When I go on an extended trip, I always take along my tieing gear. When I get there (wherever) there always seems to be one fly or another  that’s hot that week, and it’s usually something I don’t have in my 500+ on-hand.   The question is generally, "Do I want to tie flies, or do I want to fish?"   Since I usually fish from dawn to dusk, I end up buying them, regardless of how easy they may be to tie. There’s nothing that I buy instead of tie because of the difficulty. That doesn’t mean mine will turn out as well, however… As a germane aside, my sister is an expert fly tier, as well as an excellent fly fisher.  She tied every evening for years, while watching t.v., tackling some of the most difficult for the challenge.   Then her house burned up in the Oakland fire and she lost over 4,000 unfished flies.   The insurance comany tried to pay her for the hooks, feathers, etc., but finally did settle up for replacement value. Max Before you buy.

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I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a  number of reasons, but…… What six bugs would you  like  to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ?

I’m pretty new at this tying thing, so for me it comes down to anything with hackle, anything with wings, and anything with dubbing.  :-)   I’m getting better, though (I’ve just about got this GRW thing <g). Joe F.

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What six bugs would you  like  to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ?  

spun deer hair flies microfibbet tails extended bodied mayflies Mu

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How ’bout #20 Tricos?  I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me…  I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!  

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Mike;   I found a few tyers like that in England.  Incredible flies at a great price.  Unfortunately, I’m pretty tight-fisted right now and can’t buy a fly unless I’m using it as a model.  Flies that I would rather have made  -    Tupp’s Indespensible (I don’t have a good source for a ram’s (tupp) scrotum hairs.    Frank’s Fightin’ Craw – I get tired when I’m on the 60th fly of the evening.  Can’t we just ship them off to Thailand for production?    Classic salmon flies – I got to sit down and watch Poul Jorgensen tie at a Partridge of Redditch event for 2 hours.  It was awesome.  I tried to replicate his efforts and felt woefully inadequate.    First flies on the new water – need model flies to figure out the pattern.  What does a White Miller Caddis look like if you’ve never seen it and have to get ready for the hatch?    Burnt wing flies – you know how many decent wings I’ve torched trying to do this?  You know what this smells like?    "The fly that the guy at the bottom of the pool is cleaning up with while I’m being skunked."  If some one came along the bank and said "hey, want what he’s using?  20 bucks!"  I would be on him like buzzards on the renderin’ wagon.  Its a testosterone thing.  Why did you buy that new Ford 350 pick’em-up wid da V-8 and when your wife would have been happy with a new Ford Focus?  Its a testosterone thing.  Why do you have tools in your work room that most people just rent?  Its a testosterone thing.  Why do you wanna jump Anna Nichole Smith’s bones?  Hell with testosterone, if you don’t you be dead.               Frank "stream of conciousness" Reid Before you buy.

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How ’bout #20 Tricos?  I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me…  I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!

______  Probably kidnapped and raped by real Tricos.  Those little bugs are real gang bangers. Those little suckers can catch you the largest trout of your life on a dry Ian.  I wish we could get together on a river or three I have in mind regarding these little devils. It is perhaps the most exciting kind of dry fly fishing any man could hope for, my friend. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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For me, anything smaller that 18, I would rather buy, my ole eyes can’t take it much any more.  I love fishing the tiny fly in the tiny stream. chris

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I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a  number of reasons, but…… What six bugs would you  like  to purchase because you find tying them a hassle or time consuming or both or what ever ?    I’ll start… 1   Royal Wullf 2   Kauffman stones 3   small humpy 4   no hackles 5   prince….my fav 6   muddler style flies Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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1.  Dave’s Hopper, 2. Dave’s Hopper…6. Dave’s Hopper Lou

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Those of us that do tye and there lots of reasons not to  :-) do have patterns that we just hate . Clipped  Deer hair seems to head the list. Small bugs are intimidating to some but IMO they can and usually are a  easier to build than the big ones. For one thing the big bugs show the mistakes in a much larger format  :-) Proportion is displayed in all its glaring reality much more in larger bugs. One can cheat on big flies. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How ’bout #20 Tricos?  I bought a bunch from Trout Fitters in Fergus. The things are so small, I had one sitting here on my desk, and it just disappeared on me…  I have never had any success with them mind you, but they sure are neat to look at!  

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<< I know we all would rather tye our flies than buy them for a  number of reasons, but…… I guess I am an odd duck in the world of fly fishing but I hate tying flies.  I love building rods and wrapping the guides but fly tying drives me nuts.   For years I forced myself to tie due to the high prices in the fly shops but I finally found a store that sells high quality flies for .50 each.  For the first time in years, my fly box is full of dry flys of every size shape and color.  I have enjoyed fishing this a lot more because I don’t go through the pre-trip tying grind. So I guess my vote is for all of them. Mike

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Easy, anything with stacked, compressed and clipped deer hair.  I hate spinning and clipping deer hair – the fly usually ends up looking like shit.  I can never get it compressed enough without bending the hook or breaking something and when I clip it, it looks like it just lost a fight with a chainsaw. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I am the north west end of town (Champions Forest). Is there any fishing within 20 mile distance. Thank you.

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I am the north west end of town (Champions Forest). Is there any fishing within 20 mile distance.

You really picked the wrong part of the planet for fly fishing local waters. That said, technically within youi 20 mile radius: Buffalo Bayou, Cypress Creek, Spring Creek, Lake Woodlands. The far west end of Lake Houston and the WF San Jacinto River [canoeable] Bane Park has a perch pond that I occassionally go to harrass sunfish. There is an artificial set of ponds near the Galleria at Richmond/Post Oak. I haven’t not fished White Oak Bayou much inside the loop, but did hookup with a fairly decent 24" carp once in the concrete channel above some riprap.   Accessing White Oak is probably best accomplished by Bicycle. That said, I’m moving to Conroe!     Nyah!

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I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian

Check out Sespe Creek behind Ventura.  Fishermen’s Spot in Van Nuys can direct you.  Surf fishing for perch ani’t to bad either…

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I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian

  You might try looking at the downey fly fishers page http://www.pacificnet.net/~jas/dff.htm they have monthly trips and fish reports that can be helpful john aydelotte

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian   You might try looking at the downey fly fishers page http://www.pacificnet.net/~jas/dff.htm they have monthly trips and fish reports that can be helpful john aydelotte

There are atleast six trout streams that are less than a two hour drive from downtown LA, that have sections where wild trout are protected by special regulations. Regulations vary, but typically include, artifical lures, barbless hooks, and 2 to 0 take limits, on the protected portions of the streams.  The fish are typically not very large but suprisingly, abundant, and do take flies. There are also many lesser known spots without special regulations hidden away in the mountains arround LA. The protected streams I am refering to are: Bear Creek, Deep Creek, Piru Creek, San Antonio Creek, Sespe Creek, and the West Fork of the San Gabriel River. These are typically, small streams with alot of tree cover. But each one offers more fishing that you can cover in a day. Unlike the streams in the sierras, these streams are open to fishing year round. There are FFF clubs all arround the LA area, you might want to check out the one in your area. — David V. Green WWW.GreenFly Culver City,  CA

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I just moved to Los Angeles and I’m desperately looking for some rivers to fish on the weekends. If anyone could suggest some rivers to check out, I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you, Brian

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

Unfortunately, I don’t clean my lines as often as I should.  When they no longer fit through the guides, I know I’ve got too much crud on them. Seriously, the cheapest way to actually clean a fly line (in my opinion) is to wash it in a tub with soapy water.  Then, rinse in clean water and wipe dry.  That deals with the cleaning issue.  Keeping a line conditioned is another matter.  I have purchased a lot of lines over the years and have a desk drawer full of the line conditioners that come with the fly lines.  I use these for the most part…just because I have them, they work and I haven’t found a need to purchase anything else.  I’ve also used Armor All (sp??) on lines at times and it seems to work…but I’ve not checked with any of the line manufacturers about it.  Perhaps someone can tell me if I’m doing any damage to the lines with it.  It sure helps with my shooting line in terms of decreasing friction and adding to the length of my casts. Barry Brown

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   I like Bon Ami, a sponge and a bucket of warm water. When the line is dry run some Russ Peaks over it. Like new till it gets dirty again.     On the water I use those abrasive pads sold by SA fo rcleaning lines. They’re great for a couple of times then they get all gunky.    -Ralph what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

Ralph and Lisa Cutter. California School of Flyfishing http:www/flyline.com  /v/                             /v/

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line?

By default, I use Glide.  It’s all the two local shops sell. Does anyone still sell the "Greased Lightening" line cleaner?  I don’t even see it in the catalogs anymore.

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I have been using that Scientific Anglers stuff.  It has a small cleaning pad and then some goop to put on the line.  It seems to work very well although the cleaning pads get dirty very quickly.  BTW, the Orvis line cleaning kit is exactly the same as the Scientific Anglers one. MikeH

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what is the best way to clean line?  I use Wilson Creek the night before I go Fishing.  I can not handle my line not flowing through the rod when I am mending a drift.  What do other people do to clean line? By default, I use Glide.  It’s all the two local shops sell. Does anyone still sell the "Greased Lightening" line cleaner?  I don’t even see it in the catalogs anymore.

There is some new stuff by Tiemco that is really slick. Russ Peak line dressing has been popular for years. Many use Mucilin paste. I would first wash the line in mild soap, Ivory liquid, and dry it, if it is really dirty. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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(sp??) on lines at times and it seems to work…but I’ve not checked with any of the line manufacturers about it.  Perhaps someone can tell me if I’m doing any damage to the lines with it.  It sure helps with my shooting line in terms of decreasing friction and adding to the length of my casts. Barry Brown

Barry and Others: Armor-All is a repolymerizer, and yes, does well to protect your Vinyl lines.  However, it is an emulsion and the emulsifiers stay on the line. This allows the stuff to be washed off the line when you use it in water.  A better formulation is the Blue Coral non-aqueous stuff with "Fomblin".  It repells water and helps you line float like a cork. Nothing shoots line like this stuff and nothing lasts longer. Jason Beary

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I will be in Anchorage 1 – 4 Aug 96.  I have two choices. First choice is floating down Lake Creek and fishing for Silvers.  Second choice is fishing the Keni. I am the only flyfisher in the bunch and my partners have no idea what type of fly I should be tying.  I need to start tying now so any suggestions on patterns and sizes would be apprecitated.   Thanks,         John

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I will be in Anchorage 1 – 4 Aug 96.  I have two choices. First choice is floating down Lake Creek and fishing for Silvers.  Second choice is fishing the Keni. I am the only flyfisher in the bunch and my partners have no idea what type of fly I should be tying.  I need to start tying now so any suggestions on patterns and sizes would be apprecitated.   Thanks,        John

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx John…. I have been up in Anchorage several time at an area called Bulchitna. It is a lake and stream  on a tributary (sp) of Lake creek.  August may be just a little ealy for silvers, but if you want some good fishing and if the silvers are up, I would go to Bulchitna.  You can get a cabin on the lake (rustic cabin), with the stream 50 yards behind the cabin.  Lots of Pinks, rainbows, grayling, and silver (when running), and pike in the lake.  Call Craig Ketchum of Ketchum Air Service.  I don’t have the number with me right now, but they have an 800 number which you can get from the 800 operator.  Just as for Ketchum Air Service in Anchorage. Ketchum has lots of places they will fly you out to.  You can fish from 5:30am til 10:30pm.  I know that for a fact.  Who eats when you can fish! Contact me for more info. Russ….

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I will be in Anchorage 1 – 4 Aug 96.  I have two choices. First choice is floating down Lake Creek and fishing for Silvers.  Second choice is fishing the Keni. I am the only flyfisher in the bunch and my partners have no idea what type of fly I should be tying.  I need to start tying now so any suggestions on patterns and sizes would be apprecitated.   Thanks,         John

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I will be in Anchorage 1 – 4 Aug 96.  I have two choices. First choice is floating down Lake Creek and fishing for Silvers.  Second choice is fishing the Keni. I am the only flyfisher in the bunch and my partners have no idea what type of fly I should be tying.  I need to start tying now so any suggestions on patterns and sizes would be apprecitated.   Thanks,        John

I’d tie wooly buggers, egg-sucking leeches, large egg patterns, and flashy streamers on 1/0 to #4 hooks.  The best all-around fly in Alaska is probably the egg sucking leech in purple/Iliamna pinky.   BTW you didn’t ask but: Lake Creek float trip = nice wilderness experience, some mild whitewater, (WW1 – WW3) and good fishing.  There will be some , grayling, RBTs and some tired Kings.  It might be a bit early for Silvers in the upper river but you should run into them in the lower part. Kenai = lots of people, (although the King Salmon crowds are gone) and Aug. 1 – 4 is too early for Kenai Silvers.  They hit their stride in early September.  May be some late run Reds around in the upper drainages, (albeit a bit tired.) R. Wood in Alaska

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I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?

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who cares ?

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 who cares ?

One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

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writes:  who cares ? Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

Snags and bottom-feeders. — -Wayne Trzyna

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writes:  who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

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Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.

When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is: a self-serving, evil man. — -Wayne Trzyna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Newt may not be the smoothest of  characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.  When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich  has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is:  a self-serving, evil man.  –  -Wayne Trzyna

Wayne, are you discribing Newt or Rush? It’s not the selling of Public Lands that concern me as much as a possible roll-back of the clean air act that will effect both Public and Private Fisheries. Misha

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University Why don’t you girls take this CRAP to the proper forum…this isn’t the place for petty politics.

Moreover, it isn’t the place for sexist comments.  Have some respect, Donald. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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what was said

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Face it,  if we are going to "hog tie", Hillbilly Bill would only have stumps remaining for extremities!!  Mr. Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.    We may not all agree with the decisions being made concerning the environment but more can be done on a grass roots level to maintain our rivers than anything our now bankrupt Uncle Sam could or can ever do!

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Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

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 Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the  truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt  flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

Grenades into the Hatcheries is more like it.. A Pinko-Liberal Misha

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Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

I hope this time you forgot about catch and release. I expect that Gingrich was looking to dynamite some trout, before anyone could complain about his PAC donors dumping cyanide-laced mine tailings in the creek.  Anybody who can make Bob Dole appear a decent human being by comparison IS all bad. Catch and do the right thing,                                 Phil Holt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

db, Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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the fisherman expressed his displeasure with Newt.  He stated that Newt is mean spirited.  He also stated that the water he was fishing in would be poluted soon if the the "clean water" standards proposed by Newt’s buddies is passed.  Sounds fair to me.      Newt was a gentleman.  His response " He obviously is not from new Hampshire.  I hope that he catches some fish."      He was a teacher from Vermont.

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: I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich : was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got : an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?    He was a Pinko-Liberal teacher from Vermont who’s afraid of the TRUTH.   Tallyho !   Alphs Kilo

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I think the puke was on the bank, not in the river…..

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

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I care.  Newt was instrumental in pushing HR961, the Dirty Water Bill through the house.  He needed an earfull and more……

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All this talk of newt makes me dis-in-Gingriched… Dan Foster

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

Did the guy get out of the river to say it, or is yelling over water better ?   Harry

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 who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

I believe this event happened up on the Androscoggin in Errol, between the Gauge House pool (below the Errol Dam) and the Rt 26 bridge (one of my favorite stretches to spend an afternoon going after ‘bows, browns, and landlockers). The honors went to a  flyfisher from Vermont (figures – it surely wouldn’t have been anyone from Cow Hampster – who’d likely not bother to stop fishing long enough to give a Newt the time of day ;^)… When I read this story I couldn’t help but smile… <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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 Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain  pond a few weeks back!

You should have placed him on a hook. You may not have caught anything, but the satisfaction of putting Newt on a hook would have been worth it.;-) But then Newts are a protected species isn’t it? Tight Lines Misha

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: I live in Downriver Detroit and love to travel to No. Mich. to fly fish : for trout.  Unfortunately, it appears my travel budget will be seriously : curtailed this summer.  Does anyone out there know of good streams or : lakes in the metro area that are wader-accessible?  Fish species are : unimportant.  Also, any guidance on flies for warmwater species will be : appreciated.   You live in one of the most lake-besotted states in the union! There are *scores* of good fishing lakes in your neighborhood. Go to a large bookstore or DNR office and get a copy of the book "Fishing in Michigan". It lists scores of lakes with details of access, location, species and so forth. For warmwater flies, think pink and green. I have caught tons of panfish on a variety of nymphs, wooly buggers and even tiny 1/32 oz pink jigs. Some folks tie a bit of hackle to these so it looks more like flyfishing My favorite and one of my most successful for ‘gills and crappie has been a sort of scud tied as follows: #12-14 3906 thread: tan body: light beige dubbing shell: three pieces of flashabou- one green and two iridescent rib: copper wire- about #36. Tie in the wire and flashabou strands. Dub on body. Pull flashabou forwards and tie off. Rib with wire and tie off. For bass, I like big deer hair mice and a sort of worm tied from a zonker strip (about 3-4" long) and some maribou on a #2 hook. –mike

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Paint Creek in Rochester. The Huron River out by Proud Lake Rec Area (this is already open, flys only- and when ya get done, you can go XC skiing- supposed to snow 2 night…doncha jus love Mich?…).

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I live in Downriver Detroit and love to travel to No. Mich. to fly fish for trout.  Unfortunately, it appears my travel budget will be seriously curtailed this summer.  Does anyone out there know of good streams or lakes in the metro area that are wader-accessible?  Fish species are unimportant.  Also, any guidance on flies for warmwater species will be appreciated.   Paul Wise

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I have recently thought of trying to fish with fly gear.   What is a good way for me to try this sport without breaking the bank?

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* Le 01-05-95, JIM E. BECKER exprimait . ALL le propos suivant: JE JEI have recently thought of trying to fish with fly gear.   JEWhat is a good way for me to try this sport without breaking the bank? – First go to a local fly shop. They are the best source of advice. – Then try to get some lessons or rent the equipment to try it out (you will have to buy the flies though). But be aware that once you start you won’t be able to stop. I guess it should be classified has one of the incurable but  non-fatal disease…   Hope this help. Au plaisir de vous lire, Denis Lamy Trois-Rivieres (Quebec, Canada) ~~~ * VbReader 2.2 #67 * Veni, vidi, visa (Je suis venu, j’ai vu, j’ai paye)

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