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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave <snipped Dave

Thanks Dave.  Great TR. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Great reports Dave. I enjoyed every one. Darin

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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave

<snipped excellent TR I was waiting for the last TR in this series, but each one was poetic, concise, and informative. Thanks for taking the time to write them for us unfortunates that missed the party. Hopefully, next year. . . — TL, Tim

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Well you ole pirate had a good time did ye?? TR were fantastic read them all. No pirates in bvd siteings this time around?? Have a good trip to Lakewood .                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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"Dave LaCourse" wrpte //great report snipped// Let’s do it again next year.  I won’t worry about snow and cold weather, and I’ll rent a Toyota. Eat your heart out, Ken.  You missed a good one. Thanks, Warren, Paul, John, and Jeffie. Dave

Marvelous reports, Dave. I enjoyed reading them and have filed them away in case I ever get out there. Bob

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Thanks for the great set of reports Dave.

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Rock Trout writes:

<snip Hey, "Bouncer".  LOL.  He probably got you confused with Bruiser. Thanks, new friend, for all that you did to make it a great clave.  I learned a lot by being in your boat for two days.   I need your address so I can send the flag.  Montana or Colorado? Send it by e-mail to Get rid of the pirate. Dave

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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave …….

Terrific reports Dave.  Glad you all had a good time…. and that the forces of law and order were not unduly taxed this time round…. ROFFians must be getting old . BTW, does anyone know a free news server that gets ROFF and allows posting?  The ones I’ve tried so far are good for one or the other, but not both. JR

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BTW, does anyone know a free news server that gets ROFF and allows posting?  The ones I’ve tried so far are good for one or the other, but not both.

news.cis.dfn.de does. (Go to http://news.cis.dfn.de/ to sign up). — Charlie…

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year. Big Dale

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year.

Wish you could have been there too BD. Guess what, I won your flies again (3rd time so far!). I gave some to IJ for his bream ponds, and we will each put them to good use. — Charlie…

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BTW, does anyone know a free news server that gets ROFF and allows posting?  The ones I’ve tried so far are good for one or the other, but not both. news.cis.dfn.de does. (Go to http://news.cis.dfn.de/ to sign up).

That is the one I use. However, it does not get any of the binary groups. So if you want to see the pretty pictures of the big Brook Trout that the guys have posted you’ll have to find another way. FWIW, Russell

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again (3rd time so far!). I gave some to IJ for his bream ponds, and we will each put them to good use. —

I guess next time I should cut out the middleman and just mail them to you. Hope you have been catching a bunch of bluegill with them. Big Dale

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year.

Make sure Indian Joe doesn’t keep the painting you won in the raffle!

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That is the one I use. However, it does not get any of the binary groups. So if you want to see the pretty pictures of the big Brook Trout that the guys have posted you’ll have to find another way.

Tera News (http://www.teranews.com/) gets binaries and allows posting. There’s a small one time fee to sign up and after that it’s free, but I haven’t found it to be that reliable – at least at that service level. There are other subscription rats that might be better. — Charlie…

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again (3rd time so far!). I gave some to IJ for his bream ponds, and we will each put them to good use. — I guess next time I should cut out the middleman and just mail them to you. Hope you have been catching a bunch of bluegill with them.

Maybe that would be easier. <g When they announced what the next prize was going to be and I heard they were your flies, I just automatically got up and, sure enough, my number was drawn. — Charlie…

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year. Make sure Indian Joe doesn’t keep the painting you won in the raffle!

Indian Joe replies–Will get the painting to Big Dale as promised–how about telling him some background of this artwork. Hope the frame Dale uses will hide the pinholes it has developed  when attached to my wall while awaiting shipment.

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Great reports Dave. I enjoyed every one. Darin

Darin, where were you this year?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rock Trout writes: <snip Hey, "Bouncer".  LOL.  He probably got you confused with Bruiser. Thanks, new friend, for all that you did to make it a great clave.  I learned a lot by being in your boat for two days.   I need your address so I can send the flag.  Montana or Colorado? Send it by e-mail to Get rid of the pirate. Dave

With these reports, if they ever do HF again, most of ROFF will show up. Great job, old boy – see ya in a few weeks. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave My last day at the clave was spent alone.  Jeffie, Charlie, and Joe invited me to fish the Madison, but I had chores to do.  I would arrive home on Thursday and my wife’s birthday is on Friday.  I needed to buy some gifts.  I went to West Yellowstone to shop. Upon returning to the HF area, out of curiosity, I stopped at the dam.  There was a drift boat and several guys wading at the pool directly below the dam.  I parked in the put-in area and fished upstream.  I immediately got into a nice bow of about 16 inches, using a fly Bruiser had tied for me.  I fished for about an hour and landed another bow before leaving for lunch.   After lunch I found an easy trail down to the Box Canyon, much better than the shear drop at the camp ground.  It was tough wading because of a strong current and slippery rocks.  I threw all the "favorites" without a strike, managing to lose several flies to rocks, and Bruisers special home brew to a tree!  Damn! I remember Warren saying that a yellow stone fly works well in this water. Fortunately I had *one*.   Within minutes I had a nice bow on, and then another.  But, the current was getting to me.  So, rather than do a complete Full Reid with a half twist, I carefully waded ashore and returned to my car.   The water where Paul Morrison first put in for our first float seemed like a good spot to fish.  So, I drove to the put-in and fished for another hour or so, releasing a couple of whitefish and one bow.  It was a pretty good day considering I had no intention of fishing when I left the cabin. Some observations and conclusions: 1.      The Isuzu Trooper ain’t a very good suv.   Dan’l called it the Excuse You Pooper. <G 2.      The roads in Idaho and Montana are very well maintained and can handle the posted high speeds (65 in Idaho, 70 in Montana).  However, the rumble strips in Idaho are very close to the edge.  If you fall asleep and the car runs over the strip, you will have just enough time to open your eyes before you hit the trees!  <G 3.      There are no children in Last Chance. 4.      I never got to fish with Warren, RW, Bruiser, or Willi.  Perhaps next time.   5.      Paul Morrison and his wife Tammy are fun people.  Tammy is an absolute sweetheart.  These two kids are in love!  I would have been lost without them. Paul is a great boatman and got Charlie, Joe and me into some nice fish. 6.      John Hightower is a very talented man, easy going, and easy to like. He handled his handmade boat with ease (or so it seemed).  His wife Linda is a sweetheart, can handle a fairly big land yacht, and makes wonderful coffee. Let’s do it again next year.  I won’t worry about snow and cold weather, and I’ll rent a Toyota. Eat your heart out, Ken.  You missed a good one. Thanks, Warren, Paul, John, and Jeffie. Dave

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The "real" answer would of course come from what kind of race would they run?  A sprint would of course favor the lighter/quicker boat. Unless of course I could get my mitts on that Champ.  Give me the same amount of money the guy spent on the Yamahammer and I could make that 203 leave him gagging on exhaust fumes from the start.  (Hello, Mr. Raypair?) Given the situation, I’d much rather prefer the 203 over the Skeet, tournament situations dictate performance over sometimes less than pristine conditions, and that 203 will leave the Skeet in rough water every time. But that’s what makes horse races fun to watch, right?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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I would bet on the 250 for the hole shot and up to maybe 4000 RPM.  4-5000 would probably be a wash.  The tweeked 150 would probably get it’s extra horsepower via RPM and at top end, it wins.  Remember a horseposer is 550 pounds moved 1 foot in one second.  So It is a function of torque times RPM. The torque is greater on the bigger engine, but the RPM is lower for the same torque on a bigger engine. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to be the devil’s advocate, I would have to say that this question is unanswerable. There are too many variables. Horsepower and weight alone don’t provide enough information. What about the power curve and torque output? But, if I was betting, I’d bet on the 150hp tuned to 250hp… — Citizen Fisherman If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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Craig, You would need a little more information bubba. It would depend on several factors before I could make a judgment. First, what 150 would you start with, and compared to what 250? Some 150’s lend themselves to modification better than others.  "Porting" and "Polishing" is a misleading term with a two stroke engine.  Example: a chrome bore Merc is really difficult to do much port work with, while a Yamaha does lend itself greatly to machine work. I’ve gotten close to 250 out of both Mercs and Yamahas, and they were two completely different motors in the way they ran.  Just judging them on bottom end acceleration from a dead stop, the Yamaha would have eaten the Merc alive, but the Merc would have caught it soon enough. What hull you put these motors on would again make a big difference, the cubic inches and power curve built into the stock ECU’s of the 250’s would probably lend themselves to a quicker hole shot, but again a hard call to make sitting here. Now, if it were me, and I had that "150" on a light 17′ boat which was rated for that 150, we’ve got something that works pretty well….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The hush project from Harley is the new V-Rod engine.  It went public this summer. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Warren my man, Bass & Walleye had an article last year, and I will try and find it (month) about porting and polishing a 150 and with that alone it was pushing close to 225 hp., and they said with one more simple thing – and I can’t remember off the top of my head, it would be pushing 235 hp.  I was told that 300 hp wouldn’t be possible. But I was also told by this same mechanic that a 250 could be made to push 500 hp or more.  I won’t mention this gentleman’s name, but he was part of the Jeff Gordon’s Race Team and now is working on a hush project for Harley Davison and his brother is a member of this NG.  As I was told, if you can dream it, he can make it a reality (if you have enoough money!) — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The stock boat would probably be stronger out of the hole. RichZ

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Hello, I recently was in my local K-Mart and checked out the fishing section, while I would find little use in ,most of the products they sell I did find what I precieve to be a bargain. I found Scientific Anglers AirCel Supreme2  WF-6 and-7-  F/S  wet tip III lines for $10.00 each, the orignal price was $36.00 so I picked up two 7wts. and one 6wt.

Those were a bargain, unless they had been ‘cooking’ in the back of the store for years. Don’t tinker with them: you’ll end up spoiling perfectly good lines. Here on UK stillwaters we use sink tips when we need to get wet flies and nymphs down a foot or three deeper than could be achieved with a full floater. Sink tips aren’t quite as sweet to cast as floaters (or even full sinking lines), but they are handy to have in the armoury. You might find them useful for getting nymphs down a bit in faster/deeper streams. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Hello, I recently was in my local K-Mart and checked out the fishing section, while I would find little use in ,most of the products they sell I did find what I precieve to be a bargain. I found Scientific Anglers AirCel Supreme2  WF-6 and-7-  F/S  wet tip III lines for $10.00 each, the orignal price was $36.00 so I picked up two 7wts. and one 6wt. My questions are has anybody used this line in the sink tip much, I have never used a sink tip and if it would be better to have a top of the line (line) I would use the three I have to trade w/friends and purchase a higher quality line. Does this line have a stiff finish (AirCell)  also my last question is about what line wt. to use, I have a fast 6.wt. and the directions say to use a line wt. heavier if you want to trim the 10ft. tip into say a 6ft. I find a floater is just fine for the majority of my fishing but there are times when a sink tip would be good, Does the weight then come from the tip itself? and if I trimmed back a 6wt. line would it be too light to load easily? if anybody can help please reply I just know $10.00 either way is worth it I have a new S.A. catalog and do not see the old lines anymore and have never had an older catalog so I am not famaliar w/ this product. Thanks…

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My WF4F line is a $10 SA from kmart. nice dull green color, handles well. I like it. There’s the chance it will wear out sooner than a high dollar line, but at $10, just get another one! Since a WF line has most of its weight at the sharp end, cutting 5′ of the sinking section off should have a noticeable effect on how it casts, plus, you will lose the tapered section. But, if you feel like experimenting, all you are risking is $10. Personally, I would leave it as is, at least for the time being. Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyo.

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Good Deal. I have used the same line for a couple of seasons in 6& 8 wt. (but I don’t use sink tips all that much anyway)  It is shorter than I’m use to … About 85 ft  I think.  I have found it easy casting and long casting.  It is much better than some Cortland sink tips I’ve used.   I think I purchased the lines for about $20 a few years back on a closeout and they are worth every penny! I use the same wt line as the rod and I think I have cut one of these lines back to 8′ with no problem.  If the line is like mine it is a fairly slow sink tip (although the box states fast 1.50"-2" per second) and doesn’t overload the way some of the other sink tips do.  I suspect the sinking portion on this line is accomplished more by it’s small tip diameter than extra weight. I use SA Mastery Bonefish lines mostly but this line is quite similar to SA Ultra with regard to stiffness and feel.  It also works fine in cold weather with little memory. I wish our Kmart’s carried the stuff.  My good find lately was at a Wal-Mart.  2mm Neoprene socks for $8 and 2mm neoprene gloves w/ finger cutouts for $9—-Hunting Dept. Tip:  Try a very short leader with the sink tip (12" then 18" tippet)  It will cast better,the fly will sink better, and the fish don’t seem mind. Good Fishing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I recently was in my local K-Mart and checked out the fishing section, while I would find little use in ,most of the products they sell I did find what I precieve to be a bargain. I found Scientific Anglers AirCel Supreme2  WF-6 and-7-  F/S  wet tip III lines for $10.00 each, the orignal price was $36.00 so I picked up two 7wts. and one 6wt. My questions are has anybody used this line in the sink tip much, I have never used a sink tip and if it would be better to have a top of the line (line) I would use the three I have to trade w/friends and purchase a higher quality line. Does this line have a stiff finish (AirCell)  also my last question is about what line wt. to use, I have a fast 6.wt. and the directions say to use a line wt. heavier if you want to trim the 10ft. tip into say a 6ft. I find a floater is just fine for the majority of my fishing but there are times when a sink tip would be good, Does the weight then come from the tip itself? and if I trimmed back a 6wt. line would it be too light to load easily? if anybody can help please reply I just know $10.00 either way is worth it I have a new S.A. catalog and do not see the old lines anymore and have never had an older catalog so I am not famaliar w/ this product. Thanks…

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Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

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Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

Dolly Varden are not available in the Bob.  Dollies are costal fish. Bull trout, on the other hand, do inhabit the Flathead area.  Don’t get caught fishing for them intentionally.  They were recently listed under the ESA.  In this years Montana fishing regs you were permitted to fish for bull trout in Swan Lake with a daily and possession limit of one fish.  I don’t know how the listing has affected this regulation. Regards, Don Kelly Butte, MT

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No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

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Folks, I guess what I meant by dolly varden is bull trout.. and I am sad to hear that they are headed for the endangered spcies list… I’ll hope not to hook any! cheers, edwin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list. Folks, can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? any truth to this rumor? edwin

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: Folks, : can anyone confirm or disconfirm that dolly varden are available inthe : bob marshall?  have heard theymight be found in flathead basin area? : any truth to this rumor? : Dolly Varden are not available in the Bob.  Dollies are costal fish. : Bull trout, on the other hand, do inhabit the Flathead area.  Don’t get : caught fishing for them intentionally.  They were recently listed under : the ESA.  In this years Montana fishing regs you were permitted to fish : for bull trout in Swan Lake with a daily and possession limit of one : fish.  I don’t know how the listing has affected this regulation. What is the difference between a Dolly Varden and a bull trout? I though that the same species had both names. Once, when fishing in Pacific Creek in the Tetons, I saw another angler catch a fish he called a Dolly Varden. Was he correct? It looked like a char, sort of like a brookie or a laker, but different. By the way, who was Dolly Varden?

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Joe,    The story is a lady was visiting the town of McCloud in California and she saw a char taken from the McCloud river.  She said it looks just like Dolly Varden’s gingham dress.  Dolly Varden was an entertainer and the name stuck. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the way, who was Dolly Varden?

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No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list.

Sorry to bear the bad news, but I believe that recent attempts to find bull trout in the McCloud failed.  It is yet another extinct race of trout. -John —       My Wife, Yes…       My Dog, Maby,       My Gun, Never!

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Sorry to bear the bad news, but I believe that recent attempts to find bull trout in the McCloud failed.  It is yet another extinct race of trout. -John

 John,  The Bull trout are alive and well in the Swan. This is one of the few lakes that you can actually fish for "da Bulls". (C&R) Have fun! -Bob

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Three years ago I caught & released a bully of 19 inches in the headwaters of the Bitterroot, above the lake.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No dolly varden….but there are some bull trout….soon to be on the endangered list. Sorry to bear the bad news, but I believe that recent attempts to find bull trout in the McCloud failed.  It is yet another extinct race of trout. -John —      My Wife, Yes…      My Dog, Maby,      My Gun, Never!

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Dolly Varden, a "fancy lady" Schuhfly

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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or.  At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain.  Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good?  Please e-mail me and let me know.  Thanks in advance!

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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.

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Closest would be Lava Island Falls area.  About a mile upstream is Dillon Falls.  Fishing anywhere in this area is good and from the Inn you can walk to them all. Just try using a large olive hare’s ear, bead head prince nymph, or tan elk hair caddis.  Check with The Patient Angler in Bend off of Colorado Ave., they will be able to give you any further advice on recent hatches.

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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.

I hear that the black bullhead can really put up a dogged fight when hooked on a #4 corn fly.   -John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or.  At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain.  Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good?  Please e-mail me and let me know.  Thanks in advance!

Hi Bryan, I would fish streams early and late in the day at that time of year. There are fly shops in Sister’s, Bend, Sun River and Camp Sherman. They can tell you about the fishing, what flies to use and can supply you with a guide. The lakes, like Crane Prairie, can be very good at that time, also. You have the Deschutes, Metolius, Crooked and Fall Rivers to choose from. The Deschutes river also has steelhead in July through October. I would try to find a copy of ‘Harry Teel’s No Nonsense Guide To Fly Fishing Central & Southeastern Oregon’, published by David Marketing Communications in Sisters, Oregon. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Anybody know of a lure resembling a Cicada (cyclical locust)?  Is there a company that might be able to custom-make such a device? — Ellard Douglas Imagine if time was logarithmic, and we were just living an exponential existence!                   Timothy D. Kuehn Comments made by Ellard Douglas do not represent the policies of CMS. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meet the definition of a telephone fax machine.  By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation.

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There is a lure called a Cicada made by Reef Runner Lure Co. It works quite well ! Look fer it in  Bass Pro Shops or Cabela’s catalogs.

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If you are into fly fishing, try a big muddler minnow & add floatant. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a lure called a Cicada made by Reef Runner Lure Co. It works quite well ! Look fer it in  Bass Pro Shops or Cabela’s catalogs.

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I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very easy material to work with. It provides a good silhouette and rigid post for parachute patterns. Divided and down wings are easy to tie with little bulk making the tying of smaller flies simpler with better proportion as well. Comparaduns are a breeze. Antron wings look aesthetically pleasing and appear to be somewhat translucent and light reflective at the same time. In short, antron seems too good to be true. Being that it’s -30  C outside as I write this, it is unlikely I will be able to test these flies for a few months yet. In the meantime, I’d like to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. Thanks Guy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very easy material to work with. It provides a good silhouette and rigid post for parachute patterns. Divided and down wings are easy to tie with little bulk making the tying of smaller flies simpler with better proportion as well. Comparaduns are a breeze. Antron wings look aesthetically pleasing and appear to be somewhat translucent and light reflective at the same time. In short, antron seems too good to be true. Being that it’s -30  C outside as I write this, it is unlikely I will be able to test these flies for a few months yet. In the meantime, I’d like to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. Thanks Guy

Guy, I tried a similar tactic a couple of years ago using Orvis poly-wing material (usually used for spinner wings) which isn’t too different from antron.  Being a rather impatient and lazy tier I found this material easy and fast to use for tying upright wings. As a wing post for parachute patterns I found it worked well and fished as effectively as any other parachute patterns. I had the most hope for Comparaduns tied with this material because I fish them a lot, again partly because of the ease and speed of tying. However, these were not very effective at all.  During the summer of ‘95 I tried Comparaduns tied with this material alongside the standards and for some yet undetermined reason they just were not as effective.  This was not a very scientific experiment because of limited trips and I didn’t have any friends try them; so take my findings for whatever they are worth.  They were tried for the Hendrickson, Sulfur and various BWO hatches. I would encourage you to tie enough antron Comparaduns for an experiment and please let me know how they fish. Good luck, Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton

DEAR BURTON: Would you send me a small sample of this new material to look at? Gehrke’s Gink Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Asotin, WA 99402 Would appreciate it. George — MZ

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I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look.

I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton DEAR BURTON: Would you send me a small sample of this new material to look at? Gehrke’s Gink Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Asotin, WA 99402 Would appreciate it. George

George: you can probably find a sample under your feet – it’s a pretty common synthetic carpet fibre that’s been used for flytying for at least 5 years or more. You’ll also find it sold as "sparkle yarn", etc… I’m actually surprised you never heard of this stuff (and that you didn’t invent it! ;^) Cheers! /dave

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Went through an antron phase a couple of years ago. Overall the dries that I tied fished OK its hard to say whether or not they made a real difference. I think that the smaller flies that I tied worked well with antron wings. These were small gnats size 22 and 24. Antron wings are killer on wet flies though.

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I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them.

Burton, Try a rib of pearlescent krystal flash on some of them, especially the darker olives.  I swing these at last light.  They seem to almost glow. I really love fishing soft hackles. Ross Wilson

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Went through an antron phase a couple of years ago. Overall the dries that I tied fished OK its hard to say whether or not they made a real difference. I think that the smaller flies that I tied worked well with antron wings. These were small gnats size 22 and 24. Antron wings are killer on wet flies though.

Dear Sir; I concurr.  I really think antron used for wings, caddis stuff, emergent mayflies, midges and trailing shucks is great.  For shucks, instead of the more coarse Z-lon for the small flies, I use regular fine antron yarn and then use a heated metal wire to cause there to be consistent convolutions in the peeling "shuck". JB

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I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies Burton, Try a rib of pearlescent krystal flash on some of them, especially the darker olives.  I swing these at last light.  They seem to almost glow. I really love fishing soft hackles. Ross Wilson

Ross, So do I!  I find myself doing it more and more these days, since it allows me to cast which I find relaxing.  As opposed to my chuck-and-duck nymphing with heavy weighted flies. Thanks for the tip, I’ll tie up a few and try them. -Burton

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Being that it’s -30  C outside as I write this, it is unlikely I will be able to test these flies for a few months yet. In the meantime, I’d like to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look.

See, that’s just the kind of Sunday fly-fishing mentality that’s getting the sport a bad name! Andrew (-: – I’ve been tying wings with antron for several years now, and the fish seem to think it’s OK.

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George, -Sure, glad to do it!  What color would you prefer?  I find it most useful= =20 for wet fly caddis imitations and to wit think I have lt. brown,=20 blue-grey, yellow, grey and lt. olive (maybe even dark olive). -Burton =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fi= sh on them. =20 DEAR BURTON: =20 Would you send me a small sample of this new material to look at? =20 Gehrke’s Gink Snake River – Hell’s Canyon Asotin, WA 99402 =20 Would appreciate it. =20 George –=20 MZ=90 =20 =20

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I chop up sections of this and mix it with other dubbing materials for wet flies. I used one like this at the end of the season and it was destroyed by several large fish. Needless to say my vise has been crankin these out ! — "The true Angler is content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began tying dry fly wings with antron yarn. Antron is a very to tie flyboxes full of antron dries, but before I go whole hog on antron, I need to know if they fish as good as they look. I use antron on wet flies with partridge or hen soft hackle.  The flies are a real killer.  The antron seems to trap air bubbles and looks traslucent to the fish (more life like I suppose).  I catch some big fish on them. -Burton

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We’re pleased and excited to announce the birth of a brand new and very different quarterly publication covering the woods and waters of the Salmon River/Eastern Lake Ontario area. As a logical extension of our popular WEB site ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’ we’ll be visiting "The Fly Zone" with Fran Verdoliva, checking out "The Tackle Box" with Jim Dence, following Peter’s wanderings in his "Thompson At Large" column, getting "A View from the Treestand" with yours truly, locating and evaluating country real estate with Christine Nixon, finding out what’s hot and what’s not with Fred David, locating cool new fishing links compliments of Jim Walker, snow sledding the Tug Hill Plateau, visiting with DEC biologists, local taxidermists, antique shops, our salmon and trout hatchery, state forests and parks, and so much more! We plan to hit the presses in late June, and be available free at local and out-of-state sport shops by July 1. Yours in the Outdoors, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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As a logical extension of our popular web site ‘http://www.salmon-river.com, we’re excited to announce the beginnings of our print publication "The Salmon River/Lake Ontario Experience." Scheduled to be in selected sport shops on July 1, SRLOE has been designed to be different. Upbeat, in-depth, accurate and professional coverage of the area’s woods and waters is what you’ll find from cover to cover. Visit Fran Verdoliva’s ‘Fly Zone’ Follow artist, guide and author Peter Thompson in ‘Thompson At Large" Master Angler Bill Ferman will show you his "Rivers and Creeks" I’ll share my "View From The Treestand" with you hunting folks Herald Journal columnist, Fred David, will tell you what’s hot and what’s not Sample some wild turkey recipes at "Laurie’s Smokehouse" Check out some cool fishing and hunting links courtesy of Jim Walker See what’s new in Jim Dense’s "Tackle Box" Visit some back country real estate with Christine Nixon Hit the trails on your snowsled or X-country skis, jig some perch through the ice, call in your first tom, check out the trout and salmon hatchery at Altmar or hear what our DEC personnel have to say. You get the picture. EVERYTHING our area has to offer-year round. If your favorite sport shop doesn’t have copies by July 1, ask them to have us send them some. Yours in the outdoors, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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I’m looking for the names (and contact info) of good fishing catalog companies. I have Pro Bass, Orvis and Cabelas. Can anybody help me with the names, etc. of any other good ones? Thanks. David Laylin            Electronics for Small Watercraft             Tel: 800 760 0004       Web Site: http://www.infi.net/~spdtech

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FeatherCraft Flyfishing in St. Louis is really terrific. They send you a couple of very complete and entertaining catalogs per year, prices are good, and they are very helpful on the phone. Phone:800-659-1707 Kaufmann’s Streamborn is very good (800-442-4359). Hunter’s Angling Supply (800-331-8558). Hook and Hackle (800-552-8342). Blue Ribbon Flies (406-646-7642). Hope these help.

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I got this several months ago, hope it helps. Fishing Catalogs/Resource List  This is a list of free fishing catalogs. It is permanently available for   machine: ftp.ofps.ucar.edu [128.117.90.53]     login: anonymous      file: /pub/john/catalogs.txt The URL for that is   ftp://ftp.ofps.ucar.edu/pub/john/catalogs.txt As far as I know, the information is accurate, but I haven’t gotten all the catalogs listed so don’t hold me liable for your phone bills! Those of you outside the U.S. may have to pay a shipping charge just to get the "free" catalog. Remember to add any necessary long distance or country codes, etc that are peculiar to your location and/or long distance phone company. Please send any additions or corrections along to me at  I’ve collected these entries from various sources. Any comments of mine or one of the contributors are also given. Nothing is guarranteed to be correct. I have no connection with any of these companies. Have fun fishing! John Allison — Free Catalogs: AA Proshop RD 1 Box 78 White Haven PA 18661 800-443-8119 Access to Recreation, Inc (fishing, shooting, living aids for the disabled) 2509 E Thousand Oaks Blvd Suite 430 Thousand Oaks CA 91362-3227 800-634-4351 805-498-8186 fax Angler’s (ffing gift ideas, no `real’ equipment) 4955 East 2900 North Murtaugh ID 83344 800-657-8040 (voice 9-5 Mtn time, or fax) 208-432-6625 (voice 9-5 Mtn time, or fax) The Anglers Art (this address or the next one?) PO Box 148C Plainfield PA 17081 800-848-1020 The Anglers Art—Books for Fly Fishermen (this address or the previous one?) 854 Opossum Lake Rd Carlisle PA 17013 800-848-1020 717-243-8603 fax The Bass Pond PO Box 82 Littleton CO 80160-0082 800-327-5014 303-730-8932 fax Bass Pro Shops (multiple catalogs) (see also White River below) 1935 S Campbell Springfield MO 65898-0001 800-BASS PRO 800-227-7776 417-881-3567 800-442-5788 TDD 417-887-2531 fax Cabela’s (general fishing and hunting) (special flyfishing only catalog also) 812 13th Ave Sidney NE 69160 800-237-4444 (US and Canada) 308-234-5555 308-254-2200 fax 800-695-5000 TDD Capt Harry’s Fishing Supply (saltwater, yearly color catalog) 100 NE 11TH St Miami FL 33132 800-327-4088 305-374-3713 fax Charlie Richter’s Fly Shop (small local Miami shop with info/supplies for that area) 472 NE 125th St North Miami FL 33161 800-866-0763 305-893-6663 Cold Spring Anglers (419 East High Street, Suite A) PO Box 129 Carlisle PA 17013-0129 800-248-8937 (M-Sat 9-5 Eastern, Sun 12-5) 717-245-2646 717-245-2081 fax Contact Central Sales Inc. (cheap accessories) 6770 N 43rd St Milwaukee WI 53209 800-353-5501 orders 414-353-4050 info 414-353-4605 fax Dan Bailey’s Fly Shop PO Box 1019 Livingston MT 59047 800-356-4052 406-222-1673 406-222-8450 fax Dunn’s (camping, hunting, backpacking, not much fishing) Hwy 57E PO Box 449 Grand Junction TN 38039 800-223-8667 orders 800-367-2940 service 901-764-6503 fax E. Hille The Angler’s Supply House, Inc. (good for rod building materials) 815 Railway Street PO Box 996 Williamsport PA 17701 800-326-6612 FeatherCraft FlyFishing (maybe named National FeatherCraft ?) PO Box 19904 St Louis MO 63144 800-659-1707 314-963-7876 Fisherman’s Shack (salmon, steelhead, trout; spinner building) 9465 Airlie Road Monmouth OR 97361 800-428-1499 voice orders 9am-5pm; fax 5pm-9am 503-838-6395 voice Fishermans Tackle Shop (Saltwater) (maybe $3) 2838 Garrison Street San Diego CA 92106 800-566-0273 619-221-8506 619-222-0799 fax Fly & Field 560 Crescent Blvd. Glen Ellyn IL 60137 800-328-9753 The Fly Shop 4140 Churn Creek Road Redding CA 96002 800-669-FISH 800-669-3474 Frank Amato Publications (9 – 5 Pacific time) 800-541-9498 Gander Mountain Inc. (multiple catalogs) PO Box 248 Wilmot WI 53192 800-558-9410 (US and Canada) 414-862-2331 ext 2123 (foreign orders) 800-533-2828 fax 414-862-2330 fax 800-558-3554 TDD 800-5

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Hi, I am moving to Dusserdorf in the near future. I am thinking of taking my flyfishing equipment with me, or at least tie some flies while I am there. So if anybody can help me with these questions, I would preciate. Are there any areas for fly fishing in that area?

Hi Jussi Virtanen, do you mean Duesseldorf in Germany ? If it is, I can help you.      Michael  …. tie a fly when the trout comes high,          that’s high ..                                          mail: it’s only my opinion                 Michael Nolte

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Hi, I am moving to Dusserdorf in the near future. I am thinking of taking my flyfishing equipment with me, or at least tie some flies while I am there. So if anybody can help me with these questions, I would preciate. Are there any areas for fly fishing in that area? Can I get supplies to tie my own flies from that area ? (important) How well equipped area the local shops in that area ?                         Jussi Virtanen

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