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J Axelrad;  Sign me up for the raffle with a Strens fisherman’s clipper with zinger and a North Dakota water proof box.  I’m coming in Wed afternoon. Let me know if the timing is off.  Then again, I could always donate 1,000 used flies that never caught anything and never will 8}.

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Lou Teletski wrote… J Axelrad;  Sign me up for the raffle with a Strens fisherman’s clipper with zinger and a North Dakota water proof box.  I’m coming in Wed afternoon. Let me know if the timing is off.  Then again, I could always donate 1,000 used flies that never caught anything and never will 8}.

You had better send it to me rather than bring it just in case.  Wed.  might be after the Raffle.  Don’t know for sure.  But why take a chance. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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You had better send it to me rather than bring it just in case.  Wed. might be after the Raffle.  Don’t know for sure.  But why take a chance. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

Joe, I will send you a package of swap flies as well if you want to include them in your raffle. I need your snail mail addy. Frank Church Swap nazi

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Joel, I’ll be there early but leaving Wednesday morning.  No problem if not being there makes a difference on paricippating in the drawing.  My 12 hooks with chicken feathers tied on (God bless Tyson’s Chicken) will still be there to participate.  Better not un-zip the baggy until outdoors and downwind from anyone of the few who may have taken a shower that week. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You had better send it to me rather than bring it just in case.  Wed.  might be after the Raffle.  Don’t know for sure.  But why take a chance. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Raffle rules again… All those giving a prize will get one even if you don’t attend the clave. All those attending bring your prize with you but let me know what it is beforehand if you would. All those not attending and those who think they will depart before the raffle or arrive after the raffle send your prize to me.    Joel Axelrad    Uniform Graining Corp.    2120 W, Lake Street    Chicago, IL 60612     And lastly, I don’t know which nite, for sure, the raffle will be held.  The Clavemeister has not spoken!   Tom, we wait your decision.  Tues.? Wed.?  Let us know. Watch this space for the answer. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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And lastly, I don’t know which nite, for sure, the raffle will be held. The Clavemeister has not spoken!   Tom, we wait your decision.  Tues.? Wed.?  Let us know.

Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote. Joe F.

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Joe writes: Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote.

Don’t forget the torches! Dave

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Joe F. wrote… Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote.

If you promise to do an encore of your act I’ll vote with you. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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And lastly, I don’t know which nite, for sure, the raffle will be held. The Clavemeister has not spoken!   Tom, we wait your decision. Tues.? Wed.?  Let us know. Since Tuesday is the only night I have a snowball’s chance of being there, that gets my vote. Joe F.

Sounds good to me too Scott

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If you promise to do an encore of your act I’ll vote with you. Joel Axelrad

Well shit, I better find some glue & put the boxes back together. <g Joe F.

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Don’t forget the torches!

We got us a volunteer again Stan!   Better start practicing.  <g Joe F.

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Joe F. If you promise to do an encore of your act I’ll vote with you. Joel Axelrad Well shit, I better find some glue & put the boxes back together. <g Joe F.

I’ll bring matches and lighter fluid.  <g For the torches, the torches, not those little box thingies……d;0(

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Joe F. writes: Don’t forget the torches! We got us a volunteer again Stan!   Better start practicing.  <g

Yeah, Stan.  Practice, practice, practice.  No fishing from now until then – just practice with those torches.  You don’t mind if I face Stan instead of you, Joe. Dave practicing running and ducking and trying to remember where his asbestos bvds are

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Oh almighty rafflemiester put me down for a fly-tying book as i don’t tie yet i don’t need one maybe some flyline as someday i may tie so maybe i should keep it boy do i hate these aarp moments.Whatever day is picked will be fine with me. Handyman   Mike

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I’m with Joe.  Tuesday night! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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I’m with Joe.  Tuesday night!

Well, if you’re with me, you’ll be at a dinner with me and swmbo. Aaaaargh.   As it turns out, she had screwed up the dates she told me for that one.   Now I have committments on Sunday, Tuesday & Thursday.   It’s looking pretty f*cking unlikely I’ll get there at all now.   Giant bummer. Joe F.

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Joe fleischman wrote… Well, if you’re with me, you’ll be at a dinner with me and swmbo. Aaaaargh.   As it turns out, she had screwed up the dates she told me for that one.   Now I have committments on Sunday, Tuesday & Thursday.   It’s looking pretty f*cking unlikely I’ll get there at all now.   Giant bummer. Joe F.

You gotta come.  You gotta juggle.  You gotta fish.  You gatta be with friends. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Joel writes: You gotta come.  You gotta juggle.  You gotta fish.  You gatta be with friends.

You gotta try and hit me with the flaming torch.   Be there, Joe, be there. Dave

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I’m with Joe.  Tuesday night! Well, if you’re with me, you’ll be at a dinner with me and swmbo.

millheim inn? <g Aaaaargh.   As it turns out, she had screwed up the dates she told me for that one.   Now I have committments on Sunday, Tuesday & Thursday.   It’s looking pretty f*cking unlikely I’ll get there at all now.   Giant bummer. Joe F.

bummer indeed….. i was hopin we could wet a line together this year….. 2003? –wally

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You gotta come.  You gotta juggle.  You gotta fish.  You gatta be with friends. You gotta try and hit me with the flaming torch.   Be there, Joe, be there. Dave

If it’ll help you, Dave, I can toss a few cigars at you…  Just trying to help.

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Stan writes: If it’ll help you, Dave, I can toss a few cigars at you…  Just trying to help. If it’ll help you, Dave, I can toss a few cigars at you…  Just trying to help.

Wouldn’t be the same, Stan.

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If’n ya’ll want, I can wait till more people get there before I start the fire for the stew.  That oughta be ’nuff entertainment for the most jaded.            Frank

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bummer indeed….. i was hopin we could wet a line together this year….. 2003?

Friday’s still alive as a longshot.   SWMBO gets degree at ceremony Thurs. a.m.   Perhaps a celebratory lunch, a leisurely afternoon basking in the glow of academic success, them off to Coburn?   I dunno; I might get away with it.  :-) Joe F.

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aw hell…i heard they will deliver diplomas by mail now …if you were a real manly man, you’d try that approach and do your celebrating at the historic millheim hotel.  of course, i must admit i tried similar antics more than 20 years ago with my first spouse, and it got me a whole lotta new freedoms…freedom from my bank account, furniture, car, and marriage.  but then, i didn’t have your magical talents… <g we’ll miss you this year… hope you can find your way down to carolina again now that you have some proper footgear… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bummer indeed….. i was hopin we could wet a line together this year….. 2003? Friday’s still alive as a longshot.   SWMBO gets degree at ceremony Thurs. a.m.   Perhaps a celebratory lunch, a leisurely afternoon basking in the glow of academic success, them off to Coburn?   I dunno; I might get away with it.  :-) Joe F.

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Joe, Suggest we do a combined blowout Sunday for both the wives in collective celebration.  You keep waders in the van to bug out right after ceremonies Thursday and get back late Saturday night.  If we make a big enough deal out of Sunday, think we can make it fly(fish)?? Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Friday’s still alive as a longshot.   SWMBO gets degree at ceremony Thurs. a.m.   Perhaps a celebratory lunch, a leisurely afternoon basking in the glow of academic success, them off to Coburn?   I dunno; I might get away with it.  :-) Joe F.

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Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey?

Well to be serious for a moment, I do not carry a handgun. I do, however, carry a size 6 weighted wooly bugger and I would feel no remorse whatsoever if I ripped some GDA’s nose off with it. I have not done this to date, but not for lack of trying. You all Europeans can become one with universe, hum mantras and tsk, tsk at the uncivilized North Americans if you wish, but <assume John Wayne accent sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. — Ken Fortenberry

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 Hollow points tend not to pass through and kill an innocent bystander. Especially if you are using subsonic rounds. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

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You have no idea how impressive a size 6/0 pikestreamer can be when adequately stripped.. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <ad infinitum Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Well to be serious for a moment, I do not carry a handgun. I do, however, carry a size 6 weighted wooly bugger and I would feel no remorse whatsoever if I ripped some GDA’s nose off with it. I have not done this to date, but not for lack of trying. You all Europeans can become one with universe, hum mantras and tsk, tsk at the uncivilized North Americans if you wish, but <assume John Wayne accent sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. — Ken Fortenberry

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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It was not malicious.  I must admit that I prefer to know the correct names of the people with whom I am communicating, and see no particularly good reasons for aliases here normally .  But it is like many things, purely a matter of personal choice. I never for a moment thought it was malicious.  As for the name..I’ve been using it for about 7 years now and use it for everything online. Just what I started with  so it’s a habit.

Using an alias online is an excellent idea that I recommend to everyone. I’m speaking from a truly harrowing personal experience that I’ve related in this newsgroup. I don’t mind most people knowing my real name, which is Stephen Barnard, but I don’t want it continually plastered all over Usenet. So I compromise. I use an alias, but I reveal my name occasionally so at least the regulars know whom they’re talking to. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mike Connor  AKA Upstream Spider

How do we know that your name is really Mike Connor? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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snip their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill?

My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) The only variable I see there is the fishermen. They must change in either attitude or numbers. Nothing else will. Please advise where, when & if you plan to thin the standing crop of anglers. Thanks Kiyu

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My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) Kiyu

You’re right, it isn’t.  That should be Fisherman / streams = fishermen per stream Kevin  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill? My math isn’t very good but I come up with: more fishermen * same streams = more fishermen per stream (and most of them pissed off) The only variable I see there is the fishermen. They must change in either attitude or numbers. Nothing else will. Please advise where, when & if you plan to thin the standing crop of anglers.

The situation is actually somewhat more complicated than what you describe.  In nearly fifty years on this planet I have met thousands of divorced persons, male and female.  Surprisingly, and in apparent defiance of immutable natural laws, in each case I have met the aggrieved party; NEVER the asshole.  The same sort of peculiarity marks my contacts with fishermen.  I never meet (in a social setting) the ill bred yuppie prick or the inbred bubba dipshit; only the well mannered and considerate gentlemen.  Anyone who doubts the possibility of something like this occurring need only read these pages for a few weeks.  All any of us asks is that we be allowed unlimited time in our favorite fishing spots unencumbered by the presence of any other human being within 12,000 miles or so.  What could be more reasonable and selfless?  Now, since we are ALL entirely void of the deplorable characteristics displayed by the lummoxen of whom we complain, it stands to reason that fishing assholes, like divorced assholes, are the residents of a parallel universe who somehow manage to cross over at odd intervals just to wreak havoc on our own blameless lives.  And since we have no reason to believe that the laws of nature behave differently in parallel universes it follows that simply shooting the bastards will never solve the problem because there are in all likelihood just as many of them as there are of us and from what I here they breed like rats anyway.  As well attack the tides with wooden lance! Wolfgang Oh WHY can’t everyone just be more like me?!

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snip one brookie but it was loads of fun on that lovely little rod.  Definitely a keeper.

I wouldn’t sell your stock in Sage just yet. I haven’t tossed a line with an RPL+ but from what I have read here they are nice rods and it is good to switch back and forth from time to time to appreciate what each rod can do for your fishing as your fishing & casting style will change over time. On another note and to revisit the GD I just will never get used to dealing with such incredibly inconsiderate, self consumed jerks.

As our streams become more crowded we will encounter and endure more "self consumed jerks" ….. and beginners who get mistaken for them. Sure streamside courtesy needs to be understood by all but I would doubt that hostile displays do much more than make the other angler think the messenger is a jerk.<G Beginners are usually (if they attended a class) taught in flocks and their early streamside habits often reflect this. Time & observation usually cures their crowding tendencies. A lot of seemingly inconsiderate behavior by experienced fishermen is because different streams develop their own codes of behavior and this gets carried over from stream to stream. I can almost guarantee that someone who regularly fishes a no-holds-barred, fight-for-your-space stream will seem to be a real jerk on a stream that has plenty of angling space and a different stream culture until he gets in sync with his surroundings. I have been on both ends of this. Most people don’t want to interfere with another’s fishing. If I feel someone has encroached upon what I deem to be my fishing space and I want to make a statement about it I quickly reel in without a word & leave for another spot. It is an obvious gesture, is very clear and often gets an apology (unless the person actually is a jerk in which case he will probably not understand any gesture except the single fingered one – and that could get dangerous for all parites). As well, I have sought out anglers to apologize to who have responded similarly to my own chowderheaded but inadvertent encroachments. Works for me – may not work for you. Kiyu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Herman Ah, well, there is something to be said about etiquette. … Within 5 minutes, here he is, right in front of me. So I move downstream. This little game goes on for the next hour.  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns. — Ken Fortenberry — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

sharing at all.  One doesn’t share reverie or tranquility.  It is a selfish thing we all need.  Some people need to  get away from even looking or seeing another human being.  Fly fishing is one place where that is possible.  Disturbing a man’s reverie is about the biggest sin anyone can do to another fly fisherman.  Reverie is so precious to some that to disturb it is to replace it with rage, which is reverie’s opposite.   Normally, there are other humans about fishing but it then comes down to a zone of several hundred yards or just a hundred yards but no less than that. It can mean, don’t dog my trail and don’t follow me around. Fly fishing is more a state of mind as anything else.  It doesnot need to be catching anything at all.  It can just be a place not to be shared or seen by others.  It can be just the knowledge that someone walks well around and away who is smart enough not to even say "hello."  One doesn’t go fly fishing to hear ‘hello’ from others, believe it or not.  All this sounds cruel, but ’some individuals’ need a piece of heaven on earth that is undisturbed.  This is a feature in the outdoors that is becoming rarer as each year goes by. As Mel Levin said one time, "Don’t say hello to that guy!  Before you know it, you’ll be exchanging flies, business cards and when you get home you will either get a telephone call or a love letter!  NEVER, say hello astream!" Finally, there is that burning question we all get, or at least the ones that are catching trout.  Suddenly!  From behind comes this rude invasion of privacy.  "What fly are you using?" I always answer, "The one found in "Matching the Hatch!"  Why do you ask? — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote…  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns.

Ok, I’m relatively new to the sport of fly fishing. I mean, I’ve fished about 100 days in the last year, but almost always by myself on a private pond. So although I try to be a good sport and show etiquette, I can envision that somebody might infringe on someone else out of naivete rather than ill-will. I hope that if I were to–out of a lack of knowledge–infringe on what someone else considered to be their fishing "space" that the other party would be willing correct me politely and only shoot if I did it a second time. I’m assuming as well that we’re talking about infringement by strangers and not necessarily situations where you’re fishing with someone you know, right? –Steve (so call me an idiot, at least I’m trying to learn)

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Last year, I was fishing Mt. Vernon creek, a small popular spot not too far from Madison, WI. My buddy and I were treated to a streamside invective (a litany, really) directed by a fellow fisherman at the injustice of having arrived to find the stream full of other fisherman when he had been fishing that water for 20 years. Didn’t get a lot of sympathy from me, as I’ve been fishing it a good 5 years longer. But I *could* understand the frustration he must have felt as he watched the crowds grow over the years. For ourselves, we had already begun to leave work early in order to beat others to the stream. I suspect this guy has learned the same trick, or begun driving further. I wonder if some of the increased inconsiderate behavior we’ve had to bear over the years resulted from bad tempers caused by other, usually thoughtful people who had experienced boorishness just one too many times, and lost their own sense of etiquette. Bad temper, and bad manners can end up in a feedback loop that only makes things worse. And it seems more likely the more of us there are sharing the water. I try to hold my temper and sense of proportion in check. But or overkill?

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Yeah right… somebody’s in my way, so kill him. Land of the free, hey? Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah, well, there is something to be said about etiquette. … Within 5 minutes, here he is, right in front of me. So I move downstream. This little game goes on for the next hour.  … Well, nobody owns the stream, we must learn to cope with whomever else shares it with us. Phooey, this is why god invented handguns. — Ken Fortenberry

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Set out this morning in a fine, misty rain eager to fish a new 2 wt. I picked up yesterday afternoon (Orvis, Silver Label 792) to determine if it was a keeper or not.  Suffice is to say, I love the new rod.  I had used a Sage RPL+ in the past and didn’t like it at all…..it was very fast, felt like a darn pool cue.  After 15 minutes or so getting used to casting the full flex action rod it was turning over a size 18 furry black ant beautifully, laying it down on the water as though it had fallen from an overhanging tree limb (actually did manage to snag a tree).  Unfortunately, the weather took a turn for the worse and the light mist turned into a steady rain within the hour.  During that time I managed only one brookie but it was loads of fun on that lovely little rod.  Definitely a keeper. On another note and to revisit the GD Ahole thread…….I had been on the stream for about 30 minutes and was working my way upstream when this jerk comes tromping into the water about 20 yards upstream from me and begins dead drifting some sort of wet fly downstream in my direction all the while chatting with his buddy who was sitting up on the bank, obviously perturbed that I had the nerve to get there before them!  Good thing I didn’t have a gun, I may have just been pissed enough to use it . Anyway, I fished (more like just spent the time false casting the new 2 wt as close to him as I could) a little while longer and since the weather wasn’t great I just tromped and splashed as loudly and clumsily as I could upstream, right past him  and exited about 30 yards past the two interlopers. I just will never get used to dealing with such incredibly inconsiderate, self consumed jerks.  My 4 year old son has the brains and common sense consideration to know better than to do what they did.  When I was leaving I noticed their truck had out of state tags…I guess they figured since they traveled to get there they weren’t going to let anything stop them from wetting a line. Natty

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My 4 year old son has the brains and common sense consideration to know better than to do what they did.

Well that’s probably because your son has a better father than those 2 guys. Don’t get angry with them – feel sorry for them. Regards, Jeff

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Two wrongs don

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Never hear anything about flyfishing in Glacier.  Anyone have any first hand knowledge?

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Never hear anything about flyfishing in Glacier.  Anyone have any first hand knowledge?

Jeff? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Never hear anything about flyfishing in Glacier.  Anyone have any first hand knowledge? Jeff?

ROFLMAO !!! — Ken Fortenberry

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Never hear anything about flyfishing in Glacier.  Anyone have any first hand knowledge?

I have never even bothered to research it because the fishing outside the gate is extraordinary.  You can’t get into the park from the east without driving through the Blackfeet reservation, upon which is some of the very best fishing in the lower 48.  There are so many high quality lakes and streams on the reservation that it would take years to explore them all. John.

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Here in Missouri we use a fly called a "mullberry" made to loof like rotting/floating mulberries, which carp eat. Don’t ask me how to make them, I just buy them. At the right time of year at local lakes and ponds carp can be great fun.

Never made a mulberry fly, but I’ve eaten millions of the berries.  I imagine some coarse purple chenille or yarn wound around a hook to about 3/4" length and 1/2" or so diameter would do just fine.

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"Round and round the mulberry bush. like a teddy bear,  one step two steps, watch out for that crap there " Modification of an old  childrens rhyme, which seemed to fit some of the present threads, and my mood ! By the way, "millions of the berries", assuming a weight of a third of an ounce per berry and two million berries = 41,666 lbs. of berries or 18,94 metric Tonnes  ! Personally I think that would give me the shits !

Third of an ounce per berry is a gross over-estimation.  It’s probably a lot closer to thirty per ounce.  On the other hand, a half pound or so WILL give you the shits…….well, it has me anyway; many times.  Some things are worth the price though.                   p.s.  Aside from the distaste some might have for using bait, the naturals are simply much too good to waste on carp; no one can can truly say that he or she has lived a full life before sampling a well made mulberry pie!

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"Round and round the mulberry bush. like a teddy bear,  one step two steps, watch out for that crap there " Modification of an old  childrens rhyme, which seemed to fit some of the present threads, and my mood ! By the way, "millions of the berries", assuming a weight of a third of an ounce per berry and two million berries = 41,666 lbs. of berries or 18,94 metric Tonnes  ! Personally I think that would give me the shits ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Ok guys, stay on topic, it’s "CARP" not "CRAP" <Gjim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Round and round the mulberry bush. like a teddy bear,  one step two steps, watch out for that crap there " Modification of an old  childrens rhyme, which seemed to fit some of the present threads, and my mood ! By the way, "millions of the berries", assuming a weight of a third of an ounce per berry and two million berries = 41,666 lbs. of berries or 18,94 metric Tonnes  ! Personally I think that would give me the shits ! Third of an ounce per berry is a gross over-estimation.  It’s probably a lot closer to thirty per ounce.  On the other hand, a half pound or so WILL give you the shits…….well, it has me anyway; many times.  Some things are worth the price though.                   p.s.  Aside from the distaste some might have for using bait, the naturals are simply much too good to waste on carp; no one can can truly say that he or she has lived a full life before sampling a well made mulberry pie!

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I usually fish yarn more than anything else. I’ve had suckers in a river so thick that they are bumpin into your waders, and you cannot even make a drift without snagging or picking up a sucker. Thats when I head to the white water. The steelhead like that heavy water, and the suckers usually will fall back in the slack water.       Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Suckers, the ones with a "down-turned sucker mouth" will readily take a nymph. Much to my surprise, I caught one in brook trout water fishing a big stonefly nymph.  That sucker (pun intended) took off on a great run through a big pool. I thought I had a good size brookie on until I got it in closer.  Must have weighed about 5 pounds.   A couple of friends saw me from a distance and later asked me how big was "that brookie".  I said it was a 4 pounder.  <g Dave LaCourse Don’t laugh but I’ve caught suckers on streamers.  There’s one heavy chute on the Credit that’s tough to fish using regular streamer methods.  I’d dead drift streamers like nymphs using a sinktip and some weight for the steelhead that like to sit on the bottom.  Every now and again, I’d feel a pull rather than a strike, set the hook and up would come one pissed off sucker.  These weren’t foul hookups, the suckers were taking the streamers.  I figure that it was one of two thinks, the suckers were acting territorial or that they feed on dead, drifting minnows.  Hooked up about five suckers but never did get a steelie that day. Peter

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We were fishing right on the bottom, so I don’t know if the carp actually took the fly or if it was nestled in the aquatic vegetation upon which he was a munch’n.

I have landed several here in farm/subdivision ponds and at Callaway Gardens here in west Georgia. All of my fish have taken topwater deer-hair flys – I think they look like grass to them.  The approach & presentation must be very stealthy – grass carp are very spooky when feeding on top. Here’s on of them – http://kje.home.mindspring.com/grass_carp.htm

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I have landed several here in farm/subdivision ponds and at Callaway Gardens here in west Georgia. All of my fish have taken topwater deer-hair flys – I think they look like grass to them.  The approach & presentation must be very stealthy – grass carp are very spooky when feeding on top. Here’s on of them – http://kje.home.mindspring.com/grass_carp.htm

That’s a great looking fish, Kent. Aren’t those big scales fabulous? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I have landed several here in farm/subdivision ponds http://kje.home.mindspring.com/grass_carp.htm

I bet landing that sucker was a blast.  How does a small farm/subdivision "pond" support several fish of that size? I have to assume that once they devour all the grass, fry are next on their menu…. do these ponds have any other fish left in them? jim

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Though I’ve never caught one, the "Carp on a Fly" book claims that grass carp, although known for eating plants, will readily eat other food, insects, nymphs, and whatever. They actually have less of a down-turned "sucker" mouth than normal carp, and thus can take live prey more easily (I assume).

Last week, I had one take a generic black wooly bugger just under the surface, sight casted to him just after sunset as they began rolling up on the surface.  Awesome fight for a 3-4lb fish in a restricted, snag-free channel.

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Jon Cook writes: Though I’ve never caught one, the "Carp on a Fly" book claims that grass carp, although known for eating plants, will readily eat other food, insects, nymphs, and whatever. They actually have less of a down-turned "sucker" mouth than normal carp, and thus can take live prey more easily (I assume).

Suckers, the ones with a "down-turned sucker mouth" will readily take a nymph. Much to my surprise, I caught one in brook trout water fishing a big stonefly nymph.  That sucker (pun intended) took off on a great run through a big pool. I thought I had a good size brookie on until I got it in closer.  Must have weighed about 5 pounds.   A couple of friends saw me from a distance and later asked me how big was "that brookie".  I said it was a 4 pounder.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Here in Missouri we use a fly called a "mullberry" made to loof like rotting/floating mulberries, which carp eat. Don’t ask me how to make them, I just buy them. At the right time of year at local lakes and ponds carp can be great fun.

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Suckers, the ones with a "down-turned sucker mouth" will readily take a nymph. Much to my surprise, I caught one in brook trout water fishing a big stonefly nymph.  That sucker (pun intended) took off on a great run through a big pool. I thought I had a good size brookie on until I got it in closer.  Must have weighed about 5 pounds.   A couple of friends saw me from a distance and later asked me how big was "that brookie".  I said it was a 4 pounder.  <g Dave LaCourse

Don’t laugh but I’ve caught suckers on streamers.  There’s one heavy chute on the Credit that’s tough to fish using regular streamer methods.  I’d dead drift streamers like nymphs using a sinktip and some weight for the steelhead that like to sit on the bottom.  Every now and again, I’d feel a pull rather than a strike, set the hook and up would come one pissed off sucker.  These weren’t foul hookups, the suckers were taking the streamers.  I figure that it was one of two thinks, the suckers were acting territorial or that they feed on dead, drifting minnows.  Hooked up about five suckers but never did get a steelie that day. Peter

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Two years ago the DNR stocked my local fishing hole with grass eating carp in an effort to control the grass/hydrilla. That’s another story…. Wednesday I planned to fish after work and talked my fishing buddy into joining me. He did not have anything with him so he would use one of my rods (Sage 5wt). We hit the water about 3 PM and the fishing was great, in about two hours we had hooked about 100 gills and crappie. Then he set the hook into what turned out to be about a 20 LB carp (my guess). I have been told by DNR that these damn things eat 6 times their body weight each day and grow like hell. I swear the thing was 3 feet long, I don’t remember ever catching a carp and had no idea what they fought like. It did not make any big runs, just short spurts and then unbelievable jumps like a salmon or trout. It made one run directly under the boat and jumped on the other side, at this point his rod (my Sage) was half submerged and bent under the boat, all I could do was yell "Let it run and damn it, don’t break my rod". It made one more beautiful jump and straightened the hook. He was using 4LB tippet with a #12 wooly. Ugly fish but a sight to see. We were fishing right on the bottom, so I don’t know if the carp actually took the fly or if it was nestled in the aquatic vegetation upon which he was a munch’n. Gawd, those leaps were spectacular jim

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Mike, you’re probably gonna catch some flack about fishing with rakes ;^) But glad to hear you found the camera. fwiw: Current upper-end Kodak models include the DC265 (essentially a firmware-upgraded DC260), DC280, and DC290, in order of features & price. Do you think there’s any chance that the camera might actually function after a thorough drying? If you think it’s a write-off, you might as well see if you can take it apart, rinse the whole thing in distilled water, then let it dry for as long as it takes, before reassembling it and giving it try. /daytripper

Hey Tripper.. I am gonna see if I can wangle a 290. I wanna stay with the same chassis as I have accessories for it. I dunno. I was actually thinking of sending it to KODAK to see what they could do with it… If they can or won’t then I might just try that! Back to the Pond tommorrow! This time just to fish! I got six bows today and I lost all of the Strymphs I was using to just tied another four for tommorrow! Cheers! — Michael Era

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What’s the most expesive fly you’ve ever bought? I mean a fly that you’ve actually used; not some collector’s item salmon fly mounted in a frame that you hang on the wall. I’ll bet I can top it.

I dunno, I went into the Fishhawk in Atlanta a few years back to buy some BWO, came out with a cane rod and they gave me the flies for free, Does that count? Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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What’s the most expesive fly you’ve ever bought? I mean a fly that you’ve actually used; not some collector’s item salmon fly mounted in a frame that you hang on the wall. I’ll bet I can top it. I dunno, I went into the Fishhawk in Atlanta a few years back to buy some BWO, came out with a cane rod and they gave me the flies for free, Does that count?

It depends, Wayne. How many flies did they "give" you? You’d have to divide the cost of the rod by the number of flies, but then you’d still have the rod. So I guess is doesn’t count. Now if you actually wanted the flies but not the rod, and the only way they’d sell you the flies was with the rod … My most expensive fly was an ordinary beadhead nymph. I was fishing some high water in May, snagged it on the other side of the stream, and took a bath going to retrieve it, ruining the $600 camera I was foolishly carrying. I just got a digital camera but I don’t yet have a waterproof case. (Soon!) I won’t wade in more than 6" of water if I’m carrying it. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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my own slamon flies but a few I have bought.  I paid $95 for an Art Flick Cream Variant.  Looking back, I think I got soaked.  I have two Poul Jorgensen speys that I paid $60 for the both.  Mary Dette will sell you her dries & nymphs for $2.50 a piece yet.  Fran Betters will tie you on order for 2 bucks per fly.  I much prefer trading, though.  John Gierach has a "Trade Wind" that I tied, and in exchange I have two Labrador drakes, a hopper, and a stonefly.  He is actually a real good tier.  Ed Shenk has a Ruby butterfly of mine (probably in a desk drawer.)  My next target is Gary Lafontaine.  If anybody can give me his mailing address, can I have it?  He won’t answer my emails! Pete C

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I have some gorilla charlies tied from fur gathered from a mature silvertip lowland gorilla by a zoo vet.  The were free but would probably be somewhat difficult  to replace.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the most expesive fly you’ve ever bought? I mean a fly that you’ve actually used; not some collector’s item salmon fly mounted in a frame that you hang on the wall. I’ll bet I can top it. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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______  In this case, it isn’t a question of ‘expensive’ even though a dry fly tied by George Harvey is now going for $125 each.  There is a limited number of these jewels of dry fly perfection in THIS MANS remaining lifetime.  No George is still with us, (Thank You Lord!) but the fact remains, he is probably ‘thee’ premier dry fly tier in the world.  With eye sight failing, George (The Dry Fly Man) Harvey probably ties the best dry flies in the world.  There is no one his equal or superior.  He is an icon of ‘the craft.’   I can tie dry flies nearly as nice as George Harvey’s but I had tying lessons by  him and I was a very inattentive student.  I watched HOW he USED his hands, his fingers, his wrists.  I spent hours watching him, right by his side in many Eastern Fly Tying Shows.  To watch George tie just ONE FLY is enough information to turn on six more light bulbs in ones head.  It isn’t so much the things you remember but the many little things you miss.  The subtitles, the way the feathers are placed, a dozen things slips by even an experts eye.  One has to see him tie more than one, to get it right. The fact is, a George Harvey tied dry fly is worth more than just money.  I have several dozen of these flies which I have paid George a small fortune for.  He chuckles at my sincerity regarding his value to the world of Fly Fishing.  Those flies are now sitting in a safe.  The question is, would anyone here fish with one of these flies AFTER paying $125 or more for one? I would.  In fact, I do.  They sit on the water, like magic.  He sits on my shoulder watching the drift.   And the trout cometh. Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://216.55.26.157/vchat/   http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com (Bamboo Is Fun) http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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My favorite river appears to have a hatch of what somebody told me was Crane Flys.  The insects torso hangs below the wings and the bottom of the torso comes around and looks like it connects with the thorax.  Imagine a flying J with wings on the top part of the J and you have the insect I am talking about. Does anybody have any information on these insects and if so, what patterns best imitate them. Thanks! Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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FlyFis4fun: <<Does anybody have any information on these insects and if so, what patterns best imitate them. Patterns are in "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants", and Stewrt/Allen’s "Flies for trout".  Both adult and larva patterns are listed.  I can not imagine the crane fly as a major hatch, but if you say so…… Dave LaCourse

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My favorite river appears to have a hatch of what somebody told me was Crane Flys.  The insects torso hangs below the wings and the bottom of the torso comes around and looks like it connects with the thorax.  Imagine a flying J with wings on the top part of the J and you have the insect I am talking about.

If they are indeed crane flies, also know as "daddy long legs" they belong to the family tipulidae, and are terrestrials which often fall on the water in considerable numbers, especially when it is windy,  being very clumsy fliers.  They are often imitated using long trailing knotted pheasant tail or nylon legs, body, hackle, and hackle tip spent wings to match the colour, usually from light tan to dark brown, but olive and yellow variations are also common.  An excellent pattern may be made using detached buoyant mayfly bodies. TL MC

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Thanks for the information gentleman but it appears that the insect that I am seeing is something other then the Crane Fly.   The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the information gentleman but it appears that the insect that I am seeing is something other then the Crane Fly. The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

Hi Mike, how big is this insect ?  Does it hatch from the water, or does it just appear on the water ? TL MC

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Many Crane Fly species are terrestial, living in damp soil.  Aquatic species are usually found in streams with bottoms of fine gravel silt or sand.  Pupation usually takes place in damp soil along stream margins and is therefore of little account to the flyfisherperson. The larvae are simple and tube like and usually not available to fish as they burrow rather deeply and have no swimming abilities.  They are available during spates and may be represented by wooly worms.  The "Muskrat", an old Polly Rosborough pattern is another Crane Fly larva imitation.  Adults seem to be more available during light summer rains and may be represented by any appropriately sized and colored dry fly. As I write this I am watching a hiuge cranefly llumbering around the room….here in the Northwest there is a species that frequents lawns(well watered) and in climax years actually causes quite a bit of damage to the turf. Thanks for the information gentleman but it appears that the insect that I am seeing is something other then the Crane Fly.   The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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The insect in question, as afore mentioned, is a pale tan to whiteish tan and flys with its torso bent around to connect near its thorax.  It hatches in fair numbers though I must admit, I have never seen any of them actually land on the water.  The primary food on this river is Stone Flys so this is more of a question exploration then anything else. Thanks for the help so far. Mike

Hello Mike, I sometimes fish a limestone stream in Eastern Pennsylvania  where Orange Craneflys (orange head) gather in clusters all along the stream banks and edge of water.  The locals have an easy to tie pattern for the orange cranefly that is very effective..  Basically, your going to tie a dry fly without a tail or wings — just body, legs, & head.   Very lightly dubbed muskrat body with Dun colored hackle, use orange thread and build a small head.  I hope this helps. Dave

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My favorite river appears to have a hatch of what somebody told me was Crane Flys.  The insects torso hangs below the wings and the bottom of the torso comes around and looks like it connects with the thorax.  Imagine a flying J with wings on the top part of the J and you have the insect I am talking about. If they are indeed crane flies, also know as "daddy long legs"

I don’t know about where you live, Mike, but in the US Crane Flies and Daddy Long Legs are not at all the same thing. Crane Flies actually have wings and fly. They look like gigantic mosquitoes, but they don’t bite. Daddy Long Legs look like large spiders (but they aren’t spiders). They don’t have wings.

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Crane Flies:   When I was in Ireland a few summers ago, the gillie taught me how to "dibble" for salmon: He put a relatively heavy wet fly at the end of my leader, and then a bushy dry fly on a dropper, about 6′ up from the tippet.   The idea was to use the wet fly as an anchor, and then bob the rod tip, so the dry fly danced on the surface of the water…on the surface one second, then suddenly 6" above, like a big bug jumping up and down on the water.   So I haven’t tried this over hear yet, frankly, but talking about it did lead to some interesting new information. I told this story to George Anderson,   and he said  "Sure, the guys over in Dillon (MT) have been fishing the crane fly hatch on the Beaverhead that way for years!" — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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They look like giant mosquitoes…so how about a size 2 mosquito??? George

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Fish the larvae The trout eat them Lots easier to tie too… a Beaver leech — Free Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Lake Fly Fishing CD’s, Videos, Books http://www.rural.escape.ca/angling_north/fishing/organz.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kenrat I go to the Smokeys every year in February.  Middle prong and the other areas are ok.  The most interesting fishing is off of Cade’s Cove.  Go to the parking lot at the far end of the Cove and you can enter the water there.  This is a limestone stream.  Be careful of the water as it can be contaminated by the cow manure from inside the Cove where cattle are grazed.  The stream is atypical for the park as it is the only limestone stream.  There is a trail that parallels the stream.  It is quite a hike. The best fishing lies at the falls on the far end of the trail or in an area called the horseshoe.  The best access according to the guys from there is not the trial, but the river.  They indicated that full chest waders were needed and that wading stafffs were a must. The sure thing by way of trout is the Cherokee Reservation.  It is stocked monthly by the tribe.  They sell their own license and the limit is double that of the park.  To fish the park you need either a Carolina or Tenn. license.  They don’t care which.  The fish in the reservation were of small to mid sized.  They hit on streamers.  I used a dry as a strike indicator and a couple of nymphs trailing.

Thanks for the information!  Will look at the reservation area a little more. Hadn’t really thought about it. Many thanks….Kenny

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Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February.  Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

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Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February.  Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

Dear Kenny!             Gatlinburg area in February can be unpredictable. If you are lucky it’s 55 degrees and sunny or it could be 32 and snow. I would try West prong of Little Pigeon right off US 441 in the park. You also have Little River and Roaring Fork easily accessible as well as Middle  prong of Little Pigeon. I would use a beadhead nymph or a streamer this time of the year. I know you can catch trout on dries in February but I have more luck with nymphs. A pheasant tail or a Hare’s ear work fine for me. I wish you could come in April or May when the real action begins but February is better than nothing. Sincerely Hans

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Try calling Jesse Brown Outdoors, Charlotte, NC to start with and talk to Don, he might be able to help you out. (704) 556-0020 Jon

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Sorry  to disappoint, but ignore the GSMNP until the spring when the water warms up, hatches appear, and the trout are active again. I know, I have  flyfished this area for 16 years.  Concentrate on the tailwaters of the area.  The Clinch river is great right now!!!!  Average catches inthe 30’s on scuds, and midges.  The S. holston is also very good, with some BWO, and occational Sulphur or two. For info call THE CREEL 423.588.6159 in Knoxville. By the way, what in the hell does a flyshop in Charlotte know of conditions in the Smokies anyway?  Let them clean up the Pigeon first, before they bring their a– over here! Phil B. check out this web page: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~ldecuir/default.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry  to disappoint, but ignore the GSMNP until the spring when the water warms up, hatches appear, and the trout are active again. I know, I have  flyfished this area for 16 years.  Concentrate on the tailwaters of the area.  The Clinch river is great right now!!!!  Average catches inthe 30’s on scuds, and midges.  The S. holston is also very good, with some BWO, and occational Sulphur or two. For info call THE CREEL 423.588.6159 in Knoxville. By the way, what in the hell does a flyshop in Charlotte know of conditions in the Smokies anyway?  Let them clean up the Pigeon first, before they bring their a– over here! Phil B. check out this web page: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~ldecuir/default.html

Thanks for a very considerate attitude. If you read my post I said try to come in April or June didn’t I? Can you read? Also I have only fished in this area for three years and I have seen hatches in February. Maybe you should stay at the Clinch and let us have the mountains. I don’t care much about the stocked trout anyway. The less time you spend in the smokies the better for me. Hans

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try calling Jesse Brown Outdoors, Charlotte, NC to start with and talk to Don, he might be able to help you out. (704) 556-0020 Jon

Thanks for the number and info.  Will try to get in contact with them.  Any help is appreciated!

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Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February.  Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

Kenny,         I was just in the Smokies over new years (during the snowstorm).  The fishing was very bad but the scenery was great. While I was there, I picked up a copy of a book called A Flyfishing Guide to the Smoky Mountains.  It gives good information about the seasons there and gives detailed information about each of the watersheds in the National Park.  I would recommend it.  E-mail me if you need more information about the author etc.  There are a number of other texts that have come out recently on the park and fishing.  I have not yet had time to look them over.

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Kenrat I go to the Smokeys every year in February.  Middle prong and the other areas are ok.  The most interesting fishing is off of Cade’s Cove.  Go to the parking lot at the far end of the Cove and you can enter the water there.  This is a limestone stream.  Be careful of the water as it can be contaminated by the cow manure from inside the Cove where cattle are grazed.  The stream is atypical for the park as it is the only limestone stream.  There is a trail that parallels the stream.  It is quite a hike. The best fishing lies at the falls on the far end of the trail or in an area called the horseshoe.  The best access according to the guys from there is not the trial, but the river.  They indicated that full chest waders were needed and that wading stafffs were a must. The sure thing by way of trout is the Cherokee Reservation.  It is stocked monthly by the tribe.  They sell their own license and the limit is double that of the park.  To fish the park you need either a Carolina or Tenn. license.  They don’t care which.  The fish in the reservation were of small to mid sized.  They hit on streamers.  I used a dry as a strike indicator and a couple of nymphs trailing. Ron’s advice on the flies is right on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February. Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Smoky Mountain Questions Am new to the fly fishing arena.  Wondering if someone can give me some general info on the national park fishing areas close to the Gatlinburg area. Wondering about access, types of flys to have in arsenal for fishing for trout, rockbass or other.  Will be there during first weekend in February. Appreciate any assistance and info! Thanks, Kenny Kenny,    I was just in the Smokies over new years (during the snowstorm).  The fishing was very bad but the scenery was great. While I was there, I picked up a copy of a book called A Flyfishing Guide to the Smoky Mountains.  It gives good information about the seasons there and gives detailed information about each of the watersheds in the National Park.  I would recommend it.  E-mail me if you need more information about the author etc.  There are a number of other texts that have come out recently on the park and fishing.  I have not yet had time to look them over.

Thanks!!  Have seen the book at one of the websites.  Wondered if it was worth picking up.  Am going to try some of the bookstores around here before I look to order it. Just for anyone who is interested – Found a little 5 dollar booklet on Hatches in the Smoky Mountains.  If anyone wants any further info, let me know and I will get some.  Looked pretty helpful. Thanks….Kenny

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Who needs em’…I mean does anyone really suffer cuts from stripping their line?

Saltwater anglers using shooting heads and FAST retrieves typically put a slice in the first knuckle creases of their index and middle fingers after a half day of fishing…This kind of device sounds interesting, although a little sports tape seems to work fine for me.

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience! ..This is SPAM for Condoms..Isn’t it??

I figured that a striping guard was just a fancy name for a bouncer at a nudie bar. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!

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Who needs em’…I mean does anyone really suffer cuts from stripping their line?

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Doug and Deb, We’ve seen this ad a few times now, and I personally am getting tired of it.  This newsgroup is not an advertising forum for your business.   Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!  Learn more about STRIPPING GUARDS at: http://www.ncw.net/~peterson/strippin.htm

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!  Learn more about STRIPPING GUARDS at: http://www.ncw.net/~peterson/strippin.htm

Ok, we’ve been patient.  But, five of these irritating commercial posts in three days is getting a rise (notice the flyfishing ref.) out of me. Pace yourselves Doug ‘n Deb.  Once a week, or better yet, a month, would do what you want to do. Besides, the reality is most of us on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying tend to be do-it-yourself-ers who’ll steal your concept and make our own.  Your casting to the wrong pool (yet another ff ref.).  So, go tie a killer fly and post the pattern for out edification! Tight threads, Charley

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your fly line. They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!  Learn more about STRIPPING GUARDS at: http://www.ncw.net/~peterson/strippin.htm

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Wanted to share my excitment as I caught a 7lb plus bass last week while fishing a pond on a golf course.  Caught her on a black Dahlberg diver I tied last winter when thinking about flyfishing.  Also caught two others close to 3 lbs.  All bass  were released so we could catch them next year!! Phil Wistrom

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Congratulations on you 7 pounder. That is a "Nice Bass". "Big Bass" start at 10 pounds.

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