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Cannon 15X15 Binoculars Hi, Does anyone own these and how well do they work? If you know of any web sites that discuss them I would appreciate the URL. I would like to buy a pair but I do not want to spend 1200 dollars without hearing some first hand reports about them. Thanks J

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Cannon 15X15 Binoculars Hi, Does anyone own these and how well do they work? If you know of any web sites that discuss them I would appreciate the URL. I would like to buy a pair but I do not want to spend 1200 dollars without hearing some first hand reports about them. Thanks J

The fine old firm of Cannon is renowned for the finest binoculars ever made, so if they are only a piddling 1200 dollars, I’d advise buying several pairs…HURRY, MAN, HURRY!!  And they’ll focus faster with a peanut butter sammich ‘twixt yer cheeks, too… HTH, R …hey, it’s worth a shot…besides, "15×15 binoculars" are _RARE_, especially the Cannons…

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Cannon 15X15 Binoculars Hi, Does anyone own these and how well do they work? If you know of any web sites that discuss them I would appreciate the URL. I would like to buy a pair but I do not want to spend 1200 dollars without hearing some first hand reports about them. Thanks J

They’ve got them (15×50’s) for 950 bucks at Eagle Optics. Of course I’m pretty happy with my $49 remanufactured Minoltas so even $950 (as compared to 1200) seems to border on ludicrous to me. But as my 16 year old keeps on pointing out, I’m cheap. G.C.

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….."15×15 binoculars" are _RARE_,

They’re much easier to find if you’ve already got a pair. especially the Cannons…

Close counts in heavy artillery. Wolfgang through a glass darkly.

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Cannon 15X15 Binoculars Hi, Does anyone own these and how well do they work? If you know of any web sites that discuss them I would appreciate the URL. I would like to buy a pair but I do not want to spend 1200 dollars without hearing some first hand reports about them.

If Canon did make 15×15 binoculars they would almost certainly suck. 15x magnification with only 15mm diameter lens would be horrible. I’m guessing that you really meant 15×50mm binoculars.  I’m sure they are very good, but unless you REALLY need superb optics $1200 isn’t likely to be worth it.  Plenty of other companies make good binoculars in that range for a fraction of that price.      - Ken

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cannon 15X15 Binoculars Hi, Does anyone own these and how well do they work? If you know of any web sites that discuss them I would appreciate the URL. I would like to buy a pair but I do not want to spend 1200 dollars without hearing some first hand reports about them. If Canon did make 15×15 binoculars they would almost certainly suck. 15x magnification with only 15mm diameter lens would be horrible. I’m guessing that you really meant 15×50mm binoculars.  I’m sure they are very good, but unless you REALLY need superb optics $1200 isn’t likely to be worth it.  Plenty of other companies make good binoculars in that range for a fraction of that price.      - Ken

Optics are just like any other hobby.  You can get a very nice fly rod for $150, but some spend $600. My own personal opinion is that 15X binoculars are too high in magnification for anything I would want to do.  Keep in mind that normally imperceptible hand shake is tremendously annoying at 15X.  Magnification that high is best when used with a tripod.  My all purpose piece of junk is 8X wide field. It’s kind of like asking is a Winston 10 weight a good fly rod.  Not if you’re fishing for brown trout under normal conditions, it isn’t.   Before you go spend $1200, ask yourself if you need 15X. Once you make that determination, then go choose your optics.  If I was going to spend anywhere near that kind of money, Swarovski would be high on my list. Scott

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My own personal opinion is that 15X binoculars are too high in magnification for anything I would want to do.  Keep in mind that normally imperceptible hand shake is tremendously annoying at 15X.  Magnification that high is best when used with a tripod.  My all purpose piece of junk is 8X wide field.

The last time Haley’s comet came along, (or maybe it was that other astronomic letdown), I had a pair of cheapo 10×50’s (Tasco?) and a passing interest in astronomy.   To my surprise, if I managed to brace myslf and hold steady, I could see a few of Jupiter’s moons & Saturn’s rings.   Pretty cool, but not enough to make me buy a telescope. Joe F.

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If I was going to spend anywhere near that kind of money, Swarovski would be high on my list.

I’d have to second that!  Swarovski optics will make the glass Cannon uses look like the bottoms of Coke bottles.

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http://betterviewdesired.com/EagletEgret.html http://www.swarovskioptik.com/nf/us/start.htm TL MC

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If I was going to spend anywhere near that kind of money, Swarovski would be high on my list. I’d have to second that!  Swarovski optics will make the glass Cannon uses look like the bottoms of Coke bottles.

So I guess it’s alot like Rollex watches, Nikkon cameras, Mount Blank fountain pens, Oakly sunglasses, and my personal fav, gen-u-whine ersatz Coheeba see-gars… TC, R ….and I’d recommend not dealing with "Leroy of Times Square" for anything ’spensive…

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Cannon 15X15 Binoculars I’m guessing that you really meant 15×50mm binoculars.  I’m sure they are very good, but unless you REALLY need superb optics $1200 isn’t likely to be worth it.  Plenty of other companies make good binoculars in that range for a fraction of that price. Optics are just like any other hobby.  You can get a very nice fly rod for $150, but some spend $600.

Slightly different.  In optics money generally buys you bigger and/or better glass.  Definitely a diminishing returns past a point, but looking through a 50mm scope vs an 80mm scope it "should" be obvious which is better from a purely viewing point of view. My own personal opinion is that 15X binoculars are too high in magnification for anything I would want to do.  Keep in mind that normally imperceptible hand shake is tremendously annoying at 15X.  Magnification that high is best when used with a tripod.  My all purpose piece of junk is 8X wide field.

Absolutely right.  And if the original poster is still listening and does want a tripod mounted large binocular I’d still suggest looking elsewhere.  I think Celestron has some HUGE 20×80 or 11×70 beasts in the $400-$500 range.  The 20x is primarily for astronomical viewing and the 11x is primarily for low-light terrestrial viewing, but with a decent tripod they can be used interchanged. It all depends on what you are looking for.      - Ken

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and my personal fav, gen-u-whine ersatz Coheeba see-gars…

        In the glass top box? I got a really good deal on those.

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There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks."

Someone once told me that rainbow trout originated on the Pacific coast of Siberia. This guy is an outfitter on the Kamchatka Peninsula, so I took it with a grain of salt (bullshit detectors at work, Wayno , but it’s an interesting idea. I’m pretty sure that rainbows are native to Siberia, so there’s no reason they might not have originated there rather than in North America. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’m pretty sure that rainbows are native to Siberia, so there’s no reason they might not have originated there rather than in North America.

Rainbows originated in the North Pacific basin, along with cutts and Pacific salmon. They were first classified by a Swedish scientist studying fish from Kamchatka, but there is no real evidence that they actually evolved there.

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Someone once told me that rainbow trout originated on the Pacific coast of Siberia. This guy is an outfitter on the Kamchatka Peninsula, so I took it with a grain of salt (bullshit detectors at work, Wayno , but it’s an interesting idea. I’m pretty sure that rainbows are native to Siberia, so there’s no reason they might not have originated there rather than in North America.

The Russians certainly think this.  There are even some that think there’s evidence Oncorhynchus sp. as a group originated there.  The evidence is purely phenotypic, though, and they concede the evidence admits other possibilities.  Go to: http://www.psmfc.org/workshops/shconf98.html and scroll down to the last abstract, "The Diversity of Pacific Trouts in Kamchatkan Water Bodies". A "final" answer will probably have to await complete sequencing of the DNA from a number of native populations across the entire range of the species.  That’s no doubt a long way off.  There’s a lot of research being done on the genetics of rainbow trout (a complete nucleotide sequence for mitochondrial DNA was published in ‘95).  Much, probably most, of it is on hatchery and/or introduced populations rather than native ones. JR

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… a complete nucleotide sequence for mitochondrial DNA was published in ‘95) …

Datapoint – within each cell of a human, there is one strand of mitochondrial DNA and 23 pairs (46 strands) of nuclear DNA. For salmon/trout, there is again just one strand of mitochondrial DNA but anywhere from ~26 to 39 pairs of nuclear DNA. The mitochondrial DNA is interesting because it is passed down maternally, so it is useful for tracking lineage. It is also the case that it is only ~16,500 base pairs (roughly letters) long and not highly variable. Nuclear DNA (also called genomic or genetic DNA) on the other hand is passed down from both parents, is constantly mixed up in each individual, and is really the stuff that controls who/what each of us is and or could be. In humans, genetic DNA represents roughly 3 billion base pairs, and in salmon/trout, roughly 2.4 billion base pairs. Many fish studies to date have tried to draw conclusions from the easier-to-work-with mitochondrial DNA, but the really interesting results will come from an in-depth study of the nuclear DNA.  As of last year, the more advanced studies going on in the Columbia Basin were drawing conclusions based on 17/1000 of 1% of the nuclear DNA. Thomas Gilg

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Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico. San Diego county drainages had steelhead and salmon runs as late as the 1940’s. Recently, steelhead were discovered in San Mateo creek, just north of Camp Pendleton in San Diego county, and efforts are underway to return this stream to a viable steelhead fishery.  (A very uphill battle!) If you live in the San Diego/Orange County area and would like to participate in a ‘Camping/Cleanup" being conducted on September 8 and 9 (no fishing, strictly a habitat improvement mission), send me email and I’ll send you the details. FiddleAway

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Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico.

?? JR

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Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico. ??

At least when the last ice age retreated 10-13,000 years ago, there were ice sheets on both sides of the Columbia River, hence the Columbia is where salmon held over during the last ice age, and once the ice retreated, those salmon spread north and south to their current range. Going back in time, it would be interesting where else salmon many have "held over" and "originated". –tg

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Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico. ?? JR

There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks." Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks."

That’s interesting. I’ll steal a glance at that section of the book on my next visit to Borders, if they haven’t gone and sold it yet. (Sorry, Rich). Still, even if southern stocks of native rainbows are the oldest, it doesn’t necessarily mean that those stocks were the first to adopt anadromy. FiddleAway:  Do folks know where the steelhead "discovered" in Mateo Creek came from?  Are they strays or what?  Also, if you haven’t yet seen it, you might be interested in: http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/species/steelhead/ JR

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Michael McGuire There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks."

One theory is that Colorado Cutts are the grandaddies of the west coast trout strains.  The theory is that seagoiong cutts migrated into the Sea of Cortez and down the east coast of Baja, when the latter had a much wetter climate. Eventually these strains migrated down around Cabo and up the Pacific Coast, becoming the Steelhead/Rainbows we know today. The sourthern steelhead eventually developed a tolerance for warmer waters and a life cycle that could tolerate their home streams not being open to the sea every year. As I said before, salmon and steelhead were caught in San Diego county through the 1940’s (maybe later).  There is currently a trout fishery in Mexico on the Pacific side of its central mountain range.  The Melling Ranch is a commercial outfit that caters to people who wish to try this fishery … these trout are not seagoing trout, however. Today, there are still a few steelhead that return to Malibu Creek just north of LA.  At one time, NMFS had set Malibu as the southernmost point for giving special protection status to the fishery.  They’ve balked at extending the protective unit as far as San Mateo creek on the border of Orange/San Diego county, but DNA evidence has shown the trout found there to be a unique strain of southern steelhead.  Not sure what the current legal status is.  I think NMFS is still dragging its heels, but local clubs and conservation associations are continuing to push for restoration of this fishery. Hence, the clean up. FiddleAway

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John Russell  wrote FiddleAway:  Do folks know where the steelhead "discovered" in Mateo Creek came from?  Are they strays or what?  Also, if you haven’t yet seen it, you might be interested in:

The folks I talked to pretty much subscribe to the theory I posted in another response. The study of the creek ensued after trout where caught in its upper reaches. Fin clippings from some 40 odd individuals showed that all of the trout were in the same, 2 year old, generation.  This fact correlated to a heavier winter, two years prior, that had opened up the mouth of the Creek to the ocean. DNA analysis ruled out any relation to stocked strains.  These were natural fish that chose to migrate into the creek from the ocean. FiddleAway

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John Russell  wrote FiddleAway:  Do folks know where the steelhead "discovered" in Mateo Creek came from?  Are they strays or what?  Also, if you haven’t yet seen it, you might be interested in: The folks I talked to pretty much subscribe to the theory I posted in another response.

You’ll have to excuse me if I seem dense, but in your response to Michael (which is the only other one I’ve seen on my server, and I’m assuming is the one you mean), you only say that "DNA evidence has shown the trout found there to be a unique strain of southern steelhead."   The study of the creek ensued after trout where caught in its upper reaches. Fin clippings from some 40 odd individuals showed that all of the trout were in the same, 2 year old, generation.  This fact correlated to a heavier winter, two years prior, that had opened up the mouth of the Creek to the ocean. DNA analysis ruled out any relation to stocked strains.  These were natural fish that chose to migrate into the creek from the ocean.

So you’re saying that these are resident San Mateo rainbows that two years ago, for the first time in decades (or longer) migrated to sea–which is not at all impossible.  Or, in other words, that they are *not* strays from a neighboring population (either wild or stocked). Here’s the reason I asked (taken from the comments of the Southern California Steelhead Recovery Coalition to NMFS proposed extension of the S. Cal Steelhead ESU): "Although steelhead are known to have well-developed homing abilities (see P. B. Moyle, Inland fishes of California, [1976]), it is also known that southern steelhead commonly stray from their natal streams. This straying may be selectively advantageous because it would allow spawners to opportunistically utilize more favorable streams when their natal streams dried up or were blocked.  (See P. Higgins, Southern California Steelhead Recovery Assessment [1991]). An additional feature of southern steelhead is that they ‘miraculously’ reappeared in large spawning runs when flows became suitable in streams that had been dry or otherwise inaccessible during the previous one or more years. The implication is that streams within the historic range of the Southern California Steelhead ESU that are currently unoccupied may be rediscovered by steelhead at anytime. These unoccupied streams are likely to be discovered when habitat conditions in currently occupied streams are less favorable, indicating that all of the historical range of the Southern California Steelhead ESU is essential for the survival and recovery of this ESU." There’s a larger issue at stake here than the fate of the San Mateo population, as important as that is. JR

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So you’re saying that these are resident San Mateo rainbows that two years ago, for the first time in decades (or longer) migrated to sea–which is not at all impossible.  Or, in other words, that they are *not* strays from a neighboring population (either wild or stocked).

No.  I haven’t heard of any evidence for that.  The DNA evidence shows that these trout are related to other southern steelhead. However, I’d be surprised if there aren’t at least anecdotal reports of people catching steelhead in San Mateo creek earlier in the century when all of the drainages in San Diego county were less impacted by development.  This would be consistent with the passage you quoted from the SCSRC. There’s a larger issue at stake here than the fate of the San Mateo population, as important as that is.

I agree, if you are talking about Southern Steelhead in general as the ‘larger issue’. FiddleAway

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One theory is that Colorado Cutts are the grandaddies of the west coast trout strains.  … An interesting theory…I have not read that one.  

I haven’t either.  I have to admit, I am passing on information I got from someone I know who I take to be well informed on the subject. FiddleAway

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One theory is that Colorado Cutts are the grandaddies of the west coast trout strains.  The theory is that seagoiong cutts migrated into the Sea of Cortez and down the east coast of Baja, when the latter had a much wetter climate. Eventually these strains migrated down around Cabo and up the Pacific Coast, becoming the Steelhead/Rainbows we know today.

An interesting theory…I have not read that one.  My understanding is that the rainbow and cutthroat ancestral lines diverged perhaps as long ago as the Pliocene, and then each ancestral line diverged again to become the species/subspecies that we find today (redband and coastal rainbows and the various subspecies of cutts). Interestingly enough, the southernmost known species of salmonids occurring in watersheds that drain to the Pacific (the Mexican Golden Trout, Apache Trout, and Gila Trout) all appear to be more closely related to rainbows than to cutts.  I would expect the reverse to be true if Colorado River cutts represent the ancestral strain.

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At least when the last ice age retreated 10-13,000 years ago, there were ice sheets on both sides of the Columbia River, hence the Columbia is where salmon held over during the last ice age, and once the ice retreated, those salmon spread north and south to their current range. Going back in time, it would be interesting where else salmon many have "held over" and "originated".

Actually, there appear to have been perhaps 4 evolutionary lines of Rainbow (or Rainbow ancestors) in the Sea of Cortez during the four Pleistocene glacial maxima.  These evolutionary lines are thought to be the source of Apache trout, Gila trout, Mexican Golden trout, and several other unclassified strains (if not distinct species) in the Sierra Madre Occidental range in Mexico.

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(snip) Thanks, Dave

Dave, Don’t fish in Virginia!  There are no fish here!  All the fish are in Pennsylvania!  More fish are in New York!  So, don’t fish the Shenandoah, the upper Potomac, Stoney Creek, etc.  THERE ARE NO FISH THERE!  HONEST!!  Fish the Inner Harbor at Baltimore!  Many fish there.  More than you can possibly catch! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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I saw on the Trout Unlimited web site http://www.tutv.org/html/maryland.html info about the Gunpowder river outside of DC.

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There is this little body of water that some call the Chesapeake Bay. There are a few fish in it. Good luck.

Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave — Flyfish NC                                                   Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com                                                                  

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Dave –         There’s more water within a couple of hours of Baltimore than you could reasonably fish in a lifetime.   I’ve lived in that area (actually DC) off and on for many years, and I’d be happy to introduce you to some of the local waters.   Drop me an email, and we’ll arrange to talk sometime.                                 Michael Roegner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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Dave, I Live in Baltimore and fish the Gunpowder river, at least once a week. It is about a 30-45 minute drive, depending on where you live.  Since our drought last summer, the fishing hasn’t been too hot. Plus the bay tribs are great for stripers now. Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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Dave: Ditto that for me.   I’m 20 mi north of Balto.   Two excellent fly shops in the area, The Fisherman’s Edge & On the Fly.   A couple good streams nearby, dozens more within a few hours’ drive. Drop me a line & I’ll fill you in. Joe Fleischman

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Hello, this is Caddis 7 I saw on the Trout Unlimited web site

http://www.tutv.org/html/maryland.html info about the Gunpowder river outside of DC. Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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Hello, this is Caddis 7

I read you, Caddis 7.  How are things out there?  Over. a big 10-4, buddy.  Mark Faulkner

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Hi, check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you.     Hi All…..         Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks

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Try out the following links. http://killroys.com/patterns/patterns.htm http://www.flyline.com/flys/patrns.htm http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/list.html#Stream http://www.algonet.se/~sjostran/English/10018.htm http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/roman.htm http://www.traflyfish.com/tying/index.htm http://www.virtualflybox.com/pattern_list.shtml Also, some help links are listed bellow. http://www.buckeyeflyfishers.com/fly_frame.htm http://www.masterfx.com/Flysnest/Class.htm Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Hi All…..        Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks

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check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you. http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett

The words on your images are hard to read.  Try a bigger font.  Also, what do you do after palmering your hackle to the rear?  The wire alone is enough to hold it in place? Mu

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check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you. http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett The words on your images are hard to read.  Try a bigger font.  Also, what do you do after palmering your hackle to the rear?  The wire alone is enough to hold it in place?

He might want to point out that the ribbing wire should be counter-wound over the palmered hackle…

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He might want to point out that the ribbing wire should be counter-wound over the palmered hackle…

I guess it’s implied in his specific instruction to wind the hackle clockwise from front to back (I assume as viewed from the head down the length of the fly).  Winding the wire as usual (clockwise) from rear to front would mean it’s counterwound around the hackle.  What I don;t understand is whether or not the wire alone provides a secure anchor for the hackle once it reaches the rear of the fly.  I ordinarily counterwind the ribbing anyway, but am usually winding all materials from rear to front. Mu

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Thanks Mu, I will try again with the fonts. Yes the wire ribbing holds the palmered hackle just fine. I usually wrap the wire once before spiraling forward. I use the same technique with elk hair caddis and all other flies that have palmered hackle. check my site. It is in its infancy but I hope to add links to other useful sites. Please let me know which sites you find that are of help to you. http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett The words on your images are hard to read.  Try a bigger font.  Also, what do you do after palmering your hackle to the rear?  The wire alone is enough to hold it in place? Mu

– Vic Brockett http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett

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Hi Mu, Sorry for the second note but you have it exactly right. When I was tying the hackle in the back by the tip and trying to counterwrap the wire, I had trouble tying off the wire because it was being wrapped counter clockwise. I find the new way much easier and more durable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He might want to point out that the ribbing wire should be counter-wound over the palmered hackle… I guess it’s implied in his specific instruction to wind the hackle clockwise from front to back (I assume as viewed from the head down the length of the fly).  Winding the wire as usual (clockwise) from rear to front would mean it’s counterwound around the hackle.  What I don;t understand is whether or not the wire alone provides a secure anchor for the hackle once it reaches the rear of the fly.  I ordinarily counterwind the ribbing anyway, but am usually winding all materials from rear to front. Mu

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Try this one; http://www.fishnet.com.au/flyswap/ See the flybox or try a fly swap – it’s a good way to see what other people tie. Many patterns from around the world, but mostly tied by Aussies – nymphs to flashy profiles. Cheers John Knight Sydney FlyRodders’

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http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk Over 200 pages and 400 images. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Hi All…..        Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks

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    Hi All…..         Does anyone know where i can find some patterns and tips on the net…… Thanks

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I got hooked on it this summer and I recommend that you check out www.kayakfishing.com  Spike is really knowledgeable and I know that you will find what advice you need there.  I got a Malibu 2 (Ocean Kayak) and love it all the way.  i have boated some very large fish from this thing and am now really confident that the sit-on-tops are the way to go. Fish-on I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

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I saw someone fly fishing from a kayak this past weekend.  It was quite the site!  I think they were in a Perception Carolina? My Old Town Heron has a large cockpit area but its heavy (50lbs or so) so its not easy to carry long distances.  You ought to look at Dagger’s Atlantis, its a large cockpit and its a pretty light boat. — http://www.ncseakayak.com North Carolina’s Headquarters for Sea Kayakers! Before you buy.

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Ifly fish about 4 days a week, from my kayak’s mostly. I’ve migrated to dagger’s delta & bayou models. Their stable & stealth I can park them anywhere with low profile they get little wind drift. I use a 2 ft. hand paddle to position boat  from place to place as i fish. my wife claims I’ve become obsesed,I think i’ve finialy discovered the ultimate fly fishing vehicle.  good luck& enjoy

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much.

The Pungo seems to be a big seller in the Atlanta area, but I like my Ride (also by Wilderness Systems). The Ride is a sit-on-top as opposed to an open cockpit, and if keeping your butt dry is important it’s probably not for you<g. The Ride is also probably more awkward to carry than the Pungo, I got a set of wheels that slip on the back of a kayak or canoe to use on mine. — Charlie…

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Chuck, I use to fish from a small boat I owned and sometimes from canoes I rented. I sold the boat and didn’t fish for many years. This past summer I decided to fish again and thought to buy a canoe but ended up buying a kayak. I’ll share the details – maybe it will be of help in some way. – canoes were more expensive than I thought and the   idea of using a kayak came to mind. I had no idea what kayaks cost – thought they might be cheaper. I had never heard of anyone fishing from a kayak but thought maybe it would work. – I wanted something small enough to store in my garage.  I did some research online. I was surprised at how long and how expensive some kayaks are. I identified the major companies and the smaller, less expensive models. I narrowed my search to about 3 kayaks. Only one of them had a distributer close by (20 miles away). They had a website and I got the basic info from that. I called and made arrangements to come look at the model of interest – an Old Town – Otter – they had to bring it in from their warehouse several miles away. They had a ‘Loon’ – a more expensive and longer model in stock that was nice but I bought the Otter for just over $300. – the otter is 9′ 6" long and fits just perfect on top of my car, it has a large open cockpit easy to enter/exit, it is not built to ‘roll’ – which having never ridden in a kayak I didn’t know how to do, and I’m not sure ‘rolling’ and fishing go together anyway! It fits nicely in my garage. It weighs 39 pounds – about as light as I could find- and is easy to carry. – I knew nothing about tracking, speed, compounds etc when I bought it but I think all that turned out ok with what I got and the casual fishing I’m doing. – I didn’t know if there would be enough room to fish comfortably from a kayak but it turned out there is – for me. All my ‘gear’ goes in my small backpack – the other items are a paddle and a ‘life jacket’ and one fishing rod. I have a bow line and a stern line tied to the kayak – they are used to tie the kayak to the car. When I launch – I tie the bow line to my paddle and the stern line to my pack – in case I ever flip. I rest my legs on the pack – it’s right in front of me with easy access to my lures etc. I’ve learned to rest the paddle across the kayak when not in use and to ‘fish around it’. I’ve never had a problem  landing a fish because the paddle got in the way. – I don’t know if other styles of kayaks such as those you ’sit on top’ would work better or not – I’ve never tried one. I have made trips of up to 3-4 hrs without getting out of the kayak – I can shift my seating position a little and that helps- but you can’t move around much. -kayak fishing isn’t for everyone, but I like it. I’m small (5′ 8"), a good swimmer (also scuba certified), very comfortable in and around the water, comfortable in confined spaces (use to do some cave exploring). I like being low on the water while I fish – and the way I’m able to move the kayak into places larger craft don’t go – in and around the bank / stumps etc – and it’s so peaceful and quiet – I can come up on fish very quietly – some even swim over to check me out. I think I enjoyed my past canoe trips because it ‘put me close to nature’ – and with the kayak I feel even closer. – the places I fish have boat ramps, but once I went where there was no ramp. I had to carry the kayak down a hill about 50 feet. It was not a problem – but it did take more effort than I thought it would. I wouldn’t want to carry it a hundred yards! – as for negatives, the kayak tips over relatively easy – (that hasn’t been a problem for me), it’s sensitive to the wind – this can be a challenge while trying to fish – sometimes I can take advantage by drifting, depending on shoreline location or even doing some trolling. – I’ll be happy to share other info or answer questions. -larry

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You should look into the Old Towne Loon series.  They have a large open cockpit and are very stable. Bill Bernhardt

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Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?

The Pungo would be a great choice – stable, roomy, relatively fast for its size, not too heavy to cart around.

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Here are two sites to try: http://www.waldenkayak.com/models.html ( scroll down to the Walden Scout ) and http://www.otccanoe.com/loon138.html check out the Old Town Loon 138

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Hey Chuck, I do alot of fishing from a sit on top out here in the Pacific ocean. I have an ocean kayak scupper classic. This is a popular boat out here for fishing from. It is about 14 feet long, fairly stable, and has two big hatches so you can store gear inside the kayak. It doesn’t roll, you will fall off before you roll it…but the best thing that I have found is to sit sideways, with your feet in the water when fishing. This makes the boat very stable, I have never even come close to feeling like I was going to tip, when sitting sideways. Its also really comfortable that way. Necky also makes some nice models for fishing and so does Perception. Our company makes some wheels which use the drain holes on many sit on tops as mounting points,(that way the cart can’t slip off the back of the kayak when going over curbs, rocks, roots, etc.) they collapse so you can fit them inside the hatches on the kayak. This is really handy, because once you get to the water, you just disassemble the wheels and take them with you instead of having to take them back to the car. You can make some pole holders out of pvc pipe, or mount some of the holders available at tackle stores to the deck of the kayak, which is really handy. We put sonar on our kayaks too, once you outfit the kayak you have a great fishing machine…This might be more info than you asked for, but what can I say, Im enthusiastic about the sport. Good luck E Scary Sports http://www.scarysports.com

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type. Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

Chuck, look at this site before you do anything: http://www.kayakfishing.com/ Also, make sure you look at all the different boats that might suit your purpose (lake, river, or ocean fishing). In recent years, there have been many innovations, especially in plastic sitontop boats, so give them a try before settling for a more "traditional" solution. For example, Ocean Kayaks, Perception, and Cobra all have models that come with decks molded to accept small coolers, SCUBA tanks, dry bags, caught fish, etc., that are instantly accessible from the seat. Some have hatches that open into compartments that can be used as live bait or fish wells, and can even be equipped with areators. These kayaks can also be outfitted with small anchors or sea drogues to help with drifting, clips to hold spare paddles and rods, rod holders, etc. Perception sells "outback" models of a couple of its boats that are fully geared up for the "outdoorsman," with many of the options I mentioned above. Have fun! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Get the Pungo.  It’s a GREAT fishing kayak!! Courtney Rapid Adventures

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak,

The Perception Axess comes in two styles, one style is specificly designed and outfitted for fishing. The boat is a "closed" cockpit type but can easily be paddled without a skirt on flat water and the front of the cockpit area is equipped with little tackle trays and such goodies. It is a very stable boat and a lot of thought went into the bow hull design to reduce the "slapping" of the water that spooks fish. The fishing version of this boat comes in subdued colors, and as far as I know, it is the only boat of its kind anywhere at any price. The whitewater variant is a full-on creek boat and the only real differences are in color, cockpit design and outfitting. The fishing axess has a pretty cool rod holder built in as well. Its a nice nice boat, and yes, I have paddled it. take care have fun go fishing :wq Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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What is the best line size for small mouth fishing?

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What is the best line size for small mouth fishing?

Since smallies rarely get over 6lbs in our neck of the woods, I use 6lb Maxima (or 4lb if I want to be really subtle) on my spinning gear. I use 10-12lbs test on my baitcaster for crank baits where finesse is not a requirement. And unlike largemouth you don’t often have to horse smallies out of heavy cover so anything over 10lbs is probably overkill. David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.

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I have used a 7wt rod/line combo. When fishing in the shallows I look for a shorter leader, say a six footer with an eighteen inch tippet. This setup also works well in windy conditions. In deeper water like around rocks in the middle of a lake where there might be a dropoff I use a sinktip line with as long a leader as possible usually around ten feet. This is all subject to change if there is a lot of wind. Then I usually stay home and fly a kite!   Hope this is some help. A guy who knows one heck of a lot more than I do set me up this way and it seems to work.                                                         Best of luck,                                  J.Christian Decker,  Danville, NH

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What is the best line size for small mouth fishing?

Largest flies needed for SMB are #4 streamers tied sparse, which a #7 fly line can carry to maximum range.  (If not, go one fly size smaller or one fly line size heavier.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I thought this group was for fly-fishermen, not Bass Masters.  I normally use a six weight line for streamers (sink tip) and an eight weight wf floating for poppers etc…

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I use anywhere from an eight weight down to a five. It depends on the stream and the fly that I want to fish with. My tippets will be from a 6x all the way to a 1x for the big ones! Jon Porter

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Hi all, are there any flyfishing related shows coming up in Seattle in the next few weeks? Al.

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Yes, there is a show this week in the Kingdome.  It is not a fly fish only show.  However it will feature presentation casting, fly shops, etc.  Most of the major manufacturers should be there too. SAGE, etc. It is the International Sportsman Exhib.  Usually a very good show, one of my favourites. Best Fishes, Marilyn Murphy Murphy’s Sportfishing Vancouver Island, BC "Your West Coast Fishing Information Source"

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        I just moved to boulder, to start school, and do not know any places to fish.   I have been fly fishing for 3 years, on the east coast, and would like to start out here.   I would be greatful if anyone could e-mail with info on good spots and what to fish with.   The closer to campus the better.   While I do not have a car, I could probably find a ride, if the stream was good enough. Ryan Crow

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The Thompson has plenty of great holes. Also if you have the means, drive up to Tucker Ranch (all the way up Baseline), and hike down the path on your right. There is a great little stream I’ve pulled many from. Jonathan Claxton

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Greetings, So… we’re back from a great MTB camping trip out to a place called Capp’s Crossing.  Its about 14 Miles south of Hiway 50 just past Placerville in the Sierra National Forest in California.   Nice small camp site next to a running stream.  The camp site was well maintained and there was lots to do (Rock Climbing, Hiking, Swimming, Fly Fishing, MTBing, Strategic Naping, etc.) The trails in the area are generally usage maintained logging and 4WD road.  Some of the road haven’t been maintained in years, are over grown and make for a wild, rather technical run which includes running over downed logs of various sizes, deep slit tracks, erosion berms, rock gardens and a couple of drop-offs. Riding these trails was a blast but it was the first time I had encountered deep, deep slit.  This stuff was fine as talc and about 3 inches deep.  Just running straight through it  kicked up clouds of dust that coated everthing.  Riding in this stuff was a challenge.  It offers substancial rolling resistance such that rolling  into it at speed would catch you off guard and almost throw you. Anyway,  riding through this stuff felt like my backend was loose.  It would feel like it was sliding around, sideways.  My rear WTB ‘raptors did great on the climbs but my guess is that the tread pattern is optimized for climbing (duh!) and not for holding laterally (therefore, you slide).  Cornering was tough too.  I think I started getting better traction on corners when I would lean the bike way over thereby engaging the outside edging knobs.  The big trick was to stay in front so you could breath.  Otherwise you were riding in a dust storm. So you would exit the slit bed and run smack into a rock garden. Sometimes uphill, sometimes down.  Boulders ranged in size from marbles to softball.  To add to the challenge, the garden was rutted where other 4WD have driven.  That made staying on the line you chose very hard – but fun.  You had to change techniques quickly and keep up the speed lest you lose momentum, stop and be cursed by you riding buddy behind you (who can’t see you through the dust). Now with this combo of terrain I tried to keep my front pressure up at around 40 and my rear at 35 or so. Correct my if I’m wrong but for the slit you want lower TP for more tire surface area and for the rocks you want a higher TP to prevent snake-bites.  Snake-bites aside, is it generally better to run a lower TP? 35 and 30? Lower?  Too low?  Also, anyone have a experience with realy soft slit?  Tips on bike handling? ( While you at it any tips on bike handling on fire road gravel – you know, sharp, crushed rock over hard pan.  I alway get the feeling my tires are breaking traction cause the rock just rolls.) Thanx,                 _Marc Marc E. Strohwig                                Opinion? Mine, mine, mine!! System Architect SEI SIG                                           Compuserve: 70613.502   FAX: (510) 645-3096

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over downed logs of various sizes, deep slit tracks, erosion berms, … encountered deep, deep slit.  This stuff was fine as talc and about 3 … So you would exit the slit bed and run smack into a rock garden. … anyone have a experience with realy soft slit?  Tips on bike handling?

SILT. SILT. SILT. SILT. SILT. Slit: a long, narrow cut, tear or incision Silt: a sedimentary material composed of fine mineral particles (Sorry.  I don’t normally correct typos but when it is the subject of your message and you use it over and over again, it would be helpful if you spelled it right.  Same goes for the guy who wants "DISK BREAKS."  I think most of us would prefer to not break anything.) -Robin

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: I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go : and fish.  I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details.  Anyone : else have additional info? Heh – looks like he’ll have lots of time to use it this year — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic?  He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns!  And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans?  Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? Regards, Bill Uyeki

I know they say he spends his off season in Montana.

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic?  He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns!  And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans?  Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season?

I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go and fish.  I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details.  Anyone else have additional info?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: interramp.com!psinntp!psinntp!uunet!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!gat ech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.netins.net!bj.palmer.edu!SCHMIDT_K Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Palmer Chiropractic University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: bj.palmer.edu Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic?  He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns!  And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans?  Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go and fish.  I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details.   Anyone else have additional info?

The Coach actually has a home just outside of Kalispell Montana, near Lakeside. (has two basketball courts too! nice place) and he also helped start a physical fitness gym there called ’second wind’ right up on the hill in Kalispell. So, I imagine he fishes when he gets home.

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic?  He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns!  And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans?  Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? Regards, Bill Uyeki

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