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this is a huge area for a country where it rains constantly, and which is therefore awash with good fishing rivers and lakes.   There are pages and pages to be written about each of the counties you’re mentioning. I strongly suggest three books (or two, depending on whether you prefer to fish rivers or loughs/lakes.) http://www.moytura.com/irishbooks/sport1.htm for Peter O’Reilley’s definitive books on loughs and rivers. Also "A Man May Fish", written maybe in the sixties , for an account of fishing in Ireland that will make you want to spend a lot longer than a day doing it. You can start looking for secon hand copies on bookfinder.com at http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?st=sl&ac=sl&qi=WQ0EJCyJRTTzZZcAfRgT1i9 WQ0eGIYgT:122:227 Best Wishes Lazarus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello- My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in the latter part of September this year.  We will mostly be visiting with family while there, but will have about 1 week to explore after that.  We are mostly interested in Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon areas.  We might have just a day to fish. Does anyone have experience fishing in this area?  Good streams/rivers to check out?  Any suggestions of a good outfitter to rent us the necessary gear for a day? Thanks in advance for any input! Betsy in Santa Fe

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Thank you to Dave and Lazarus for your replies.  Yes, I will check out those books, Lazarus.  Dave, thanks for the Google suggestion.  I had actually already done that.  I guess I wasn’t clear enough in my original post, but I was hoping for some personal accounts or experiences to be shared.  Just a differnet approach for us to consider before we leave… Thanks again! Betsy

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Hello- My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in the latter part of September this year.  We will mostly be visiting with family while there, but will have about 1 week to explore after that.  We are mostly interested in Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon areas.  We might have just a day to fish. Does anyone have experience fishing in this area?  Good streams/rivers to check out?  Any suggestions of a good outfitter to rent us the necessary gear for a day? Thanks in advance for any input! Betsy in Santa Fe

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Bwalker writes: My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in the latter part of September this year.  We will mostly be visiting with family while there, but will have about 1 week to explore after that.  We are mostly interested in Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon areas.  We might have just a day to fish. Does anyone have experience fishing in this area?  Good streams/rivers to check out?  Any suggestions of a good outfitter to rent us the necessary gear for a day? Thanks in advance for any input! Betsy in Santa Fe

Go to www.google.com (or any of the other search engines), and type in "fly fishing" + "Ireland".  You will get lots of hits.  The info is at your fingertips. hth Dave

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A merry (year end festible of choice) to all of you. May the beer god smile apon you and your stockings be filled with bamboo rods, cool vests, waders, zingers and other tools of joy! Even you daytripper, get a bamboo ok? Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more

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A merry (year end festible of choice) to all of you. May the beer god smile apon you and your stockings be filled with bamboo rods, cool vests, waders, zingers and other tools of joy! Even you daytripper, get a bamboo ok? Flyfish

Bah! Humbug! If God had meant us to fish with cane, He’d have them grow with the guides and a UPS shipping label already attached… /daytripper (who actually owns four cane rods but prefers plastic)

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I’m in with a variation of the wet McGinty my favorite bluegill fly.      Jim Robinson * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Frank Church writes:

(snip) This could get interesting.

The timing is a little off.  Fishing season starts next week (for me) in Maine for a month.  I won’t have time to tie, but I can come up with 12 flies (all of them catchers of trout) from my fly box.  They ain’t presentation flies, but they catch fish.  Count me in, Frank. Dave LaCourse

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Count me in too, Frank.  Sounds like fun. I would appreciate a little info about how to use the fly as well, i.e. how to fish it, for what species, etc. Pat K

enough – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -interest is shown I will serve as swapmeister.  

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You touch a sensitive point here. Isn’t it remarkable that flies you intend to give away have to meet much higher standards than the flies you fish with? Suddenly the flies you put all your trust in at the water aren’t good enough to pass on to somebody else. So why not tie them ‘presentable’ in the first place? Same problem here.. I intend to tie CDC & Elk’s #14 for the swap, have plenty in my box, but I allready know I’ll tie 12 new, immaculate ones. Herman Frank Church writes: (snip) This could get interesting. The timing is a little off.  Fishing season starts next week (for me) in Maine for a month.  I won’t have time to tie, but I can come up with 12 flies (all of them catchers of trout) from my fly box.  They ain’t presentation flies, but they catch fish.  Count me in, Frank. Dave LaCourse

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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OK Ope, your in.  With Pat and Dave LaCourse, we have 9 now.  Stay tuned and we’ll see if we can get the minimum 12 (or more, why not?) Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank, Count me in.  I don’t tie very well yet, but the flys I have tied, especially my nymphs, catch trout.  I’ll do my best to not disappoint the tie masters! Opie

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OK folks, I hadn’t planned to volunteer for a fly swap but if enough interest is shown I will serve as swapmeister. Watch out for the whiners who don’t get Mike Connor’s flies–and be prepared to eat the postage costs –Steve

Screw the whiners, and those that send flies without postage..guess what…*I* get to keep their flies! Frank Church

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It’s probably not a big deal to have "doubles" in the swap, ie: 2 guys tying the same flies, but it would be nice if everyone got a complete mix of flies.  So how about if those who want to join in the swap indicate to me on or off list what fly you intend to tie. When this thing jells (or not) next Thursday, I will publish a complete list of the tiers and what they intend to tie. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

I intend to tie  CDC & Elk’s #14 for the swap, have plenty in my box, but I allready know – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ll tie 12 new, immaculate ones. Herman

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Count me in Frank, post the details at your convenience.                             Tom Littleton

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OK Paul, you’re on the list. Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am still a fairly new fly tier but this sound very interesting .  Please add my name to the list and let me know what happens.

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Frank, Count me in.  I don’t tie very well yet, but the flys I have tied, especially my nymphs, catch trout.  I’ll do my best to not disappoint the tie masters! Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK folks, I hadn’t planned to volunteer for a fly swap but if enough interest is shown I will serve as swapmeister. Watch out for the whiners who don’t get Mike Connor’s flies–and be prepared to eat the postage costs –Steve

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Steve Z OK folks, I hadn’t planned to volunteer for a fly swap but if enough interest is shown I will serve as swapmeister. Watch out for the whiners who don’t get Mike Connor’s flies–and be prepared to eat the postage costs –Steve

Every time I tied on a MC fly in NC, I caught a trout.  Great ties.  I have found that if you complain, just a little, you won’t have to eat the postage costs. <g Dave,  regularly fed on "postage costs". d;0)

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As mentioned in a previous post, I have participated in a few fly swaps a fly swap or two during the year?  Winter is a good time for most of us that live in cold country, and are probably at the tying bench anyway.  As a newbie flytyer, I found this a good way to acquire some really well tied flies, and moved me to get at the vise and tie, tie, tie. (read learn, learn, learn)  Several fly swaps, each with a different "swapmeister", say a warmwater swap, and one for trout.  The number of people signing up for a swap would determine how many flies you would tie, and you would receive the same number. How about some feedback folks, how many would be interested in participating in a venture of this nature? Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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Frank, Count me in. I hosted the last swap on ROFF, somewhere last year, and the number of participants was quite low compared to the number of regulars over here. Hope this one will be different. What _might_ work is a favourite simple fly swap? The thing you tie on when you haven’t got a clue what’s working, the ‘looks like shit but catches an uncanny amout of fish’fly, the ‘I can tie these with my eyes closed, a bottle of Lagavullin’ down the hatch and still outfish anyone’fly? Cheers, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As mentioned in a previous post, I have participated in a few fly swaps a fly swap or two during the year?  Winter is a good time for most of us that live in cold country, and are probably at the tying bench anyway.  As a newbie flytyer, I found this a good way to acquire some really well tied flies, and moved me to get at the vise and tie, tie, tie. (read learn, learn, learn)  Several fly swaps, each with a different "swapmeister", say a warmwater swap, and one for trout.  The number of people signing up for a swap would determine how many flies you would tie, and you would receive the same number. How about some feedback folks, how many would be interested in participating in a venture of this nature? Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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How about some feedback folks, how many would be interested in participating in a venture of this nature?

Count me in Frank.  I’d say let’s start asap, but I am still tying my donations to the western raffle.  Although a few more wouldn’t hurt. . . — Warren Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html Before you buy.

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…What _might_ work is a favourite simple fly swap? The thing you tie on when you haven’t got a clue what’s working, the ‘looks like shit but catches an uncanny amout of fish’fly,…..

I happen to have one of those, Herman.  And I even have recent witnesses as to it’s efficacy.  Count me in.

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Are you sure those witnesses weren’t influenced by the ‘recreational herbs’ as Ken put it? Herman …What _might_ work is a favourite simple fly swap? The thing you tie on when you haven’t got a clue what’s working, the ‘looks like shit but catches an uncanny amout of fish’fly,….. I happen to have one of those, Herman.  And I even have recent witnesses as to it’s efficacy.  Count me in.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Are you sure those witnesses weren’t influenced by the ‘recreational herbs’ as Ken put it?

Doesn’t matter, really.  Herbs are widely available; no reason we can’t repeat the recipe whenever needed.

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Now you’re making me curious.. so this swap has to succeed, no matter what. We’re still talking about flies, right? Are you sure those witnesses weren’t influenced by the ‘recreational herbs’ as Ken put it? Doesn’t matter, really.  Herbs are widely available; no reason we can’t repeat the recipe whenever needed.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Now you’re making me curious.. so this swap has to succeed, no matter what. We’re still talking about flies, right?

Huh?  Flies?    :) O.K. Yes, we are talking about flies.  I was introduced to a pattern called a Pass Lake by the Malignant Dwarf many years ago.  Clipped mallard flank tail, fine black chenille for the body, a couple of turns of brown hackle swept back, and a white calf tail wing trude style.  This bug resembles nothing that ever lived in a stream or a lake and it has a perverse tendency to sink when you want it to float and vice versa.  Doesn’t matter much though because it consistently takes fish either way.  Trout and blue gills love it.  Herbs are optional, season to taste.

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I’d be in for a "favorite" flyswap. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As mentioned in a previous post, I have participated in a few fly swaps a fly swap or two during the year?  Winter is a good time for most of us that live in cold country, and are probably at the tying bench anyway.  As a newbie flytyer, I found this a good way to acquire some really well tied flies, and moved me to get at the vise and tie, tie, tie. (read learn, learn, learn)  Several fly swaps, each with a different "swapmeister", say a warmwater swap, and one for trout.  The number of people signing up for a swap would determine how many flies you would tie, and you would receive the same number. How about some feedback folks, how many would be interested in participating in a venture of this nature? Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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OK folks, I hadn’t planned to volunteer for a fly swap but if enough interest is shown I will serve as swapmeister.  This can be either warmwater or trout type flies (your choice)  For this thing to be worth the effort for everyone, not the least of which is *me*, we must get a MINIMUM of 12 swappers.  I will be on the road until Monday or Tuesday, so in the meantime you can decide if you want to participate.  Post your name to ROFF so we can all see who is in the swap.  So far, we have: Frank Church Herman Nijland Warren Findley Wolfie Willi Loehman newer tiers among us, you don’t have to be an "expert" at this (as I certainly am not)  just be willing to give it a shot. From past experience, a few rules will apply should this proposed swap actually come about____ 1.  We will set a deadline as to when I must receive all the flies. 2.  Send your flies in a container that is apt to survive the USPS. 3.  Include return postage with your offering, and I will mail your flies back to you in the      container which you originally shipped to me. 4.  Put a tag on the hook naming the fly, the tyer, and any other pertinent info.      (without this, the recipients will have to guess, you wouldn’t want that, would you?  :-) 5.  In my experience, 30 days is about enough time for everyone to get ‘em tied and back to me.     There are always one or two who wait to the last possible minute and are late getting the flies in,     so a grace period will be set, and only I will know that so you procrastinators need to take heed. That’s about it…..it would be nice to have a lot of participants, think about it. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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How many flies were we talking about here? Mu

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I am still a fairly new fly tier but this sound very interesting .  Please add my name to the list and let me know what happens. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK folks, I hadn’t planned to volunteer for a fly swap but if enough interest is shown I will serve as swapmeister.  This can be either warmwater or trout type flies (your choice)  For this thing to be worth the effort for everyone, not the least of which is *me*, we must get a MINIMUM of 12 swappers.  I will be on the road until Monday or Tuesday, so in the meantime you can decide if you want to participate.  Post your name to ROFF so we can all see who is in the swap.  So far, we have: Frank Church Herman Nijland Warren Findley Wolfie Willi Loehman newer tiers among us, you don’t have to be an "expert" at this (as I certainly am not)  just be willing to give it a shot. From past experience, a few rules will apply should this proposed swap actually come about____ 1.  We will set a deadline as to when I must receive all the flies. 2.  Send your flies in a container that is apt to survive the USPS. 3.  Include return postage with your offering, and I will mail your flies back to you in the      container which you originally shipped to me. 4.  Put a tag on the hook naming the fly, the tyer, and any other pertinent info.      (without this, the recipients will have to guess, you wouldn’t want that, would you?  :-) 5.  In my experience, 30 days is about enough time for everyone to get ‘em tied and back to me.     There are always one or two who wait to the last possible minute and are late getting the flies in,     so a grace period will be set, and only I will know that so you procrastinators need to take heed. That’s about it…..it would be nice to have a lot of participants, think about it. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED

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OK folks, I hadn’t planned to volunteer for a fly swap but if enough interest is shown I will serve as swapmeister.

Watch out for the whiners who don’t get Mike Connor’s flies–and be prepared to eat the postage costs –Steve

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That depends on the number of participants.  With 12 participants, say, each one ties 12 (of the same) flies of their choice, mail them to me, then I will re-distribute the flies so everyone gets 12 different flies.  We will have to wait to see how many sign up.  I think the cut-off date for sign-up should be a week from now, 24 May.  Then we’ll know how many you have to tie. I want to stress that this is a "your favorite fly" swap,  so anything goes as far as what fly you choose to tie and submit.  This could get interesting. Frank Church Elkhart, IN – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many flies were we talking about here? Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject. Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

   Its funny that you talk about the h & l variant as i call it because out here in Colorado it’s a very popular fly.  in fact it’s one of my favorite to tie and fish.  I didn’t know the history behind it and that’s very interesting. fly patterns are very interesting and sometimes entertaining to hear the stories behing them and the way their popularity changes over time.

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It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I

Quite possibly every new pattern that aims at exact imitation starts as a "regional" pattern, so far as what it imitates lives in some places and not others.  E.g. cress bugs were invented by Pennsylvania tyers for Pennsylvania streams, even though you can find crustacea everywhere that look like them. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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You are fishing an area and are hitting it regularly and waiting for the good fishing to start and it’s just a bit early and then the one time you don’t go you hear that everybody slammed them that day.  Tht is what happened to me this past weekend.  Ihave been fishing the Roanoke River constantly for a month or so fo the stripers to get going and getting a few but not really hot and heavy.  This past weekend I decided to stick aROUNd the house with the wife and of course I then heard that the fish were in thick and everybody caught a ton.  Figures. Gordon

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You are fishing an area and are hitting it regularly and waiting for the good fishing to start and it’s just a bit early and then the one time you don’t go you hear that everybody slammed them that day.

Here in California on the coast there is an affliction called "alltimers disease" which plagues surfers.  The morning you don’t come out all your buddies catch it.  The next time you’re told "man (dude may be substituted), they were pumpin’.  All time best!"  Check your source for the following symptons: 1.  You usually outfish them 2.  When they tell a story where you are involved, only a tentative link to the reality of the situation remains. If either of these conditions are met, keep a close eye on them.  If both of these conditions are met, for godness sakes, don’t let them fish alone, they could be a prime candidate for Alltimers! Phil

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You are fishing an area and are hitting it regularly and waiting for the good fishing to start and it’s just a bit early and then the one time you don’t go you hear that everybody slammed them that day.  Tht is what happened to me this past weekend.  Ihave been fishing the Roanoke River constantly for a month or so fo the stripers to get going and getting a few but not really hot and heavy.  This past weekend I decided to stick aROUNd the house with the wife and of course I then heard that the fish were in thick and everybody caught a ton.  Figures. Gordon

Are you fishing the section near Brookneal VA. ?  Yes, it happens to me about every year.  Usually when I go, there has been rain up stream and the river is too muddy to fish.  Let me know if the stripers are

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That is what is great about living next to a river.  You can check it out every day. Jeff

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And, I have also had times where I and perhaps one or two others were the only ones on the river and we/I caught fish on every cast for the entire tide ! If you go often enough it all works out. — "The true Angler is content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are fishing an area and are hitting it regularly and waiting for the good fishing to start and it’s just a bit early and then the one time you don’t go you hear that everybody slammed them that day.  Tht is what happened to me this past weekend.  Ihave been fishing the Roanoke River constantly for a month or so fo the stripers to get going and getting a few but not really hot and heavy.  This past weekend I decided to stick aROUNd the house with the wife and of course I then heard that the fish were in thick and everybody caught a ton.  Figures. Gordon

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Happens to all of us!  Fortubnatly, there is always tomorrow John W. Kramer Clearwater Outfitters @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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I’ve only gone fishing a few times in my life and I’m currently in the Pittsburgh area.  Since all I have is a fishing rod, what I need is some starting points.  If anyone knows of fishing sites in the Pittsburgh area along with the appropriate season for fishing there, I would appreciate Thanks.

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I’ve only gone fishing a few times in my life and I’m currently in the Pittsburgh area.  Since all I have is a fishing rod, what I need is some starting points.  If anyone knows of fishing sites in the Pittsburgh area along with the appropriate season for fishing there, I would appreciate Thanks.

Serene Fly-Fishing Adventures fishing all of Pa top waters from Erie tribs to W.B.Delaware for wild trout.  Cent Pa limestone contact Pete for mor info.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only gone fishing a few times in my life and I’m currently in the Pittsburgh area.  Since all I have is a fishing rod, what I need is some starting points.  If anyone knows of fishing sites in the Pittsburgh area along with the appropriate season for fishing there, I would appreciate Thanks. Serene Fly-Fishing Adventures fishing all of Pa top waters from Erie tribs to W.B.Delaware for wild trout.  Cent Pa limestone contact Pete for mor info.

There’s 2 or more books out for streams in PA. Don B. Wishful collector of Gillums and Dickersons – owner of Montague, H-I and Heddons

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: I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly : Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the : wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? A fuzzbumping rugmuncher?  Is that in current usage in your neck of the woods?  Could you draw a diagram, Tim, please?  I am not quite sure, I quite understand. . . .   (really). I would like to pass this one on to some gay and lesbian friends  :-). Burnaby, BC

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I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? TimW T-Bone, man, you crack me up. Your posts are as entertaining as it gets. It makes wading through all the flames to get at useful FF info. all worth while. Keep it up! Silent Fan, JD.

With his general age (oldest living flyfisherperson), condition (must have high bp and or suffering from metabolic imbalance judging from posts) and temperament (terminal irascibility, newly recognized condition, see last New England Medical Journal) T-Bone needs all the encouragement he can get just to think about getting it up, much less keeping it up. Note:  According to the FDA eating hatchery fish may have deletorious effects on your health.  Read the list of chemicals used in hatcheries to prevent the spread of disease etc.  How many has Tim eaten? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TimW T-Bone, man, you crack me up. Your posts are as entertaining as it gets. It makes wading through all the flames to get at useful FF info. all worth while. Keep it up! Silent Fan, JD. With his general age (oldest living flyfisherperson), condition (must have high bp and or suffering from metabolic imbalance judging from posts) and temperament (terminal irascibility, newly recognized condition, see last New England Medical Journal) T-Bone needs all the encouragement he can get just to think about getting it up, much less keeping it up. Note:  According to the FDA eating hatchery fish may have deletorious effects on your health.  Read the list of chemicals used in hatcheries to prevent the spread of disease etc.  How many has Tim eaten? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

FRANKLY T-BONE; I’m sorry I missed that new fly tying contest but appreciate the fact you accepted my winning entry called, "The Hatchery Pellet Fly".  ;)  Dressed with XINK, it settles The Hatchery Pellet at the proper rate and the diseased trout that are on all those hallucinating drugs, (the same ones McGuane seems to be on) to prevent the spread of ‘Hallucinating’ – is more apt to catch suckers, rather than trout.  (the same as a McGuane Sucker)  Those we throw over the hatchery fence . . . if I remember right. Hang tough T-bone.  Everyone knows that the best policy for hatchery reared trout is a gut-em & eat-um program anyhow.  EVERYONE knows that, except the McGuanes who know nothing of value.  Besides, with trout going for $4 dollars a pound, look at all the grocery bills one can save killing the trash fish the State Raises?  I think this is why your staff gave me the winning prize for the most productive fly ever conceived for catching Hatchery Trout.  I told you T-bone, you had to tie that damned thing on behind one of those service barns . . . didn’t I? Does this mean we should write the book, "Matching the Pellets? unsilent fan, George/Mr. Gink

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<snip I must apologise to the rest of the world that there are others in this country that do not have manners, who are ill-bred, and totally discourteous.  I mean this most sincerely.  Therefore, everyone; please excuse me for I will not stoop to this individual’s level.  It appears

<snip George Gehrke/American Sportsman

George, you recently called Hilary Clinton, who is, last I recall, a private citizen, a lesbian, with the main purpose of the claim being to smear her.  This seems to this pilgrim to be discourteous.  I suggest you stick to reading for a while, until you learn some manners and civility.   Regardless of how we feel about the topic, it ain’t about fly fishing. There are a variety of newsgroups that are devoted to this type of debate.  Polite behavior in the clan would dictate that you confine your discussions on these topics to those newsgroups.  If you are as polite and courteous as you assert yourself to be, you will do so in the future.   I suggest that you try alt.politics.clinton, where you will find some kindred souls, as well as some flaming liberals that you can sharpen your teeth on.

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I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? TimW

T-Bone, man, you crack me up. Your posts are as entertaining as it gets. It makes wading through all the flames to get at useful FF info. all worth while. Keep it up! Silent Fan, JD.

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George, you recently called Hilary Clinton, who is, last I recall, a private citizen, a lesbian, with the main purpose of the claim being to smear her.  This seems to this pilgrim to be discourteous.  I suggest you stick to reading for a while, until you learn some manners and civility. Regardless of how we feel about the topic, it ain’t about fly fishing.[rip]

I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? TimW

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No Sandy — just honest and accurate.

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We all ought to thank George Gehrke for providing some fun. (thanks George!). Seems like a lot of people where surprised to realize what a jerhke George is. (right wing, opinionated, arrogant, mean-spirited, pea-brained, etc). Well, I met George at an FFF conclave about 10 years ago, when I was trying to sell boats. George was (then): a) old b) arrogant, opinionated, pompous, greedy, stupid, pea-brained (then and now) So, by mentioning this observation, am I mean-spirited too? —

No.  I think it makes you a liar and an exaggeration to the definition of what "A Sportsman" is all about.  There are ladies and gentlemen in this world . . . and then there are the sandy’s. I must apologise to the rest of the world that there are others in this country that do not have manners, who are ill-bred, and totally discourteous.  I mean this most sincerely.  Therefore, everyone; please excuse me for I will not stoop to this individual’s level.  It appears Sandy may have been an abused child and needs to strike out at anything that represents ‘a father figure’. It is seldom that I’m disappointed with others who make claim to being in the faturnity called, "Fly Fishermen".  Overall, they gracious, kind and loving people. AS for the Sandys in this world?  At least I know, I’m a winner. George Gehrke/American Sportsman

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We all ought to thank George Gehrke for providing some fun. (thanks George!). Seems like a lot of people where surprised to realize what a jerhke George is. (right wing, opinionated, arrogant, mean-spirited, pea-brained, etc). Well, I met George at an FFF conclave about 10 years ago, when I was trying to sell boats. George was (then): a) old b) arrogant, opinionated, pompous, greedy, stupid, pea-brained (then and now) So, by mentioning this observation, am I mean-spirited too?   —

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They are supposed to have legislation pending on that issue but as of right now, there are no restrictions.  They will try to dissuade you if you ask a park ranger or someone like that.  They will also give citations for not having a life preserver.  My friend received one. Curtis Fry:  Fry’s Utah Fly Fishing Page  http://www.et.byu.edu/~fryc

All anglers on the Green are required to wear life vests because they change the water levels frequently there, and people have gotten trapped midstream.   As for float-tubing the Green, you’d have to be pretty crazy.  Doug burton, who guides on the Green, tells me they rescue several upside-down float-tubers every season and also lose a few. —   The above opinions are of the author only, and are not endorsed by SET-BC.               Special Education Technology – British Columbia

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I used to live about an hour and a half from the Green and fished there regularly. do NOT float the Green in a tube!!! I have seen one accident and the body of another tuber that was not so lucky! This is a river, and as such, deserves more respect! Sean Clark

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.

     The "formula" for slinkies is something like the following (sometimes I make them; sometimes I buy them – I’m an amature at this):      You start with hollow nylon cord.  Strong cord is called parachute cord, but you can also find this in any hardware/Kmart/etc. as drapery cord.  I also got some from the camping section.  It is a woven nylon cord with another nylon string/cord inside.  You start by cutting it somewhere and extracting the inside cord, leaving a hollow core.      You need a small butane lihgter for the next steps.  the cord is cut into small lengths, ranging from 2 to 4" in length.  Take the butane lighter, heat one end of a strip to the melting point and close it.  You can use a piece of paper or cardboard to do this and prevent small burns and nylon sticking to your fingers.      Then you fill the tube with split shot, using size 6’s or 8’s.  The little tubes will take about 4, and the big tubes will take up to 8 or so.  In this manner, you will be able to adjust the weight you use, depending on the current where you are fishing.      The next step, of course, is to close the tube.  You push the spli shots down close to each other, against the closed end, and then you heat the other end.  Repeat the process for closing it up.      You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind.      I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your leader?

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writes:     You can buy equipment and lay it all out (cut pieces, split shot, lighter, etc.), and make slinkies on a "production" basis – just like tying up 2 dozen flies of the same kind.     I suppose the next question will be how to attach them to your

leader? I find it interesting what people will do just to say they are flyfishing.  There is a  perfect rig for this outfit, it is called spinning. Ernie Harrison

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.

If you’re not losing hooks and lead on the bottom, you are not trying hard enough. A simple way to go deep is to double a short length of nylon over your leader (with one shot to hold it in place) and add as many shots as you need to get the depth.  When they hang, with luck they will slide off the end and you’ll get most of your terminal tackle back. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials.

  Unless you’re into S&M, slinkys and flycasting don’t mix.     A better bet is to make small "mini heads" out of lead core trolling line. Cut the leadcore into several six and twelve inch segments. Whip a loop onto each end of these segments. You can now loop these to the end of your leader in any combination you please. To make an thirty inch head loop two twelve’s and six incher together and so on. Tie the tippet directly to the terminal loop of your head.    The result is a relatively easy mess to cast that will get you *down* and doesn’t tend to hang up. Excellent system when fishing surf on rocky coast lines where every cast gets wrapped in crud.    Tight lines and open loops, Ralph

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You can buy "Quick Kits" that include the cord, pre-stuffed with shot. Contact: Scott Eno, P.O. Box 373, N. Syracuse, NY 13212.  In some tackle shops, his one ounce kit sells for $6.95.  If you should decide to buy the shot and cord separately, I urge you NOT to cut the cord to length before stuffing the shot into them.  Do what Scott Eno has done: stuff the entire cord with shot (one end sealed with a lighter/candle) then just cut and singe to the size you desire.  Cutting the cord first leads to wasted cord as it readily unravels when you stuff the shot in.

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To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons

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Bob, in CA we take green paracute cord and singe the end with a match. Then stuff with BBs or other shot to desired weight and singe the remaining end.    Clip this onto a snap swivel to place on your line ahead of the lure or bait.  I never heard of this for fly fishing but it is popular with bait fisherman in salmon and steelhead water. To whom it may concern:     I want to fish the Genesee River in Rochester, NY but was told I need to get slinkys otherwise conventional split shot will forever hangup.  Can anyone provide me with some solid information on what I need to make these.    I was told parachute cord and buckshot.  I bought both and neither fit. Pls be as detailed as possible and it would be a big help if you could in- dicat where one could get some of the materials. Thanks, Bob Lyons

– Tim Ackerman "Everyone Lives Downstream"

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I am trying to find out about the Bonaventure River in Quebec and in particular what kind of permits/licenses/arrangements need to be made to fish this river. Can someone give me a pointer?  Thanks in advance. – Rick —        Advanced Languages Project – University Computing Services        Lederle Graduate Research Center        University of Massachusetts             Amherst, MA  01003

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* Le 12-26-94, RICK HUDSON exprimait . ALL le propos suivant: RHI am trying to find out about the Bonaventure River in Quebec and in RHparticular what kind of permits/licenses/arrangements need to be made to RHthis river. Can someone give me a pointer?  Thanks in advance. Try calling 1-800-567-8584, it’s the number of my local fly shop it’s some kind of specialty of the owner and staff to know these thing since they serve US customers often. And they have some kind of list of all local association for salmon fishing in Quebec. Au plaisir de vous lire, Denis Lamy Trois-Rivieres (Quebec, Canada) ~~~ * VbReader 2.2 #67 * Un comite au moins six pattes, mais aucun cerveau.

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