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(shit, gotta teach these friggin’ yankees EVERYTHING!)

    tell me about it.  it’s been my personal burden for decades. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Where are these photo essays posted at? Tim Apple

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Where are these photo essays posted at? Tim Apple

Here’s the link to the page on Peter’s site…some nice water on display. http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/strmr-13.html Cheers, Bill

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Hmm…. Very nice, Peter. otoh, remind me never to take you to any of my favorite New Hampshire brookie ponds ‘lessen you leave your shootin’ iron at home!

and why not?  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Speakin’ of brookie ponds, I hit two of the best on a sparkling White Mountain Fall day, one pond in the morning ’til lunch, the other after lunch ’til dark. Took three of my Winstons in the canoe, a 9/3 with a tiny white parachute midge on 7x, a 9/5 with a damselfly on 5x, and another 9/5 with a Type 6 uniform sinker tipped with a #10 Silverside. I was loaded for bear. The sky was blue, the sun was hot…and the wind was beginning to rise. Some nasty tropical weather is apparently coming up here to die and fighting that wind taxed the hell out of my trollin’ motor battery, not to mention making dry fly fishing more challenging at times. But I was determined to fish the three weight at least once this year so I set out, working along the windward bank, and had a ball. A 14" cold water brookie on this rod feels like a monster and before the first lap of the pond I was lucky enough to catch a couple of biguns to go with as many shorts. Kept working a dry fly along the shore line on a second lap catching the odd fish, ’til the rising wind pushed me into the clutches of The Dark Side and I took to trolling the deep middle with the supersinker. In short order – three passes over the really deep spot in the pond – I had caught a matched pair of slabby females and one precocious male short that was colored up like he meant business *this* year…

Did you set up the canoe of the windward side of the lake and let the wind blow you across?  Years ago, I watched a TV spot with two guys in Quebec in a wooden boat that was a cross between a canoe and a row boat.  There was a wicker chair at each end and the guys were stretched out, fly rods over the side, letting the wind push them across.  Looked mighty peaceful way to fish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Right about noon, feeling nicely toasted by rays, wind, and whatever, I pulled out and headed over to my first favorite little brookie pond and had lunch while the battery charged up. The wind had risen well beyond the 3 weight so I was down to the dry and wet fives. All afternoon I was looking for that "just barely legal" fish to boink and consume In The Name Of Tim. I fished the hell out of that pond with dry fly and streamer until near dark battling wind and white caps and wishing I had a dagger board clamped up alongside the bow. I did catch a half dozen fish before dark, but all were either undersized or honestly just too big – this close to spawning season I just can’t whack a big ol’ cow brookie or her old man (that’s *my* principle and I won’t be moved by some confused BassMaster wannabee out in Colorado . Still, felt like fish for dinner, so at dark as I drove back to my cabin I threw a reach cast into the little grocery in beautiful downtown Franconia and pulled out some Kipper snacks, smoked oysters, real cheddar cheese, and some gnarly bread that the local hippy bakery up here supplies to the store. And some *excellent*  Tuckerman Pale Ale, brewed by Kirsten and Nik at Tuckerman Brewing Company in Conway. www.tuckermanbrewing.com Just one of the *many* New England brews that would kick that pommy Sleeman’s ass back to Saskatoon

ya right, take twenty of those yankee cabbage water brews to measure up to one Sleemans and it’s Guelph, not Saskatoon and the original Mr. Sleemans was probably a kraut, not a pommy (shit, gotta teach these friggin’ yankees EVERYTHING!) Hoping to meet up with Dave "Flyfish" Bottom in the morning on the Magalloway. It looks pretty grim on weather.com… /daytripper  ("Mmmmmm….Kipper snacks!"

Haven’t had kippers since I was a kid – keep this up and you might get a surprise guest one day and you might be able to twist my arm enough for me to drink some of that cabbage water. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Bob Patton’s and Bill Mason’s photos are now up. Yet to come: Meramec – Bob Patton Whitemans Creek, ON Spring Creek, PA Penns Creek, PA Credit River, ON Rapid River, ME Bronte Creek, ON Saugeen River, ON AuSable, NY 18 Mile Creek, NY or until I run out of space on the server. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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forgot the URL http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/strmr-13.html Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Bob Patton’s and Bill Mason’s photos are now up.

Thank you again, Peter.  Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most.  The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me.  I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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//snip// Thank you again, Peter.  Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most.  The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me.  I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill

I’ll second Bill’s comments. Thanks, Charles. Now, where the hell is Frenchman’s creek? Gotta go there soon! Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – //snip// Thank you again, Peter.  Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most.  The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me.  I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill I’ll second Bill’s comments. Thanks, Charles. Now, where the hell is Frenchman’s creek? Gotta go there soon! Bob

Hmm…. Very nice, Peter. otoh, remind me never to take you to any of my favorite New Hampshire brookie ponds ‘lessen you leave your shootin’ iron at home! Speakin’ of brookie ponds, I hit two of the best on a sparkling White Mountain Fall day, one pond in the morning ’til lunch, the other after lunch ’til dark. Took three of my Winstons in the canoe, a 9/3 with a tiny white parachute midge on 7x, a 9/5 with a damselfly on 5x, and another 9/5 with a Type 6 uniform sinker tipped with a #10 Silverside. I was loaded for bear. The sky was blue, the sun was hot…and the wind was beginning to rise. Some nasty tropical weather is apparently coming up here to die and fighting that wind taxed the hell out of my trollin’ motor battery, not to mention making dry fly fishing more challenging at times. But I was determined to fish the three weight at least once this year so I set out, working along the windward bank, and had a ball. A 14" cold water brookie on this rod feels like a monster and before the first lap of the pond I was lucky enough to catch a couple of biguns to go with as many shorts. Kept working a dry fly along the shore line on a second lap catching the odd fish, ’til the rising wind pushed me into the clutches of The Dark Side and I took to trolling the deep middle with the supersinker. In short order – three passes over the really deep spot in the pond – I had caught a matched pair of slabby females and one precocious male short that was colored up like he meant business *this* year… Right about noon, feeling nicely toasted by rays, wind, and whatever, I pulled out and headed over to my first favorite little brookie pond and had lunch while the battery charged up. The wind had risen well beyond the 3 weight so I was down to the dry and wet fives. All afternoon I was looking for that "just barely legal" fish to boink and consume In The Name Of Tim. I fished the hell out of that pond with dry fly and streamer until near dark battling wind and white caps and wishing I had a dagger board clamped up alongside the bow. I did catch a half dozen fish before dark, but all were either undersized or honestly just too big – this close to spawning season I just can’t whack a big ol’ cow brookie or her old man (that’s *my* principle and I won’t be moved by some confused BassMaster wannabee out in Colorado . Still, felt like fish for dinner, so at dark as I drove back to my cabin I threw a reach cast into the little grocery in beautiful downtown Franconia and pulled out some Kipper snacks, smoked oysters, real cheddar cheese, and some gnarly bread that the local hippy bakery up here supplies to the store. And some *excellent*  Tuckerman Pale Ale, brewed by Kirsten and Nik at Tuckerman Brewing Company in Conway. www.tuckermanbrewing.com Just one of the *many* New England brews that would kick that pommy Sleeman’s ass back to Saskatoon Hoping to meet up with Dave "Flyfish" Bottom in the morning on the Magalloway. It looks pretty grim on weather.com… /daytripper  ("Mmmmmm….Kipper snacks!"

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dammit scott……. i hate these reports that remind me of my misspent youth. sannibel and captiva…. wonderful places… –waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island. I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end. Of course, it’s been so long since I’ve dealt with a spinning rod that my line hand kept reflexively picking up the monofil from the open bale.  Made a mess, but my friend really got a kick out of it-  he’ll be making fun of me for a long time.  Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook.  We stopped at most water control structures, and avoided some good spots to avoid giving them away.  My friend fishes this area at least three days a week, and knows it like the back of his hand. Saw tons of mullet, which look like they’d be quite takable with a 3-5 weight and a scud.  Saw some large tarpon rolling.  Caught some snapper. Had to be careful about hooking the cormorants.  Not much snook available. Seems like we didn’t hit the tide right, but my time was limited, so we went anyway.  Had a beautiful day on the water, getting some sun, and catching up on a friendship gone by too long. Saw the park’s resident saltwater croc, the huge white pelican that is too old to migrate, some softshelled turtles (had to stop to assist one off the road), and some big birds with yellow feet that seemed quite impressive to those who pulled over to take pictures.  The island is like a jungle, just a beautiful place with large tracts of forever wild areas.  Highly recommend it.  Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod. Scott

– Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business Scott guess no one will talk to you now SPINNING  ROD ??????

Forget the spinning rod!  HAND-SIZED shrimp tossed at snook?  Now that’s a waste of good food. Mu

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  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business Scott guess no one will talk to you now SPINNING  ROD ??????

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After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island.

Was that "deer on friends?"  Some cabalistic rites? I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end.

Two vehicles, crammed into one space?  Ding Darling?  Is that some gay latino strip club? Tell me again, which end was up against a live shrimp? Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook.

Drive by snooking.  Hey, we used to do that in L.A.! Saw some large tarpon rolling.

Big bamboo? Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod.

Hey, this IS a fly fishing group, ya moke! Scott

Sounds like a good trip.  Thanks for sharin’.  Will see you and Penns! Your resident smartass Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business Scott guess no one will talk to you now SPINNING  ROD ??????

Hey John– when in Rome….. Scott

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@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com: After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island. Was that "deer on friends?"  Some cabalistic rites? I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end. Two vehicles, crammed into one space?  Ding Darling?  Is that some gay latino strip club?

Frank– I said Sannibel, not Key West!! Tell me again, which end was up against a live shrimp?

Does your question have anything to do with some experience at a latino strip club??  :-) Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook. Drive by snooking.  Hey, we used to do that in L.A.! Saw some large tarpon rolling. Big bamboo?

Nah, tarpon have tried that in the past, but they have a huge problem with canoeing, being at best half underwater and all.  Tarpon are thus largely on the straight and narrow, but not by choice.  They have been known to quickly enjoy margaritas, before the ice melts, of course, and being in salt water, they have no need for salt on the rim. Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod. Hey, this IS a fly fishing group, ya moke! Scott Sounds like a good trip.  Thanks for sharin’.  Will see you and Penns! Your resident smartass Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

Yeah, see ya at Penns.  If it would ever stop snowing here, I’ll seam-seal my tent. Scott

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Hey John– when in Rome….. Scott OK BTW meeting went very well Program was outstanding, did you know Mike could not be there ?? I ran the meeting, you know when the cats away the mice will play, we had FUN

Glad to hear it.  I was a little worried about things when I bumped into Mike in the airport in Chicago!! Scott

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Hey John– when in Rome….. Scott

OK BTW meeting went very well Program was outstanding, did you know Mike could not be there ?? I ran the meeting, you know when the cats away the mice will play, we had FUN

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After a longish start to a conference on neural control of motion on the Gulf Coast, I carved out an afternoon to spend the day with some dear on friends who now live on Sannibel Island. I drove the hour and fifteen minutes North, to be herded into a vehicle that immediately took me to Ding Darling preserve, where I fished for snook with local methods–  a spinning rod with hand sized live shrimp on the business end. Of course, it’s been so long since I’ve dealt with a spinning rod that my line hand kept reflexively picking up the monofil from the open bale.  Made a mess, but my friend really got a kick out of it-  he’ll be making fun of me for a long time.  Our approach was drive-by snooking, driving slowly along the road looking for snook.  We stopped at most water control structures, and avoided some good spots to avoid giving them away.  My friend fishes this area at least three days a week, and knows it like the back of his hand. Saw tons of mullet, which look like they’d be quite takable with a 3-5 weight and a scud.  Saw some large tarpon rolling.  Caught some snapper.   Had to be careful about hooking the cormorants.  Not much snook available.   Seems like we didn’t hit the tide right, but my time was limited, so we went anyway.  Had a beautiful day on the water, getting some sun, and catching up on a friendship gone by too long. Saw the park’s resident saltwater croc, the huge white pelican that is too old to migrate, some softshelled turtles (had to stop to assist one off the road), and some big birds with yellow feet that seemed quite impressive to those who pulled over to take pictures.  The island is like a jungle, just a beautiful place with large tracts of forever wild areas.  Highly recommend it.  Next time, I’ll bring a fly rod. Scott

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flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish

If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish…… Dave

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flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish……

Knowing Ed and Dave, they’ll probably sleep in the truck…if they haven’t gotten it stuck somewhere. Dave B: if you come in from Wilson’s, use the NEW road. There’s a bridge missing on the Old Middledam Road… /daytripper (whose Pathfinder nearly "found" Sturtevant Stream one night)

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Having never been myself I’ll have to let Mud navigate. Lemme see, if we leave early the 10th we should be there for the camp breaking exercises. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish…… Knowing Ed and Dave, they’ll probably sleep in the truck…if they haven’t gotten it stuck somewhere. Dave B: if you come in from Wilson’s, use the NEW road. There’s a bridge missing on the Old Middledam Road… /daytripper (whose Pathfinder nearly "found" Sturtevant Stream one night)

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Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go to Paul Goodwin’s site: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Hope to see you and Mudfish there. Dave Dave LaCourse

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flyfish writes: Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish

Go to Paul Goodwin’s site: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Hope to see you and Mudfish there. Dave Dave LaCourse

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The thread I started a month or so back to announce the web page went off topic and down hill fast. You can find the site at: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Day_tripper supplied most of the photos for the flies. The one pattern I need a good photo of is a strawman. If anyone has one please email it to me. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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I got hooked on it this summer and I recommend that you check out www.kayakfishing.com  Spike is really knowledgeable and I know that you will find what advice you need there.  I got a Malibu 2 (Ocean Kayak) and love it all the way.  i have boated some very large fish from this thing and am now really confident that the sit-on-tops are the way to go. Fish-on I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

– MZ

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I saw someone fly fishing from a kayak this past weekend.  It was quite the site!  I think they were in a Perception Carolina? My Old Town Heron has a large cockpit area but its heavy (50lbs or so) so its not easy to carry long distances.  You ought to look at Dagger’s Atlantis, its a large cockpit and its a pretty light boat. — http://www.ncseakayak.com North Carolina’s Headquarters for Sea Kayakers! Before you buy.

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Ifly fish about 4 days a week, from my kayak’s mostly. I’ve migrated to dagger’s delta & bayou models. Their stable & stealth I can park them anywhere with low profile they get little wind drift. I use a 2 ft. hand paddle to position boat  from place to place as i fish. my wife claims I’ve become obsesed,I think i’ve finialy discovered the ultimate fly fishing vehicle.  good luck& enjoy

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type.  Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much.

The Pungo seems to be a big seller in the Atlanta area, but I like my Ride (also by Wilderness Systems). The Ride is a sit-on-top as opposed to an open cockpit, and if keeping your butt dry is important it’s probably not for you<g. The Ride is also probably more awkward to carry than the Pungo, I got a set of wheels that slip on the back of a kayak or canoe to use on mine. — Charlie…

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Chuck, I use to fish from a small boat I owned and sometimes from canoes I rented. I sold the boat and didn’t fish for many years. This past summer I decided to fish again and thought to buy a canoe but ended up buying a kayak. I’ll share the details – maybe it will be of help in some way. – canoes were more expensive than I thought and the   idea of using a kayak came to mind. I had no idea what kayaks cost – thought they might be cheaper. I had never heard of anyone fishing from a kayak but thought maybe it would work. – I wanted something small enough to store in my garage.  I did some research online. I was surprised at how long and how expensive some kayaks are. I identified the major companies and the smaller, less expensive models. I narrowed my search to about 3 kayaks. Only one of them had a distributer close by (20 miles away). They had a website and I got the basic info from that. I called and made arrangements to come look at the model of interest – an Old Town – Otter – they had to bring it in from their warehouse several miles away. They had a ‘Loon’ – a more expensive and longer model in stock that was nice but I bought the Otter for just over $300. – the otter is 9′ 6" long and fits just perfect on top of my car, it has a large open cockpit easy to enter/exit, it is not built to ‘roll’ – which having never ridden in a kayak I didn’t know how to do, and I’m not sure ‘rolling’ and fishing go together anyway! It fits nicely in my garage. It weighs 39 pounds – about as light as I could find- and is easy to carry. – I knew nothing about tracking, speed, compounds etc when I bought it but I think all that turned out ok with what I got and the casual fishing I’m doing. – I didn’t know if there would be enough room to fish comfortably from a kayak but it turned out there is – for me. All my ‘gear’ goes in my small backpack – the other items are a paddle and a ‘life jacket’ and one fishing rod. I have a bow line and a stern line tied to the kayak – they are used to tie the kayak to the car. When I launch – I tie the bow line to my paddle and the stern line to my pack – in case I ever flip. I rest my legs on the pack – it’s right in front of me with easy access to my lures etc. I’ve learned to rest the paddle across the kayak when not in use and to ‘fish around it’. I’ve never had a problem  landing a fish because the paddle got in the way. – I don’t know if other styles of kayaks such as those you ’sit on top’ would work better or not – I’ve never tried one. I have made trips of up to 3-4 hrs without getting out of the kayak – I can shift my seating position a little and that helps- but you can’t move around much. -kayak fishing isn’t for everyone, but I like it. I’m small (5′ 8"), a good swimmer (also scuba certified), very comfortable in and around the water, comfortable in confined spaces (use to do some cave exploring). I like being low on the water while I fish – and the way I’m able to move the kayak into places larger craft don’t go – in and around the bank / stumps etc – and it’s so peaceful and quiet – I can come up on fish very quietly – some even swim over to check me out. I think I enjoyed my past canoe trips because it ‘put me close to nature’ – and with the kayak I feel even closer. – the places I fish have boat ramps, but once I went where there was no ramp. I had to carry the kayak down a hill about 50 feet. It was not a problem – but it did take more effort than I thought it would. I wouldn’t want to carry it a hundred yards! – as for negatives, the kayak tips over relatively easy – (that hasn’t been a problem for me), it’s sensitive to the wind – this can be a challenge while trying to fish – sometimes I can take advantage by drifting, depending on shoreline location or even doing some trolling. – I’ll be happy to share other info or answer questions. -larry

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You should look into the Old Towne Loon series.  They have a large open cockpit and are very stable. Bill Bernhardt

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Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?

The Pungo would be a great choice – stable, roomy, relatively fast for its size, not too heavy to cart around.

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Here are two sites to try: http://www.waldenkayak.com/models.html ( scroll down to the Walden Scout ) and http://www.otccanoe.com/loon138.html check out the Old Town Loon 138

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Hey Chuck, I do alot of fishing from a sit on top out here in the Pacific ocean. I have an ocean kayak scupper classic. This is a popular boat out here for fishing from. It is about 14 feet long, fairly stable, and has two big hatches so you can store gear inside the kayak. It doesn’t roll, you will fall off before you roll it…but the best thing that I have found is to sit sideways, with your feet in the water when fishing. This makes the boat very stable, I have never even come close to feeling like I was going to tip, when sitting sideways. Its also really comfortable that way. Necky also makes some nice models for fishing and so does Perception. Our company makes some wheels which use the drain holes on many sit on tops as mounting points,(that way the cart can’t slip off the back of the kayak when going over curbs, rocks, roots, etc.) they collapse so you can fit them inside the hatches on the kayak. This is really handy, because once you get to the water, you just disassemble the wheels and take them with you instead of having to take them back to the car. You can make some pole holders out of pvc pipe, or mount some of the holders available at tackle stores to the deck of the kayak, which is really handy. We put sonar on our kayaks too, once you outfit the kayak you have a great fishing machine…This might be more info than you asked for, but what can I say, Im enthusiastic about the sport. Good luck E Scary Sports http://www.scarysports.com

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak, particularly for carrying in relatively short distances to lakes without boat ramps.  I think I’d prefer an open cockpit, or sit-on type. Someone suggested I look into the "Pungo".  Does anyone have any experience with the Pungo, or ideas about other types I should be considering?  Thanks much. chuck

Chuck, look at this site before you do anything: http://www.kayakfishing.com/ Also, make sure you look at all the different boats that might suit your purpose (lake, river, or ocean fishing). In recent years, there have been many innovations, especially in plastic sitontop boats, so give them a try before settling for a more "traditional" solution. For example, Ocean Kayaks, Perception, and Cobra all have models that come with decks molded to accept small coolers, SCUBA tanks, dry bags, caught fish, etc., that are instantly accessible from the seat. Some have hatches that open into compartments that can be used as live bait or fish wells, and can even be equipped with areators. These kayaks can also be outfitted with small anchors or sea drogues to help with drifting, clips to hold spare paddles and rods, rod holders, etc. Perception sells "outback" models of a couple of its boats that are fully geared up for the "outdoorsman," with many of the options I mentioned above. Have fun! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Get the Pungo.  It’s a GREAT fishing kayak!! Courtney Rapid Adventures

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I spent quite a bit of time fishing from a canoe, but think I’d like to try a kayak,

The Perception Axess comes in two styles, one style is specificly designed and outfitted for fishing. The boat is a "closed" cockpit type but can easily be paddled without a skirt on flat water and the front of the cockpit area is equipped with little tackle trays and such goodies. It is a very stable boat and a lot of thought went into the bow hull design to reduce the "slapping" of the water that spooks fish. The fishing version of this boat comes in subdued colors, and as far as I know, it is the only boat of its kind anywhere at any price. The whitewater variant is a full-on creek boat and the only real differences are in color, cockpit design and outfitting. The fishing axess has a pretty cool rod holder built in as well. Its a nice nice boat, and yes, I have paddled it. take care have fun go fishing :wq Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Just one other point, a very wise man once said to me when I asked him if something was a good idea " If you have to think very long and very hard about it, and are still not sure, don’t do it".

Excellent point. Right now I’m leaning to getting the horses. It all depends on how my stock options pan out. Money can turn what otherwise would be a terrible idea into an excellent idea.

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<equine opine snipped PS-Stay away from llamas, they are for grass maggot (sheep) herders and a major pain (attitudes).

Spoken like a true Montanan. Welcome, Warren. — Ken Fortenberry

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Vaccinations twice a year are a good idea, and if you have the money (it sounds like you do), vet checks are a good idea. Have the vets come out and worm/vaccinate twice a year, and they’ll spot something early that you might not, especially as a beginner.

And DON’T forget to get a vet check BEFORE you buy a horse.  It can save you a ton of money in the long run.   Vaccinations are a good idea, but not necessary unless the horses are going to come into contact with tons of other horses.  I guess the main reason we don’t is that we have too many and it is easier to treat on an as needed basis. However, for two, better to be safe than sorry is a good philosophy.  It really isn’t that expensive to do it yourself. The key is keeping the vet away unless necessary.  So the more you learn and are able to do, the less reliance you will have on a vet to come out and give shots/worm. Worming is easy, just a tube that shoots out measured amounts of a paste based upon the body weight (you actually set the tube with the weight and it premeasures sort of).  Just have to make sure to get it way back in the mouth so they don’t spit it out. Most stuff is fairly easy and you will pick it up as you go.  It kind of helps you bond with the animal and the animal with you.  I can’t put into words how important the relationship is between a horse and a rider, but it involves lots of trust and patience.  It will eventually turn into a bond that will hopefully last a lifetime. I would also suggest that maybe you start taking riding lessons before you buy horses.  The instructor will be able to teach you many things about horse care and horsemanship that will be invaluable down the road. Warren

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I’m partial to llamas in the backcountry. They can carry 100-120 lbs of gear (but not you), their padded feet are easier on the trails than a horse’s hoofs and they browse and eat their own food instead of grazing on scarce mountain grasses.

Llamas are out of the question. For one thing I need an animal to carry ME for one or two days, not 120 lbs of gear. For another thing, I’d be laughed out of Custer County.

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I’m not, nor will I ever be, an equestrian. But I’ve known enough of them that I’m familiar with some of the potential pitfalls of horse ownership. The best way to sum it up is to say that on a cost/hour basis, horses don’t make much economic sense for the casual fisherman. I realize that boarding costs are highly variable, presumably driven by geography and relative cost of living, but the prospect of shelling out thousands of dollars annually for a couple months’ usage would certainly be a sobering prospect indeed for many of us. Another point to consider: ATV’s are replacing working horses on some ranches (for some jobs). I bet it’s because they’re ‘cheaper to keep’. Good luck.

ATVs aren’t allowed most places I want to go. They don’t even allow mountain bikes. Also, I’m not looking at this as a purely economic deal. I like horses and I like riding them. I’m mainly concerned about the learning curve because I’ve never kept them before.

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Get the horses.  As a matter of fact buy some of my inlaws horses.  I already crash tested one. Seriously, horses are great for hunting and fishing trips.  You won’t need to ship them out to CA for the winter either.  We have over 40 head and keep them outside all winter long up here in Montana. As to feeding. That depends on how much room you have there.  You might get by with grazing them off the pasture if it is big enough and then feeding them hay in the winter.  Hay isn’t all that expensive really.  A horse needs about 2% of its body weight of feed a day.  A 1200 lb horse comes out to a wopping 24 pounds of hay.  Don’t know what the hay prices down there are, but up here it is about $60/ton of good alfalfa. As far as routine medications, just wormer once a year.  Maybe twice a year to be safe.  Want to be even safer?  Worm them or have them wormed before you bring them home.  Shouldn’t have to see a vet at all.  With 40 head we have had the vet out twice this year.  Both horses got caught in a fence.  One while rolling on the ground and got collicky because it was in the fence for several hours overnight and twisted (bad for horses intestines).  The other we think was kicking at a dog and got its legged stuck in a coral panel.  That one was pretty nasty. Try to find a book on horse care and read it for yourself and decide how much hassle it will be for you. Cost wise they are not too bad.  The big pain is in the beginning.  You can find a younger (5-10 year old horse) that is well broke for around $1,500. Then saddles and the other tack, well that depends on new or used.  Make sure you actually sit in the saddle before you buy one.  Ideally you want to sit in it on the horse to get a good feel for it.  Usually can’t though so just make sure you butt isn’t too big (or small).  You won’t need a fancy roping saddle or anything so used you can probably pick one up for about $400-500.  Shop around!  Read the classifieds, check out feed stores (sometimes they have bullentin boards with horses and tack for sale). Being on the high side, look to spend about $6,000 for 2 horses and tack and another $600 or so a year on hay. There are several things you can to do in taking care of horses to make them less at risk for disease, injury, and sickness so arm yourself with knowledge and make the decision afterwards. Happy Trails and Tight Lines. Warren PS-Stay away from llamas, they are for grass maggot (sheep) herders and a major pain (attitudes).

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I’m not, nor will I ever be, an equestrian. But I’ve known enough of them that I’m familiar with some of the potential pitfalls of horse ownership. The best way to sum it up is to say that on a cost/hour basis, horses don’t make much economic sense for the casual fisherman. I realize that boarding costs are highly variable, presumably driven by geography and relative cost of living, but the prospect of shelling out thousands of dollars annually for a couple months’ usage would certainly be a sobering prospect indeed for many of us. Another point to consider: ATV’s are replacing working horses on some ranches (for some jobs). I bet it’s because they’re ‘cheaper to keep’. Good luck. Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The very best flyfishing in my area (central Idaho) is fairly inaccessible. There are excellent wilderness rivers and backcountry lakes that require some pretty heroic hiking to get to, if you’re not rafting. Once you get there, though, you have it all to yourself, aside from the odd backpacker or two. I’m thinking of getting a couple of horses. I have room for a nice paddock next to my cabin. It’s also a consideration that my older daughter adores horses, and I made the potentially serious mistake of mentioning this idea to her. It’s really, really tempting. The other day, while hiking out from a backcountry lake and sweating blood, a couple of horseback riders passed me going up the trail at a fast trot. They were like gods. It looked so wonderful. My problem is that I have virtually no experience keeping horses. Just a few pack trips. How difficult is it? I’m what you’d call an animal-oriented person. I’ve always had lots of dogs and cats and a multitude of other creatures, but no horses. I figure that at a minimum I’d have to build a fence for the paddock, buy all the gear (in addition to the horses), find a ferrier and a large-animal vet, get a two-horse trailer, and arrange for someone to take care of them for the short periods when I’m not around. Then there’s the question of what to do with them in the winter. I figure I could trailer them back to my home in northern California (Menlo Park) and board them at one of the many stables here. These stables mostly cater to Woodside billionaires, but what the heck. It can’t be that expensive for a few months. Is this a stupid idea? Will I regret it?

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The very best flyfishing in my area (central Idaho) is fairly inaccessible. There are excellent wilderness rivers and backcountry lakes that require some pretty heroic hiking to get to, if you’re not rafting. Once you get there, though, you have it all to yourself, aside from the odd backpacker or two. I’m thinking of getting a couple of horses.

I’m partial to llamas in the backcountry. They can carry 100-120 lbs of gear (but not you), their padded feet are easier on the trails than a horse’s hoofs and they browse and eat their own food instead of grazing on scarce mountain grasses. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sounds like a great idea to me. If you have the time and possibilities, and can afford it, do it, but check the prices at those stables etc first, you may be very unpleasantly surprised, also horses involve a lot of care and work, far more than one imagines. Trailering them is also a pain, for you and for the horses. Mountain bikes can be thrown in the cabin or garage when you are done with them, don’t eat, don’t crap, and don’t get ill apart from an occasional broken chain etc. They cost much less than horses, they are less likely to get stolen, or run away, they are not edible to any great degree, and can not be turned into sausage meat, they do not wear extremely costly handmade steel shoes which require frequent replacement,  do not require horrendously expensive injections and medications at regular intervals, and they also require no looking after when you are absent. They do not engender quite as much enthusiasm on the part of dutiful daughters ( dutiful at least until the first ton of horse manure has to be shovelled out of somewhere ! ) I know a couple of the aforementioned daughters ! Their parents own quite a few horses. Quite amazing how often they have "urgent appointments" when the novelty has worn off, and the animals have to be groomed or cleaned out etc etc. If your daughter wants to ride, rent a horse for her for a while until you are certain she will keep it up and it is worth it. I know all this because I help out ( which usually means I shovel horse shit ! ) for the chance of an occasional ride on one of my friends horses. Not trying to dissuade you in any way, just playing advocatus diaboli. Just one other point, a very wise man once said to me when I asked him if something was a good idea " If you have to think very long and very hard about it, and are still not sure, don’t do it". TL MC

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The very best flyfishing in my area (central Idaho) is fairly inaccessible. There are excellent wilderness rivers and backcountry lakes that require some pretty heroic hiking to get to, if you’re not rafting. Once you get there, though, you have it all to yourself, aside from the odd backpacker or two. I’m thinking of getting a couple of horses. I have room for a nice paddock next to my cabin. It’s also a consideration that my older daughter adores horses, and I made the potentially serious mistake of mentioning this idea to her. It’s really, really tempting. The other day, while hiking out from a backcountry lake and sweating blood, a couple of horseback riders passed me going up the trail at a fast trot. They were like gods. It looked so wonderful. My problem is that I have virtually no experience keeping horses. Just a few pack trips. How difficult is it? I’m what you’d call an animal-oriented person. I’ve always had lots of dogs and cats and a multitude of other creatures, but no horses. I figure that at a minimum I’d have to build a fence for the paddock, buy all the gear (in addition to the horses), find a ferrier and a large-animal vet, get a two-horse trailer, and arrange for someone to take care of them for the short periods when I’m not around. Then there’s the question of what to do with them in the winter. I figure I could trailer them back to my home in northern California (Menlo Park) and board them at one of the many stables here. These stables mostly cater to Woodside billionaires, but what the heck. It can’t be that expensive for a few months. Is this a stupid idea? Will I regret it?

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Off the Patuxent River mouth we were seeing huge clouds of bluefish that would sometimes erupt from the water like bait, but they wouldn’t take any lure or fly that we were using. Got so tired of foul hooking we gave up. Were they balled up cause there were larger fish threatening the school? If so, what fish, larger blues or stripers. And how should be have fished for the larger fish? Bob

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On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly BluesRevue wrote about "Great Balls of Bluefish": … Were they balled up cause

… Never heard the saying "ball of fish" until a few weeks ago, when a boatman on an Irish lake referred to a "ball of fish" (meaning a lot of brown trout).  Is it a common saying in the US?  And does it literally refer to a ball-shaped shoal? — Phil Jones South Wales, UK

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On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly BluesRevue wrote about "Great Balls of Bluefish": Were they balled up cause Never heard the saying "ball of fish" until a few weeks ago, when a boatman on an Irish lake referred to a "ball of fish" (meaning a lot of brown trout).  Is it a common saying in the US?  And does it literally refer to a ball-shaped shoal?

I think "ball" in this context just refers to a mass of slashing fish in the middle of a "blitz", not the shape of their surroundings. /daytripper (now wondering if he should have defined "blitz" ;^)

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I think "ball" in this context just refers to a mass of slashing fish in the middle of a "blitz", not the shape of their surroundings. /daytripper (now wondering if he should have defined "blitz" ;^)

By great coincidence, I changed my screensaver today to the MS Scenes Undersea collection.  One of the pics can only be described as a "ball of fish"..!  I’ll post it to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing. — Phil Jones

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Actually, a ball of fish usually refers to baitfish, which do tend "ball up" or school in the shape of a ball.  There are some great underwater photographs of this phenomenon–one recently in (yuck) Outside magazine.  I don’t imagine this is appropriate to schooling blues, unless they’re under attack from, say, tuna.  When they’re making the attack they tend to be far more random and not in any ordered formation. I suspect, too, that the usage of "ball of fish" in this case, just means a big slug of them–but the origin, I’m pretty sure, refers to the shape of a school of bait. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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can you tell me anything about fly fishing

"Fly fishing is a simple game.  You cast the fly.  You retrieve the fly. You catch the fish"                                                    My apologies to the movie "Bull Durham" — Gordon Churchill Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ Striped Bass on the Roanoke River, Hybrids on Jordan Lake, Largemouths on surface.  Pickup and dropoff in Research Triangle Park

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can you tell me anything about fly fishing

It can be expensive

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can you tell me anything about fly fishing

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Hi Peter, Could you be a little more specific? Fly Fishing is a method of fishing that has a span from 2 oz blue gills to 150 pound tarpon and just about any fish you can think of? Do you want to get started? First suggestion hang around and read this news group. Second take a trip to the library. Third come on back to the group and post your questions. Good fishing, Dennis — Dennis C. Aron Independent Representative #13921 Champion Fishing Co., Ltd e-mail for business opportunity – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – can you tell me anything about fly fishing

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Does anyone know about fishing in Western Mass., particularity around Turners Falls/Greenfield and/or in Lake Quabin? I’m interested in knowing about bass, trout and/or what-ever-there-is fishing. I also love flyfishing.                  Thank you in advance!

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Does anyone know about fishing in Western Mass., particularity around Turners Falls/Greenfield and/or in Lake Quabin? I’m interested in knowing about bass, trout and/or what-ever-there-is fishing. I also love flyfishing.                 Thank you in advance!

I fished Quabin resevoir with my dad in the 60’s.  Most folks fished for lake trout.  I liked to cast spoons or spinners from shore and sometimes hooked some nice sized rainbows (19 inches).  I also liked to head up that creek which was full of brook trout at that time.  Since then I have heard that atlantic salmon have been introduced and have produced some excellent fishing.  There was a river called the icy river I think that was popular for trout.  Can’t remember where it was. Andy S.

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

Hi Mike, Teaching yourself is definitely worth the effort.  You can certainly learn enough to catch a few fish.  Then find a friend to go with you that has fly fishing experience and just watch for a while.  Ask questions… Swap flys. The Poul Jorgenson videos on tying are very good and the Lefty Kreh casting tapes are good as well.  I found a book called "Fly Fisherman’s Bible" that gives very good basic techniques for dry, wet, streamer and nymph flys.  But I must admit, I did not begin to understand wet flys until I read Bergman.   I have been very fortunate to have a wonderful friend, fishing buddy and teacher.  He has taught me so much and saved me years, literally, in fishing trips through his experiences.   Hi John!  (grin)! Thanks, Bob

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Mike— Glad to see you starting out.While you can teach yourself with the help of many fine pieces of literature out there,a casting class combined with a guided excursion or fishing class will pay high dividends as well as the fun you will have.   Also check for local clubs as they offer a wealth of info at little or no charge as well as the ability to meet people and a possible partner.     At any rate ,I hope to see ya on the river!                                      tight loops!!  D.Davy

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flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated.

It is posible to become an inelegant, fish-catching caster by standing in the middle of a lawn with your rod in one hand and an instruction book in the other.  Scientific Anglers put out a magazine format intro text that is worth much more than the $3.95 they charge.  If you want a real book, though, pick up Roderick Haig-Brown’s "Primer of Flyfishing".  His explanations are as easy and fluid as a good cast.  The book was written in 1964, but the essentials have not changed in the last 30 years. If you meet someone who is catching fish, quickly reread the chapter on stream etiquette and introduce yourself.  There is no substitute for liveware. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

I started Fly-fishing about two years ago.  My first move was to make contact with a friend of a friend who knew his stuff.  That I think was the best move, he was very helpful and I was able to branch off to other aspects of the sport since then. If you don’t have any acquaintences who enjoy the sport, maybe seek out an experienced guide, or take a class. If you are going to enjoy the sport to its fullest potential, have an experienced angler show you the ropes Good Luck and enjoy. Ben

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

Very lucky!! Get a copy of the Curtis Creek Manifesto, and read it and take its advice. Then, find somebody who already knows how to flyfish, and ask them to take you out, then buy them a beer or something afterwards. Have fun! Tim

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

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