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value of old rods

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I was given my first fly rod …. a cheap cane one bought at Sears …. a Ted Williams or something, as I recall I took it to Yellowstone in 1970 on vacation and caught my first fly caught trout …. and it changed my life. What was the "value" of that old "cheap, give away’ rod?     To me, it has been priceless …. the rod, itself is long gone…. but, what it started grows faster each passing year… a love of trout, fly fishing, and the places both require About 20 years ago I gave a ‘kid" that worked for me an old Fenwick glass fly rod, I had "advanced" to graphite.    To make a long story short, he got hooked, went to school in fisheries biology, and now works for  Fish and Game.    I just got a phone call from him, to tell me where the ducks and geese where at, in case I wanted a good hunt, in a little known spot. The value of the old glass rod?…. well, what is somehing that points a young person towards a good career worth?  What is an "insider" phone call worth when the fishing gets hot?… I get several a year because of that rod. A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected." I do fish it, too, a few times each year.  It could be "collected"…  Walton Powell, wanted it for his collection when he was still alive.   But, when I get to the point where I can’t fish it, you will see me walking the banks, looking for the right person to pass it on to …. and he will be told to fish it, not collect it. Got an old rod, that you don’t really use?  Consider giving it to a "kid" …. even if it’s "just a rod" to you, it won’t be to him, if it gets him out on the streams Got a valuable collectors item …. at least consider fishing it, now and then.   Imho, that is the best way to honor it’s maker

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  A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected."

Your settings are right on the mark, Larry.

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Larry, Were you born on March 25th 1945 ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com   I was given my first fly rod …. a cheap cane one bought at Sears …. a Ted Williams or something, as I recall   I took it to Yellowstone in 1970 on vacation and caught my first fly caught trout …. and it changed my life.   What was the "value" of that old "cheap, give away’ rod?     To me, it has been priceless …. the rod, itself is long gone…. but, what it started grows faster each passing year… a love of trout, fly fishing, and the places both require   About 20 years ago I gave a ‘kid" that worked for me an old Fenwick glass fly rod, I had "advanced" to graphite.    To make a long story short, he got hooked, went to school in fisheries biology, and now works for  Fish and Game.    I just got a phone call from him, to tell me where the ducks and geese where at, in case I wanted a good hunt, in a little known spot.   The value of the old glass rod?…. well, what is somehing that points a young person towards a good career worth?  What is an "insider" phone call worth when the fishing gets hot?… I get several a year because of that rod.   A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected."   I do fish it, too, a few times each year.  It could be "collected"…  Walton Powell, wanted it for his collection when he was still alive.   But, when I get to the point where I can’t fish it, you will see me walking the banks, looking for the right person to pass it on to …. and he will be told to fish it, not collect it.   Got an old rod, that you don’t really use?  Consider giving it to a "kid" …. even if it’s "just a rod" to you, it won’t be to him, if it gets him out on the streams   Got a valuable collectors item …. at least consider fishing it, now and then.   Imho, that is the best way to honor it’s maker

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  Larry,   Were you born on March 25th 1945 ?   —   ahhh…pretty close…right age group, for sure.   but, I don’t know the significance of that date … am I being dumber than my normal, very dumb, self ???  

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Trip Report/ My Personal Opening Day 5/15/02

Trip Report/ My Personal Opening Day 5/15/02

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Its been a very wet, cold spring so far, here in Wisconsin. But I finally got a chance to fish some moving water. With the river in town still running high I decided to check out some smaller water about 45 minutes from Merrill. The forecast called for rain and thunderstorms in the late afternoon so I left home about 10 am. Ended up on the little stream I have nicknamed the "Mayfly", due its very strong and dependable hatches. It too was running high but not as bad as the Prairie.  Got suited up, set up the rod and waded in. The water felt cold through my waders and checking the temp I found that it was 50deg.. There was a strong south wind which was mitigated somewhat by the surrounding streamside brush. After watching the surface for risers and seeing none I tied on a #12 Gold Ribbed H.E. nymph. The fishing was very slow. Only one very small brookie took,in what usually is a sure fire stretch of riffles and glides.  Working my way upstream I noticed a few #18 BWOs coming off but no rises. Checked the temp again and found it was up to 52deg. (Aren’t new toys fun?)Tried a #18 Adams and didn’t get a look from the trout. Being too lazy to rerig for nymphs again I tied on a #14 Royal Trude and promptly caught two fish, the biggest being 9", about average for this water. Thought I had hit paydirt but then didn’t get another fish to even splash at the fly for several hundred more yards upstream.  As I approached a deep fast run that has given up large fish for me in the past I rigged up with a green yarn indicator supporting a GRHE nymph with a Copper John nymph for a dropper. Promptly found out that casting a leader with three attachments of different densities was a major challenge. For every two or three casts that I got off successfully there was one that tangled the flies and indicator together. No fish came from the run but just upstream I noticed a few Hendrickson mayflies struggling at the surface and then taking flight. Even better I began to pick up fish. Two 9" brookies in fine color came to hand on the GRHE. The Copper John was ignored.  The first splashy rises brought a change in terminal tackle again. A #14 Hendrickson was bent on but ignored by the fish. A brown emerger was tried but no luck. And it began to rain. There were still a few flies on the water but the rises had quit. Struggled into my rain gear (i.e. an emergency rain poncho aka glorified garbage bag with a hood).  Made the decision to head downstream for the car. Cinched on a #12 Hares Ear soft hackle. A few bumps and one small brookie later found me at the head of a small pool. Went to a Royal Coachman streamer. After a few casts I noticed a couple of quiet rises behind an alder branch across the stream from me. As I was lifting the streamer from the water there was a strong swirl and the biggest fish of the trip came to my net, an 11" brookie. The rises behind the alder had stopped but a couple of pools down saw another fish feeding. Tied on the Hendrickson again and a few casts later a brook trout responded to the float. At the tail of the pool there was a pod of fish feeding on the still sporadically hatching Hendricksons. Reached into my pocket to check the water temp and….came up empty. In my contortions to get into the cheap rain poncho I had knocked my new thermometer loose and it was lying somewhere upstream amongst the rocks and trout. Oh well, there were still fish to cast to. The Hendrickson took three more brookies on downstream drifts until another, harder rain shower put the fish down again. Almost back to the car, I tied on a Partridge and Green soft hackle (with flourescent green floss for the abdomen) and immediately hooked the hottest fish of the trip, a fast, jumping 10" brown. A few yards farther down brought its twin to hand. With the rain coming even harder, thunder in the distance and a deadline in town I decided to call it a day. Other than the lost thermometer it was a most successful first day on the water. No big fish but enough action to keep me satisfied with my efforts.  And, as usual, the "Mayfly" lived up to its nickname. G.Cleveland

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Its been a very wet, cold spring so far, here in Wisconsin. But I

<SNIP Very nice report, of what sounds like a very nice trip. Most enjoyable. TL MV

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Northern California Clave?

Northern California Clave?

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Hi All, September kicks off the Fall season in a few fisheries. The Pit River has the Isonychia mayfly hatch in September and is the best trout stream fishing in California. The Klamath River has a good run of Halfpounder Steelhead in September too. Either of these fisheries could be great places for a Clave. Not much else gets going till October which is one of the top months of the year. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Anyone interested in a Norhtern California Clave in early September? Drop me a line, Dustin Rocksvold

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Anyone interested in a Norhtern California Clave in early September?

All depends on whether or not I switch jobs.  That’s the begining of the school year so I won’t be able to get someone to teach for me.  But NorCal is close enough that I might be able to show up for the weekend. Mu

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Tatts Flash ?

Tatts Flash ?

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Looking for Evil Colorful Nymphs Flash in the net.. Anyone have some ideas ? Thanks… Phil..

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Looking for Evil Colorful Nymphs Flash in the net.. Anyone have some ideas ? Thanks… Phil..

What, we didn’t ignore you enough the first time you posted this question? Kavin

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Looking for Evil Colorful Nymphs Flash in the net.. Anyone have some ideas ? Thanks… Phil..

Hey, Phil.  I started on a CB550 but also owned a 1998 Sportster.  Sold it to finance becoming certified to teach art in Pennsylvania.  I’d rather have the Sporty back though.  Getting a f-t art teaching position is durn difficult.  I own an old 650 now which is fun, but not an H-D. Uh, *on topic*, though, I’d recommend you visit Yahoo! and just do a search for Tattoos. That’s going to be needle-in-a-haystack, but it may be the only way. Whatever you do, don’t type _nymph flash_ unless you enjoy fly fishing, okay? Good luck. — Curt

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I scribbled: [snip] Whatever you do, don’t type _nymph flash_ unless you enjoy fly fishing, okay? Good luck.

Hey, check out: http://www.madeinthephilippines.com/hermesalegre/ http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/NYMPHS.html http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/000Free/000NYMPHS/source/14.html http://www.tanglewave.com/nymphs.html http://www.nymphart.com/ There’s always Playboy magazine as well, Phil. — Curt 2 tattoos, 2 rings… and a bunch o’ search engines!

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Looking for Evil Colorful Nymphs Flash in the net.. Anyone have some ideas ? Thanks… Phil..

Try a search for Dave Bolt, he may do what you are looking for…. TQ

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"Help, I’ve scribbled and I can’t put my little golfer’s pencil down!" I scribbled:

[snip] Search for Boris Vallejo and Julie Bell.   Here’s one link: http://www.imaginistix.com/searchprocess.cfm — Curt (Okay, that’s it for Phil.  No more.  I promise.)

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Try a search for Dave Bolt, he may do what you are looking for….

Yeah, http://www.artspace.com/ – Bollt has some *really* cool dark/wicked faeries and nymphs etc. GOOD stuff. I think I own all of his stuff, well, except the set of "butterflys and moths" or whatever that is. All his mythical/fantasy stuff is top notch, and great "sellers" at the shop. Cat — — oO$8$Oo.,oo,.oO$$88$Oo 8$:`   .8$$8.  ’;8$’ 8$.   ,8$  $8,  :8$ `8$$..8$o..o$8..;8$ http://www.catbones.com/

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » North American west coast travel

North American west coast travel

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Can anybody help with my planned RV trip from Vancouver to Mexico? I would be obliged if any readers could provide me with good routes, places to visit and decent fishing spots along the way. Additionally can anyone recommend a reputable RV rental company in the USA or Canada? Thank you.                                Pattayaman, England Before you buy.

Check out http://www.prd.state.or.us/ for help on planning the Oregon chunk of your trip. And let me know if you need mroe info. Thanks. — Chris Havel Oregon Parks and Recreation Dept. www.prd.state.or.us

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Where in Mexico do you want to go? How much time do you want to spend? Is fishing your main interest? What kind of fishing? Other interests? A "one way" rental, picking up in one country and dropping off in another is going to be very difficult: impossible in Mexico.

  Yup.   You might have to fly into Vancover then come down to Seattle and then rent an RV, returning in say in San Dieago. Which would require one of the larger firms (Cruise America, etc). Anything other then one of the large national firms (Cruise Canada, Cruse America, etc) would require you to return the RV to the point of rental. — RV and Camping FAQ http://kendaco.telebyte.com/rlindber/rv   If Windows is the answer I would really like to know what the question is

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Can anybody help with my planned RV trip from Vancouver to Mexico? I would be obliged if any readers could provide me with good routes, places to visit and decent fishing spots along the way. Additionally can anyone recommend a reputable RV rental company in the USA or Canada? Thank you.                                Pattayaman, England Before you buy.

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Where in Mexico do you want to go? How much time do you want to spend? Is fishing your main interest? What kind of fishing? Other interests? A "one way" rental, picking up in one country and dropping off in another is going to be very difficult: impossible in Mexico. Ed Kipling – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anybody help with my planned RV trip from Vancouver to Mexico?                                Pattayaman, England Before you buy.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Talyllyn Lake

Talyllyn Lake

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Where is Talyllyn Lake

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dwyfor.ac.uk writes Has anyone had any experience of fly fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

Famous for it Olive hatches. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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Has anyone had any experience of fly fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

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Does anyone have any experience of fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

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dwyfor.ac.uk writes Does anyone have any experience of fishing on Talyllyn Lake?

Not actually fished it, but know a man who has:-) I’ve been told the fishing is not that good these days, but what fish there are, will happily take an olive nymph or lake olive. I’d go for local B&B if you’re intent on staying in  the area for a day or two – Ty’n y Cornel is a bit pricey but good. The food is very good! — Bill

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Camping in Northern Vermont? Help!

Camping in Northern Vermont? Help!

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We are going to Franklin County Field (near Swanton, VT) at the end of July for a concert.  I found the Champlain Valley Campground, which is about 6 miles from the venue (in Swanton).  I was just wondering if anyone knew of anything closer to the venue.  We are not fussy about the spot, just somewhere to pitch a tent. ad*thanx*vance John

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You can visit the Vermont State Parks website at http://www.state.vt.us/anr/fpr/parks/. The site details all of Vermont’s state parks and camping opportunities. James Ehlers Underhill, Vemont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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I’m not sure exactly where you are heading but if it’s near Petersburg NY (it’s close to the VT border) Think about Broken Wheel Campground. The tenting area is surrounded with mountains so close you can almost touch them in the moonlight. Otherwise its a tidy place with a wonderful sense of community. We stopped there twice for one nighters on a 2 week trip and left with some of our most treasured memories. Regards, Pete E-mail… Visit my home page at…… http://www.gwi.net/~spectrum Even if you’re on the right track you’ll get run over if you just sit there. Roy Rogers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are going to Franklin County Field (near Swanton, VT) at the end of July for a concert.  I found the Champlain Valley Campground, which is about 6 miles from the venue (in Swanton).  I was just wondering if anyone knew of anything closer to the venue.  We are not fussy about the spot, just somewhere to pitch a tent. ad*thanx*vance John

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » SAVE THE BANG BANG CLUB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

SAVE THE BANG BANG CLUB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

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I NEED INDIVID’S WILLING TO USE THEIR TALENTS TO REFURBISH THE THE LATE                                           1) THE POOL IS COLLAPSED ON ONE SIDE—–NEED AN ENGIE TYPE WILLING TO SWAP FISHING FOR HIS OPINION.                                                        2) THE CESTE FOR FRESH WATER IS IN NEED OF MAJOR REPAIR.                                                       JOIN MAJOR SALTWATER FLYFISHING LEGENDS FOR A WEEKEND OF YOUR CHOICE AND HELP US RE-ESTABLISH THE BANG-BANG CLUB AS THE BEST BONEFISHING DESTINATION IN THE                                       PEACE,   CAPT. RAHE                                                          305-293-8088

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I NEED INDIVID’S WILLING TO USE THEIR TALENTS TO REFURBISH THE THE LATE                                           1) THE POOL IS COLLAPSED ON ONE SIDE—–NEED AN ENGIE TYPE WILLING TO SWAP FISHING FOR HIS OPINION.                                                        2) THE CESTE FOR FRESH WATER IS IN NEED OF MAJOR REPAIR.                                                       JOIN MAJOR SALTWATER FLYFISHING LEGENDS FOR A WEEKEND OF YOUR CHOICE AND HELP US RE-ESTABLISH THE BANG-BANG CLUB AS THE BEST BONEFISHING DESTINATION IN THE

Hey, "Capt." Rahe, Your previous two posts show you to be an a–hole (not surprising considering the aol address) and furthermore, see that little key labeled "caps lock" over to the left on your keyboard? TURN IT OFF!!! David B.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Line » What is the best way to attach yarn to leader?

What is the best way to attach yarn to leader?

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One method that works fairly well is to tie the end of the leader (not tippet) to the center of the piece of yarn using an improved cinch knot.  Then tie the tippet to the leader just above the yarn also using an improved cinch knot.  The  obvious disadvantage to this method is that it’s not very easy to change depths. John Johnson Atlanta, GA

A second disadvantage is that it requires two knots instead of one. Next time I think that I’ll try the simple overhand knot that others have suggested. John Johnson Atlanta, GA

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I am trying to use yarn instead of foam, BioStrike, etc. What is the best knot and method to use to attach the yarn to the leader?

Hi Jay, The question is, do you want effectiveness and are you willing to work for it, or do you want convenience and are willing to settle for not as effective? If you want the most sensitive and best casting system, use a fairly stout leader 2X or 3X  (~6 to 7 1/2 ft. in length) and tie your yarn on to the end with an *improved* clinch knot (the regular clinch knot will slip). Then attach your tippet (depth of the water or slightly longer) to the leader with an improved clinch knot behind the indicator and slide it up against the indicator.  Test the connection (don’t bounce your knots!).   Attach split shot ~6" away from your fly (no closer than 4" and no farther away than 8")   If you keep at least 2 "X" numbers difference between the leader and the tippet size, the break will be at the fly and not at the yarn.  You have to keep adjusting the  length of the tippet as the water depth changes, and that’s a pain.  But, it is deadly.  The stout leader makes casting the indicator much easier and the 90 degree tippet gives you great control over placement.  This is often called "the hinged nymphing system" and was developed by the gentleman I teach fishing schools with, Dean Schubert, and his ex-roomate Dave Hickson.   If you don’t want to go through all these machinations you can tie your yarn on with a clove hitch which will allow you to loosen up the knot and slide the yarn up  or down, and it won’t score the line or weaken it.  It also won’t cast as well and you won’t get the 90 degree hinge that you get with the other system so it won’t be as sensitive and your fly may actually be quite a ways from your indicator (instead of within a 2 ft. circle), but it is more convenient and in fast water it works OK.                                        Good Fishing!                                                Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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I am trying to use yarn instead of foam, BioStrike, etc. What is the best knot and method to use to attach the yarn to the leader? — Jay Thomas

I don’t know what type of water you are fishing but in New Zealand’s North Island, on the larger rivers eg. the Tongariro or Rangitikei, I use a 1" piece of Glo-bug yarn. Soak the yarn in a dry fly floatant and allow to dry. My leader is joined to the fly line by a pair of interlocking loops and the Glo-bug yarn indicator is placed in between the loops before they are pulled up tight. Lime green is easy to see at the change of light and hot pink when the sun is on the water. This indicator does not affect casting but there is some distance between it and the fly. For these waters this distance is not a problem. Jim Learmonth

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While yarn works great for indicating strikes, I find it interferes tremendously with casting. — -Wayne Trzyna

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While yarn works great for indicating strikes, I find it interferes tremendously with casting.

Hi Wayne, Your right if your talking about those golf ball and larger sized sized chunks of yarn that people toss around.  However, if you get the right yarn, you don’t need huge pieces of it and I find it easier to cast than any other indicator I’ve found (so far).  The yarn you want to find comes in your choice of colors and can often be found at macrame shops.  It is a braided polypropylene yarn.  One of the brand names out there is Bonnie Braid, I’m sure there are plenty more. However, all polypropylene yarns are not created equal and different skeins of the same brand and the same color can perform differently.  The type that works best is coarse and shiny.  Not shiny and soft, not coarse and dull, but coarse and shiny.  Get it in a color you like as waterproof markers won’t penetrate the fibers and will wash off quickly.  It usually comes in 50 or 100 yard skeins depending on the thickness of the braid.  I prefer the 100 yard skeins because the braid is smaller and easier to seperate.  Use about 4 strands of the braid, tie it on and comb out the fibers.  Cut to the desired size (dime to quarter size depending on amount of weight used), and treat with paste floatant.   I use the Orvis Hy-flote paste floatant because it liquifies when I rub it between my fingers. Don’t use too thick a paste or it won’t work well.  I’ll then stroke it on the fibers and comb it out again.  If you did it right this should look like a very small open flower floating on the water.  If the flower is tipping forward – your fly is dragging behind it, if it is tilting backwards – it is in front of the indicator.  If it floats straight up, you are getting a very good drift.  If you did it wrong it will look like a dense golf ball or bigger.  Dense doesn’t cast or float as well as the "open flower".  Goldilocks strikes again, not to thick, not too thin, just right!                             Good Fishing,                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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nonsense. make a standard overhand loop with the yarn inside, breaking strength is 100% of the tippet. The advantage of yarn (you can also use small pieces of etafoam, a few CDC feathers etc.) is that you can adjust the size of the strike indicator and the depth of fishing (in shallower water just move the indicator closer to the fly). An easier strike indicator is Orvis Strike Putty, a resin you can mold to any shape and you can us as much as you really need (from very small for midge fishing in shallow water to really big to fish a deep run with a stonefly, highly visible colors and even night glowing!).       If this was your question…                                       Thomas

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I am trying to use yarn instead of foam, BioStrike, etc. What is the best knot and method to use to attach the yarn to the leader? — Jay Thomas

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Tie a slip-knot in the leader. Insert yarn and pull tight. Trim yarn to size and apply a small amount of floatant. This has worked for me for years. It is also easy to adjust the fly depth and has minimal effect on the leader stregth. Good luck. Jack

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Try a knittingneedle knot.

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I am trying to use yarn instead of foam, BioStrike, etc. What is the best knot and method to use to attach the yarn to the leader? — Jay Thomas

Jay, Around here we tie an overhand knot at the area where you want the indicator to be, but leave it loose. Then put the yarn in the knot an tighten it. This way it is easy to backl the knot off and roll it to a different spot depending on how deep the water is. It won’t be a weak link since it is way up the leader where it is thick anyway. Martin Allen

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Tie a slip-knot in the leader. Insert yarn and pull tight. Trim yarn to size and apply a small amount of floatant. This has worked for me for years. It is also easy to adjust the fly depth and has minimal effect on the leader stregth. Good luck. Jack

   Our knot testing machine (which, as Lefty says, "has no bias") shows that yarn slip knotted to leader will reduce the leader strength by up to 50%. A much better way is to tie a simple overhand knot in the leader and put in a piece of yarn before cinching up.    Without the yarn this would result in a "wind knot" which is not very strong (reduces leader strength by about 15% . . . it’s not nearly as bad as many have been led to believe).     Our strain gauge device measures accurately down to 1/100 of a pound and it shows zero reduction of strength in an overhand knot cinched around a piece of yarn. Your leader will always break at the yarn because it creates a focus of energy; however, there is no reduction in the strength of the leader.    -Ralph —

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I am trying to use yarn instead of foam, BioStrike, etc. What is the best knot and method to use to attach the yarn to the leader?

One method that works fairly well is to tie the end of the leader (not tippet) to the center of the piece of yarn using an improved cinch knot.  Then tie the tippet to the leader just above the yarn also using an improved cinch knot.  The  obvious disadvantage to this method is that it’s not very easy to change depths. John Johnson Atlanta, GA

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I am trying to use yarn instead of foam, BioStrike, etc. What is the best knot and method to use to attach the yarn to the leader?

I learned a nice method from a guide on the San Juan River in New Mexico. You form a loop up in the fat part of the leader, then reach through the loop and pull another loop of the same leader through it. You put the yarn halfway through this second loop and pull on the leader to tighten it up. If you need to change depths, you just push the leader to open the loop, get your yarn out and do it again somewhere else. I hope I have explained this so you can understand it. It’s a pretty simple method, though it will leave a bend in the leader if you leave the yarn in too long. Doesn’t seem to affect the strength of the leader though. — | Michael P. Thompson – Liberty Communications | |           * Spreading the Word *             |

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[snip] Your leader will always break at the yarn because it creates a focus of energy; however, there is no reduction in the strength of the leader.   -Ralph

I didn’t realize from your previous posts that you were a "New Age" kind of guy Ralph.  That focus of energy must be some variation of the pyramid effect.  :-) BTW, I love to read your magazine articles! See ya, John Johnson Atlanta, GA

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We are announcing the opening of a new full service flyfishing resort located in North Central Colorado, near Walden, Colorado.  The new lodge has a maximum capacity of 12 anglers per week and features gourmet foods, outstanding new accommodations and twelve miles of  private virgin headwaters of the North Platte that have never been fished by the public.  Excellent populations of browns, brookies, rainbows, cutthroats and cutbows in the same water.  All walk and wade.  Guided.  Instruction available.  No extra costs.  Catch and release.  For further information, check out http://little-grizzly-creek.com/lgc.html or  7113 N. Tatum, Paradise Valley, Arizona  85253. 602-952-9732.

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We are announcing the opening of a new full service flyfishing resort located in North Central Colorado, near Walden, Colorado.  The new lodge has a maximum capacity of 12 anglers per week and features gourmet foods, outstanding new  accommodations and twelve miles of virgin headwaters of the North Platte that have never been fished by the public.  Good populations of browns,  brookies, rainbows, cutthroats and cutbows in the same water.  All walk and wade.  Guided.  Instruction available.  No extra costs.  Catch and release. For further information, check out http://little-grizzly-creek.com/lgc.html  7113 N. Tatum, Paradise Valley, Arizona  85253  602-952-9732

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: We are announcing the opening of a new full service flyfishing resort located : in North Central Colorado, near Walden, Colorado.  The new lodge has a maximum [snip] : that have never been fished by the public.  Good populations of browns, :  brookies, rainbows, cutthroats and cutbows in the same water.  All walk and It’s not new anymore!  You’ve been advertising here for many, many months. Give us a rest… — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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