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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This one made a little more sense . You know though i still gotta tell you … there aint no fishies that got the brains of a tomato really. For you to state that "marine mammals " have "intellectual capacities" at least equal to ours while NOT the most confused thing i have read today … it IS the ‘Goofiest’ thing i have read this week .So once again you win .. Do you really, really want me to think that you cannot tell the difference in intelligence between you and flipper… hmmmm ..wait a second ! ..by golly … ! ….umm never mind. Flipper will be eating raw seaweed and peeing in the ocean until God ends existence … Guys like me [should the world continue] will be toasting flipper on a bun with a laser beam on planet x-11 after i teleport there for the weekend.  Please tell me you were kidding bob… By the way i had the BEST smoked salmon today ..so in some ways this topic is interesting to me .

Flipper as you call them has a brain that is in fact more sophisticated than the human brain. I speak with certainty here as my post doc work is in neuropsych. My home in Ireland is close to the Shannon estuary where we have the beautiful sight of them frolicking.Their beauty and intelligence is why they are protected. I miss thm when I am living in the US Blessings; Caillean `aSiobhan, Lady Carrigaholt Cheers to Dolphinwatch Carrigaholt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We rule the planet cause we are "superior" to all animals, plants insects and on and on… Lemme guess, you pulled that from "Dummies Guide to The Bible", Genesis 1:26? If you can’t figure out … haven’t realized yet ….that men are ’superior’ to a watermelon or a butterfly…then you have the brain of a cock – a – roacha . We rule the planet because we are a trillion times mo better .. mo smarter …. than a fruit fly. I’m not even talking bible here genius… If man rules the planet, he’d better look after it, but he isn’t..he’s raping it, men are good at rape. Bahb Oh another thinking atheist heheeeeee …no wonder !!!! the point here ..is that to equal the huge climatic changes that have occurred in the past you would have to have men build smoke belching factories on every square inch of the planet and let em run for 100 years and you *still* woulnt put anywhere near the particulate that past natural disasters have put into the atmosphere from 1 super volcano. bob [edumacating rainbow junior athesists and assorted wacky goofy guys for over a month now ] Robert;     We have superior intellect to some, not all, of Creation. Some marine mammals have intellectul capacities at least equal to ours. We have the power to create, to care of, or to destroy. Which do yyou suppose that the Creator of so very much beauty wishes us to embrace as our duty. It would seem to me to be simple logic. Blessings always, Robert; Caillean `aSiobhan, Lady Carrigaholt — Phylter Denizen of Darkness #44 AFJC Antipodean Attach

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This year we’re going to France to do some Fly-fishing. Does anybody has some experience in Bourgondie, Avergne, Midi-Pyrenes (or other places) thanks, martin

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Hey Martin, have a look at the following WebPages. The first two are for fishing only, Union Nationale pour la P

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In these trying times, when there has to be just one more way to make yet another dollar, I sense a marketing opportunity. Let me guess. You’re going to hire "mules" to smuggle hooks on airplanes. I suppose they’ll have to swallow them.

     Even better. These are high tech stainless hooks, so they aren’t dissolved by stomach acids. All the mule has to do is swallow them, then get      I was in with you on this one RW, but maybe we ought to think it a little more.       Charlie,       at least I hope they’re barbless

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I take that back, I bet the right marketer could have offices in every major airport within two years…..who wants to hear my idea? john

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I take that back, I bet the right marketer could have offices in every major airport within two years…..who wants to hear my idea? john

fire away, I’m on pins and needles  . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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…..who wants to hear my idea?

Shoot.

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we’re waiting       Handyman          Mike

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In these trying times, when there has to be just one more way to make yet another dollar, I sense a marketing opportunity.

Let me guess. You’re going to hire "mules" to smuggle hooks on airplanes. I suppose they’ll have to swallow them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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In these trying times, when there has to be just one more way to make yet another dollar, I sense a marketing opportunity. Somewhere along the line of two or three hundred dollars and flight….for the airlines. Anybody in here close enough to that industry to let me bend their ear a bit?  I mean this marvelous idea came from discussing fly fishing, so this post is only kinda sorta off topic. There is no profit or gain for you or I. I just have a question. john

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I plan to fly fish Sunday from sun-up to sun-down on a western Washington river. The hunt is for pink salmon. Has anyone had much success on the Skykomish river this past week? I was on it three times last week and saw a LOT of fish jumping/rolling/striking on the surface. However, they were on the far bank and I was unable to reach them. The report that I heard yesterday indicated there are a ton of pink salmon in the rivers right now. The second destination is the Stillaquamish river, west of I-5. I understand that’s supposed to be a good spot for salmon as well. I hope the visibility is up this weekend. Thanks for any input, Ryan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I plan to fly fish Sunday from sun-up to sun-down on a western Washington river. The hunt is for pink salmon. Has anyone had much success on the Skykomish river this past week? I was on it three times last week and saw a LOT of fish jumping/rolling/striking on the surface. However, they were on the far bank and I was unable to reach them. The report that I heard yesterday indicated there are a ton of pink salmon in the rivers right now. The second destination is the Stillaquamish river, west of I-5. I understand that’s supposed to be a good spot for salmon as well. I hope the visibility is up this weekend. Thanks for any input, Ryan

I just read a report that a guy and his partner caught 40 humpies in 4 hours last night on the lower Stilly. The fish are there. I’d be willing to bet that the lower Sky is pretty much the same. Darin

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Yeah, they’re there alright… I fished the Skykomish for a couple hours this weekend. Saw more fish than I’ve ever seen in my life. Didn’t get one hit. They must be thinking about getting a little instead of thinking about food.

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Its been a good for hatchery returns pretty much accross the board (Coho and Dog and Humpies). I unerstan the limit on steelhead hatchery returns to the grand Ronde was raised to 3. Dave

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OK, again I can’t keep my mouth (fingers?) shut.  I’ve been to the Stilly near I-5 three times in the last week, and in a word, it’s AWSOME.  The first day I stayed about an hour and a half, released a couple fish and took home 4 pinks.  All were bright and tasty.  The second day I took my son Andy with me and we spent a little longer, released more fish, and brought home 6.   Today I took Andy and a friend and it was better.  There were more fish and bigger fish.  Andy had a killer pattern that got him agressive strikes on 10 successive casts while I was next to him and hooked one fish per 20 casts.  Here’s a pattern for his fly: Hook:  TMC105 #4 (straight eye egg hook, heavy and short) Thread:  Hot pink. Eyes:  Small red Clouser style Tail:  Fuscia (pink) marabou, not too thick about 1.5 times the length of the body. Body:  Pink sparkle chenile We here in a pool below an island, and the fish were stacked up at the line between the two flows.  Others with non-pink flies and hardware were not catching nearly as many fish as I was, let alone the amazing catch Andy had.  My fly was the same as his, but without the eyes.  The strikes I got were gentle, not the attacks Andy was getting. Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I plan to fly fish Sunday from sun-up to sun-down on a western Washington river. The hunt is for pink salmon. Has anyone had much success on the Skykomish river this past week? I was on it three times last week and saw a LOT of fish jumping/rolling/striking on the surface. However, they were on the far bank and I was unable to reach them. The report that I heard yesterday indicated there are a ton of pink salmon in the rivers right now. The second destination is the Stillaquamish river, west of I-5. I understand that’s supposed to be a good spot for salmon as well. I hope the visibility is up this weekend. Thanks for any input, Ryan

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I unerstan the limit on steelhead hatchery returns to the grand Ronde was raised to 3.

Hey, Dave, do you know if they’re basing that on fish counts over the dams, or are the temps in the Ronde already low enough to be bringing enough fish in to give them a good idea of returns on the Ronde? Reason I ask is that I’ve got a two week plus trip starting next Sunday, heading up to see my folks and my brother up in Tacoma (driving from Nevada City, California). In addition to seeing an M’s game in this historic season, eating some good sushi for a change, and hitting some old favorite watering holes, I’m going to be doing a helluva lot of fishing. I’m going to start with a couple days on the Klamath on the way up, maybe hitting the Kalama for an afternoon before arriving in Tacoma the night before my M’s game, but on the way back I want to spend serious time on the Deschutes and, if it’s happening, the Ronde (with, of course, a day or so on either the upper Sac, the McCloud, or the Klamath on the way back). Too much damn water between California and Washington! Every time I do this trip, I spend two months thinking about which rivers I want to hit! Tight lines and two more seasons with Edgar, – Sid

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I know exactly how you feel, I do this to my husband, and then I feel awful. We will go out and have a nice evening, and if I eat too much, I get angry and take it out on him.  (Although he is usually the one who orders the extra food, and when it’s in front of me, I don’t have that much willpower.) But he realizes that I do not mean what I say, and that I love him.  I think that because we are so close and comfortable with our SO we tend to go off on them more easily than we would someone else, or even ourselves, when it is really ourselves we are angry with.  I’m sure he loves you and will forgive you.  I try to not react so strongly and to hold back a little more now.  It doesn’t always work, but most times it does.  I take a second and think to myself, it’s really me I’m angry with, why should he pay.  I know you can’t see him soon, but maybe  you could send him a nice card, and write your feelings in that.  Good luck. —           -Ren

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So George, you’ve found yet a new way to assert your commercial presence here…by creating new subject lines…make that HEADLINES several times a day? Don’t you have your own chatroom to manipulate? Bastards All & Lovin Them! Gehrke Fly Rods Best Buy in Nation Chat Site Alive and Well! Since February I have tried to see you as an unfairly treated person here. I find no reason to continue trying. Enough is enough. — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Washington DC area

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I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

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I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

this.  That you feel relieved is another question regarding you being able to think for yourself is in question with me.  You could have inspected the qualities of a fine fly rod first hand.  That you seem to have ‘a need’ to post such a remark in public, I regard as disappointing as it does not hurt me as much as it does you. A fair man wouldn’t have done this. Why did you do this?  We never did anything to you but work our hearts out for you. christ. Mr. G.

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Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back.  After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them.  Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something.  :-) Ernie Harrison Keep Livestock Away From Our Rivers and Streams. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.

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Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back.  After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them.  Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something.  :-) Ernie Harrison

______  Harrison, you’re very bit of what Doug Knight says you are. None of it good.  This style of post of yours again proves what kind of person you really are and always have been in ROFF. Mr. G.

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Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

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Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me. Mr. G.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.

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Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.

As much as it hurts to say it, I have to agree with George on this one. I have no problem if someone wants to cancel their order but your public statements only point out your preference for bolting with the herd rather than thinking for yourself or just checking it out first hand. Let’s face it. When George started this whole thing it was painfully clear that it was a risk to order a rod from someone that was taking on a fairly demanding technical task for the first time, regardless of what he said. If you didn’t think it was a risk (and the posts at that time made it pretty clear it was) then you were painfully naive. That risk has not changed since the beginning yet you have gotten nervous and bolted at the end. This is still OK by me but what is the purpose of publicly venting your "relief" at this juncture since you have absolutely nothing concrete to add to the debate except to proclaim this herd behavior? I would be embarrassed to publicly advertise that behavior if I were in your position. There have certainly been problems and George has been George. I have read nothing here that is any different than what George has posted since he first appeared on ROFF, so what else is new?! You guys act as if this is all a big surprise. Get real. If you were misled about what it might be like to deal with George on this, I would suggest it was in part done by yourselves and a lust for a new bamboo rod at what was initially hoped to be bargain basement prices. Maybe its time for a reality check and to get over it. As a disclaimer, this post is certainly not a defense of George. Some of the things that have gone on seem reprehensible to me and George is far from pure. Too much said. Jon "sucked into this thread" McAnulty

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Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself … SNIPPED

Exactly my thoughts!  At this point I don’t care how great they might be- I’m willing to skip ever finding out, just so I don’t have to deal with this guy and run the risk of being publicly demeaned. What a freakin’ nutcase. Before you buy.

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…I wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me.

And THIS is a serious problem because you don’t do any of it for yourself either.

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Nice to see the Mrs. has the same accumen. Tom

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I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.

It seems to me that the very essence of a public forum such as this newsgroup is to provide an opportunity for anyone to express an opinion; any opinion.  That someone chooses to express an opinion which has a bearing on the central issues covered in this particular newsgroup should not be lamented.  Consider also that the negative reports on Mr. Gerhke’s products undoubtedly do him a lot less damage than does his own behavior in this forum.  Moreover, his incessant peddling of his products here opens the door for responses pertaining to those products even when, as is the case here, those responses are overwhelmingly negative.  ROFF is a community in a truer sense of the word than are most of the cities, towns, and villages in which most of us live.  One of the things which makes this a true community is that the residents, by common if tacit consent, watch out for one another.  This is by and large true despite the vigor with which we sometimes attack one another’s sacred cows.  I am confident that most of the regulars here would warn other members of the community about actual or potential problems with any commercial product regardless of who produces that product.  That one particular purveyor of fly fishing related products chooses to use this forum as his personal marketing outlet should not , and does not, exempt him from the same scrutiny and criticism which any other manufacturer is subject to.  And if his products and his character bring out in public reviews which hurt his business well, what can one say but Tough Shit?!

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Was it Gatlinburg in mid-July, had you just it town and your throat was dry, and did think you’d stop and have yourself a brew?

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Right on John. I first went there in 1931 at age 6. A straw mattress and kerosene lamp. Jack in Nashville.

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Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.

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Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself or if they truly are the low end of the market. With the defensive, insulting, condescending, aloof and generally surly attitude you take, your business is doomed to fail. If I bought something off of you and decided to return it, and you sent me a nasty-gram along with my refund check, you would regret it for the rest of your business life. Tom.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.

And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company

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every one here knows exactly what they are missing

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every one here knows exactly what they are missing

______ You’re full of it, insect brain.  Along with the other turkeys in Roff just like you. Mr.G.

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I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen.  If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business.  Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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—-snip—- BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.

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—-snip—- BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out. —-snip—-

Gatlinburg! A place I remember with wood sidewalks where I bought one of the finest pair of moccasins I ever owned, real sqaw chewed Cherokee mocs. On the Illinois plains I could fly with them but in rocky terrain were less than ideal. That was 50yrs ago, before all the super interstates and a trip there from Dwight Ill. was an occasion and adventure. Most folks of the area went to Wisconsin or Michigan for pike or musky not to Tenn. for trout. It’s now probably a huge city full of crap and corruption like most of the other places that were peacfull and friendly in my long ago youth.                                                         John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company

  george, oh i mean gladys (yeah, right), i tried being tactful with your patient, i mean husband. and look where it got me. he comes on here and dumps shit on ANYONE who says ANYTHING that isn’t totally in agreement with his delusions about his rods. the guy is unstable, megalomaniacal,egocentric and a pathalogical liar. i fear for your safety "gladys". if he hasn’t sucked you into his Frostcukoo land beyond all hopes of escape, then RUN Gladys RUN before it’s too late.       bob smith, former weel wisher till i got slammed for trying to tell GG the truth. Before you buy.

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George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup.  What goes around come around.  Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.

_______  You don’t know what you’re missing.   Gladys Gehrke

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Hello. I’m Art Daudelin, a writer on assignment for "Physicians Financial News." I’m doing a piece on Fly Fishing and would like to speak with someone who can give me an overview and philosophy of the sport, as well as some tips, travel spots, etc. An M.D. would make a great subject for an interview, as the magazine is targeted to physicians, but any good insight would be welcome. E-mail me if you are interested… thanks in advance, art daudelin

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If I didn’t fish whenever possible, I’d strangle every911 callin, terminally unemployable slob who gets on teh medic…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I’m Art Daudelin, a writer on assignment for "Physicians Financial News." I’m doing a piece on Fly Fishing and would like to speak with someone who can give me an overview and philosophy of the sport, as well as some tips, travel spots, etc. An M.D. would make a great subject for an interview, as the magazine is targeted to physicians, but any good insight would be welcome. E-mail me if you are interested… thanks in advance, art daudelin

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Some people take too much delight, being amused  at our hardworking plight, we have no time to go fishing, we just sit here wishing, and that is a terrible sight !

remainder of powerful poetic passages snipped, regrettably) kudos again to the Bard. Mark Faulkner

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 Pete, I’d be careful about laying out your fishing plans here. Evidently, some roffians are becoming green with envy as they are tied to their respective desks and can’t join us lucky ones. You may be slammed….but what the hell…it sure is worth it –Wataugan "wish i could join you" Walt

Careful there guys..we might see an exodus from the ‘westies’ if word gets out.  :o) — Jeff Robbins CLELRITER CERTOQUE ICQ# 1286557

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Tribs is short for tributary stream running into lake Ontario.  Right now they are all open from the CNR tracks to the lake.  I’ve not heard anything about the credit but supposedly the Ganaraska is seeing big fish.  Bowmanville and Wilmont are usually good for 12 to 18 pound rainbows this time of year.  I tried to get out for that thaw last week but stuff happens.  I should be on Bowmanville or Soper this week hopefully.  I’ll  leave a report if all goes well.

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Tribs is short for tributary stream running into lake Ontario.  Right now they are all open from the CNR tracks to the lake.  I’ve not heard anything about the credit but supposedly the Ganaraska is seeing big fish.  Bowmanville and Wilmont are usually good for 12 to 18 pound rainbows this time of year.  I tried to get out for that thaw last week but stuff happens.  I should be on Bowmanville or Soper this week hopefully.  I’ll  leave a report if all goes well.

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Anyone been fishing yet this year in the Catskills?  I will be coming home from college in early May and would like some info on conditions, ect…  I particularly like fishing the smaller streams.  Any info is greatly appreciated.  Thanks ERIC

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Anyone been fishing yet this year in the Catskills?  I will be coming home from college in early May and would like some info on conditions, ect…  I particularly like fishing the smaller streams.  Any info is greatly appreciated.  Thanks ERIC

Eric, Spent the weekend up at the Beaverkill. The Great Flood scoured the river severely, creating deep holes where there were none before, and dumping big boulders where you can be sure to trip and fall. Some say most of the fish were swept out of the Willowemoc and Beaverkill into the main Delaware. But others say the fish&game people located 38 out of 39 big browns fitted with radio antennas in much the same places they were before the flood. Others are equally concerned about the insect population. The riverbed was churned up pretty badly. Half of Roscoe campsite, just below Junction Pool, was inundated with muddy waters that left a foot of river sand. I checked a few rocks at Junction Pool and found nymphs under almost every rock at the edges of the riffles. Between the flood and the droughts of the past few years, it would be a pleasant surprise if we saw great hatches this season. So far, I’ve seen a few early stoneflies,   small caddis and some tiny Olives. Nothing to get excited or depressed about. Great Flood, was done in by a spin fisherman on the Willowemoc. It won the opening day honors on April 1st. And the state trucks were spottted stocking up and down the Beaverkill on Monday, April 22nd. As for the weekend fishing, Mary Dette described it as slow in her daily reports, which she said was to be expected in April. I met a lot of fishermen on the river, which is still running high, and very few of them had caught a single fish. I don’t want to be caught telling fish stories, but I caught a half dozen trout Friday evening on a #12 Hendrickson (yup!) and another dozen late Monday afternoon on a variety od #16 nymphs. None of them really count. They were all in an innocent looking eddy, where they were dumped by fish&game folk, or where they sought cover from the heavy water. All were the size of stocked fish, and included a couple of rainbows. One guide told me all of them were holdovers, and that rainbows, because of whirling disease, weren’t being stocked. (I listen but I don’t always believe.) Naturally, I won’t say where I caught all these trout. Anyhow, they aren’t there any longer. Every trout I caught was unceremoniously dumped into the fast riffles in the main river. It may be a little tougher in the fast lane, but they’ll have a better of escaping the two-legged, meat-loving predators. Hell, I want to enjoy those trout all season! The highlight of the weekend was the fly tying by Ted Patlen at the Catskill Fly Fishing Center & Museum. I think he tied one of everything, and had a solution to most of my fly-tying problems. He ties flies that catch fish, as well as those that catch anglers. Ted works at Ramsey Outdoors in Paramus, NJ.

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I will be at a meeting at NIST in Boulder CO on Wed, June 9, and may stay over for fly fishing in the nearby area for Thu through Sat June 10-12.  Any recommendations for rivers, hatches, flys, and fly fishing shops would be most welcome.         — Jim Comly Dr. James B. Comly (Jim)        Physicist, Artificial Intelligence 1 River Road                    Phone: (518)387-5920 Schenectady, NY 12301           Fax:   (518)387-6845

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Recommend you go to the FrontRange Anglers  flyfishing shop for the best place to fish while you are there.  They also will give you info on best flys (of course they will just happen to have it for sale). You asked about streams close by.  Most of the blue ribbon streams are a couple of hours away.  I used to fish the big Thompson below Rocky Mountain Park as it is only 40 minutes from Boulder. Wish I were going with you.  Kinda hard to catch trout in Texas. Good luck on the fishing. ron lipasek

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Recommend you go to the FrontRange Anglers  flyfishing shop for the best place to fish while you are there.  They also will give you info on best flys (of course they will just happen to have it for sale). You asked about streams close by.  Most of the blue ribbon streams are a couple of hours away.  I used to fish the big Thompson below Rocky Mountain Park as it is only 40 minutes from Boulder. Wish I were going with you.  Kinda hard to catch trout in Texas. Good luck on the fishing. ron lipasek

The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? Bryan Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that! Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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| | I will be at a meeting at NIST in Boulder CO on Wed, June 9, and may stay | over for fly fishing in the nearby area for Thu through Sat June | 10-12.  Any recommendations for rivers, hatches, flys, and fly fishing | shops would be most welcome. | |   — Jim Comly | | Dr. James B. Comly (Jim)        Physicist, Artificial Intelligence | 1 River Road                    Phone: (518)387-5920 | Schenectady, NY 12301           Fax:   (518)387-6845 I’m sorry to say James, but all of the rivers in the area are muddy and swollen and will be for at least another 3 weeks according to the local experts. The nearest lakes with good fishing are 2.5-3 hours from Boulder. If you are intersted in this let me know. Sorry for the bad news. Dan Baldwin

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| Recommend you go to the FrontRange Anglers  flyfishing shop for the | best place to fish while you are there.  They also will give you info | on best flys (of course they will just happen to have it for sale). | | You asked about streams close by.  Most of the blue ribbon streams | are a couple of hours away.  I used to fish the big Thompson below | Rocky Mountain Park as it is only 40 minutes from Boulder. | | Wish I were going with you.  Kinda hard to catch trout in Texas. | | Good luck on the fishing. | | ron lipasek | | The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some | kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out | "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? | | Bryan | | Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death. |               It is much more important than that! | Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. | Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     | P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without | Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after. I heard nothing about this and as a matter of fact fished on the Big Thompson earlier this year. I had my license checked by a local fish and game warden and talked to him for a half an hour about the river; he said nothing about any fish kill. Also, I caught several fish that afternoon , size wise they seemed about average compared to the other fish I have caught on this river over the last 10 years. Dan Baldwin

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: The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some : kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out : "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? : Bryan         The fish kill was less than a mile of the river.  It was also below the canyon.  It did kill pretty much all the trout in that section, but did not affect the whole river.  Last I heard they never did figure out what caused it.  It may have been some jerk who poured some contaminant in the water at the Sylvan Dale bridge.         We went up the canyon last weekend and the water was pretty clear and lots of people fishing.  With the warm weather this could have changed. The Poudre is definitely high and muddy. Craig Bryant Hewlett Packard Ft. Collins, CO 80526

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : The Big Thompson had a serious fish kill this past year.  There was some : kind of heavy metal contamination which by the reports I heard took out : "all" of the trout.  Anyone out there who remembers the details clearly? : Bryan    The fish kill was less than a mile of the river.  It was also below the canyon.  It did kill pretty much all the trout in that section, but did not affect the whole river.  Last I heard they never did figure out what caused it.  It may have been some jerk who poured some contaminant in the water at the Sylvan Dale bridge.    We went up the canyon last weekend and the water was pretty clear and lots of people fishing.  With the warm weather this could have changed. The Poudre is definitely high and muddy. Craig Bryant Hewlett Packard Ft. Collins, CO 80526

Craig, Thanks for the confirmation/clarification.  I thought maybe my hallucination spells had started up again. Bryan

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