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Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari Ari & Gaelle Bert                                   +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                 www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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says… Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari

Ari, You’ll get more knowledgeable responses, but did you try searching the group for the Electrofishing thread a few weeks ago?  I though Mike had put up quite a bit of detail about various equipment and techniques. Rob

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Did he? I’ll look but I probably missed it. Ari You’ll get more knowledgeable responses, but did you try searching the group for the Electrofishing thread a few weeks ago?  I though Mike had put up quite a bit of detail about various equipment and techniques. Rob

Ari & Gaelle Bert                                   +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                 www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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<2 lines of text followed by 18 friggin’ lines of sig You really need to learn some netiquette. Do a Google on RFC1855 and read it. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sorry buddy, my email was linked to my newsreader. It should be sorted out now. Apologies once again. Ari <2 lines of text followed by 18 friggin’ lines of sig You really need to learn some netiquette. Do a Google on RFC1855 and read it. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ari Bert wrote Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari It is best to buy a "ready-made" machine. It is very dangerous to experiment.   They can be harmful to fish, and a lot of other things, including humans. In most places, it is illeagl to use them without a licence. TL MC

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You will find some info here. Take particuar note of the safety instructions; http://water.usgs.gov/nawqa/protocols/OFR-93-104/fishp11.html TL MC

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<< Ari: Does anyone know how to build one? Yes.  With a certainty that you won’t stun yourself and drown?  No. And are they harmful to fish? Frequently. …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Unless said waters are your personal property, probably not legal.  Checking with my town’s lakes biological services provider, not legal in NJ without a permit from DEP. GKT

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I recall one landowner I worked with who spoke of his bass pond.  They had overpopulated, and were stunted as a result.  He got the idea to plug in his battery charger and throw the jumper cables into the pond, to sort of thin the population out. "That," he said.  "Did the trick probably a little too well." Pete Collin

Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari

* Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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Hand cranked generator from an old telephone.  Two ten ft lengths of wire. Works in small creeks and fish ponds don’t know about bigger lakes and rivers.

Does anyone know how to build one? And are they harmful to fish? …and no I won’t count any fish caught in this manner as a fly-caught fish. I just want to start doing a census on some waters around me. Ari

* Ari & Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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I saw a crew electrofishing in Yellowstone last August. It looked really interesting. I’d pay money to try it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rod builders out there . . . The subject company (a small business I suspect) offers graphite rod building kits for about $70.  No manufacturer mentioned for the blanks.  I am considering this as a good way to build a first rod and learn without spending big bucks on a good blank.  The rod would then be used for teaching my 9 year old to cast and if I learn how to build a rod and feel confident, I’ll do one on a nice blank.  Anyway: Have any of you folks built a rod from this guy and can you tell me if it was reasonable quality.  I don’t want to pay $70 and find out it is junk. The web site is:  http://www.jbrodco.com/ Let me know, Jim

Jim You could spend more for less at wally world, if you want or expect a custom sage, forget it.  What do you want for 70 bucks..?                 Why don’t you ask him what kind of hardware is included..? You maybe should ask him to put it together for you too.

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As I indicated – I am looking for a good starter set of components I can use to learn on, before building a Sage or similar blank.  I have no issue with spending a few bucks on good components or a completed rod (as all my rods are today) I want to try rod-building. I have asked him about the stuff, but I was looking for other opinions from those who may have actually bought a kit and used them. Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi Jim, As stated by another responding to you, ask the seller what components come with the kit.  Things to look for are what the blank is made from, who makes it, is it fast or slow action, what is the warranty on the blank, does he have any references of those who have already built from the kit.  Next I would get the name of the manufacturer of the various components, I.E., reel seat, guides (ask how many stripping guides), cork handle, thread, type of finishing materials included and any other stuff you can think of.  I would than look on the net to compare prices or get a few catalogs from places like Angler’s Workshop, Head & Tails, Cabelas, Dale Clemens and whomever else you can think of who sells blanks and rod building gear.  There are rod building sights on the net in addition to magazines devoted to the subject. You might want to check out Fly Rod & Reel and Fly Fishing and Tying Journal.  I have seen classified ads in these magazines for blanks and kits. I have found blanks in the past that are absolutely incredible.  Some are only $3-4 per foot, and are so good that I can not, for the life of me, explain how the big guys like Sage, Loomis, T&T and others get so much for their blanks/rods. Good luck with your project.  No matter what you eventually purchase, you will enjoy the process with your son and it will help you make informed decisions for future projects. Pete

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rod builders out there . . . The subject company (a small business I suspect) offers graphite rod building kits for about $70.  No manufacturer mentioned for the blanks.  I am considering this as a good way to build a first rod and learn without spending big bucks on a good blank.  The rod would then be used for teaching my 9 year old to cast and if I learn how to build a rod and feel confident, I’ll do one on a nice blank.  Anyway: Have any of you folks built a rod from this guy and can you tell me if it was reasonable quality.  I don’t want to pay $70 and find out it is junk. The web site is:  http://www.jbrodco.com/ Let me know, Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Rod builders out there . . . The subject company (a small business I suspect) offers graphite rod building kits for about $70.  No manufacturer mentioned for the blanks.  I am considering this as a good way to build a first rod and learn without spending big bucks on a good blank.  The rod would then be used for teaching my 9 year old to cast and if I learn how to build a rod and feel confident, I’ll do one on a nice blank.  Anyway: Have any of you folks built a rod from this guy and can you tell me if it was reasonable quality.  I don’t want to pay $70 and find out it is junk. The web site is:  http://www.jbrodco.com/ Let me know, Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you.

I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose…

OUCH!  I think I’d rather be hanged.  :-)      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."             – Henry David Thoreau

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The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Aloha Bob, Feather-Craft Fly Fishing of St. Louis has one of these in their catalog: Item 621. FLYFISH NECK LANYARD features a super-comfortable neck pad with a dual break away design (no way to hang yourself in this one). Four swivel snaps … yadda yadda yadda. A must for float tubers ! and so on and so forth. http://www.flyfishamerica.com/Ads/National/FeatherCraft98JF.html — Ken Fortenberry

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You’re an animal Timbo Waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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one question…. where do you hang your priest? waldo

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I pierced my nipples for just this purpose… I’ve got an Orvis Zinger, forceps and clippers on the right and a tape measure / bottle of gink on the left.

    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty. JE

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one question…. where do you hang your priest?

Why would I need two ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t wear a necklace while wading. One slip near a low tree branch and the current will hang you. Hey, to each his own,      - Ken If I remember right they have a fairly low test breaking point built in.

              Jim

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[deleted]    I’ve seen it.  Not pretty.  Functional, but not pretty.

How was Delaney ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Well I made mine with some fishing beads and other beads and some snaffles for casting tackle.  Of course if you want to pay $30 to 40 bucks,…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Fly Shop in Redding California carries that product.  The web addy is http://www.theflyshop.com   phone number is 800-669-3474    Be sure to get a couple of those nifty Holdzit products to go on the lanyard. Sharp hooks, Pat    Holdzit.com Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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They’re called lanyards.  I’ve seen them used in the salt and by some steelhead guides.  Make one. Use a piece of wire leader mtl., about 60+lb; cut some 2"/3" pieces of thin vinyl tubing.  Slip on a clip, a pc of tubing, a clip, tubing, etc..  Put the cable together with crimp sleeves, cover it with a pc of vinyl and go fish. BTW; make the thing big enough that you can pull your head out of it if it got caught on something.  Heard of a fellow…Ah, long story. BB

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I usually wear my best pearl string. But if you ask the ‘dudes’ out here they’ll tell you they usually wear a snot covered faded bandana. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible. Aloha – bob    ooo_ — http://www.aloha.net/~bgraham

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Bob Grahm asked:I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

You might try Larry Notley at Pockit Sports Co.in Dallas. I am not aware of his web site, but his address is 7235 Syracuse Dr., Dallas, Texas 75214 Phone 214-553-1845 and his Fax is 214-553-0347 Big Dale

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I’ve seen a necklace with beads, clips and zingers for carrying fly fishing tools, etc.  Can anyone tell me where I can get one?  Point me to a web page if possible.

Bob you naughty boy, don’t you know you can get leather thongs & beads at an arts & craft store  An alternative to leather is to use a boot lace. Lot’s of great stuff at the crafts stores BTW (for less than the cost at fly shops).  Speaking of beads, beading wire is useful for ribbing on nymphs.  Also available at craft stores are 5 mm pom poms for mini glo-bugs, 1/4" elastic for making leader spool tenders, doll eyes for streamers, etc.   Some bead stores are popping up at shopping malls; metallic alphabet beads to spell out your name or initials are a nice touch.  You can get the zingers and clippers at the fly shop.  I don’t like wearing my fishing necklace anymore since it tends to get in the way of my chest pack but if you wear a vest such a device can be very convenient. Mu Young Lee      Ann Arbor, MI   USA

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there.

You found no guidance because Sage has a dirty little secret.  They do not make any rods in Seattle.  All they do is relabel Orvis’s seconds. All the best conspiracy theories are utterly groundless. Keep your stick on the ice, Thos.

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Anybody know if GLoomis does factory tours / sells seconds(blems) since they are also in Washington (abeit the Southern end). Hatch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. You found no guidance because Sage has a dirty little secret.  They do not make any rods in Seattle.  All they do is relabel Orvis’s seconds. All the best conspiracy theories are utterly groundless. Keep your stick on the ice, Thos.

Orvis rods are built by St. Croix.

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Yea they do, but I am not sure there prices are all that great.  If you are real serious and can build something with your hands, then you need to look at Sage seconds on their blanks.  A store in Seattle, I beleive it is Anthony’s Fly Shop (if that ends up being wrong, let me know and I will see if I can dig up the correct info) used to sell Sage second blanks for $80.  I built my first one this way and I love it. Just a thought, Curtis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody know if GLoomis does factory tours / sells seconds(blems) since they are also in Washington (abeit the Southern end). Hatch I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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I believe it is actually Patrick’s Fly Shop in Seattle (on Eastlake Avenue) that sells Sage seconds. They’re pretty close to the Eastlake Zoo tavern, if that helps (and I know it helps me). Sid remove thisain for email replies – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yea they do, but I am not sure there prices are all that great.  If you are real serious and can build something with your hands, then you need to look at Sage seconds on their blanks.  A store in Seattle, I beleive it is Anthony’s Fly Shop (if that ends up being wrong, let me know and I will see if I can dig up the correct info) used to sell Sage second blanks for $80.  I built my first one this way and I love it. Just a thought, Curtis Anybody know if GLoomis does factory tours / sells seconds(blems) since they are also in Washington (abeit the Southern end). Hatch I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there.

I stopped by the Sage factory yesterday. Nice place with a casting pool behind. Does anyone know how a rod factory got built in such prime land. Ron Looi www.geocities.com/RainForest/2730/

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email

Hi Sid, Sage does not sell direct or from the factory. The best bet is to get a blank if you are looking to save money. Get a part time job in a fly shop? Open a fly shop? Date a girl who’s father has a fly shop? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Do you have a daugther available?   On second thought, my wife my object and she’s been pretty supportive of my fishing "habit" so far.  ;-) Hatch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, I was thinking about visiting the Sage factory on Bainbridge and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Has anybody tried this? Does Sage even have a customer facility at their factory on Bainbridge? I checked their website, but found no guidance there. Thanks in advance, Sid remove thisaint for email Hi Sid, Sage does not sell direct or from the factory. The best bet is to get a blank if you are looking to save money. Get a part time job in a fly shop? Open a fly shop? Date a girl who’s father has a fly shop? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I’m thinking about buying a Sage rod. Since I live in Seattle, … and seeing if they sell anything direct from the factory that I might be able to get at a lower cost. Date a girl who’s father has a fly shop?

Rather few and far between! most of the fly shop owners proprietors of my acquaintence are too obsessed with FF to have time for things as mundane as wives, families or sex. Ralph H

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Dear flyfisher, I am building a free-ware database on behalve of the mail list. Allthough there is lot’s of support from the group, it is not easy to get original pictures. Therefore I need somebody who is willing to make pictures of very nice hand-tied flies and send me the digitized pictures. Reward: very high quality hand-tied flies, and your name mentioned in the database. Erik Bosters

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I am building a free-ware database on behalve of the mail list. Allthough there is lot’s of support from the group, it is not easy to get original pictures.

 I’ll agree it’s not easy. But here’s how I do it: 35mm camera with bellows and tripod, 200mm lense This way you can completely fill a 35mm slide with a #20 nymph, or back off and shoot a 4" long streamer. Build a light tent with translucent, synthetic fabric, like "gloryosa cloth" sold at women’s fabric store. Use a medium blue background, with construction paper or whatever. Illuminate the tent with two 500 watt blue bulbs, to balance with exterior film, of whatever speed. The slower the sharper. Use the light meter for a starting point, but bracket each shot 1 stop in each direction (three exposures per shot). Use f22 or f32 for maximum depth of field. Use the timer, as your exposures will be long. —  * Center for Computational Biology  * Montana State Bozeman  (406) 994-7061  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy */

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I’ll agree it’s not easy. But here’s how I do it: 35mm camera with bellows and tripod, 200mm lense This way you can completely fill a 35mm slide with a #20 nymph, or back off and shoot a 4" long streamer.

[deleted] I absolutely concede to you expertise on this subject, Sandy,  but there is one observation I’d like to make. On photographing fishing flies. The odd thing about these photographs is that the critical component seems to be not necessarily in quality of photograph for enlargement.  It seems like when you enlarge anyones flies, the bigger they get, the more defects you notice…which distracts from the quality of the photograph in a way that is really unique to this subject, I feel. Once you start noticing thread overlaps in the head and nicks in materials and stuff, the quality of the photgraph becomes secondary. I recently (foolishly) purchased (I’m not sure of the exact title…) "The Flies of the Umpqua Feather Merchants" which has 1100 color photographs in it.   I have studied it intently.   It’s bizarre to see an Umpqua tied #20 AK Best quill that looks like *complete* crap in the (whatever size they are) photographs.   The quality of the photo is there, but the fly itself [when enlarged] doesn’t cut it. In other endeavours, like in the Macrophotography of the naturals themselves, the quality of the photo is paramount and as you get up in the enlargement range, the beauty of natures work is more revealed.   As you get up in the enlargment range of an imitation, the ugliness of mans hand becomes more revealed. Thus, I posit that a much less expensive 35SLR/80mm with a cheap macro filter will suffice quite nicely for JPG bound fly images providing the lighting, exposure and focus are reasonable.   It might be interesting to compare notes in the images group. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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  Thus, I posit that a much less expensive 35SLR/80mm with a cheap macro   filter will suffice quite nicely for JPG bound fly images providing the   lighting, exposure and focus are reasonable.   It might be interesting to   compare notes in the images group.   —   TimW

Or, I’d be happy to host these images on my web site.  Many of us can’t access the binaries groups.  I too am curious. I have had very limited success taking pictures of flies, and it is not because of a lack of equipment… For this experiment, I’d suggest the GIF format for uniform and virtually lossless compression. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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The problem with GIF is it is limited in its color palette.  JPG has an unlimited color palette so reproduced most photographs better.  Also when scanning for publication on the web it is necessary to reduce the resolution of the scan so the resulting image is reasonable to download so lossless compression  is not nearly as important as reproducing the entire color range of the object being photographed. Also for scanning for the web it is really not important whether the image is a slide or a print.  A print will work just as well because of the lower resolution of the scan.  Those of us with some experience in reproducing photos for print media have had to relearn some things when it comes to the web.  It is a good idea to use a single-color, non-textured background in the photographs because that type of background compresses best without loss of detail (there is no detail to lose). With all the digital cameras available I still think that 35mm is the way to go for most macro shots.  I have tried using a macro digital camera, a digitizer attached to a macro-capable video camera and direct scans of the flies.  Film still works best at this point. Having said all that I am also still in the process of getting the quality of image I need for fly photos on my own site.  A professional fly-tyer and photographer has kindly sent me some excellent quality scans of some of the flies.  These have a textured background which looks stunning at full resolution but compression isn’t as good as it could be and the file sizes tend to be a little larger than I would like.  His background is also in print where image quality and sharpness is everything and the size of a file doesn’t matter.  He has agreed to try a solid background on his next shoot to compare file sizes and resolution at each size. — — Sherman www.flyfishingjournal.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Thus, I posit that a much less expensive 35SLR/80mm with a cheap macro   filter will suffice quite nicely for JPG bound fly images providing the   lighting, exposure and focus are reasonable.   It might be interesting to   compare notes in the images group.   —   TimW Or, I’d be happy to host these images on my web site.  Many of us can’t access the binaries groups.  I too am curious. I have had very limited success taking pictures of flies, and it is not because of a lack of equipment… For this experiment, I’d suggest the GIF format for uniform and virtually lossless compression. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.

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Sherman, Thanks for the information, does taking slide pictures with a regular 35MM and sending the film to a developer like Wolf  Camera and Video at http\www.wolfcamera.com give a satisfactory result? — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The problem with GIF is it is limited in its color palette.  JPG has an unlimited color palette so reproduced most photographs better.  Also when scanning for publication on the web it is necessary to reduce the resolution of the scan so the resulting image is reasonable to download so lossless compression  is not nearly as important as reproducing the entire color range of the object being photographed. Also for scanning for the web it is really not important whether the image is a slide or a print.  A print will work just as well because of the lower resolution of the scan.  Those of us with some experience in reproducing photos for print media have had to relearn some things when it comes to the web.  It is a good idea to use a single-color, non-textured background in the photographs because that type of background compresses best without loss of detail (there is no detail to lose). With all the digital cameras available I still think that 35mm is the way to go for most macro shots.  I have tried using a macro digital camera, a digitizer attached to a macro-capable video camera and direct scans of the flies.  Film still works best at this point. Having said all that I am also still in the process of getting the quality of image I need for fly photos on my own site.  A professional fly-tyer and photographer has kindly sent me some excellent quality scans of some of the flies.  These have a textured background which looks stunning at full resolution but compression isn’t as good as it could be and the file sizes tend to be a little larger than I would like.  His background is also in print where image quality and sharpness is everything and the size of a file doesn’t matter.  He has agreed to try a solid background on his next shoot to compare file sizes and resolution at each size. — — Sherman

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  The problem with GIF is it is limited in its color palette.  JPG has an   unlimited color palette so reproduced most photographs better.  

and the problem with jpg is that most all of the software packages do the compression differently for a given compression ratio. if the goal is to compare photo methods, then eliminating the variable of the compression routine is desirable – THAT’s why I suggest GIF. As for slides vs/ prints… comparing a scan of a slide to a scan of a print introduces all sorts of additional variables. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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I’ve seen photos of actual insects taken using two flash guns of decent power (guide N0 100) one either side of the lens, fired simultaneously, with the camera and flash guns mounted on a kind of T structure all fired simultaneously by cable release.

For more info on a similar device, see John Shaw’s book – Closeups In Nature (a photographer’s guide to techniques in the field). I built one of his "butterfly brackets", as he calls it, and it works quite well. You can hand hold this affair, shoot excellent closeups of moving insect, and get sharp, well exposed photos. You can find the book inphoto  pro shops or catalog supply houses- usually. From the minute we’re born we all start dying;some of us just take longer than others. Me? I’ve been dragging my feet, but it doesn’t seem to help much.

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You can hand hold this affair, shoot excellent closeups of moving insect, and get sharp, well exposed photos.

Apparently the trick is (i.e. with live insects at least) to point your rig at the beast then move in slowly towards it, and when the image becomes sharp, fire!  The flash exposure will "stop" movement.  This way you do not have to hunt for the subject in the viewfinder – it would have probably gone anyway! This technique should work just as well for artificial flies, and they won’t fly away – unless your tying is particulary lifelike Regards, — Bill

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Apparently the trick is (i.e. with live insects at least) to point your rig at the beast then move in slowly towards it, and when the image becomes sharp, fire!  The flash exposure will "stop" movement.  This way you do not have to hunt for the subject in the viewfinder – it would have probably gone anyway!

That’s pretty much the way it works. You’ll find you need to stop down to at least  f-16 – f-22 at these ranges assuming relatively slow film, say 50 to 100 ASA. That will give you "pretty good" depth of field, depending on your lens, and the output of your flash. Best to shoot a test roll first, write down your exposures and then select the f-stop that gives you the result you’re looking for. This technique should work just as well for artificial flies, and they won’t fly away – unless your tying is particulary lifelike

Exactly. From the minute we’re born we all start dying;some of us just take longer than others. Me? I’ve been dragging my feet, but it doesn’t seem to help much.

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se f22 or f32 for maximum depth of field.

Presumably this is the "camera" stop – the effective stop will be more like f64+, I forget the formula but I think the effective aperture is the lens to film distance divided by the diameter of the lens opening. Check this out as it may help you to calculate the correct exposure. I’ve seen photos of actual insects taken using two flash guns of decent power (guide N0 100) one either side of the lens, fired simultaneously, with the camera and flash guns mounted on a kind of T structure all fired simultaneously by cable release.  This makes the whole cinstruction more mobile – if mobility is needed. Regards, — Bill

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Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?

Ray: I come from Pennsylvania, but have been to Missoula enough to safely say only this – you are moving to flyfishing nirvana, and depending on where you put your bedroll, you will have to travel… oh, let’s see….how about a hundred yards? I’ll leave the rest to the many guys in this group who really know Montana; of course, they may not want any more competition. Mark Faulkner

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding? Ray: I come from Pennsylvania, but have been to Missoula enough to safely say only this – you are moving to flyfishing nirvana, and depending on where you put your bedroll, you will have to travel… oh, let’s see….how about a hundred yards? I’ll leave the rest to the many guys in this group who really know Montana; of course, they may not want any more competition. Mark Faulkner

Try Rock Creek, close to Missoula and potent. Be sure and hit the stone fly season. You wont be able to keep them off the line!              Angler Al

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Hi, The movie "relocated" the family to Missoula, and filmed the river shots not on the Blackfoot or Missouri, but on the West Fork of the Gallatin.  So while the movie played loose with the book and with history, you will not go astray with the fishing around and about Missoula.  Great country in every direction. Jess Thompson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for

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Nirvana is a good description. In the area (5-30 minutes drive) The Clark Fork The Blackfoot The Bitterroot "Where great trout rivers meet" that is a very accurate description Rock Creek is close I moved here a year and a half ago ( been coming for 5 years) that s how good it is! In Missoula visit  "The Grizzly Hackle" in Hamilton visit "Riverbend Fly shops" they will set you straight Bo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Gee I hope you are independently wealthy, or a college kid living on next to nothing, or mom and dads money.  There’s a saying around here…"whats the difference between a rich Californian and a poor Bitterrooter?"   "About two years!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nirvana is a good description. In the area (5-30 minutes drive) The Clark Fork The Blackfoot The Bitterroot "Where great trout rivers meet" that is a very accurate description Rock Creek is close I moved here a year and a half ago ( been coming for 5 years) that s how good it is! In Missoula visit  "The Grizzly Hackle" in Hamilton visit "Riverbend Fly shops" they will set you straight Bo Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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[snip] Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known. [snip] Is that really you, George – or is your shadow posting again? Didn’t you recently go ballistic over someone using fly gear with bait, George? Hypocrite, George??

_______HEY MAN, give me a little slack please. How can a boy be a hypocrite at the age of 12? George — MZ

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[snip] Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known.

[snip] Is that really you, George – or is your shadow posting again? Didn’t you recently go ballistic over someone using fly gear with bait, George? Hypocrite, George??

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Steelhead in the Maumee River now?!!!  Along with the Walleye runs that have been showing up for the last 25 years?  I happen to know the Maumee River like no man alive.  I grew up on it.  Whitehouse, Waterville, Monclova, Ohio area.  Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known.  Used to club carp there.  Has a lot of drop offs in order to get out there.  Ron Kinkaid in Whitehouse Ohio knows that area even better than me because he still fishes it and you forget things over the years.  The Maumee, named because a crying Indian baby at Turkey Foot Rock was whimpering ma-me, mau-me is how it was named . . . believe it or not.  All the General Anthony Wayne Signs are of my design and invention back in 1953 – 54.  The entire bust and hat and everything.  General Mad Anthony Wayne is the logo for Anthony Wayne High School where I graduated in 1954.  Went directly from H.S. into Flight Training for the U.S.A.F.  Was the first H.S. Graduate in the United States to qualify for fighter pilot school via Chanute Air Force Base in the United States.  I’m kind of proud of that Lee. Yah, I’m an old Buckeye Bronco from Ohio, you betcha!  Used to walk to school (Monclova Grade School) along Swan Creek everyday, even in the winter.  Loved it so.  Chuck Holloway still lives on that road along Swan Creek.  Good place to hunt Wood Duck when the season was in but now not so much as it is basically only a nesting area now, all the way down to Wreckerly Road and where the old county dump used to be, where I used to shoot rats with a .22 single shot.  Great sport!  Rat hunting. Lou Klewer, the ex-outdoor editor of the Toledo Blade lived on Wreckerly Road and I bought my first and most favorite rifle and caliber from Lou. A pre-64 Model 70 in the .220 Swift, which still is my most favorite of all calibers. If God said I had to settle for only one Rifle it would be the .220 Swift.  You betcha!  (Once again) Anyhow Lee, where in Toledo do you live?  I hope this post you aren’t bored with.  You just brought back memories.  I’ll be flying into Toledo Express this spring, a few more weeks or so away.  I have a brother living in Sylvania and Whitehouse, Ohio.  Plus, I always visit Ron Kinkaid.  He lives directly a cross the road from A.W. High School. Have to run Lee.  I knew there was something about you I liked. George Gehrke — MZ — MZ

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Hi, I went to the fly fishing course my instructor has taught me to keep the rod straight against my wrist during the entire motion.  He said to prevent RSI and have a smooth motion that won’t tire me out. I watched a video last night from Bass Pro Shops that said I should use my wrist to power the rod. My instructor was German, Who is it really done? Thanks John

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Hi, I went to the fly fishing course my instructor has taught me to keep the rod straight against my wrist during the entire motion.  He said to prevent RSI and have a smooth motion that won’t tire me out. I watched a video last night from Bass Pro Shops that said I should use my wrist to power the rod. My instructor was German, Who is it really done?

Hi John, Without getting into a lengthy discussion here, I might suggest that your casting instructor is correct. I would highly recommend Mel Krieger’s excellent video entitled "The Essence of Fly Casting" . In it, he explains the mechanics of fly casting in an easy to understand manner. I hope this helps,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, California   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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Hi, I went to the fly fishing course my instructor has taught me to keep the rod straight against my wrist during the entire motion.  He said to prevent RSI and have a smooth motion that won’t tire me out. I watched a video last night from Bass Pro Shops that said I should use my wrist to power the rod. My instructor was German, Who is it really done? Thanks John

Hi Jon-    I would hope both your sources are correct. NO you should not lock the rod against the wrist during the entire casting motion.    I’m guessing he overemphasized the stiff wrist thing because he noted a tendency for you to use your wrist excessively. A lot of beginners use their wrist exclusively and others develop a real floppy wrist motion that blows any chance for a tight loop.    I have some friends from San Francisco with very limp wrists but they’re still excellent casters.    But then again, I’m Scotch.    -Ralph —

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: Hi, : I went to the fly fishing course my instructor has taught me to keep the : rod straight against my wrist during the entire motion.  He said to : prevent RSI and have a smooth motion that won’t tire me out. : I watched a video last night from Bass Pro Shops that said I should use : my wrist to power the rod. : My instructor was German, Who is it really done? There are many ways. I’ve seen a *lot* of different styles, but the best caster I know uses mainly forearm motion and a bit of wrist. What’s more important is adapting your casting motion to the weight of the rod and line. What *is* important is to avoid letting the wrist flex as you begin the forward stroke; keep it rigid at this point. Some novies tend to allow the wrist to flex, so while the arm starts moving, the tip of the rod remains motionless, and the line drops. Focus on the tip; concentrate on how the tip is moving through the air, not the butt where you’re holding the rod. Economy of motion and getting a feel for the rhythm of the rod and line are the keys to an efficent casting style. –mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I went to the fly fishing course my instructor has taught me to keep the rod straight against my wrist during the entire motion.  He said to prevent RSI and have a smooth motion that won’t tire me out. I watched a video last night from Bass Pro Shops that said I should use my wrist to power the rod. My instructor was German, Who is it really done? Thanks John   I have some friends from San Francisco with very limp wrists but they’re still excellent casters.

I *bet* you do, sailor. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I fished the N. Fork Saturday and found only Smallmouth Bass. Really good ones, too, but no trout. Water was gin clear and warm.  I fished the Yankee Jim access east of Colfax.  Got buzzed by a Timber Ratltler, saw some homeless-types panning, and generally was disappointed. Am I selling this river short?  Is there beter action upriver around Mumford Bar, and if so, how is the access? It seems like it could be a good resource and I know a portion of the river has Wild Trout status. Any info would be greatly appreciated. John Wallace

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Hi John- The N.Fork American is a neat river. As you found out, there are some nice smallies out of Colfax. In the fall and early summer you’ll find rainbows and browns up and down the system as far as Lake Clementine. As the water warms the trout move upstream, into the springs, or into the deeper waters of the lake.      To get into consistant (small but plentiful) summer trout you’ll have to hike in at one of the trails near Royal Gorge or get permission to access the river at The Cedars just south of Donner Summit (drive down the dirt rd past Serene Lakes and ask at one of the cabins.    The timber rattle snake you saw is really a north pacific rattler. They do bite but generally go out of their way to avoid you. Don’t bother ‘em, they belong here (the browns and smallmouth don’t!).    Wild waters, Ralph Cutter —

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I will be taking a two week trip to the yukon canoeing down the Yukon river this summer and would like to know if anyone has done this before. I would like to fish for grayling, artic char etc and would appreciate hearing from anyone what flies & methods i should use. If anyone has done this trip fishing or not, please drop me a line

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My Name: My, this reminds me of an incident that I wittnessed while I was stationed at Galena Air Force Station in 1963/64.  Galena is located on the banks of the Yukon river in central Alaska. I and some friends were drinking beer and cooking hamburgers/hotdogs one afternoon when we spied a canoe pulling up to shore where we were. As soon as the canoe was pulled up on shore the two occupants split at a trot in different directions without saying a word to us or each other. We got a good laugh out of this and continued eating and drinking. The next day I talked with one of the canoeists and he said that they had seen so much of each other and hardly no one else that they were ready to pitch in and fight each other and had been at each other’s throat for a while.  I guess they finally settled their differences as they left a day or two later in the canoe and together. The feude undoubtly arose out of the ever present bowman/sternman dispute. The bowman can’t pick a route and the sternman can’t steer. So don’t ( as they say in the Eastern Shore of Delaware ) "fall into a fight" with your partner. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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