The weather has finally warmed, water temps are up, ospreys are feeding chicks, bass are close in, panfish are feeding, the lake and river are full of gators vying for mates. On the beaches the salts are moving in close, sharks are biting, herons are stalking the water again with purpose. Starlings and robins have moved through. All is green (though dry) with the smell of magnolias, honeysuckle , confederate jasmine and citrus blossoms. In the cool damp mornings I wonder how anyone could live without the soothing of the senses in the south. Now if we could just get some rain paradise would be revived. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.
John, as much as I disliked my short residence in Orlando, you write of all the things I DID love about being there. Nothing like my little weekend jaunts into the swamps around Hunters Creek for bluegill, bass, gator dodging, wildlife watching, solitude, silence….or the occasional drive to Canaveral Seashore for a little surf fishing with a fly. Ohhhhh, sweet memories…. Bruce Thomsen
I usually take to wearing a Blaze Orange hat during this time of year. I haven’t been shot at while fishing but did have a "road hunter" clip a branch off over my head when I walked out of our hunting cabin after lunch many years back. Anyway, as Walt pointed out, tis a grand season to be afield with the wee trouties my lads! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!
You must simply declare "I am not an elk" as loudly as possible on 1 minute intervals. — Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.
That would likely draw fire in your direction! — Opie **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**
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I usually take to wearing a Blaze Orange hat during this time of year. I haven’t been shot at while fishing but did have a "road hunter" clip a branch off over my head when I walked out of our hunting cabin after lunch many years back. Anyway, as Walt pointed out, tis a grand season to be afield with the wee trouties my lads! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!
Nor is it safe to hang laundry. A woman was shot dead by a hunter while hanging her wash. The hunter got off because she was wearing white gloves. In other words – she was a whitetail deer and she should have known better. God save us from idiots with guns and apologist courts. Peter
This may not work, everybody is dear to someone. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You must simply declare "I am not an elk" as loudly as possible on 1 minute intervals. — Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.
You must simply declare "I am not an elk" as loudly as possible on 1 minute intervals.
Which, if you are dealing with a true bonehead, merely convinces them that you must be whitetail. 
Jon
You must simply declare "I am not an elk" as loudly as possible on 1 minute intervals.
Isn’t this what PETA does? — Charlie…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is best to wear blaze orange during hunting season, whether you are huntin’ or fishin’, or just walking in the woods. That goes for turkey season as well. If a person is shot in the woods during hunting season, it is there own fault, [if] they weren’t wearin’ blaze orange Gotta disagree. It is absolutely 100% the hunter’s fault. If you can’t 100% positively identify what you are shooting at, you don’t shoot. That said, I’ve come close to being shot multiple times by butthead (usually drunk) hunters shooting at anything that moves… and I was wearing blaze orange too. Reason # 400 why I don’t hunt anymore. - Ken — "A wedding is just like a funeral except that you get to smell your own flowers." – Grace Hansen
A few years ago, fishing Penfield Reef for stripers. Two guys come out with shotguns, one of them wades out a ways to start setting up decoys. Some duck come flying by, his buddy starts shooting over his head. I moseyed. Told my friend further down the reef that if this guy would shoot over his friends head, he wouldn’t think twice about my safety. Got my biggest bass on a fly (up to that time). All in all a memorable day. — David Burnside "I’d like to dedicate this song to the girl in the third row with the yellow underwear." Jimi Hendrix Before you buy.
Wearing orange isnt compulsary here,..in fact many idiots tend to wear camo. Times to stay out of the bush is during the roar and long weekends.Not only will the stags find you interesting when you pee, but the once a year hunters come out in force. Pretty rotten when you have tramped 5 hours to a favourite spot then find a helicopter with idiots right there. I have never noticed this personally but have had the occasional riverside arguement about it, is the colour of your clothing. Am I right in thinking in doesnt really matter to trout? Or the trout dont find me a threat,…they most know me 
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IMHO it makes no difference whether you wear orange or camo when fishing. Fish will see you no matter what you wear. The trick is to stay out of their line of site 
As for the bush, I much prefer wearing orange and missing the occasional shot(which might or might not be attributed to the colour of my clothing) than stand the chance of being popped off by some weekend warrior. Terry
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Excuse me, but are you saying that hunters (where you are; where is that by the way?) DON’T have to wear hunter’s orange and can access an area by air and get out and hunt? Both of those are illegal here. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022
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Excuse me, but are you saying that hunters (where you are; where is that by the way?) DON’T have to wear hunter’s orange and can access an area by air and get out and hunt? Both of those are illegal here.
From the address I’d guess New Zealand. I heard Tommy Suharto has a big place there where you can hunt pretty much anything for a price. — Charlie…
I figured it had to be somewhere far from here. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me, but are you saying that hunters (where you are; where is that by the way?) DON’T have to wear hunter’s orange and can access an area by air and get out and hunt? Both of those are illegal here. From the address I’d guess New Zealand. I heard Tommy Suharto has a big place there where you can hunt pretty much anything for a price. — Charlie…
Excuse me, but are you saying that hunters (where you are; where is that by the way?) DON’T have to wear hunter’s orange and can access an area by air and get out and hunt? Both of those are illegal here. From the address I’d guess New Zealand. I heard Tommy Suharto has a big place there where you can hunt pretty much anything for a price.
Wouldn’t happen to know if Britney Spears, Mr. Suharto, or Esox are on the pricelist, wouldja? Wolfgang rethinking the recently stated position on hunting
Wouldn’t happen to know if Britney Spears, Mr. Suharto, or Esox are on the pricelist, wouldja?
Special order, I think. — Charlie…
I’m in South Africa and you can hunt in psychadelic pink if you like<g All you require is a twenty buck permit issued annually. You can only hunt in certain areas, but how you do it is entirely up to you. That, by the way excludes endangered species such as Rhino, for which you need a special permit. Most hunting is done on private land and the land owners generally make up there own rules. Terry Ps Hunting is not nearly as big here as in the States. Most of the serious hunting is in fact done in Namibia.
I rolled out of bed early, eager to begin a foray in search of wild mountain fish. After dealing with the overnight e-mail, I headed out to my favorite stream, Wilson’s Creek. I inserted Bing Crosby and Satchmo’s "Gone Fishin’" into the cd player and repeated it 4 or 5 times on the drive over Grandfather mountain down to the dirt road that would lead me to Wilsons. As I was driving down the road I began to realize I was heading into a killing zone. There were pickups parked everywhere…. deer hunters afield…. all in search of that last buck of the season. I turned off onto the old forest road that would lead me to the stretch of Wilsons I wanted to fish without much hope. Cool…. no trucks. I dressed out and rigged up and slid down the bank into Wilsons, spooking a little fish on the way in. I moved past his pool up to the next pool and was pleasantly surprised when a 10 inch brown nailed my adams parachute. I quickly released him and moved up the boulders to the next pool and was similarily rewarded. Way Cool… this is gonna be a good day. As I climbed the next boulder steppe, low and behold, all decked out in flourescent orange, is a hunter heading downstream my way. I snipped off my fly and waited for him, the fishing done. He told me that his friends had dropped him off at the top (2 miles above me) and were gonna pick him up later where I had parked. I asked him if he had seen any deer and he replied not a one….. I also noticed that he was very wet and dirty…. no doubt from hiking down Wilsons in rubber sole boots….. kinda made my day. Well, since the fish were down and I was obviously heading into a dangerous area without that cool orange vest and hat, I decided to book on out and find a place to fish where I had at least a 50/50 chance of survival. I drove up and over a few ridges to a high elevation small stream I fish on occasion, pretty sure there wouldn’t be any hunters there. I arrived on stream after a short hike and noticed the water, as with all streams in the area, was crystal clear and low and that there was ice and snow still abundant where the sun’s light couldn’t reach it. I started up and landed a few small browns and missed a few more. I arrived at one of Matt McCrayfish’s favorite pools and sat down and had a smoke…. contemplating how best to fish this pool. I tied on a fresh adams parachute, size 18, on 6x. I casted to the tail and hooked what I like to refer to as the guard fish…. the dang fish that will spook and run helter-skelter throughout the pool putting down all the bigger fish an in instant. I released him downstream and was primed for some more. I ended up with three more nice fish, one at a little over a foot. All browns. I decided to quit for the day shortly afterwords….. as I slid about 10′ down a icy boulder back into the pool <g Opie, I hope you got yer buck today… I know you’ve been trying. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html
Nice story snipped, but…. Meanwhile, over on rec.hunting, Sam "Bubo" Summer writes, "I had the biggest buck of my life in my crosshairs, when all of a sudden, a sound such as can only be imagined spooks every critter on the East Coast. For an instant, I was frozen, thinking what horrible creature might make such a noise, when I was shocked, relieved, and amused to hear fragments of speech with such words as "sonofabitch," "freezing." "neuticles off." As the hunting was shot, I decided to pack it in and headed down. I was surprised to run into a dripping wet dude in rubber pants full of water, some weird fishing pole in hand, using a dead duck’s assfeathers for bait. These curious city dudes are a loopy group…." Glad you made it through the gauntlet alive, Walt. <G TC, R "You shore got a purdy mouth, thar, boy…" I decided to quit for the day shortly afterwords….. as I slid about 10′ down a icy boulder back into the pool <g
After which other words besides what Sam heard? <g – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Opie, I hope you got yer buck today… I know you’ve been trying. –Walt
Gotta disagree. It is absolutely 100% the hunter’s fault. If you can’t 100% positively identify what you are shooting at, you don’t shoot. That said, I’ve come close to being shot multiple times by butthead (usually drunk) hunters shooting at anything that moves… and I was wearing blaze orange too. Reason # 400 why I don’t hunt anymore.
Had a surprising (and very minor) related incident just this afternoon. I was in the woods behind my inlaws house cutting some firewood with two BILs and #1 son. With the roar of chainsaws and concentration on what I was doing, I didn’t notice the two young hunters walk into our area. The were unarmed, but decked out in lots of orange. The oldest wasn’t far beyond teenage, and the kid looked to be about twelve. They had just stopped by out of courtesy to let us know they were in the area "over there". No problem, thanks. Not being a hunter myself, it’s easy to stereotype the lot of ‘em as drunken buttheads (especially in my area). It was great to see this level of courtesy & responsibility out of a couple "youngsters". Joe F.
Agree wholeheartedly with everything you say in this post, just disagreed with "If a person is shot in the woods during hunting season, it is there own fault". Blaze orange or no blaze orange it’s the hunter’s fault….not that it matters much to the shot person. - Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mine was not to assert that it was really one fault, but that the chances are much greater that one will be seen if they are wearing blaze orange. While it may be true that pedestrians have the right-of-way, it is just common sense to be observant of objects of great weigh and size, traveling at high speeds. One may take comfort in knowing they were in the right, but death or sever injury is rarely a comfortable lifestyle. "My fault, your fault, it don’t matter. Either way the boy dies." (Some John Wayne movie) Opie **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** It is best to wear blaze orange during hunting season, whether you are huntin’ or fishin’, or just walking in the woods. That goes for turkey season as well. If a person is shot in the woods during hunting season, it is there own fault, [if] they weren’t wearin’ blaze orange Gotta disagree. It is absolutely 100% the hunter’s fault. If you can’t 100% positively identify what you are shooting at, you don’t shoot. That said, I’ve come close to being shot multiple times by butthead (usually drunk) hunters shooting at anything that moves… and I was wearing blaze orange too. Reason # 400 why I don’t hunt anymore. - Ken
– "A wedding is just like a funeral except that you get to smell your own flowers." – Grace Hansen
Mine was not to assert that it was really one fault, but that the chances are much greater that one will be seen if they are wearing blaze orange. While it may be true that pedestrians have the right-of-way, it is just common sense to be observant of objects of great weigh and size, traveling at high speeds. One may take comfort in knowing they were in the right, but death or sever injury is rarely a comfortable lifestyle. "My fault, your fault, it don’t matter. Either way the boy dies." (Some John Wayne movie) Opie **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is best to wear blaze orange during hunting season, whether you are huntin’ or fishin’, or just walking in the woods. That goes for turkey season as well. If a person is shot in the woods during hunting season, it is there own fault, [if] they weren’t wearin’ blaze orange Gotta disagree. It is absolutely 100% the hunter’s fault. If you can’t 100% positively identify what you are shooting at, you don’t shoot. That said, I’ve come close to being shot multiple times by butthead (usually drunk) hunters shooting at anything that moves… and I was wearing blaze orange too. Reason # 400 why I don’t hunt anymore. - Ken — "A wedding is just like a funeral except that you get to smell your own flowers." – Grace Hansen
It is best to wear blaze orange during hunting season, whether you are huntin’ or fishin’, or just walking in the woods. That goes for turkey season as well. If a person is shot in the woods during hunting season, it is there own fault, [if] they weren’t wearin’ blaze orange
Gotta disagree. It is absolutely 100% the hunter’s fault. If you can’t 100% positively identify what you are shooting at, you don’t shoot. That said, I’ve come close to being shot multiple times by butthead (usually drunk) hunters shooting at anything that moves… and I was wearing blaze orange too. Reason # 400 why I don’t hunt anymore. - Ken — "A wedding is just like a funeral except that you get to smell your own flowers." – Grace Hansen
Nope no buck, no doe. Such is life. I’ve only been hunting seriously the last two years, and am 0-2. It is best to wear blaze orange during hunting season, whether you are huntin’ or fishin’, or just walking in the woods. That goes for turkey season as well. If a person is shot in the woods during hunting season, it is there own fault, they weren’t wearin’ blaze orange, unless of course it was a hit. In that case blaze orange only alerts the assassin to his target. Opie **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I rolled out of bed early, eager to begin a foray in search of wild mountain fish. After dealing with the overnight e-mail, I headed out to my favorite stream, Wilson’s Creek. I inserted Bing Crosby and Satchmo’s "Gone Fishin’" into the cd player and repeated it 4 or 5 times on the drive over Grandfather mountain down to the dirt road that would lead me to Wilsons. As I was driving down the road I began to realize I was heading into a killing zone. There were pickups parked everywhere…. deer hunters afield…. all in search of that last buck of the season. I turned off onto the old forest road that would lead me to the stretch of Wilsons I wanted to fish without much hope. Cool…. no trucks. I dressed out and rigged up and slid down the bank into Wilsons, spooking a little fish on the way in. I moved past his pool up to the next pool and was pleasantly surprised when a 10 inch brown nailed my adams parachute. I quickly released him and moved up the boulders to the next pool and was similarily rewarded. Way Cool… this is gonna be a good day. As I climbed the next boulder steppe, low and behold, all decked out in flourescent orange, is a hunter heading downstream my way. I snipped off my fly and waited for him, the fishing done. He told me that his friends had dropped him off at the top (2 miles above me) and were gonna pick him up later where I had parked. I asked him if he had seen any deer and he replied not a one….. I also noticed that he was very wet and dirty…. no doubt from hiking down Wilsons in rubber sole boots….. kinda made my day. Well, since the fish were down and I was obviously heading into a dangerous area without that cool orange vest and hat, I decided to book on out and find a place to fish where I had at least a 50/50 chance of survival. I drove up and over a few ridges to a high elevation small stream I fish on occasion, pretty sure there wouldn’t be any hunters there. I arrived on stream after a short hike and noticed the water, as with all streams in the area, was crystal clear and low and that there was ice and snow still abundant where the sun’s light couldn’t reach it. I started up and landed a few small browns and missed a few more. I arrived at one of Matt McCrayfish’s favorite pools and sat down and had a smoke…. contemplating how best to fish this pool. I tied on a fresh adams parachute, size 18, on 6x. I casted to the tail and hooked what I like to refer to as the guard fish…. the dang fish that will spook and run helter-skelter throughout the pool putting down all the bigger fish an in instant. I released him downstream and was primed for some more. I ended up with three more nice fish, one at a little over a foot. All browns. I decided to quit for the day shortly afterwords….. as I slid about 10′ down a icy boulder back into the pool <g Opie, I hope you got yer buck today… I know you’ve been trying. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html
I don’t like fishing during deer hunting either. I fish in a river on a game preserve during hunting season. Ernie
I rolled out of bed early, eager to begin a foray in search of wild mountain fish. After dealing with the overnight e-mail, I headed out to my favorite stream, Wilson’s Creek. I inserted Bing Crosby and Satchmo’s "Gone Fishin’" into the cd player and repeated it 4 or 5 times on the drive over Grandfather mountain down to the dirt road that would lead me to Wilsons.
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So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so!
Allan, that’s extremely nice of you and I assume that most people will take you at your word. Don’t be suprised, though, if a few people are skeptical because (1) your subject line is in all capital letters, (2) unless I’m mistaken, you haven’t posted much if at all on this newsgroup in the past, and (3) the phraseology of your post sounds a bit like one of those "too good to be true" sales pitches. Unfortunately, the combination of these three things gives your post the flavor of SPAM. I hope that’s not the case. One litmus test of whether or not someone has solely commercial interests in participating in this newsgroup is a simple examination of his or her posting habits. That said, I hope you’ll make a habit of sharing your fly tying insight with us. So here’s your first question… I’ve considered starting fly tying but can never quite justify it in my mind since I’m not sure it’s something I would enjoy. Here’s what I’d probably tie: parachute Adams, EHC, very small pheasant tail nymphs with and without bead, orange and yellow stimulators, foam beetles, yellow humpies, winged red ants, black gnats, tiny cream midges, even tinier griffiths gnats, and assorted woolly buggers. Is there one vise I can buy that will allow me to tie these flies? How much would I have to spend on supplies and materials to be able to tie these flies? –Steve
This group appears only to be interested in advice coupled with at least a modicum of bullshit. So basically, no bullshit, no dice. The group exists for exchanging information ( and bullshit), so that everybody can participate. What is the point of going to e-mail ? If ROFF can not answer your questions, we will do it anyway. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..
<< So here’s your first question… I’ve considered starting fly tying but can never quite justify it in my mind since I’m not sure it’s something I would enjoy. Here’s what I’d probably tie: parachute Adams, EHC, very small pheasant tail nymphs with and without bead, orange and yellow stimulators, foam beetles, yellow humpies, winged red ants, black gnats, tiny cream midges, even tinier griffiths gnats, and assorted woolly buggers. Is there one vise I can buy that will allow me to tie these flies? How much would I have to spend on supplies and materials to be able to tie these flies? –Steve Very nice. And can he field strip an M50, blindfolded? GKT
Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..
great to have you back, connelly…but there’s no need for that false name and addy! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. great to have you back, connelly…but there’s no need for that false name and addy! wayno
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Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..
Should it be legal to patent or trademark a pattern ? Thanks man, — Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.
Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. Should it be legal to patent or trademark a pattern ?
I don’t see why not. Might be hard to enforce, though. If you determine the genetic sequence of a natrual insect you can patent it under fairly broad conditions. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Allan, Your offer is appreciated by the members of ROFF, and are you also willing to share the price of your flies? Ernie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan
Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s..
Without ANY b.s. ? Boy, are you ever in the wrong newsgroup. Just kiddin’ Allan, but it would be more appropriate to just chime in here on the newsgroup for all to read when you have something to contribute rather than popping in here unannounced and soliciting private email. — Ken Fortenberry
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan
Thanks Allan, I have a question or two….. questions that concern legitimacy. To the best of my recollection, this is your first message to this august body. Hence, my natural-borne skepticism. Are questions to be posted here at ROFF where you will answer them here publically at ROFF? Or do you prefer that questions be sent to you via e-mail? If the latter, what is your privacy policy concerning the security of e-mail addresses of questionaires? Since you mentioned that you had no affilition with fly shops, etc., but failed to mention that you had *no* affiliation with internet marketeers, I ask these hard questions not to dissuade your altruism, but to clarify your position concerning the privacy of ROFFians who visit this newsgroup, and who, unwittingly, may fall prey to the tentacles of ever-present address collectors who share or sell their lists to spammers. My questions are not posed nor meant to demean your knowledge and your apparent willingness to share that knowledge. That is commendable. *But*, please excuse my skepticism…. we’ve seen these types of posts before. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html
Do you have a fly tying question? I don’t have all the answers but, what I do know, I’m willing to share without any b.s.. After 40 years of fly tying (probably over 50,000 flies) mostly for trout up here in the n.e. (Catskills), fly fishing and reading all that I can get my hands on I think I’ve learned some things that may help you find solutions to your fly tying and maybe fly fishing problems. So before you spend big $$s on tying technique books, ‘a kit’, materials you don’t know, vises, new gizmos, threads, hooks, gear, etc. contact me. There’s NO charge, NO fee. Just sound FREE advice from someone who has no affiliation to any manufacturer, catalog company, fly shop or publisher. And, if I can’t answer your question, I’ll say so! Tight Wraps Allan
You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters: I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley. "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops. I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it. Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it. I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb. Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have. After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon. They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards. When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction. (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…) I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something. Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300. Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters: If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites. Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity. Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me. In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight. He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin
Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous. Hell just cut your thumb off the next time. Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin
Seems that way, doesn’t it? But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size. Here’s the real kicker: No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory. The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in. Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share. (I remember hearing the nurse saying, "Well, what exactly is your plan if you get a snakebite patient, anyway?" Apparently the plan is to get you stabilized and put you on a one-way chopper to somewhere else.) Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous. Hell just cut your thumb off the next time. Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin
Seems that way, doesn’t it? But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size. Here’s the real kicker: No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory. The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in. Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share. (I remember
Count yourself luck that you didn’t lose your thumb. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous. Hell just cut your thumb off the next time. Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin
My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well. Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous. Hell just cut your thumb off the next time. Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin
It’s a horrible disease, with a horrible treatment. Where was this Harry? Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well. Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous. Hell just cut your thumb off the next time. Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin
Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all? Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters: I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley. "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops. I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it. Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it. I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb. Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have. After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon. They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards. When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction. (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…) I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something. Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300. Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters: If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites. Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity. Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me. In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight. He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin
don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4
Damn! Convinced me! I’m taking that off my to do list right away.<G
The Idaho pan handle in the mid eighties, I mailed him for the specifics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where was this Harry? Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid.
don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son
What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff
Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all?
Some people would do anything to win–a Darwin award. :=) Bill
This has changed then. In 69 when I was bitten the treatment consisted of one injection per day for 14 days.I am now only required to get a booster if bitten by an animal considered rabid. — Don Thompson Zoomie(BushBug) ACA#3460 TLCB#335 Any Time, Any Place Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous. Hell just cut your thumb off the next time. Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin
he got scratched by a racoon that was ~suspected~ of being rabit. The racoon was in the process of killing his easter chicken. Caution being the better part of valor and rabies being rampant in racoons in New England now, he got shots. He didn’t like it. The insurance company didn’t like it, I didn’t care for what was left over either but I’m glad he’s still about. Flyfish
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff
This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it. Seems as if you earned your just reward. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it. Seems as if you earned your just reward.
Sounds like the bug up your ass is biting you. I won’t hazard a guess as to whether you deserve it or not. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."
This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.
From something I read once, the statistics are markedly different by gender. It seems that it’s mostly men who insist on picking them up and get bit on the hands & arms. Most snake bites on women are on the feet & legs. Joe F.
Snake Venom… Chlorine for the gene pool
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it. Seems as if you earned your just reward.
My only intent to night was to show that there are no enforceable rules, and that there is a great deal of hypocrisy within this newsgroup. No, I am not stating that all posters to this group are hypocrites. But, it seems that the rules don’t apply to all here. How is one to know where the line is drawn, if one person posts an e-mail excerpt and is chastised, but another is not. I believe that there were e-mail conversations with Mr. G which were posted to this group in the past, where were the indignant calls for netiquette then? I was not attacking Walt, I was merely stating that it was possible that someone would. I would not have sent a nasty reply to your reply, but you chose to take my original post as a personal affront. "Surly" is hardly a vicious term. Hell, some might well accept the term as a badge of honor. You stated in your reply to my post that: "Someone with no knowledge of computers or usenet is not capable of programming the sort of stuff contained in those posts." However, in your very polite reply to NAMROF you state: "You may be right Levi. I did a little checking on the web.tv thing, apparently not much knowledge of anything at all is required to put all that stuff in a post, most of the havoc caused on my machine was apparently because the browser was initiated in order to download "attachments" required for all the "bells and whistles", and this initiated an automatic dial-up, which is impossible to stop, and which in turn started some other program, and crashed my machine after whirring about on the hard drive for a while. I really did think I had got some sort of virus or other, and was very annoyed and worried indeed." I will continue in this vein as long as I see fit. Opie in NC Someone has to replace Mr. G — Mark H. Bowen Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. –Samuel Johnson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are just trying to provoke some sort of reaction with this stuff apparently. This guy has been trying to flog this damn book for a coons age on here and elsewhere, along with several others if I recall correctly. Nobody has complained or slammed him, just a few harmless comments were made. The information contained in the posts was accurate and contained no personal animosity or uncivil remarks. I collect fishing books, and toyed with the idea of buying this one, which is why I happened to have some quotes and prices on it, and why I was informed as to the subject matter. I have seen this book advertised by various people, and signed by various people, at prices ranging from less than 20$ up to over 100$, I do not doubt for one second that a bookseller would be able to get hold of it for less. Having now seen several excerpts, it is apparently no great shakes anyway, unless one is particularly interested in the history of that area and family as regards fly-dressing. The information Walt gave was valuable to anybody who might have been considering buying it. When somebody then comes along and calls Walt a liar, specifically with regard to a post on ROFF, what do you expect him to do ? Who knows what occurs per e-mail ? Walt
Take a look at my website, then link to "Freshwater Fishing" – then scroll down to "Northwest Fishing Guides" – that is if you are interested in huge Steelhead… There are also listings for other outfitters, guides, packages etc. there. Mo — For Free BC & Western Canada Information, visit http://www.cow-net.com/modrew/index – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty
Geez, the possibilities are endless, there’s tons of places here in BC wirh Car access, not too many people (during the week anyway) where you can get, in this order: 1. Lots of rainbows and other trout in general, if size is not important. 2. A few big trout 3. Many big trout. And the catch is that each choice requires an increasing number of miles on logging roads and costs for lodges and or flying in. Check out some of the fishing websites like www.anglingbc.com which have links to other areas. Lakes or rivers depending on the timing can be spectacular – just after ice-off in May up in rhe Kamloops/Merritt area can be a good time, late June/July long weekend on some of the interior rivers like the Clearwater, Mahood, Horsefly etc when the big sedges come off, Rainbow Alley on the Babine, Stuart, Blackwater…the Adams, Little, Shuswap when the sockeye fry are coming out…Timing is everything, you will need to define a specific time of visit, then plan what destinations are best at that secific time. Nothing, noplace is spectacular for more than a week or so depending on time of year and environmental factors. Cheers, G.McD.
well as far as few people is concerned I dont know about that the secret is out about the Bow River and south of us the Crowsnest pass but if you type in on your computer bow river you will find some experienced guides and stores here .. Bow River troutfitters.. Fish Tales and Jim Mclenans is co owner of Country Pleasures and has writtten several books on fishing in Alberta and the southern part of the province.. I would say contact any one of these shops here in the Calgary area when you come by and you will not be disappointed! Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty
I have fished the Stellako for the past 7 years. Some of the best catch and release rainbow I have ever had. Compares favourably to the San Juan just below the dam. Use stimulators and then caddis in the late evening. Stay at Stellako River Lodge on the bank. Best time, depending on weather ( read hatch) is usually June 15 to July 15. Regards from Montreal John Brkich
Try Lake Diefinbaker in Saskatchwan, Big fish Big lake Trout, Pike, Walleye, all on flys I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty
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Marty, Have a look here…http://www.douglaslake.com/index.html Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty
If you want to fish for large, fat Redside rainbows in Mid-Late July, the try the Deschutes River in central Oregon. There are about 25 small mountain streams, lakes and rivers in a 75 mile or so radius from this. You could spend easily a week going to several places. Main fishing on the Deschutes would be during the large stonefly (2"-3" pteronacys (sp) Californica), fish run 2-3 lbs average. Lots of places to go, as well as lots of guides to take you to sweet spots. Just MTCW. RRW
The San Juan in New Mexico holds a special place in this angler’s heart. Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty
I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip in May, June or July for Rainbows and am looking for some input on where to go. Our requirements, hopefully are as follows: Anywhere drivable in the west, including BC, Wash, Ore, Mont, etc The best possible fishing on the fly for good sized fish As few people around as possible A several day float trip would be ok Lake or River ok Expense not a great problem, will pay for a guide, etc if necessary Would appreciate any input. Thanks Marty
oh, hell, that’s easy: just contact rick flet…NO! RICK! DON!T SHOO…(BANG!!!…thud!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Now, what did you expect making a comment like that n a jeep ng…. What a weenie…
Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing".
You don’t understand its a Jeep thing. — Its a Jeep thing..You would’t understand. URL: http://the-threshold.org/gallery/jeep OR Its an Anoraks thing.. You don’t want to understand URL: http://the-threshold.org/Anorak-Offroad
Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting… " What thing is it?" asks Jimmy. " It’s not ANYTHING," says the 4runner driver. "it’s just a damn car." —-Muskie
that was funny. Sorry guys and gals. I have to be a traitor on this one. I live in a college town. And here the average Jeep driver’s values and experiences have very little in line with me. Unless it’s clearly built or restored, it’s just another car. -ejs
Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". You don’t understand its a Jeep thing.
Is this anything like "alternative music" ? —
Wow! If it isn’t Muskie the Wonder Troll returning to haunt our newsgroups! Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!"
You still can’t get it right: "It’s a Jeep thing… you wouldn’t understand" is the phrase. Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". It seems many(not all) Jeepers want to belong to a group of rugged individualists. They feel that having a rugged Jeep sets them apart from the rest of society and makes them "different" somehow. What is this? Words like "belong" and "group" and "individualists" really seem to contradict each other don’t they? It seems many Jeepers want to be different, just like all the different people.
Those that I have seen who have actually bestowed the phrase on their vehicle are generally those who actually take the vehicles off-road, go camping, lead an active life style, toss on a trailer of jet-ski’s or dirt bikes and actually have a life. These people go to the Jeep Jamboree’s, the Trail Runs, etc. They are far from ’sheep’ though a few to many people who are following the Jones’s unfortunately do buy them instead of mock-SUV’s like the Explorer. Modems.. the lightning rods of the ’90’s! (sigh) Don’t bother to E-mail.. not using my account.
How much would an Old Man Emu lift cost on an 86 cherokee? I am looking for ball park estimates on the ~3" lift reviewed on off-road.com (i think). Also, are there web sources for Old Man Emu ordering? Thanks, jeremiah — 86 cherokee – soon to be a 3.4 L V6!!!!
Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!"
If your idiotic flame bait bothered me at all, you might be right… Motorcycles have the same cadre relationship. When you’re on a bike or a harley, almost *everybody* waves. It is no different, and I think anybody who buys a jeep or a bike only for the waves is going to be sorely disappointed. Besides, it IS a JEEP thing, and you CLEARLY DO NOT understand. at all… jeremiah — 86 cherokee – soon to be a 3.4 L V6!!!!
few to many people who are following the Jones’s unfortunately do buy them instead of mock-SUV’s like the Explorer.
I for one appreciate all the Yuppie’s buying new cherokees and TJs… I see it as fodder for myself in 5 or 6 years when I’ll be buying a used 99… just think of all those Yuppie jeeps as replacement parts. never seen the mud, never been bashed over rocks or seen any real duty. I think its just great. jeremiah — 86 cherokee – soon to be a 3.4 L V6!!!!
few to many people who are following the Jones’s unfortunately do buy them instead of mock-SUV’s like the Explorer. I for one appreciate all the Yuppie’s buying new cherokees and TJs… I see it as fodder for myself in 5 or 6 years when I’ll be buying a used 99… just think of all those Yuppie jeeps as replacement parts. never seen the mud, never been bashed over rocks or seen any real duty. I think its just great.
hehe, I must admit I never thought of it that way.. but I have thought of it as a way to keep the vehicles in production and to keep the prices somewhat down.. on the other hand the high demand has surged what should be an $18-22k vehicle up to nearly $40k.. almost a full half of which is profit for Chrysler. Modems.. the lightning rods of the ’90’s! (sigh) Don’t bother to E-mail.. not using my account.
HUH?! Where the hell is your point? Meanwhile, if you don’t understand – don’t bother trying. Obviously, you don’t own a Jeep, so there’s your first obstacle. The next is being a brand-loyal four-wheeler, where everybody who doesn’t drive you’re particular make of vehicle is pond-scum. And finally, you’re a little dissatisfied with whatever make of vehicle you’re driving (and a little envious of a Jeep) to take issue with something you don’t or want to understand. Get a life. I do think that we, as four-wheelers, need to recognize all makes and models as brethren and form an even larger following with a much more accurate motto: "It’s a 4×4 thing…you asphalt-bound grocery-getters certainly wouldn’t understand." Anybody with a purpose-built, fill-tilt-boogie off road rig (no matter what it is) gets a wave and nod-of-approval from me. Until then, it’s just us Jeepers… Eric ‘80 CJ-7 – 4" Pro Comp, 33×15.50 Swampers, and way too many other things to mention, ‘85 Nissan King Cab 4×4 – 31×10.50 AT’s, no lift, gets me to work and pulls the boat. — Opinions, everybody’s got one of those, too. You know how to Reply…
Muskie, Just when we thought Mr. Troll himself had finally gone away it slithers back in… I have a jeep because I always wanted one and I could care less who else has one. The jeep wave is a tradition, not really a club thing. I know, you don’t get it. What does "It’s a jeep thing" mean? It’s a diverse cultural association. I think you exemplify a jeep cultural disassociation when you wrote "it’s just a d*** car." That’s the difference. I doubt you’re bright enough to figure it out though. Don To avoid a flame war I must add. I am biased to jeeps but there are other manufacturers that build excellent vehicles. This retort is aimed specifically at Muskie and not other vehicle afficianados. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". It seems many(not all) Jeepers want to belong to a group of rugged individualists. They feel that having a rugged Jeep sets them apart from the rest of society and makes them "different" somehow. What is this? Words like "belong" and "group" and "individualists" really seem to contradict each other don’t they? It seems many Jeepers want to be different, just like all the different people. <really long boring story snipped Meanwhile, Jimmy is on a nearby forest road, about to park at a turnoff near a fishing stream. Jimmy drives a Chevy 4×4 full size. He parks his rig and takes his 6 foot fly rod case out of the bed, and unloads his gear. A man in a toyota 4runner drives by and waves. The man in the 4runner turns around to talk to the man about the fishing. " How do you like the full size chevy?" asks the 4runner driver. " I like it just fine". Jimmy responds. " how do you like your 4runner?" asks jimmy. " I like it just fine", says the 4runner driver. " What thing is it?" asks Jimmy. " It’s not ANYTHING," says the 4runner driver. "it’s just a damn car." —-Muskie
Well, when I see somebody in a 90-96 300ZX I certainly wave… Alex
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No that would be a RAV4, CRV, etc… No one knows what the hell it is and what purpose it serves!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". You don’t understand its a Jeep thing. Is this anything like "alternative music" ? —
The only so called "jeepers" who really know what the "jeep thing" is, are the one’s who actually see the logic behind driving in the rain with a bikini and no doors as everyone looks at you thinking "you idiot, youre getting wet"! I’ll share that logic with you too……It’s FUN!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". It seems many(not all) Jeepers want to belong to a group of rugged individualists. They feel that having a rugged Jeep sets them apart from the rest of society and makes them "different" somehow. What is this? Words like "belong" and "group" and "individualists" really seem to contradict each other don’t they? It seems many Jeepers want to be different, just like all the different people. Here comes Barbi Anne, driving her new pink Jeep onto the gravel national forest road. Ken is heading her way in his new blue Jeep, and he waves the "jeep wave" to Barbi. Barbi waves back, smiling and giggling. "I really belong" , thinks Barbi. " I really belong to a group of people that like me for my automobile purchase. I feel really good about that." Barbi Anne smiles a faint smile and continues down the road. A few seconds later, Outback Johnny passes Barbi Anne in his new green Jeep, and waves. Barbi Anne waves back. Continuing down the road, Barbi Anne responds to 34 waves from Jeepers. " It’s a Jeep thing!" they all yell at her. " It’s a Jeep thing!" Further down the road, Barbi Anne’s progress is temporarily halted by a herd of sheep crossing the road to greener pastures. She listens to their bleating and babbling, and observes how they all huddle together. "baaaaa…..baaaaaaaaa…bleeeeeeeet…….baaaaaaaaa". The sheep huddle even closer across the road. " baaaaaaaa…its a jeep thing….. ……bleeeeeettttt." The sheep babble even louder, then slowly pass over a low hill on the horizon. Barbi Anne drives her Jeep down the road, glad that she was pressured by friends to belong to the "Jeep Thing". Meanwhile, Jimmy is on a nearby forest road, about to park at a turnoff near a fishing stream. Jimmy drives a Chevy 4×4 full size. He parks his rig and takes his 6 foot fly rod case out of the bed, and unloads his gear. A man in a toyota 4runner drives by and waves. The man in the 4runner turns around to talk to the man about the fishing. " How do you like the full size chevy?" asks the 4runner driver. " I like it just fine". Jimmy responds. " how do you like your 4runner?" asks jimmy. " I like it just fine", says the 4runner driver. " What thing is it?" asks Jimmy. " It’s not ANYTHING," says the 4runner driver. "it’s just a damn car." —-Muskie
Wow, I guess you don’t understand. I for one have always loved the Wrangler, and I just bought my 98 TJ in June(having no knowledge of the "Jeep Thing" or the waves I would get from fellow Jeepers) I actually had to ask a friend who owns a YJ about the wave….he told me H wasn’t sure about it either. As soon as I hit 1500 miles, I was off the pavement, with the top and the door removed. I have no problem with any brand of 4X4, although I like some less than others But honestly, I have never seen another group of drivers as friendly with those they don’t know or as willing to help out when someone needs it. I’ve taken my stock(so far) jeep a few places a little above the level I should, and the one time I got stuck, I was still amazed how well it did. Ok, no more rambling…..I’m sure you’re sick of me by now
I had a jeep and I loved it thy are good for mud raceing and for what ever ** HAVE A NICE DAY LARRY & KAREN **
The jeeps I drove for many years were OD, that’s a different thing. The only thing now is Jeeps have become another temporary fad for the brtaibnless yuppies. This too soon will pass and jeeps will go back to being driven by real people who like them for what they are instead of a phoney status symbol. I can wait. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". It seems many(not all) Jeepers want to belong to a group of rugged individualists. They feel that having a rugged Jeep sets them apart from the rest of society and makes them "different" somehow. What is this? Words like "belong" and "group" and "individualists" really seem to contradict each other don’t they? It seems many Jeepers want to be different, just like all the different people. Here comes Barbi Anne, driving her new pink Jeep onto the gravel national forest road. Ken is heading her way in his new blue Jeep, and he waves the "jeep wave" to Barbi. Barbi waves back, smiling and giggling. "I really belong" , thinks Barbi. " I really belong to a group of people that like me for my automobile purchase. I feel really good about that." Barbi Anne smiles a faint smile and continues down the road. A few seconds later, Outback Johnny passes Barbi Anne in his new green Jeep, and waves. Barbi Anne waves back. Continuing down the road, Barbi Anne responds to 34 waves from Jeepers. " It’s a Jeep thing!" they all yell at her. " It’s a Jeep thing!" Further down the road, Barbi Anne’s progress is temporarily halted by a herd of sheep crossing the road to greener pastures. She listens to their bleating and babbling, and observes how they all huddle together. "baaaaa…..baaaaaaaaa…bleeeeeeeet…….baaaaaaaaa". The sheep huddle even closer across the road. " baaaaaaaa…its a jeep thing….. ……bleeeeeettttt." The sheep babble even louder, then slowly pass over a low hill on the horizon. Barbi Anne drives her Jeep down the road, glad that she was pressured by friends to belong to the "Jeep Thing". Meanwhile, Jimmy is on a nearby forest road, about to park at a turnoff near a fishing stream. Jimmy drives a Chevy 4×4 full size. He parks his rig and takes his 6 foot fly rod case out of the bed, and unloads his gear. A man in a toyota 4runner drives by and waves. The man in the 4runner turns around to talk to the man about the fishing. " How do you like the full size chevy?" asks the 4runner driver. " I like it just fine". Jimmy responds. " how do you like your 4runner?" asks jimmy. " I like it just fine", says the 4runner driver. " What thing is it?" asks Jimmy. " It’s not ANYTHING," says the 4runner driver. "it’s just a damn car." —-Muskie
few to many people who are following the Jones’s unfortunately do buy them instead of mock-SUV’s like the Explorer. I for one appreciate all the Yuppie’s buying new cherokees and TJs… I see it as fodder for myself in 5 or 6 years when I’ll be buying a used 99… just think of all those Yuppie jeeps as replacement parts. never seen the mud, never been bashed over rocks or seen any real duty. I think its just great.
I agree with this. The only problem is that it seems a number of the new Jeeps are automatics. Frankly, that’s sacrilege! — Cheers…Craig — Good manners and bad breath get you nowhere – Elvis Costello — It’s no use to blame the looking glass if your face is awry – S.J. Perelman — People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don’t realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world – Calvin (& Hobbes)
The only so called "jeepers" who really know what the "jeep thing" is, are the one’s who actually see the logic behind driving in the rain with a bikini and no doors as everyone looks at you thinking "you idiot, youre getting wet"! I’ll share that logic with you too……It’s FUN!!!
I often get asked if my Miata is a rental since I usually leave the top down unless it is absolutely pouring or I’m in stop/go traffic. Others don’t understand that Jeeps are waterproofed from the get-go, right down to a pair of drain holes in the floorboards! Ever wonder why most CJ and Wrangler variants didn’t even come with carpetting on the floors? Too bad it’s a hassle to take the doors off and front window down now.. (sigh) Modems.. the lightning rods of the ’90’s! (sigh) Don’t bother to E-mail.. not using my account.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only had my ‘90 YJ for about 2years but …….here’s my two cents….about the "Its a jeep thing" motto I was a Boy Scout growing up, did alot of camping every summer, I was taught to respect nature, be resourceful, prepared, efficient while also being simple and functional. IMHO jeeps fit in very smoothly w/ my yuppie who only buys a jeep for the "image", and never takes it off roading….what a waste….. I dont remember where I read it, but another jeep owner made the observation that when cruising down the road/trail jeep owners inevitably always nod/wave/check out each others jeep, but you hardly ever/never see other people check out each others Metro/Toyota/Caprice/whatever……Jeeps have a tradition and jeep owners who humbly acknowledge this are the coolest. People who live by the "Its a Jeep thing motto", stop to help others out, dont drive recklessly, etc…..I think I’ll quit my rambling now……
Thank you for stating so eloquently what a lot of us are all about! Btw, I’m lucky enough to be a member of two very distinct ‘families’, the Jeep Family (by way of a lightly modded ‘93 ZJ V8 which has nearly 1/3rd of it’s 62,000 miles off road!) and the Miata club which, at least in off-road deprived Florida, is the more active and certainly more friendly of the two. I also fall under the helping hand column. Heck, it was only Friday afternoon that I helped a poor lady push her out of gas car half a mile down the road to get it off of the worst part of the freeway. :) You’re right.. some people just don’t get it. Modems.. the lightning rods of the ’90’s! (sigh) Don’t bother to E-mail.. not using my account.
damn muskie that was good. i haven`t had such a good laugh in a long time . the thoughts of you playing on the floor with your barbie & ken dolls in jeeps cracked me up. could you entertain us with something about " its a 4×4 thing " or " its a harley thing " or maybe a tough one like " its a man thing " ? but please dont use your ken & barbie dolls again, i couldn`t stand the laughter. Jim
<excellent commentary snipped Some Jeep drivers understand that. Nothing against Toyotas or Chevys or any other vehicle or the people that driver them…it’s just a Jeep thing.
Here’s one hint: Why does everyone in a CRV, Rav-4, Tracker, Sidekick, Samurai, etc. always say "We’ll take my Jeep" but no one in a Jeep would ever say "We’ll take my CRV, etc."? There is only one Jeep. Modems.. the lightning rods of the ’90’s! (sigh) Don’t bother to E-mail.. not using my account.
"You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". It seems many(not all) Jeepers want to belong to a group of rugged individualists. They feel that having a rugged Jeep sets them apart from the rest of society and makes them "different" somehow. What is this? Words like "belong" and "group" and "individualists" really seem to contradict each other don’t they? It seems many Jeepers want to be different, just like all the different people.
No, it’s true that you don’t understand but that’s okay. The sheep that you’re referring to might be the demographic majority of Jeep drivers, but those are not the people who wave at each other and say "It’s a Jeep thing." The "Jeep thing" element, you might find, has more disdain for "sorority Jeeps," "college Jeeps," "soccer mom Jeeps," "street jeeps" and "yuppie Jeeps" than anybody. Some people like F-14s and others would rather ride a P-38 or a P-51. Some people don’t know what a P-38 is, but they’ve seen Top Gun so they think they’re aviation enthusiasts. There are those that want to belong to a group of rugged individualists, and there are those that just do. (I’ll be modest here as I can, but as a pilot, rock singer, writer, computer geek, civil war reenactor and active environmentalist, I might not be rugged but I’m individualist…) Jeep was the first word I learned to spell, and I promised by grandfather when I was three that I would buy him a Jeep. Image had nothing to do with it. My oldest toy, a 1960s Tonka Jeep CJ3B, sits on my desk at work. Raise your hand if you had an infatuation with Nissan when you were three. The thing is, if you go over to the Jeep newsgroup, you’ll see that I’m not an exception…I’m average. Probably less that average if you pay attention to the complexity of knowledge of their vehicle that some people there have. You’ll also notice their head spin to look when they see a Willys other other vintage Jeep. It has nothing to do with the driver. Don’t think about the guy behind the wheel…think of the Jeep. Regardless of the year, a Jeep stripped of its hard top and doors is a classic. If you’ve ever driven through the country, tackled an ominous "intermediate" 4×4 trail with a stock Jeep or even just cruised the highway with the top off on a sunny day, you understand. If you’ve ever pulled off the side of the road on an August evening and looked straight up at a meteor shower, you’re getting there. If you’ve ever yanked a built-up vehicle out of a mudhole or driven your stock Jeep around a 4×4 bogged down on a snow-covered hill, you’re there. Not to trash other 4×4s…I’ve seen old Landcruisers and a heavily-modified Samurai command respect where lesser drivers in Jeeps failed…but why drive a flimsy, overpriced derivative when you can drive the real thing? There’s just nothing like climbing up into an old CJ and staring down the short nose. It has the feel of an old warbird…the sound of the engine, the smell of the Jeep, the feeling that you’ve strapped on wheels. It’s not the fault of Jeep drivers that these sturdy classics appear to have gone soft, but while middle America drives around the suburb in the Jeep equivalent of a sports car, those of us die-hard Jeep fans who have driven the new TJs have come to appreciate that under the cloth and plastic interior there is still a bad-ass trail truck that isn’t laden down with mystery parts and strange devices that prevent us from getting under them and making our own modifications. Some Jeep drivers understand that. Nothing against Toyotas or Chevys or any other vehicle or the people that driver them…it’s just a Jeep thing. Chris Gattman | "..And the sky is humming,
I’ve only had my ‘90 YJ for about 2years but …….here’s my two cents….about the "Its a jeep thing" motto I was a Boy Scout growing up, did alot of camping every summer, I was taught to respect nature, be resourceful, prepared, efficient while also being simple and functional. IMHO jeeps fit in very smoothly w/ my yuppie who only buys a jeep for the "image", and never takes it off roading….what a waste….. I dont remember where I read it, but another jeep owner made the observation that when cruising down the road/trail jeep owners inevitably always nod/wave/check out each others jeep, but you hardly ever/never see other people check out each others Metro/Toyota/Caprice/whatever……Jeeps have a tradition and jeep owners who humbly acknowledge this are the coolest. People who live by the "Its a Jeep thing motto", stop to help others out, dont drive recklessly, etc…..I think I’ll quit my rambling now…… –jason
Lately, I hear many people who own Jeeps spouting out this phrase: "You wouldn’t understand man….it’s a Jeep thing!" Ok. I guess I don’t really get it. But I am starting to understand something about " the Jeep thing". It seems many(not all) Jeepers want to belong to a group of rugged individualists. They feel that having a rugged Jeep sets them apart from the rest of society and makes them "different" somehow. What is this? Words like "belong" and "group" and "individualists" really seem to contradict each other don’t they? It seems many Jeepers want to be different, just like all the different people. Here comes Barbi Anne, driving her new pink Jeep onto the gravel national forest road. Ken is heading her way in his new blue Jeep, and he waves the "jeep wave" to Barbi. Barbi waves back, smiling and giggling. "I really belong" , thinks Barbi. " I really belong to a group of people that like me for my automobile purchase. I feel really good about that." Barbi Anne smiles a faint smile and continues down the road. A few seconds later, Outback Johnny passes Barbi Anne in his new green Jeep, and waves. Barbi Anne waves back. Continuing down the road, Barbi Anne responds to 34 waves from Jeepers. " It’s a Jeep thing!" they all yell at her. " It’s a Jeep thing!" Further down the road, Barbi Anne’s progress is temporarily halted by a herd of sheep crossing the road to greener pastures. She listens to their bleating and babbling, and observes how they all huddle together. "baaaaa…..baaaaaaaaa…bleeeeeeeet…….baaaaaaaaa". The sheep huddle even closer across the road. " baaaaaaaa…its a jeep thing….. ……bleeeeeettttt." The sheep babble even louder, then slowly pass over a low hill on the horizon. Barbi Anne drives her Jeep down the road, glad that she was pressured by friends to belong to the "Jeep Thing". Meanwhile, Jimmy is on a nearby forest road, about to park at a turnoff near a fishing stream. Jimmy drives a Chevy 4×4 full size. He parks his rig and takes his 6 foot fly rod case out of the bed, and unloads his gear. A man in a toyota 4runner drives by and waves. The man in the 4runner turns around to talk to the man about the fishing. " How do you like the full size chevy?" asks the 4runner driver. " I like it just fine". Jimmy responds. " how do you like your 4runner?" asks jimmy. " I like it just fine", says the 4runner driver. " What thing is it?" asks Jimmy. " It’s not ANYTHING," says the 4runner driver. "it’s just a damn car." —-Muskie
Anyone have experience using sidefinding transducers on fishfinders? I see that Apelco, Bottomline, Humminbird and perhaps others make them. Do they do a decent job seeing targets and structure near the surface, without undue interference from shore or surface? I do a lot of inshore flyfishing, am usually fishing in the top 10 feet or so of water. Some people (maybe including me — my jury’s out) may find issues of enjoyment and perhaps sportsmanship weighing against using such transducers, but for the moment I’m just wondering how good the technology is. — Mark Parsons
I had been very sceptical about the accuracy of any fish finding device period, until I picked up a bottom line Fishing Buddy II, which I mainly bought for depth finding and temperature readings, more than actually "fish " finding. Then on one outing to a new lake, a friend and I clamped this thing on his canoe, and I tried the side finding mode. Wow, there were no fish rising, but every time I cast to the indicated area, I got a strike! Being new to flyfishing at the time, I didn’t land all that many of the fish, but I was amazed at the accuracy of the information, especially since all the brookies were small (4"-10"). Now I’m sure this unit isn’t really any better than any of the others out there, but I now believe that electronics, when properly used can be a great deal of help. Mike
Anyone have experience using sidefinding transducers on fishfinders? I see that Apelco, Bottomline, Humminbird and perhaps others make them. Do they do a decent job seeing targets and structure near the surface, without undue interference from shore or surface? I do a lot of inshore flyfishing, am usually fishing in the top 10 feet or so of water. Some people (maybe including me — my jury’s out) may find issues of enjoyment and perhaps sportsmanship weighing against using such transducers, but for the moment I’m just wondering how good the technology is. — Mark Parsons
Mark- I also spend alot of time in fairly shallow water 10-12′ or less, and find the sidefinder to actually be of more use then the down finder. Granted you do get some false hits occasionally, but the sidefinder helps me to determine if I am in a populated area better then the downfinder in this shallow water. In deeper water I might expect the opposite.. -Dan-
Mark Parson writes: Some people (maybe including me — my jury’s out) may find issues of enjoyment and perhaps sportsmanship weighing against using such transducers, but for the moment I’m just wondering how good the technology is.
I also wonder about the use of fishfinders while fly fishing. It sort of rubs me wrong to consider doing it … but I’d sure like to not waste a lot of time blind casting to empty areas devoid of fish. Has the fly fishing puritan ethic cut too deeply here? Are there any other fly fishermen using fish finders … was there any guilt involved … yea, I expect some flames on this … but I’m curious if anyone else is going thru the mental gymnastics of attempting to incorporate some technology and also understand the why of the seeming guilt. Bob Vorel
I own a Fishing Buddy II which can be attached to my float tube, it has helped with depth and temps, but I have had a hard time placeing much confidence in it’s fish detecting feature. I have found the audible tone it emits very intrusive. It also seems to hang my flyline alot. If it dropped to the bottom of the lake tomorrow I wouldn’t buy another. Simple is Best. Tight Lines
Hi, When I hear someone commenting "that’s cheating" when refering to sonar units, I ask them if they had the oppertunity, would they stand on a tall overlook and see the fish in the water before fishing it… We were using sonar on floattubes 15 years ago and by directing the transducer by hand, we could look under structure and "sidefind". Too bad we thought it was public domain and didn’t patent it ;^( Interpretation of the screen is the hard part for most anglers. Jim Jim, Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV
Anyone have experience using sidefinding transducers on fishfinders? I see that Apelco, Bottomline, Humminbird and perhaps others make them. Do they do a decent job seeing targets and structure near the surface, without undue interference from shore or surface? I do a lot of inshore flyfishing, am usually fishing in the top 10 feet or so of water. Some people (maybe including me — my jury’s out) may find issues of enjoyment and perhaps sportsmanship weighing against using such transducers, but for the moment I’m just wondering how good the technology is. — Mark Parsons
I have used the Hummingbird sidefinder. It helps find structure, but I thought thought it was pretty funky. It spotted fish (big salmon) when there were no fish there, and the distances seemed to be off by a large margin. The bottom finder was great. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley alias hawleyb(at)juno.com 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR
Does anyone know if fishing is permitted on the Prisons property of Spring Creek??? Brian
The answer to this question is yes and no. You cannot fish on the prison property where it is posted. This includes a stretch above and below the area mentioned by another poster. He is talking about turning onto Shiloh Road at the white church and fishing the Benner Springs hatchery stretch. There has been quite a bit of controversy over this area in the past few years. Much of the access at Benner Springs has been taken away along with the parking which used to be available. The Fish commission says it isn’t trying to keep people from fishing there but they have taken away parking, taken to closing the gates earlier, and generally made it very difficult to enjoy. The Yes part to your question about fishing prison land…most of where you can fish between Shiloh Road and the Paradise area IS prison land. The DEC and prison have agreements. If you fish anywhere in this stretch, the land surrounding the stream and up the hills, on both sides, is prison land. You’ll notice signs which post for trespass and No Hunting all along here. If you stick to the public access waters you ARE fishing prison land. Can you fish the other posted areas of prison land…not legally. It is your choice. For all the fantastic fishing available in the open waters I don’t feel the need to take a chance at hitting the posted waters. Scott
Does anyone know if fishing is permitted on the Prisons property of Spring Creek??? Brian —
Hi Brian, I’ve fished on prison property near the fish hatchery below the State Trooper barracks. I’m not sure of the name of the road but I can give you directions. From State College head towards the Nittany Mall. Get on Rt. 150 (Benner Pike) headed towards Bellefonte and take a left at the second Mall entrance (at the little white church). Go down that road until you run into the prison property. Do not take a left on Trout Road. You’ll run into a gate and if you read the sign, they close the gate at 9:00PM. You must be out at that time, they’re pretty good about not closing the gate if they see cars parked there. There are some big fish (16-24") in there. E-Mail me at the Internet address below the next time you plan on fly-fishing, I try to get out everyday. See you later.
I am interested in starting up my own guide service to those people in Japan who enjoy fly fishing. I have been fly fishing for several years all over Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. I also speak Japanese fluently. I am just looking to see if there is an interest among the Japanese in fly fishing. I am close to graduation and the idea of being stuck in an office is horrifying. If I can combine my language skills with something I love to do- fly fishing- I would be very happy. If anyone can give me some advice on the best way to do some advertising I would greatly appreciate it. If you are Japanese and can give me some feedback please e-mail me. (Eigo ka Nihongo…dochidemo ii desu) Thanks for your help.
I work for Japanese company and next to golf the Japaneses are getting into fly fishing in big way. You idea sounds interesting and I have the same sentiments, however I have been working in Japan and Seattle for away. Let me know your plans in more detail. Wayne