Wouldn’t that be a white wine to go with the nits? Small point but arn’t the chimps actually culling the nits rather that picking them? Dave
[deleted] Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana (with an assist by Euripides & Thucydides)
So *that’s* why my backcast snags the same damned limb of the same damned tree two (and more) casts in a row !. Euripedes must have been a dry fly fisherman… — TimW
<snipped it finally settles in at $242. Two Hundred Forty-Two friggin’ dollars for a $30 slice of a company that doesn’t earn squat.
Our President was listed as a developer for VA Research and was able to purchase 140 shares at the IPO price. I foresee improvements in his fishing equipment for a long time to come. bc.
So *that’s* why my backcast snags the same damned limb of the same damned tree two (and more) casts in a row !. Euripedes must have been a dry fly fisherman…
This reminds me of a funny thing that happened astream. I was fishing with Wayno on Dick’s Creek. The arrangement was that one person would fish till he caught a fish then the other guy would fish since both of us couldn’t fish this tiny stream at the same time. We slithered through the laurel, slunk over the rocks and finally came to small pool surrounded completely by brush. Wayno in his best stealth mode got into position, made a perfect cast and got a strike. When he went to set the hook he missed and the fly lodged in the brush behind him. "Forty, come over here and give it a try" he whispered. "If I stand up to get that fly I’ll spook this pool." I crawled over next to Wayno, made a good cast and got a strike. When I went to set the hook I missed and my fly lodged in the brush just inches from Wayno’s. There we were, staring at a pool with at least one or two fat little rainbows in it and we both had our flies in the brush behind us with no way to retrieve them without putting down the fish. Flyfishin’ in The Old North State, what a hoot. — Ken Fortenberry
… Just what do you invest in? Savings bonds? Money Market funds? TIAA annuities?
Beanie Babies. I’m bettin’ the farm on Beanie Babies. 
— Ken Fortenberry
… Just what do you invest in? Savings bonds? Money Market funds? TIAA annuities? Beanie Babies. I’m bettin’ the farm on Beanie Babies.
Forget Beanie Babies, Ken. What you want to do is to short Beanie Baby futures. 
— visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
I’m sure the high-tech investors are quite smart and are making tons of dough. Personally, I’m scared of it. I like to buy stocks to stick in the back of the filing cabinet and forget about. With Anheuser I KNOW that someone, somewhere is drinking a LOT of Budweiser.
BUD (Anheuser Busch) has been a pretty good investment over the past couple of years. Not super spectacular, but decent. (Their web site isn’t Y2K compliant, so that alone gives me pause.) Before you write off high-tech stocks answer the following questions: 1. Do you think computers will be more important, less important, or about the same to the economy in the future? 2. Do you think the Internet’s importance will grow, shrink, or stay the same? If you think that high tech is just some passing fancy, so you’ve avoided investing in companies like Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Intuit, Adobe, Oracle, etc., etc., ad infinitum, then I’m afraid you’ve made some very ill-advised investment decisions. Just what do you invest in? Savings bonds? Money Market funds? TIAA annuities? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
… Based on Laueies father’s advice I plan to sleep in late the try to catch the afternoon black fly hatch. Have been hitting the bike so perhaps I will be able to fish a couple of days without the knees giving out.
As I recall, Laurie’s dad recommended the early afternoon Blue Wing Olive hatch on the white water section of the Nantahalla. I’m still undecided whether he was trying to put us on to good fishing or kill Wayno. In either case, be careful out there, that’s some damn near impossible wading no matter how good your knees are. — Ken Fortenberry
Ken you are probably right, anyone holding such a non profit high wrist stock is probably not very smart. …
Congratulations on finally retiring the "*". I’m sure the high-tech investors are quite smart and are making tons of dough. Personally, I’m scared of it. I like to buy stocks to stick in the back of the filing cabinet and forget about. With Anheuser I KNOW that someone, somewhere is drinking a LOT of Budweiser. — Ken Fortenberry
Ken you are probably right, anyone holding such a non profit high wrist stock is probably not very smart. So I am selling half of my Linus stock, will have to pay to capital gains tax but should still have e enough cash left to pay for my squaw’s new Jaguar and our trip to New Zealand. Leaving tomorrow morning for NC mountains for a few days bumming around. Based on Laueies father’s advice I plan to sleep in late the try to catch the afternoon black fly hatch. Have bee n hitting the bike so perhaps I will be able to fish a couple of days without the knees giving out.
Wouldn’t that be a white wine to go with the nits? Small point but arn’t the chimps actually culling the nits rather that picking them? Dave
Nope, Beaujolais Nouveau
: Man, they didn’t cover this shit in the investing seminar I went : to. Sure they did. Look in the index under "Ponzi". That’s certainly an interesting observation. At the very least it’s "irrational exuberance". I’m like George Adams, I’m leery of high-tech stocks and have very little of them.
Unfortunately for you and George and Jonathan, Ken, that means you’re missed one of the best investment opportunities in history. And it isn’t over. Not by a long shot. I haven’t seen the post that started this thread. I assume it referred to the LNUX IPO (VA Linux). In my opinion you’d be nuts to buy it now, when it’s well over 200. When it goes below 80 or even 100 look out. What the Linux market frenzy illustrates is the hatred and fear the industry has for Microsoft. People want an alternative to Windows, and along comes one that’s not only better than Windows, but it’s also free! What more could you ask? The only thing Linux lacks right now is a large, diverse set of applications. If Linux continues to take off, look for investments in Linux application developers. About flyfishing: My thanks to Bob, who who not only sent me several nice bonefish flies, but also sent complete tieing materials and an 2-page list of Christmas Island tips. I owe you one, buddy. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
: Man, they didn’t cover this shit in the investing seminar I went : to. Sure they did. Look in the index under "Ponzi".
That’s certainly an interesting observation. At the very least it’s "irrational exuberance". I’m like George Adams, I’m leery of high-tech stocks and have very little of them. — Ken Fortenberry
There we were, staring at a pool with at least one or two fat little rainbows in it and we both had our flies in the brush behind us with no way to retrieve them without putting down the fish.
Exactly why you should always carry a ‘pocket fisherman’<g. — Charlie…
You guys both need de-lousing. Do it like chimpanzees do it; they pick and eat each others’ parasites as a sign of familial grace.
Alas, I’m neither graceful nor familial enough to be a chimp<g. — Charlie…
Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? — Charlie…
You guys both need de-lousing. Do it like chimpanzees do it; they pick and eat each others’ parasites as a sign of familial grace. Mu
Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? — Charlie… You guys both need de-lousing. Do it like chimpanzees do it; they pick and eat each others’ parasites as a sign of familial grace.
I think that’s what we’ve been witnessing, Mu…
Maybe a paraphrase of: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana
Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana (with an assist by Euripides & Thucydides) — Ken Fortenberry
Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? —
YOU DA MAN ! — Ken Fortenberry
Not to pick a nit but according to Bartlett’s it’s
Shouldn’t there be a comma after ‘nit’<g? — Charlie…
The scary thing is that the same type of thing occurred in the 1920’s with the hot technology of the time…..radio. There were all sorts of predictions of the way radio would change the world and generate millions in profits for those that invested early, and millions jumped on the bandwagon. When it became apparent the the stocks were vastly overpriced, the bubble burst, and this was one of many financial disasters that contibuted to the crash of 1929. I’m not predicting another crash, but I don’t have a whole lot invested in technology stocks. "Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them" ___unknown George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"
"Those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them" ___unknown
Maybe a paraphrase of: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana — Charlie…
rw posted here on the 7th about VA Linux (VA Lnx on the NASDAQ) going public on the 8th. Now VA puts together some nice boxes, does a real good job of configuring a nice system with just as many bells & whistles as you need and no more, but they don’t make any money at it. That’s right, a quote from their prospectus: "We do not expect to generate sufficient revenues to achieve profitability and therefore we expect to continue to incur net losses for the foreseeable future." So a company that doesn’t make money and doesn’t expect to make money in the future, makes an IPO of 4.4 million shares at $30 a share and traders bid the price up to $320 a share !! before it finally settles in at $242. Two Hundred Forty-Two friggin’ dollars for a $30 slice of a company that doesn’t earn squat. Man, they didn’t cover this shit in the investing seminar I went to. — Ken Fortenberry- buying some more Anheuser-Busch instead
I intend to spend my summer’s vacations ( august 18th to 30th) in the area of Yellowstone ( Idaho,Montana,Wyomming) with my familly (4 adults) . ours activities w’ll be, flyfishing, wildlife seeing, hiking if anyone have some informations about lodging in this area and flyfishing possibilities (not too more expansive). please inform me . thank you sincerely
My suggestion would be to stay in West Yellowstone, Montana. The town is the enterance to Yellowstone National Park & there are lots of moderately priced motels in town.You can fish a half a dozen or more rivers within an hours drive of the town. You can get a one day license in Idaho for $6-8, Montana sells 2 day licenses for about $10 & you can get a Yellowstone National Park 7 day license for less than $20. THere are over a half dozen good fly shops in town, (my favorite is Blue Ribbon Flies) where you can get info on the hatches & what is fishing well. They are not giving up their secret spots but they will steer you in the right direction. Yellowstone is a great park lots of trails & wildlife. There are times when traffic builds up do to people stopping for animals on the road & they are also repairing & rebuilding the roads in the park. Do a Web search for West Yellowstone & you can get all the info you need.
There are times when traffic builds up do to people stopping for animals on the road
If the fishing is slow try this…drive right at the speed limit on one of the primary loop roads in Yellowstone and wait for about 30 cars to back up behind you. Quickly (but safely) pull over to the side of the road and jump out with your camera (it helps to have a passgenger pointing to nothing in earnest) and run into the woods…hilarious to watch all 30 calls pull over and unload while you non-chalantley drive away laughing your head off. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Anyone out there have experience fishing for muskie on this Vilas County lake? Traveling there next week. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.
(Sorry guys, not using my fly rod on this trip, though maybe I should bring it anyway? Meant to post inquiry to general fishing ne ws group.) TH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there have experience fishing for muskie on this Vilas County lake? Traveling there next week. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.
Not fish with a fly rod ?!? Must not be a family relation. Wayne Hart To fish is human…to release devine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry guys, not using my fly rod on this trip, though maybe I should bring it anyway? Meant to post inquiry to general fishing ne ws group.) TH Anyone out there have experience fishing for muskie on this Vilas County lake? Traveling there next week. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.
Beginning angler, need advice: What would be best live/artificial Baits to catch Catfish & Bass? What should be the best locations in the streams (no current, fast current, ponds, depths, etc…) where Catfish or Bass are concentrated? Thank you very much indeed.
Brian, I haven’t done alot of catfishing but I ran across a guy the other day and he said he uses a product called junnies (do a search on the web). he said he bought the stuff off the internet and that a catfish guide told him about it he stated that the guide had the maker come fishing with him and they caught 10 to 1 (maker vs. guide). I do alot of creek fishing and catch alot of bass. I use a lure by rebel called a creek hopper. On a good day I catch and relese about 30 (1/2lb to 1 1/2lds) bass and no telling how many sunfish. you can also check: <A HREF="http:www.tn-outdoors.comtn-outdoors.com</A for other fishing and hunting articles. happy fishing Larry
I have found that a ball of chicken liver on a medium size treble hook works well in most situations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Beginning angler, need advice: What would be best live/artificial Baits to catch Catfish & Bass? What should be the best locations in the streams (no current, fast current, ponds, depths, etc…) where Catfish or Bass are concentrated? Thank you very much indeed.
I have a question: how do you get the chicken livers to stay on the hook. I got some fresh chicken livers to use for bait and they were the consistancy of mush. I would have had a better chance of trying to put grape jelly on the hook. I have heard you can freeze them but this seems like a messy job. Any suggestions you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have found that a ball of chicken liver on a medium size treble hook works well in most situations. Beginning angler, need advice: What would be best live/artificial Baits to catch Catfish & Bass? What should be the best locations in the streams (no current, fast current, ponds, depths, etc…) where Catfish or Bass are concentrated? Thank you very much indeed.
I have found that a ball of chicken liver on a medium size treble hook works well in most situations.
BBBbbbbbbut chicken liver flies right off the hook when you’re fly fishing. Fresh pork skin is the best way for the fly fisherman — * Center for Computational Biology * Montana State Bozeman (406) 994-7061 * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy */
Hey…. Martha Stuart of Flyfishing <g <g <g Yuk Yuk Yuk !!! Are you still using the Hot Glue gun to tie your flies (I just came across your article from the Disco era) ?. I (obviously) found it amusing as hell….sorry…<g I also saw your foam nymphs in the Umpqua book…congratulations… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
You can use strips cut from pantyhose to wrap the chicken livers in prior to placing them on the hook. This keeps the bait on the hook but still lets the scent and blood reach the fish. A couple tips: – Cutting the pantyhose into strips prior to going fishing will spare you a significant amount of hastle from your fishing buddies. – Be careful when inserting a hook with a large barb. It is not easy to stick the hook through the fabric. Or better yet mash the barb down somewhat. – Let the wrapped liver soak in blood before you hurl it at the catfish. – I’ll leave the acquisition of the aforementioned garments to you. Your wife may worry if she catches you rifling through her dresser. Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a question: how do you get the chicken livers to stay on the hook. I got some fresh chicken livers to use for bait and they were the consistancy of mush. I would have had a better chance of trying to put grape jelly on the hook. I have heard you can freeze them but this seems like a messy job. Any suggestions you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
FROM, ANDRE ! I OFTEN TRY SEWING THREAD WITH MY CHICKEN LIVER, SIMPLY PUT THE LIVER ON A TRI -HOOK AND PROCEED TO RAP IT ABOUT 10 TIMES , THAT ALWAYS WORKS FOR ME.
Hello, I’m going to Toronto next summer, and I would like to know where I can fish trout with my fly rod Thanks, Mark
Hello, I’m going to Toronto next summer, and I would like to know where I can fish trout with my fly rod Thanks, Mark
Can I recommend some provincial politictians that will gobble a fly if it resembles a dollar bill? Try the front lawn of Queens Park. Seriously, to the east, Duffins Creek and the Ganaraska, to the north west, the Credit River and the Forks of the Credit. to the west, the Grand River and its tribs. To the way north, brookie streams north of Sudbury, to the way west, ‘bows and steelhead on the Maitland and the Saugeen and their tribs. Call John Valk at Grindstone Angling (905) 689-0880 if you need more info or a guide. Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m going to Toronto next summer, and I would like to know where I can fish trout with my fly rod Thanks, Mark Can I recommend some provincial politictians that will gobble a fly if it resembles a dollar bill? Try the front lawn of Queens Park. Seriously, to the east, Duffins Creek and the Ganaraska, to the north west, the Credit River and the Forks of the Credit. to the west, the Grand River and its tribs. To the way north, brookie streams north of Sudbury, to the way west, ‘bows and steelhead on the Maitland and the Saugeen and their tribs. Call John Valk at Grindstone Angling (905) 689-0880 if you need more info or a guide. Peter
I lived on the bank of the Ganaraska for 25 years. If you come in the spring it’s packed with steelheaders. But if your in to natives then it’s really good from mid may to mid june in the upper reaches of the Ganny. The part of the river in Port Hope is good for steelhead but not so good for native trout because of the reconstruction after the flood. Anything north of Highway 16 is good for natives. I find this the best time for brown. BTW the Ganaraska is located in Port Hope. One hour east of Toronto on the 401. If you ask some of the land owners in Welcome (village name) or Canton nicely they will let you fish on their land. I have family that owns land on the Ganny. If you like Fly Fishing and would like to go about thirty minutes further east then I’d recommend Cold Creek north of Brighton. I’m just learning flyfishing and have just started exploring this stream so I can’t really give you much advice about it. Tight Lines Scott
<snip If you guys would have me believing that, I could also walk on water. Not so.
Hold on George, you are destroying perceptions I had here. I thought that if I rubbed gink on the felt of my wading boots, I could walk on water 8^) Bruce….
<snip If you guys would have me believing that, I could also walk on water. Not so. Hold on George, you are destroying perceptions I had here. I thought that if I rubbed gink on the felt of my wading boots, I could walk on water 8^) Bruce….
thinking clearly. I used to have two fishing hats. The guys bought the one that said, ‘Gink Keeps It Up’ . . . while the gals bought the T-Shirts that said; "Xink Keeps it Down!" Take care Bruce. George
I tying a bunch of dries right now and use Gink at the stream with good results. After the discussion about sprays and such I was wondering if it was a good idea to treat my flies with Gink now so they will be ready out of the box on the stream. How about treating the materials before tying?
I tying a bunch of dries right now and use Gink at the stream with good results. After the discussion about sprays and such I was wondering if it was a good idea to treat my flies with Gink now so they will be ready out of the box on the stream. How about treating the materials before tying?
I prefer to treat my dries immediately after tying. Some writers have described using gink and simialr dressings as a ‘dubbing wax’ but I’m unaware of anyone applying floatants to materials before tying the fly. Ralph H
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tying a bunch of dries right now and use Gink at the stream with good results. After the discussion about sprays and such I was wondering if it was a good idea to treat my flies with Gink now so they will be ready out of the box on the stream. How about treating the materials before tying? I prefer to treat my dries immediately after tying. Some writers have described using gink and simialr dressings as a ‘dubbing wax’ but I’m unaware of anyone applying floatants to materials before tying the fly. Ralph H
DEAR RALPH: YOUR QUESTIONS are good ones. First, Gink is not used as a dubbing wax and no, you don’t want to pre-treat your flies before you store them in your fly tying box. Dress your flies astream. HOWEVER! (Let us use a ‘Light Cahill’ Dry Fly as an example). You pick one up astream and you note it and its color. You might even take a picture of it. Now its time to tie the fly . . . to match the hatch. If you pick a yellow that matches the fly with ‘a dry’ material, it will be lighter than when it gets wet. As a test, you want to take a little GINK and see how much darker that dry yellow will become IF and WHEN it becomes WET. You, more likely than not will choose a lighter shade of yellow that will darken to the correct shade AFTER you get to your fishing hole. Understand? This is one of the neater features of using GINK AT the Fly Tying Table. Just use it as a test for each shade of fly you’re going to tie and use it without exception for every fly pattern you’ll tie in your fishing life. It is THAT important. Hope this hint increases your ‘Matching the Hatch’ stategies. Sincerely, George Gehrke (Gink Keeps It Up!)
I use Nufly coat on my newly tied flies, and it works great. I think it must be like scotch guard, which I intend to try also. You must apply it to newly tied or purchased flies which have not been Gink’d yet, or else it doesn’t work as good. I also buy Albolene at the drug store ( it is used as a make-up remover cream) for about 5 bucks a quart to refill my floatant bottles. Learned that from Art Lee’s book "Fly fishing for trout on rivers and streams". It works as good as any floatant. Best is probably Orvis "Superfloat", it dries the flies and treats them with one application.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tying a bunch of dries right now and use Gink at the stream with good results. After the discussion about sprays and such I was wondering if it was a good idea to treat my flies with Gink now so they will be ready out of the box on the stream. How about treating the materials before tying? I prefer to treat my dries immediately after tying. Some writers have described using gink and simialr dressings as a ‘dubbing wax’ but I’m unaware of anyone applying floatants to materials before tying the fly. Ralph H DEAR RALPH: YOUR QUESTIONS are good ones. First, Gink is not used as a dubbing wax and no, you don’t want to pre-treat your flies before you store them in your fly tying box. Dress your flies astream. HOWEVER! (Let us use a ‘Light Cahill’ Dry Fly as an example). You pick one up astream and you note it and its color. You might even take a picture of it. Now its time to tie the fly . . . to match the hatch. If you pick a yellow that matches the fly with ‘a dry’ material, it will be lighter than when it gets wet. As a test, you want to take a little GINK and see how much darker that dry yellow will become IF and WHEN it becomes WET. You, more likely than not will choose a lighter shade of yellow that will darken to the correct shade AFTER you get to your fishing hole. Understand? This is one of the neater features of using GINK AT the Fly Tying Table. Just use it as a test for each shade of fly you’re going to tie and use it without exception for every fly pattern you’ll tie in your fishing life. It is THAT important. Hope this hint increases your ‘Matching the Hatch’ stategies. Sincerely, George Gehrke (Gink Keeps It Up!)
Understand! Ralph H
George, Thanks for the match the hatch info. This sounds like excellent advice, and I can’t wait to try it this spring. Vince
First, Gink is not used as a dubbing wax and no, you don’t want to pre-treat your flies before you store them in your fly tying box. Dress your flies astream.
Why not? What is the reasoning behind this? Thanks, Jack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
First, Gink is not used as a dubbing wax and no, you don’t want to pre-treat your flies before you store them in your fly tying box. Dress your flies astream. Why not? What is the reasoning behind this?
Perhaps because George would rather you bought his World Famous/Can’t Be Beat/Patent Pending Miracle Dubbing Wax instead? ;^)
First, Gink is not used as a dubbing wax and no, you don’t want to pre-treat your flies before you store them in your fly tying box. Dress your flies astream. Why not? What is the reasoning behind this? Perhaps because George would rather you bought his World Famous/Can’t Be Beat/Patent Pending Miracle Dubbing Wax instead? ;^)
Its hard being great and humble at the same time. Yah, sure. If you guys would have me believing that, I could also walk on water. Not so. Seriously, GINK is not a dubbing wax. It is not thick enough to grab dubbing and help spin it around a fine thread. And, since Fly-Maker’s Wax IS designed to do just that with the same, wonderful, put a smile on your face, finger sticking good, a little dab will do you . . . efficency, why not go for the whole Enchalata? Sincerely, George Gehrke Mr. Dubbs?
In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent.
Great 
I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather.
Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Great I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather. It’s not that bad. The Conejos has lots of fishable water, and there are better fishing spots in the higher streams, anyway. I doubt that people will flock to Conejos County anyway, as it is not on the way to anywhere, and pretty far from a major metropolitan area.
Like the uh, San Juan ? or the uh, Green ? or the uh, North Platte ? or the uh, Bighorn ? I think your favorite secret is safe for the time being.
No it’s not. It is under attack. TimW
Sure. I did it last month and had a blast! You can read a more extended description at the following URL:
I enjoyed reading your story. We used to stay at Magote Meadows too. Grandpa had a travel trailer and we stayed in the RV park there. My grandfather fished that river every summer from the early 70s until he died 2 years ago, and he was preparing to go back even then. I have some of the best memories of my life up there. Bruce Wedding
Mark: for the latest fishing conditions on the Conejos check www.thereellife.com/reellife/ Manuel Monasterio The Reel Life
Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus
Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus
Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff
Does anyone have any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. You say T&T doesnt make those blanks? Yeah I know, but a buddy of mine pulled a few strings and it is going to be a special item. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike
Does anyone have any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. You say T&T doesnt make those blanks? Yeah I know, but a buddy of mine pulled a few strings and it is going to be a special item. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike
I put a set of PacBay TN guides on an 8 weight I built on a Powell blank. Aesthetically very nice, the the finish is now wearing off the tip (after 4 yrs.). I can’t really tell you I noticed a big performance difference, not like going from snake guides to single foot SICs. They are more corrosion resistant, though IMO if you clean your rod properly this shouldn’t be a huge deal. They go on the same as any guide :- I think if I were to build myself a real top of the line designer rod I’d use TN guides as well a TN reelseat (Clemens and Orvis have them) because I think they look pretty slick. There are many brands of TN guides now, you want to check as many as possible. The cheaper ones may wear off faster. I believe one of the saltwater ff mags had a review on titanium components a few months ago. I’ll try to find it tonite… jc
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike Hi If your design includes gold hardware; reelseat, guides, tiptop, etc. you’ll get a beauty of a rod. I use T/N stuff on my rods and notice appreciative stares from others. Haven’t got any bad news about ‘em either. – six years later. – Thanks, J.P.Erwin – System Tech – Network Surveilance Views expressed here are MINE – nobody else dares to open their yap!
Hello Mike, I used TN guides on a Sage RPL I did last year. I used the guides along with a gold Powell reel seat and got a nice look. The gold appearance is not that gaudy. I’m hoping for good durability. Jeff
Does anyone have any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. You say T&T doesnt make those blanks? Yeah I know, but a buddy of mine pulled a few strings and it is going to be a special item. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike There is also a black TN guide set (at least I think it is TN) that is
really hard and looks good. I use them for the stealth factor. Have em on two rods and they appear to be pretty good. Have only used them for about a season at this point, but they got hard use. No grooving to date, unlike the set they replaced.
If TiN coating is used as a wear preventative on so many drills, reamers and carbide metal cutting tools, I would think it would be an excellent finish for guides.
: -Mike There is also a black TN guide set (at least I think it is TN) that is : really hard and looks good. I use them for the stealth factor. Have em What exactly is the stealth factor? Are we now involved in all out war? In order to combat the fisherman with radar and motors on their float tubes, the trout have established hidden "listening posts" to detect the presence of fisherman topside? Titanium nitride has a low radar cross section, so the stealthy fisherman goes undetected? Just wondering.
First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down…
I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : -Mike There is also a black TN guide set (at least I think it is TN) that is : really hard and looks good. I use them for the stealth factor. Have em What exactly is the stealth factor? Are we now involved in all out war? In order to combat the fisherman with radar and motors on their float tubes, the trout have established hidden "listening posts" to detect the presence of fisherman topside? Titanium nitride has a low radar cross section, so the stealthy fisherman goes undetected? Just wondering. First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down…
May I suggest an inflatable for total stealth ? As far as low reflection guides go, I had pretty good luck with the Perfection ‘EZ Flow’. Oversized and a nice grey color. Think I gotta do something about my chartreuse fishing hat though…
First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down… May I suggest an inflatable for total stealth ? As far as low reflection guides go, I had pretty good luck with the Perfection ‘EZ Flow’. Oversized and a nice grey color. Think I gotta do something about my chartreuse fishing hat though…
I hope those aren’t the same grey guides I got some time back form Anglers Workshop. They were supposed to be teflon coated and real slick. Well, they were, until they got all grooved up. They were way soft. That’s why I got the DLC guides I referred to. Bear in mind I’m tough on guides. I fish from a boat most of the time, and sand and grit gets all over the line. A better recipe for destroying guides could not be found.
I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Kevin, I built an Orvis PM10 4pc 4wt last year, and unfortunately I’ve been pretty disappointed with it’s performance. The rod throws nice tight loops for casts out to about 60′ (using a Cortland 444 Lazerline WF4W) but for anything beyond 60′ the rod just feels overloaded and "mushy" (i.e. not crisp). I also built an Orvis PM10 4pc 8wt and can throw it about 90′ before the same "mushy" feeling sets in, so I’m sure that some of my impression is biased by the lighter line weight. I’m now in the process of building a GLoomis IMX 4pc 5wt and have great hopes for it. The rod feels *much* stiffer throug- out it’s length than do any of the Orvis rods I’ve built, but I’m reserving final judgement until I’ve had a chance to finish the project and get the rod out to the local casting ponds. Unfortunately, I have no experience with the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 wt, so I really can’t give any feedback on that series. Best of luck with whatever you decide, Fred
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down… May I suggest an inflatable for total stealth ? As far as low reflection guides go, I had pretty good luck with the Perfection ‘EZ Flow’. Oversized and a nice grey color. Think I gotta do something about my chartreuse fishing hat though… I hope those aren’t the same grey guides I got some time back form Anglers Workshop. They were supposed to be teflon coated and real slick. Well, they were, until they got all grooved up. They were way soft. That’s why I got the DLC guides I referred to. Bear in mind I’m tough on guides. I fish from a boat most of the time, and sand and grit gets all over the line. A better recipe for destroying guides could not be found.
Hmm, I’ll have to check them. If they’re teflon coated I didn’t know it when I bought them :- Mine were on a Fisher 10 wgt. used mostly on surf and jetties in N.E., like you I’m rough on tackle (the rod is now broken . I originally had SICs on the rod, but switched to snakes to accomodate the heavy heads I like to throw. On my other rods, my black PacBays on my 11 weight have held up extremely well, fishing surf 3-4 times/week May- Oct. for 2 years. My PacBay TNs have begun to wear after about 4 years. The SICs, though ugly, have held up well for me too. Also, the single foot takes less time to wrap, which is important for me this time ‘cos I have to build the rod between the screams/needs/etc. of a 3 mo. old ! Fast is good, ja. I tend to cycle through rods pretty fast, slipping on jetties, etc. tends to beat them up good, so often the guides don’t get a chance to wear out ! jc
: I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight : and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or : both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, : disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon : to build up from the blank. Hi Kevin, I read a follow on post about the Orvis PM 10 and thought I’d mention my thoughts about the RPL (and the LLB) series. I have a 586 RPL and a 790 RPL and love them both. They are what the RPL stands for: Reserve Power Line. Wonderful line throwers. Now on the other hand, My wife has a 4711 LLB and I have just finished a 490 LLB and they are too soft for my arm. I have great difficulty casting with them. My wife, however, wouldn’t give her’s up. It is light and does a great job for her. Two of my daugherts also have 586 RPL(s) and they swear by them. It is a very easy rod to cast. lukn4fish — Bob San Jose, Ca
I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Hi Kevin, I have cast and fished with both the Sage and Orvis 5wt. rods you mentioned. The RPL in my opinion is the all around better of the two. Both are very fine rods; However, the Sage has more backbone and will throw a tighter loop. The chioce is yours as to which rod is better for you. I prefer a very fast rod. Some people like to have a slightly slower, softer rod. The fast action of the RPL is somewhat unforgiving when you use light tippets. I suggest that you fish with both before purchasing. A day on the stream with a rod will give you much more information than casting one or the other at a fly shop. Good luck, let me know what you think of both. Bryan Bonds White River Anglers http://www.ipa.net/~bbonds Fayetteville, Ar
I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Hi Kevin, I’ve tried both before buying the PM-10 9′ 5wt 2 pce. Depending on your preferences in a rod both are very nice rods. The RPL is a somewhat stiffer rod, very nice casting (even beyond 75′) but when you hook a moderate sized trout the PM-10 gives you more pleasure. Recently I bought a Sage LL 590-3 instead of the PM-10. Its casting is about in between the RPL and the PM-10. Above all it gives a lot more fun when playing a moderate sized trout. Finally : When distance is your main goal, buy a RPL 590 or even better SP+ 590. when performance is your goal, buy PM-10, LL 590 (3) or SP 590 (3). Succes, Ger.
Kevin, I can’t speak about the Orvis– However, I have fished with a Sage RPL 8ft for a 4 for many years. I have fished the West Branch of the Ausable to the Madison. I have never been disapointed with the rod. I’ve caught everything from bluegills to landlocked salmon with it and it has been a pleasure. Tight loops, distance, and when needed a delicate feel. I also own two Orvis Rods. A green mountain and a far and fine. Neither of these rods are worth the money I spent on them. They hang on my wall while I fish with my Sage rods. In my opinion there is no comparison. Fish with the Sage! Mike
You should try these rods yourself and see which ones cast best for you. We all have different casting styles and preferences.
I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Kevin, Can’t help with the Sage rods, but can speak form experience about the PM-10’s. I personally fish with the PM-10 865-4 (8 1/2 ft. 5 wt. 4 pc.) and the rod fits me perfectly. I love it. The tip is very delicate and the rod loads and casts easily up close as well as having plenty of power to boom out the entire line if I need to. As you cast more and more line, the rod very smoothly and predictably flexes farther and farther down the blank with no sudden stops or hinges. It became available this year in a 9ft. version for a little better line control, but I still like the 8 1/2ft. We use the PM10 905 in our fly fishing schools and it is also superb. Same light tip with plenty of power but I prefer the way the 4 pc. casts over the 2pc. One of those things about buying top quality shoes and they’re all good, but this one’s really comfortable. The PM10 904 is a little smoother IMHO than the 905 but doesn’t have as much power. If you
Hi, I’ve been reading this group for a while, and I was wondering if anyone has info about when the steelhead run in the Russian or other Northern California rivers. Also, any advice on flies/techniques
Hi, I’ve been reading this group for a while, and I was wondering if anyone has info about when the steelhead run in the Russian or other Northern California rivers. Also, any advice on flies/techniques
Steelhead run in our coastal rivers generally in December, January and February. A few are caught before and after but the main runs are in this time. The Klamath and its tributaries have a fall or late summer run during September and October. (These fish actually bite flies) For the Russian River the best local info comes from King’s Bait and Tackle in downtown Guerneville. I don’t have the number but call 707-555-1212. Typically for these winter run fish we need a good storm to open up the rivers, then a week or more to clear. The fish hit flies best when the rivers are dropping and clearing. Flies most often used are black and flourescent weighted wet flies in sizes 4-8 and also some big psychedelic maribou "popsicles". Deep drifts along the bottom are recommended. Also typical is a hundred fishing hours or so per winter steelhead caught on flies. But that hundred hours can be quite wonderful in the misty redwoods. I have yet to catch one of these coastal winter fish on flies after about twenty trips. But to me just seeing a ten pound fish when I have a fly rod in my hands is enough. Good luck! Mark Vinsel May the wild fish live to spawn, and may the brood of their progeny break the tippets of our grandchildren!
<snip Also typical is a hundred fishing hours or so per winter steelhead caught on flies. But that hundred hours can be quite wonderful in the misty redwoods. I have yet to catch one of these coastal winter fish on flies after about twenty trips. But to me just seeing a ten pound fish when I have a fly rod in my hands is enough.
Yikes, Mark! I’ve read your posts with enthusiasm and respect (here and on the listserver) for some time. If you can’t catch ‘em, who can? I was gonna get a heavier rod (only have my two backpacking 5wts) and give it a try…. OTH, as you say, there is nothing like the mist in the redwoods… Brook Schoenfield
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<snip Also typical is a hundred fishing hours or so per winter steelhead caught on flies. But that hundred hours can be quite wonderful in the misty redwoods. I have yet to catch one of these coastal winter fish on flies after about twenty trips. But to me just seeing a ten pound fish when I have a fly rod in my hands is enough.
Hey Vinnie!! Even though you didn’t get a steelie, I can think of something else you may have caught. ;-) BH’s Double D
Yikes, Mark! I’ve read your posts with enthusiasm and respect (here and on the listserver) for some time. If you can’t catch ‘em, who can? Brook Schoenfield
I’m sure some kid or beginner somewhere has walked right up, flubbed their cast and latched onto and landed one. Timing is key. You can put your fly right in front of those winter fish over and over again with nothing to show, but sometimes I’ve heard they bite. That’s OK with me. I caught one Navarro river winter steelie about ten years ago on bait, and last year I had a hit on the Smith. I covered the Society hole and the run from the tailout above, over and over again before watching a drift boat baitor hook and land a twenty-pounder right where I’d fished. Somehow the pleasure of flyfishing wins, and I gladly accept this part of luck. As I caught one on the Thompson in BC my first trip, and have often had fall fish on the Klamath, I am plenty satisfied. Most often I go to get away from some urban stresses. Hooking a steelhead is not relaxing but casting and working the fly is. King harvest will surely come! -The Band Mark Vinsel May the wild fish live to spawn, and may their progeny break the tippets of our grandchildren
Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly. Brian Hadley
I’m the onw who’s smewhat responible for all this catfish talk, and through my queries have heard of similar instances. An article that lies at my feet says that when they spawn, they are best on crankbaits and spinnerbai et etc. Interesting. — | Travis L. Clements | And we all like the bit when you take | N. Logan, Utah | The jeans from the refridgerator and
writes: Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly.
I’ve caught channel cats on 4-5 inch jointed floating Rapalas on the Allegheny River here in PA. I’ve even seen them rising for large white mayflies during a hatch. I wasn’t able to catch them with a fly, only a white Mr. Twister. Jason
| and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) | catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has | anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures | is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? From time to time I have caught cats on a lure. They have hit mostly, but not exclusively, crankbait type lures fished along the bottom. The thing this most resembles is a crawfish, i.e., the action of crawling along the bottom stiring up the mud. The color/pattern didn’t seem to matter-although I prefer shad color crankbaits first and crawfish color second. I have also caught them on plastic worms when bassin’. Tight Lines, Mark O’Shea — In the absence of common sense we will not accept responsibility for any acts of complete or even partial stupidity.
| | Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small | pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish | with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill | and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) | catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has | anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures | is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? | Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly. My father, brothers, and I catch lots of catfish with fly rods in the brackish tidal creeks that flow into the coastal rivers of Virginia. We fly cast small jigs and small spinners, and fish them on the bottom (which isn’t usually much more than 6 feet down). This is very effective for all kinds of species — bream, largemouth, yellow perch, stiffback perch, crappie, and catfish. You even occasionally hook into something a bit more exotic. My brother once caught a carp that we estimate was well over 30 lbs. My brother is about 6′ tall and when he held it up vertically, the tail was touching the ground while the nose was up at his chest. He could barely stuff it under the front canoe seat after he landed it. He gave it to a family from Cambodia, who must have feasted on it for days. We occasionally catch carp in the 15 – 25 lb range. It’s not all that exciting since it takes forever to land them and you usually assume that you’ve hung bottom until it slowly starts to lumber off. On a light fly rod a big carp probably doesn’t even realize it’s hooked, so it fights like a log. I guess we could just break the line, but that is just totally anithetical to an angler’s natural instincts. The catfish seem to hit best when it’s hot. In the spring and fall we get more bream, largemouth, and perch. But when it gets good and hot, the catfish take over and become the majority of the catch. It amazes me how in the middle of a sweltering, humid, windless day, when you would expect all the fish in the creek to be hiding in the deepest hole that they can find, that the catfish are having a feeding frenzy in the shallows. We seem to have the best luck fishing from when the tide is about half out down to low tide and then maybe for the first hour of the incoming tide. These creeks have large, shallow weed beds and marshy areas that are exposed at low tide. As the tide falls, baitfish have to get out of the shallows and into the main channel or get beached. This is when the catfish (as well as other species) like to stack up next to any little channel that flows out of the marsh and watch the day’s buffet swim by. — University of Virginia Academic Computing Center
Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly. Brian Hadley
Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly. Brian Hadley
On the Potomac we used to catch catfish on lures all the time, so much so that we used to fish for them specifically with lures. They seem to like the white Mr. Twister jigs we used for Stripers, and also Lime Green Mr. Twisters we used for Largemouth. We caught plenty on Mepps spinners as well. I even caught a Bullhead on a tiny torpedo (!) Mark — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Harris Space Systems :: Melbourne, FL
: Hello, I was wondering if anybody has heard of this before. I fish a small : pond near my house on occasion and when I’m not using my fly rod I fish : with lures on my ultra light spinning rod. The pond has largemouths, bluegill : and Catfish. On three seperate trips I have caught nice sized (~2-3 lbs) : catfish with spinnerbait lures. Now I’m not an expert on catfish but has : anybody heard of catching them on lures? If you can catch catfish on lures : is there any particular type, size or colors that would work the best? : Now I’m just trying to figure out how to get them to rise for a dry fly. Caught two on lures last year; both had been sprayed with Garlic Oil(TM). The first was around a 1 1/2 pounder on a purple plastic worm in early April in the back end of a cove on Lake Lanier near Atlanta. The second one was around 2 1/2 to 3 pounds on a "chirstmas tree pattern" Hal Fly on a small lake at Stone Mountain Park. I was very surpised. I was trolling for crappie at least 2 weeks after they had come off the beds and was only catching "hand-sized" ones (as opposed to some of the slabs that I have caught in the weeks preceeding them going on the beds). I happened to have my small landing net with me, and was rather unhappy that I hadn’t caught the "slab of my dreams" . As for catching catfish on flys… As a boy growing up, my father and I would be able to fish 1-2 times a year with my grandfather in Florida on Lake Talquin(sp). The lake had (may still have) a large population of blind mosquitoes that were active at night. We would fish around the full moon with size 8-10 popping bugs for bluegills. We would catch some "smallish" bass on some trips. On one trip my father hooked what he taught was a "very" large bass, and after spending approx. 30 minutes getting the fish to the boat the first noise he heard as the fish was being netted was a catfish "croaking". Weighed the fish the next morning at over 8 pounds. I wonder to this day if that fish was 1) actually trying to eat the popper, 2) chasing a bulegill and got hooked some how, or 3) god just put the thing on the end of that line. — Mike Marler | Rich Building, Room 242, Georgia Tech