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Hi All, We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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My favorite rivers flooded last week, so we fished bluegills and went out for draughts afterwards (BBC Pale Ale – heavy on the Cascade hops this summer).  Definitely no drought in Massachusetts this year.  It hasn’t hit 90 degrees (F) in over a month.

Raining like heck in Juneau, Alaska and it hasn’t hit 90 degrees since we’ve been keeping records.

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It is still hot in Dallas. Duh!! remember we are not all that far from Wichita Falls which has the claim of one of the most appropriately named bicycle races in a few weeks, The Hotter Than Hell 100. Lake Lewisville is still over 13 feet low. Big Dale .

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My favorite rivers flooded last week, so we fished bluegills and went out for draughts afterwards (BBC Pale Ale – heavy on the Cascade hops this summer).  Definitely no drought in Massachusetts this year.  It hasn’t hit 90 degrees (F) in over a month.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? Bill Kiene

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What is happening out your way?

Serious drought in Georgia. — Charlie…

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Wet and cool in Ontario – all of the rivers are high and we’ve had a few floods. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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What is happening out your way?

reporting from north carolina:         it’s been a great year for bermuda grass.  the golf course fairways are lush and green.  of course, i live in paradise.  in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden". wayno

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Hi All, What is happening out your way?

Big Dale covered the DFW area (hotter’n hell, 11 or 12 days over 100, and dry) and it was hot (mid 90s), with a little rain in Orlando area, raining to beat all hell on the MS/AL Gulf Coast, particularly Mobile. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Well, in Ohio farmers are expecting exceptional corn crops…….spring rains have been the pits. Of course this is smallmouth bas country which is some fine fishing.  This spring as the fishing started to heat up we began having rains.  Oh, you could find a place to fish but my usual haunts were high and muddy.  About the time you thought you could go fishing tomorrow, put a hurtin on me. So for a month I was unable to fish….and this while the wife and little girl were out of town.  By the time the water was fishable again, boom, summer was here….algae, green water the whole bit. Early morning and late evening were the ticket….I just missed out on a whole spring of fishing…….john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Lotta Summer rain here in Maryland.  Some of the stockies are still around, as the rain has kept the rivers cool.  Temp was in the 70s yesterday.  Nebraska on the other hand is in draught and its sizzlin’ hot in the 100s.        Frank Reid Before you buy.

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 in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden".

When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

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 in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden". When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

        "climax" is about 15 miles southeast.  in the nether regions, one might say. wayno

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 in fact, there is a little town about 20 miles northwest of here by the name of "eden". When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

Not far from Friends University, I take it? <G R

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When I lived in Kansas I used to fish by a little town named ‘Climax’ not far from ‘Eureka’. — Charlie…

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Ya’ll keep your pre-verted towns away from the home of my dear, sainted mother.  She lives in Virgin, UT.  As a matter of fact, I was jus’ thinkin’.  There’s this lady, lives down the street, name’s Mary.  Then again, she CAN’T be that Mary, ’cause she moved up from Las Vegas.    Virgin is the only place in the world with an actual Virgin Recycling Center.                       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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The trout in Northern California are plentiful and in great condition after four years of good rain and snowfall.  River runoff has reduced to the point where dry fly fishing is good and will remain that way for the rest of the year.  This is the year for those 100 trout days. Ernie

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Not far from Friends University, I take it?

About 75mi (or so) east of Friends University of Central Kansas<g. (not the officially sanction name of the school). — Charlie…

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   "climax" is about 15 miles southeast.  in the nether regions, one might say.

Ah, you’ve been there<g. — Charlie…

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What is happening out your way?

Its looking like drought in CO.  Streams not controlled by dam releases are running quite low and warm, at least on the eastern slope.  Hopefully at least some of the fish will survive.

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Up here in the Lakes District it has been raining off and on all summer. The last 5 days or so it’s been sunny. I haven’t been to any rivers in a couple of weeks just fishing the lake so I can’t say how they are. One plus though if the water is high it usually brings record runs for the fall.             Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi All, We went to BC last week and the water was high because they have had a lot of  unusual rain the past month or so. I had a customer by that lives in Great Falls, MT and he said they were in a draught? What is happening out your way? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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What is happening out your way?

I have only been able to fly fish our local river on two occasions in the last three months becasue it’s so muddy.  We watered the lawn only once this entire summer.  Not flood per se, but steady precipitation. Mu

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What is happening out your way? I have only been able to fly fish our local river on two occasions in the last three months becasue it’s so muddy.  We watered the lawn only once this entire summer.  Not flood per se, but steady precipitation. Mu

Today, will be (provided we don’t get rain) the  144th consecutive day without measurable precipitation in Las Vegas – Going for the record of 150 set in 1950!  So I guess you could say that we are having a drought.  BUT!  20 minutes after it starts raining, we will be in a flood.  I normally fish in Utah – about 3 hours north of here.  Creeks and ponds in that area are near or at record lows.  Fire danger is rated at Extreme+.  

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What is happening out your way? In The Southern Tier of Vermont,  We had three months of nearly

continuous rains.  The rivers and streams were quite high and not very fishable.  This has settled quite a bit in the past month and the fishing is the best that it has been in my experiance. There has been a fairly steady Sulfur hatch and #10 & #12 sulfers are highly reliable and productive. The Trout are very numerous, well distributed, and in excellent health.   They are deep, broad, and remarkably brightly colored.  They are also guite long winded, makeing for some outstandingly long fights.  Some of the jumps are spectacular. The health of the fisheries is probably due to higher than average streamflows. In fact, fishermen should be extra aware of the weather. Because of the high water table, flash flooding can be an important consideration.  You want to be sure that you leave yourself a ready escape if you are fishing in the rain. If it has rained, the rivers and streams will be high for a couple of days.  The best times to fish are when the water has cleared and receded some.  Evening is the best time, with the last hour of light being the peak time.   So, just choose a water and hang on!                                     Mike Don’t forget to let them go.

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I didn’t even make the freaking list–nor did I go fishing this weekend. Man alive. I guess I’m gonna hafta call my mom and tell her never to come visit again. Otherwise, I won’t be able to keep up with the Joneses…er, Wolfgangs. –Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing!

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…         but a night with the check out lady at the pixie motel after an evening embellished by a neil young cd marathon and re-heated pizza during rest breaks would render you positively cuddly, forty ol man.

I’m confident that "little wayno’s cuddle therapy and aerobic exercise program" would render me cuddly but I’m afraid I just couldn’t bring myself to eat re-heated pizza. — Ken Fortenberry- gotta draw the line somewhere

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Lemme guess, are you in Minnesota, or thereabouts?  We had a system blow through here on Friday, had a good 7 inches on the ground Saturday morning. Put a real damper on the weekend fishing plans.

Nope..Denver.  It snowed pretty much all day Saturday, but without significant accumulation.  Sunday was nice, though, and yesterday was 80s again.

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day tripper writes: CRAP! I’ve slipped to number 14 – even HWMNBN held me higher than that! /daytripper (I was Number 6 once! ;^)

And yesterday you were in #2, deep into #2 with a broken wading stick!   Shoot, if we didn’t go fishing yesterday, we coulda both been higher in the stats. Dave LaCourse

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Hell Kevin, I couldn’t be "really nice" if you promised me a private concert by the Guarneri String Quartet, dinner for two catered by Rick Bayless and a night of sweaty sex with Gabrielle Reece.

        of course not; who could, left to be entertained by those pallid pretenders.         but a night with the check out lady at the pixie motel after an evening embellished by a neil young cd marathon and re-heated pizza during rest breaks would render you positively cuddly, forty ol man.         wayno

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<list snipped Damn, I better start participating more. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Not yet maybe some time in the next week

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF,

        great post.         to paraphrase a great american, who was speaking about a small college in new hampshire, may i say this about roff:         it is a small place, sir; but there are those of us who love it. wayno

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stuck in the middle again…. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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Here are the most prolific posters, in order:

What’s the ranking by word count? Who uses the most vowels? — Charlie…

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Geez, … I find 600 messages! …  

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and hazard a guess that you were not forced at gunpoint to read even one of those messages. Which begs the question, what in the hell are you whining about ? — Ken Fortenberry

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sunofabeech… the thought of wayno posting as much as me just rankles the shitoughta me. 14 at ya wayno ;^) waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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A check was done on ROFF to see who was most prolific, Wolfgang won with sixty one, 1.525 per hour to be specific. Charlie asked then for more info, especially regarding vowels, perhaps it would be more informative to check on movements of the bowels ? This would explain a lot, and is not at all designed to slight the winner, but quite a lot of posts arise it seems from an undigested dinner, it is well known that poor digestion may result in bellyaching, and even those without this malady, seem pretty good at faking. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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/daytripper (I was Number 6 once! ;^)

Yeah, yeah.  You coulda been a contender.  Bunch a has beens and never wases.  Come ta Nort Carolina kid, I’ll learn ya sumthin.

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If you’re really nice to me, I might be able to tell you where to find a spring-fed cool water stream that has smallmouth and rock bass in it, only minutes away from the Cham-bana city limits.  But only if you’re really nice… Kevin MS Math, ‘86, UIUC

Kevin, Would you be so kind as to do me and a few other clavesters a favor…. don’t tell Ken… tell me/us. We’ll have a blast listening to him begging and whining for the details at the upcoming clave …. hell, he may even be civil if we play our cards right waldo

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… If I was, I might complain about the tone of hostility in some of the posts, but I’ve noticed that everybody who’s done that in the past has been flamed medium rare.

Whiners rarely get off medium rare. They’re usually flamed to a blackened piece of charred cinder. …  But only if you’re really nice…

Hell Kevin, I couldn’t be "really nice" if you promised me a private concert by the Guarneri String Quartet, dinner for two catered by Rick Bayless and a night of sweaty sex with Gabrielle Reece. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and hazard a guess that you were not forced at gunpoint to read even one of those messages. Which begs the question, what in the hell are you whining about ? — Ken Fortenberry

Don’t worry, I didn’t bother reading them all, and I wasn’t whining. Merely expressing amazement…  If I was, I might complain about the tone of hostility in some of the posts, but I’ve noticed that everybody who’s done that in the past has been flamed medium rare.  So I definitely won’t complain about that. If you’re really nice to me, I might be able to tell you where to find a spring-fed cool water stream that has smallmouth and rock bass in it, only minutes away from the Cham-bana city limits.  But only if you’re really nice… Kevin MS Math, ‘86, UIUC

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Also, in my own defense, I must say that I was pissing away my time at work, not my fishing time.  :-) I’ll quit now before I make my own list. Kevin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse    Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz    Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish    MFassett    Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor    rw 13  Walt Winter    Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker    Warren Findley

CRAP! I’ve slipped to number 14 – even HWMNBN held me higher than that! /daytripper (I was Number 6 once! ;^)

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I got a staff writes this shit for me.  Frankly, I rarely even check the board any more; who’s got time to read?.  I get hourly synopses from my secretary.  I tell her "three fuck yous, two one liners, and a couplea hey good buddies", or whatever.  Two, three lawyers and a couplea high school kids sits in the back room and write.  I get a sheet with all kindsa crap on it.  I check this one, cross out that one, yada, yada, yada.  61 over the course of the weekend, huh?  Somebody’s slippin in some of his own stuff.  I never authorized that many.  Heads will fuckin roll!!  Thanks for the heads up.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention…

Of course one could say the same about someone who went through the trouble of compiling a listing of the number of times people posted in a 64 hour period….     – Ken

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Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing!

Yep…sure is, but it snowed here Saturday, so there was not much fishing opportunity.  Had to do something!

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Of course one could say the same about someone who went through the trouble of compiling a listing of the number of times people posted in a 64 hour period….     – Ken

Actually, that very thought occured to me while I was doing it. Fortunately, thanks the miracle of modern technology, it didn’t take but a few clicks of the mouse to do.  I do graciously accept the honorable mention prize in the time wasting competition. Kevin

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Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Yep…sure is, but it snowed here Saturday, so there was not much fishing opportunity.  Had to do something!

Lemme guess, are you in Minnesota, or thereabouts?  We had a system blow through here on Friday, had a good 7 inches on the ground Saturday morning. Put a real damper on the weekend fishing plans. Kevin

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it was likely the intent to drive you off the run. I’ve experienced the same. Two or three fishing buddies think they can intimidate you off the water. Best thing to do is leave.

But Ralph….. If you leave, haven’t they just accomplished what they set out to do? I know that discretion is the better part of valour and he who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day, but dammit there are times when you just gotta say "I was here first" (it works for the natives) With one above and one below I think I’d just camp there for a while. If they really are fishing buddies, its gonna cramp their style to have me in between them and that’s just what I’d do! Tough Sh*t if they don’t like it

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200 feet on Yellowstone Lake is pretty damned close….was the lake calm ?

Tim, I’ve agreed with you most of the time but 200′ anywhere is not close. Joel Axelrad

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P.S. I had some marvelous fishing on scenic small streams (in solitude) in the Park.

Right. I grew up fishing small streams, and I’ve never gotten over the notion that "real" fly fishing is conducted in the quiet ofwilderness and the company of one or two like-minded friends. I also believe that the best fishing is usually found right between your ears and not in some exotic, faraway place on a map. Dennis Smith Loveland, CO

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It is annoying when you are on a lake as big as Yellowstone and some guy driving by sees you catch a fish and the next thing you know you are standing in a crowd of fishermen. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 200 feet on Yellowstone Lake is pretty damned close….was the lake calm ? Tim, I’ve agreed with you most of the time but 200′ anywhere is not close. Joel Axelrad

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t was likely the intent to drive you off the run. I’ve experienced the same. Two or three fishing buddies think they can intimidate you off the water. Best thing to do is leave.

Sometimes I wonder, when I’m in this situation. Maybe if I were to just be a clumsy, noisy fisherman for a while, put all the fish down, then *they* would leave. It might take a while for the pool to settle out again, but it might be worth it. FlyFisherRay

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t was likely the intent to drive you off the run. I’ve experienced the same. Two or three fishing buddies think they can intimidate you off the water. Best thing to do is leave. Sometimes I wonder, when I’m in this situation. Maybe if I were to just be a clumsy, noisy fisherman for a while, put all the fish down, then *they* would leave. It might take a while for the pool to settle out again, but it might be worth it. FlyFisherRay

now I like that! Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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First, there is no such thing as Western etiquette… The South prety much controls the market on regional etiquette (although there it’s known as "hospitality"). Second, if there was such a thing as Western etiquette, the first rule would be: If you’re in a float tube, and you’re (justly or unjustly) rebuffed by a bank fisherman, politely smile and quickly move on. You’ve no idea what he’s got back in his pickup, and you’re worse than a sitting duck, so you don’t want to escalate the conflict. Glad to see you followed rule #1. -chuck o. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just spent a week in Yellowstone Park and am rather confused about etiquette.  Fishing a run on Soda Butte Creek, someone got in at the head of the run, at most 100 feet away, and then his friend got in below me on the same run.  I thought this was very rude, so I drove upstream to another section. The next day I float-tubed Yellowstone Lake.  I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this?     – Offended in Ohio P.S. I had some marvelous fishing on scenic small streams (in solitude) in the Park.  It occurred to me however, that outside of the occasional 15" cutthroat,  I can have just as much fun fishing scenic small streams in Pennsylvania with much lower travel costs.

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Pretty hard to say where this etiquette originated.  This time of year you won’t find many locals fishing the popular tourist places.  In August on Yellowstone Lake, the fisherman in question could have been from damn near any place on the planet. Da? Parochially Yours, Don Kelly Butte, MT

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And of course you assumed he was a "Westerner" ???? A true Westerner would not have called you a bad name – he might just have pulled out his gun and let you have it . A transplanted Pennsyltuckian. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just spent a week in Yellowstone Park and am rather confused about etiquette.  Fishing a run on Soda Butte Creek, someone got in at the head of the run, at most 100 feet away, and then his friend got in below me on the same run.  I thought this was very rude, so I drove upstream to another section. The next day I float-tubed Yellowstone Lake.  I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this?     – Offended in Ohio P.S. I had some marvelous fishing on scenic small streams (in solitude) in the Park.  It occurred to me however, that outside of the occasional 15" cutthroat,  I can have just as much fun fishing scenic small streams in Pennsylvania with much lower travel costs.

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Hell – at that distance you would have trouble figuring out which one of my "Western" fingers I was showing you. My rule of thumb – I assume you got a heavy surf rod and 3 ounces of lead. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 200 feet on Yellowstone Lake is pretty damned close….was the lake calm ? Tim, I’ve agreed with you most of the time but 200′ anywhere is not close. Joel Axelrad

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How about boaters/rafters giving a wide berth to waders? I think that is fairly common Western etiquette. It comes to mind because last year I was wading downstream while nymphing on the Big Hole. A guy and his girl float down right next to me, then pull in not 100 ft. below. I was incensed. I said: "can’t you see I’m heading downstream." They call *me* an asshole and then move on. -CB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, there is no such thing as Western etiquette… The South prety much controls the market on regional etiquette (although there it’s known as "hospitality"). Second, if there was such a thing as Western etiquette, the first rule would be: If you’re in a float tube, and you’re (justly or unjustly) rebuffed by a bank fisherman, politely smile and quickly move on. You’ve no idea what he’s got back in his pickup, and you’re worse than a sitting duck, so you don’t want to escalate the conflict.

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Hey I’m from Wyoming, and the last place you’ll find me is where all them damn tourists who drive 2000 miles to fish some of the published waters in the state. Seems to me that since they drove all that way, they own the water, Well, I’ll just let them have it. I’ll go where the good fishing is and avoid the crowds, the hassel and the small fish.  And yes, my friend avoid the big waters too, makes more since to go for big fish, Don’t ask, I’m not telling

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I just spent a week in Yellowstone Park and am rather confused about etiquette.  Fishing a run on Soda Butte Creek, someone got in at the head of the run, at most 100 feet away, and then his friend got in below me on the same run.  I thought this was very rude, so I drove upstream to another section.   The next day I float-tubed Yellowstone Lake.  I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this?     – Offended in Ohio P.S. I had some marvelous fishing on scenic small streams (in solitude) in the Park.  It occurred to me however, that outside of the occasional 15" cutthroat,  I can have just as much fun fishing scenic small streams in Pennsylvania with much lower travel costs.  

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Given that Yellowstone is the "magnet" that it is for fishermen, it may be an incorrect assumption that these were "Westerners" you were fishing with/against  =) ….. after all, you were from the "East", right???? 8^) It seems that the "bigger" the water) in name and reputation, the bigger the head of the people fishing it… it’s sort of the "Well, dammit…I came x hundred/thousand miles to fish this water and I’m gonna do as I DAMN WELL PLEASE" so, in the middle of the summer…you can expect some of this. As for the scenery to size ratio….personally, I’d take Wyoming over Pennsylvania ANY DAY!! Now, if you wanna REALLY experience some Western Streamside lack of hospitality…try gettin into a Steelhead or Salmon run in California when the bait and metal fishers are out……say on the American or Feather Rivers….maybe the Lower Sacramento or Klamath…..your choice!! Larry #:)#

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just spent a week in Yellowstone Park and am rather confused about etiquette. Fishing a run on Soda Butte Creek, someone got in at the head of the run, at most 100 feet away, and then his friend got in below me on the same run.  I thought this was very rude, so I drove upstream to another section.   The next day I float-tubed Yellowstone Lake.  I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this?    - Offended in Ohio P.S. I had some marvelous fishing on scenic small streams (in solitude) in the Park.  It occurred to me however, that outside of the occasional 15" cutthroat, I can have just as much fun fishing scenic small streams in Pennsylvania with much lower travel costs.   </PRE</HTML

The guys 100′ up and 100′ down were a little close.  Given the crowded condition of Yellowstone, this time of year, you just have to put up with it. Personally I would enter 200-250 yards up or down from another fellow fisher.  The guy that called you an asshole on the lake was the asshole.  200′ away – what was he using for a fishing rig – a cannon? If you want a great Yellowstone experiance – plan to go 2 weeks after Labor Day.  The crowds are reduced by more than half. The fishing pressure is greatly reduced. The traveling around is twice as fast.  You might run into some rough weather but the fishing, in the park,  is great in bad weather. Joel Axelrad

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I knew a Steelhead fisherman that painted an X on a rock and would get so mad when he found someone standing on it that he started taking it home. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Given that Yellowstone is the "magnet" that it is for fishermen, it may be an incorrect assumption that these were "Westerners" you were fishing with/against  =) ….. after all, you were from the "East", right???? 8^) It seems that the "bigger" the water) in name and reputation, the bigger the head of the people fishing it… it’s sort of the "Well, dammit…I came x hundred/thousand miles to fish this water and I’m gonna do as I DAMN WELL PLEASE" so, in the middle of the summer…you can expect some of this. As for the scenery to size ratio….personally, I’d take Wyoming over Pennsylvania ANY DAY!! Now, if you wanna REALLY experience some Western Streamside lack of hospitality…try gettin into a Steelhead or Salmon run in California when the bait and metal fishers are out……say on the American or Feather Rivers….maybe the Lower Sacramento or Klamath…..your choice!! Larry #:)#

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I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this?

 Very ignorant, but then he probably felt safe at this distance! — Bill

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When fishing any of the popularcrowdedfamous waters in the West, you’re sure to run into A**H****.  Fly fishing is not a social or team sport and there are no rules or "etiquette" (whatever that is). Ob these pubilicized waters, it often more like going to a Mall on dollar day and trying to fight the crowds for a "bargain." This is ONE of the reasons I personally avoid these waters. The West has alot of lesser known rivers and streams that provide some great fishing away from the crowds. However, these waters are getting harder and harder to find and most are kept "secret."  (See post about To Tell Or Not To Tell) These are very hard to find when travelling unless you do some homework before you go. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just spent a week in Yellowstone Park and am rather confused about etiquette.  Fishing a run on Soda Butte Creek, someone got in at the head of the run, at most 100 feet away, and then his friend got in below me on the same run.  I thought this was very rude, so I drove upstream to another section. The next day I float-tubed Yellowstone Lake.  I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this?     – Offended in Ohio P.S. I had some marvelous fishing on scenic small streams (in solitude) in the Park.  It occurred to me however, that outside of the occasional 15" cutthroat,  I can have just as much fun fishing scenic small streams in Pennsylvania with much lower travel costs.

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I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this? Very ignorant, but then he probably felt safe at this distance!

Very good point Bill… offensiveness is so often directly proportional to distance or percieved invulnerability.  Witness the sad characters who use terms such as ‘pig-headed twit’, ‘eat sh.. and die’ etc in what is supposed to be a sociable forum such as this.  One wonders if they would use the same school-yard insults face to face?  Probably not, as a hearty smack in the mouth can be pretty offensive too, in its own way. We can be nasty little characters, safely closeted away with our computers, or at the other side of a raging river.  Schoolboys even make faces at gigantic ’silverback’ male gorillas – from the other side of the bars, of course. Just the opinion of this birtish ninny. — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘warboyz’ to reply by e-mail)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Very good point Bill… offensiveness is so often directly proportional to distance or percieved invulnerability.  Witness the sad characters who use terms such as ‘pig-headed twit’, ‘eat sh.. and die’ etc in what is supposed to be a sociable forum such as this.  One wonders if they would use the same school-yard insults face to face?  Probably not, as a hearty smack in the mouth can be pretty offensive too, in its own way. We can be nasty little characters, safely closeted away with our computers, or at the other side of a raging river.  Schoolboys even make faces at gigantic ’silverback’ male gorillas – from the other side of the bars, of course. Just the opinion of this birtish ninny. — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘warboyz’ to reply by e-mail)

Thanks for some back-up Stuart. Hey, us birtish ninnies have to stick together! No, seriously though, it just isn’t worth the effort. Ever fish Bewl? Aye, Tony

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Here in New York State, we have some of the most reprehensible streamside behavior there is on the Salmon River.  Enormous crowds will snag fish, litter, blare radios, cut in on spots or even individual fish, pick fistfights or even exchange gunfire.  It is a world class fishery swarmed by bottom class humanity. Let the occasional insult just roll right off you.  It could be far worse. Pete C

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I just spent a week in Yellowstone Park and am rather confused about etiquette. Fishing a run on Soda Butte Creek, someone got in at the head of the run, at most 100 feet away, and then his friend got in below me on the same run.  I thought this was very rude, so I drove upstream to another section.

it was likely the intent to drive you off the run. I’ve experienced the same. Two or three fishing buddies think they can intimidate you off the water. Best thing to do is leave. The next day I float-tubed Yellowstone Lake.  I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.  Is there some widely accepted protocol on this?

the accepted protocol is don’t come  any closer than 2 maximum cast lengths or about 150 feet (give or take) – so the fella’ in question was likely suffering from a mild case of caffine poisoning. Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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[deleted] The next day I float-tubed Yellowstone Lake.  I gave adequately wide berth to a shore fisherman, passing him 200 feet out and not even casting, and he called me an asshole.

[deleted] 200 feet on Yellowstone Lake is pretty damned close….was the lake calm ? Was it clear ? You probably *did* spook his fishing to some degree….was it necessary to pass that close ?  Why ?  Remember, this guy was on vacation too man. But, you asked…is there a western ettiquette ? If there is one, it would have to be that we haven’t quite given in to the notion of fishing in a crowd. What seems like a lot of room to you is ‘butt-buddy’ close out here.  Like I said…Lake Yellowstone is HUGE (how many miles of shoreline…? How many anglers on the shore ?) You come flippin through within a couple of hundred feet and it ‘feels’ like you’re crawling up ‘em. And then there *is* the current politics.  Many bait and lure anglers out here feel (VERY JUSTIFIED IMO) that the flyfishing/float tubing/Orvis Wearing/Jeep Driving/Catch and Release Angling contingent is the bassmaster ruination of the sport (Western Flyfishing).  These guys just took it out on you. There it is.  Unabashed support for the shore angler and a Western etiquette. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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I knew a Steelhead fisherman that painted an X on a rock and would get so mad when he found someone standing on it that he started taking it home.

at least he knew what mattered most to him … or perhaps he wanted to cook up a good "Stone Soup"? Is there a bridge here between the endless c&r c&k dialectic? Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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My rule of thumb: if possible, Two of my casts plus one of his casts distance between me and him. Using this rule, you would both have to cast 60 – 70 feet. Not likely. FlyFisherRay

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I’ve recently started freshwater fly fishing and having read about where to look for the fish, I’d like to see a video on reading a stream.  Does anyone have a good video to recommend? Virginia Rick

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I’ve recently started freshwater fly fishing and having read about where to look for the fish, I’d like to see a video on reading a stream.  Does anyone have a good video to recommend?

Hi Virginia, Check out the old Scientific Anglers tape "Anatomy of a Trout Stream" with Rick Hafele.  He uses a giant orange phony fish to show you some of the best holding spots for trout.  The rest of the tape is full of great info even if Rick has to squint into the camera most of the time.  This tape will not only show you where to find them, but also explain why you find them there.                    Hope this helps,                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Im being hauled up to a wedding this weekend in Iron Mtn, MI. Anyone know of an accessible stream to fly fish in.  Ive got all morning Saturday and Sunday. I’d like to make this worthwhile. Please post or reply to below. — Any company and/or person sending ‘junk’ mail, comonly refered to as ‘SPAM’, to the above email address to promote or endorse any service or product that was not intially requested by the holder of the above email address agrees to the receipt of up to 20 MEG of random and possibly infected mail or files.

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Im being hauled up to a wedding this weekend in Iron Mtn, MI. Anyone know of an accessible stream to fly fish in.  Ive got all morning Saturday and Sunday. I’d like to make this worthwhile.

Actually, virtually every creek and river has trout in it.  When you go to buy a license in Wisconsin, you will receive a trout waters map showing all streams with trout in them.   Bring some Griffith’s Gnats, Blue-Wing Olives and a few Caddis’ along with whatever nymphs you like and enjoy. Jon Russell FlyFish Minnesota

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Steve, It sounds an awful lot like a trermocline to me. Did your friend  try to look below this light line? Whenever I have seen the thermocline I am always able to see bottom also and im sure he to should have been able to see bottom.  I guess you will have to ask him but to answer your question yes sonar does pick up thermoclines,but remember not every lake will develope one every year! It just depends on the conditions Good Luck Weedjig

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anybody clear up an issue.  A friend fished a couple of fly-in Canadian lakes last year and said that the edges sloped off fairly steeply, lots of rocks, etc., but that at about 20-25 feet the bottom became uniformly flat across the basin, with a weak echo return.  He assumed that this indicated an old lake bottom that had silted in, so there was just a featureless expanse of mud. These weren’t tiny lakes and I have some difficulty imagining that kind of siltation.  I seem to recall reading something about sonar echoes being intercepted and bounced back by the thermocline (epilimnion or hypolimnion, I’m not sure) when a lake has stratified (In-Fisherman, I think).  This was the beginning of July and the weather had been hot and dry.  The water was warm enough to swim in. Could this be a cuase of the aforementioned sonar readings?  We are going up again this year and I would really like to know if this might be the case? Thanks loads.

With a paper graph (Eagle or Lowrance X-16) it is very easy to adjust the unit to see the thermocline and the bottom at the same time.  To support your theory, 20 to 25 feet deep seems to be a realistic depth for a thermo- cline in mid summer that far north. Easiest way to test — use a hand line with depth markings or mark your fishing line with a permanent marker ko

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The flat ‘bottom’ reading could certainly be the thermocline.  It is very rare for any lake to have a uniformly flat bottom, especially Canadian shield lakes. Try adjusting the sensitivity up and down (mostly down in this case) to filter out unwanted signal and returns.  Also, be sure and turn the fish ID feature off if your unit has one.  Fish ID is not reliable for recognizing fish signals.  Any return not close to the bottom will show up a a "fish", and it may not be.  Some units also loose much detail in the displayed signal when the fish ID is on. Enjoy your Canadian trip!  I have to skip my Canada trip this summer and will be going through severe withdrawl!  I guess I’ll just have to fish more at home instead CHPeil!

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Can anybody clear up an issue.  A friend fished a couple of fly-in Canadian lakes last year and said that the edges sloped off fairly steeply, lots of rocks, etc., but that at about 20-25 feet the bottom became uniformly flat across the basin, with a weak echo return.  He assumed that this indicated an old lake bottom that had silted in, so there was just a featureless expanse of mud. These weren’t tiny lakes and I have some difficulty imagining that kind of siltation.  I seem to recall reading something about sonar echoes being intercepted and bounced back by the thermocline (epilimnion or hypolimnion, I’m not sure) when a lake has stratified (In-Fisherman, I think).  This was the beginning of July and the weather had been hot and dry.  The water was warm enough to swim in. Could this be a cuase of the aforementioned sonar readings?  We are going up again this year and I would really like to know if this might be the case? Thanks loads.  

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I’m looking for a source of small plastic boxes with lids – about an inch or an inch & a half square.  Any of you shop owners have an idea? Thanks in advance for any information. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

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Al- Tap plastics has a group of parts boxes in non-shatter milky whie color for somewhere in the realm of 15-25 cents each..they also ahave some 1 inch cubes and 1×2, 2×2 in crystal clear and assorted other colors in the 35 to 75 cent range…best I’ve seen! Larry Medina  #:)#

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I have not heard of any in the western part of the state or in Southern Indiana (I’m in Evansville).  Fort Campbell north of Nashville Tenn is supposed to have a trout stream, and eastern KY must, but I’m not familiar with them.  Tight lines. Bill Mack

The fisheries people Frankfort have a document listing all of the trout streams in Kentucky.  Check the Regs booklet wherever you get a license or call information for the Dept of Fish & WildLife.  The cold water fisheries expert is a guy named Jim Axon (sp?). Believe it or not, there are several streams in KY with self sustaining populations of wild trout (brookies).  But they are extremely small, hard to get to, and harder to fly fish. As I remember it, most of the trout streams are south and east of Lexington. There are put and take rainbow fisheries at a number of tailwaters (such as below Buckhorn Lake).  In the Big South Fork National River and Recreation Area there are "put-grow-and-take" brown trout fisheries is Rock creek and also trout in some smaller creeks.In the Red River Gorge area there is Swift Camp Creek, Coal Slab Creek and Chimney Top Creek plus a few smaller ones.  Another P-G-T brown stream is the Dix River tailwater below Herrington Lake dam just south of Lexington.  You’ll need a boat as access is limited for this one. I’m told that the vast majority of all the trout in KY are in the Cumberland River tailwater in the area from Burkesville on down.  This is a big river, a boat is best, but there are some wading access points. The state record brown and it’s twin (both 18 lb. +) came from here.  There’s a fly shop in Lexington that can tell you more, but I can’t remember the name (might try the Orvis 800 number and ask for their dealers in KY).  Indiana’s St. Joseph is the only trout/ steelhead/salmon river I know of in the state. Sorry, I don’t know of any cold water closer to Louisville, but consider giving stream fishing for smallmouth bass a try, they can be a blast on a fly rod and #4 yellow popper! Tight Lines…. Jeff Clark       Dayton, OH

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I have not heard of any in the western part of the state or in Southern Indiana (I’m in Evansville).  Fort Campbell north of Nashville Tenn is supposed to have a trout stream, and eastern KY must, but I’m not familiar with them.  Tight lines. Bill Mack

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says… I am about to move to Louisville, Ky and wondered if anyone knew of any good rivers or streams in Kentucky or Southern Indiana to fly fish for trout. Thanks, Allan Meguiar

The are allegedly trout in the Cumberland River between Wolf Creek dam and Burkesville.  You can get there in a couple of hours on US 127.  Fishing is very sensitive to discharge schedule from dam.  Good luck.  I hope you have more luck than me! Jim Gallt

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I am about to move to Louisville, Ky and wondered if anyone knew of any good rivers or streams in Kentucky or Southern Indiana to fly fish for trout. Thanks, Allan Meguiar

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Well, some of us need more stability than others.  Since I haven’t fallen into a stream (unlike some people I know) that aspect wouldn’t concern me.  

Actually, my balance may not be the best, but even though I fall in the stream once in a while, I can still catch fish (unlike some people I know) which is the point of it anyway.  I prefer to stay dry while I catch these fish, but I don’t mind being a little wet.  Hey, I rather be catching fish while a little wet, than being dry and SKUNKED. -Cousin *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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I also have a Sage four piece and find its action as good as any two piece in the same price range that I’ve had the opportunity to cast. I almost went with a two piece instead, working on the (previously stated by someone else) theory that the rod case makes a great hiking staff. But then I also mountain bike to a few favorite spots and that 4-5′ rod case can be a might unwieldy strapped to a bike frame…   Ben

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There have been several posts that have commented that there is no reason
to buy a travel rod because the two piece rods all fit in the overheads,
etc.  I generally agree, but would add one caveat.  If you are going to do
some backpacking or take horseback trips into more remote locations,
consider a travel rod (ie, a pack rod).                                               Dallas, TX
                                              Ennis, MT

Also on short business trips it’s nice to have a small rod that fits in your suitcase or straps to your briefcase. -Clyde         ..            ..   \   (  \  ~     //  )  //        Bay Networks, Inc. "What do you mean, ‘NOT TONIGHT’!?"  

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What red-blooded fly fisherman is satisfied with just ONE rod. I find my 4-piece  rod satisfactory, but not QUITE the same as my 2-piece rods.

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Can’t imagine having only 1 Fly rod, but I have found that my 3pc Sage Casts better than my 2pc Sage of the same series. I believe that Sage has designed the ferrule as an enhancement to the rod

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I have been fishing a Scott 5-pc 9′ #6, 4-pc 8′ 6" #4, and a 4-pc 10′ #8. I have used them for over five years.  The y are the easiest to carry, transport and fike with.  I have never experienced any problems, dead spots, or breakage.  This year, Scott has introduced a lifetime, unconditional guarantee.

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What red-blooded fly fisherman is satisfied with just ONE rod. I find my 4-piece  rod satisfactory, but not QUITE the same as my 2-piece rods.

I agree, fly rods are like golf clubs, you need a different one for every conceivable situation. John Carmichael

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I bought a Sage 590 LL 4 piece travel rod last year and I like the way it casts and it sure is easier to travel with then the 2 piece version. I can carry this one on the airplane (fits in overhead storage) and know that it will arrive at my destination.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. — Well, IMHO, pack rods are great when you want to put them on your pack and get them out of the way, BUT two piece tubes can come in handy.  I coat the bottom (about a foot) with Shoe Goo or Plastic Dip.  Then I use the tube for a walking stick.  I had one of those babies save me from slipping on a rock in a stream with a FULL pack. Anyway, I think you should list the pros an cons of each, and then decide which one would best fit your needs. -Paul *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

Well, some of us need more stability than others.  Since I haven’t fallen into a stream (unlike some people I know) that aspect wouldn’t concern me.   Later. —

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I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                         Brian

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I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                    Brian

Buy a rod that casts the best and meets all of your requirements for enjoyable fishing.  If that rod happens to be a 2-piece rod, then buy it.  If that rod happens to be a 4-piece rod then buy it.  It is possible to travel with a 2-piece rod. You can also fish close to home with a 4-piece rod. Brian, if you want to cast a bunch of rods and talk more about what you want in a rod, we can take this conversation off-line via RIT email.  I work for a local fly fishing outfitter part-time. Frank

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting ready to by a rod, and don’t no if I should get a 2 piece, or a travel rod.  Any recommendations???                                       Brian Buy a rod that casts the best and meets all of your requirements for enjoyable fishing.  If that rod happens to be a 2-piece rod, then buy it.  If that rod happens to be a 4-piece rod then buy it.  It is possible to travel with a 2-piece rod. You can also fish close to home with a 4-piece rod. Brian, if you want to cast a bunch of rods and talk more about what you want in a rod, we can take this conversation off-line via RIT email.  I work for a local fly fishing outfitter part-time. Frank

A time ago I had serious plans on buying a Thomas & Thomas Horizon travel rod. I had tried the 2 pc and wanted a 4 pc if it was as good as the 2 pc. The xtra money did not matter to me then. After trying the 4 pc I was very disappointed and bought the 2 pc, a T&T HS864. I think that if you can find a 4 pc rod you like a lot, buy it, but don’t buy a rod that you ‘almost’ want just because it is 4 pc. It’s worth the trouble carrying the 2 pc when you travel. Good luck. /Key | Key Hyckenberg                        |                       | | http://www.csd.uu.se/~m91key/         |                       | | University of Uppsala, Sweden         |                       | | Department of Mathematics             |         – L P Deutsch | |                                                               | | **** A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work **** | |                                                               |

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My recommendation is: By a travel rod!!!! with two piece rods. There are a huge selection of excellent three and four piece rods available on the market. Tight lines! Inge

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I agree with Andrew.  I have taken my two piece rods, an eight foot four weight and a ten foot seven weight, to alaska six times.  There has never been a problem.  It was not at all difficult.  The rod tubes will fit in the overhead compartments on most jets.  Traveling on commercial airlines is not a reason just to buy short or multi-piece rods. Just my $0.0212 (thats two cents plus 6% Michigan sales tax) worth. Steve

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There have been several posts that have commented that there is no reason to buy a travel rod because the two piece rods all fit in the overheads, etc.  I generally agree, but would add one caveat.  If you are going to do some backpacking or take horseback trips into more remote locations, consider a travel rod (ie, a pack rod).                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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I agree w/ decision to buy travel rod. In the better rods. travel rods are almost indistuinguisable from 2 piece rods in performance. And the convenience is really well worth it. i was very skeptical when I bought my first, four piece {a sage}, but now I wonj’t buy anything else.

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I agree w/ decision to buy travel rod. In the better rods. travel rods are almost indistuinguisable from 2 piece rods in performance. And the convenience is really well worth it. i was very skeptical when I bought my first, four piece {a sage}, but now I wonj’t buy anything else.

As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. —

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As for 4 piece rods, there is really no difference when it come to air travel, but I would recommend them if you ever backpack.  Backpacking even once, in IMHO, would be enough reason to purchase a 4 piece.  Backpacking with a 2 piece tube can be hell.  Unless of course you like getting snagged by every piece of greenery within 10 feet. —

Well, IMHO, pack rods are great when you want to put them on your pack and get them out of the way, BUT two piece tubes can come in handy.  I coat the bottom (about a foot) with Shoe Goo or Plastic Dip.  Then I use the tube for a walking stick.  I had one of those babies save me from slipping on a rock in a stream with a FULL pack. Anyway, I think you should list the pros an cons of each, and then decide which one would best fit your needs. -Paul *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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I dont mean to burst your bubble but you mention three items together that are antonyms of alaska.  Anywhere theres fish theres people.  It’s expencive.  And for most of Alaska dry flyfish is not the perfered method (usualy egg patterns of attractors) although I almost soley dryflied there all summer. But I caught more Grayling than trout and less than my buddies with egg pat. Ive guided there for the past two summers and have seen people try to take the economy route and be unhappy.         Two suggestions Rust’s flying service about $125 a day for guided         day fishing.  Rust is quite dependable.  my next and stronger suggustion         is goto or call McFee’s flyshop in Anchorage and ask for Dennis (owner)         tell him Kyle from Wilderness Place lodge sent you and he’ll give you the scoop.  Good Luck any questions feel free to contact me directly.         University of Illinois

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I dont mean to burst your bubble but you mention three items together  that are antonyms of alaska.  Anywhere theres fish theres people.  It’s expencive.  And for most of Alaska dry flyfish is not the perfered method (usualy egg  patterns of attractors) although I almost soley dryflied there all summer.  But I caught more Grayling than trout and less than my buddies with egg pat.  Ive guided there for the past two summers and have seen people try to take  the economy route and be unhappy.    Two suggestions Rust’s flying service about $125 a day for guided    day fishing.  Rust is quite dependable.  my next and stronger suggustion    is goto or call McFee’s flyshop in Anchorage and ask for Dennis (owner)    tell him Kyle from Wilderness Place lodge sent you and he’ll give you the scoop.  Good Luck any questions feel free to contact me directly.    University of Illinois

I agree that egg patterns are the best bet, but dry fly fishing in Alaska can be very rewarding.  The reason people don’t catch more fish on drys is because they just don’t try them enough.   They simply assume they will be ineffective.  Alaska is not devoid of insect life, it just takes some exploring and investigating to figure out what the fish are taking.  If you go to Alaska to catch salmon, sure, dry flies are going to be ineffective.  But, if you fish for rainbows and grayling, and you really should, then drys can be a blast!  By the way, that should be McAfee’s Fly Shop, not McFee’s.  Have fun, and catch and release!  Good fishing. -Steve  

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You might want to consider flying into King Salmon on Alaska Airlines and hook up with an outfitter there(sorry no names :I stayed at a flyout camp). An outfitter can set you up to float the American River, which is an oustanding remote dryfly river. It will take about 4-5 days to float the river to the mouth on Bristol Bay. Great big country and has a major bear problem( last year had major league charge from a big male who was protecting his fresh moose calf kill) .Don’t go alone! The flys I used were: Royal Wulff 12,14                                Yellow Humpy 12,14,16                                Gray Caddis-various                                 Royal Stimulator 12,14 The rainbows liked the Royal ties and the Grayling liked the the more subdued colors Adams etc.You should catch at least 100+ per day! (you must release all fish in the Bristol Bay watershed) FRANK

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I am planning to try fishing in Alaska this coming june and am interested in dry fly fishing in  fairly quiet places. I would like to do this fairly inexpensively. I have about 10 days to spend. Any help would be appreciated. Keep a tight line.

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I am planning to try fishing in Alaska this coming june and am interested in dry fly fishing in  fairly quiet places. I would like to do this fairly inexpensively. I have about 10 days to spend. Any help would be appreciated. Keep a tight line.

There are ways to fish Alaska fairly inexpensively after you get here. The biggest expense is the cost of an airline ticket.  Once here, the USFS has cabins they rent for $25/night on some excellent fishing systems.   What species are you specifically interested in?  Southeast Alaska has cutthroat trout, steelhead, rainbow fishing in June.  The Bristol Bay area is known for its outstanding rainbow fishing. Let me know some specifics on what your interested in and we have informational leaflets that I can send to help you out. Doug Jones

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