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I am a beginner at fly fishing (Boy, what fun??). Among the many questions that I have is about a creel. How is it used, do you just put a freshly caught fish in the creel, or what?

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A creel is simply a basket to hold freshly caught fish, instead of putting them on a stringer. I’ll assume you’re talking about wicker creels (the weaved wooden kind.)  If you’re going to use a creel, it’s a good idea to put a layer of damp moss in it, to keep the fish cool and to keep it from drying out. I’ve read before that people even stick a layer of moss between each fish, to keep them fresh. you can either wear the creel with the help of a shoulder strap, or leave it on the bank until you need it (the latter would be easier on your shoulder, but it would mean slogging back to the bank when you wanted to keep a fish. I don’t think there’s too many guys still carrying a creel as an every-day piece of tackle, as many fly fishers have adopted the habit of catch & release fishing, only keeping fish every once in a while to eat. Again, to answer your question tho, the creel is just a basket to keep your fish in, instead of using a stringer. I’ve read that fish kept in a creel are usually better eating (better flavor) than those kept on a stringer. Creel is also a bit more convenient to carry than a stringer when you’re packing the fish out, as the creel is worn much like a ladie’s purse (or duffel bag, if you really need a macho example) instead of carrying it out in your hand. Hope this info is some help to you. PS…you don’t sound very enthused about taking up flyfishing, is there anything you’re confused about or need help with?

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A creel is simply a basket to hold freshly caught fish,

        a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno

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        a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno

No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone… Kevin

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          a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone…

Yes, it was TBone.  The wise man was the one who said "guilt debased the meal" <g — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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   a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"…

I thought it was a "quilt" that replaced the creel? Don’t tell me I was reading that wrong, it makes even *less* sense your way. <g — Charlie…

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I am a beginner at fly fishing (Boy, what fun??). Among the many questions that I have is about a creel. How is it used, do you just put a freshly caught fish in the creel, or what?

Reed: Having come up with the "Old Men" who were still of a mind set that it was OK, even expected to "keep" the fish you caught I have a lot of experience with the wicker creel. Commonly it was lined with cedar fronds that were first wet in the river in which you were fishing thus keeping your catch cool. A fresh set of fronds was added as the creel recieved "layers" of fish. The fish was ALWAYS gutted and gilled first. The old guys commonly cut open their first fish (yep even if undersized) to examine stomach contents. Over the years my wickers were replaced with canvas. Then the canvas was left behind as fish became scarcer and privacy on the river became almost non-existant. Now the only fish I keep from the river are usually too badly injured to release with good survival chances. There is the infrequent meal when Fish are abundant. These then fit in my pouch nicely. My wickers now serve as traveling tackle boxes while spin fishing. For that they work freaking great! Especially while wading. The shoulder strap when used, goes (if wearing the creel on the right side) over the right shoulder, and then the body strap circles the torso and holds the shoulder strap in proper position. In general though creels went out of style and use just about the time when I finally figured out how to make one.  Figures! Mostly they are just a romantic and nostalgic accessory that sees little use these days. Buy some other piece of equipment instead. Something like a nice streamer wallet (also somewhat out of style but very classy), a couple of good braided butt leaders, or perhaps a nice tippet caddy. I would buy a nice streamside light for those times (everytime I am out) when you fish in the dusky dusk. These would see more use and provide more enjoyment. You could even buy some tying materials and REALLY get the bug. Tight Lines M. Wm.

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I am a beginner at fly fishing (Boy, what fun??). Among the many questions that I have is about a creel. How is it used, do you just put a freshly caught fish in the creel, or what?

He must know all there is to know about creels…

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        a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone…

LMAO!

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          a very wise man once said that "guilt replaced the creel"… wayno No, I’m pretty sure that it was Tbone… Yes, it was TBone.  The wise man was the one who said "guilt debased the meal" <g

First, I’m articulate, and now THIS!  I’m starting to worry about you Warren.     Wolfgang who is beginning to feel embarrassed by the actions of the thiasus

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Thanks for the replies. I have been fishing for bluegills and other panfish. I do beleive in catch and release, but there are times that I want to keep a few for supper.

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First, I’m articulate, and now THIS!  I’m starting to worry about you Warren.    

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I thought it was a "quilt" that replaced the creel? Don’t tell me I was reading that wrong, it makes even *less* sense your way. <g

Quilts can be bulky, and a wet quilt can weigh a ton. OTOH, a forked stick can do a pretty good job. Seriously, creels are nice to have. I feel naked without one. The wicker jobs are classic, but the canvas ones are more practical and less prone to damage. If you’re keeping a fish, kill it and field dress it ASAP, and put in in the creel. As it says, keep well soaked while in use. this will keep your catch cool and fresh. Now the sermon: Don’t keep a fish unless the stream can handle some harvest, and you intend to actually eat the fish, rather than letting it slowly rot in the fridge. Even when I don’t intend to keep anything, I’ll often use it as a streamside beer cooler. The looks you get on C&R water with a dripping, laden Polar Creel can be priceless. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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excerpt from xmision.com’s acceptable use policy "The posting of any advertisement or other commercial solicitation to any newsgroup or mailing list is strictly prohibited, except in the few areas specifically reserved for such postings."

How exactly was announcing the creation of a new Utah related fly fishing site a ‘commercial solicitation?’  The site’s not trying to sell anything. Cut the guy some slack.

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I did. He posted a message earlier in the week and neither I nor anyone else commented. This is his second post within a week. Paul

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New fly fishing website just launched… http://www.utahonthefly.com/

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I made a three day trip of the Halloween weekend and went up to Northern California to fish Hat Creek and the Sacramento River.  I got away at 4:30 am Friday and was on Hat Creek at the Power House Riffle by 10.  I actually had it to myself for the first half hour or so.  There were a few BWO’s hatching, but not much surface action.  I fished very small soft hackles, 18’s and 20’s and took a few small fish.  Then all was quiet until late afternoon.  Several people came and fished the riffles, setting up homestead sites in prime locations, swinging their weighted, indicatored nymphs hour after hour.  The motion reminded me of nothing so much as one of those oilfield grasshopper pumps. I didn’t see them catch much, and I don’t have the patience to stand in one spot that long, so I didn’t indulge. Then about 4:30 the fish turned it on.  There had been sporadic BWO’s all day long, but the fish finally got interested.  I fished "under the hatch" swinging a small green bodied soft hackle in the water just below the riffle.  At one stage I was getting at least a bump on every cast.  I brought a number of good fish to hand, and several other strong pullers got loose.  I didn’t break any of them off.  I have taken a hint from Sylvester Nemes’ books on soft hackles and use quite strong tippets with even the smallest flies–4x with #20’s.  The notoriously picky fish of Hat Creek don’t seem to be leader shy to flies presented this way.  The only concession I made to size was to tie the fly on inside a surgeon’s loop for a bit freer action. The action continued until it got too dark to fish.  I had arranged to stay at a place I had just recently heard of–Pit River Lodge.  It’s only a couple of miles east of where Hat Creek crosses state route 299.  It was originally the work camp for the construction of the Pit River #1 Power House in the 20’s.  It became an executive retreat for Pacific Gas and Electric until they sold it a couple of years ago.  It’s a fine piece of craftsman gothic wooden architecture.  They have a restaurant on the premises but no liquour license yet–you’re welcome to byo.  A bottle of Bowmore’s Islay single malt in my luggage was a comfort.  The folks that run it are still learning the business and parts of it could be improved, but it’s nice and quiet, no TV’s, and the rates are quite reasonable.  Check it out if you are fishing the area.  There’s a web site http://www.pitriverlodge.com The next day, Saturday, on Hat Creek was pretty much a repeat of the first. Sunday I drove route 89 over to the upper Sacramento near the town of Mt. Shasta.  It was a beautiful hour drive over there with fall color being about as good as it gets for California. Take note though, the red stuff is mostly poison oak.  The weather was clear and the 14000 foot volcano of Mt.   Shasta had a dusting of snow.  I got on the river near the Cantara loop, site of the notorious herbicide spill in 1991.  October caddis were quite in evidence, but in three hours fishing I got only one fish.  But this was tourist fishing intended as a timekiller befor the main event which was to get on the lower Sacramento near Redding in the afternoon. I had been there three weeks ago for the first time and fished there all day.  Nothing but nothing happened until late afternoon that time so I didn’t see much point in being there in the morning.  Even then except for a couple of bumps I got skunked.  Those who caught fish got them on caddis pupa imitations which I didn’t have.  Going to the pattern books, I didn’t find anything that quite appealed to me, but I got some inspiration for a soft hackle.  It was pretty simple–orange thread, a body of tannish brown ostrich herl twisted into a chenille with a dubbing loop, gold crystal flash rib and partridge hackle.  The herl chenille has the appearance but not the effect of bulk. I got on the lower Sac at Cascade Park in Redding about 2:30.  It was very quiet until about 4.  The Redding Fly Shop suggested BWO and caddis imitations.  I went with my little green soft hackle that worked so well on Hat Creek.  I hooked up with an small but suprisingly strong fish on that fly.  By this time there were getting to be a lot noisy rises around me, but I stuck with that fly.  A bit later I got into a good fish, about a 15 inch rainbow.  This started the Pfleuger music–a couple of good runs and some minutes of bulldogging to bring him to hand.  He was actually snagged in the lower jaw, but soundly enough to be brought in.  By this time the snapping rises were going on all around me and the air was full of caddises fluttering about.  I decided it was now or never to try my new fly.  The first cast and swing got a real hard hit but no hookup.  It was hard enough that I retrieved to see that I still had a fly, even with the stout tippet I favor.  It was ok.   I cast again–nothing.  Third cast…a couple of mends…the fly is about to turn the corner and swing across…bang!  Rrrrrrrrrr–that beautiful sound, and that was all the testing that fly got.  By the time I got that fish in, revived and released, it was too dark to fish.  I got multiple runs with that lovely music including the last one when I got her in the net the first time and she jumped out.  She taped 24" of prime lower Sac Rainbow, biggest fish I’ve caught yet.  I plan more testing of this fly… Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Good trip Mike,    The last time I was at Hat Creek during the day and things were quiet, I took a nice Rainbow just below the bridge to the power house by casting a Western Coachman across the stream and swimming it slowly back along the edge of the rocks. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 I made a three day trip of the Halloween weekend and went up to Northern California to fish Hat Creek and the Sacramento River.  I got away at 4:30 am Friday and was on Hat Creek at the Power House Riffle by 10.  I actually

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Also try http://www.floridaflyfishing.com Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

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This is a good start. I’ve fished with this guide several times on West Coast of Florida. He knows his stuff. rgill http://www.gianttarpon.com/fishingguide.htm Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

– How very simple life would be if only there were two of me A restless me to drift and roam a quiet me to stay at home.                    from "The Double Life" by Don Blanding

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I am not a fly-fisherman, but I do have a site that includes a list of over 100 South Florida guides on the internet, including many who specialize in flyfishing trips. The guides list is at http://inshore.com/f-guides.html. On a more personal note; I have fished with Capt. Chris Asaro several times and while he allows me to use spinning tackle, he really does prefer fly. He has his own site at http://www.sightfish.net/ . Jim Sawyer www.inshore.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

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Any local info on fishing with Fly in Florida ? Out of towner (Actually out of country – London England) is trying to plan some Saltwater Fly fishing from Skiffs in Florida – any info or help appreciated. I need to identify region, accomodation & a guide with a boat .. Everything in fact !

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Hit the same stream today, Monday, with my son on his 11th birthday. Arrived around noon, air temp pushing 70 degrees and a cloudless day. We run into one other fisherman getting dressed by the parking.  We agree he’ll head downstream and we’ll go up.  Into the woods, and we run into two other fishermen (another man and his son, NJ schools are on spring break), and we walk upstream a quarter mile and we’re alone again. My son swelters during the walk in, wearing his non-breathable chest waders and arrives on stream in a bit of a grump.  He hates overheating.  Realize I should have carried the waders in and let him change streamside.  I’m comfortable in my waist-high Gore-Tex. A few practice casts with a #16 pheasant tail and he’s convinced there are no fish here.  No luck in the first three pockets.  Then we arrive at the first decent pool, and two fish are rising steadily to dark stone flies. Off comes the PT and on goes the black caddis.  My son and I take turns casting.  He starts, has trouble getting the line out, and hands me the rod. I catch a 6" rainbow on the second offering.  He takes the rod back, gets off a decent cast, and lands a twin.  I land the third fish on the same pool a few moments later.  That concludes the action on the pool.  We move on. My son decides he’s enjoying sitting in the river in his waders, and throwing rocks, more than fishing and releases me (more or less) to fish.  A couple of large pools, and no action.  The surface is very quiet, and I can only assume I lined the fish. Then, 100 yards along, a compact, deep pool (at least 4 feet).  Having trouble seeing the black caddis fly, but after my second cast I see the flash of a fish’s belly taking something, and set the hook.  After a caroming fight across the entire pool, it turns out to be a fat 12" male rainbow in rich spawning colors. Another pocket, and another 7" fish.  Then my son announces he wants to leave.  It IS his birthday after all.  I’m thinking that if I’m alone, this is a 20 fish afternoon, easy.  Nevertheless, with one rod between us, we’ve caught 5 fish in less than 40 minutes, all on the caddis-stonefly. We go home, spotting a garter snake along the way.  My son grabs it, and later tells his grandmother he caught "one fish and one snake." Michael

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Just to say that the Garden State has a surprising amount to offer the wild trout fisherman who’s not obsessed with size of catch. On a stream to remain anonymous… This is a heavily wooded, small freestone stream.  Less than 90 minutes from Times Square, within two hours of 30 million people.  But on the stream all is peaceful.  No houses are visible in this stretch, just a mature hardwood forest.   NO ONE else is about, and the steep valley walls block out any possible traffic noise.  The water averages about a foot deep, cutting through some steep hills.  A series of small flats and little cascading plunge pools.  An occasional deeper pool or run.  Average width is no more than 15 feet. Arrived mid-day on Friday after moderate rain Thursday.  Surprised to find the water still running muddy with run-off.  Fishing for the first hour or so was pretty much a bust.  Water continued to run cloudy, but gradually changed from muddy to blue-green and fish started to hit. Was fishing a #14 bead-head pheasant tail for most of the afternoon, concentrating on the deeper pockets and deep pools/runs.  This was hit and run fishing, hitting a pocket with a few casts, then walking 20-30 yards to the next one. The deeper the pocket, the larger the fish, ranging from 6" to 12".  After 2 PM, most pockets rewarded me with a take.  Some with two or three, a big fish (9"+) at the deepest point, then smaller fish.  Wild rainbows in spawning splendor.  One brown.   By 4 o’clock I’d caught and released at least 20 fish. As I approached what I’d decided would be the last hole, I noticed a fish rise a couple of times.  Pulled off the pheasant tail, and put on a black elk hair caddis.  It took the first offering.  Turned out to be a fat 9"+ rainbow!  Lept twice before diving into a deep pocket, where I had to drag him out before releasing him.  First fish of the season on a dry! Michael

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I’m considering getting a spey type rod for SW fishing in Maine.  I fish a lot of tidal rivers.  Any suggestions on types of lines to consider (shooting heads or just a plain floating line ?)  My main reason for considering a 2 handed rod is to not get so worn out flailing the water with my conventional 9 wt rod.   I’ve never used a 2 handed rod but understand that it can be more efficient. Or should I just sit down and smoke a cigarette instead of beating the water to a froth when the fish aren’t biting ; ^). Thanks John

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I’m considering getting a spey type rod for SW fishing in Maine.  I fish a lot of tidal rivers.  Any suggestions on types of lines to consider (shooting heads or just a plain floating line ?)  My main reason for considering a 2 handed rod is to not get so worn out flailing the water with my conventional 9 wt rod. I’ve never used a 2 handed rod but understand that it can be more efficient. Or should I just sit down and smoke a cigarette instead of beating the water to a froth when the fish aren’t biting ; ^). Thanks John

John, Spey rods can work great in northeast saltwater. Doug Jowett, a well-known and respected guide in the Brunswick, Maine area recommends them. I haven’t used one yet, but I know what you mean about wearing out your shoulder on the 9 wt.

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Hi ! PFMJI, but the theme touches me too. I just ordered a two-handed rod, that felt very easy to throw and is a good overhead casting machine, but I doubt it’ll be a good Speycasting device, nor I expect it to be good at windy conditions. Mine will be a G.Loomis GLX 11′ 6" 8/9 wt. Does anybody have expierience with casting such short 2-handed sticks? Isn’t, for Speycasting in particular, a longer Doublehanded rod nesseccary ? Thus, I doubt, a twohanded rod is a _good_ SW-Rod because of it’s _average_ length linked with the mostly windy conditions. So I expect it to be more tiring than a shorter rod. Any expieriences ? Thanks for your time

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Just bought an Orvis Silver 15′  10 wt. fast action for sw use in Florida, both for shore fishing fast tide water in passes and for casting to Tarpon, Redfish and Snook from a boat. Neat thing of the two hander is the ability to throw 60′ to 80′ with no backcast ( a modified roll cast) thereby not jeprodizing beach walkers and others on board when fishing from a boat. Have spent 4 to 5 hours at a time blind casting with a conventional 9 ft.12 wt. for Tarpon and a 9 ft. 9 wt. for Snook and Reds and can verify that the two hander, while a bit unwieldy to store and handle aboard a small boat, is sure a lot less tiring to use for extended periods. Largest fish so far was a 25# Sting Ray(ugh) on a 12# tippet which was beached and released in about 10 minutes, and a long line release of a Tarpon (50#??) after two jumps and about 10 minutes. I’m sold on it for certain conditions.

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Just bought an Orvis Silver 15′  10 wt. fast action for sw use in Florida, both for shore fishing fast tide water in passes and for casting to Tarpon, Redfish and Snook from a boat. Neat thing of the two hander is the ability to throw 60′ to 80′ with no backcast ( a modified roll cast) thereby not jeprodizing beach walkers and others on board when fishing from a boat. Have spent 4 to 5 hours at a time blind casting with a conventional 9 ft.12 wt. for Tarpon and a 9 ft. 9 wt. for Snook and Reds and can verify that the two hander, while a bit unwieldy to store and handle aboard a small boat, is sure a lot less tiring to use for extended periods. Largest fish so far was a 25# Sting Ray(ugh) on a 12# tippet which was beached and released in about 10 minutes, and a long line release of a Tarpon (50#??) after two jumps and about 10 minutes. I’m sold on it for certain conditions.

Hi Jay, We will be using two handed, 14′ rods for Shad in the American River this spring. I think it will be good practice for Steelhead and Atlantic Salmon fishing. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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You have to drive at least a hundred miles.  If you don’t want to drive, better stay where you are. Jim

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Hmmm, good point!  While everyone is heading east, you could go west and fish the Wilson, Nestucca, etc. -Burton — 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I moved to Portland are the reports of outstanding fishing true? Put another way, can I found nice water without crowds nearby or do I have to drive 100 miles plus to beat the crowds? Thanks in advance.

If you go into the coast range, you’ll find a LOT less people. With the Cascades so close, people seem to forget that there’s another set of mountains to the West. Best of Luck,      - Ken — Ken Janik Oregon State University Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering http://www.ece.orst.edu/~janikk

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If I moved to Portland are the reports of outstanding fishing true? Put another way, can I found nice water without crowds nearby or do I have to drive 100 miles plus to beat the crowds? Thanks in advance. — I’m haunted by waters.

You can drive a hundred miles and stand in the Deschutes surrounded by hundreds of people.  Or you can drive 20 miles and fish by yourself. Nope, not telling where.  It’s just like anywhere else.  Them that can scout will find some good, unpopulated spots.  Them that can’t, won’t.

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You still have to drive awhile for good fishing.  The Deschutes is about 2 hours.  Forget about uncrowded areas unless you like to hike.  I lived there for 4 years and just moved to AZ.

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But it IS about 100 miles, or at least a couple of hours on back 2-lane roads to get there.  And there aren’t a LOT of trout waters west of Portland.  It’s surprising that trout are not so easy to find close to Portland.  I think (not by any means well acquainted with the area) by repute the best good water anywhere near Portland is to the southeast in the small streams around the Bull of the Woods area.  Anybody got an informed opinion on this? — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

Since 1990, two bodies have been found on the Roaring Fork, foul play invovled in both incidents. So, when I’m fishing for whities in one of the Fork’s deeeper holes and smell something rotting near the heap of driftwood at the back of the pool, I just call it an unfortunate beaver and head for the next hole. Mitch

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

damned, I wish you would stick to the important issues or point. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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Fereira) writes: attempted to gut and butcher her catch at streamside, a clear violation of urban fishing etiquette.  Let this be an example to all you potential poachers, jack-lighters and trespass fishermen in NYC.  There is zero tolerance for straying off the straight and narrow path here. It was yet another example of mutilation due to the result of C&R.

I’ve been told it’s bad form to gut and butcher prior to a release.             Jim

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Was she using a wet or a dry, and what pattern? Lolo Mt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

The body was determined to be a female and so the angler was immediately arrested as she was not in possession of a valid doe permit and she attempted to gut and butcher her catch at streamside, a clear violation of urban fishing etiquette.  Let this be an example to all you potential poachers, jack-lighters and trespass fishermen in NYC.  There is zero tolerance for straying off the straight and narrow path here. Stan

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: A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post :                                     Harlem angler snags body :    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed : body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. : near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police : said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. : It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. *(sigh)*  It has become an almost regular thing here in Ohio for a fisherman to discover a body. :-O Jon Porter

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What kind of fly was she using? mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill The body was determined to be a female and so the angler was immediately arrested as she was not in possession of a valid doe permit and she attempted to gut and butcher her catch at streamside, a clear violation of urban fishing etiquette.  Let this be an example to all you potential poachers, jack-lighters and trespass fishermen in NYC.  There is zero tolerance for straying off the straight and narrow path here.

It was yet another example of mutilation due to the result of C&R. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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   A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River…

Pshew…and I complain about fishing with the crowds on the pan… Perspective, man. TimW

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   A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River …

God this image is haunting me. This woman is an angler, my friends.  Better than the lot of us lashed together.  Let’s get together and buy her a bus ticket to Ennis or something, Jesus. TimW

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: This woman is an angler, my friends.  Better than the lot of us : lashed together.  Let’s get together and buy her a bus ticket to : Ennis or something, Jesus. Vail.  I hear she can catch big ones right in the middle of town. — Rick "still punchin’" Fletcher T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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would someone please repost the address for the vote on the fly tying group. thank you — Gerry Hudson Judy Hudson

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would someone please repost the address for the vote on the fly tying group.

Send an email message with one of the following two lines (and only that in the message) as the text of the message: I vote YES to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying I vote NO to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Please vote if you haven’t done so.  There are only 9 days left to vote. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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My wife and I just took up this wonderful sport, we’re taking a flyfishing class and buying, buying, buying [8 ).  I have a question about rod weight.  We want to fish lakes and streams for trout but also have a desire to fish for steelhead (I used to "crank and cable" angle the mighty fish in the Mad River, CA).  We are leaning toward a 5/6 weight, 9 ft. rod but it is probably too light for steelhead.  On the other hand, if we go to a 6/7 weight, 9 ft. rod will it also be suitable for the lighter fish, and in fact will this weight be heavy enough for steelhead?  We really don’t have enough $$ to be buying two (x two people) rods. Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.  I haven’t seen an FAQ on this newsgroup so if it is a FAQ then "Flame on". Thanks in Advance Mark — Mark Hemphill-Haley 1272 Department of Geological Sciences University of Oregon Eugene, Oregon 97403-1272

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I just started on this sport myself.  On the other hand, my friend has some good experience under his belt.  Believe it or not!  he has been using weight 6 with 9 feet in length to catch fish range from pink salmon (not King salmon) to trouts.   He had used it for many years while living in Alaska and didn’t have any problem (may be he hasn’t tell me about it yet) Anyway, it depends on your body frame.  If you have a average body frame say 5′7" and weight about 150, I recommend a rod with weigh 6 and 9′ in length.  This is a normal fly rod for beginners anyway.  One thing for sure, don’t buy any rod shorter than 9 feet because you will end up regretted once you pick up some skill.  Also, those fly rods for steelhead/salmon are quite larger, so it can wear your arm out over a long period of flipping it back and forth. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I just took up this wonderful sport, we’re taking a flyfishing class and buying, buying, buying [8 ).  I have a question about rod weight.  We want to fish lakes and streams for trout but also have a desire to fish for steelhead (I used to "crank and cable" angle the mighty fish in the Mad River, CA).  We are leaning toward a 5/6 weight, 9 ft. rod but it is probably too light for steelhead.  On the other hand, if we go to a 6/7 weight, 9 ft. rod will it also be suitable for the lighter fish, and in fact will this weight be heavy enough for steelhead?  We really don’t have enough $$ to be buying two (x two people) rods. Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.  I haven’t seen an FAQ on this newsgroup so if it is a FAQ then "Flame on". Thanks in Advance Mark — Mark Hemphill-Haley 1272 Department of Geological Sciences University of Oregon Eugene, Oregon 97403-1272

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A 6-weight is a good multi-purpose rod which you can use for drys as well as streamers.  It will work fine for the smaller trout which prevail in the Sierra Nevada streams, although my "standard" Sierra rod is a 3-weight.  However, you probably cannot get a good compromise if you want to fish for steelhead and trout. — Law Office of John L. Dodd Tustin, CA

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