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Good Morning to all,     I have been lerking in this room for about a month now. I really enjoy the information passed and the whit that is flung around the room. I decided to finally make myself known so that I may contribute (what little I do know)if the need arises.     I have been fishing for most of my life, but did not get into fly fishing until about 3 or 4 years ago. I tie, but not too well. Practice makes perfect though. Retired from the military and trying to make my way in the civilian sector. So far, so good. Maryland resident working with frank reid. He told me about this group. Thanks Frank!     Anyways, I look forward to reading more. Dan Mattice Sr.

If you REALLY want to see a bunch of fly fishing junkies, go on over to ROFF  (rec.outdoors.fishing.fly)   — A question is better debated and left unanswered than a question that is answered without debate. -Unknown

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Dan,    Just saw this and welcome to the group.  Flytying is a wonderful diversion for those who like to experience a wider range of fly fishing activity.  Now, get back to work.  ;-)           Frank

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Good Morning to all,      I have been lerking in this room for about a month now. I really enjoy the information passed and the whit that is flung around the room. I decided to finally make myself known so that I may contribute (what little I do know)if the need arises.      I have been fishing for most of my life, but did not get into fly fishing until about 3 or 4 years ago. I tie, but not too well. Practice makes perfect though. Retired from the military and trying to make my way in the civilian sector. So far, so good. Maryland resident working with frank reid. He told me about this group. Thanks Frank!      Anyways, I look forward to reading more. Dan Mattice Sr.

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I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

Dang it!  I meant YOUR! Wayne, please remember its the message which counts, not the spelling. How many fingers am I holding up ole buddy? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

_   Three! — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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Not to be rude or impudent, but I’ve noticed that you’ve both initiated and responded to numerous threads that either bear or should bear the POL opener in the subject header. Josh Haag "If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem" -Unknown (only because it’s too late for research, and I don’t own Bartlett’s Quotations) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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Not to be rude or impudent, but I’ve noticed that you’ve both initiated and responded to numerous threads that either bear or should bear the POL opener in the subject header. Josh Haag

______  You’re correct Josh. Thing is, this place is full of the political stuff I’ve tried  hard to avoid.  Well, I’ll listen to you for a change because you are not rude nor impudent for speaking the truth. Nothing more annoying than a Demoncrat fly fisherman. whoops!   Seriously, I’m interested only in fly fishing matters and subject akin to that.  Lets face it Josh.  Darwin was not a fly fisherman. woos! http://www.gink.com George Imus Gehrke  (and yes, the ‘n’ is intentional) whoops!

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"If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem" -Unknown (only because it’s too late for research, and I don’t own Bartlett’s Quotations)

"You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem". Eldridge Cleaver, San Francisco, 1968 — Charlie…

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Soul on Margin… eh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem". Eldridge Cleaver, San Francisco, 1968 — Charlie…

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Soul on Margin… eh?

Well, he did die a Republican… — Charlie…

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Yep… MOI to the end…. from Minister Of Information to Manager Of Investments I think many of us can relate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Soul on Margin… eh? Well, he did die a Republican… — Charlie…

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If wishes were beggars . . .

Horses could ride?? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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If wishes were beggars . . . Horses could ride??

Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it?

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Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it?

*The*? — Charlie…

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Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it? *The*?

Whoops! Sorry, obviously should have said "one of the countless". /daytripper (My bad!)

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Though I should be an expert at jig tieing …… Are there books on tieing jigs. Thier are many to be found for fly fishing (I just cant understand the appeal). John Jay Wirth Jay Wirth Renaissance Ink Member GPA

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Though I should be an expert at jig tieing …… Are there books on tieing jigs. Thier are many to be found for fly fishing (I just cant understand the appeal).

        Jay-         You ever tie into a 2 lb. largemouth on a flyrod? AWESOME!!! And smallies are even better!         Bob– Robert E. Longshore

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Can anyone give me some tips about fishing the runoff. The rivers up here (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) are pretty murky and fast from the recent rains and snow melt.  I headed out to the Elbow River at the weekend but got nothing. Tried black/olive wooly buggers (to me they looked just like the rest of the debris floating by), GRHE’s and Blace Dace streamers. Not even a nibble. I tied some white and red crystal streamers tonight and may give them a go. I’m thinking that maybe something white will be more visible through the murk. Any and all advice gratefully recieved KB

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In high murky river waters IMHO the best thing you cano do is keep moving and fish the margins.  The fish do not want to expend more energy than they can get from a meal.  The fast water causes them to expend too much energy so they snuggle up to obtructions – boulders, river bends, undercut banks, sand bars, downed logs.  They usually won’t move far so you have to practically hit them in the nose with the fly.  The good news is stealth is usually not an issue since their ability to perceive in murky water is limited.  I have found had some good success with large terrestrial insect patterns in high murky, summer water. Grasshoppers, beetles, bees, or imitations of large aquatics such as Royal Coachman, Humpies, Goddard Caddis and Elk Hair Caddis, fished dry, have produced some great days when the water seemed just too high, too fast, and too colored. As far as nymphs are concerned, high water dislodges tons of the suckers.  I believe the best patterns to use in these water conditions are suggestive of life, rather than exact imitations.  A furry Hare’s Ear, Beadhead Prince, and Weighted Stonefly are three of my favorites. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone give me some tips about fishing the runoff. The rivers up here (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) are pretty murky and fast from the recent rains and snow melt.  I headed out to the Elbow River at the weekend but got nothing. Tried black/olive wooly buggers (to me they looked just like the rest of the debris floating by), GRHE’s and Blace Dace streamers. Not even a nibble. I tied some white and red crystal streamers tonight and may give them a go. I’m thinking that maybe something white will be more visible through the murk. Any and all advice gratefully recieved KB

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Hi you guys.  I just read a national weather prognostication that says we may be in the beginning of a possible long lasting drought that could last for years and that we may see a lot of streams drying up in the future.  It could be worse than the dust bowl days.  Maybe we should start teaching the fish to breath air for their oxygen? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get Mark Faulkner(Snipped) I am (Snipped)

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Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get to the Little J all that much, since Spring Creek is in by back yard, but I’ll email you separately with some additional information. The question now is whether all these streams will dry up.  The upper end of Spring Creek (going through Boalsburg) is dry, as is a major trib of Spring Creek (Slab Cabin Run); some major fish kills have occurred.  Haven’t seen the Little J recently.  Pray for rain, and lots of it. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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Jim Marlin schrieb in Nachricht Welcome back to the fold Jim !  Hope you find a good fishing partner.  Hope you enjoy ROFF as well. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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Hello All, Can anyone tell me what are the best fly patterns (for trout) to use in the White Mountains of New Hampshire during mid-April?  I’m not sure which river as of yet. Thanks much! Alex

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Alex, Early black stones, early brown stones, little black caddis and BWO work here in VT…should work in NH as well. Good luck. Regards, James Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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Try the North Country Angler in North Conway on Rte. 16 just past the busy down town area.  The can tell you water conditions, hatches. etc. Paul Koulouris

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My wife picked up a bamboo rod as a gift for me from an antique store in Asheville last weekend.  The rod is a 7 foot split bamboo.  The label inside the wooden box says Grampus and identifies the name of the maker as Kiraku Co. of Japan.  It appears to be in unused condition and the guy who sold it said that the woman he bought it from said it had been used exactly once.  One of the male ferrules on one of the tips is loose.  Should this be glued on with epoxy?  Is there some other way this should be secured?  Also, I’m thinking the rod would probably look nice with a Pfleuger Medalist reel.  Any tips on determining line weight?

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My wife picked up a bamboo rod as a gift for me from an antique store in Asheville last weekend.  The rod is a 7 foot split bamboo.  The label inside the wooden box says Grampus and identifies the name of the maker as Kiraku Co. of Japan.  It appears to be in unused condition and the guy who sold it said that the woman he bought it from said it had been used exactly once.  One of the male ferrules on one of the tips is loose.  Should this be glued on with epoxy?  Is there some other way this should be secured?  Also, I’m thinking the rod would probably look nice with a Pfleuger Medalist reel.  Any tips on determining line weight?

I’d try casting the rod a few times before buying a reel for it. Those Japanese rods aren’t the best old rods around. It might "look nice with a Pfleuger Medalist reel" over the mantle. Dave — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides Home Page http://www.olfart.com

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DT My wife picked up a bamboo rod as a gift for me from an antique store DT in Asheville last weekend.  The rod is a 7 foot split bamboo.  The DT label inside the wooden box says Grampus and identifies the name of DT the maker as Kiraku Co. of Japan.  It appears to be in unused condition DT and the guy who sold it said that the woman he bought it from said it DT had been used exactly once.  One of the male ferrules on one of the tips DT is loose.  Should this be glued on with epoxy?  Is there some other way DT this should be secured?  Also, I’m thinking the rod would probably look DT nice with a Pfleuger Medalist reel.  Any tips on determining line DT weight? This happens on alot of old cane rods. First, you need to see if there is a pin that disects the ferrule and the cane. If there is you might see if you can remove it first. If not, try gently heating the ferrule over a flame while attempting to gently (or not so gently) pull it off. The heat both expands the metal and helps melt any heat senistive glue underneath. Heat only the tip area of the metal ferrule and back off the heat if you see the cane smoking. Be careful how you grasp the ferrule with pliers or vise so as not to distort or scratch the ferrule. Use soft cloth or whatever but don’t set yourself on fire. Once off, you can determine the extent of the underlying problem. Cracked, broken, just worn, or whatever, you will have to find a way to perfectly fit the ferrule on again. It will need to be very tight in the cool mode to withstand the pressures exerted during casting. If necessary, you may have to very carefully move the ferrule to a slightly different location by carefully carving around the rod with a very sharp knife, then carefully scraping the cane down to inside ferrule shape and length. This takes time but it best done by holding the knife 90 degrees to the rod and "shaving" very gradually. Remember you will be heating and expanding the ferrule to put it back on, just like you did when it came off. Don’t even think about epoxy… Ferrule cement is what you want. Most good fly shops will have it, but if you can’t find it there go to an archery shop as it is also used in arrow making. It looks like a stick of hot glue. It is used by heating and melting small amounts into the ferrule, quickly heatng the ferrule, and quickly shoving your ferrule onto your perfectly fit rod carving. If the taper of the rod, and the amount of cane removed causes an unsightly connection, you must fill and sometimes scrape cane until you acheive the desired result. Re-wrapping above the ferrule can cover some(but not many) mistakes in your fitting. Alternative methods: Buy an older reel and line at a garage sale and make a great wall hanger. If its really bad, use the bottom half of the rod and reel, and an old wicker creel on a wood lamp base and backboard to make a great flyfishing lamp. Line weight with cane rods is hard to determine except by casting. I’ll take a wild guess that your cane rod will probably take a heavier line to load up as they are a little on the stiff side. Guides may also be on the small side as the older fly lines were significantly smaller in diameter. You might start with a 6 and try a few from there. Fish with the 6 for a few hours and you’ll probably be worn out enough for one of the alternate methods mentioned above. Good luck. … nfx v2.6 [C0000]                                                        

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Anyone been fishing yet this year in the Catskills?  I will be coming home from college in early May and would like some info on conditions, ect…  I particularly like fishing the smaller streams.  Any info is greatly appreciated.  Thanks ERIC

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Anyone been fishing yet this year in the Catskills?  I will be coming home from college in early May and would like some info on conditions, ect…  I particularly like fishing the smaller streams.  Any info is greatly appreciated.  Thanks ERIC

Eric, Spent the weekend up at the Beaverkill. The Great Flood scoured the river severely, creating deep holes where there were none before, and dumping big boulders where you can be sure to trip and fall. Some say most of the fish were swept out of the Willowemoc and Beaverkill into the main Delaware. But others say the fish&game people located 38 out of 39 big browns fitted with radio antennas in much the same places they were before the flood. Others are equally concerned about the insect population. The riverbed was churned up pretty badly. Half of Roscoe campsite, just below Junction Pool, was inundated with muddy waters that left a foot of river sand. I checked a few rocks at Junction Pool and found nymphs under almost every rock at the edges of the riffles. Between the flood and the droughts of the past few years, it would be a pleasant surprise if we saw great hatches this season. So far, I’ve seen a few early stoneflies,   small caddis and some tiny Olives. Nothing to get excited or depressed about. Great Flood, was done in by a spin fisherman on the Willowemoc. It won the opening day honors on April 1st. And the state trucks were spottted stocking up and down the Beaverkill on Monday, April 22nd. As for the weekend fishing, Mary Dette described it as slow in her daily reports, which she said was to be expected in April. I met a lot of fishermen on the river, which is still running high, and very few of them had caught a single fish. I don’t want to be caught telling fish stories, but I caught a half dozen trout Friday evening on a #12 Hendrickson (yup!) and another dozen late Monday afternoon on a variety od #16 nymphs. None of them really count. They were all in an innocent looking eddy, where they were dumped by fish&game folk, or where they sought cover from the heavy water. All were the size of stocked fish, and included a couple of rainbows. One guide told me all of them were holdovers, and that rainbows, because of whirling disease, weren’t being stocked. (I listen but I don’t always believe.) Naturally, I won’t say where I caught all these trout. Anyhow, they aren’t there any longer. Every trout I caught was unceremoniously dumped into the fast riffles in the main river. It may be a little tougher in the fast lane, but they’ll have a better of escaping the two-legged, meat-loving predators. Hell, I want to enjoy those trout all season! The highlight of the weekend was the fly tying by Ted Patlen at the Catskill Fly Fishing Center & Museum. I think he tied one of everything, and had a solution to most of my fly-tying problems. He ties flies that catch fish, as well as those that catch anglers. Ted works at Ramsey Outdoors in Paramus, NJ.

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One thing to consider if you want to FF from a canoe is that you’ll be only marginally higher out of the water than if you are in a float tube; you can stand up in a cartopper, but a canoe …. Consequently, you might want to consider a longer rod (as the tubers often pack). A 10ft rod will keep your backcast drier than an 8ft one. Or, preferably, work on your casting to keep the back cast out of the water.   Sitting in a canoe you’re at least as high out of the water as you typically are when wading.  So, if you’re hitting the water behind you in a canoe, you’re almost certainly doing the same thing when wading–i.e., you casting could use some help. And improving your casting is cheaper than buying another, longer rod. Emil

I would have to agree there.  Canoes are great.  I use one on Lake Cayuga in NY, and I dont know about anyone else, but if you are somewhat able, I have never had any problems standing. Jon

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I’ve found that if you’re right-handed, it helps to cast from the right side of the canoe, parallel with its length, i.e. not across the beam. And try not to let the stripped line get tangled up in the paddle, float jacket and six-pack and/or your ankle in the bottom of the boat. When the mother of all basses hits, you don’t want to be pulled overboard to your doom like some freshwater Captain Ahab. Course, I could think of worse ways to go…. Sent Via SportsNet On-Line Services Toronto’s Premier Sports and Recreation Service Modem: 416-223-2463    Phone: 416-223-2250 Ext. 33

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Good for you!  I’m convinced float tubes became popular when folks no longer had time to lean to paddle.  For range, keeping dry and all-round fun canoes are are wonderful.  now if you want to get really frisky learn to pole upstream. — ** Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com Fine Fishing Internet Magazine                "largest fishing mag on the Net" **

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best thing about fishing from a canoe…even if the fish aren’t bitin’ you’re, well, in that canoe… Tim Walker

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Personally, I love canoes too,they are just prettier and much more versatile than any other watercraft, especially when you add options to a standard canoe. Consider these advantages: -Canoes are inherently more hydrodynamic than a john boat, and move through the water with less effort (how much less depends on hull shape.) -Because they’re streamlined at both ends, canoes move forward easily yet still easily "hold" in a good spot against a swift river current hitting the stern. -A kneeling canoeist can be as stealthy as a float tuber and cover much more water. (Though admittedly, a float tuber can move without having to put the rod down.) – A long, narrow, fast canoe can be converted to a "john boat like"  slow, stable craft by adding solid foam or inflatable sponsons (aka swimmies or water wings). These canoe ‘training wheels’ install in seconds and may not add much drag at all.  They’re a God send when you want to stand up to spot fish or when running unfamiliar big rapids. -Adding gunnel mounted oarlocks or a rowing frame to an already fast canoe will get the lone angler across the lake or up the river faster than any other non-motorized fishing craft (including a kayak). – There are "collapsible canoes" available from Ally and ScanSports which can store in a closet, or travel in the trunk of compact car, a float plane or as checked baggage on an airliner. -You can add a motor mount to almost any canoe for long hauls against wind or current. I could go on, but if you’re only going to get one craft to handle every possible fly fishing situation, get a canoe.  This doesn’t rule out the possibility that for the type of fishing you do most, another craft may be just as good or better.  You be the judge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When considering a canoe for fishing, make sure you can easily paddle it. Beamy boats are great for short hauls but if you’re going to where the fish are and the other guys in the beamy boats aren’t get a boat that you can paddle.  A solo boat is okay if you don’t have or don’t want any friends.  Suggest a boat in the 14 to 15 foot range that could handle a center paddling position ( add a seat yourself) and then you’d have a boat that could get you there. Good tumblehome to make paddling a little easier.  Suggest learning to fish from the seated or kneeling position…or if you’re real good try standing on the gunwhales 8/]) TK

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: When considering a canoe for fishing, make sure you can easily paddle it. : Beamy boats are great for short hauls but if you’re going to where the : fish are and the other guys in the beamy boats aren’t get a boat that you : can paddle.  A solo boat is okay if you don’t have or don’t want any : friends.  Suggest a boat in the 14 to 15 foot range that could handle a : center paddling position ( add a seat yourself) and then you’d have a boat : that could get you there. Good tumblehome to make paddling a little : easier.  Suggest learning to fish from the seated or kneeling : position…or if you’re real good try standing on the gunwhales 8/]) One thing to consider if you want to FF from a canoe is that you’ll be only marginally higher out of the water than if you are in a float tube; you can stand up in a cartopper, but a canoe …. Consequently, you might want to consider a longer rod (as the tubers often pack). A 10ft rod will keep your backcast drier than an 8ft one. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : When considering a canoe for fishing, make sure you can easily paddle it. : Beamy boats are great for short hauls but if you’re going to where the : fish are and the other guys in the beamy boats aren’t get a boat that you : can paddle.  A solo boat is okay if you don’t have or don’t want any : friends.  Suggest a boat in the 14 to 15 foot range that could handle a : center paddling position ( add a seat yourself) and then you’d have a boat : that could get you there. Good tumblehome to make paddling a little : easier.  Suggest learning to fish from the seated or kneeling : position…or if you’re real good try standing on the gunwhales 8/]) One thing to consider if you want to FF from a canoe is that you’ll be only marginally higher out of the water than if you are in a float tube; you can stand up in a cartopper, but a canoe …. Consequently, you might want to consider a longer rod (as the tubers often pack). A 10ft rod will keep your backcast drier than an 8ft one.

Or, preferably, work on your casting to keep the back cast out of the water.   Sitting in a canoe you’re at least as high out of the water as you typically are when wading.  So, if you’re hitting the water behind you in a canoe, you’re almost certainly doing the same thing when wading–i.e., you casting could use some help. And improving your casting is cheaper than buying another, longer rod. Emil Department of Education Phone:  (607) 255-2267 419 Kennedy Hall                Fax:    (607) 255-7905 Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853

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‘Course, I just think that canoes are wonderful so I’m biased. I can also cast 50′ easily from a sitting position, about as far as I need

to. Any recomemndations for the best 1 person canoe for streams and rivers? Thanx, Mike

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‘Course, I just think that canoes are wonderful so I’m biased. I can also cast 50′ easily from a sitting position, about as far as I need to. Any recomemndations for the best 1 person canoe for streams and rivers? Thanx, Mike

Mike,  I would take a serious look at the OldTown line of canoes. They have a few models that are ideal for your situation. I have the Dicovery 133K and it is a dream to fish from. The ruggedness coupled with the 40 1/2" beam makes it a great fly fishing vessel.                                     Best of Luck,                                                    Jay              /Leave nothing but footprints                                               /                                              /                                             /                                            /                                           /                                       O  /                                       |_/o                                       |                                      / |

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Chalk up another vote for Cargill Creek.  The shop I work in takes groups down every year in November – best time to go – and organizes trips for others at any other time.  Owner and manager are good friends with Millie and Joe.  Both have caught world class bones and have some kind of sixth sense about dem bones.  Call John or Wayne at The Troutfitter (Wayne’s is featured in a picture for Andros Island bonefishing, I think for a new Orvis ad) 315-446-2047, Syracuse, NY. Tell them Tom got you onto them through the computer (they still don’t believe this stuff is for real).  If nothing else, they will be a great source of information (John’s flies are also somewhat magic).  The trips we organize average about $2500 for a week (including, room, board, food, and guides daily – either wading the flats, poling through the back cays, or both).  John’s brother is also down there guiding full-time.  Another good person to look up if you go, and I hear his lobster/conch stew is pretty tasty.  Also, if you’re interested in Montana, these guys can provide the same information/assistance or put you on the spring creeks.  Unfortunately, their spring creek and bonefish trips are usually booked a year in advance.  Give it a shot, if you want, I’ll snail mail you some literature.  Email me back with an address or again, call the shop, they’ll be glad to set you up and get you on their trip mailing list. Best of luck, Tom Carroway

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<Can anybody give me recommendations on guides/lodges for bone fishing in
<the Bahamas.  We have a group of four that would like to go down there
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I stayed one week last July at the Great Abaco Bonefishing Club at Great Abaco. This particular destination has been featured in a few of the flyfishing magazines lately (Fly Fishing in Salt Waters Jan/Feb.’95 and Fly Fisherman March ‘95) so I won’t go into any details. As a whole, our group was pretty pleased with our stay…great lodge, good food, relatively experienced guides and some beautiful water. This is not a place to go for large numbers, but the average size was good (3-4 lbs) and we did catch some larger bones (at least I found them large) up 7-8 lbs. On a more general note, I can recommend a monthly newsletter I’m subscribing to called The Angling Report published by Don Causey out of Miami (305 670-1918). This newsletter covers flyfishing destinations worldwide, although with more emphasise on the US. The material is based on reports from subscribers as well as independant writers. This is the only publication I’ve come across that really tells you both "the good" and "the bad", where to go and even more important where not to go. Tight lines! Inge Solberg Houston, Texas

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Can anybody give me recommendations on guides/lodges for bone fishing in the Bahamas.  We have a group of four that would like to go down there this spring.  What can we expect to pay for  a decent guide with our without lodging?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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<Can anybody give me recommendations on guides/lodges for bone fishing in <the Bahamas.  We have a group of four that would like to go down there <this spring.  What can we expect to pay for  a decent guide with our <without lodging?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Try Andros Bonefishing Club or Cargill Creek on Andros. Fishing for a week with guides and room and food is about $1800-$2000. Good luck Dave

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