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P&P has a small bonefishing lodge on the other end of the island. http://www.peaceandplenty.com/resorts/bonefish.htm there is a dock, unsure if you could rent though, i think the idea is to provide you with a guide and boat. no night life though, you would have to go into georgetown for that, too far to walk or bicycle. to follow up whoever mentioned Stocking island, taking the ferry from the main hotel in town and walking accross stocking island to the exposed side is well worth the effort. the view from the top is quite nice as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich
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I know this is a boat newsgroup, but I presume many of you have cruised the Bahama out islands and Exuma. A lady friend and I are planning a vacation to George Town, Exuma in April. I would like to be close to town and plan on renting a boat. I’m looking for reasonable accommodations close to the water near a dock or marina where I can keep a boat. I prefer a place that is not too crowded, commercial, i.e. NOT Club Peace and Plenty unless someone can convince me otherwise. Any suggestions appreciated. Anyone familiar with Minns Cottages, Coral Gardens Bed & Breakfast Inn, Two Turtles Inn, Marshall’s Guest House, Flamingo Bay Hotel and Villas, Coconut Cove Hotel, Mount Pleasant Hotel? I would like to do some fly fishing on the flats for bonefish and offshore light tackle fly fishing too. Any good guide recommendations or charters? Sincerely, Rich Lamanna
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In the 80’s we had only 3 choices. Peace & Plenty, two Turtle Inn ( across the street for P&P) and another resort type place but I can’t remember the name. We really enjoyed the P&P really quaint. There wasn’t much of a town and P&P was in it. But on our second visit went to the resort type place because P&P didn’t have a beach. They own an absolutely great, private beach about a 5 minute ride across the bay called stocking island. P&P was the hotel that all boaters got their mail delivered to. They catered to boaters needs. But remember this was in the 80’s. I would go back to P&P in a minute, no hesitation. That’s my 2 cents FWIW. Joe Sand Dollar Noank, CT
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Joe, thanks for the reply. I have some friends who spent their honeymoon at P&P. They thought it was great too. What did you think of Two Turtles Inn? Did you have a chance to check it out? I realize it was a long time ago but any recollection would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rich
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Are you set on going to Georgetown? I have another suggestion -very remote – very beautiful – fantastic!!! Check out Compass Cay on the Internet. Just south of the Land and Sea Park and about 10 miles north of Staniel Cay where there is an airport. ADVANTAGES: Remote Most beautiful beach in the Exhumas 1 mile crescent shapped beach Beach "busy" if anyone else there 10 slip marina 1 lodge and 2 rental apartments friendly native owner no bars – no restaurants- no people rental boats and motors Bone fish galore DISADVANTAGES Remote No bars – no restaurants 10 miles by boat to store and restaurant Didn’t make it there last winter but spent several months there on our boat in 1999 and 2000. Fantastic if you want to get away from civilization. Fantastic if you want to bone fish. Fantastic if you like to snorkel and explore.
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Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich
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The SCYC is 10 miles south of Compass. It is located near the airport for the area. Great conch burgers at the bar. Also have had good dinner there. Colorful cabins on the water for guests. Bahamian culture – yes night life – no. Staniel Cay has a couple of local bars and restaurants, the SCYC and Thunderball restaurants and a couple of grocery stores (with most of the "sell by" dates on merchandise erased). Still serviced once a week by mail boat for supplies and mail. Airport makes it convenient but not a place where I would take a lady for a fun visit. Less remote than Compass but activities primarily boating, fishing and water oriented. If both of you are not really into that, it would be a mistake. Have you looked at the Abacos and Eluthera. Spanish Wells, Harbour Island and Hope Town get a strong recommendation from my wife. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich
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I’m gonna avoid the rush and start hating you now! I Love the north country and wish I could get back there. Any room in your luggage for me?? Enjoy! Dan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay guys — I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great white north to slug it out with the toothy critters. Am also packing a fly rod and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling. As I’ve never caught a Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect. My goal for Northern Pike seven pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 pounder. Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all about it when I return. See you in late July! —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com
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Hey Rob, On your way north, stop and pick me up…ok? Go gettum tiger and remember, those aren’t bass you’re catching so don’t try to lip them. :) —
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Good luck, Rob. We are with you in spirit at least. — Bob Rickard SECRET WEAPON — World’s absolute finest spinnerbaits! All others are now obsolete . . . See for yourself at http://inetsa.com/user/secretweapon
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay guys — I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great white north to slug it out with the toothy critters. Am also packing a fly rod and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling. As I’ve never caught a Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect. My goal for Northern Pike seven pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 pounder. Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all about it when I return. See you in late July! —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com
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Okay guys — I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great white north to slug it out with the toothy critters. Am also packing a fly rod and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling. As I’ve never caught a Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect. My goal for Northern Pike pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 pounder. Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all about it when I return. See you in late July! —– Family, Friends, Fishing Rob Storm http://www.stormsrestaurants.com
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Have a great trip Rob. If your wife packed your clothes, check your tackle box for your underwear. — Consider Him
| Okay guys — | I’m all tricked out with Bob R2’s Secret Weapons and am headed to the great | white north to slug it out with the toothy critters. Am also packing a fly rod | and hope to get in a few rounds with Arctic Grayling. As I’ve never caught a | Grayling, I really have no idea what size to expect. My goal for Northern Pike seven | pound lake trout is a baby compared to some of the ones caught from these | waters (Northern Alberta and Southern NWT), so maybe I’ll hook into a 30 | pounder. | | Hope all you guys catch a bunch of bass while I’m away and I get to read all | about it when I return. See you in late July! | —– | Family, Friends, Fishing | Rob Storm | http://www.stormsrestaurants.com
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Speaking of trollbait, looks like you have a little extra time on your hands. I didn’t fire the first shot, posted a simple inquiry about a member of ROFF that was active a few years ago and tried to calm the zoo down.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are gentlemen on ROFF, and occasionally there are dicks, but up to now the booby prize it seems, must go, to be46, we have been trolled by experts, and also completely uninitiated, but not often have we been so trolled, by an ego so inflated. There was a case or two of course, some old Roffians may recall, but these were mostly fly-by-nights, and contributed bugger-all, it will be interesting then to see if this as well is such a case, or if indeed he settles down, behaves himself, and finds his place. One is obliged of course to ask, why forty six? why not forty seven? are there no names? just numbers ? in happy trollers heaven. When one walks into a pub there, does one insult the guests? is this condition treatable ? perhaps to do with overactive testes? Balls are of course important, cojones in fact may be admired, but mostly when directed by intelligence, and not just wildly fired, beware the wrath of ROFF, although the flames of hell are hot, the flames of ROFF are awful things when directed at some snot. The smell is indescribable, and the fumes would choke a horse, so unless you want an awful singeing, then take a different course. What is the point of this charade? why bother with these things? If you wish to be insulting, there are other places you could stretch your wings. Think on Icarus then, who in hubris, flew too high and melted all his wax, your feathers may well fall off too, if you continue with these stupid cracks, and though bald eagles may be noble, bald trollers are just an ugly pain, perhaps you might consider this, before you post a load of crap on here again? We are here to talk on many things, mainly concerning fishing with a fly, and we do not take it kindly when strangers our colleagues here decry, you do not know Wayno, in fact it seems hardly anybody here, so why bother then insulting them? No one will lend an ear. If you wish to post to ROFF, then learn some manners please, an apology indeed would be quite nice, and might some appease, of course if you continue in your quest to raise some Roffian ire, don
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Sink tips as well as full sinking lines come in a variety of sink rates. If your not getting down as deep as you like, you might just need a higher density line. The experts I have read say that the advantage of a full sinking line, is that it stays in the strike zone longer. This is because the sink tips are hanging down at an angle, so that the fly is being pulled up. Some times this can be an advantage though. My fishing buddy has done great on a sink tip with a carry special and a chironomid trailer. — Terry Robinson Visit me at http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfisher23/ Terry’s Fishing and Writing place
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Kind of depends on whether you are fishing moving or still water. With a fast sink tip in moving water, the ‘angle’ is not a factor. All of the sinking portion is under, along with butt, leader and tippet (6′ to 8′), and streamer ( I don’t ever nymph with a sinktip!). Not much (at most 10 or 20 feet) of your running line (that would be the non-sinking portion of the fly line for those ‘equipment-ally challenged’ out there) would even be off the reel, allowing pretty good control over the mending and stripping that would be taking place. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sink tips as well as full sinking lines come in a variety of sink rates. If your not getting down as deep as you like, you might just need a higher density line. The experts I have read say that the advantage of a full sinking line, is that it stays in the strike zone longer. This is because the sink tips are hanging down at an angle, so that the fly is being pulled up. Some times this can be an advantage though. My fishing buddy has done great on a sink tip with a carry special and a chironomid trailer.
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Hi Claude, I don’t like sinking tip as you have a curve in the line and you can’t really feel what happen around the fly. 6 to 10 feet in average? With a floating line, an intermediate and a number 3 (or 2) sinking line, you are set for most of the conditions. Philippe http://fishing.ifrance.com * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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This year I want to try fishing a little bit deeper. hoping to get the big trout if the dry flies don’t work… I had all kinds of different answers so I hope the experience fly of this group can help. some said a sinking tip will be enough other full sinking line???? Fishing on a small lac, deepest in the middle 20 feet. average 6 to 10 feet. If I stay on the same spot and fish from shore to middle I have used the sinking tip and look ok but never seems to go very deep or deep enough to get the big old trout ? I know for sure there are some big one, a diver saw a couple very nice rainbow…at the bottom. if trolling slowly, does the full sinking line will be to heavy or ok? I plan to use it on a 5wg rod. Thanks in advance for all your help Claude
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The faster you troll, the shallower your line will stay due to the friction/planing of the line. A full sinking line should be fine at those depths if you troll slowly. You might even wish to use a very dense loop on sinktip extender (mini sink tip) in addition to your sinking line. Good luck rtw if trolling slowly, does the full sinking line will be to heavy or ok? I plan to use it on a 5wg rod. Thanks in advance for all your help Claude
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Dear Biff, In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a young man who looked into a pool of water and fell in love with his own reflection. After that he could love no other. I’m certain I am not telling you anything you don’t already know. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition(DSM-IV) Personality Disorders, Cluster B Narcissistic Personality Disorder: A pervasive pattern of grandiousity(in fantasy or behavior), lack of empathy, and hypersensitivity to the evaluation of others, beginning by early adulthood, and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following: (1) reacts to criticism with feelings of rage, shame, or humil- iation(even if not expressed) (2) is interpersonally exploitive: takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends (3) has a grandious sense of self-importance, e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be noticed as "special" without appropriate achievement (4) believes that his or her problems are unique and can be understood only by other special people (5) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love (6) has a sense of entitlement: unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment (7) requires constant attention and admiration, e.g. keeps fishing for compliments (8) lack of empathy: inability to recognize and experience how others feel (9) is preoccupied with feelings of envy I hope you get the help you need. Tz p.s. I forgotten more than you know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion. That sound simple, but it is not. Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers. You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark. If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly. So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists. Grow up. And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"? I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue, therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green. This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6. But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go? Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it? It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am. But so are you. Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider
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Fuck you. both my parents are narcissists, and they do quite well. You must love yourself first. As far as your – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dear Biff, In Greek mythology, Narcissus was a young man who looked into a pool of water and fell in love with his own reflection. After that he could love no other. I’m certain I am not telling you anything you don’t already know. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition(DSM-IV) Personality Disorders, Cluster B Narcissistic Personality Disorder: A pervasive pattern of grandiousity(in fantasy or behavior), lack of empathy, and hypersensitivity to the evaluation of others, beginning by early adulthood, and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following: (1) reacts to criticism with feelings of rage, shame, or humil- iation(even if not expressed)
true (2) is interpersonally exploitive: takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
totally (3) has a grandious sense of self-importance, e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be noticed as "special" without appropriate achievement
I have achieved, much, motherfucker (4) believes that his or her problems are unique and can be understood only by other special people
true (5) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
yup (6) has a sense of entitlement: unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment
yup (7) requires constant attention and admiration, e.g. keeps fishing for compliments
true (8) lack of empathy: inability to recognize and experience how others feel
WRONG. Fuck you. (9) is preoccupied with feelings of envy
because I’m envied by many–I envy myself sometimes, like yesterday. I hope you get the help you need.
I hope you stop judging individuals; you don’t know me; my cyberpersona and me, that is me me me, is different. I’m too cool in person. Fits your dx, eh? Tz p.s. I forgotten more than you know.
Fuck you. My bet: your a 30 year old virgin. You write and analyze like some ugly faced fuck who’s never gotten laid, much less received the love of someone beautiful. Bet my last cent, your face is ugly, you are not attractive, and therefore you are a bitter person who has only resorted to masturbation for sex. maybe in your next life… Oh, fuck you again, maybe that’ll help you get some. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion. That sound simple, but it is not. Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers. You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark. If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly. So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists. Grow up. And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"? I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue, therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green. This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6. But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go? Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it? It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am. But so are you. Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider
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as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion. That sound simple, but it is not. Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers. You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark. If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly. So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists. Grow up. And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"? I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue, therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green. This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6. But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go? Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it? It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am. But so are you. Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider
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I’m just saying 2 things here: 1) If it’s a general isue, PLEASE try the search engines 1st as not to make every week here a series f questions that has been askd and answered in 3 threads already this year; 2) DO NOT ASSUME FACTS NOT STATED–this leads to weak inductive reasoning, then misunderstanding, and ultimately bitchy posts like mine whining about the situation. I’ve said my piece, bad punctuation, grammar, spelling and all–I’m just trying to keep the group sharp and lean and thoughtful, not dull, plodding and assuming. I know I’m not so smart; many of the genius types, as Brian, and experienced one as Roy 47 and still Bipolar, John K, and Sir James have far more to offer in their life experience than I. However, this reasonibg by assuming "fill in the facts that aren’t there" must go to keep this a worthy and exciting group. To you I offended–that was not my intention; my intention is stated above. love to all, Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -as Sir James would say, I received so much mail I have to answer it like this. My being an active member of the New York Bar, an experienced attorney in contracts, negociation, but to the point, motion practice and oral argument DOES NOT IMPLY that I think I am *better* than anyone, or should be deferred to because it’s an honored status (ask JFK Jr) [laugh now]. It’s simply this–in the law, as in law school, we learn to separate fact from opinion. That sound simple, but it is not. Too many people have never considered this as they write–the stupid America slacker syndrome–bet y’all can play the shit out of Nintendo though) More importantly, I have answered to Judges, in open court (you try it) and of course in chambers. You people who have been criticizing my thought process are way way off the mark. If you had a case, and a lawyer, you wouldn’t want to face me–judges tend to trust my face and manner instantly. So you judgmental peolpe who’ve been sending the hate mail: I have succeeded in life and in representing idividuals and the City of New York for 2 years, that, well, makes your desperate attempts at insulting me, uh, uh–not bother me in the *slighest*. What bothers me is that you fools now have such easy access to all parts of the net–if you knew how utterly pedestrian you sounded, you wouldn’t write a word. Recently, a few poorly educated, though not necessarily stupid people, read some of the things I wrote on this n-g, in particualar some of my gut impressions of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that other group, which, here in NYC, deserves not a mention. I suggested that much of the 12 step stuff was silly–and it is–it juvenile, degrading, and shame producing–but that is only my opinion, and for stating such opinion (keep in mind I’ve been to 400 meeting from Denver to Sarasota), I have received hate mail–hate because it assumes, in a weak–extremely weak (sign of an awful, if any, college education) inductive argument (which here is really redundant) that since I gave the impression that "The Rooms" remind me of those Dianetics people, or a a playground for people about 50 years to old to sit in a sandbox and forever swap stories about who threw up most from the bedspins, or how grateful grateful they are that..well..gratefulness exists. Grow up. And yeah–you can talk about the "rooms"? I can state my view. My opinion was mine alone. A bunch of 12 step [people] took quite an offense, but more importantly an offense to an abstraction that they created by their feeble attempt at inductive logic: "Ian’s eye’s are dark blue, Ian’s brother’s eye’s are dark blue, therefore Ian’s sister has dark blue eyes"; and that’s not so–my sister’s eyes are green. This is *deductive* logic: "Ian has a 2 brother’s and a sister, of the 4 siblings, 2 have eyes that are dark blue, 2 have green eyes–Ian and his older bother have dark blue eye: therefore Ian’s sister and younger brother must have green eyes. So when I speak of my utter digust with the level of what is supposed to pass for linear thinking and coherent logic in this newsgroup, I am talking about the poorly educated people, most of whom know less than zero about bipolar disorder, who fly in here out of the blue, and through their pitiful use of induction, lower the discourse here considerably. We know, that in fact, only about 3 or 4 people come up with any decent incites–okay, maybe 6. But the rest is all "I gained a pound on lithium, help me"; and it’s like, where did Alta Vista, Dejanews, Webcrawler, Lycos, ad nauseum go? Like: when you get a computer, why don’t you learn to use it? It’s all part of the same thread–a soft, marshmallow American populace, poorly educated, largely obese, and utterly unable to use deductive logic; instead, we get touchy-feely Oprah-esque inductive nonsense. In the Spirit of Alexander Hamilton and the competitive prep schools and colleges in New York and New England. Something tells me I’m going to get flamed for being an arrogant elitist–I am. But so are you. Think about it–or can you do that? her ya go! [matches/gasoline] Ian Andrew Schneider
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M. Gades) writes: I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could
be SOME TEXT DELETED So, where can we find your www home page? -tgades
RESPONSE: I understand your doubts howerer, I do not have a home page. While I admit that I am a business, I am also a fisherman. My educational background is in communication and I’d like to do some things for the NET. When the time comes for me to create a page, my page would still have to bear up to the scrutiny of the members of the Newsgroups. I intend to make sure that voting is carried out by a third party like other CFV’s in the groups. This is not motivated by greed!!!
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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting. What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen.
Good idea – go for it! You talk as if there is some seperate group of people we are dependent on to create WWW sites, but all the fishing sites I know of are fisherpersons’s personal work. That is the beauty (and nuisance) of WWW – it doesn’t take a multimillion$ corporation to create and broadcast work. Because what you’re seeing doesn’t go through any committee approval process, there’s quite a bit of variance in peoples’ works. If you have funding to give some awards you can perhaps inspire people to create works more to your liking – tell us what you’d like to give us a little time before the voting starts. The Virtual Fly Shop that Mike Tucker has put together has a good directory to other fishing sites. It lists all the sites that Mike has read about here and on the listserver. I don’t have the URL handy but it is posted here on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly often. If you have an idea, put a few hours into learning HTML and get started. I was able to learn enough and make my site in a weekend with the NCSA Simple HTML editor for Hypercard/Mac. If you don’t use Macintosh your timing couldn’t be better; I hear that windows PCs can now do graphics and there are free HTML editors available for them too. ;) If you need someone to host it and cannot find an affordable site, let me know and I can put you in contact. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML Also while your there, check out the ProArts Eastbay Open Studios web site: http://www.lanminds.com/local/proarts.html (I didn’t make this but it was my idea and I’m damn proud of it)
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AMI News has created a centralized source of outdoor information that includes links to various fishing pages. As a news organization we are trying to find fishing conditions from around the world along with other interesting fishing information that appeals to a wide range of readers. We invite you to submit any and all web sites for consideration. There is NO CHARGE to link. We also invite any fishing site to link with the AMI Rec Network. Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami Thanks, Rob Brown Webmaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami
My netscape reports no DNS entry to be found for www.aminews.com.
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I’d like to submit my homepage. It is relatively new, but I will be doing lots of work on it over the next few weeks. I focus on flyfishing and I live and fish mostly in Oregon, but fish often in Idaho, and take trips to Washington, California, Montana, just got back from the Green River in Utah, and a Red fish excursion to New Orleans. http://www.teleport.com/~anthonyn thanks, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – AMI News has created a centralized source of outdoor information that includes links to various fishing pages. As a news organization we are trying to find fishing conditions from around the world along with other interesting fishing information that appeals to a wide range of readers. We invite you to submit any and all web sites for consideration. There is NO CHARGE to link. We also invite any fishing site to link with the AMI Rec Network. Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami Thanks, Rob Brown Webmaster
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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting. What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen. It seems like everyday, there is a posting on where to find good WWW information. This process will serve to organize and rate the various offerings out there and help make the info available to all. Later, we could possibly create a home page as an index to the best stuff out there. Please confine comment to the newsgroups as I think I would get swamped with E-Mail at this point. I will be sharing more details of my Idea in a few days but I just want to get discussion going.
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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting. What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen. SOME TEXT DELETED
So, where can we find your www home page? -tgades
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