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Hi Gene, I have fished several lakes and streams in that area for I have many relatives that live within a few miles from Bend.  I would reccomend the Upper Dechutes River if you like small creek fishing.  I know of a few very nice places that wouldnt be on maps and if youre interested let me know I can forward details . RW Oregon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am headed up to the Bend area of Oregon for some business the end of August. I will have time to wet a line and am interested in catch and releasing a few trout in creeks, streams, or rivers. I have an RV so I will need to stay at a campground to keep the wife happy. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, what is a nonresident license going for up there? Thanks, Gene B.

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I am headed up to the Bend area of Oregon for some business the end of August. I will have time to wet a line and am interested in catch and releasing a few trout in creeks, streams, or rivers. I have an RV so I will need to stay at a campground to keep the wife happy. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, what is a nonresident license going for up there? Thanks, Gene B.

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I am headed up to the Bend area of Oregon for some business the end of August. I will have time to wet a line and am interested in catch and releasing a few trout in creeks, streams, or rivers. I have an RV so I will need to stay at a campground to keep the wife happy. Does anyone have any suggestions? Also, what is a nonresident license going for up there? Thanks, Gene B.

Lots of opportunities in the Bend area – almost too numerous to list.   It would help if you would indicate whether you prefer mountain streams for their scenic surroundings or semi-desert streams for their larger fish, also if you are interested in pursuing steelhead – which will be spread through the middle & lower Deschutes at that time. Partial list: Upper Deschutes – Scenic moderately difficult fishing for small to medium sized fish – Numerous USFS Campgrounds Middle Deschutes – semi desert good sized trout & Steelhead , BLM mouth, nice Wash. State  campgrnd across Columbia abt 3 mi fm Deschutes. Crooked River – Semi- desert, good fishing for medium sized trout, not familiar with campground situation but sure there are several. Metolious – scenic to semi-desert depending on reach, tough technical fishing for medium to very large trout,  "       "       "       " Fall River – Very scenic, good fishing for small to medium sized trout, "       "       "       " There are also many mountain lakes that can be driven to and camped by that have good fishing. Out-of-state season license  - $48.50    Steelhead tag  -  $16.50 1-Day License  - $8.00   2-Day License  -  $14.50    3-Day License  - $21.00    4-Day License –  $27.50   7-Day License  $34.75 The steelhead tag is included in all daily licenses. Bob Weinberger

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Ok here is my sob story. I am going to Phoenix to shoot the Kachina Open a skeet tourniment which ends on the 3rd of March. I cannot fly back to DC until the 5th of March. I have a whole day to kill anyone availalbe to take wayward Marine fishing? If I had the extra $$$$ I would go with a guide. I know that it is a shot in the dark. You can check out my webpage www.isoa.net/~rausman to find out more about me and what I do. Thanks for taking the time today . Ron

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Ron, You might be in luck.  That very weekend is the International Sportsman Expo.  If you have some time to stop by the expo you there’s a lot people will be around that can give you some ideas.  Below are websites for my fly club and info about the sportsman’s expo.  Our club will have a booth at the show. Good Luck, Eric http://www.desertflycasters.com/ http://www.sportsexpos.com/consumer/pr.cfm?locationnumber=6

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I will be up at Ben Avery working the registration desk and shooting. I wish that I had the time. If you get done early on sunday come up to the range the shoot offs will be going on and I will be getting read to ride up to flagstaff. Thanks Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron, You might be in luck.  That very weekend is the International Sportsman Expo.  If you have some time to stop by the expo you there’s a lot people will be around that can give you some ideas.  Below are websites for my fly club and info about the sportsman’s expo.  Our club will have a booth at the show. Good Luck, Eric http://www.desertflycasters.com/ http://www.sportsexpos.com/consumer/pr.cfm?locationnumber=6

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Since I’ve relocated to Massachusetts, I can’t help. But I can tell you to head north out of Phoenix on I-17, take Rt. 260 toward Cottonwood, and head north on 89A. For the full effect, take Hwy 69 into Prescott and then follow 89A all the way to Flagstaff. Oak Creek Canyon is God’s Country – one of the most beautiful places on earth. Not to mention all the high desert and red rock area you’ll pass along the way. You may decide not to fish because you’ll be stopping every five minutes to take pictures. Believe me, you can easily kill the entire day. I’ve done it several times while (not?) attending seminars in Phoenix. Tim Very jealous, and longing for the Great West.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok here is my sob story. I am going to Phoenix to shoot the Kachina Open a skeet tourniment which ends on the 3rd of March. I cannot fly back to DC until the 5th of March. I have a whole day to kill anyone availalbe to take wayward Marine fishing? If I had the extra $$$$ I would go with a guide. I know that it is a shot in the dark. You can check out my webpage www.isoa.net/~rausman to find out more about me and what I do. Thanks for taking the time today . Ron

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Yes I am retiring soon. So sign me up for that PFC program. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to Phoenix to shoot the Kachina Open a skeet tourniment which ends on the 3rd of March. I cannot fly back to DC until the 5th of March. I have a whole day to kill anyone availalbe to take wayward Marine fishing? If I had the extra $$$$ I would go with a guide. Hey Gunny, are you retiring from the Marines this summer?  We have some old decrepit retirees in this bunch, so welcome aboard as a PFC and a newly retired Marine. If you’re not retiring, then unregard the foregoing. Many years ago I did some competitive shooting in the Air Force, never made it to the Nationals though, they wouldn’t allow flintlock muskets.  Naw, we just fooled around with M1 Garands and 1917 03A3 Springfields. Can’t help you out with your dilemma in Phoenix though, but have a good time. Frank Church USAF RETIRED

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I am going to Phoenix to shoot the Kachina Open a skeet tourniment which ends on the 3rd of March. I cannot fly back to DC until the 5th of March. I have a whole day to kill anyone availalbe to take wayward Marine fishing? If I had the extra $$$$ I would go with a guide.

Hey Gunny, are you retiring from the Marines this summer?  We have some old decrepit retirees in this bunch, so welcome aboard as a PFC and a newly retired Marine. If you’re not retiring, then unregard the foregoing. Many years ago I did some competitive shooting in the Air Force, never made it to the Nationals though, they wouldn’t allow flintlock muskets.  Naw, we just fooled around with M1 Garands and 1917 03A3 Springfields. Can’t help you out with your dilemma in Phoenix though, but have a good time. Frank Church USAF RETIRED

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Seeking infro. on salt water fly-fishing in the DR, thankx in advance, Stan

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J R Hartley is the person to ask

Seeking infro. on salt water fly-fishing in the DR, thankx in advance, Stan

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lol, i couldn’t resist it! — Tune into my radio station. Playing the best in rock 24 hours a day! http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=cougar_ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HA,HA Cougar Ric! How many years have you been waiting to say that?? — –Sent via BritishExpats Forums: http://britishexpats.com

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I am most definitely interested; but be advised it can approach "combat fishing" during the height of the run, especially at the well-known holes. E-mail me your address & I’ll snail mail you a couple simple shad flies that produce well.   You can tie these things in your sleep.   Late April, early May is the time to go.   I’d definitely recommend a sink tip line over full sink or split shot.   4 wt to 6 wt. is fine.   It’d be a great time to hook up w/ you again.   The guys at the Edge are usually up on the latest status of the run when the time comes. Joe F.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run?  I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local assistance in my first attempt.  Should start tying now as I don’t think these things will be eating the same munchies that we’re planning for the Penn clave. I have no idea on where to go or what tackle to bring.  I’ll host if some one can give me some particulars and guide.           Frank Reid

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Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run?  I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local           Frank Reid

Frank, Frank, Frank…..I hate to sound like a broken record, especially since my fish of preference is trout, but I can spot a bus load of fishermen on the Rappahannock, at the right spot, on the right day (actually night), and let you catch Hickory and American shad until you tire and beg for mercy.  Fly of choice will be #8 Clouser in pink/white. Plan on being there at the end of April and we can fill up on chili and beer before we slide over the couple hundred yards to the river. The occasional big striper keeps the small rod (6 wt.) users on their toes. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Which reminds me, if anyone is on their way from the South on the way to the Penn. Clave and wants to stop off in Fredericksburg on the way, the shad run is slowing down, 2nd striper run getting underway, smallmouth fishing heating up BIG TIME, and you will have to drive less than 5 miles off I-95. Frank has some great waters for shad in Maryland and a late April shad Clave for the day would be a hoot. — Wayne (Penn. Clave still up in the air for me) To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Frank, Frank, Frank…..I hate to sound like a broken record, especially since my fish of preference is trout, but I can spot a bus load of fishermen on the Rappahannock, at the right spot, on the right day (actually night), and let you catch Hickory and American shad until you tire and beg for mercy.

Wayne, Wayne, Wayne…   As great as the Rapp may be, the Susquehanna and Deer Creek are but 20 minutes from my door (and probably Lou T. as well), and less than an hour for Frank.   Plus, it doesn’t require another license purchase.   I’ll definitely be down for the smallies in August, but I’ll most likely support my local shad.  :-) Joe F. Then again, Easter weekend falls near the beginning of the run, and a family camping trip might be arranged.  "Hey hon, how about we try someplace to the south, say along the Rappahannock in Virginia?   What, the shad run is on? I had no idea!"  :-)   Give me a town name for reference.

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Then again, Easter weekend falls near the beginning of the run, and a family camping trip might be arranged.  "Hey hon, how about we try someplace to the south, say along the Rappahannock in Virginia?   What, the shad run is on? I had no idea!"  :-)   Give me a town name for reference.

I would try to slip up there and fish for Md. shad if you do a shad- calve.  They are smaller and not as pretty as Va. shad but it would be fun anyway! The Va. shad festival begins about Easter weekend this year with the nearest town being Fredericksburg.  Campgrounds nearby both ways, upriver at the begining of smallmouth season or close to I-95.  When the (*&%&^#$% mail server comes back up at my home e-mail account I’ll tell you EXACTLY which town and which hole to fish in. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run?

Okay, now you have me thinking about it, so I have to ask.   If we do a one-day thing, a week day would be better crowd-wise.   Among those who migh make it, would a Friday be good?   I’ll start some prelim looks into campgrounds (Susquehanna SP is close, but alcohol is probably a no-no) and/or other arrangements.   Might even talk SWMBO into hosting you reprobates for an afternoon cookout or something. Joe F.

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The top fly for shad in the MD area is a red over yellow streamer tied with marabou, attributed by some to Joe Bruce.  Use a long shank streamer and you can grab the hook by the eye; give it a quick turn; and release the fish without lifting it from the water or touching it.  Other two color marabou streamers are also used but IMHO, if they’re not biting on the red and yellow, they’re not likely to hit on anything.  Six weight rods are the most popular.  I use up to 4s when fishing Yellowstone NP, but always use a 6 for shad.  Two other important things are: 1. use enough weight to get the fly down and 2. The water temp has to be above (?).  I forget the temp so one of you others can fill in the blank.  I use a length of lead core line as weight. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run?  I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local assistance in my first attempt.  Should start tying now as I don’t think these things will be eating the same munchies that we’re planning for the Penn clave. I have no idea on where to go or what tackle to bring.  I’ll host if some one can give me some particulars and guide.           Frank Reid

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If you’re looking to set a date, The best days for shad fishing that I’ve had in previous years locally (Deer Creek and an unmentioned stream) have been around 1 May.  However some years the runs vary a bit.  If the shad aren’t hitting, it’s also the time for stocked trout in nearby streams. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run?  I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local assistance in my first attempt.  Should start tying now as I don’t think these things will be eating the same munchies that we’re planning for the Penn clave. I have no idea on where to go or what tackle to bring.  I’ll host if some one can give me some particulars and guide.           Frank Reid

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If you’re looking to set a date, The best days for shad fishing that I’ve had in previous years locally (Deer Creek and an unmentioned stream) have been around 1 May.  However some years the runs vary a bit.  If the shad aren’t hitting, it’s also the time for stocked trout in nearby streams. Lou

I vote May 4, Frank R. Clavemeister, Joe Beermeister, Lou Flymeister. — Wayne ( attendee-in-training) To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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The top fly for shad in the MD area is a red over yellow streamer tied with marabou, attributed by some to Joe Bruce.

Absolutely.   And a gold or silver tinsel body.   (I got mine from Joe’s shop, but didn’t know he invented them.  FWIW, Joe B. adds a single short strand of red thread as a tail, but it probably makes no difference.) I use a length of lead core line as weight

Give me a few details on that.   I always use the sink tip, and I have ST lines for both my 6 wt. and son’s 4 wt., but if I take the whole fam damily this year, I dont want to be buying a couple more ST lines for a one-time excursion. Joe F. p.s.   You ever going to let me know about those meetings? <g

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I vote May 4, Frank R. Clavemeister, Joe Beermeister, Lou Flymeister.

May 4 is coincidentally the first weekend the nearby SP is open for camping. Still haven’t checked on the alcohol regs there.   There’s plenty of hotels/motels nearby also, should the need arise.   We’ll be very close to Edgewood Arsenal (military base), & there’s a healthy hospitality biz surrounding that.   No, not *that* kind of hospitality (though I wouldn’t be surprised.) Joe F.

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May 4 is coincidentally the first weekend the nearby SP is open for camping. Still haven’t checked on the alcohol regs there.

The good news is – alcohol is allowed in the park.   Drinking at campsites, picnic tables, etc. is allowed.   Not on trails or parking lots, and loud and obnoxious behavior will result in expulsion (could be a problem there). Based on that, it’s proximity to the river, and the success of the RRR arrangement, I’ll recommend Susquehanna SP as Clave Central for the day. Further, I’ll volunteer for the Clavemeister duties (hell, I might even do hats).   Also, for those who do not have or do not wish to bring camping gear, there are several small cabins (keyword: small) that will get a comfortable roof over your head for a night or two. I will do this:   I’ll reserve a "cabin" and several adjacent sites (as insulation).   If you *think* you might attend and want to arrive Thursday night or stay over Friday, let me know asap.   For anyone coming from a distance, I’d recommend Thursday night; pre-dawn is the best time on the river. As the date approaches, I’ll offer more details e.g. driving directions, lodging, etc. as needed. Joe F.

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Based on that, it’s proximity to the river, and the success of the RRR arrangement, I’ll recommend Susquehanna SP as Clave Central for the day. Further, I’ll volunteer for the Clavemeister duties (hell, I might even do hats).   Also, for those who do not have or do not wish to bring camping gear, there are several small cabins (keyword: small) that will get a comfortable roof over your head for a night or two.

For details on the park & a pic of the cabins: http://www.dnr.state.md.us/publiclands/central/susquehanna.html Joe F.

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For details on the park & a pic of the cabins: http://www.dnr.state.md.us/publiclands/central/susquehanna.html Joe F.

Things are looking real promising for me to attend.  I’ll possibly come up after the beltway mania dies out. — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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Harford County Fly Anglers mets first Tuesday of the month at the Churchville Center.  I’ll post a reminder for the Feb meeting. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The top fly for shad in the MD area is a red over yellow streamer tied with marabou, attributed by some to Joe Bruce. Absolutely.   And a gold or silver tinsel body.   (I got mine from Joe’s shop, but didn’t know he invented them.  FWIW, Joe B. adds a single short strand of red thread as a tail, but it probably makes no difference.) I use a length of lead core line as weight Give me a few details on that.   I always use the sink tip, and I have ST lines for both my 6 wt. and son’s 4 wt., but if I take the whole fam damily this year, I dont want to be buying a couple more ST lines for a one-time excursion. Joe F. p.s.   You ever going to let me know about those meetings? <g

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Ok.  Joe, seems like you got things handled (your neck of the woods shall we say) and that weekend sounds great.  If some one would like to get our hats from the Susquehanna Hat Company, then we’ll be set. I can get a pot of chili for lunch and rig a sign.      Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – May 4 is coincidentally the first weekend the nearby SP is open for camping. Still haven’t checked on the alcohol regs there. The good news is – alcohol is allowed in the park.   Drinking at campsites, picnic tables, etc. is allowed.   Not on trails or parking lots, and loud and obnoxious behavior will result in expulsion (could be a problem there). Based on that, it’s proximity to the river, and the success of the RRR arrangement, I’ll recommend Susquehanna SP as Clave Central for the day. Further, I’ll volunteer for the Clavemeister duties (hell, I might even do hats).   Also, for those who do not have or do not wish to bring camping gear, there are several small cabins (keyword: small) that will get a comfortable roof over your head for a night or two. I will do this:   I’ll reserve a "cabin" and several adjacent sites (as insulation).   If you *think* you might attend and want to arrive Thursday night or stay over Friday, let me know asap.   For anyone coming from a distance, I’d recommend Thursday night; pre-dawn is the best time on the river. As the date approaches, I’ll offer more details e.g. driving directions, lodging, etc. as needed. Joe F.

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Any one up for a mini-clave (excuse for a single day out) for the shad run?  I’ve never tackled these slimey buggers and would like some local assistance in my first attempt.  Should start tying now as I don’t think these things will be eating the same munchies that we’re planning for the Penn clave. I have no idea on where to go or what tackle to bring.  I’ll host if some one can give me some particulars and guide.           Frank Reid

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I would appreciate any recommendations from people on good places to stay in Montana for a week in August. Wishes are: reasonably close to good fly fishing, right on or near some water would be excellent; a cabin with some personality and a kitchen in a somewhat private, open setting (not a town); fairly quiet with a small number of other guests; prefer moderate price, premium price for perfect spot OK. I’m open to any location in Montana, but am somewhat familiar to Twin Bridges area and liked it a lot. Also liked fishing in Yellowstone Park rivers so near that might be good. Have not fished Big Hole, hear I should. Any suggestions very much appreciated. Thank you. AWilson

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I would appreciate any recommendations from people on good places to stay in Montana for a week in August.

August is generally (but of course not ALWAYS) the worst month of the year. It’s hot, and the water levels are low, and the fish  (specially browns) are in a nocturnal phase then. August should be particularly skunky this year, as we have an anemic, El Nino snow pack–Utah and Colorado got all our snow.     At that time of year, the best fishing is at high altitude: beaver ponds, small brook trout creeks and mountain lakes. —  * Center for Computational Biology  * Montana State Bozeman  (406) 994-7061  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy */

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You may want to try some attractant, it may or may not actually attract them but the confidence boost can do wonders.  Try some beef liver cut into strips, it stays on the hook better.  If you own a pair of binoculars use them.  Most of all have fun and don’t give up! I promise fish will come, I saw (on TV) a trout hit a trolled plastic Batman action figure and your using better bait then that. Chris www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/4724/

Last summer my kids used gummy worms at my father-in-law’s farm pond, and caught a couple of catfish and a largemouth.  It was a very hot day though, and before long, the rest of the worms had melted into one big glob  :-(

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.ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME .. Just to add to the last angler’s comments…….Never wash your hands with soap…..If you have to, use some Berkeley Erase and put on your hands. Good fishin’ Garry

You may want to try some attractant, it may or may not actually attract them but the confidence boost can do wonders.  Try some beef liver cut into strips, it stays on the hook better.  If you own a pair of binoculars use them.  Most of all have fun and don’t give up! I promise fish will come, I saw (on TV) a trout hit a trolled plastic Batman action figure and your using better bait then that. Chris www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/4724/

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Try livebait, if you don’t catch something soon, change body of water; experiment!… Take your time and observe what’s going on around you  [and definitely, READ].

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Some basic rules :  Use purple or Grape colored 6in. plastic Throw in rock piles & heavy brush near shoreline off the main channel move plastics about 6_12 in. at a time in slow or fast jerks. Always pause for a moment between jerks. thats when you watch the line for twitches . At this point set the hook as hard as you can.                  try this.

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 T I M E…YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT YOUR TIME IN…..AND AS FAR AS YOUR NEIGHBORS GO…TELL THEM YOUR A CATCH AND RELEASE TYPE OF GUY…CONSERVATION…..YOU WANT YOUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN TO CATCH FISH ON CATCHING SOME FISH ,START FISHING AROUND OTHER PEOPLE,WATCH WHAT THEY DO!!!!!!! HOW THEY CAST,BAIT ,RIG THEIR POLES….TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE LURE,SLOW,FAST,BROKEN RETREIVE) DONT BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS…GO TO A COUNTY LIBRARY…READ….ORRENT A MOVIE…THEY SHOULD HAVE INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO’S ON ALL TYPES OF FISHING….ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME …I HOPE THAT WILL BRIGHTEN YOUR

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Suggest you try Lafayette Reservoir during the winter months for trout.  Use four pound test, with a small slip sinker, that ends at a snap swivel; a leader of 18" to 24" with a snap swivel on one side and a size 14 or 16 gold treble hook on the other; baited with rainbow, flourescent orange, yellow or green power bait.  Take a row boat to the East Cove in the morning before the sun hits the water.  Cast and let it settle to the bottom – wait.  This is a great way to catch stockers up to 5 lbs.   It is what I usually do when the Sierra is in a cold freeze until the rivers are open for flyfishing.  Wear WARM CLOTHES.  Tight lines. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i love to fish. the problem is, i don’t know how. i usally fish the stocked lakes here in the san francisco-east bay because it’s the only type of fishing that my work schedule will allow me to do.i fish for bass, trout,and catfish.i use a bigger seperate pole for the cats, using chicken livers, while throwing spinners and plastic worms for bass , and power bait for trout, but i never catch any fish. maybe i need rigging skills, i don’t know, but my nieghbors always see me leave with poles and come home with no fish, but it’s even more embarassing when i take some of the son’s of my wifes friends, (or even worse) my own 5 year old daughter who only likes to go when we catch fish.                                                              please help                                                                   cakeman300

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i love to fish. the problem is, i don’t know how. i usally fish the stocked lakes here in the san francisco-east bay because it’s the only type of fishing that my work schedule will allow me to do.i fish for bass, trout,and catfish.i use a bigger seperate pole for the cats, using chicken livers, while throwing spinners and plastic worms for bass , and power bait for trout, but i never catch any fish. maybe i need rigging skills, i don’t know, but my nieghbors always see me leave with poles and come home with no fish, but it’s even more embarassing when i take some of the son’s of my wifes friends, (or even worse) my own 5 year old daughter who only likes to go when we catch fish.                                                              please help                                                                   cakeman300

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.ONE LAST THING …SCENT OF YOUR HANDS HEAVY SMOKING,GREASE ,OIL WILL DETER A FISH FROM BITING,ANY LURE MOST OF THE TIME ..

Just to add to the last angler’s comments…….Never wash your hands with soap…..If you have to, use some Berkeley Erase and put on your hands.  Good fishin’ Garry

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I’d say Chris covered the best basics, and I’d like to add this cause it happened to me when I started fishing years ago. Do not,I repeat, do not sit around all day Saturdays watching Dance, Houston, Winkleman, Orlando, Lindner,etc , because you’ll wind up tossing 2oz.spinnerbaits, porko fanbelts, carolina rigs, pop-r’s and  rattletraps  tied to 50 lb spiderwire  on some big ass 7 foot pole. Your on a "shit" streak,so rig light line no bigger than 6lbs. for a while. Remember that plastic worms are still on record as catching more bass in more situations than any other lure including live worms. When you are absolutely sure you are fishing too slow, …. SLOW DOWN some more!  "Do sumpin" lures often do something all right .. they keep you casting and retrieving so much,a fish would need a rocketpac just to catch the ‘ damn things! hope this helps ..Saint                                            *Z*  ~ The Saint                                                        

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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England? Bill W

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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England?

Bill, Vermont Trout Streams by Farrow Allen is an excellent resource.  It is published by Northern Cartographic in Burlington Vermont.  Fly Tiers Heaven website is a local fly shop that stocks many regional books.  Hope this helps. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Does anyone know any books published on the topic of flyfishing and/ or tying for the trout of New England? Bill W

Hi, A really good book, but just for Vermont is : Fishing Vermont’s Streams and Lakes by Peter Cammann, published by Backcountry Press. I assume there are similar books for other N.E. states, but my sister lives in vermont, so there you go. Bill

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At least for Maine there are some books by a guy named Al Raychard, "Allagash" by Dean Bennett, and "Complete Guide to Fly Fishing Maine" by Bob Newman. Chris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -[snip] Now pardon me while I go and bake this Steelhead.  The only one I kept this year out of thirty released. Sincerely, Mr. Gink — MZ          You should be commended for releasing 29, not admonished for keeping one.Seems to me that you might be better to lambast someone who threatens the existence of the population by unchecked and uncontrolled unethical outlaw activity. The only real sin in using a resource is in waste or destruction of it. The resposibility that comes with the right of use is to insure protection from waste and destruction. Careful management (by management I don’t mean stocking programs) t

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a steelhead let alone caught one – steelhead are extrememly resilent; mortalities are low with all sorts    of tackle; in BC steelhead for hatchery brood are kept for week and even   months and mostly caught with hook and line; mortality is less than    5% well under – for a good steelheader 30 a year isn’t a large number – chances are of the 29 George released none died So while what you say is nice it doesn’t relate to the post. Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -. I probably never visit that place again, for fear that I may slip and mention that I actually use HOOKs to catch fish. I not making any comparisons between he and you, mind you. Oh, I love the Gink, by the way.                                     Tight lines,                                     Stephen Di Cerbo

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I think C&R itself has contributed more than many of us would care to admit to the degradation of many trout waters.  It has created a false sense that because we C&R we in doing so commit no harm, so we may go and do as we please.  I know of at least 2-3 C&R only waters that today absolutely suck as fisheries, because the bottoms are all ripped up, the banks all pounded down and the fish C&R’d to death.

All too often, c&r is used as a way to "fish more," and feel good about it.  More and more, I have heard people say that if they were keeping fish on a prolific stream, they might be done fishing in less than an hour, but if they release everything, they can fish all day.  Most of them accept that c&r mortality is probably around 10%, but believe that their personal rate is much lower, like 1%.  Some of them learned to flyfish about a year ago. Fishing less can be difficult, but face it, catching 50-100 fish in a day sounds a lot like gluttony, IMHO.  There’s no reason to catch more fish when you’re releasing them than you would if you were keeping them (is there?).  It’s more difficult to be sure, since you’re not restricted by law, but by self-discipline, but it can make for a more relaxed day when you’re not trying to see how many fish you can catch in a day. CQ

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IN support and response of George and others I too forward some opinions. Heritage is but an eliquant excuse.  I believe that within the FFing community those who take a fish or two are considered as unholy.  Many threads have been spun on this topic i know.  THe point I wish to make is that the users of ANY resource are diverse.  The chance to keep fish is what fuels some, and the chance to C&R others.  What must be remebered by all us is the resource. Many different management stategies have been tried across north america, some working and some not.  The C&R strategy is but one.  I think as we sit and look at others and their use within a strategy that moderation and toleration are required.  A quote to potententially contemplate "Anyone can manage the resource.  It’s managing the users that presents the problem" Aldo Leopold. Something else to consider on this topic is the basic population structure of a fishery.  To look at the number of any one age of fish graphically sees many young and few old (or small/large).  THis is the basis for the slot limits some of you may know so well.  This method allows for both C&R volentary or regualted as well as kill, always keeping the population in mind. Finally to end this rant, FF’ers are but one of the multitude of fishers out there.  We tend to fish streams and fish for trout and that’s where our world ends.  In Canada, Ontario where I live each spring on any lake whihc holds pickerel (Walleye) a floatila of boats forms whihc one could walk across (in certain places).  These anglers do not sport flyrods and do intend on taking fish home.  So then in looking at all fishermen of all types, I would put forward the thought that keeping fish is "what’s done" and C&R is still a mystery to most. What I advocate is a concern for the resource by each induvidual.   Understanding whats going on within a system allows for true concern and protection of any system.  To just do something because it’s the "norm" is not the way to manage or use a resource. Thoughts to consider every time one goes fishing.  The act of wading may be of greater concern then catching a realesing or keeping a fish.   Further that the fish most of use seek are "naturalized", that is with little exception rainbows came from west slope drainges (i.e. the pacific), browns came from germany and brookies from the north and east. The fish we seek are aliens which forced out the natives.   Don’t get me wrong, I love to fish, and fish for rainbows, and browns, these are just things to consider. Ian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well said; I agree completely. it’s time to move beyond a simple C&R vs C&K debate and find ways of returning quality to the experience. And who gets to define Quality of Experience ?  I could catch a 15 pounder from the Frying Pan river and have zero QOE. TimW There was a time when openning day on the Battenkill was an event! People arrived the evenning before, built fires, drank some, swapped stories…now days you are very lucky to find a fisherman on the Battenkill, much less catch a fish…in fact VT Fish and Game have been trying to complete a creel study on the river but have not been able to survey enough fisherman…because the fisherman aren’t there!  Now, a big part of the Battenkills problem has been the 12 fish limit on the river and live bait fisherman killing their limit.  There is no quality experience left for anyone…period!  Somewhere out there is the balance that will restore the quality of experience for all fishers…being absolute about any one agenda..other than doing what is right for the fish…is not going to return the quality fishing experience to the Battenkill.

Extremely interesting to me.   I might have to give the Battenkill a whirl, sounds like my kind of river. Give me the possibility of a fish, however remote, and solitude over many fish and fishermen any day of the week. TimW

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Nice post,

Yes, it was….. but Catch and Kill is far from the greatest threat to our fisheries.

I would say amen to that. In fact I think one could argue that management of a fishery may well require some catch and kill to maintain a healthy population.

It will require much more than that.  It will require a whole different approach.  Lotteries, moratoriums, and other methods of reducing the usage of our trout waters are needed to reduce habitat degradation and to promote renewal of wild stocks. But lets talk *Heritage* for a moment.  Lets talk about the Heritage to cut the forest, mine the mountains and use our rivers for sewers. We pass off these heritages as *Rights*…I find it very difficult to accept from some of the people that post to this newsgroup their obsession with catch and release, and their unwillingness to be equally militant regarding the damage done by industry to our streams.

I too find it difficult to accept this near-religious fervor many hold for the "Sacred Cow" (C&R), especially when the real damage to our waters continue unabated. I think C&R itself has contributed more than many of us would care to admit to the degradation of many trout waters.  It has created a false sense that because we C&R we in doing so commit no harm, so we may go and do as we please.  I know of at least 2-3 C&R only waters that today absolutely suck as fisheries, because the bottoms are all ripped up, the banks all pounded down and the fish C&R’d to death. I’m not advocating C&K here.  What I am advocating is a kinder & gentler approach to how we view our rivers, and what we as fishers are doing to them.  We need to lighten up. </c — Chaz Clover "Hemoroids. There, I said it!"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is my view that although Catch and Kill is viewed by many as ‘A Heritage’ to a right to kill is in fact rightfully going the way of the passenger pigeon and bison mentality.  Like it or not.  This is not to say that taking fish to eat that are within the legal limit is wrong. It is getting to be tougher or harder to justify the taking under the old ruse of need.  As our wildlife inventories decrease daily under the weight of a burgeoning population explosion, the concept begins to sink in its own quicksand

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Destination question for the group: I am planning (on very short notice) a family vacation to Destin/Panama City, Fla.  Should be arriving down there Saturday 6/24. I’ll be driving this time, so I’ll have my vehicle at my disposal. The trip will be heavily slanted towards keeping my wife (not a fisherman) and my three kids (8,6 & 4) happy, but I will have some time available for myself. I assume there’s inshore opportunity for speckled trout, redfish, maybe small tarpon and even snook. On previous trips I’ve been able to do a little evening/morning fishing scattered in here and there. I also usually get away with a half day or so of fishing. The 1/2 day will probably be spent fishing off a party boat or "six pack" type charter. As far as tackle goes, I have to admit I havent much experience with salt water fly fishing. There are no saltwater opportunities in Missouri I’ve got a few BIG deceivers that I’ve used for yellowtail, baracuda and bonita off boats out of southern CA & baja Mexico. I also have an assortment of jigs & plugs for my spinning & casting tackle. Most of this is your typical heavy lead jigs and lipped diving plugs like "Cisco Kid". I’ve got a Sage 890RPL. I use an 8wt Bass Bug Taper line on it. The reel is a Lamson 3. There’s about 100 yds of backing. I’ll also be taking a 7 1/2′ spinning rod with 200+ yds of 17lb mono. I haven’t booked a room yet, but I’m sure we’ll be staying beachfront. So here come the questions:  1) Where to fish  2) What to fish with, epecially inshore in the surf or around     jetties/piers/bridges. I am no longer into chucking a hunk     of squid or shrimp out and seeing what happens. I don’t need     to use fly tackle exclusively, but that would be nice.  3) Any advice along the lines of how to spend the 1/2 day fishing     trip. Open to almost anything.  and 4) What kind of things other than the beach and pool are there         to do for the family.  *** THANKS IN ADVANCE! ***  -Mark-              ,              O          .:/          Mark Devino          ,,///;,   ,;/   Sr. Recruiter   o     o:::::::;;///    APPLIED DATA SYSTEMS      . ::::::::;;\    St. Louis/St. Charles, Missouri               ‘;      "I fish, therefore I lie"

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: Destination question for the group: : I am planning (on very short notice) a family vacation to : Destin/Panama City, Fla.  Should be arriving down there : Saturday 6/24. Which one, Destin and Panama City are like an hour plus apart.   Destin and Ft. Walton Beach are just across the bridge from each other.  If you are in Panama City, I can’t offer any help. : I’ll be driving this time, so I’ll have my vehicle at my disposal. : The trip will be heavily slanted towards keeping my wife (not a : fisherman) and my three kids (8,6 & 4) happy, but I will have : some time available for myself. I assume there’s inshore : opportunity for speckled trout, redfish, maybe small tarpon : and even snook. : On previous trips I’ve been able to do a little evening/morning : fishing scattered in here and there. I also usually get away with : a half day or so of fishing. The 1/2 day will probably be spent : fishing off a party boat or "six pack" type charter. : As far as tackle goes, I have to admit I havent much experience : with salt water fly fishing. There are no saltwater opportunities : in Missouri I’ve got a few BIG deceivers that I’ve used for : yellowtail, baracuda and bonita off boats out of southern CA & : baja Mexico. I also have an assortment of jigs & plugs for my : spinning & casting tackle. Most of this is your typical heavy : lead jigs and lipped diving plugs like "Cisco Kid". : I’ve got a Sage 890RPL. I use an 8wt Bass Bug Taper line on it. Perfect.   : The reel is a Lamson 3. There’s about 100 yds of backing. I’ll : also be taking a 7 1/2′ spinning rod with 200+ yds of 17lb : mono. I haven’t booked a room yet, but I’m sure we’ll be : staying beachfront. : So here come the questions: :  1) Where to fish If you are in Destin, find a public beach on Chochtahachie (sp) Bay and wade out to whatever grass flats you can find.  The deceivers should work fine for Specs and Reds.  Maybe some crab or shrimp patterns would also be useful. The surf or jetties at east pass should give you some opportunities to strip some deceivers past some nice fish.   :  2) What to fish with, epecially inshore in the surf or around :     jetties/piers/bridges. I am no longer into chucking a hunk :     of squid or shrimp out and seeing what happens. I don’t need :     to use fly tackle exclusively, but that would be nice. Jigs on spinning gear work well but with the 8 weight you can rig up some front weighted flys that would act similarily. :  3) Any advice along the lines of how to spend the 1/2 day fishing :     trip. Open to almost anything. :  and 4) What kind of things other than the beach and pool are there :         to do for the family. Left Ft. Walton 16 years ago, so I don’t really know what is there any more. :  *** THANKS IN ADVANCE! *** Good luck and have fun. Bryan :  -Mark- :              ,             :  O          .:/          Mark Devino :          ,,///;,   ,;/   Sr. Recruiter :   o     o:::::::;;///    APPLIED DATA SYSTEMS :      . ::::::::;;\    St. Louis/St. Charles, Missouri   :             ‘; :      "I fish, therefore I lie"

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Don’t forget to take some Clousers-no better fly for anything in the salt.  Lady fish in the surf or trout/reds on the flats eat them like nothing else.

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1st week of June can be tough. Around Ennis you can hit the Madison, (but it will, probably be roiled from run-off) the Ruby and the Big Hole (it’s a haul from  Ennis but generally always fishable). Big Hole is best fished while floating. Or, you can go into the park and fish the Firehole and the Gibbons. Prince nymphs in the morning and Mothers Day Caddis in the afternoon. Best fishing is from 3pm to dark. Tight Lines! pdp

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A friend and I are planning a week of flyfishing in Montana June 3 – June 10.   I know it’s not the best time but you takes what you can get.  We do not have any specific itinerary but were planning to spend some time around Ennis, and some around two rivers. Anybody have any specific recommendations for that time?  Any specific flies?   I have heard that San Juan worms are a must if the water is up. Anyway, I would appreciate any suggestions. Bill Feinberg

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