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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph.   well, there it is fellers.  for those still needing proof… anybody got a granite chisel i can borrow? jeff miller (the other one)

O-O-OH…I thought he got you and wayno confused and then misspelled "vice"….well, I guess that’s what I get for taking as confusion what could be easier explained by simple stupidity… TC, R

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just hope i can get those words impressed on my headstone before i pass… i will of course give proper attribution to the author…

…and don’t forget the "copywrite 2001."  You wouldn’t want a bunch of ambulance chasin’ copyright lawyers hounding you into the afterlife. Kevin

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Jeffie writes: just hope i can get those words impressed on my headstone before i pass… i will of course give proper attribution to the author…

Well, hell……  I thought your headstone should read: "It weren’t the fried eggs that done killed me!"

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no…but if you’d seen me runnin out of santeetlah creek lookin suitable-for-wipin tree leaves whilst tryin to get disentangled from vest, waders, clothing and all the time havin to maintain tight sphincter control…well, it sure did look and feel like a death dance…and, true, it tweren’t my fried eggs, twas that bvd laplac mornin cookin what nearly done me in. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeffie writes: just hope i can get those words impressed on my headstone before i pass… i will of course give proper attribution to the author… Well, hell……  I thought your headstone should read: "It weren’t the fried eggs that done killed me!"

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Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph.

Jeff, are you leading a double life? Op

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Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph. Jeff, are you leading a double life? Op

You must stop these jealousy tandrums Opie boy.  You sexuality will soon reveal itself. George Gehrke "Dr. of Confusion"

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you guys are slayin’ me…. thankee! –waldo <bseg’s – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph. well, there it is fellers.  for those still needing proof… anybody got a granite chisel i can borrow? jeff miller (the other one) Jeff:  I’m going to keep that quote to post under the picture of the fly you submitted to the 2002 fly swap, OK? –Stan

– Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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gawdam stan…that’s cold. have you no pity? …only if you include mike’s verse as well… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph. well, there it is fellers.  for those still needing proof… anybody got a granite chisel i can borrow? jeff miller (the other one) Jeff:  I’m going to keep that quote to post under the picture of the fly you submitted to the 2002 fly swap, OK? –Stan

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just hope i can get those words impressed on my headstone before i pass… i will of course give proper attribution to the author… jeff

OK. purely out of pity! Jeff tried and tried, before he died, to tie up lots of lovely flies, He got his wish, caught lots of fish, and now happy here he lies. TL MC

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just hope i can get those words impressed on my headstone before i pass… i will of course give proper attribution to the author…

He’s probably thinking of the ones you gave him when the two of you were fly fishing the Pyrenees after you ran the bulls that time. — Charlie…

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grin-ing out loud funny…. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He’s probably thinking of the ones you gave him when the two of you were fly fishing the Pyrenees after you ran the bulls that time. — Charlie…

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OK. purely out of pity! Jeff tried and tried, before he died, to tie up lots of lovely flies, He got his wish, caught lots of fish, and now happy here he lies.

…perhaps i’ll have two headstones then.  thanks mike. jeff (master of the mutant fly tie)

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Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph.

well, there it is fellers.  for those still needing proof… anybody got a granite chisel i can borrow? jeff miller (the other one)

Jeff:  I’m going to keep that quote to post under the picture of the fly you submitted to the 2002 fly swap, OK? –Stan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph. well, there it is fellers.  for those still needing proof… anybody got a granite chisel i can borrow? jeff miller (the other one)

Oh dear, the kiss of death, and you were doing so well! TL MC

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just hope i can get those words impressed on my headstone before i pass… i will of course give proper attribution to the author… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph. well, there it is fellers.  for those still needing proof… anybody got a granite chisel i can borrow? jeff miller (the other one) Oh dear, the kiss of death, and you were doing so well! TL MC

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Last and only time I fished on Silver creek

don’t discount terrestrials on silver creek…also look for ties the trout are less likely to see all the time…. Eugene K.

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Getting ready to make my annual wholesale order of flies from banglerdesh and would like to get a few suggestions  from the western experts  as I hope to make a return trip to Idaho late this summer.  Will hit Henry"s area, Silver creek and Kelly creek.   Last and only time I fished on Silver creek the trico hatch was so dense I could not see or breathe  but caught a couple of trout with my royal wuff  while my mentor had  size22,24,and 26 trico in wounded shape, in crippled shape and with wings and he caught zilch.  Please mention size and color. of flies you think I should purchase.   Indian Joe I would purchase my flies from Jeff Miller [ renowned N.C.tier]     but he will not trade for Lucent sock [at my purchased price]

Would you be willing to send me your contact for your tier(s) in banglerdesh? — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Getting ready to make my annual wholesale order of flies from banglerdesh and would like to get a few suggestions  from the western experts  as I hope to make a return trip to Idaho late this summer.  Will hit Henry"s area, Silver creek and Kelly creek.   Last and only time I fished on Silver creek the trico hatch was so dense I could not see or breathe  but caught a couple of trout with my royal wuff  while my mentor had  size22,24,and 26 trico in wounded shape, in crippled shape and with wings and he caught zilch.  Please mention size and color. of flies you think I should purchase.   Indian Joe I would purchase my flies from Jeff Miller [ renowned N.C.tier]     but he will not trade for Lucent sock [at my purchased price]

Trade him for a war bonnet as they are great for at least a hundred dozen flies. Joe, you ask a difficult question.  About anything you use out east will work in the west.  It often is a good idea to save a little cash and buy flies that are hatching during the time you’re in the area.  All you need is to buy one for a pattern and spend evenings tying up a few of these and a few of those.  Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph.  Are you any relation to the Chief of that name? : ) George Gehrke Western Hatches R Us

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Last and only time I fished on Silver creek don’t discount terrestrials on silver creek…also look for ties the trout are less likely to see all the time…. Eugene K.

Good suggestion Gene.  You remind me of the time a size 12 Gray Wulff was torn to bits on the Henry’s Fork when everything else that was coming off wasn’t any bigger than a size 18.  Moral:  You never know what will work until you try it.

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i happen to have a few artist proofs of miller’s mutant… how much lucent you got left?  i’ll also consider some of that enron stuff…been hearin a lot about it lately… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Getting ready to make my annual wholesale order of flies from banglerdesh and would like to get a few suggestions  from the western experts  as I hope to make a return trip to Idaho late this summer.  Will hit Henry"s area, Silver creek and Kelly creek.   Last and only time I fished on Silver creek the trico hatch was so dense I could not see or breathe  but caught a couple of trout with my royal wuff  while my mentor had  size22,24,and 26 trico in wounded shape, in crippled shape and with wings and he caught zilch.  Please mention size and color. of flies you think I should purchase.   Indian Joe I would purchase my flies from Jeff Miller [ renowned N.C.tier]     but he will not trade for Lucent sock [at my purchased price]

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Jeff Miller is an excellent man at the vise and I personally know his fly tying signature as being top drawer.  You can’t do much better Joseph.  

well, there it is fellers.  for those still needing proof… anybody got a granite chisel i can borrow? jeff miller (the other one)

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So rw what flies will catch a big brown  at the farm? They were sitting in the weeds around me but  this old southern boy   came closer to stepping on them than catching them. IJ

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— So rw what flies will catch a big brown  at the farm? They were sitting in the weeds around me but  this old southern boy   came closer to stepping on them than catching them. IJ

You might try a big bunny leech. Or get out at night with a deer hair mouse, or even a real honest-to-God mouse on certain sections where it’s permitted. There’s a young lady I’ve heard about, who lives right on Silver Creek, who tickles those big browns under the cut banks. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Getting ready to make my annual wholesale order of flies from banglerdesh and would like to get a few suggestions  from the western experts  as I hope to make a return trip to Idaho late this summer.  Will hit Henry"s area, Silver creek and Kelly creek.   Last and only time I fished on Silver creek the trico hatch was so dense I could not see or breathe  but caught a couple of trout with my royal wuff  while my mentor had  size22,24,and 26 trico in wounded shape, in crippled shape and with wings and he caught zilch.  Please mention size and color. of flies you think I should purchase.   Indian Joe I would purchase my flies from Jeff Miller [ renowned N.C.tier]     but he will not trade for Lucent sock [at my purchased price]

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Last and only time I fished on Silver creek the trico hatch was so dense I could not see or breathe  but caught a couple of trout with my royal wuff  while my mentor had  size22,24,and 26 trico in wounded shape, in crippled shape and with wings and he caught zilch.  

You can use a bare hook in those unbelievable Silver Creek trico hatches, as long as you drift it downstream right into their Hoovering mouths. It may be unethical, but it works. Those hatches are so dense that you have to hose down your waders after fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I Found This Great New Website!! At http://www.saltyfish.cc

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North Florida!!!!  Another bullshit spammer.  I was hoping for a report on fly fishing in another star system. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I Found This Great New Website!! At http://www.saltyfish.cc

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Tony, Thanks for the tip. Do you know if Bonda PU Power Adhesive can be purchased in the USA? Thanks. Bob E.

Bob, it is available here from a few companies. The brand I’ve used is called Gorrila Glue. Woodworking supply stores will have one brand or another. Use this stuff carefully, it is messy and does not clean up easily. Bob Smith Before you buy.

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If it air cures, does that mean it will take a very long time to cure since the adhesive will be buried between cork and graphite?

Hi Mu, I think ‘cures’ rather than ‘dries’ is the operative word. The adhesive reacts to the moisture in the air or in the material being glued. It probably wouldn’t hurt to dunk the cork handle in water for a few minutes, then pat dry the excess water, before using this PU adhesive (see article in link below). I think Bob Smith has a better handle (’scuse the pun) on this than I have. Thanks, Bob, for your input. But try this for more info: www.woodworking.com/magazine/jul96/poly/ I’ll certainly be giving this stuff a trial for my next rod building project. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I was very interested to learn that his company now recommends a polyurethane adhesive. This stuff requires no mixing. It air cures, reacting to moisture in the air or in the timber, etc. that is being joined. Most importantly, this adhesive ‘foams’ slightly and fills up any space between the cork and the blank, where the reaming has not been exact.

If it air cures, does that mean it will take a very long time to cure since the adhesive will be buried between cork and graphite? Mu

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In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.10003122128550.5607- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was very interested to learn that his company now recommends a polyurethane adhesive. This stuff requires no mixing. It air cures, reacting to moisture in the air or in the timber, etc. that is being joined. Most importantly, this adhesive ‘foams’ slightly and fills up any space between the cork and the blank, where the reaming has not been exact. If it air cures, does that mean it will take a very long time to cure since the adhesive will be buried between cork and graphite? Mu

Mu, the glue will dry as fast as the stated time on the label. A little faster if the surfaces to be glued are slightly damp. Moisture helps it cure. You only put the glue on one surface of the two to be glued. I use this stuff in my woodworking the rare times I have to glue up two dissimilar surfaces. Wood to metal or Corian etc. So it’ll work well for handles to fly rods.  Two things tho. It is not reversable and if you get any on bare ( bear ? ) skin you’ll have a nice dark brown stain to wear for a week or so. Nothing cleans this stuff up. Tape off the rod blank also at front and rear of the handle. The foam also sticks to anything it touches.  Bob Smith Before you buy.

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Tony, Thanks for the tip. Do you know if Bonda PU Power Adhesive can be purchased in the USA? Thanks. Bob E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We had a club meeting the other night and I bumped into an old acquaintance who is managing director of one of the leading wholesale suppliers of top quality cork rod handles in the UK. I first met him at a fly fishing show about 10 years ago and that meeting prompted me to write an article on cork that was published in one of our game fishing magazines. During our conversation the other night, the subject of gluing cork handles to blanks cropped up. I was very interested to learn that his company now recommends a polyurethane adhesive. This stuff requires no mixing. It air cures, reacting to moisture in the air or in the timber, etc. that is being joined. Most importantly, this adhesive ‘foams’ slightly and fills up any space between the cork and the blank, where the reaming has not been exact. Apparently, this PU adhesive is slightly resilient and works easily. My friend assured me that this stuff was much better suited to the application than epoxies, that are often recommended. The brand he sells is called ‘Bonda PU Power Adhesive’ and it sells (here) for about

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0] : Vision is very important in flyfishing. : …. : I wear "progressive" bifocals for everyday getting around, but at 8", my : knot-tying distance, I can see best with no glasses at all. That’s why I : find it most convenvient to wear single-prescription (not bifocal) : glasses for fishing. They’re securely fastened around my head with a : strap. I just drop them to my chest to tie knots or extract hooks from fish. : I wear contact lenses for one and only one activity — playing tennis. : They’re just perfect for that, but they’d be awful for fishing. I can’t : see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair : of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact : lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading : glasses. Why bother? : — rw to be ornery, I’ll disagree with you. I wear contacts for about -4 diopter nearsightedness and am in my 50’s, so I have about the same problem as you. I prefer the hard contacts because they pretty much take out some considerable astigmatism I would otherwise have. My solution is to use your items (2) and (3) combined in one package which is sold as "Fisherman’s Bifocals"–polarized window glass on top and clear +3 diopter magnifiers in the bottom. Which brings up a point, that for knot tying, hook threading etc., what’s needed is considerably more magnification than is wanted for comfortable reading, in my case about +2. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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I wear contact lenses for one and only one activity — playing tennis. They’re just perfect for that, but they’d be awful for fishing. I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother?

        hell fire, i am in complete accord.  before i’d go through all that song and dance just to tie on an adams, i’d just go back to the cabin, drink about half a fifth of absolut, and forget about the fishin. wayno

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Tripper: Exactly my situation.  I just ordered my first pair of bifocals last week, but ordered my new polarized sunglasses in single vision.  I have a flip focal on my hat that works great for knot tying.  Before I got it I was always having to take off my lenses to tie knots and last season I had to clean the bottom-of-the-canoe gunk from them a few times (fortunately never dropped them in a stream yet). I don’t bother flipping the flip-focals though – I find they are too distracting to have on a brim in the flipped-up state, and since I use a wide brimmed hat, not a baseball type hat, I just have them pinned on the back brim and rotate the whole hat when I need the magnifiers. I get a lot of curious looks from people who wonder why I have lenses on the back of my hat. –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill.

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My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk.

With my prescription, the lenses would be an inch thick at the edges of ‘wide-field’ glasses. — Charlie…

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aw heck, you fellas with bad eyesight obviously haven’t heard of the pj prescription. pj’s eyesight for tying a knot is abysmal, or so he claims…so, whoever happens to be "lucky" enough to fish with him is conscripted to tie on his flies.  I’ve witnessed Peter Charles submit to the pj selective service on Snowbird Creek, even tied on a dropper as i recall…ain’t no more powerful prescription out there. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother? That’s basically what I use and, to me, it’s worth the bother just for the additional peripheral vision. I can read ‘normal’ sized print without reading glasses, but that’s right at my limit. I’ve been wearing glasses since third grade (44 years) and I plain do *not* like bifocals, especially for climbing over/under things and wading. I guess it’s just a matter of what you consider the bother is; to me distorted peripheral vision is more of a bother than an extra pair of glasses. Well, here’s a third take. I’ve been nearsighted enough to need glasses to drive since high school. And now that I’m almost half as old as Louie ;^) I’m starting to have trouble threading flies (I can read books without trouble – just can’t find the damned eye with the tippet without a struggle). And I won’t risk my eyes to any potential  injury/infection/whatever by using contact lenses. My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk. /daytripper

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My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk.

        plus, having spent a full day with you on hazel creek,  i can testify that they do a helluva job as a stand-in for a groucho disguise. wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, here’s a third take. I’ve been nearsighted enough to need glasses to drive since high school. And now that I’m almost half as old as Louie ;^) I’m starting to have trouble threading flies (I can read books without trouble – just can’t find the damned eye with the tippet without a struggle). And I won’t risk my eyes to any potential  injury/infection/whatever by using contact lenses. My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk. /daytripper

Yep.  That’s exactly what I use.  Sometimes, I interpose Orvis sunglasses with the built-in magnifiers but contacts I will never use. All of my hats have a flip down magnifier attached. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk.    plus, having spent a full day with you on hazel creek,  i can testify that they do a helluva job as a stand-in for a groucho disguise.

Hell, with my beak, ’stache, and dark eyebrows,  I *am* Groucho! /daytripper ("Say the secret word and I’ll kick your Roe-Ann County arse!" ;^)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother? That’s basically what I use and, to me, it’s worth the bother just for the additional peripheral vision. I can read ‘normal’ sized print without reading glasses, but that’s right at my limit. I’ve been wearing glasses since third grade (44 years) and I plain do *not* like bifocals, especially for climbing over/under things and wading. I guess it’s just a matter of what you consider the bother is; to me distorted peripheral vision is more of a bother than an extra pair of glasses.

Well, here’s a third take. I’ve been nearsighted enough to need glasses to drive since high school. And now that I’m almost half as old as Louie ;^) I’m starting to have trouble threading flies (I can read books without trouble – just can’t find the damned eye with the tippet without a struggle). And I won’t risk my eyes to any potential  injury/infection/whatever by using contact lenses. My solution: a pair of wide-field prescription polaroids (glass) and a pair of those flip-down magnifiers that clip onto my hat bill. Effective, cheap, and low risk. /daytripper

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I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother?

That’s basically what I use and, to me, it’s worth the bother just for the additional peripheral vision. I can read ‘normal’ sized print without reading glasses, but that’s right at my limit. I’ve been wearing glasses since third grade (44 years) and I plain do *not* like bifocals, especially for climbing over/under things and wading. I guess it’s just a matter of what you consider the bother is; to me distorted peripheral vision is more of a bother than an extra pair of glasses. — Charlie…

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Vision is very important in flyfishing. The flyfisherman not only has to see tiny flies far away in sometimes turbulent water against the glare of the sun, but he has to thread spiderweb-like tippets through the eyes of those tiny flies, and then tie intricate knots. It’s pretty hard for people with impaired vision to cope with the demands of flyfishing, especially as we get older. People who are nearsighted can’t see things far away; people who are farsighted can’t see things close up. If you’re nearsighted you need a negative correction; if you’re far sighted you need a positive correction. Nearsightedness often starts at an early age (4th grade for me), but nearly everyone becomes farsighted with advancing age, as the lenses loses flexibility and the means to change focal length, so nearsighted people eventually need bifocals. I wear "progressive" bifocals for everyday getting around, but at 8", my knot-tying distance, I can see best with no glasses at all. That’s why I find it most convenvient to wear single-prescription (not bifocal) glasses for fishing. They’re securely fastened around my head with a strap. I just drop them to my chest to tie knots or extract hooks from fish. I wear contact lenses for one and only one activity — playing tennis. They’re just perfect for that, but they’d be awful for fishing. I can’t see close-up with contacts, so I’d have to wear an "extra strong" pair of reading glasses for close work. That means I’d need (1) contact lenses, (2) nonprescription sunglasses, and (3) extra-strong reading glasses. Why bother? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I mostly soak power bait in the High Sierras, but was always inquisitive about surface fishing. We stay at Silver Lake Resorts about 40 yards from Silver Lake near the boat launch area. (June Loop)  From our cabin you can see the lake and the trout are jumping like crazy first thing in the morning. Obviously they are surface feeding. I was thinking of using a clear plastic bubble with a little bit of water (for casting distance) with a 6 to 8 foot leader and some kind of fly or other bug..  Or 1/8 oz. Kastmaster with spots or Gold Panther Martin.  Have always excelled in soaking bait, but never really got into lures or surface fishing.  Any help would be really appreciated a.s.a.p. as we are leaving the 12th of September. Thx Garry     Good fishin’

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I mostly soak power bait in the High Sierras, but was always inquisitive about surface fishing. We stay at Silver Lake Resorts about 40 yards from Silver Lake near the boat launch area. (June Loop)  From our cabin you can see the lake and the trout are jumping like crazy first thing in the morning. Obviously they are surface feeding. I was thinking of using a clear plastic bubble with a little bit of water (for casting distance) with a 6 to 8 foot leader and some kind of fly or other bug..  Or 1/8 oz. Kastmaster with spots or Gold Panther Martin.  Have always excelled in soaking bait, but never really got into lures or surface fishing.  Any help would be really appreciated a.s.a.p. as we are leaving the 12th of September. Thx Garry     Good fishin’

A lure that I’ve had excellent results with is the Panther Martin in all silver.  Silver body, silver blade.  It works great.  Use the smaller sizes.   Good luck.   =)

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A lure that I’ve had excellent results with is the Panther Martin in all silver.  Silver body, silver blade.  It works great.  Use the smaller sizes.   Good luck.   =)

I havent had much luck with silver but gold blade w/gold or black bodys definately catch sierra planter trout. Dunno about surface fishing, I leave that for the fly guys. But I will occasionally mess with the bubble float fly rig with some luck. I wonder if trout will take topwater plugs? stev — stev_ix_netcom_com is a fake. Sorry, Im tired of all the crap I get in the mail.    

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Kind sir, As pointed out by the gentleman before me… I bet I could cross your eyes with a hookset on a good Gamaguchii hook and a Kit Kat…  Too easy… <G  Try fly-fishing over selective trout and tell me who THAT’s unfair to

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Just in case you have not noticed yet: LIFE IS NOT FAIR. Once one realizes that, it is easier to cope.  Now suck it up, stop snivelling, and get on with it! Steve, the DsrtTravlr

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I do not think that using lures is fair to the fish. Lures are not part of their natural environment you sandheads. It would be as if someone was dragging a stack of $100 bills on the ground. Live bait is the only fair way to catch fish. Everything else is just a crutch for poor fishing technique. If any of you clowns want to discuss this, email me and MAYBE I’ll tell you some of my super secret tricks that I use with a worm. Bye jerkheads!

Shows just how little you actually know about fishing. If your super secret tricks are hanging a Night Crawler off a hook, you can keep them. That’s too easy. Give the fish a fighting chance by using artificial lures! Dale Ross Microsoft BackOffice MVP ClubIE Team 5 Captain, ClubWin Chapter 10 Head http://www.clubie.com http://www.clubwin.com |   Win32 Support BBS Charlotte, NC USA (704) 588-2669         | |            http://win32supportbbs.vnet.net/                  | "Nothing I have written here is in any way, shape, or form official or unofficial L & H Technologies policy or opinion. It’s simply my opinion that I hope they agree with! <G"

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go fish

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I do not think that using lures is fair to the fish. Lures are not part of their natural environment you sandheads. It would be as if someone was dragging a stack of $100 bills on the ground. Live bait is the only fair way to catch fish. Everything else is just a crutch for poor fishing technique.

Wait a minute.. in my experience, it MUCH EASIER to catch a fish on live bait!!  If anything, using live bait is ‘unfair.’ -Mark

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Wait a minute.. in my experience, it MUCH EASIER to catch a fish on live bait!!  If anything, using live bait is ‘unfair.’

Bait is easier. All fishermen know that. But some of you guys are missing the point here. This dickwad dont fish, he just gets a rise out of starting long pointless threads on newsgroups by coming out with belligerent statements carefully designed to piss people off. And he is good at it. This thread is way longer than almost all legit questions posted here. I see guys asking about line, or tips on setting hooks, and they get almost no response. And here a worthless scumbag gets all the traffic he wants and he doesnt even give a crap about fishing. I suppose the thread is usefull in that its a debate over what is easier to catch fish on. But I am almost insulted that other decent folks are asking for help here and are not getting it while this guy gets more response from this group than he deserves. Definately a very successfull troller. You guys should quit biting. stev — stev_ix_netcom_com is a fake. Sorry, Im tired of all the crap I get in the mail.    

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I read your post, and although I disagree greatly with you, I’d like to discuss this.  First of all, I don’t believe that lures are unfair to the fish, in fact, if I’m not catching anything on a lure, I’ll switch to a worm and fish for whatever bites (usually bluegill, sunfish, small bass, etc).  Number 2, I fish lures because it is challenging.  I do not understand your reasoning on a lure being mean to the fish.  When you catch a fish on a worm, do you give him the worm?  If not, you don’t make any sense.  Also, you’d better pray to God that a fisherman/hacker didn’t read your post, especially the ‘Bye Jerkheads!’ part.  Have a nice day, Mike Zansk

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Is this the same muscle bound moron we’ve been having so much fun with lately?

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artificial to the fishes world, and to be able to put this man made object in to that world, and completely fool the fish into striking it, as if it is something to eat is what it’s all about. Any dumbass can put live bait on a hook and the fish will eat it, that’s not fair to the fish. With an artificial, he at least has a chance to reject the offering. What if I put a candy bar on your Mom’s kitchen counter, and waited for your ass to come and eat it, and when you did, I jacked your jaws into the next county, now that that would be unfair. Just kiddin!

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I read your post, and although I disagree greatly with you, I’d like to discuss this.  First of all, I don’t believe that lures are unfair to the fish, in fact, if I’m not catching anything on a lure, I’ll switch to a worm and fish for whatever bites (usually bluegill, sunfish, small bass, etc).  Number 2, I fish lures because it is challenging.  I do not understand your reasoning on a lure being mean to the fish.  When you catch a fish on a worm, do you give him the worm?  If not, you don’t make any sense.  Also, you’d better pray to God that a fisherman/hacker didn’t read your post, especially the ‘Bye Jerkheads!’ part.  Have a nice day, Mike Zansk

Maybe you’re new to this thread Mike, but Scott old boy(?) get his jollies by trolling with an outrageous statement then appartently sitting back and watching the results until it peters out, when he submits another "gem". He’s not interested in discussion and is best ignored… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<OOOO))’

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If lures are too effective to be "fair" (whatever that means) then live bait is even MORE "unfair" because it’s usually more effective, in my experience.

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who says 100 dollar bills dragging on the ground is not in my enivornment!Besides your mistake is comparing fish to human beings. As thinking beings we have created a way to fish without using LIVE bait and that means saving the life of those creatures used as LIVE BAIT.

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You probably dont even have a worm….. other than the ones you got through a hole in the wall in a peep-show booth. GO AWAY MORON mark s.

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I do not think that using lures is fair to the fish. Lures are not part of their natural environment you sandheads. It would be as if someone was dragging a stack of $100 bills on the ground. Live bait is the only fair way to catch fish. Everything else is just a crutch for poor fishing technique. If any of you clowns want to discuss this, email me and MAYBE I’ll tell you some of my super secret tricks that I use with a worm. Bye jerkheads! Scott Mulligan

O.K., so I decided to check out Deja News to see what our spammer has been up to elsewhere, and here’s what I found.  (see below) Of the newsgroups listed, I looked at his articles in about 5 of them and they were all stupid flames, some even word for word just like some of his tripe posted here.  He’s not just an idiot troller, he’s lacking in creativity.  Unless you can send 220 volts straight through his modem, he’s not worth responding to.   Confidence Newsgroup: 99%rec.woodworking91%alt.fishing65%rec.motorcycles.harley61%rec.gardens47%r ec.martial-arts47% rec.outdoors.fishing.bass39%rec.outdoors.fishing39%soc.singles28%rec.motorc ycles.racing21% microsoft.public.excel.programming21%rec.arts.startrek.current21%soc.bi13%c omp.lang.java.tech10% alt.abuse.recovery10%alt.beer10%rec.folk-dancing Steve Thomas If you don’t get this, let me know. (Remove _ from "reply to" address)

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I do not think that using lures is fair to the fish. Lures are not part of their natural environment you sandheads. It would be as if someone was dragging a stack of $100 bills on the ground. Live bait is the only fair way to catch fish. Everything else is just a crutch for poor fishing technique. If any of you clowns want to discuss this, email me and MAYBE I’ll tell you some of my super secret tricks that I use with a worm. Bye jerkheads! Scott Mulligan

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Hey spamhead…Troll-off Bubba B

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Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom

Congratulations on the first trout on a fly! Got mine last summer.  Went t some state parks in southeast Minnesota in mid august.  Caught my first on a #12 Wolly Bugger a 12"Rainbow. caught the rest – a total of 14 browns from 8-13 inches mostly on my own design— a kind of peacock and guinea soft hackle that looks like a small minnow when wet.  Don’t know what to call it. Biggest thrill was casting about 40 ft across the river at Forrestville, having a 12" brown jump out of the water with the fly in its mouth, run half way across the river to me and do a double flip 10 feet in front of me!  Talk about getting hooked on fly fishing!  WOW! I will be going back this year to MN or Wisconsen to repeat the fun! Good luck, Ken — Remove NO-SPAM- from return address to e-mail me. Sorry, but this is to discourage spammers and auto junk mail generators. Ken Wells "When In Doubt….Go fishing."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom Tom, Nice going with the first trout…I am also relatively new (<2 yrs) and enjoy hearing about people and fly fishing. Of course the next step done this road-to-ruin is fly tying….no rush, take your time, but getting your first trout on a fly you tird is also outstanding…. As you can probably tell, I’m consumed by this experience called fly fishing….if I only didn’t have to work…… — John Carney          Fly Fisher & Parrot Head (NO-SPAM in address to avoid spamming)

And I’ll bet that, just for a minute or two, while you were landing thiat first trout, you considered throwing away ALL your baitcasting and spinning gear.  Welcome to the Club!! Mac McCaskill

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Trout hit my first two casts hard, and kept hitting every type of dry fly I used aggressively all day. I missed a ton of good strikes (sure could use some advice on setting the hook correctly),

Tom; You note that you missed these aggressive strikes.  That happens because (often) an aggresively striking wild fish is hanging-out under/around some current somewhere near the bottom.  He sees your fly (food) and shoots up, slamming the fly and zips right back down to the bottom as fast as a Rattle-snake strike.  Well, unlike a natural fly, yours has a leader attached to it.  I’m sure that you have noticed how much force water can exert on your line.  This happens with the fly.  The drag of the tippet can pull the fly from the fish’s mouth, or cause him to "spit it out" before you can set the hook.  I have noticed this a lot recently while fishing emergers during the sulfur hatch.  WHACK!… nothing. Jason Beary

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Congratulations on the first trout on a fly! Got mine last summer.  Went t some state parks in southeast Minnesota in mid august.  Caught my first on a #12 Wolly Bugger a 12"Rainbow. caught the rest – a total of 14 browns from 8-13 inches mostly on my own design— a kind of peacock and guinea soft hackle that looks like a small minnow when wet.  Don’t know what to call it.

A bug. John Fereira

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[snipped] Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday.

[snipped] Well done Tom!  Nice innitt? On a more serious note(!)  You are now in danger of becoming the best Definition: The best angler in the world = whichever angler at that given instant in time is enjoying themselves the most. richard

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Congratulations Tom, I too caught my first, a 14" Brown, on Wednesday in the Clear Fork river (Ohio).    It was a store-bought fly, but that didn’t make it any less exciting.   Like you, nobody around me has any clue what its like. Bob  

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Hi, Congratulations. I had the same problem,  so I bought my fiance her own kit,  now she joins me on all the trips,  and the best is that she is not using my expensive rods. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Tom: <<Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. It is a "big deal". The outdoor learning process can sometimes be frustrating when there is no father, brother, aunt or uncle to answer your questions or share your experiences. So…, thanks for taking the time and sharing with us. Congratulations! Tight lines, Joe

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Congratulations, Seems just like yesterday … so many years now. Next will be that monster brown on a fly you tied.  Nothing beats the feeling of a first anything.  I don’t know about others on ROFF but there is still nothing like splash of an eager trout or the slurp of the grandfather of all trout. That’s just a feeling that never gets old. Corey http://www.ncweb.com:80/users/crbock/

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Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill.

Just wanted to drop my 2 cents in, too. I fished the Great Smoky Mountain National Park last weekend, doing some very deep, hike-in mountain stream fishing, and had the best day of dry fly fishing in my short (about 1 year) career fly fishing. Trout hit my first two casts hard, and kept hitting every type of dry fly I used aggressively all day. I missed a ton of good strikes (sure could use some advice on setting the hook correctly), but I did bring in an 11-inch wild mountain rainbow. My God, what a fish this was! Never seen that kind of coloring before. These fish are naturally reproducing, wild trout (even though their ancestors were imported to the area and stocked until the 1970s). Even so, this guy fought hard, jumped at least 12 times, and left me speechless at having takien my first wild trout in such a beautiful setting. For you Midwestern FFers, I have a story on FFing in the Smokies coming up in the summer issue of Midwest Fly Fishing magazine that provides local contact numbers and other information. E-mail me off-list if you want more information. Dave McCarty

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Hey Tom:

<<Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. It is a "big deal". The outdoor learning process can sometimes be frustrating when there is no father, brother, aunt or uncle to answer your questions or share your experiences. So…, thanks for taking the time and sharing with us. Congratulations! Tight lines, Joe

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Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom

Tom, Nice going with the first trout…I am also relatively new (<2 yrs) and enjoy hearing about people and fly fishing. Of course the next step done this road-to-ruin is fly tying….no rush, take your time, but getting your first trout on a fly you tird is also outstanding…. As you can probably tell, I’m consumed by this experience called fly fishing….if I only didn’t have to work…… — John Carney          Fly Fisher & Parrot Head (NO-SPAM in address to avoid spamming)

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Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom

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Hi all, Just thought I’d let everyone know that I caught my first trout ever on a fly rod yesterday. Man, what a thrill. Although I’m basically a "live-bait on a spin reel person", I’ve messed around with my "fly outfit" the last couple of years. Never had much success until yesterday though. Not a bad sized rainbow either. Around 11". Oh well, I’m sure this is no big deal to most of you but I just had to tell someone. Everyone in my family has no clue as to what it’s like. I figure you all do. See ya on the streams!!!!! Tom

didja et it…? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a try anyway. Dana Rohleder http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htm

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a try anyway. Dana Rohleder http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htmHi Dana

I really liked your piece, especially about "visualization" and nymph fishing. You are so right. I’ve printed a copy and hope you don’t mind if I quote it (with proper credit, etc.) in future ng posts or mag. articles. Those of you on the group really should take a look. Yes it is a bit technical but well written and very informative. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual
demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for
an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a
try anyway.
Dana Rohleder

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htm

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Has anyone fished for Pink Salmon in the Seattle, WA area? When do they come into the rivers?  Are they different from Chum Salmon? I’m going to be up in the Seattle, WA area in late July. Thanks for the info. -steve

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Has anyone fished for Pink Salmon in the Seattle, WA area? When do they come into the rivers?  Are they different from Chum Salmon? I’m going to be up in the Seattle, WA area in late July. Thanks for the info. -steve

I fished them extensively in 91 and 93 on the Skagit river, WA.  If anyone is interested, email me and we can talk. In short: They are vastly different to chum.  Spawning pinks are strictly 2yr old fish, and vary from about 3-5 pounds (a 6-8pound is a lunker).  Chums are various ages and are much larger.  Pinks seem to aggressively hit certain fly patterns and small spoons of pink and white color.  The prime of the chum run is usually about late Oct-late Nov.  My records show that the first pink I caught in 1993 was on 23 August.  I can’t find my book from 1991, but it was within a week of that.  The first 2 weeks in Sept are the best. Around here, Pinks run in only a few rivers.  The ones that come to mind starting north and working south (there are more but these are the major runs):         Skagit, Stilliguamish, Snohomish system, Nisqually Oh, and due to this strict 2 year cycle and some catastrophic event, there is only a run during odd-numbered years like this year.  There is also a 4 year cycle, and this is the best of that cycle.  1995 should hold many fish.  Chum run every year. Without exaggerating, a dozen fish in a mornings fishing was not at all uncommon.  My numbers from the "down" year of 1993 show large numbers of fish. I’ll stop now before I start (continue?) babbling. talk to you later,         -tgades

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Pinks are also known as humpys, the previous post cover most other   points. Chums turn dark early and pinks have a slimey feel.

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Pinks are also known as humpys (sp) I ahve found that almost anything   that works for silvers also works for pinks but that they run deeper on   average.  Chum turn dark early and do not bite as well out side of fresh   water concentrations.  Pinks tend to be oilyer and slimy but taste great   if processed soon after landing.

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I am trying to answer the following fishing facts, that maybe some of you have the answers to: 1.      What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when? 2.      What is the current world record for Rainbow Trout and when was it caught? 3.      The Rainbow Trout world record used to be something like 42 lbs from Lake Pend Oreille. If that record does not still hold, what were the details surrounding that old record? If you know any of these, please e-mail to *                                                                       * * "Sedulously eschew obfuscatory hyperverbosity or prolixity."          *

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1.     What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when?  97 1/4 lbs, 1986.  This was in an article in this month’s Salmon, Trout,  and Steelheader magazine.  greg pavlov

…and, caught on the Kenai River, AK.  It was a big second-run king. -tgades

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1.  What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when?

The record sport-caught King was ninety some pounds, caught in Alaska’s Kenai River.  The record commercially-netted king was in excess of 120 lbs, as I recall, caught in the Cook Inlet. Several years ago a sport fisherman on the Kenai tied into what experienced guides believed was a King exceeding 120 lbs.  The guy played it for several days (sic) before it finally broke off.  It was kind of fun to check the newspaper every morning and see how the fight was going. — -Wayne Trzyna

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While where on the record… Does anyone know the flyfishing record for arctic grayling?  I can only find an all tackle record. Thanks, Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to answer the following fishing facts, that maybe some of you have the answers to: 1. What is the current world record for King Salmon? Where was it caught and when? 2. What is the current world record for Rainbow Trout and when was it caught? 3. The Rainbow Trout world record used to be something like 42 lbs from Lake Pend Oreille. If that record does not still hold, what were the details surrounding that old record? If you know any of these, please e-mail to *                                                                       * * "Sedulously eschew obfuscatory hyperverbosity or prolixity."          *

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