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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

–What area or state are you fishing in? Are you going to target steelhead? If so, let me know what type of gear, fly, bait or lures…I’ll give you some tips that may help you. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species?

yes – and it returns to the stream it was hatched to spawn just like salmon, I think. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com

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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

Pretty much. There are different strains though. What makes them different is what water shed they are from. Jay

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I am curious where you came up with the notion that a rainbow is not a trout. A rainbow is a trout is a salmonid.. And a steelhead is a sea run rainbow. Now a brook trout isn’t a trout, but a char. A lake trout is a char….. V.B.

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I am curious where you came up with the notion that a rainbow is not a trout. A rainbow is a trout is a salmonid.. And a steelhead is a sea run rainbow. Now a brook trout isn’t a trout, but a char. A lake trout is a char…..

Actually several years ago, they reclassified the rainbow as a member of the pacific salmon family so the genus went from Salmo to Onchorynchus (sp?) Tim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony Yes –they are the most exciting fresh water fish you will ever catch

ive caught them from 6" to 20 lbs

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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

Yes —

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Rainbows are not true trout but actually are Salmonids,Oncorhynchus Mykiss. And yes the Steelhead is the Anadromous-Sea Going-variant of the Rainbow. This is all old news,do a search of this subject on www.anglingbc.com it’s been hashed over a number of times. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony Yes —

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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

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As a Corporate Pilot we regularly tip the line guys & gals who give us good service…. I don’t think I have ever had anyone turn down the cash…. On the other hand if service is mediocre or poor a tip is out of the question…. Mark Captain – Falcon 50EX / Falcon 900EX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos Before you buy.

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Urine my sights now pal! ;)

Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off! — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Urine my sights now pal! ;) Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off!

Sorry, it just leaked out of me. But, that’s all water under the bridge. Next time I’ll be a bit more a-comode-ating. — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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Can I offer chocolate chip cookies instead of cash?

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While we never tip our line guys here in Iowa City (the one time I tried, they turned me down), we DO bring a dozen fresh donuts to the FBO every Sunday morning. And there is ALWAYS a cold one in our fridge in our hangar for them. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g

Urine my sights now pal! ;) — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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: Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you : still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I : was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of : aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & : retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. I’ve taken all the line guys at SPX flying in the C140 (even on cross countries). One of the line guys at SPX just happens to be my Cessna 140 partner as well! (I can’t really call him a lineboy – he is married and four years older than me <g) — Dylan Smith, Houston TX. Flying: http://www.alioth.net/flying Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

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I never thought of it like that. That’s a really good insight, thanks for the post. Next time I’m over there (in the USA) I’m going to make sure I have some dollar bills on me. You’ve made me feel really guilty for not tipping the guy at Gainesville now! They put a red carpet out for me, and gave me a lift to the FBO in a golf buggy. I suppose that’s just me being a tight Brit (tipping is much rarer here than it is in the US). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out.

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1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)…

sounds like you need a high wing <gd&r — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much?

^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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HAHA… I love it!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them.

Here we go again. You tip the waiters at any restraunt that doesn’t have a drive thru window, don’t you? Why wouldn’t you tip a line boy that services your aircraft that costs as much as a house? You fly out to the Bahamas and tip the crew of your chartered fishing boat handsomely, and they are just going to snort it up their nose that night. I have been on all sides of this spectrum from being the lineboy at a flight school/FBO to now being the owner/operator of a high performance aircraft (Ain’t America Great!?!?) I remember the few dozen times I was tipped (once by an aircraft thief!) when I was a lineboy. I made sure that the guys (and girl) who tipped me had their windshields washed, the ant’s nests around their tiedown spots were destroyed, if they were having a hard time starting their engine, I would get the GPU ready BEFORE they killed their battery… [snip] They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it….

[snip] Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. Times to tip the lineboy: When he fuels the airplane and doesn’t chip the paint or spill fuel on your plane. When they give you a ride to the FBO office when you have been parked out in the boondocks. When they unload your bags from the plane while you are streching your legs after a long flight. When they run out to your plane in hurricane force wind and rain with an umbrella so _YOU_ and your passengers don’t get wet. When they tow your airplane from an area that is flooded up to the axials to a high and dry parking spot during/after a rain storm so _YOUR_ shoes don’t get soaked. Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out. Obligitory pilot joke: What is the difference between a pilot and a canoe? Sometimes a canoe will tip. — dan<atlynxtel.com Spam Bait: Honk If You’ve Never Seen An Uzi Fired From A Car Window

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals? Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.? If you do, how much? — Southwest Fisheries Science Center P.O. Box 271 La Jolla, CA 92038 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX) "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" - George Costanza "Get off the cross, we need the wood." - Tori Amos

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Thanks to all who replied. After reading some of the posts on this group I have come to one conclusion, you guys are nuts! But I like it!

Yes, we are, and proud to be. Maybe it’s because we don’t have Orvis guide to help us to wear a good sun protection… Have a look at the topic "Christmas Island", You will find nuts and knots… Whatever the shop will do it or you for the first time, learn to do it by yourself. Salut, Philippe * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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Thanks to all who replied. After reading some of the posts on this group I have come to one conclusion, you guys are nuts! But I like it! I think I will let the shop spool it for me this time, while I watch, and then attempt a spare spool myself. Thanks again! YD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Since it came as a kit, you should have received the approximately appropriate amount of backing (no gaurantee however). Your reel should indicate how much backing it can handle for a given (typically weight forward) fly line. You spool of backing is probably 100 yards. At the shop, they can demonstrate all the knots for you. Having a knowledgable shop where you feel comfortable and welcome will go a long way in helping out a newbie. Sooner or later you’ll have to learn to do it yourself. At the shop they can apply tension as they wind the line by using a machine. I do this myself by poking a pen through the backing spool and then holding the pen with my toes. I apply pressure against the spool with my feet and wind the line with the reel attached to the bottom piece of the fly rod so that the backing goes through the line guide (the biggest guide, closest to the reel is called the stripping guide or stripper, and larger rods usually have two of them, BTW). You might find it easier to purchase a line winder if you decide you really love the sport and end up with many reels and lines.

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Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me?

Since it came as a kit, you should have received the approximately appropriate amount of backing (no gaurantee however). Your reel should indicate how much backing it can handle for a given (typically weight forward) fly line. You spool of backing is probably 100 yards. At the shop, they can demonstrate all the knots for you. Having a knowledgable shop where you feel comfortable and welcome will go a long way in helping out a newbie. Sooner or later you’ll have to learn to do it yourself. At the shop they can apply tension as they wind the line by using a machine. I do this myself by poking a pen through the backing spool and then holding the pen with my toes. I apply pressure against the spool with my feet and wind the line with the reel attached to the bottom piece of the fly rod so that the backing goes through the line guide (the biggest guide, closest to the reel is called the stripping guide or stripper, and larger rods usually have two of them, BTW). You might find it easier to purchase a line winder if you decide you really love the sport and end up with many reels and lines.

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writes: Yeah! Take THAT, Dave! Hell, LaPlac has an Orvis guide put his hat on for him<g. — Charlie…

LOL. I have an Orvis vest and Orvis waders, but no Orvis hat! However, I do have him start my car — you can never tell with some of the crazies Dave L. —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web —– —– http://newsone.net/ — Discussions on every subject. —– NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts

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Hell, LaPlac has an Orvis guide put his hat on for him<g. — Charlie… LOL. I have an Orvis vest and Orvis waders, but no Orvis hat! However, I do have him start my car — you can never tell with some of the crazies Dave L.

Ya, can you imagine the damage an exploding junbo sized bottle of xink would do to the interior of that new A6? Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while. I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!! Yeah! Take THAT, Dave! I’m still ahead, 7 to 2. You probably paid ol Joe to post that! <g Dave L.

Know what, Dave? I’m buying a reel and an extra spool for Christmas Island, probably from Bill Kiene, and I expect to have him install the lines and backing. Still, I think it’s a good idea to know how to put on a new line when I have to. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Steve B. writes: Know what, Dave? I’m buying a reel and an extra spool for Christmas Island, probably from Bill Kiene, and I expect to have him install the lines and backing. Still, I think it’s a good idea to know how to put on a new line when I have to.

Just pulling your chain, friend. Checked out your site for the Western Clave. Nice. Dave L.

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While I agree that it’s a good idea to have the dealer load your spools if possible, it pays to know how to do it yourself. Someday you will ruin a fly line while out on a trip and you will need to do it yourself. I would recommend getting an extra spool, and after watching somebody with experience, load up your extra spool (maybe with another kind of line, like a sinktip or a different taper). That way you will have seen it done twice plus you’ll have a spare spool already loaded for that day when you’re out on a river and ruin your line. –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Know what, Dave? I’m buying a reel and an extra spool for Christmas Island, probably from Bill Kiene, and I expect to have him install the lines and backing. Still, I think it’s a good idea to know how to put on a new line when I have to. —

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Yeah! Take THAT, Dave!

Hell, LaPlac has an Orvis guide put his hat on for him<g. — Charlie…

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I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while. I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!! Yeah! Take THAT, Dave!

I’m still ahead, 7 to 2. You probably paid ol Joe to post that! <g Dave L. —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web —– —– http://newsone.net/ — Discussions on every subject. —– NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts

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I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while. I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!!

Yeah! Take THAT, Dave! — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Bill Kiene writes: I would take it to the shop that sold it as it is their job to put it together for you. They can teach you some knots while they are installing properly for you. I would get some casting lessons now so you can practice at the park. By spring you will be ready for those fish.

Hey, rw: another one for *my* side. Nanna nana na na! Pfffffft. d:0) Dave L.

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I’m also new to fly fishing having used ultra-light tackle for quite a while. I put my first fly outfit together and thoroughly enjoyed doing it. It was almost as much fun as purchasing it and learning to cast!!!! I recommend a couple of books for you: "Fly-Fisherman’s Primer" by Fling & Puterbaugh; and, "Practical Fishing Knots" by Sosin & Kreh. I found both of these quite helpful for the beginner. Also, the following web site is very useful. http://www.myhost.com/flyfishing101/ Have fun, and good luck.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

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I would take it to the shop that sold it as it is their job to put it together for you. They can teach you some knots while they are installing properly for you. I would get some casting lessons now so you can practice at the park. By spring you will be ready for those fish. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks. Most shops have a motorized winder and if you bought the gear there, they’re more than happy to load the reel for you. While they’re doing it, note the knots and methods they’re using. The next one will be all yours. :) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly. WARNING #3 — Forget all of rw’s trash.

This is flyfishing trash talk! Yo mama, Dave! OK, OK, he can save some hassle by having the dealer install the backing and flyline, but that’s just delaying the inevitable. One of the most fun things about flyfishing is learning to tie the knots. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly.

WARNING #3 — Forget all of rw’s trash. Listen to what the majority are saying: Take the reel, line and backing back to the dealer. If you bought the reel there, he will probably put in all together for you. He has the tools, machines and knowledge. You do not — at least at this time. Watch what they do. Ask questions. The next time you buy a new line you can put it on yourself. You can learn the knots as you go along, YD. There are only a couple that you need right off and that is a double surgeons knot (or blood knot) to tie on your tippet, and a uni-knot, clinch knot or improved clinch to tie on your fly. Dave L. —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web —– —– http://newsone.net/ — Discussions on every subject. —– NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts

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"Yankee Dick"write:snipI recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me?

First this old Texan will give you a pass on commenting about your name. This is a one time shot and don’t expect anyone else on this newsgroup to be as nice as it simple won’t happen. Yes take them back to the shop from which they were purchased and let them load the reel, but pay attention so that you won’t have to take your next fifty outfits back and depend on someone else to assemble the mess. Big Dale

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly. WARNING #3 — Forget all of rw’s trash. This is flyfishing trash talk! Yo mama, Dave! OK, OK, he can save some hassle by having the dealer install the backing and flyline, but that’s just delaying the inevitable. One of the most fun things about flyfishing is learning to tie the knots.

my attempts at tying a bimini can not be classified as fun <G rw, i invite you fishing anytime… you tie the knots, i fish… we’ll both have a blast <G chris

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me?

Take it to a shop. Won’t cost you much more (unless you a about to buy an unsuitable line). They will help you pick a line appropriate for the kind of fishing you plan to do. Also, the will show you a leader formula so you can tie your own, and put the backing and line on the reel for you, all for the cost of materials. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

Don’t take it to a dealer. Don’t listen to LaPlac. You’re FLYFISHING now, dude! That means you have to learn a bunch of obscure knots. Use an Arbor Knot to connect the backing to the reel. Use an Albright Knot to connect the backing to the flyline (with Pliobond if you expect to actually use the backing — fighting a fish, that is). Use a Nail Knot to connect the butt section to the flyline. Use a Bloodknot to connect the leader to the butt section, Use a Surgeon’s Knot to connect the tippet to the leader. Use a Uni Knot to connect the fly to the tippet. Warning #1 — Every one of these knots has at least two or three alternatives, with their respective champions. Warning #2 — You need ANOTHER reel, at least as big as your first one, to put the backing on properly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Yankee Dick writes: I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

Well, first off, YD, if you stick around this newsgroup, you are gonna take a lot of flack and abuse about your name. <G Welcome to ROFF. By all means, YD, take the reel, backing, and line back to the dealer and have them put it on. They know the proper knots to connect the backing to the reel, the line to the backing. For future ease of changing leaders, have them put in a loop to the end of the fly line so that you can make a loop to loop connection for your leader(s). Some folks don’t like the loop to loop, but it is ideal for a newbie — no knots. While your at the fly shop, have them teach you how to connect the tippet and how to tie on a fly. If you have any problems, the folks on these pages are always willing to help. Good luck, YD, especially with your handle! <g Louie

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

Most shops have a motorized winder and if you bought the gear there, they’re more than happy to load the reel for you. While they’re doing it, note the knots and methods they’re using. The next one will be all yours. :) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Hi gang, I am new to this group and to fly fishing. I have been spin fishing for trout and bass for the past 20 yrs. or so, and I have finally decided to give fly fishing a try! I recieved a 9′ #5/6 Redington rod and a #5/6 Redington reel as a Christmas gift. I also got the backing, line, leader, and tippet. Should I attempt to fill the reel myself, or should I take it to shop where it was purchased and let them fill it for me? Thanks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines! Email or post Sam, I use an old hand powered meat grinder that I picked up at an antiques auction for 25 bucks. Attach it to a 2×4 and then attach that to a fish tote. Works great… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier <OOOO))’

I have made chum in the past using a hand grinder hooked to a motor using the fly wheel out of an old dryer, its big enough to make the grinder run slow. I have also used the same hand grinder hooked to a 12 volt engine started on the boat, its noisy but it works well, you can find the atachments near comm fishing docks that use shum. mine only cost about $50 by using used started and grinder. — Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. … Dave Barry John & Donna Koterba http://www.olg.com/jkoterba

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines! Email or post Sam, I use an old hand powered meat grinder that I picked up at an antiques auction for 25 bucks. Attach it to a 2×4 and then attach that to a fish tote. Works great… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier <OOOO))’ I have made chum in the past using a hand grinder hooked to a motor using the fly wheel out of an old dryer, its big enough to make the grinder run slow. I have also used the same hand grinder hooked to a 12 volt engine started on the boat, its noisy but it works well, you can find the atachments near comm fishing docks that use shum. mine only cost about $50 by using used started and grinder. — Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. … Dave Barry John & Donna Koterba http://www.olg.com/jkoterba

I once used a weed wacker to grind up some menhaden. We did have a sucessful trip but I would frown on the weed wacker idea from now on.

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines! Email or post

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines! Email or post

Sam, I use an old hand powered meat grinder that I picked up at an antiques auction for 25 bucks. Attach it to a 2×4 and then attach that to a fish tote. Works great… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<OOOO))’

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines! Email or post

Here’s some ideas i’ve tried with success: 1. Cheapest fish favor cat food both dry or canned is ready made chum. Just dump into chum pot as is. 2. Use a blender with enough water to chop scraps, then pour into half gallon milk cartons and freeze. To use, peal off carton and put in chum pot. As it melts it releases. 3. Popular chum here in Hawaii is old white bread mixed with tomato sardines and water. Works for just about anything. Mix sand into chum if you want it to sink faster. 4. Buy an inexpensive hand-crank meat grinder (plastic with stainless steel blades works best for saltwater applications). Mount it on a plate with post (pipe) that fits a rodholder. Attach a radiator hose to outlet of grinder (length of hose depends on the boat, diameter of hose depends on grinder). Mount the grinder/plate in a rail rodholder and hang hose overboard. As you grind fish scraps it will run down the hose overboard. You can grind on demand. Pour water into the grinder once in a while to clear grinder and hose. Chum pot easy to make. Just get a plastic 5 gallon bucket with lid, drill ALOT of 1/4" wholes in the sides and bottom. Tie a short length of rope to bucket handle. Now just place some chum into bucket, put lid on and hang it over the side with rope tied to cleat of your boat. Chum leaches out of holes with the motion of the boat. Spy in Hawaii

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I’ve tried several different chum methods: 1. Learned this from a professional yellowtail snapper fisherman in the Keys – Buy a block of frozen menhaden, mix it with horse oats, water and fine white beach sand, into a slurry. Dump it over the side a little at a time. It makes a "cloud" in clear water that both attracts yellow tail and hides your hook (bait up a chunk of mullet or a menhaden – whatever you have, then toss it into the cloud). 2. Canned catfood, the cheapest, stinkiest stuff you can find works well. Punch a bunch of holes in the can and hang it over the side of your boat. Or you can open a can, dump it into a bucket mixed with water and ladle it over the side. 3. Same as above with cheap sardines. 4. For fresh water, try hog pellets. Here in Florida, we use ‘em to bait shiner nets. They work fine. 5. If you’re near the ocaen, go to a fishhouse and ask to buy their dead crabs. smash ‘em up and ladle ‘em. They’re terrific for redfish.

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum? Want to make my own ,but don’t want to spend $600 to $700 for a used Hobart type meat grinder. Anyone out there making their own? Any ideas are helpful.Thanks…. and tight lines! Email or post

This may sound like BS but a guy told me to use an old lawn mower, you might piss off the neighbors but it might work He said he used it to for bluefish to make shark chum. You also might be able to use a leaf mulcher or wood chipper. Don’t laugh to hard at me I’m just passin it on

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So far, I think this is a great line of discussion. Does anybody mind if I use some of this as material in my articles? Actually, some of it might be good for a comedy special on HBO. "Lawn Mulchers for grass, grits, or chum" or something along those lines. Capt. Charlie Capt. Charlie Walker Southern Charm Charters 813-546-7257 http://www.flfish.com/fl

Aloha Charlie, I almost forgot, the best chum maker of all was my younger sister, her first trip out in the ocean. Her stomach was churning. And Her timing was perfect. We would be drifting and everytime she chummed with her breakfast, the fish would show and the action would get wild. Just when the fish start drifting away, she would get up and chum some more (ralph!) and action all over again. She ran out (of internal chum) eventually, and the fish left. She was a real sport though. I’ll always remember her reeling in fish while lying down. Try as we might, we could not get her to eat anymore. We tried not to think of the chum as we ate the fish that night. Same thing happened with one of my Buddies on his first time out, too. Now when I see him I say "you’re not just a friend… you’re a real chum". We can laugh about it now. A hui hou, Spy in Hawaii

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So far, I think this is a great line of discussion. Does anybody mind if I use some of this as material in my articles? Actually, some of it might be good for a comedy special on HBO. "Lawn Mulchers for grass, grits, or chum" or something along those lines. Capt. Charlie Capt. Charlie Walker Southern Charm Charters 813-546-7257 http://www.flfish.com/fl

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So far, I think this is a great line of discussion. Does anybody mind if I use some of this as material in my articles? Actually, some of it might be good for a comedy special on HBO. "Lawn Mulchers for grass, grits, or chum" or something along those lines. Capt. Charlie Capt. Charlie Walker Southern Charm Charters 813-546-7257 http://www.flfish.com/fl

See Dan Akroyd in skit called "Bass-O-Matic" on Best of Sat. Nite Live video. It slices, dices, and turns live bass into a wholesome and refreshing beverage.<g Mark

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Anyone Know of an economical method of making chum?

Really the most economical system I ever heard of was a can of dog food. You buy a can. Use an Ice pick (everybody has one of these aboard) to punch holes in the can. Tie a line (string) around the can and through it in (tie the line to the boat stupid). I have used this for weakies and blues. Works well. Good luck. Michael W. Madden Technical Director, TekVantage The Chesapeake Bay Mariners’ Guide http://www.tekvantage.com/MarinersGuide/index.html The Far Horizons Sailing Search Engine http://www.tekvantage.com/FarHorizons/index.html Host to: The Havre de Grace Yacht Club http://www.tekvantage.com/hdgyc/index.html Host to: The Crazy Swede Restaurant and Bar http://www.tekvantage.com/crazyswede/index.html

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Will be there in December. Any recommendations re: guides, flies or locations would be appreciated.

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Will be there in December. Any recommendations re: guides, flies or locations would be appreciated.

i was there on my honeymoon in 94…one day of bonefishing w/ a guide named Nacho..nice fellow..booked him through my hotel. fished the north end of the island…caught mostly small bones, but i did cast to a couple that might have gone 5 lbs. used a local pattern…green red and gold, crazy-charlie type, size 6. area was very pretty…isolated mangrove flats…never saw another angler all day. good luck

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I may be going to Las Vegas this summer, either June or July. I do not enjoy casinos, I’d rather be outdoors. Is there any good fly fishing in the area? I would appreciate any information.

I too *HATE* casinos and motel rooms are like coffins… …*BUT*, there is salvation in Vegas…the pools… the swimming pools…drinks brought poolside…it’s a hundred and twenty in the frikken shade and ahh…yes…the pools.. it’s like they say…when in Rome… The one thing that I have wanted to do is to try and find a sidewinder in the desert…I’ve never seen one. Of course then I’d be all tired and sweaty and thirsty and the pools would be crying out in their little pathetic voices…"Tim….Tim… come here Tim….I have that drink with the speared fruit and umbrella Tim…." But flyfishing…???? Maybe lead core at Mead…or possibly dry flies in the fountain at the Mirage casting at bikini latches or 100 dollar bills at the bar… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I may be going to Las Vegas this summer, either June or July. I do not enjoy casinos, I’d rather be outdoors. Is there any good fly fishing in the area? I would appreciate any information. — Sincerely, Fred E. Nakaguma

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Rogue River Rifleworks 1317 Spring Street Paso Robles, CA 93466 805/227-4706 805/227-4723 This is a new company neaded by Geoff Miller, who came from the aerospace industry and high power shoting. They make boxlock and side lock double rifles, and customize M88 Win lever guns into very high grade rifles. The double rifles use modern mfg methods to cut costs. I understand they use CNC machines and fitting techniques to eliminate the English hand regulation process. Boxlocks start at $11,750 (Anson & Deeley action, .470, .500 and .577 Nitro Express), sidelocks start at $17,250 (Holland & Holland Pattern, .470, .500 and .577 NE). The lever guns are $3,750 (.243 Win, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, .308 and .358 Win). I handled their guns at the SCI show in Las Vegas, and they are very nice. I particularily liked their M88 Win. Worth investigating. Quality is what you would expect at these prices. Craig Boddington (who now lives in Paso Robles) is their technical advisor…jim dodd San Diego

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Can anyone name some hunting outfitters accessible by internet? Thanks

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Contact Wayne Stufflebean at Ventures Outdoors(EMAIL) ventures Wayne has contacts with outfitters of all kinds. I booked a hunt through him this past year and was 100% pleased before, during and after the hunt. Cazadore

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I’m a hunting outfitter and somewhat of a cyber junkie. Check out my pages. Can anyone name some hunting outfitters accessible by internet? Thanks

– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens. Good luck, Don Pisinski

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens.

Especially good if you have some "Dr. Juice Phish Pheromone Trout In Heat" flavored strike putty on hand. TimW (just typing that got me excited…)

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Kinda makes me think I’m going to way too much trouble tying flies. I was reading something a few weeks ago about a study done underwater in which some percent of "nymphs" were expelled by the fish because they were sticks, rocks, etc. Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation?

Tony Route suggested tying up a small bomber pattern in the same colors as the strike indicator, and using that. Bomber is a spun deer hair piece of work, nothing fancy. I tied some up, but never used them yet.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently. I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts. What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less. My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly. I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big.

Try using strike indicator putty. Then if they start hitting your strike indicator, you can cover the nymph with the strike putty and away you go Carl carl

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Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? Or a 12 bore shotgun. Such idiotic fish need eliminating before they

stagnate the gene pool. Bruce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott (snip)

Hi, I have seen wild rainbows take some pretty large and gaudy strike indicators on spawning runs. It’s also quite common practice here to fish for browns with a dry fly as an indicator above a nymph. It’s sometimes an even bet as to which one gets taken by the fish. Ken Sims New Zealand

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

Or a parachute adams with a pink post. Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

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drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida Or a parachute adams with a pink post. Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

Or just thread a hook thru the strike indicator. Not "pure", but effective. Jerry — Jerry Brown Web: http://rampages.onramp.net/~jbrown "When the Huns are at the gate, they ain’t gonna knock…"

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I sometimes have success with a fly called the Serendipity. It’s midge pattern with a red or orange thorax. I like to use Peacock herl for the body with fine silver or copper wire rib. Drift it in the film or just under the surface. Your milage may vary. Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices. Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse. I can see it, so I guess fish can too. It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I am not one to use strike indicators, largely because it reminds me too much of fishing for catfish as a child. However, I may suggest that you use a floating line and a sinking leader (or leader to which you have applied some sinkant). A combination of sinkant on one and of the line and a clean, floatant-treated line on the other end has worked for me in situations where others might have used strike indicators. Of course, I am also prone to overuse of shims when building, so my solutions are not always the most sound… W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand, "Genie du Christianisme" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices. Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse. I can see it, so I guess fish can too. It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete

Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently. I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts. What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less. My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly. I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation SNIPPED TO FIT: Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I could jump into this discussion but think I best not as my views are miles apart here. However, I agree with ‘the hint,’ zeno. George Gehrke Mr. Gink

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation?

I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

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Completely understand. The notorious Indicator Hatch. The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift.

I did this, and I’ll be goddamned if it didn’t work! After having a few "selective trout" break out of their feeding patterns to chase my styrofoam orange strike indicator, I went home to the vice, clamped in a number ten hook and wrapped an adhesive backed strike indicator around it. I probably could of stopped right there but, purist that I am, I wrapped a grizzly hackle around the head and tied it off. Vince Marinaro was probably convulsing in his grave as I trotted back to my (then) home water, leering like the Grinch on his sleighride to Whoville. Needless to say, it worked. Not on every fish (thank god) but it worked. It’s all in the orange. Next time you’re tying an Adams, substitute an orange floss body for the usual muskrat. You didn’t hear it from me. Spinolio

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

In North Georgia most streams are stocked and trophy streams are fed. Although I have had the same experience on streams with natural production which are not fed and the 6" to 10" fish likely are generations away from any fish that was. One particular stream was exclusively browns. I attribute it to the fact that trout are opportunists, curious about there surroundings and lacking hands, they put it in their mouth to find out what it is. Could be a meal and they may be few and far between. When I first began fishing I took a few fish for consumption. One such fish upon examining the stomach contents was full of some type of hard green seeds that had been floating downstream. Not only did the fish not find it offnesive, it continued to gulp the seeds which were also further along in the intestine in much the same condition as those in the stomach. I suppose the fish ‘felt’ full whether it was nutritious or not. The past weekend I was fishing worm imitation, floating it along the bottom in a clear tail out and watched a fish ‘take’ it, or so I thought. I missed, but as the the leaves are falling here, the fish grabbed a leaf and held it in its mouth a little longer than you would expect before realizing what it had. Almost as much fun to observe as to catch! regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete

It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete

Put a hook on it!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently. I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts. What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less. My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly. I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I have had it happen with a yellow strike indicator during hopper season. Switch to a hopper usually works then. YMMV. Dan — Daniel J. Gaspar Department of Chemistry (773) 702-7209 University of Chicago

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation?

I don’t know the entomology of this, but it is common experience. I always carry an orange humpy or two for this situation. They even make pretty good strike indicators. Joel A. Tobias 2941 Doctors Park Dr. Medford, OR 97504

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently. I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts. What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less. My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly. I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil

I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete

In line with Tim’s comment I often use an orange Bug (deer hair clipped sinker shaped with a hackle wound through) as an indicator, and it has landed fish. Paul

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation?

Completely understand. The notorious Indicator Hatch. The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift. TimW

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator. As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator. After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing. I switched to an egg pattern in a similar color. Nothing. I put the indicator back on. WHaM! What have others done in this situation? Pete

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout.

An English side-by-side with a splinter fore end and a straight stock, only, and *only* over a pointing dog. Waxing my Barbour coat and waiting for a call from my broker, David

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: Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod? I have heard about : people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Time to re-hash the stories about bat-casting….

i always practice C&R on them…and ouzels…not much meat on a bat, but the wings (I’ve heard) make excellent jerky. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod? I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto: Your dues are due. P.S. I’m going nuts. I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

Hi Frank I’ve got some yellow Brazilian Velour that should make a great corn fly. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod? I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto: Your dues are due. P.S. I’m going nuts. I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

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Could someone help me with some info on the patterns which would be best for fishing the Muskegon or Au Sable rivers in Michigan in 2-3 weeks. We are going to Grand Haven to visit my family for 2 weeks and I would like to get some fishing in. I tie my own, so if you can suggest any conventional pattern, or give me a short description for local patterns I would be eternally grateful. Thanks, Jack Holton Denver, CO "Rasthedog"

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Look up the "white-gloved Howdey" in Caucci and Nastasi’s book, Hatches II. I use size 14. The book also has hatch charts that can really help. Could someone help me with some info on the patterns which would be best for fishing the Muskegon or Au Sable rivers in Michigan in 2-3 weeks. We are going to Grand Haven to visit my family for 2 weeks and I would like to get some fishing in. I tie my own, so if you can suggest any conventional pattern, or give me a short description for local patterns I would be eternally grateful. Thanks, Jack Holton Denver, CO "Rasthedog" Regards, John Sirmans

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Could someone help me with some info on the patterns which would be best for fishing the Muskegon or Au Sable rivers in Michigan in 2-3 weeks. We

Call Steve Southard, owner of the fly factory in Grayling MI at (517) 348-5844. He should be able to give you some info. Rusty Gates also has a nice shop up there, but I don’t have his number handy. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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Rusty Gates phone #: 517-348-8462; Johnson’s Pere Marquette Lodge 616-745-3972. All three places (incl. the Fly Factory) should also be able to provide you with a guide if you are unfamiliar with the water. have fun – should be plenty of salmon in the waters in mid-Sept.

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Organization: IQuest Network Services X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 (AnnRMiller) says: Rusty Gates phone #: 517-348-8462; Johnson’s Pere Marquette Lodge 616-745-3972. All three places (incl. the Fly Factory) should also be able to provide you with a guide if you are unfamiliar with the water. have fun – should be plenty of salmon in the waters in mid-Sept.

There are a couple web sites you might try: http://www.novagate.com/~bscheere/bens.html (Ben’s flyfishing corner, contains info on PM, Ausable, Muskegon and Kalamazoo rivers) http://oeonline.com/~rmarsh/fishpg.html (Ricks flyfishing page, contains info on Ausable) For hatches you’ll probably see BLO, trico’s and caddis. Tight lines, Bob

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