You know yore from Arkansas if:
Oh palms thankyou for a great laugh. 
Jeanne
This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen
Helen me too. LOL Jeanne
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio.
Nonsense – they’re much classier in Ashtabula. Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy
You *know* Astabula??? I like Jefferson. Marley
You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.
BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.
BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.
Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap.
BTDT And I’m from NY.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. BTDT And I’m from NY.
Gasp! Your last name’s not "Clinton", is it? P2P
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy You *know* Astabula??? I like Jefferson. I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why. It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry. I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen.
Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!" Celeste 12/30/96
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why. It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry. I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio. If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake. BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once. I hear it’s better now… Nancy
Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there. It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot. The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area. One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car. oh oh. A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers. It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
<snip I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards. It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked.
*They* must have invented THONGS!!!! LOL Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!" Celeste 12/30/96
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why. It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry. I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio. If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake. BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once. I hear it’s better now… Nancy Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there. It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot. The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area. You mean…Aunt Bea? OH NOOOOOoooo… I thought that was homemade jam…
I don’t remember any Aunt Bea’s but there were some whacked out locals. One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) I actually did that once myself. Just once. I got into it without entirely understanding the situation, and I got tired of it really quickly.
I was working on a capital murder retrial. We won but the real killer walked anyway. He was supposedly the bastard son of one of the local chiefs of police and a snitch. when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car. oh oh. A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers. It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards. It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked. Nancy
Oh, please . It’s very late here. I spent a few hours on a train once with some Estonian women in sweaters adorned with gold lame tigers. Marley Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!" Celeste 12/30/96
You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P
22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program.
Uh-Oh!! 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.
Double Uh-Oh!! Becky Young ….Though nothing can bring back the hour of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower, We will grieve not; rather find strength in what remains behind — William Wordsworth
You know yore from Arkansas if:
snip 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement.
This one struck me as really funny for some reason – ROR! Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".
This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P
This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.
I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley
thanks kew i just need to get out there and try my hand at it now which is better a three prong or five prong gig? ive heard three is better. well wish me luck i really do want to do good the first time gigging. thanks john
When I used to live in New York I did quite a bit of flounder fishing from various beaches on Long Island. Since I was boatless I found the north shore (Long Island Sound) much easier to fish than the often raging Altantic. The two hours bracketing high tide were usually the best. I used pieces of sand worm cut into 1"-2" lengths. Drift along the bottom with a sliding sinker rig. These worms look like centipedes with short stubby legs and their mouth is just a little sphincter. If you squeeze them, two black claws emerge from their mouths. Kinda reminds me of those creatures that Ricardo Montalban shoved into Chekov’s ears in Star Trek II – Wrath of Khan. The worms are expensive – that’s why I used to cut them up. Although they feel soft, the pieces were quite resilient on the hook and didn’t tear up in the current or rocks and wouldn’t fly off during the cast. The flounder showed a definite preference for the worm although mussels, clams, squid and minnows also work. Live Killifish were the best however but as a kid I couldn’t afford them. Mu Young Lee nuclear physics group < Dept. of Physics = Univ of Michigan o oooo o o o o o o o o – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips? __ __ __ __ (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_) |`^`| Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games |`^`| /`-^-’ See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’ _) (_/ _) (_/
thanks ed any tips for gigging?
Go out at night with a spot lite or an overhead light. Try to find relatively clear though shallow water of 2 feet or so. the boat with the oar and then the flounder may flutter a bit, you’ll see the dust. Then you know what to do from there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks ed any tips for gigging?
well sarah flounder are found in brakish water and yes there are tides in freshwater too.all water is prone to the pull of gravity and thus does influence the fish and their habits.
They are a salt water fish. I’ve had some success fishing for flats (aka flounder, or flatfish ) on the rising tide. But the best time to go fishing is when you have time to fish! Ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: floundering i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips? Excuse me. I believe flounders are a fresh water. So why would you worry about tides? __ __ __ __ (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_) |`^`| Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games |`^`| /`-^-’ See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’ _) (_/ _) (_/
hey sarah, he’s talking about real flounder, not the ones you buy at the aquarium store for your fish tank. winter flounder, summer flounder and most flatfish are saltwater species.
Madam, you do not know whereof you speak. Obviously you have come here to learn, but that is difficult when speaking. PC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: floundering i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips? Excuse me. I believe flounders are a fresh water. So why would you worry about tides? __ __ __ __ (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_) |`^`| Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games |`^`| /`-^-’ See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’ _) (_/ _) (_/
– Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Section A7227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US (per infraction). E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.
RE: floundering i need info on flounder fishing. when is the best time? what is legal size? best time as far as tide? any other tips?
Excuse me. I believe flounders are a fresh water. So why would you worry about tides? __ __ __ __ (/_`_| From Mike’s Mess Bulletin Board in Antioch CA, USA (/_`_) |`^`| Internet e-mail, newsgroups and inter-bbs games |`^`| /`-^-’ See what the world was like before the internet. /`-^-’ _) (_/ _) (_/
I’m considering getting a spey type rod for SW fishing in Maine. I fish a lot of tidal rivers. Any suggestions on types of lines to consider (shooting heads or just a plain floating line ?) My main reason for considering a 2 handed rod is to not get so worn out flailing the water with my conventional 9 wt rod. I’ve never used a 2 handed rod but understand that it can be more efficient. Or should I just sit down and smoke a cigarette instead of beating the water to a froth when the fish aren’t biting ; ^). Thanks John
I’m considering getting a spey type rod for SW fishing in Maine. I fish a lot of tidal rivers. Any suggestions on types of lines to consider (shooting heads or just a plain floating line ?) My main reason for considering a 2 handed rod is to not get so worn out flailing the water with my conventional 9 wt rod. I’ve never used a 2 handed rod but understand that it can be more efficient. Or should I just sit down and smoke a cigarette instead of beating the water to a froth when the fish aren’t biting ; ^). Thanks John
John, Spey rods can work great in northeast saltwater. Doug Jowett, a well-known and respected guide in the Brunswick, Maine area recommends them. I haven’t used one yet, but I know what you mean about wearing out your shoulder on the 9 wt.
Hi ! PFMJI, but the theme touches me too. I just ordered a two-handed rod, that felt very easy to throw and is a good overhead casting machine, but I doubt it’ll be a good Speycasting device, nor I expect it to be good at windy conditions. Mine will be a G.Loomis GLX 11′ 6" 8/9 wt. Does anybody have expierience with casting such short 2-handed sticks? Isn’t, for Speycasting in particular, a longer Doublehanded rod nesseccary ? Thus, I doubt, a twohanded rod is a _good_ SW-Rod because of it’s _average_ length linked with the mostly windy conditions. So I expect it to be more tiring than a shorter rod. Any expieriences ? Thanks for your time
Just bought an Orvis Silver 15′ 10 wt. fast action for sw use in Florida, both for shore fishing fast tide water in passes and for casting to Tarpon, Redfish and Snook from a boat. Neat thing of the two hander is the ability to throw 60′ to 80′ with no backcast ( a modified roll cast) thereby not jeprodizing beach walkers and others on board when fishing from a boat. Have spent 4 to 5 hours at a time blind casting with a conventional 9 ft.12 wt. for Tarpon and a 9 ft. 9 wt. for Snook and Reds and can verify that the two hander, while a bit unwieldy to store and handle aboard a small boat, is sure a lot less tiring to use for extended periods. Largest fish so far was a 25# Sting Ray(ugh) on a 12# tippet which was beached and released in about 10 minutes, and a long line release of a Tarpon (50#??) after two jumps and about 10 minutes. I’m sold on it for certain conditions.
Just bought an Orvis Silver 15′ 10 wt. fast action for sw use in Florida, both for shore fishing fast tide water in passes and for casting to Tarpon, Redfish and Snook from a boat. Neat thing of the two hander is the ability to throw 60′ to 80′ with no backcast ( a modified roll cast) thereby not jeprodizing beach walkers and others on board when fishing from a boat. Have spent 4 to 5 hours at a time blind casting with a conventional 9 ft.12 wt. for Tarpon and a 9 ft. 9 wt. for Snook and Reds and can verify that the two hander, while a bit unwieldy to store and handle aboard a small boat, is sure a lot less tiring to use for extended periods. Largest fish so far was a 25# Sting Ray(ugh) on a 12# tippet which was beached and released in about 10 minutes, and a long line release of a Tarpon (50#??) after two jumps and about 10 minutes. I’m sold on it for certain conditions.
Hi Jay, We will be using two handed, 14′ rods for Shad in the American River this spring. I think it will be good practice for Steelhead and Atlantic Salmon fishing. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : a good definition of the term bifluorescence : I’m not an entomologist, but I do make my living observing : fluorescence. I : don’t believe I’ve ever heard the term… is it specific to insects? : I would be interested in knowing about fish perception … : Are trout more sensitive to UV, vis or IR radiation? : What exactly, do fish "see?" : As one might guess based on the fact that Rick hasn’t heard of this, it is : indeed a highly obscure term. I ran it by a few of my colleagues who use : fluorescent tags in their work and some others who work on vision. : Several of : us could loosely be referred to as entomologists. None were familiar : with it, : although we did manage to dig up a few recent references that use the : adjective : bifluorescent, in each case referring to things (not insects or any other : kind : of fish food) that fluoresce at two different wavelengths. This may not be : very satisfying, but it does make sense. Could be, but everything fluoresces at multiple wavelengths except the very expensive lasers or the much less expensive diode lasers. I thinbk you refer to organism or compounds that fluoresce with two discernible *peak* intensities. In any case, another thread indicates the original poster meant "biofluorescence". But lets ignore that for now and talk about the rest of your post. : Of perhaps more significance is the skepticism with which the vision types : greeted the possibility that fluorescence could be significant with : regard to : surface feeding. There’s so much ambient light that fluorescence would : not be : likely to be important. In contrast, at depths where light becomes more : monochromatic, fluorescence could indeed become significant. Excellent point, and rephrased, it is simialr to the fact that stars in the sky cannot be seen at night even though they are there. Only when ambient light levels drop at night can the stars be seen against the background. A fish looking up at the sky will see high amounts of ambient UV. I know that water begins to absorb light strongly near 200 nanometers. The UV is usually defined as wavelengths shorter than 400 nanometers or so. This leaves a window from approximately 220 nm – 400 nm of UV open for transmission through water. : As for what fish see, there was a decent article in Fly Fisherman (?) a few : years back on how trout see. As I recall, it dealt mostly with the : windows of : visibility and visual acuity, but there was also some stuff about color : vision. : I don’t have the info on spectral sensitivity for trout specifically, : but many : fish are known to be sensitive to UV. Specifics are always good. : As an aside, for what it’s worth, I’ve never paid much attention to the : information on trout spectral sensitivities. While I know that there are : many : who swear by exacting attention to colors, it’s been my experience that color : isn’t all that important. I’m not quite ready for the "Adams for everything" : approach (although I know it works well for some, at least), but light, : medium : and dark has usually worked just fine. I would say that specific colors, like green or orange, will work well on specific days. BTW, I would guess that most of the synthetic materials fluoresce in around 250 nm. : My experience, which may not be : typical, has likely been colored by my propensity for fishing small : dries, but : I had a little chuckle when a colleague who works on vision suggested : that most : likely all the fish usually see is a silhouette. Especially the ones down deep. Scattering would be a real hindrance to correct color perception for fish that are deep. (Except of course on Idaho streams, where the water is so clear one must get out of the rivers to pee in their waders.) : Bummer, Rick. Maybe it would look better under UV. Bring out the black lights… it’s time to party! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Who said that?
: : a good definition of the term bifluorescence : I’m not an entomologist, but I do make my living observing : fluorescence. I : don’t believe I’ve ever heard the term… is it specific to insects? : I would be interested in knowing about fish perception … : Are trout more sensitive to UV, vis or IR radiation? : What exactly, do fish "see?" : As one might guess based on the fact that Rick hasn’t heard of this, it is : indeed a highly obscure term. I ran it by a few of my colleagues who use : fluorescent tags in their work and some others who work on vision. : Several of : us could loosely be referred to as entomologists. None were familiar : with it, : although we did manage to dig up a few recent references that use the : adjective : bifluorescent, in each case referring to things (not insects or any other : kind : of fish food) that fluoresce at two different wavelengths. This may not be : very satisfying, but it does make sense. Could be, but everything fluoresces at multiple wavelengths except the very expensive lasers or the much less expensive diode lasers. I thinbk you refer to organism or compounds that fluoresce with two discernible *peak* intensities. In any case, another thread indicates the original poster meant "biofluorescence". But lets ignore that for now and talk about the rest of your post. : Of perhaps more significance is the skepticism with which the vision types : greeted the possibility that fluorescence could be significant with : regard to : surface feeding. There’s so much ambient light that fluorescence would : not be : likely to be important. In contrast, at depths where light becomes more : monochromatic, fluorescence could indeed become significant. Excellent point, and rephrased, it is simialr to the fact that stars in the sky cannot be seen at night even though they are there. Only when ambient light levels drop at night can the stars be seen against the background. A fish looking up at the sky will see high amounts of ambient UV. I know that water begins to absorb light strongly near 200 nanometers. The UV is usually defined as wavelengths shorter than 400 nanometers or so. This leaves a window from approximately 220 nm – 400 nm of UV open for transmission through water. : As for what fish see, there was a decent article in Fly Fisherman (?) a few : years back on how trout see. As I recall, it dealt mostly with the : windows of : visibility and visual acuity, but there was also some stuff about color : vision. : I don’t have the info on spectral sensitivity for trout specifically, : but many : fish are known to be sensitive to UV. Specifics are always good. : As an aside, for what it’s worth, I’ve never paid much attention to the : information on trout spectral sensitivities. While I know that there are : many : who swear by exacting attention to colors, it’s been my experience that color : isn’t all that important. I’m not quite ready for the "Adams for everything" : approach (although I know it works well for some, at least), but light, : medium : and dark has usually worked just fine. I would say that specific colors, like green or orange, will work well on specific days. BTW, I would guess that most of the synthetic materials fluoresce in around 250 nm. : My experience, which may not be : typical, has likely been colored by my propensity for fishing small : dries, but : I had a little chuckle when a colleague who works on vision suggested : that most : likely all the fish usually see is a silhouette. Especially the ones down deep. Scattering would be a real hindrance to correct color perception for fish that are deep. (Except of course on Idaho streams, where the water is so clear one must get out of the rivers to pee in their waders.) : Bummer, Rick. Maybe it would look better under UV. Bring out the black lights… it’s time to party! — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
: a good definition of the term bifluorescence I’m not an entomologist, but I do make my living observing fluorescence. I
don’t believe I’ve ever heard the term… is it specific to insects? I would be interested in knowing about fish perception … Are trout more sensitive to UV, vis or IR radiation? What exactly, do fish "see?"
As one might guess based on the fact that Rick hasn’t heard of this, it is indeed a highly obscure term. I ran it by a few of my colleagues who use fluorescent tags in their work and some others who work on vision. Several of us could loosely be referred to as entomologists. None were familiar with it, although we did manage to dig up a few recent references that use the adjective bifluorescent, in each case referring to things (not insects or any other kind of fish food) that fluoresce at two different wavelengths. This may not be very satisfying, but it does make sense. Of perhaps more significance is the skepticism with which the vision types greeted the possibility that fluorescence could be significant with regard to surface feeding. There’s so much ambient light that fluorescence would not be likely to be important. In contrast, at depths where light becomes more monochromatic, fluorescence could indeed become significant. As for what fish see, there was a decent article in Fly Fisherman (?) a few years back on how trout see. As I recall, it dealt mostly with the windows of visibility and visual acuity, but there was also some stuff about color vision. I don’t have the info on spectral sensitivity for trout specifically, but many fish are known to be sensitive to UV. As an aside, for what it’s worth, I’ve never paid much attention to the information on trout spectral sensitivities. While I know that there are many who swear by exacting attention to colors, it’s been my experience that color isn’t all that important. I’m not quite ready for the "Adams for everything" approach (although I know it works well for some, at least), but light, medium and dark has usually worked just fine. My experience, which may not be typical, has likely been colored by my propensity for fishing small dries, but I had a little chuckle when a colleague who works on vision suggested that most likely all the fish usually see is a silhouette. I just painted my living room and it turned out pink!!
Bummer, Rick. Maybe it would look better under UV. Bill S.
Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area?
Joe Butler says that both Taylor and Gunnison rivers have been fishing well. He says to use "Egg Flies, Carpet Egg Flies, Mysis Shrimp, Sonefiles, tan shrimp, olive shrimp and orange shrimp. San Juan Worms will pick up a few fish also, as will the 20-incher pattern." "As the water rises from the bigger releases from the dams," says Butler, "the orange shrimp and the San Juans become more effectivbe. Why? Because shrimp that die when they come through the dams turn orange. These free floating morsels of food are easy pickens for the trout below." "The San Juan Worms get lots of attention as the river rises, mainly because the banks along the stream’s edge are getting washed into the river." — | Liberty Communications — Michael P. Thompson | | Writing, editing, desktop publishing, consulting | | <http://www.ecentral.com/members/thompson |
Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area? Thanks and Regards, Steve
I am planning a colo kayak/fly fish vacation and may be too early as i am forced to go july 17 to 31. I have been watching the following page like a hawk and the levels are not about to let up !! only good for kayakers with a death wish! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -http://webserver.cr.usgs.gov/station_data/co_realtime/html/current_li…<<<
I am planning a colo kayak/fly fish vacation and may be too early as i am forced to go july 17 to 31. I have been watching the following page like a hawk and the levels are not about to let up !! only good for kayakers with a death wish!
I’m confident that Colorado rivers will be down and quite fishable by mid July. Early July is more dubious for fishing (but is probably a better time for floating). — -Wayne Trzyna
Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area? Thanks and Regards, Steve
Does anyone have any information on the conditions of the rivers in the Crested Butte area?
It looks like most rivers in Colorado are going to remain blown-out until well into July. — -Wayne Trzyna
that said, it would still be my *earnest* recommendation to blow off all of the places you’ve ever heard about, get in the car, get a map and head to those places that are green on the map with lots of x’s (indicating BIG mountain peaks) and blues (rivers, lakes and creeks). Don’t get to hung up on a spot unless you really like it…inquire in the local stores, buy something…plan to hike to your spot…you might find something you weren’t even looking for. Your pal, TimW
I agree 1000% . It may take a few trips to find what you like, but it’s well worth the "work" !!! Harry (See Tim, we don’t always disagree g<)
Hello All! Planning a trip with my brother and son the first of August to do some primitive camping and fly fishing. My brother lives in Denver and we will be launching the "expedition" from his house. <G What I would like to know is how are the rivers running so far. My brother and I fished both the Frying Pan and the South Platte two or three times last year, and didn’t do very well at either one. Ideally we would want someplace that isn’t heavily fished or camped, but where we have a better than even chance of catching a few fish. We can four wheel it, or some hiking is not out of the question (son just got out of Marine Corps training and we can use him as a mule <G). Gold Medal Water fishing is not needed, as fishing Gold Metal Water didn’t really help us last year. Open to suggestions. K. — |Fidonet: K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
[deleted] Corps training and we can use him as a mule <G). Gold Medal Water fishing is not needed, as fishing Gold Metal Water didn’t really help us last year. Open to suggestions.
the gold medal water in colorado generally has a lot of fish…sometimes they just get pucker-headed in August (or anytime…directly proportional to the amount of time, money and planning invested in the trip)….when it warms up…on the other hand, if you nail it just right it can be awesome. that said, it would still be my *earnest* recommendation to blow off all of the places you’ve ever heard about, get in the car, get a map and head to those places that are green on the map with lots of x’s (indicating BIG mountain peaks) and blues (rivers, lakes and creeks). Don’t get to hung up on a spot unless you really like it…inquire in the local stores, buy something…plan to hike to your spot…you might find something you weren’t even looking for. Your pal, TimW
Hi everybody! Has anybody got any advice about flyfishing in New Zeeland. I’m planning a trip there and would like to know where, when … Thanks /Micke A - Sweden –
Hi everybody! Has anybody got any advice about flyfishing in New Zeeland. I’m planning a trip there and would like to know where, when … Thanks /Micke A - Sweden –
Hi there, Try http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro This is the NZ flyfishing page. good luck….
Micke, Check out: http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro /Tord Andreasson
Best thing I ever found for high mountain lakes is a black ant. You can fish it with spinning gear or fly gear just a few feet from shore. Simply tie the ant on – it is heavy enough to cast 10-12 feet which is enough. Of course, it is a sinking fly. Just let it sink as an insect which has fallen into the water would do… You can even make it from horsehair (as I once did) and it works just fine. Works best when wind riffles the water (which, of course makes it hard to detect bites!) so that fish cannot see you. They often cruise around the edges of the lake waiting for something to drop in, but with the clear water, the big problem is preventing them from seeing you. For spinners – use small spinners, all black or dull brass during the day and small silver spinners very early or late. Good fishing! Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have some questions about how folk fish mountain lakes. I spin and I do a little flyfishing. I have used fly bobbers with a little success. I have used spinners with a little success too. I have thot of packing in a float tube but it’s a bit much for *me* to try to pack that awkward mess in an hour and a half. So these are my questions: 1. How do you fish a fly and fly bobber? wet, dry, drowned (I got a 7
: Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle : of Montrose, California? Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe : the first in southern California. He invented the Streaker SW fly and : pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal. I last saw Sierra Tackle : catalogue in about 1974, I think. If anybody has some information, I’d : appreciate hearing. Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. William Buchman …I’m confused
Yes you may be. Sierra Tackle went out of business about twenty years ago but Ned continued doing business under Cutthroat Hook Company until he was too ill to operate it. Ken Lindsay Fly Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com
Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California? Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California. He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal. I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think. If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing. Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. Cliff Wyatt ran the Wilderness Shoppe in Santa Monics. I think that it preceded Ned Grey’s. Even so, I would be surprised if even Wyatt was first. William Buchman
: Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle : of Montrose, California? Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe : the first in southern California. He invented the Streaker SW fly and : pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal. I last saw Sierra Tackle : catalogue in about 1974, I think. If anybody has some information, I’d : appreciate hearing. Sean, I’m sorry to tell you that Ned passed away about six years ago after a long battle with emphysema. Ned was an inspiration over the years to many flyfishers and his inovative patterns and techniques were passed on Ken Lindsey Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. William Buchman …I’m confused
I live in La Crescenta, just up the hill from Montrose. I used to drive to Ned’s shop when I lived out in Canoga Park. And then, after I moved to La Crescenta, Ned closed his shop (I don’t think I drove him to it!) I do not know if he opened another shop or not. Rick
Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California? Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California. He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal. I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think. If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing. Thanks Sean Barry
Sean, I’m sorry to tell you that Ned passed away about six years ago after a long battle with Emphezima(spell?). Ned was an inspiration over the years to many flyfishers and his inovative patterns and techniques were passed on with an enthusiasm for the sport that was infectious. Ned got me started in saltwater fly rodding in 1972 and I still treasure one of his early Calico bass patterns that was tossed across the counter with the admonition " don’t worry what kind of tackle you have just throw that son of a bitch out there and see what eats it." I did and they ate it and I thank Ned for introducing me to a whole new spectrum of our sport. Ned was truly a pioneer of the sport and I feel privaliged to have known him. Tight Lines, Ken Lindsay FLy Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com
Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California? Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California. He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal. I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think. If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing. Thanks Sean Barry
I’d like to hear if others have received replacements from Cortland (or your local fly shops). Has the problem been fixed? (I just bought a Lazer 4wt.) Your thoughts will be appreciated. TK
My Lazerline began cracking after about 3 or 4 uses. Cortland will replace cracked lines (through the shop from which it was purchased, if you prefer, and if they have them in stock, this way is quickest). However, although Cortland has claimed to have fixed the problem, the manager of the local fly shop from which my line was purchased claims that 1 in 3 replacement lines still come back prematurely cracked. I will continue to have mine replaced as long as I can get an immediate replacement at Cortland’s expense, but I’ll never purchase another Lazerline. GPS
I also have difficulty with laserline cracking. I had a 4 wt., 7 wt., 9wt. all crack after very little fishing time. I thought it was my fault for storage. I asked at the fly shop where I bought them and he said there had been only one other complaint. All in all I would say the line cracked in about 1/2 the time I usually get out of a fly line. FlyphishR
Had my laserline crack within the first year, also (they used to call it Lasterline, but had to change the name). My vote’s for SA SUPREME, if you can trust a line that doesn’t cost you $50! Have a Triangle taper on a reel I don’t use much…it did not revolutionize the way I fish, and am not sure that I can roll cast any better on it than any other line, although maybe it shines on LONG roll casts, something I am not prone to attempt… Lon C. Diehl
My 8wt Laserline fractured at the point where the line came off the reel after my average cast. The break in the coating was clean and the core remained intact. After a call to Courtland a replacement quickly arrived. The new line (2nd season now) seems better. HH — Harrison Hubard,Jr. 202 Berkshire Rd Richmond,Va 23221
I was recently informed by a fellow fly fisherman that lazerline in his experience began to crack quite prematurely. As i am considering updating my lines this year I would appreciate any info. Also what about Lee Wulfs triangle taper?comments? cheers — gp
Your fellow fly fisherman put you on the right track! The Cortland444-lazerline does not hold up. Right away you can tell something is wrong with line- it feels rough through the rod guides- and decreases over all casting accuracy at distances over twenty-five feet of so. Cracking makes itself present after just a few months of normal use. * As You Marinate your Sean R Borgerson * Melon With My Words… Vancouver, WA. * …I’ll Be Matching the * Hatch On The River Of * Choice
yes I have had that problem too. I’m just going to wait and go back to a SA mastery 3. Which I feel casts much better anyway.
I was recently informed by a fellow fly fisherman that lazerline in his experience began to crack quite prematurely. As i am considering updating my lines this year I would appreciate any info. Also what about Lee Wulfs triangle taper?comments? cheers — gp
I have had extreme cracking problems with my 3 wt lazerline. They have been nice enough to replace it THREE times, but it is a real pain waiting.
Mt dad sent his Laser lines back to Cortland and they replaced them for free. Said that early models had plastic compound problems. Send ‘em back, bet yu get afree one (oh yeah, you’ll owe me a beer for the advice!)
I was recently informed by a fellow fly fisherman that lazerline in his experience began to crack quite prematurely. As i am considering updating my lines this year I would appreciate any info. Also what about Lee Wulfs triangle taper?comments?
I had a 6wt. lazer that I REALLY liked…after about 8 months it began cracking and was soon un-fishable. I didn’t think too much of it and replaced it with another brand (simply because I was on a trip at the time and that’s all I could get…I would have prefered another Lazer). I had no idea others were experiencing the same problem and never thought of sending it back to be replaced 
I’d like to hear if others have received replacements from Cortland (or your local fly shops). Has the problem been fixed? (I just bought a Lazer 4wt.) Your thoughts will be appreciated. TK
writes: I have had extreme cracking problems with my 3 wt lazerline. They have been nice enough to replace it THREE times, but it is a real pain waiting.
Is anyone having this problem with Cortland’s other lines? Incidently, I have heard about this problem from guides I fish with.
I just purchased a Lazer Line from my local shop. The owner convinced me that it was his favorite line because it was supple. He said the Courtland people said they had some trouble with their early lines but had fixed the problem. He said if the line wore out too soon he would replace the line. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC
We have a TU group going into Alaska this summer to flyfish. It’s expensive but the quality is sensational. The attached letter was sent to this year’s participants. If you have any interest please e-mail me. Copy of letter:
If you send me an e-mail I will send you copy of my letter containing all the info on trip. Thanks!