Nothing ventured, nothing gained…go for it. My experience on Lakes Michigan and Superior in a 24-ft cabin boat has been good, but I venture out with radar, GPS-chartplotter, Loran, 2 VHF radios, 2 depthfinders, and a backup 15-hp outboard motor. And I nearly always see, at the boat launch, some crusty old fisherman heading out in a 14-ft jon boat with 25-hp outboard…amazing balls. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
Unless you get 4 miles to the gallon, forget it. 1/3 out, 1/3 in and a 1/3 in reserve. Tuna requires trolling, lots at about 8-9 mph. Not enough fuel capacity, unless the albies get inside of about 10 miles. I have a 21′ and carry 67 gallon, and get about 2 mpg and I won’t do it. Post a request to be a hitchhiker on the www.Coastsidefishingclub.com board and you will get a ride and live to fish again. Bill
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you. I’ve gone 20-30 miles in the Atlantic in smaller boats than that. You really need expertise in weather observation, a high antenna on a fixed, not portable, VHF radio, an extra battery and enough smarts to know when not to go out. And bring along a spare six gallon tank and hose. Try going out in the company of a couple of boats. And buy yourself some Type I life jackets, the real deal kind, and consider an EPIRB. Make sure you have a way to climb back in your boat if you get knocked overboard. Same here. The buddy system applies. Dont’ quite agree with the 6 gallon tank theory, however. That would get me about 5 miles closer before I choke…..
Hello, Thanks for the replies and will not venture out without the recommendations. No EPIRB here. Just some safety flares. The boats a 1990 Bayliner cuddy, dual batteries, reliable with rebuilt powerhead. I bought this second hand and always thought it had a 30gallon tank. I always refill the tank before a trip so dont know how much it really holds..lol. thanks! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is all well and good. It is not the size of the boat in question. The boat you mention obviously held a lot more than 30 gallons of fuel. I would also strongly suspect that he had more than a hand held VHF for emergency communication needs. Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Tred Barta made his name fishing bigeyes 85-90 miles out of Shinnecock Inlet in the "Randi Strike", a 19′ Mako CC. That was 25 years ago.
Be nice Harry… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Thanks for the replies and will not venture out without the recommendations. No EPIRB here. Just some safety flares. The boats a 1990 Bayliner cuddy, dual batteries, reliable with rebuilt powerhead. I bought this second hand and always thought it had a 30gallon tank. I always refill the tank before a trip so dont know how much it really holds..lol. thanks! This is all well and good. It is not the size of the boat in question. The boat you mention obviously held a lot more than 30 gallons of fuel. I would also strongly suspect that he had more than a hand held VHF for emergency communication needs. Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Tred Barta made his name fishing bigeyes 85-90 miles out of Shinnecock Inlet in the "Randi Strike", a 19′ Mako CC. That was 25 years ago.
Be nice Harry…
How can he? He’s the consummate evildoer of this NG. — Skipper
Hello, Thanks for the replies and will not venture out without the recommendations. No EPIRB here. Just some safety flares. The boats a 1990 Bayliner cuddy, dual batteries, reliable with rebuilt powerhead. I bought this second hand and always thought it had a 30gallon tank. I always refill the tank before a trip so dont know how much it really holds..lol. thanks!
Yikes! Is it a Force outboard? I wouldn’t trust that setup, 13 years old, offshore. Especially if you don’t know how much gas it holds. How old are the batteries? Do you have towing insurance? Just some more questions to think about…
JAX has just reduced his percentage of useful posts to about 8% with the latests posts…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ben thur, dun dat writes to tell us just how scared he is of the water with: (way to go, bt,dd) geesh. another guy tied to the dock when the wind is greater than 8 knots and telling how safety conscious he is. Like Harry, I would strongly suggest an installed VHF with tall antenna – hand held only broadcast 3-5 miles with their 3 watt output max. (you might get a little better in ideal conditions – but don’t bet your life on it! Installed will get you up to around 25 mile range fairly reliably (potential further)- 25 watts out put makes a world of difference. I also agree that EPIRB would be a good idea. But definitely do not trust the hand held VHF to get you help in a jam. Dan touched on what may be an even bigger concern – 30 gallon gas tank. You state that you have a 120 HP. Is this an outboard or I/OF? What is your gas consumption = MPG? If this is a gas I/OF – very common in 20′ cuddies I would be very concerned about getting out 20 miles and back on that amount of fuel. If you hit any surprises in weather – cut MPG in half or more! Most I/Os on that size boat will get around 2 -3 MPG in reasonably calm conditions. Not a lot of room for error. Weather is the real wildcard. Pick your days and keep an eye on the sky. I have been out 20 miles in a center console about that size off Hatters, NC. It is doable…but keep a real close eye on the weather — gets pretty breezy & rough in the area you are talking about. I fished on a charter in that basic area a couple of years ago – charter boat was mid 30′ bridge boat – we got tossed around pretty good. About six weeks ago I was fishing out of Ft. Lauderdale. We ended up a bit over 20 miles out before we gave up on fishing and decided to go to Bimini (Bahamas). I found it on my GPSmap 76 and off we went. It was 58 miles from port to port and we made the trip back in just over two hours. The amazing part is that we burned only 28 gallons of gas on this 116 mile round trip with at least a hour of trolling included. We were in my 20′ center console with a 115 four stroke. It’s all a matter of sea conditions and the weather. This was an incredibly flat day with clear skies. We were prepared to leave the boat in Bimini and fly back as a last resort if the weather went to hell on us. This was one of those stupid "so I can say I was there" trips. Typically I will go out only 15 – 20 miles. At that point there are still plenty of other boats in the area and usually cell phone coverage if the VHF craps out. Are you sure you only have a 30 gallon fuel tank? That would be my #1 concern. The handheld VHF would be right there at #2. Dan Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
Well, I’ve never been "offshore" except twice around Cape Caution, but… I agree about the redundancy. Get, at the least, a good "get-you-home" kicker with a separate fuel tank. An in-dash VHF is under $200 – why not? And it sounds like an EPIRB is a good idea too. Another good idea would be an inflatable dinghy to get into if the boat DOES sink. "Real" offshore boats have special emergency rafts that autoinflate, etc. but you probably don’t need to go that far. And I can never understand boaters who don’t know how much fuel they carry, or what their range is! DEFINELY find out what your range is, and the range of your kicker, before venturing any distance. Lloyd Sumpter "Valkyrie" Campion 18 – 20 gals, 110mile range – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Thanks for the replies and will not venture out without the recommendations. No EPIRB here. Just some safety flares. The boats a 1990 Bayliner cuddy, dual batteries, reliable with rebuilt powerhead. I bought this second hand and always thought it had a 30gallon tank. I always refill the tank before a trip so dont know how much it really holds..lol. thanks! This is all well and good. It is not the size of the boat in question. The boat you mention obviously held a lot more than 30 gallons of fuel. I would also strongly suspect that he had more than a hand held VHF for emergency communication needs. Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Tred Barta made his name fishing bigeyes 85-90 miles out of Shinnecock Inlet in the "Randi Strike", a 19′ Mako CC. That was 25 years ago.
Your comments on redundancy are right on the money in my experience. On the other hand, I’ve seen those "gentle blue water rollers" break onto the deck of a 50 footer. On a 50 foot boat that just creates a little commotion for a few seconds, but in a 20 foot cuddy you’re likely to get a sinking sensation. Looking beyond gear failure, there are some other risks difficult to avoid such as late afternoon thunderstorms, fast moving cold fronts, and breaking conditions in the inlets caused by tide and offshore swells. Things can change in a hurry even on a day that starts board flat and looks stable. Important to remember that small boats have small safety margins. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I always have been told and adhered to the redundancy rule. A backup for everything when going off-shore. Such as engines, fuel tanks, radios, batteries(you got that covered), safety equipment, food, water etc. Are you sure you want to trust everything to your set up with no redundancy? I spend my time in the mid Chesapeake Bay in a 26′ Bayliner. The rollers there can get pretty nasty with high frequency four to six footers. I’ve been told blue water rollers are more gentle because of the lower frequency. Your seamanship is to be applauded, but I suggest you adopt more redundancy.
I always have been told and adhered to the redundancy rule. A backup for everything when going off-shore. Such as engines, fuel tanks, radios, batteries(you got that covered), safety equipment, food, water etc. Are you sure you want to trust everything to your set up with no redundancy? I spend my time in the mid Chesapeake Bay in a 26′ Bayliner. The rollers there can get pretty nasty with high frequency four to six footers. I’ve been told blue water rollers are more gentle because of the lower frequency. Your seamanship is to be applauded, but I suggest you adopt more redundancy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Thanks for the replies and will not venture out without the recommendations. No EPIRB here. Just some safety flares. The boats a 1990 Bayliner cuddy, dual batteries, reliable with rebuilt powerhead. I bought this second hand and always thought it had a 30gallon tank. I always refill the tank before a trip so dont know how much it really holds..lol. thanks! This is all well and good. It is not the size of the boat in question. The boat you mention obviously held a lot more than 30 gallons of fuel. I would also strongly suspect that he had more than a hand held VHF for emergency communication needs. Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Tred Barta made his name fishing bigeyes 85-90 miles out of Shinnecock Inlet in the "Randi Strike", a 19′ Mako CC. That was 25 years ago.
ben thur, dun dat writes to tell us just how scared he is of the water with: (way to go, bt,dd) geesh. another guy tied to the dock when the wind is greater than 8 knots and telling how safety conscious he is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like Harry, I would strongly suggest an installed VHF with tall antenna – hand held only broadcast 3-5 miles with their 3 watt output max. (you might get a little better in ideal conditions – but don’t bet your life on it! Installed will get you up to around 25 mile range fairly reliably (potential further)- 25 watts out put makes a world of difference. I also agree that EPIRB would be a good idea. But definitely do not trust the hand held VHF to get you help in a jam. Dan touched on what may be an even bigger concern – 30 gallon gas tank. You state that you have a 120 HP. Is this an outboard or I/OF? What is your gas consumption = MPG? If this is a gas I/OF – very common in 20′ cuddies I would be very concerned about getting out 20 miles and back on that amount of fuel. If you hit any surprises in weather – cut MPG in half or more! Most I/Os on that size boat will get around 2 -3 MPG in reasonably calm conditions. Not a lot of room for error. Weather is the real wildcard. Pick your days and keep an eye on the sky. I have been out 20 miles in a center console about that size off Hatters, NC. It is doable…but keep a real close eye on the weather — gets pretty breezy & rough in the area you are talking about. I fished on a charter in that basic area a couple of years ago – charter boat was mid 30′ bridge boat – we got tossed around pretty good. About six weeks ago I was fishing out of Ft. Lauderdale. We ended up a bit over 20 miles out before we gave up on fishing and decided to go to Bimini (Bahamas). I found it on my GPSmap 76 and off we went. It was 58 miles from port to port and we made the trip back in just over two hours. The amazing part is that we burned only 28 gallons of gas on this 116 mile round trip with at least a hour of trolling included. We were in my 20′ center console with a 115 four stroke. It’s all a matter of sea conditions and the weather. This was an incredibly flat day with clear skies. We were prepared to leave the boat in Bimini and fly back as a last resort if the weather went to hell on us. This was one of those stupid "so I can say I was there" trips. Typically I will go out only 15 – 20 miles. At that point there are still plenty of other boats in the area and usually cell phone coverage if the VHF craps out. Are you sure you only have a 30 gallon fuel tank? That would be my #1 concern. The handheld VHF would be right there at #2. Dan Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
Like Harry, I would strongly suggest an installed VHF with tall antenna – hand held only broadcast 3-5 miles with their 3 watt output max. (you might get a little better in ideal conditions – but don’t bet your life on it! Installed will get you up to around 25 mile range fairly reliably (potential further)- 25 watts out put makes a world of difference. I also agree that EPIRB would be a good idea. But definitely do not trust the hand held VHF to get you help in a jam. Dan touched on what may be an even bigger concern – 30 gallon gas tank. You state that you have a 120 HP. Is this an outboard or I/OF? What is your gas consumption = MPG? If this is a gas I/OF – very common in 20′ cuddies I would be very concerned about getting out 20 miles and back on that amount of fuel. If you hit any surprises in weather – cut MPG in half or more! Most I/Os on that size boat will get around 2 -3 MPG in reasonably calm conditions. Not a lot of room for error. Weather is the real wildcard. Pick your days and keep an eye on the sky. I have been out 20 miles in a center console about that size off Hatters, NC. It is doable…but keep a real close eye on the weather — gets pretty breezy & rough in the area you are talking about. I fished on a charter in that basic area a couple of years ago – charter boat was mid 30′ bridge boat – we got tossed around pretty good.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About six weeks ago I was fishing out of Ft. Lauderdale. We ended up a bit over 20 miles out before we gave up on fishing and decided to go to Bimini (Bahamas). I found it on my GPSmap 76 and off we went. It was 58 miles from port to port and we made the trip back in just over two hours. The amazing part is that we burned only 28 gallons of gas on this 116 mile round trip with at least a hour of trolling included. We were in my 20′ center console with a 115 four stroke. It’s all a matter of sea conditions and the weather. This was an incredibly flat day with clear skies. We were prepared to leave the boat in Bimini and fly back as a last resort if the weather went to hell on us. This was one of those stupid "so I can say I was there" trips. Typically I will go out only 15 – 20 miles. At that point there are still plenty of other boats in the area and usually cell phone coverage if the VHF craps out. Are you sure you only have a 30 gallon fuel tank? That would be my #1 concern. The handheld VHF would be right there at #2. Dan Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy?
Tred Barta made his name fishing bigeyes 85-90 miles out of Shinnecock Inlet in the "Randi Strike", a 19′ Mako CC. That was 25 years ago.
This is all well and good. It is not the size of the boat in question. The boat you mention obviously held a lot more than 30 gallons of fuel. I would also strongly suspect that he had more than a hand held VHF for emergency communication needs.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Tred Barta made his name fishing bigeyes 85-90 miles out of Shinnecock Inlet in the "Randi Strike", a 19′ Mako CC. That was 25 years ago.
30 gallons sounds awfully small for a 20 ft. boat.
Agreed. And 120Hp seems like a very small engine, as well. My 18′ CC has a 150HP Merc OB and a 60-gallon tank. I would strongly advise against going further out, without making some major adjustments in his capabilities. e.g. installing more fuel capacity, and being almost fanatical about weather-watching. I’ve been 40-50 miles out (in a commercial fishing boat) in the Pacific out of Oregon, and it was pretty scary. Unlike the short-period waves we have in the Gulf, these were HUGE rollers, a city block or more thick. I’d hate to be out there when they started kicking up. 120hp and 30 gallons of gas, in a 20 footer? No way. Ron M.
Jim, I’d be surprised if your handheld VHF was strong enough, 25 miles out, to reach shore without an external antenna. Paul — "The opinions expressed in the article are the opinions of the author, not of Ford Motor Company. " – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
I go out about 20 miles off Boston Harbor sometimes in my 19 foot boat, but only when there is flat water and a stable high presure area in place with little chance of bad weather kicking up. I keep my vhf on and monitor the weather channel and radio stations for any surprize weather. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
About six weeks ago I was fishing out of Ft. Lauderdale. We ended up a bit over 20 miles out before we gave up on fishing and decided to go to Bimini (Bahamas). I found it on my GPSmap 76 and off we went. It was 58 miles from port to port and we made the trip back in just over two hours. The amazing part is that we burned only 28 gallons of gas on this 116 mile round trip with at least a hour of trolling included. We were in my 20′ center console with a 115 four stroke. It’s all a matter of sea conditions and the weather. This was an incredibly flat day with clear skies. We were prepared to leave the boat in Bimini and fly back as a last resort if the weather went to hell on us. This was one of those stupid "so I can say I was there" trips. Typically I will go out only 15 – 20 miles. At that point there are still plenty of other boats in the area and usually cell phone coverage if the VHF craps out. Are you sure you only have a 30 gallon fuel tank? That would be my #1 concern. The handheld VHF would be right there at #2. Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
30 gallons sounds awfully small for a 20 ft. boat. I’ve got a 26′ powercat with twin 150’s and 180 gallons of fuel and I am always a little nervous (rightly so) about going off more than 20 miles. A handheld VHF will NOT cut it, as Dan mentioned, nor the 30 gallon fuel tank. You just can’t trust the weather service with forcasts. They might say that the winds will pick up in 24 hours, but all of the sudden, you are in 20 kt winds. Then you are in real trouble. Usually I burn about 65 gal on a normal 12 hour trolling trip, but once, when the weather turn on me prematurely, it took about 130 gal to get home in terribly steep head seas. In general, I wouldn’t recommend it. I’m usually the smallest boat out in the deep and I definitely feel it when the weather turns. There are way too many things that go wrong. BTW, you didn’t mention an EPIRB in your list… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
Hello, I fish regularly at Halfmoon Bay up to Pacifca (CA) for salmon, halibut, etc. I want to go out farther for Albacore but have never ventured more than a couple miles offshore. I have fished through 10ft swells but never any high winds. With my etrex GPS and handheld VHF, can I go out 25 miles offshore in my 120HP, 30gallons, 20ft cuddy or does that sound crazy? Any opinions would be appreciated…thank you.
Back legs extended, front claws out – Back Scratcher. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. Another cat person – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On its back legs up … magazine rack that doesn’t scuff the covers. Steve (Actually a cat person … especially Abyssinians)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, evidently Mr. Reid did, though it bears mentioning that Mr. Reid implies (at least) that he has no memory or knowledge of having said anything that would indicate that he did. On the other hand, Mr. Reid would, we hope, certainly deny that he made any such denial, especially in light of the documentary record plainly demonstrating the utter absence of any such denial. Meanwhile, Mr. Reid, having recently returned to the fold, is up to his old tricks vis a vis objectors objecting to objections, while simultaneously and vehemently objecting to the notion that he ever left in the first place. The careful reader will, of course, not be fooled by any of the foregoing as it clear, plain, and uncategorically inarguable that that couldn’t possibly have happened given the time constraints and the relative implausibility of Mr. Reid’s simultaneous cohabitation in more than roughly three planes at any given moment. Hope this clears things up. Hum? Wolfgang
Cool, I know drugs kicked in ’cause I totally grokked that. BTW, am I in New Zealand or Maryland today? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
[gross humour snipped] Which begs the question, was it a case of mistaken identity or … Steve
[gross humour snipped] Which begs the question, was it a case of mistaken identity or … Steve
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, evidently Mr. Reid did, though it bears mentioning that Mr. Reid implies (at least) that he has no memory or knowledge of having said anything that would indicate that he did. On the other hand, Mr. Reid would, we hope, certainly deny that he made any such denial, especially in light of the documentary record plainly demonstrating the utter absence of any such denial. Meanwhile, Mr. Reid, having recently returned to the fold, is up to his old tricks vis a vis objectors objecting to objections, while simultaneously and vehemently objecting to the notion that he ever left in the first place. The careful reader will, of course, not be fooled by any of the foregoing as it clear, plain, and uncategorically inarguable that that couldn’t possibly have happened given the time constraints and the relative implausibility of Mr. Reid’s simultaneous cohabitation in more than roughly three planes at any given moment. Hope this clears things up. Hum? Wolfgang who, becoming hopelessly confused anent who is likely to do how much damage to whom under which circumstances and when, is giving serious consideration to kicking his own ass this weekend and being done with it! :(
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Hey Op, I’m in for c-note. Does this mean YOU are coming to the Penn’s clave? Gonna make it to the presentation? john
Whether I make it to the Penn’s ‘Clave is a matter to be determined. Still waitin’ to hear from Mr. Fortenberry. ’Course he may never have seen my post on the subject, as he has me blocked and all, and in that case if I don’t hear back from him within two weeks of the ‘clave I will attend, come hell of high water. I will attend the presentation, as long as it doesn’t involve you and an out door shower! Op
A LIAR AND THOSE WHO MAKE THREATS CANNOT BE TRUSTED: You are known for your lies and that you cannot be trusted. Even this message of yours must be reported to the authorities Mike Connor and all of this is of your doing. It is time Klaus does something positive about you because his trust in you has been violated as you have indeed violated Roff and many of its’ members. You must be stopped before you do something very, very stupid. It is time to post every negative thought, every negative deed, every name calling post you send to Roff. Until you stop your insane conduct, every abuse you bestow upon the American Fly Fishing Scene will be reported until you stop. Do you understand this Mike Connor? George Gehrke "it’s time to police your pathetic conduct Connor"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I pledge $100.00 to Mike’s trip across the water, but only if he will spend his time at a ‘clave over here. Any ‘clave will do, but wouldn’t it be nice if he made an appearance at the Penn’s ‘Clave! Mike, please don’t waste your time and energy on confronting an obviously deranged individual. I honestly don’t think George can help himself. I have no doubt that the rest of the folks pledging funds would rather see you in the flesh fishin’, than see you on the back pages of some local paper’s arrest report. Do you realize how much satisfaction George would get from you being hauled off to an *American* jail, before you ever got to lay a finger on him? Anyway, hope to meet ya some day, at a ‘clave! Op –eternal optimist– Well Op, that is very kind of you, and I appreciate the sentiment, but I don
Hey Louie, How about a Labrador Clave in 2003?
I’ve been dreaming of going to Labrador for years now, and I have made unfirm plans to do it in 2002 or 2003 – need that long to save up the $3000 for a week. My goal was to fish for Arctic Char, the hell with the brook trout. but a clave? hmmm…. Flyfish
I’ve been dreaming of going to Labrador for years now, …
Me too, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I spend one, red US penny (that’s $49.95 Canadian) in a province that requires non-residents to have a guide. I don’t mind hiring a guide for a day or two or paying a rather substantial amount for a fishing license, but I’ll be damned if I’ll travel to fish somewhere where I can’t wet a line by myself. My goal was to fish for Arctic Char, the hell with the brook trout.
I suppose that’s because you live in Maine, but for me a 6 lb brookie would be a trophy of a lifetime. — Ken Fortenberry
Doesn’t NFLD. require guides only for designated salmon waters, and not trout?? Tim Lysyk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been dreaming of going to Labrador for years now, … Me too, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I spend one, red US penny (that’s $49.95 Canadian) in a province that requires non-residents to have a guide. I don’t mind hiring a guide for a day or two or paying a rather substantial amount for a fishing license, but I’ll be damned if I’ll travel to fish somewhere where I can’t wet a line by myself. My goal was to fish for Arctic Char, the hell with the brook trout. I suppose that’s because you live in Maine, but for me a 6 lb brookie would be a trophy of a lifetime. — Ken Fortenberry
Doesn’t NFLD. require guides only for designated salmon waters, and not trout??
That sounds like New Brunswick. Newfoundland/Labrador requires guides for non-residents all the time and everywhere except right next to the highway on the Churchill River if I’m not mistaken. — Ken Fortenberry
Guys; If Ken F. doesn’t like the "guide" idea–and I certainly agree–how about going to northern Quebec?. Same general area–just across the border–and Quebec doesn’t require "guides". I’m going to fish the Caniapisceau this summer–without guides. I’ve fished in Newfoundland with "guides"–and if you’ve ever flyfished there–you KNOW why I’ve put the word "guides" in quotes. The "guides" are simply "babysitters" so the sport won’t get lost. They do absolutely nothing that the word guide means to us. This is –to put it rather bluntly–a way to get foreigners to pay welfare for those "guides". Dave M
Doesn’t NFLD. require guides only for designated salmon waters, and not trout??
Here’s the (somewhat hard to find) URL, Tim; http://www.gov.nf.ca/forest/wildlife/licences/information.htm#Fishing To hell with the Newfies, I’ll never fish Labrador till these laws are changed, even at the risk of cutting my nose off to spite my face. — Ken Fortenberry
Talk about confusing regulations. I remembered something about being able to fish without a guide, but had forgotten about the part that limited you to within 800 m of a provincial highway. A number of years ago my wife and I had a pair of free airplane tickets. We comnsidered going to Nfld. to fish, but got turned off by the regulations. We went to Victoria instead. Tim Lysyk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Doesn’t NFLD. require guides only for designated salmon waters, and not trout?? Here’s the (somewhat hard to find) URL, Tim; http://www.gov.nf.ca/forest/wildlife/licences/information.htm#Fishing To hell with the Newfies, I’ll never fish Labrador till these laws are changed, even at the risk of cutting my nose off to spite my face. — Ken Fortenberry
Tim Lysyk: Doesn’t NFLD. require guides only for designated salmon waters, and not trout??
Labrador (Canada?) requires 1 guide for every two people above a certain lattitude. Having fished in Labrador for the past five years, I can understand why they would have that rule. I sure as hell would not be on the Atikonak River without a guide, even though I know the river well. You can fish in Labrador without a guide as long as you stay within a certain distance (a mile?) of a road. Things change very quickly — water level, temperature, rain to snow. In the five years I have been going to Labrador, I know of 6 or 7 deaths — folks that got into trouble when they were alone. I would be willing to set up something, a mini clave if ya wanna call it that. It would have to be for only 8 people, and would cost about $2700 for a week, plus air fare. Most lodges/outfitters only have room and facilities for 8 rods. I would stay away from eastern Labrador, areas near Happy Valley, and concentrate on places in the north, central, or northeast. There are a number of lodges/outfitters in these areas, and fishing is wonderful, be it for brookies, arctic char (limited water), pike or lake trout. Land locked salmon are also available later in the season (late Aug-Sept), or very early in the season (June). Air fare from Boston is about $600. But, you can drive to Lab City/Wabush (western Labrador) in two days from Boston. You would take a float plane (Otter or Beaver) to fly from Wabush to the lodge. That flight is usually included in the price of your stay. Dave
dnsmartel writes: If Ken F. doesn’t like the "guide" idea–and I certainly agree–how about going to northern Quebec?. Same general area–just across the border–and Quebec doesn’t require "guides". I’m going to fish the Caniapisceau this summer–without guides. I’ve fished in Newfoundland with "guides"–and if you’ve ever flyfished there–you KNOW why I’ve put the word "guides" in quotes. The "guides" are simply "babysitters" so the sport won’t get lost. They do absolutely nothing that the word guide means to us. This is –to put it rather bluntly–a way to get foreigners to pay welfare for those "guides". Dave M
Not true of the Labrador guides I have used. They are good boatsmen, outdoorsmen, and fishermen. The difference between a good guide in Labrador and a bad one is the number of fish you catch. Also, a good one will keep you out of trouble — one did just that with my grandson two years ago. The water I fished was treacherous and even though I know that river very well (been going there for five years), I would not want to do it without a guide. I believe you can fish in Canada below a certain lattitude without a guide. Friends of mine have done that and in the long run, they spent as much for food, gas, and air fare getting to their digs as I did going to a lodge with experienced guides. And, I caught more and bigger fish. Plus someone cooked for me, I had electricity, and indoor plumbing. <g Dave
dnsmartel writes: … This is –to put it rather bluntly–a way to get foreigners to pay welfare for those "guides". Not true of the Labrador guides I have used. … Also, a good one will keep you out of trouble — one did just that with my grandson two years ago. The water I fished was treacherous and even though I know that river very well (been going there for five years), I would not want to do it without a guide. …
Bah. Dave M is right Louie. The Newfoundland/Labrador non-resident guide laws are not on the books to protect decrepit geezers and young teenagers. They are on the books to inject out-of-province dollars into a moribund economy. I don’t mind the bucks, I’d gladly pay whatever the province wants to charge for the opportunity to fish, but I really resent having to have a guide. — Ken Fortenberry
I suppose that’s because you live in Maine, but for me a 6 lb brookie would be a trophy of a lifetime.
For me it would too. That said, as I understand it the Arctic Char is like a brook trout on steriods, kind of like the difference between a rainbow and a steelhead. I had a line on a set of camps that specialized in sea run char up there someplace, I’ll have to see if the guy comes back to the Maine Sportman’s show later this month as that was my intended trip Flyfish
It would have to be for only 8 people, and would cost about $2700 for a week, plus air fare. Air fare from Boston is about $600.
That’s probably a couple of years fishing expenses for me. Willi
Ken Fortenberry writes: Bah. Dave M is right Louie. The Newfoundland/Labrador non-resident guide laws are not on the books to protect decrepit geezers and young teenagers. They are on the books to inject out-of-province dollars into a moribund economy. I don’t mind the bucks, I’d gladly pay whatever the province wants to charge for the opportunity to fish, but I really resent having to have a guide. —
Oh, without a doubt it is to put dollars into the provincial cash register. Labrador is a very poor province. But, even if it was legal to fish *without* a guide, I would still hire one. So, now I’m a decrepit old geezer? I love your liberal intolerance. BTW, all the folks I know that died were young, healthy, fit, know-it-all fishermen. Dave
… So, now I’m a decrepit old geezer? …
Now ? What do you mean "now" ? You’ve been a decrepit geezer since the Johnson administration. <pregnant pause The ANDREW Johnson administration ! <rimshot 
Luv ya, Louie — Ken Fortenberry
BTW, all the folks I know that died were young, healthy, fit, know-it-all fishermen.
Dammit Louie! I haven’t said anything in this thread so why are you bringing me into it?!?!? I know you weren’t using the above to describe Ken, he hasn’t been young since the Nixon administration — Warren Findley
I hate to reiterate, but once again I think this is a key word issue. The key word in Dave’s post was "know-it-all". That compound word or phase, if you please, certainly wouldn’t fit in your case warren, at least not in a sarcastic sense. Just MMHO. Opie –Planning for the Past–
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, all the folks I know that died were young, healthy, fit, know-it-all fishermen. Dammit Louie! I haven’t said anything in this thread so why are you bringing me into it?!?!? I know you weren’t using the above to describe Ken, he hasn’t been young since the Nixon administration — Warren Findley
Ken Fortenberry writes: The ANDREW Johnson administration ! <rimshot Luv ya, Louie — Ken Fortenberry
I knew Andy, and you, sir, are not Andy. On a more serious note: Each year when I returned to the Atikonak, I would hear stories about who got killed and how. They were all Canadians, usually from Labrador. They didn’t know where they were going or what they were doing, and it cost them their lives. You don’t have to be in your 60s with a couple of gimpy legs and no feeling in your feet to need a guide. I understand your wanting to get away from it all and be on your own. That’s fine in Maine, Michigan and Montana, but in Labrador it could get you killed. Quickly. OG
I understand your wanting to get away from it all and be on your own. That’s fine in Maine, Michigan and Montana, but in Labrador it could get you killed. Quickly. OG
The same goes for Lenoir, NC and most other major cities. Opie –Planning for the Past–
I hate to reiterate, but once again I think this is a key word issue. The key word in Dave’s post was "know-it-all". That compound word or phase, if you please, certainly wouldn’t fit in your case warren, at least not in a sarcastic sense. Just MMHO.
Well, Dave sure as hell wasn’t talking about Ken because he said "young". Ken isn’t so as old as to be farting dust yet, but he isn’t a spring chicken either Hey Ken, preemptive SPLORK! <g — Warren Findley
Dave; Are you referring to Umiakovic Char Camp? That’s run by Harvey Calden–he also runs Tim Pond Camps in Eustis. I’ve seen the video’s and brochures–the fishing is suppossed to be unbelieveable for big sea-run char–but it’s a very pricey camp. Of course the price of a gal. of gas was over $17 dollars/gallon–two years ago before the prices went out of sight. I have no idea what aviation fuel costs that far up north now–but it’s got to be considerably more than $17 dollars/gallon. Dave M
On a more serious note: Each year when I returned to the Atikonak, I would hear stories about who got killed and how. They were all Canadians, usually from Labrador. They didn’t know where they were going or what they were doing, and it cost them their lives. You don’t have to be in your 60s with a couple of gimpy legs and no feeling in your feet to need a guide. I understand your wanting to get away from it all and be on your own. That’s fine in Maine, Michigan and Montana, but in Labrador it could get you killed. Quickly. OG
Dave speaks the truth. I doubt there’s any part of the lower 48 that resembles Canada’s North for true remoteness. Just like in a remote area of the lower 48, fly over the lower half of Northern Ontario and you’ll see at least some signs of human presence, rail lines, roads, hydro towers, cottages, harbours, floatplane bases, microwave relays, airstrips, logging roads, fire towers, trails, etc. I have no fear of getting lost as a straight walk in any direction will have me bumping into something man-made sooner or later. But Canada’s real north, NWT, Nunavut, Labrador, Yukon, – once you’re away from the cities and towns there’s absolutely nothing plus the landscape is incredibly rugged and unforgiving. I went for a walk out from the camp in NWT and I realized as a trudged north that there was probably nothing man-made between me and the Arctic ocean, 130 miles away. Even just 15 minutes out of camp, one slip and I was done for – nobody would ever find me. And don’t rely on our armed forces for rescue either – the crews are willing but the equipment is virtually non-existant. If you’re going to the real North – hire a guide. If you don’t, your beneficiaries will thank you. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
… If you’re going to the real North – hire a guide. If you don’t, your beneficiaries will thank you.
There’s nothing inherently dangerous about traveling the "real North" other than relying on Her Royal Majesties Cartographers. An experienced backcountry outdoorsman would have no problem whatsoever traveling, camping and fishing in Labrador. — Ken Fortenberry
dang warren, they raised you in montana. what do you want??? hee hee hee fishworship wayne
This evening the venerable old pirate and myself went to a local TU chapter fund raiser. We were supposed to be joined by another but he was too tired. We got to see A.K. Best talk about Labrador Brookies and char. Holy shit are there some big fish up there. There was shot after shot of big brookies decked out in some pretty spectacular colours. Then we saw some pretty awsome char at the end. One thing I did notice is all the rods in the pictures were cane. Not a single graphite in any of the photos. Then there was the raffle after the show. Unfortunatly neither one of us won the two night stay for two people at Lakewood Camps on the Rapid River but we both came out ahead for the night. Hey Louie, How about a Labrador Clave in 2003? Paul
Hey Louie, How about a Labrador Clave in 2003?
Funny you should mention that, I have been telling my parents that is what I want for a graduation gift <g Of course, they will probably buy a shit load of toys for my daughter instead. . . . — Warren Findley
I am looking to move to Bend and would love to hear about rivers and boatin in the area…John
John, There are a couple of good oregon books: Soggy Sneakers and Oregon River Tours. Bend is a pretty place, lots of great fly fishing nearby (my fav. hobby). As far as boating rivers: The Deschutes river is nearby, it actually flows through bend (the upper section), but the lower section is the one most often boated. It is probably the most popular rafting river in oregon. The river has 5 or 6 class IV rapids and a couple of falls that are pretty much unrunable (unless you’re one of those crazy guys I see on tv). The river also has a myriad of class 1 through 3 rapids. The floatable section is close to 90 miles long. However it is conviently broken by access points into two three day floats, with a couple of one day floats possible as well. The river gets very heavy traffic however. In the middle of july, expect to count up to two dozen rafts in each direction. Midweek brings much smaller crowds. The Rangers have done a really good job discouraging the drunken Frat House parties, thus everyone is pretty pleasant. You also have access (2 or three hour drive) to the Rogue River. It’s a scenic river with limited entry in the summer. It is amazing! Since I raft and driftboat, I don’t have experience with smaller boats in Oregon. However, I think that other rivers close to bend may well accomodated kayaks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to move to Bend and would love to hear about rivers and boatin in the area…John
I’ll be in Cork, Ireland the week of May 10th and am trying to decide whether or not to stay a few extra days for some flyfishing for native browns. I ran the standard searches thru dejanews and hotbot and found some interesting March salmon info but not much for May browns. I called the Cork fisheries guy for some info but any suggestions for books or web sites or guides or lodges? Thanks, Doug
Get hold of PeterO’Reilly’s books on the Rivers; Loughs and Flies of Ireland (all published by Merlin Unwin books). The Suir, in Co. Waterford (east of Co. Cork) is -in many opinions- one of the best wild brown trout rivers in Europe. Try Andrew Ryan at www.flyfishingireland.com Tight lines Tony D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Cork, Ireland the week of May 10th …. etc. (snipped)
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I’m going to be camping and fishing at Lake Almanor this coming weekend (June 13 -14). Is there anyone out there who might be able to pass on some tips? Is it true that mid-June is the time of the Hex hatch there? Is fishing from a tube a must? All tips and hints are sincerely appreciated. Scott
Scott, The lake is high and cold. All the tributaries are pumping in snow melt and the laake is about three feet from being full. At this point the fishing is slow. What fish are being taken are full of midges and a few Hex. nymphs they are grubbing along the bottom. We normally look toward the 4th of July for our Hex hatch. This is still a little early and the hatch will be delayed until the water conditions are better. Try Yellow creek or look for some small streams, of which there are plenty in the area, to get some fishing in. Ralph Wood C & R Guide Service – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be camping and fishing at Lake Almanor this coming weekend (June 13 -14). Is there anyone out there who might be able to pass on some tips? Is it true that mid-June is the time of the Hex hatch there? Is fishing from a tube a must? All tips and hints are sincerely appreciated. Scott
<<A number of well-written soliloquies. Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language? Those gutter language quotes could have easily been excised. In fact, it took effort to include them. They weren’t excluded and their presence show us something of the internal contradictions within Cubic Dog. -Ray
Like I said, I like it. Shows you something about the internal contradiction in the Moth. Those gutter language quotes could have easily been excised. In fact, it took effort to include them They weren’t excluded and their presence show us something of the internal contradictions within Cubic Dog.
- Mothra (aka Kathy Streletzky) "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages." - Geoffrey Chaucer
<<A number of well-written soliloquies. Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language? Those gutter language quotes could have easily been excised. In fact, it took effort to include them. They weren’t excluded and their presence show us something of the internal contradictions within Cubic Dog. -Ray
Well, this may have something to it, Then again, I think their presence also may intend to show something of the *external* contratictions and conflicts within the sport, in fact, I think that was the point. chipper
I find your post(and Ray’s) much more offensive than the original poetry that was originally posted. Too bad the both of you are so uptight so as not to see the real meanings behind those words. shallow is the depth of some souls the hull is inevitibly worn thin from years of misuse William Davis
<<I find your post(and Ray’s) much more offensive than the original poetry that was originally posted. Too bad the both of you are so uptight so as not to see the real meanings behind those words. theknuckle Badbilly – how many handles do you have in this newsgroup? -Ray
Badbilly – how many handles do you have in this newsgroup?
Evidently one for each of his personalities:-) I like theKnuckle the best! How bout you? – Mothra (aka Kathy Streletzky) "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages." - Geoffrey Chaucer
The cold monk burns the image of the buddah, reads about the sacred cows and murmors — oh shit it sure is cold.
Well, little moth girl, "the knuckle" is a type of motor that was made by harley-davidson motorcycles from 1932 to 1947. It is a highly coveted motorcycle. I do have multiple personalities, unlike a lot of people on r.p.b. Work…paddle….work…paddle. I know…some of you are saying, "well, what else is there to do?" The answer is…Plenty! I many past times that I enjoy. From skateboarding, flyfishing, playing nine ball(billiards), and riding and building harley-davidson motorcycles, not to mention scads of other things. enthusiasts. But surely you must know that I always put RPB in my "favorite places" folder so that I can check on all you paddlepeople whenever I want. So, now you know. Paddler…Biker….Fisherman…Pool Shark…Thrillseeker…Bad Billy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Badbilly – how many handles do you have in this newsgroup? Evidently one for each of his personalities:-) I like theKnuckle the best! How bout you? – Mothra (aka Kathy Streletzky) "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages." - Geoffrey Chaucer </PRE</HTML
A number of well-written soliloquies. Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language?
I don’t think so, Robin, re-read it – the "offensive" sections are part of a whole. Nice-writing, Cubic Dog. – Mothra (aka Kathy Streletzky) "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages." - Geoffrey Chaucer
A number of well-written soliloquies. Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language?
I like it! shimmering the warriors small boat vanishes on the eddy line his soul intact
- Mothra (aka Kathy Streletzky) "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages." - Geoffrey Chaucer
"Fool!" "The Paddle is the soul,
snip… Very Nice…
"Rules and laws are always the result of loss of respect and courtesy and are themselves therefore the seeds of failure see to your soul first if you seek mastery"
Well Said Brother
Awesome poetic commentary!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Fool!" "The Paddle is the soul, see to your soul first or there will be no mastery." The warrior smiles as his children play. These new ones come, I had seen their forebearers come to the crags when I was young, We the clueless clutched and groped our way skyward, tenous pro, lead out on clean placements. They with white scars of chalk showing all the moves, drove bolts and clipped in, stretching out the ladders to touch the heart of fear, climbed glass while we spat on the ground in disgust. They breezed our standards and buried the soul. He had an old land rover, and we pulled the grill off and brought it with us to throw it over the fire to grill some steaks we bought in town the other day. Our canoes were safely ashore high above the water and tied off just in case. It was raining. "Kore wa burauni desu. Chairo no chyokoreeto no keeki desu. Doozo." I took the offered brownie cake, it tasted strongly of herbs. The warrior told me of important things, sex, death, flyfishing, , I watched the stars melt. Years passed and quiet bass fishermen with stealthy trolling motors drift jerkbaits through the camp. The dam is a success. Ten thousand years ago, the warrior walked away from the field at the end of the day his hide intact, only by the grace of God. His seed sees the whole world No field, no lance thrust to parry we pierce ourselves No spoils no freedom dashed at the slavers block we forge our own chains No tribe no belonging ritual to earn we ink and needle our limbs "Fuck You, Bitch" we say in conversation, without meaning or feeling or care The warrior muses on the antinym of competition "Rules and laws are always the result of loss of respect and courtesy and are themselves therefore the seeds of failure see to your soul first if you seek mastery" Fuck you! I can throw ends till you puke watching me I got the flatspin down and I can kick yer butt at rodeo class IV? you call that class IV? I fell asleep That creek roks, I kicked its ass though shimmering the warriors small boat vanishes on the eddy line his soul intact the mystery is fun :wq
The best post to this group in days!
"Fool!" "The Paddle is the soul, see to your soul first or there will be no mastery." The warrior smiles as his children play. These new ones come, I had seen their forebearers come to the crags when I was young, We the clueless clutched and groped our way skyward, tenous pro, lead out on clean placements. They with white scars of chalk showing all the moves, drove bolts and clipped in, stretching out the ladders to touch the heart of fear, climbed glass while we spat on the ground in disgust. They breezed our standards and buried the soul. He had an old land rover, and we pulled the grill off and brought it with us to throw it over the fire to grill some steaks we bought in town the other day. Our canoes were safely ashore high above the water and tied off just in case. It was raining. "Kore wa burauni desu. Chairo no chyokoreeto no keeki desu. Doozo." I took the offered brownie cake, it tasted strongly of herbs. The warrior told me of important things, sex, death, flyfishing, , I watched the stars melt. Years passed and quiet bass fishermen with stealthy trolling motors drift jerkbaits through the camp. The dam is a success. Ten thousand years ago, the warrior walked away from the field at the end of the day his hide intact, only by the grace of God. His seed sees the whole world No field, no lance thrust to parry we pierce ourselves No spoils no freedom dashed at the slavers block we forge our own chains No tribe no belonging ritual to earn we ink and needle our limbs "Fuck You, Bitch" we say in conversation, without meaning or feeling or care The warrior muses on the antinym of competition "Rules and laws are always the result of loss of respect and courtesy and are themselves therefore the seeds of failure see to your soul first if you seek mastery" Fuck you! I can throw ends till you puke watching me I got the flatspin down and I can kick yer butt at rodeo class IV? you call that class IV? I fell asleep That creek roks, I kicked its ass though shimmering the warriors small boat vanishes on the eddy line his soul intact the mystery is fun :wq
I reposted this because I got a very low response on the first try … can anyone offer suggestions for low-cost (or no-cost) sources (websites, catalogs, seed swaps, etc.)? I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks! – Rob
I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks! – Rob
— Tom Miller If you like tropical plants like hibiscus, please see: <http://www.trop-hibiscus.com "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." … R.O.Clark
I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks!
I’ve seen them advertised in Parks Seed, Wayside, and other catalogs. Mike Strickland USDA Zone 7 Sunset Zone 32
I reposted this because I got a very low response on the first try … can anyone offer suggestions for low-cost (or no-cost) sources (websites, catalogs, seed swaps, etc.)? I’m looking to grow a blue/lavender hibiscus syriacus (aka, rose of sharon, althea, blue bird, etc.) but have been unsuccessful in locating seeds/cuttings/plants. Would anyone who has such an h. syriacus be interested in swapping for some h. rosa-sinensis? Or, I’ll pay for postage w/ an SASE if you don’t want to trade. Please either post to this newsgroup or email me. Thanks!
The only ‘blue’ althea shrub that I’m aware of is Blue Bird which is sold as a plant by Wayside Gardens. This is (or was) a patented plant and not widely available: if the patent is still valid, vegetative propagation is not legal. It’s seeds sprout occasionally but do not come true. I’ve had mine in zone 7 for 25 years and recommend it highly. Photographs do not generally record the flower color accurately, but I think it is the best of the altheas. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that
On casting in the surf.. A long rod helps (I use a 9 1/2 foot 7 weight, a 10 footer would be better) and a stripping basket is a necessity. I also tend towards pretty stout weighted eyes on streamers an lead-head charlies (Texas coast selection here) to keep the surf from knocking them around too much. Be sure you hang around cuts through the bars even if you’re in the wash.. Good luck, Andy Schreckenghost
Anybody fly fish from the beach?
There are two magazines, "Fly Fishing in Saltwater" and "Saltwater Fly Fishing", both have had articles on flyfishing from the beach. There have also been articles detailing fly fishing from the California coast. Fly Fishing in Saltwater also has a web site at: www.flyfishinsalt.com. While the site does not give all the information I would like about saltwater flyfishing, it is a good start. Another web site is www.reel-time.com. This is the Reel-Time, The Journal of Saltwater Fly fishing. This is a pretty good site. They have some good articles and an archive of articles that may just answer your fishing from the beach questions