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Evolution of the Penn’s Creek Fisherman: 6. sleep, eat, drink, laugh, fish, in no special order….. Remember, it’s evolution, short cuts can be dangerous…….

We like living on the edge.  Danger is our business.  Besides, we ain’t all that sure about all that evolution stuff……and there’s just too damn much to remember!     Wolfgang who sure hopes there ain’t gonna be a quiz.

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We like living on the edge.  Danger is our business.  Besides, we ain’t all that sure about all that evolution stuff……and there’s just too damn much to remember!     Wolfgang who sure hopes there ain’t gonna be a quiz.

Quiz?  I made all of that stuff up…I’m still at Step 1….

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We like living on the edge.  Danger is our business.  Besides, we ain’t all that sure about all that evolution stuff……and there’s just too damn much to remember!     Wolfgang who sure hopes there ain’t gonna be a quiz. Quiz?  I made all of that stuff up…I’m still at Step 1….

Um…..Step 1 sounds a mite strenuous for us geezers.  I believe I’ll stick with step 6. Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years.

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Mike,    nice piece……btw, your Marabou Minnows are waiting on my kitchen table.                             Tom p.s. About that "invite a bunch of out-of- towners" step…….

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<g …but, if’n it ain’t a twelve step program, none of my crowd will comply or progress…  i’ll be lookin for you at dawn and dusk or somewhere in mid-upstream hike… but only 16 hours doesn’t leave much time for many niceties, except perhaps your offering me a beer… jeff (in the land of one-step fishing) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Evolution of the Penn’s Creek Fisherman: 1. Catch as many fish as you possibly can, running up and down the creek 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, sucking down some food after dark, dressing the wounds, drying out the soaked clothes, and drinking as fast as you fish, so you can pass out, and wake up early in the morning, to get out for another 16 hours. 2. Catch as many fish as you can pausing for a few minutes to focus on the big fish at dawn, and dusk. Catching lunch in between the nymph water, and the hatch pools, and stay up later talking about how the f$#% the 20+ incher could snub your squirrelly fly presentation, wake a bit later in the morning. 3. Sleep in, wake up to a drool soaked pillow, eat a good breakfast, do some nymphing in the best holes, catch just as many fish as you did in step one in a few hours, eat lunch, drink beer, drink beer, nymph fish in the water you won’t fish the hatch in, stake out the perfect pool, wait for the amazing sequence events to take place (midges, midge spinners, emerging sulphurs, emerging grey fox, sulphur spinners, emerging sulphurs, march brown spinners, emerging sulphurs, while the caddis are there throughout), pick a fly to concentrate on, and wonder how the f$%# that monster brown could refuse your perfect fly presentation. Drink more than your old body can handle, go to beginning of step three. 4. Wake up early, eat breakfast, take a shower, wait for everyone to go upstream to all of the "best" water, fish the real water, drink beer, eat an early lunch, pass everyone going back for lunch, nymph fish, go back for early dinner, drink beer, wait for everyone to go back to the stream, go fishing on one of the other local streams, fly up over the mountain, take a couple shots, wait for someone from step one to leave the best hole, fish the hatch, throw the spinner over that one huge fish with some half assed cast, hook-it, fight it, breaks you off three feet from ya, drink tequila, take a day off the schedule, go to the beginning of step four. 5. Invite a bunch of out-of towners, teach’em step one, go to step four, somewhere around nymph fishing or dinner (taking care not to skip the beer, and shots). Enjoy everyone flying up and down the stream, throw an attractor fly out there on 2x tippet at dark, sleigh the dragon, 6. sleep, eat, drink, laugh, fish, in no special order….. Remember, it’s evolution, short cuts can be dangerous……. The Finn By the way, step one is the most fun…..

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Mike,    nice piece……btw, your Marabou Minnows are waiting on my kitchen table.                             Tom p.s. About that "invite a bunch of out-of- towners" step…….

Hey, since I was one of those out of towners last year, can I move up? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. .

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Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years.

A step 7!!!

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p.s. About that "invite a bunch of out-of- towners" step……. Hey, since I was one of those out of towners last year, can I move up? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

You already did, although I had to practically drag you upstream myself…..in the midst of trying to locate some C4 to combat your arsenal (watch out for those underwater trip wires), but "can’t we all just get along?" The Finn

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Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years. A step 7!!!

See, that’s what I’m talking about….there’s ALWAYS another step….it’s like trying to keep up with Miller.  :( Wolfgang is it nap time yet?

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"can’t we all just get along?"

Works for me. Wolfgang

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Well, I hope to be more mobile this year.  The doc is thinking about using Botox on my back.  Oh, by the way, got a real wading staff now, and hopefully won’t loose it. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years. A step 7!!! See, that’s what I’m talking about….there’s ALWAYS another step….it’s like trying to keep up with Miller.  :( Wolfgang is it nap time yet?

It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. Willi

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is it nap time yet? It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap.

While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts. Wolfgang one MUST observe the social niceties!      :)

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It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts.

You obviously haven’t read the latest in magnetic immortality theory. http://www.alexchiu.com/ — Ken Fortenberry

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It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts. You obviously haven’t read the latest in magnetic immortality theory. http://www.alexchiu.com/

O.K., sure, but what’s it really worth when breast enhancement schemes don’t wor….um…..never mind.     Wolfgang

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Evolution of the Penn’s Creek Fisherman: 1. Catch as many fish as you possibly can, running up and down the creek 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, sucking down some food after dark, dressing the wounds, drying out the soaked clothes, and drinking as fast as you fish, so you can pass out, and wake up early in the morning, to get out for another 16 hours. 2. Catch as many fish as you can pausing for a few minutes to focus on the big fish at dawn, and dusk. Catching lunch in between the nymph water, and the hatch pools, and stay up later talking about how the f$#% the 20+ incher could snub your squirrelly fly presentation, wake a bit later in the morning. 3. Sleep in, wake up to a drool soaked pillow, eat a good breakfast, do some nymphing in the best holes, catch just as many fish as you did in step one in a few hours, eat lunch, drink beer, drink beer, nymph fish in the water you won’t fish the hatch in, stake out the perfect pool, wait for the amazing sequence events to take place (midges, midge spinners, emerging sulphurs, emerging grey fox, sulphur spinners, emerging sulphurs, march brown spinners, emerging sulphurs, while the caddis are there throughout), pick a fly to concentrate on, and wonder how the f$%# that monster brown could refuse your perfect fly presentation. Drink more than your old body can handle, go to beginning of step three. 4. Wake up early, eat breakfast, take a shower, wait for everyone to go upstream to all of the "best" water, fish the real water, drink beer, eat an early lunch, pass everyone going back for lunch, nymph fish, go back for early dinner, drink beer, wait for everyone to go back to the stream, go fishing on one of the other local streams, fly up over the mountain, take a couple shots, wait for someone from step one to leave the best hole, fish the hatch, throw the spinner over that one huge fish with some half assed cast, hook-it, fight it, breaks you off three feet from ya, drink tequila, take a day off the schedule, go to the beginning of step four. 5. Invite a bunch of out-of towners, teach’em step one, go to step four, somewhere around nymph fishing or dinner (taking care not to skip the beer, and shots). Enjoy everyone flying up and down the stream, throw an attractor fly out there on 2x tippet at dark, sleigh the dragon, 6. sleep, eat, drink, laugh, fish, in no special order….. Remember, it’s evolution, short cuts can be dangerous……. The Finn By the way, step one is the most fun…..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is it nap time yet? It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts. Avoidance is a commonly used tactic by me. It works well in lots of situations. Ya think I may need to rethink that strategy on this one?

Nah, go for it.  Keep us posted on how it works out. Wolfgang eagerly awaiting the first installment at penn’s.      :)

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<SNIP You obviously haven’t read the latest in magnetic immortality theory. http://www.alexchiu.com/

TL MC

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is it nap time yet? It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts.

Avoidance is a commonly used tactic by me. It works well in lots of situations. Ya think I may need to rethink that strategy on this one? Willi

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It really depends on  what you fish for and where. That said, fast sink shooting heads are probably the most versatile.  "Fast" is relative, it will take even a high density line quite a while to sink to any depth. ( Lead cores etc excepted). If you start your retrieve while the line is sinking, then you can also arrest its descent. This allows one to search the water column for fish by "counting down". Cast, start counting in seconds, and start your retrieve when the line has sunk as far as you think it should have. If no takes, increase the count. Keep doing this until you either reach bottom, or move to another spot.  If you get a take, fish continue to fish at the same depth. Fish often hold at specific depths, and unless your fly is at this depth, you will not catch them. Less than a foot or so can sometimes make a difference. Large unweighted streamers on short relatively heavy leaders are usually the best bet.  Make sure you have plenty of backing, and that your knots are secure. Larger fish are often to be expected when using such tactics. It is also easier to cast large or heavy flies with such a rig.  If pike and similar fish are present, then use either wire or kevlar tippet.  Not too short. Use at least eighteen inches of such tippet. Should the water not be too deep, then fishing buoyant streamers on short leaders ( with the sinking head), can be very effective indeed. Let the sinking head sink to the bottom, and then a pull on the line will cause the floating lure to dive for the bottom, before rising slowly again. This action is often almost irresistible to some fish.  This can of course also be done by "counting down". With floating lines, and the appropriate leaders and flies, you can fish down to about twelve to fifteen feet without too many problems. With a fast sinking head you can get down to about forty five feet in a reasonable time frame.  Greater depths require other methods ( downrigging). Full lines are best avoided, they cause too many problems TL MC

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Hi Bob Have a look in  our fly catalog. Let us know what you think. www.popularfishingflies.com Popular Fishing Flies Robert Lindberg. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Check out the site http://www.virtualflybox.com.  They have a LOT of flies and pics there. David T. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

http://www.mwflytying.com/default.html http://www.flyanglersonline.com http://members.mint.net/raske.index.html http://killroys.com/default.htm#sitemenu

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Sorry I missed the backslash off   http://members.mint-net/raske/index.html

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Pix of flies at http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Take a look at these locations: http://www.flyline.com/flys/patrns.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/list.html#Stream Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pix of flies at http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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I don’t have a Web site suggestion. Instead, may I suggest a book: The Classic Guide to Fly-Fishing for Trout Charles Jardine ISBN 0-394-58719-7 It was published in 1991 in Great Britain, so it doesn’t have all the patterns you’ll come across, but it does have 60 full color pages of flies (about 8 flies per page) as well as a complete directory of fly dressings (i.e. what hook sizes and materials are used to tie each fly). For your viewing pleasure, I scanned a page of the book (warning: 200K image) and put it at: http://www.ipass.net/~stevez/images/flypics.jpg Any discoloration in fly patterns is likely an artifact of my scanner, not the author. I invite the input of experienced fly fishermen to comment on this book, but I love it. It is an absolutely beautiful hardcover book that I keep alternately on my coffee table at home and on the desk in my office. Steve Zimmerman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I always seem to be looking for pix of flies I’ve heard about to try and learn something about them. Can anyone recommend several "best" sites that show a large selection of fly pictures (besides England’s and the Virtual fly box)? Thanks, Bob

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Hi, The subject of this thread is not just about wildlife – I’ve been entangled both in the river (the Waitahanui River, Taupo, NZ) and on the river bank, tripping and nearly breaking my rod let alone my head – though no doubt there are some who would classify me as "wildlife" too – an ex-wife or two et alia. Regards John — J. W. RICH 144 Gillies Ave, Epsom, Auckland, New Zealand ph/fax.  64-9-623-2975 website http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/3675/ or      http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich     To purchase an E-copy of "Timber Geodesic Domes" by John Rich go to:         http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich/promo.htm Some more pics of my domes are displayed at the following URL.         http://domegroup.org/domehomepics.html#johnrich

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By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

I wish it were so.  This shouting ninny was one load that needed to be tarped! WF

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To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

Shwaggy?!?!  I deny therefore I am?  What kind of logic is that?  I haven’t been to the moon therefore I am an astronaut? Warren People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

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"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". I assume you only have sex with your wife when she is ovulating. — Charlie…

Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. Chris Fleitman Running for cover.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

The above statement, even if it’s true, in no way supports your subject line, "DISCARDED FISHING LINE LEADING CAUSE OF WILDLIFE DEATH". You need a lesson in logic, but I doubt you’d get anything from it. bock Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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: To fish is human…to release divine. [deleted] I guess if you repeat it enough times it becomes truth?

Hold on Jon…I’m getting it now and WHart *is* right…. To fish is human… OK But: to release is an err… But: to err is human… But: Human was created in the [divine] image of God… Means: to err is divine… Therefore: to release is divine. But he could have just saved time by: To C&R fish is Human, to forgive divine. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches.

What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish.

You slay me, Tim ;^) It’s clear that whatever had crawled up your ass a couple of months ago crawled out and left behind your latent sense of humour. Good show! /daytripper

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[major snippage] Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though).

As I recall (this was discussed in this group roughly a year ago) the NH Fish and Wildlife folks recovered something like 16 dead loon carcasses over some period of time, and (again from memory) around two thirds of them were found to have perished from lead poisoning. The small lead sinkers used in fresh water fishing apparently fall in the size range of small stones that the loons swallow to facilitate digestion. Presumably, some degree of extrapolation of the sample size led these folks to their conclusion as applied to the entire population, and thus the small lead sinkers are to be banned. Seems reasonable to me, as non-toxic alternatives already exist at fair prices… A friend and I were fishing a favorite NH pond a few years ago and we watched Ma and Pa loon teaching their three kids how to fly. It was hilarious seeing the little fellows taking turns frantically scurrying along the water for fifty yards at a time trying to get airborne… /daytripper

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders. Additionally, the leading cause of oil pollution is the improper disposal – by RESIDENTIAL users – of motor oil….i.e. your car and lawnmower.  Whereas outboard motor oil is partially combusted and inboards have a closed oil system. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but no one has a right to be

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bULLsHIT1776 YELLS again: <<THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC. Hmmmmm.  I have never seen or heard of a fly fisherman discarding fishing line.  Doesn’t happen, lady.  Perhaps you’ve cross posted this crap to the wrong group?   Dave LaCourse

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Bullshit. The leading cause of wildlife entanglement are the nets specifically made for this very purpose. You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

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Dear BS1766 Next time you are in the vicinity of a Flyfisherman, please ask the aforementioned Flyfisherman to strangle you with any about-to-be discarded line.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders.

Not to be unnecessarily dense (especially since I haven’t read the article), but that sounds sort of intuitive.   Who is really surprised that the leading cause of entanglement is stuff you can get tangled in?   Besides fishing line, what were some of the other discarded materials in question? Were there any indications as to different sources of the discarded line (e.g. recreational worm dunkers vs. commercial long liners)? I have to say that the rivers, lakes, etc. where I’ve fished are remarkable devoid of discarded line from recreational fishermen.   Two exceptions are the Susquehanna (MD. portion) and the Salmon River (NY).   The great number of bait fishermen on the Susquehanna unfortunately include some of the worst environmentally-insensitive pigs to ever wet a hook.   I think their attitude is "if it sinks out of sight, it ain’t litterin’."   In some heavily fished holes on the Salmon, it sometimes seems as though the river bottom is 50% monofilament. Joe F.

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You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ?

Which reminds me of something I saw on a condom machine in the gents toilet of an English pub a long time ago. In large red letters on the front of the machine it said " Made to British Standard 1776"  below this some wag had written in large black letters with a marker pen, "So was the Titanic". TL MC

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B.S. wrote a bunch of b.s. Listen folks I know I abused my hearing with 30 years of shooting magnum pistols, but you don’t have to YELL! Big Dale

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[deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself!

You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine!

"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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0] : THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE : WORLD IS : DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE : CONSERVATION IN : WASHINGTON DC. : : Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work : whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate : abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe : soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s : pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of : virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about : hisself! : — : Wayne : To fish is human….To release Divine! FWIW I found and have in my collection a western oriole nest made entirely of discarded monofilament. I found this near the E. Walker river near Bridgeport, California. It showed every sign of having been used successfully. This is not at all to say I endorse discarding the stuff. I remove it when I find it, including that nest. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine! "To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way

May be…but at least it’s a short cast. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

nobody’s saying we don’t lose gear, but i for one question this posters credibility and if what he says is in fact based on truth. the problem with the original post was the broad stroke.  fishing line can mean a lot of things, little clips of tippet, balls of tangled mono, mile long lost drift nets, lost gillnets, and other commercial gear lost that continues fishing and killing for a long time.  i do not condone people littering, but including sportfishermen with lost commercial gear is misleading and does not really present the whole truth.  yes, fishing line does entangle fish… but i’d like more info.  what percentage of the total is lost commercial fishing nets?  what percentage is based on sportfishing litter?  plus, i don’t believe everything i read on the internet.  anybody with any agenda can say anything.  to me, his original statement very well might be a large pile of bs. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ?

again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though). now, give me lots of dna evidence, blood stains, etc… and i’ll reconsider <G. chris Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Besides being misleading and irrelevant… this statement is probably totally untrue.   Ghost nets (those broken off or otherwise lost by commercial fishermen) are undoubtedly the largest cause of life threatening wildlife entanglement (if fish are counted as wildlife). The number of fish lost to "ghost nets" is staggering, but there is no way to get an exact count because it all happens "invisibly" beneath the surface. Besides, the turkey who posted this nonsense is a mindless spammer. I found it on the rec.outdoor.fishing group also. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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spam magnet B D Hatten wrote with lots of heart, almost a whine: heart felt and male bonding "I love you MAN! can  have your BUD,"shit snipped There is a key on your keyboard usually called "DELETE". You did get one with your computer? Whiners on my screen usually get this key. Saves lots of energy and frustration following circular threads. Who said anything about liking ya? Tolerate maybe! Speaking of Kisses! February 14, Yes, the perfume and pubic hair hatch! I’ll be buried in about to my ears! ‘Hafta try my new goretex wader on. Yes, it would be nice to seem some newer bugs that the ones I’m use to seeing in my own. Hope their not ugly, the wild ones just love those pretty ones. Bug address went on the side. Hairy Trout One happy camper shaving his palms tonight!

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Right the Rod company has moved, however Press Powell has a Fly Fishing Shop in Chico where the old rod company was. I was there over Thanksgiving and chatted with Press for a couple of days as he was putting things back together from moving the shop. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H. Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will." The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves-  Thanx fer yer idiotic post.  Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why.                  "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence"                                                             Bruce

Gentlemen, may I suggest you check where Croweley plagiarized that phrase.

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And so it goes, that one must endure the ‘pulp’- to get at the seeds. I am relatively new here.  I’ve  had my run ins w/ Mr. G.  and I got over it.  And he got over it.  If you can’t get over it-  you need to get a life and NOT READ ON. (Thanks) This is my plan-  YOU BASTARDS are gonna do the right thing. Yer gonna hit this thread and yer gonna say "come back where you belong G.  We miss you". …We miss spitting yer way,  we miss throwing rocks at you.  We miss your stupid drivelings about yer overbloated, over hyped, over rated product line,  and we miss turning off the computer w/ contempt for your capitalist PIG tendencies,  but most of all-  we miss the many and multi faceted jewels you unselfishly share w/ us. I don’t care who you are, or how cool you think you are and think he isn’t;  (or for that matter,  what you think you think of me.)  George belongs here.  That is the plain truth.  Put me on your kill list if you disagree-  I don’t give a shit.  But I will say you are making a huge mistake.  And that,  of course is your right. (even if its wrong) ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" That does NOT mean I embrace shotgun spamming- and/ or random useless postings.  But clearly-  G  does not do that.  He is here w/ more intent than "just"  any one thing. He is good for us.  We are good for him.  Let us all benefit in kind. (Besides who ever that Aaron person attempting to mimic him is making me sick.) You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally.  Daily.  Maybe 20 times daily.  You all know how important this, is do the right thing. I thank you for your cooperation-  and your intent.             Doldrums nourish no bees,-  produce no honey.                                    Bruce Douglas Hatten Post:  you write stupid moronic bullshit in MY  thread and we will have a serious problem.  Lets not ok?  Just pass me by- please… Thanks fer that;  really.

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<snip ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten

Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

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You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally.  Daily.  Maybe 20 times daily.  You all know how important this, is do the right thing.

How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? Tim Apple " Always one step closer to going Postal! "

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?

He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…

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<snip ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves-  Thanx fer yer idiotic post.  Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why.                  "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence"                                                             Bruce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally.  Daily.  Maybe 20 times daily.  You all know how important this, is do the right thing. How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com

Another clever boy-  I’m impressed.  And you have posted what of any significance lately?  I am not a fan bud, but you know  I’m bright enough to see…  You have reading problems aside from the obvious lack of understandings?   enjoy the darkness friend-

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…

at the rate that BD Hatten is going it won’t be long before he might be the new t-bone. I’ll watch from a distance. — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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<< ROFF  is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and  its very pivot and point.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"                                   Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves-  Thanx fer yer idiotic post.  Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why.                  "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence"                                                             Bruce Bruce, that was priceless.  LOL.   DUH!   Dave LaCourse

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?

He t-boned the gtoup for a while. LOL.  And yet another phrase is born.  Thanks Charlie. Dave LaCourse

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Come on back! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing.

I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.

Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill.                         Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday)                                        Bruce

You have got to do something about your image here. Might be the beer? Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12. I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me. — Doug Knight                           metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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Come on back! Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net

You get a gold fucking star and a big fat "THANK YOU!"  from me bud. No bullsit.  If you werent so dawg ass ugly I’d kiss ya smack on the mouth.   Snap man, G is a resource people-  only ugly fucking americans piss away their resources so blindly… Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill.                         Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday)                                        Bruce  

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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill.                         Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday)                                        Bruce You have got to do something about your image here.

Image is nada to me-  I could giva shit. Might be the beer?

Count on it. (And the unexpected, occasionally no doubt.) Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s.

4 4 packs to just get rolling. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome.

Old Mill/mud aint exactly sweet-  if I were a rich man I’d suck the Grouses down like there’s no tomorrow..  thanks fer the sip bro- I needed that. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12.

(I likes the blue ones a lots better.  heh heh  ie Val. I am I am…) E-mail me an address.  I build bugs.  You sure you want Stimulators? I can do better than that.  No jive-  send a po box # er what ever… I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs.

Indeed.   You speak the truth.  You have my vote Doug. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me.

Spam Maggots are us-  Just send an e-mail and you’ll see!  arf arf. Funny you say that-  I have a huge Pink Floyd poster over my tying desk and upon it is inscribed (by yers truly of  course)  "Flies are Us-  {don’t mind the maggots}"   A sick ref to the Rolling Stones. This header was obviously a bad idea.  I feel sorry fer that.  G is a good man.  G has treated myself w/ dignity and undertsanding-  even where either of us might have been at  fault.  He ought (yes in strict Kantian style) to be appreciated for who he is.  Not what mind you, but who.   I could go on and on about sissy fucking whiners-  People who post pure shit and people who post nothing a’tall.  I am vocal.  I say considerably too much more often than not.  I guess G’s the same  in a lot of ways.  But his intent is what counts.  I wish him only perfection on the rod line-  as that is not just what he seeks, but what he deserves.   I have goods to sell also and my approach is utterly different-  (not better,  not worse)  but he and I are the same too-  in that we want our patron’s expectations to be realized. You aint gotta love the maker fer his product.  You gotta love the product.  The ‘maker’ is just another one of us…                               Brain Salad Surgery Making Itself Clear,                                                        Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Doug Knight                           metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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Here in Oregon the general feeling is that any  GREEN fly will work. After fishing the Harrison, I think those ugly (but great fighters!) fish will take almost any fly presented to them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Harrison River has a good sized chum salmon population. Tips:  The trick is to get them early enough as to still be quite strong, and to try to hook most of them in the mouth.  I usually use an orange #10 corkie, on 6.5

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Anybody out there know genus-species for the Alder Fly? Email or post is fine Bill S.

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Anybody out there know genus-species for the Alder Fly? Email or post is fine Bill S.

Bill, Family is Sialidae and only the single genus, Sialis, occurs in North America.  Not being an entomologist I could be mistaken but I am fairly certain of my resource.  Hope this helps. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody out there know genus-species for the Alder Fly? Email or post is fine Bill S. Bill, it’s funny you mentioned it, and I have heard it before,and can’t remember, but it then occured to me that my grandfather gave me a book written in the 50’s by the Sportman’s cigarettes company,it’s

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James Ehlers is correct. Alderflies belong to the family Sialidae, and there is a single genus, Sialis. There are about 20 or so species. They are in the order Megaloptera, at least that is where most entomologists place them, although I sometimes see Megaloptera listed as a suborder of Neuroptera. — Tim Lysyk http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html

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I fished Lewis Creek last Sunday with a couple of friends. Water was very high and muddy, no fish caught or seen. Rumor on the stream was one 5lb steelie taken the day before below the ‘falls’. Appreciate any info on other Champlain activity- Bouquet, Ausable, Saranac? Thanks — John Preston         *                                                                                   <`}}}}=< Ponhook F&G                                             <`}}}}=< Charleston, NS      <`}}}}=< **Please help save the Margaree !  If you’re interested, visit this website:      <<<  http://chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/CPAWS/jcb.html  

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John, Nothing happening yet on this side of the lake….haven’t heard of much on the other side(NY) either.  Water temps on Lewis are still far too cold (mid-30’s). Perhaps end of next week though. Good luck. James Ehlers                                                               Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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I should have posted this a week ago, but was lazy. I fished Slate and Cedar Runs from 5/20-5/23.  Pine Creek had no action whatsoever — fish or fly-wise.  We had several decent (but still slow) days on Slate and Cedar.  Slate and Cedar had hatches of little yellow stoneflies everyday all day, a few Hendricksons early in the week, and then some grey caddises, March Browns, and especially Sulphurs (rotundas) later in the week.  Some big clusters of spinners in the evening, but no major spinner fall.  We had our best success, in descending order, with dry March Browns, dry little yellow stoneflies, Hendrickson, March Brown and sulphur emergers, and dry caddis patterns. The fishing was tough.  Even the old-timers were complaining — and bitterly so about Pine Creek, claiming it was the worst they’d seen in 30 years. The weather was fine.  The week before there was a half inch of snow; four days later it was 95 degrees.  But that week it was warm and mostly dry. I heard one story of a gutted Pine Creek fish with an empty stomach. The explanation was that the the streambed had been scoured by the floods and the hatches were shot.  Then I heard another story — a gutted Pine Creek fish with a stomach gorged with nymphs.  Both fish were caught by bait fisherman.  Having turned over a few rocks on the banks I can say that there are certainly nymphs in the water, although apparently the hatches have not been very impressive by local standards.  The few times I stopped at the river I saw few flies, littel bird activity and no surface feeding at all.  Water was still high as well.  Over the phone one of the guys at the tackle shop tried to sound encouraging to a propsective fisherman by metioning that a few chubs had been taken on dries. In sum, Slate and Cedar Runs were slow but worthwhile, though Pine Creek was dead. Genesee beer was excellent, as was Pabst and Schmitts — also Red Man. Oh, and if you want to go to a spooky bar, go to the Wagon Wheel in town of Camaal (sp?), just south of Slate Run.

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Pine Creek is excellent now:  24 fish evening on dries…sulphurs, grey foxes…only  a few more days to green and brown drake hatches!!!

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Pine Creek is excellent now:  24 fish evening on dries…sulphurs, grey foxes…only  a few more days to green and brown drake hatches!!!

Is this the same Pine Creek of the famous "Grand Canyon of the East?" If so, where do you fish in relation to the aforementioned "Grand Canyon?"

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Is this the same Pine Creek of the famous "Grand Canyon of the East?" If so, where do you fish in relation to the aforementioned "Grand Canyon?"

Yes, It is.  You can fish the Canyon itself; if you don’t mind hiking; canoeing it; or have a Mt. Bike and a tuff ass!  AVOID THE WEEKENDS!

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: The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera.  The May fly is of the order : Ephemeroptera.  They aint the same bug.  So somebody better get his story : straight. Of course they are different bugs…and these are brachycentrus. They are ALSO Grannoms, Sedges, Little Brown Buggies, Mothies etc. etc. The fact is, the hatch does happen in May. Therefore, for the locals to call ‘em the may-flies is ok by me…the biologist was probably also the barber who is also the sherrif on friday nights. Tim Walker

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Absolutely correct.  It is primarily a communication/context issue, and we should be intelligent and flexible enough to adapt. This leads to an adaptation of an old Stve Martin joke, which might go like this: Up in Canada, "Pickerel" means "Walleye". "Brewskie" means "Beer". Those darn canucks have a different word for ust about everything! (and in Quebec, they call walleye/pickerel – dore – pronounced door-ray!) : — : # Forestry Canada                                                       # : # Petawawa National Forestry Institute                Voice:  (613)-589-3033    # : # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario              FAX:    (613)-589-2275    # : # K0J 1J0 CANADA                                                        # — |     Bob Lundy                   | |     Mississauga, ON, Canada     |

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The Stripped Bass is only known as "Rockfish" in the Cheasapeak bay. Once they enter the Atlantic they mysteriously become Stripped Bass. It appears that they are in fact actually making it into the Atlantic again now after the Rockfish moritorium of a few years ago. —      _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

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Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…

Just to throw more fuel on the fire, "rockfish" is the proper name for a common class of deep-ocean saltwater fish.  "Rockfish" referring to saltwater striped bass is a regional name used in the NE U.S.  True rockfish are often called rock cod, even though they’re not cod… Hey did I tell you about the rainbow trout not really being a trout yet?

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Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger.  It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.

Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…  Mac McDougald            *   Any opinions expressed herein are  The Photography Center   *   not necessarily (actually, are  UNIV of TN, Knoxville    *   almost CERTAINLY NOT) those of UTK.  (615-974-3449)           *    than they’ve ever been before."    

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu .ksu.e du!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!p nfi!sj oyce Organization: Canadian Forest Service – Petawawa National Forestry Institute Distribution: rec Lines: 44 By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general.  When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish.  I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size).  Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta.  He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank.  They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ

Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger.  It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.  I haven’t caught one yet, but I look foreward to it. Richard

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Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!convex!insosf1.infonet.net!yeshua.marcam.com!news.k ei.com !eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio- state. edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!twalker Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Distribution: rec Lines: 12 Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker

The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera.  The May fly is of the order Ephemeroptera.  They aint the same bug.  So somebody better get his story straight. Richard

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It seems a bit ridiculous to be having arguments about common names of fish when they are just that; "common names".  As such, they are regional by nature, language specific, and vary widely across the country and across borders (i.e. Walleye, Pickerel, Dore, walleyed pike, yellow pickerel etc.). You can find "official" literature in different areas that list different common names for exactly the same fish.  They not only vary by region, they vary sometimes according to fish size or life stage (Chinook, King, Spring, Tyee).  They can even vary according to how the fish is caught or marketed (Lake Herring, Ciscoe, Tulibee).  And I’ve also noticed the uglier the fish is, the more common names it will have (Ling, Burbot, Eelpout, Lawyer, freshwater cod,…snake?).  If you want an unabiguous label for a fish species, you have to use the latin or scientific name. To me, common names have never been a problem.  Just learn as much as you can about fish species in the areas you fish, and the common names in those areas.  I think there can be some confusion if the same common name refers to a different fish in different areas but that’s rare.  When you ask the locals where the fish are biting, you will get a lot farther by using the local fish names! . By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general.  When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish.  I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size).  Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta.  He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank.  They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ — # Forestry Canada                                                         # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute          Voice:  (613)-589-3033    # # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario                FAX:    (613)-589-2275    # # K0J 1J0 CANADA                                                          #

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