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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. http://www.911sharethetruth.com 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL       – A Call to All True Patriots –    We have actively studied the questionable nature of the official version of what happened to our nation on September 11, 2001. Throughout the first year after 9-11 we ignored and did not believe those who asked us to question the official story. Like millions of Americans we believed America had been attacked by terrorists from abroad. Sadly, we are now convinced that our government committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens for the larger purpose of swaying us to support both domestic and foreign policies mapped out in the mid and late 1990’s. 9-11 was Hitler’s Reichstag fire of 1933 and Roosevelt’s Pearl Harbor masterfully coordinated to achieve the desired ends of an imperialistic role for America in the world, patriotic support at home and the erosion of our constitutional rights. In a nutshell, the war on terrorism is a cruel hoax by a misguided, out-of-democratic control small group of individuals sabotaging the best of American values. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis combined with severe domination from an Orwellian corporate media knowingly or unknowingly being of service to the true powerbrokers behind the curtain. We feel like we are living in the "Matrix" where we can blend in, but knowing something is horribly wrong and must be exposed. The quality of life for all of our loved ones is at stake along with the hopes of millions of people for a world of peace, freedom and ecological sustainability. If just a few of you take the time to study a little more and become involved in the 9-11 truth movement we will be greatly appreciative. We strongly feel that people of all progressive movements should involve themselves in this effort to expose the truth about 9-11 and in the greatest push ever from the grassroots to nonviolently replace our current despotic leadership. It would have tremendous positive consequences to all of our progressive movements if similar to the fall of Nixon over Watergate that the Bush administration was exposed on this and replaced. This outrageous criminal act must be brought to justice and our freedoms restored. We need to reach out now to all those who may be willing to hear and break the silence. Go to site for posters, cassettes, buttons… http://www.911sharethetruth.com

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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month.

Yep, it was an inside job….the planes blew up INSIDE the buildings. Gee, you are so smart.  You are right about specially outfitted planes… aircraft slamming into the side of a building would go in just like a missle.  And correct again about the controlled demolition…those terrorists must have been really skilled to be able to CONTROL the way they demolished the buildings. By the way numbnuts, watch the footage again.  The buildings did not collapse starting from the bottom.  A controlled demolition would not have been done in the basement, but would have needed to take out at least a dozen floors with the size of the buildings and taken at least a week to plan, and implement.  I think people would have gotten just a mite suspicious with work crews cutting through the structural pilings, setting shaped charges and running primer cord throughout the buildings. The quality of the steel made back when the towers were constructed was poor compared to today.  The structural tolerance was quite low.  The intense heat would collapse the pilings.  And the weight exerted by the upper floors would and did cause the lower ones to fail, causing a cascade failure.  The only way the building would have toppled is if the lower pilings were strong enough to hold back the collapsing upper floors and deflect the path of the fall.  But, as we all saw, it did not. Cease and decist your trolling.  People are getting sick of your freakish extremist "moveon.orgism". GO AWAY!!!!     *PLONK*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless.

What does gof have to do with anything. — Retired military and damn proud of it.

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Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless. Indeed.  Being uncensored,

Free press would also be uncensored.                                       the net provides the ideal soapbox for every paranoid conspiracy theorist who knows how to use a keyboard.

Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Matti P.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way.

I understood your point; just wanted to clarify terms. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.

Please note: I said "among the silliest", not "the silliest". Matti P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.  This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

But there is conclusive physical evidence that no 767 hit the Pentagon, in fact no evidence of fusilage of any plane found.. The fact that two, one piece that does not match photographed on the lawn points to conspiracy. There was no American Airlines flight 77 scheduled to fly that day. There is conclusive physical evididence that no  passenger jet plane hit the 1st tower or penetrated it. {The film shown shown the following day  9/12, was  crudely edited.  You can see it by looking for the evidence "first plane")  There is only three small holes in the building, none greater that a few feet. There was no American Airlines flight 11 scheduled to fly that day.  What few eye witnesses say a very small plane, holding no more than 10-12 seats, or "a missle with wings".  Check out the examination of that flight and the photos  on thewebfairy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread. — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

Blow me.

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The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/sweetdeal_title.jpg This one doesn’t NECCESARILY prove anything, other than that a KC-767 prototype did in fact exist, but it’s very telling nevertheless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

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[snip] All in all, it was a pretty typical outing, tho shorter than most.

Somehow, I missed this TR but it has a familiar ring to it.  :) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Darn sight safer than coming out of the Air & Space Museum at 11:30 and the car won’t start or hitting a pothole on 295 and blowing two tires!  Now THAT will crease your seat! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Thanks.  I assume that you fished there after dark.  Did you  feel reasonably safe doing that ? After dark is best on stripers with an in-running tide.  Try a black Clouser with yellow eyes and a touch of Crystal Flash. —

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I too caught a channel cat in the Potomac many years ago, almost in the same spot that you did.  Judging by my very limited sample, there must be a lot of them in  there.  I caught a good-sized one above the Chain Bridge last  year.  I was sure that I had a nice largemouth on until I saw it.  I did a good amount of heavy-duty rowing for that one.

I foul-hooked a couple of cats this spring.  Lots of fun until it is time to take them off the hook… The first time I fished there this year, I was on the VA side below Chain Bridge.  I wasn’t having much luck, but a Good Old Boy was reeling in catfish after catfish after catfish.  After a while, he shouted across from me, bragging about his catching and my not.  When I complemented him on doing so well, he told me that last week was better.  He took home 57 catfish after a day’s fishing.  Ate them in one sitting.  Fed his entire family.  The DC license states, in big letters, not to eat catfish, carp, or eels because they are full of PCBs.  I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.  I don’t think he had a DC license to read. JR

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 Ok.  I asked because when I was at Fletcher’s one evening,  the owner there was anxious to close up to avoid taking a  chance on being held up.

On the evening of my encounter with the GOB, I walked back up to the parking area on the VA side of Chain Bridge to find the extended cab window on the passenger side broken.  Lost a book of CDs.  Does that count? John

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 that well and the travel rod I was using wasn’t ideal for a heavy  Teeny/clouser combo.   I’d get the line out 45-50 feet, which meant  that the fly reached bottom just as it was passing the boat, and  was rising back up no more than 10 feet later.

I used to have a hell of a time throwing sinking lines with my soft St. Croix Pro Graphite until I learned to make an underhand backcast.  I too caught a channel cat in the Potomac many years ago, almost in the same spot that you did. Mu

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After dark is best on stripers with an in-running tide.  Try a black Clouser with yellow eyes and a touch of Crystal Flash. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Just upstream from downtown DC, the Potomac flows  through a heavily wooded gorge alongside the Chesapeake  and Ohio Canal.   Up a ways, but still within DC limits,  is Fletcher’s Boat House, a family business of some 100  years of renting rowboats and canoes.  Also at this time of  the year there are striped bass in the river, and I hadn’t  had a chance to fish for those since late last summer.  According to the boat house web site reports, early morning  was the best time for the stripers.  That aligned neatly with  a late start for meetings on Sunday.  I grabbed a cab from  my hotel and was at the boat house at a quarter to six.  The  boat house was still closed, but one of the owners was down  on the dock getting ready to fish.  He offered to let me take a  rowboat on a promise to do the paperwork and payment when  I got back.  The boat house sits on a shallow inlet.  On the outer edge  of the inlet on the upstream side is a shoal marked by a buoy.  I rowed for that spot, intending to fish the seam between  the river and the inlet just below the shoal.  Since the river  moves at a good clip in the main channel and the water is at  least 10 feet deep, I decided to use my Teeny 300 line.  By now it was 6 AM.  None of the usual weekday noises – from  cars, planes, helicopters –  were in the air, and I could imagine  myself back three hundred years, with nothing downstream  but water and woods, and herring surfacing all over.  I tried a #1 hook clouser first, since I figured that I had the best  chance of getting close to the bottom with it on the fast side of  the seam.  I had some problems with that, since I don’t cast all  that well and the travel rod I was using wasn’t ideal for a heavy Teeny/clouser combo.   I’d get the line out 45-50 feet, which meant  that the fly reached bottom just as it was passing the boat, and  was rising back up no more than 10 feet later.  After a bit of this, casting on both sides of the seam, I decided to  try a white deceiver, tied on a 1/0 hook, partly because it came  closest to looking like the herring that were all over the river.   I  concentrated on the slow side of the seam, letting out some  additional line and letting it dangle, twitching it a bit, when it  was fully downstream from me.  The third time down, something  clobbered the deceiver and I had my first striper on !   Well, a  little striper.  Well, maybe something else.  Well, how about a  modest-sized channel cat ?  Things continued to go downhill after that: I lost the deceiver  on the following cast, then several clousers.  The Fletcher  Boat House guy was fishing upstream from me a ways, and  seemed to have a fish on his line every time I looked up.  I told  myself that he was just bait-fishing, but I didn’t *really* know  that for sure.  Then I snagged bottom again.  Deciding I had lost  one fly too many,  I pulled anchor determined to recover my fly and  then try a slow-moving chute between two large boulders about 100 feet away.  With the anchor up the boat begin to drift quickly  with the current.  Grabbing the oars, while holding on to the rod, I  tried to manipulate three ungainly objects with two hands and in one  of those series of moves –    the very complicated ones which the  great athletes make look easy –  I snapped the fly rod in two.  I rowed back to shore, docked, and watched two deer graze within  40 feet of me before they sauntered off into the woods.  I walked up  to the boat house, now open, with my busted weapon in hand.  Owner #2 gave me some coffee in consolation and then offered to  lend me one of his spinning rods.  I told him that he didn’t *really*  want to do that.  He assured me that he broke as many rods as I did.  I assured him that he didn’t.  All in all, it was a pretty typical outing, tho shorter than most.

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  I am happy to report that there are exceptionally courteous fisherman out there too. Paul

_____  To notice, is impressive Paul.  There is hope! — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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There have been a few threads on GDA’s (I think we have a new TLA) lately and some of the tales pale in comparison to some I have run into. I am happy to report that there are exceptionally courteous fisherman out there too. Paul

I guess it’s akin to one unhappy customer who tells 20 people of their bad experience with company xyz and the hundreds of perfectly satisfied customers who tell nobody.  By and large sportsmen/women are a genial bunch and the good far out number the few well, not so good….I guess the exceptions are the ones that stand out and get noticed.  I’ll have to remember to thank my oil delivery man next time I see him. I’m fairly new to newsgroups (this is only the second one I subscribed to) so if this is a stupid question, and I have this sinking feeling it is, feel free to laugh…..but, what is a TLA? Natty

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[snippage] I’m fairly new to newsgroups (this is only the second one I subscribed to) so if this is a stupid question, and I have this sinking feeling it is, feel free to laugh…..but, what is a TLA?

A "Three Letter Acronym", of course…

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A "Three Letter Acronym", of course…

Duh.  See, I knew it was a stupid question. Natty

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"Salmon_Fly" wrote… On Saturday Dave Price an I fished the Ausable in NY. While we were fishing a stretch above the no-kill area I heard a noise behind me and a someone stepped out of the woods and stood at the edge of the River. I was a little bummed because I had intended to work my way upstream. But there was enough room for two people to come in and fish between myself and where Dave was.

Yadda, yadda, yadda… Did you guys fish your bamboo rods? –Steve

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[snip] Yadda, yadda, yadda… Did you guys fish your bamboo rods? –Steve

Don’t ask stupid questions… of course we did. Dave and I met Saturday morning at one of my favorite fishing spots. As we were getting ready another guy was leaving and when we asked how he did and he grumbled somethng about getting skunked. We get down to the river and Dave has a fish on the first cast. I landed a couple small bows before the waders would have done more good over my head. We decided to take the trip up to the Ausable. We fished 4 spots in the afternoon and didn’t see a fish. We broke for dinner around 4:30 and went back out. One of the spots that we saw earlier in the day was vacant so we decided to fish that. I saw a few fish jump clear of the water chasing something but couldn’t get them interested in anything. Then as the sun went down I got my first brown on a #4 stimulator. There were a few more short strikes on it but no more fish. I then tried a fly that Day Tripper came up with. First cast I had a strike 2nd cast I landed another brown about 16". I ended up with 8 browns, two in the 12" range, five in the 16" to 18" and the last one of the evening was about 22". Dave was fishing with a 7′ 3pc that he built on a Leonard taper It was the first time out for that rod. I was fishing a 6′ 9" 2pc that I built based on a Cattanach taper. Paul

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There was another fisherman about 75 yds below me. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I concede that it is strange, pleasant and nice to experience courteous behavior…..but why didn’t he just disturb the water ‘below’ you…..not that I would have thought of suggesting same had it been me….john …makes for a nice day, eh? On Saturday Dave Price an I fished the Ausable in NY. While we were fishing a stretch above the no-kill area I heard a noise behind me and a someone stepped out of the woods and stood at the edge of the River. I was a little bummed because I had intended to work my way upstream. But there was enough room for two people to come in and fish between myself and where Dave was. The gentleman stood there for 10 min or better not moving and I just kept casting. When it was obvious that the fish weren’t interested in the fly I pulled it in to change it. It was then he spoke up and asked if he could cross the river upstream from me. I said be my guest and went back to picking the next selection. When he was about half way across the river I said to him that he was only the second person that ever bothered to ask permission and thanked him. When I went back to fishing I noticed that he was gone. He was crossing the river to hike into a remote section of the river. He wasn’t going to fish were we were, he was asking permission to disturb the water upstream from me.  There have been a few threads on GDA’s (I think we have a new TLA) lately and some of the tales pale in comparison to some I have run into. I am happy to report that there are exceptionally courteous fisherman out there too. Paul

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On Saturday Dave Price an I fished the Ausable in NY. While we were fishing a stretch above the no-kill area I heard a noise behind me and a someone stepped out of the woods and stood at the edge of the River. I was a little bummed because I had intended to work my way upstream. But there was enough room for two people to come in and fish between myself and where Dave was. The gentleman stood there for 10 min or better not moving and I just kept casting. When it was obvious that the fish weren’t interested in the fly I pulled it in to change it. It was then he spoke up and asked if he could cross the river upstream from me. I said be my guest and went back to picking the next selection. When he was about half way across the river I said to him that he was only the second person that ever bothered to ask permission and thanked him. When I went back to fishing I noticed that he was gone. He was crossing the river to hike into a remote section of the river. He wasn’t going to fish were we were, he was asking permission to disturb the water upstream from me.  There have been a few threads on GDA’s (I think we have a new TLA) lately and some of the tales pale in comparison to some I have run into. I am happy to report that there are exceptionally courteous fisherman out there too. Paul

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Well, I concede that it is strange, pleasant and nice to experience courteous behavior…..but why didn’t he just disturb the water ‘below’ you…..not that I would have thought of suggesting same had it been me….john …makes for a nice day, eh?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Saturday Dave Price an I fished the Ausable in NY. While we were fishing a stretch above the no-kill area I heard a noise behind me and a someone stepped out of the woods and stood at the edge of the River. I was a little bummed because I had intended to work my way upstream. But there was enough room for two people to come in and fish between myself and where Dave was. The gentleman stood there for 10 min or better not moving and I just kept casting. When it was obvious that the fish weren’t interested in the fly I pulled it in to change it. It was then he spoke up and asked if he could cross the river upstream from me. I said be my guest and went back to picking the next selection. When he was about half way across the river I said to him that he was only the second person that ever bothered to ask permission and thanked him. When I went back to fishing I noticed that he was gone. He was crossing the river to hike into a remote section of the river. He wasn’t going to fish were we were, he was asking permission to disturb the water upstream from me.  There have been a few threads on GDA’s (I think we have a new TLA) lately and some of the tales pale in comparison to some I have run into. I am happy to report that there are exceptionally courteous fisherman out there too. Paul

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Scott, My family and I were there in April.  Could not wait to get out of the place.  Forget any thought of an idyllic tropical paradise.  Nor can foreign nationals travel to the Nicobars.  You will have to travel away from Port Blair if you want to find anything that is clean.  When I travelled to No 7 beach on Havelock which is claimed to be amongst the most beautiful beaches in the world I was disappointed.  Other people, and particularly those from the northern hemisphere, might find that beach pretty but I am from Australia where we only have white sand beaches much of which are uninhabited.  Moreover, having travelled widely I was looking for an out-of-the-way paradise.  Andamans are no paradise and its only legacy apart from forming some lasting friendships with fellow disappointed travellers was to awaken my interest in fourth world issues. In this instance, why can India perpetuate control over foreign territory they inherited from the British. Regards Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone familiar with the Andaman or Nicobar Islands of India, I would appreciate any and all information.  I am very interested in unspoiled beaches and have a mission to travel the world over to find the most beautiful and pristine beaches.  I understand these are some of the Islands I need to add to my conquests. Thank you. Scott, Los Angeles

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The Andamans are a good place to travel to if you like adventure AND are able to plan & organise your own trip. It’s not hard to get to the Andamans, you only need some time to wait for the first flight or ship from the mainland to Port Blair. It’s better to take a return plane ticket, only than you can use your time to see the islands. Those who go by ship (bunk class) need some day’s to buy a return ticket ! link: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/4867/Havelock.html

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The andamans are very, very nice. but how long they stay that way is in question. Its difficult to book flighs as they go very quickley to if you plan to fly then book ahead. I went by boat which was fine. the crossing was ok, bunk class was barablr if your used to india. the only problem is that the ferry services dont run in line with your 1 month pern=mit, so i ended up having to leave 10 days early or risk an overstay and mucho hassle. there are some nice beaches and diving is possible. (i learnt to dive there and am now a dive instructoir myself). the locals are mostly banglideshi refugees so they dont really have a good understanding of island ecology. so the beaches tend to become rubish dumps and places for the locals to get pissed on away from pring eyes. there is still a traveler comunity there and plenty to keep you busy for a month. good food, nice culture, beautiful islands. try not to be a wanker and respect the fact that parts of the chain are off limits. this is for the protection of the indigenous people who would suffer greatly if they came in contact with others. (think flu epidemics wiping out a culture with no immunity and you’d be on the right track) have a good one.  (ps far too much shark fin fishing going on for my liking!!! and also palns for international hotels and airports)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone familiar with the Andaman or Nicobar Islands of India, I would appreciate any and all information.  I am very interested in unspoiled beaches and have a mission to travel the world over to find the most beautiful and pristine beaches.  I understand these are some of the Islands I need to add to my conquests. Thank you. Scott, Los Angeles

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Anyone familiar with the Andaman or Nicobar Islands of India, I would appreciate any and all information.  I am very interested in unspoiled beaches and have a mission to travel the world over to find the most beautiful and pristine beaches.  I understand these are some of the Islands I need to add to my conquests. Thank you. Scott, Los Angeles

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I was there a few years ago with my family. It’s really quite, nice people, clean. But there is not much to do there, since you are allowed to go only to a few places. The water was not so clear. George

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah HF, I remember you telling me that a week or two ago… I figure either you’re a Gen-U-Wine masochist or you REALLY like to drive. Wait a minute, you’re hosting the dangdest convention of nitwits and yahoos since the 1979 Star Trek convention… OK, so you’re a masochist. But for me: 1. I HATE to drive. For 14 years I averaged 50-70k per year on the job. Don’t wanna do long drives unless I have to. I even make my wife drive when we go somewhere together in town. 2. I LIKE to fly. Hey, I’m fishing around for some sky time here! 3. When YOU drove it, there was probably no posted speed limit, and your biggest traffic concern was getting the horses out of the way of your ‘32 Coupe, since you were going close to 100! Ah, the joys of a misspent youth… Mike

It was a 35 Ford Coupe.  And it wasn’t far from 100, but on the high side! Actually, it got a lot easier since Kentucky finished the Interstate. Our oldest daughter was a Professor at the University of Georgia at Athens for a while, and we made the trip several times recently.   I just can’t talk my wife into making those trips in the airplane. She keeps insisting that it would be fine, but she has to be BACK on time!   HF

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I just can’t talk my wife into making those trips in the airplane. She keeps insisting that it would be fine, but she has to be BACK on time!

I suppose suggesting you borrow, rent or buy a Mooney is out of the question! Warren

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I just can’t talk my wife into making those trips in the airplane. She keeps insisting that it would be fine, but she has to be BACK on time! I suppose suggesting you borrow, rent or buy a Mooney is out of the question! Warren

It doesn’t have anything to do with the particular airplane.  She can drive, but I am the only pilot!  Need I say more … HF

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Mike, Mike, Mike, You’ll have to do better than that. 1. I HATE to drive. For 14 years I averaged 50-70k per year on the job. Don’t wanna do long drives unless I have to. I even make my wife drive when we go somewhere together in town.

So, bring her along.  And let her drive.  Tell her it shows her just how much you trust her.  My family came last year and plans to come this year. Go to sleep as soon as you hit interstate and when you wake up, you’ll be there.  "0" minutes travel time. 2. I LIKE to fly. Hey, I’m fishing around for some sky time here!

When you get there, you’ll fly.  Guaranteed. 3. When YOU drove it, there was probably no posted speed limit, and your biggest traffic concern was getting the horses out of the way of your ‘32 Coupe, since you were going close to 100! Ah, the joys of a misspent youth…

Possibly.  But the speed limit now is at least 70 and most likely 75 so there’s not that much difference.  Besides, you’ll be asleep and the wife’s driving so what do you care?  :-) Next incredibly lame argument? John Stricker — why I had to put it in.  If one of you real humans wants to contact me: "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian"

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Yeah HF, I remember you telling me that a week or two ago… I figure either you’re a Gen-U-Wine masochist or you REALLY like to drive. Wait a minute, you’re hosting the dangdest convention of nitwits and yahoos since the 1979 Star Trek convention… OK, so you’re a masochist. But for me: 1. I HATE to drive. For 14 years I averaged 50-70k per year on the job. Don’t wanna do long drives unless I have to. I even make my wife drive when we go somewhere together in town. 2. I LIKE to fly. Hey, I’m fishing around for some sky time here! 3. When YOU drove it, there was probably no posted speed limit, and your biggest traffic concern was getting the horses out of the way of your ‘32 Coupe, since you were going close to 100! Ah, the joys of a misspent youth… Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Soooo…… Too far to drive for a three day weekend!  I used to commute to Atlanta from Pinckneyville.   HF

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Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Soooo……

Too far to drive for a three day weekend!  I used to commute to Atlanta from Pinckneyville.   HF

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Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Soooo…… Is anyone in this forum planning to make the pilgrimage, have need of a seat polisher, beer holder and extra wallet, AND willing to stop and pick up a hitchhiker somewhere around Atlanta? Mike "I make long run-on sentences so I can save all the periods to use at the end…" Patterson PS maybe you better check out my web page first, especially if you’ns be a Dimocrat. OTOH, that could make it MORE fun, eh? Mike Patterson   –   Deacon Blues AMA #598863  EAA #523920  NRA #BVS2395T  ICQ #7161589 < http://www.mindspring.com/~mikepatterson "Sharing the things I know and love with those of my kind…" Humans please ignore the following- More SPAM bait: http://barnstormers.dyn.ml.org/email.html

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Cut the crap Mike… You Southern boys are always "poor mouthing" your lot in life. Checking your website, your about to sell a house? $116, 000 should get you a round trip ticket to anyplace of your choosing, unless you drop by the casinos here in Kansas City ! Not owning a plane, certainly provides you with even more disposable income than us owner types. Checking with Expedia/Flight Wizard, a commercial round trip flight can be had for as little as $236.00 RIGHT NOW. See…  http://expedia.msn.com/daily/home/default.hts So, book it and rest easy. If your good with a wrench, book one way and maybe HF will keep you busy attending to the needs of the "Red Lady". He has plenty of "cot space’ for the homeless. Just bring your own cot. High Flyer IS touchy about snoozing on his. Don’t ask how I know.  <g Bob – already signed up for P’ville 99 – U. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Since it’s too far to drive for a 3 day weekend, and since I’m too poor to own/rent/fly myself (not to mention I’m only a wannabe pilot so far)(oh-oh, did I mention the unmentionable?), my choices for P’ville ‘99 are to hitchhike, fly the "big iron" (I’m checking prices this weekend), or my preferred means of travel would be to catch a ride and share expenses with someone who’ll be passing through the Atlanta area on their way there… Mike Patterson  

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I have figured out how to use fiberoptics to backlight a chest pack.  It has no direct light to scare trout, used red light, and only needs a couple of AAA batteries.

Well done ! Do you all think that this is marketable?  I could retrofit most chest packs for under $35, which is chump change to fly fishing (or so Orvis seems to think)….

Of course it’s marketable.  I won’t buy one though.  What fun would night fishing be if you had a reliable light ? TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have figured out how to use fiberoptics to backlight a chest pack.  It has no direct light to scare trout, used red light, and only needs a couple of AAA batteries. Do you all think that this is marketable?  I could retrofit most chest packs for under $35, which is chump change to fly fishing (or so Orvis seems to think)…. No, it’s too cheap and inconspicuous.  What’s the fun of buying flyfishing stuff if every yahoo can afford it and no one can see it?  I’d rather ostentatiously pull the Honda generator out of my Orvis Jeep Cherokee, crank her up so that all can hear me and run the power out to me while I’m in the stream.  That way I can use a halogen lamp to read the faxes coming in from my broker in Japan over my handheld cellular fax machine. Plus, without a direct light, who’ll be able to see me?  And even if they could, won’t a red light throw off my color coordinated vest and hat?  Sounds like a bad idea to me. Musconet

Great stuff, I love off-season :-

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I’m Interested in buying a boat for shallow water fishing in Bays and Rivers (Chesapeake Bay) Can anyone give me thier opinion on the Carolina Skiffs. I’ll be flyfishing from this boat. Preferably would like to hear from skiff owners or dealers. Thanks Nick DelleDonne "The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop"

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I’m Interested in buying a boat for shallow water fishing in Bays and Rivers (Chesapeake Bay) Can anyone give me thier opinion on the Carolina Skiffs. I’ll be flyfishing from this boat. Preferably would like to hear from skiff owners or dealers. Thanks Nick DelleDonne "The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop"

Hi Nick: I own a Southern Skimmer,(pretty much the same boat) I love it, you don’t need much water to run in or that much power to push it. I use mine on the great south bay on long island(NY) and it gets a little bouncy when its rough but on a river or lake where it’s a little calmer it should be great. J Branca

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would someone please repost the address for the vote on the fly tying group. thank you — Gerry Hudson Judy Hudson

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would someone please repost the address for the vote on the fly tying group.

Send an email message with one of the following two lines (and only that in the message) as the text of the message: I vote YES to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying I vote NO to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Please vote if you haven’t done so.  There are only 9 days left to vote. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Any info on possibilities of small lake or stream fishing here. I have heard there’s some bass possibilities here.

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There are lots of ponds with LM and Peacock bass in them.  I’ve personally only caught them on a spinning rod, but there’s no reason they wouldn’t take flies.  There may be some bass or other interesting creatures in the larger streams.  There sure are a lot of them on Kauai, and there are some nice flats areas that ought to be fishable for Ulua (Trevally) and their younger brothers, Papio.–Crashjibe

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Only stream fishing when i was there ran through Kokee State Park.  Purely "put & take" trout.  Definite for Peacock.  Don’t expect to find ANY gear there, though.

I fished some of the freshwater reservoirs in cane fields (get a permit…they’re free from the sugar co.). Largemouth and peacock a’plenty *:) I thought I remember reading where Kokee has a very short fishing season….did I remember right?

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Hello World, I am giving a presentation on Computers and Fly Fishing, and need some images preferably .bmp files to show people. Any uuencoded images of fly patterns would be gratefully received Thanks in advance Chris Cox

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There is a company in Norway who has made a new PC-database program for flytyers and flyfishers. The program is: FlyLab PC ver.1.2 for windows. It has 900 flypatterns in colours and with descriptions. The company is: Fine Line Classic Collection,                 Langoddveien 49,                 N-1335 SNAROYA,                 NORWAY.             phone  : (+47)67 53 28 40                                     fax no.: (+47)66 84 96 22 —– Stig Kjolnes

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