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I’m just trying to figure out where there’s *any* flyfishing near the Frying Pan river. I lived there for 15 years and all I ever saw was a liquid golf course. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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The Green through Wyoming has far fewer fish per mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers.

I would humbly suggest a copy of the book "A River No More" so you can appreciate fully your understatement. Your pal, — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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I’m just trying to figure out where there’s *any* flyfishing near the Frying Pan river. I lived there for 15 years and all I ever saw was a liquid golf course.

Liquid Golf Course, eh?  I suppose to each is own!  I admit I was never crazy about fishing the Frying Pan right at the dam.  You almost spend more time cleaning up trash than working the river.  Some good size fish that have been hooked to death.  But then again any tailwater that has such a limited flow will exhibit such problems to the fish.  The Taylor, Frying Pan, Williams Fork, and the South Platte all come to mind.   Let’s not forget the great opportunities Colorado offers for the fly fisherman.  So many fisherman drive past some incredible freestone rivers to get to what some call the Disney Parks of fly fishing.  But to each is own and who am I to judge?  I fished as many rivers as possible and I enjoyed the unique view each one had to offer. A liquid gold course to one guy is a dream vacation to another… — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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A liquid gold course to one guy is a dream vacation to another…

That, my friend, was a ‘precious’ misspelling. — A Cash Flow Runs Through It

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A liquid gold course to one guy is a dream vacation to another… That, my friend, was a ‘precious’ misspelling.

Very metallic to say the least. — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Willi would have us believe: The tailwater section below Flaming Gorge is a "destination" fishing area. Many fish per mile, large fish, but lots of people. The Green through [some godforsaken wilderness] has far fewer fish per

mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers.

The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. There are other parts of the Green that you’ll hear (tormented) people discuss once in a while, but all the fish are long gone. A bunch of white bastards showed up from Montana and loaded them into ice chests and hauled them away in their pickup trucks. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. There are other parts of the Green that you’ll hear (tormented) people discuss once in a while, but all the fish are long gone. A bunch of white bastards showed up from Montana and loaded them into ice chests and hauled them away in their pickup trucks.

Rusty,   Information just in the nick of time.  I was planning on going to those "other parts" but, now that I know there are no fish there, I’ll go to the Flaming Gorge section instead:) Snoop —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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That section of the gorge supports boating, does it not? I have a 20′ whaler I want to boat with, camp. cruise..etc.. is it possible to camp this section, and hike to the good fly spots?….How far away would you estimate the loading ramps & parking lot for trailers to be? thanx for info… richard colorado – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Willi would have us believe: The tailwater section below Flaming Gorge is a "destination" fishing area. Many fish per mile, large fish, but lots of people. The Green through [some godforsaken wilderness] has far fewer fish per mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers. The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. There are other parts of the Green that you’ll hear (tormented) people discuss once in a while, but all the fish are long gone. A bunch of white bastards showed up from Montana and loaded them into ice chests and hauled them away in their pickup trucks. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

Absofragginlutely.  Once you cross into Wyoming, there is narry a fish to be seen in the Green. Craig A. Gullixson National Solar Observatory/Sac. Peak    PHONE: (505) 434-7065 Sunspot, NM 88349 USA                   FAX: (505) 434-7029

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That section of the gorge supports boating, does it not? I have a 20′ whaler I want to boat with, camp. cruise..etc.. is it possible to camp this section, and hike to the good fly spots?….How far away would you estimate the loading ramps & parking lot for trailers to be?

I don’t know what a 20 foot whaler is but it sounds like it would be overkill on the river. There is alot of floating done on the river in drift boats, rafts and even some bellyboats. There are several campgrounds in the area but I believe that in that section of the river, camping is only allowed in the designated campgrounds. There are easy trails up and down the river. Willi

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is the section you are referring to "below the dam" or "above the dam" ? the 20′ whaler is a pretty big, heavy boat…not for small to med streams…more lakes & large rivers…(& ocean).. thanx.. richard colorado – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That section of the gorge supports boating, does it not? I have a 20′ whaler I want to boat with, camp. cruise..etc.. is it possible to camp this section, and hike to the good fly spots?….How far away would you estimate the loading ramps & parking lot for trailers to be? I don’t know what a 20 foot whaler is but it sounds like it would be overkill on the river. There is alot of floating done on the river in drift boats, rafts and even some bellyboats. There are several campgrounds in the area but I believe that in that section of the river, camping is only allowed in the designated campgrounds. There are easy trails up and down the river. Willi

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is the section you are referring to "below the dam" or "above the dam" ?

Below the dam. You like Cheeseman, so I think you’d really like the fishing there. Plentiful, big fish that you can usually sight fish. I’ve only fished it once and that was late Fall. I was able to get water to myself. From what I understand, it’s not as crowded as Cheeseman but close, especially during prime time. Hatches are much more varied than Cheeseman. The canyon is quite scenic and there quite a few miles of "quality" water. Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder. Not sure I follow you…  I wouldn’t drive from Klamath Falls to Colorado Springs via the Bighorn. You commented on the crowds not being too bad on the Bighorn. Then you picked what are probably the two most heavilly fished rivers between Klamath Falls and Colorado Springs for the guy to fish.

Well I didn’t suggest the South Platte!  That would rank in the top 3, for sure.  I also didn’t hot spot some other quality areas that fish really well that time of year.  A couple of spots in Utah and a number of areas in Colorado. The Arkansas and Eagle are most likely blown out during that period of time, so suggesting those rivers would be pointless.  The Raddy, Poudre, and Big T, might also suffer from runoff problemos. What else?  Well he could make a trip over to the Taylor River, the Yampa below Stagecoach reservoir, and a final stop at the Williams Fork and/or Blue River.  Steamboat would be beautiful in late May and worth a night of relaxation. He could also take the very southern route and hit Lee’s Ferry and the San Juan!  Two great tailwaters.  The San Juan might have a good flow during late May, but that of course depends upon the final snowpack which isn’t looking so hot in that area right now.  Durango would make a fine stop for a night.  The Animas in Durango is a great fishery, but once again that May runoff could be a problemo. Want to stay north of 40 Lat?  OK.  Try the Henry’s Fork, Snake, Beaverhead, Missouri, or the BIGHORN!  Heck, If I have a drift boat by then(doubtful) I will even take you down the river!  We could split the rental on drift boat if you would like.  $100 a day.  Drop south on I25/I90 and hit Grey Reef and the Miracle Mile before you reach the metro area cooridor from Ft Collins to Pueblo. So many hatches, so many rivers, and such little time! — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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thanx for the info…i’ll get a map and check it out… richard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is the section you are referring to "below the dam" or "above the dam" ? Below the dam. You like Cheeseman, so I think you’d really like the fishing there. Plentiful, big fish that you can usually sight fish. I’ve only fished it once and that was late Fall. I was able to get water to myself. From what I understand, it’s not as crowded as Cheeseman but close, especially during prime time. Hatches are much more varied than Cheeseman. The canyon is quite scenic and there quite a few miles of "quality" water. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder. Not sure I follow you…  I wouldn’t drive from Klamath Falls to Colorado Springs via the Bighorn.

You commented on the crowds not being too bad on the Bighorn. Then you picked what are probably the two most heavilly fished rivers between Klamath Falls and Colorado Springs for the guy to fish. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

In the water, of course. /daytripper (This ain’t no shuttle launch.  ;-)

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder.

Not sure I follow you…  I wouldn’t drive from Klamath Falls to Colorado Springs via the Bighorn.   — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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what part/or location is good on the green river? anyone fished up near flaming gorge nat’l park? good fishing up that way? thanx… richard colorado

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. Paul — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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what part/or location is good on the green river? anyone fished up near flaming gorge nat’l park? good fishing up that way?

Depends on what you call good fishing: The tailwater section below Flaming Gorge is a "destination" fishing area. Many fish per mile, large fish, but lots of people. The Green through Wyoming has far fewer fish per mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. Paul — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

One more thing!  Be aware of runoff in late May!  Depending upon the final snowpack, nearly all the non-tailwater fisheries will be blown out. Paul — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork.

And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

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I just want to say thanks to all of the participants in the past weeks issues.  Listening to everyones feelings and knowing that I am not alone in my distraction.  I just need to make something!!! So its out to the shop I go to build some blanks for some new turned bowls. I also have to make a material list for the new shop addition!!!  25 X 11 for a dark humidity controled storage area. While I am changing my focus from last week’s event’s, my outrage and desire to see those responsible fry is still very strong. Well I hear some Black Walnut calling. O, I’m going to go out later and do my part to stimulate the economy. Need a new pair of hip waders. Later Tom in Oregon

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Right there with ya Tom, I made sawdust all day yesterday and didn’t miss that TV one little bit. David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just want to say thanks to all of the participants in the past weeks issues.  Listening to everyones feelings and knowing that I am not alone in my distraction.  I just need to make something!!! So its out to the shop I go to build some blanks for some new turned bowls. I also have to make a material list for the new shop addition!!!  25 X 11 for a dark humidity controled storage area. While I am changing my focus from last week’s event’s, my outrage and desire to see those responsible fry is still very strong. Well I hear some Black Walnut calling. O, I’m going to go out later and do my part to stimulate the economy. Need a new pair of hip waders. Later Tom in Oregon

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O, I’m going to go out later and do my part to stimulate the economy. Need a new pair of hip waders.

Yep, winter in the Northwest is quickly approaching – btw, maybe you ought to locate the shop in a hill.   — Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 <http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com <http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html

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One thing that I like about woodworking (or making anything else for that matter) is that it keeps me away from TV, which is a good thing IMHO (too much biased crap on TV nowadays) — replace n with s to reply — Tai Fu NAR# 76089 L1

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Well Owen, I’m in Aloha and there just ain’t no hills on my land. Looking forward to several days on the wilson river though, hoping for some decent fishing. All the while remembering those who are no longer with us. The bowl I finished yesterday was started and dated 9-11-01. I had just dated it when my wife told me what was happening in New York. Tom in Oregon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – O, I’m going to go out later and do my part to stimulate the economy. Need a new pair of hip waders. Yep, winter in the Northwest is quickly approaching – btw, maybe you ought to locate the shop in a hill.   — Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 <http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com <http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html

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I agree Tai. Last week end we did not listen to any broadcast TV. Just watched a bunch of movies.  Partly due to to much information and being overwhelmed by it all, but mainly needing some time to reflect and try to sort out our feelings. Tom in Oregon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One thing that I like about woodworking (or making anything else for that matter) is that it keeps me away from TV, which is a good thing IMHO (too much biased crap on TV nowadays) — replace n with s to reply — Tai Fu NAR# 76089 L1

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I usually go for the "bottle of beer" fly, and hope and pray the water clears up … cheers, edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – which fly would you recommend straight after a heavy downpour of rain with the river still running brown for salmon in Scotland

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Oh I would not hesitate to use steelhead flies for Atlantic salmon fishing, that was not what I meant.  I meant using things like Griffiths Gnats, beetles or ants or similar things, is a complete waste of time for Atlantic salmon on spawning runs, which is the only time they are fished for in Scotland.  Fishing for immature fish, ( parr etc ), which would take "naturals",  is not done at all. Worms are invariably more successful in any case.  A large bunch of lobworms on a large hook will generally take far more salmon than any fly, especially under flood conditions, when the river is high and brown, and even when low and clear for that matter.  In many places worming is allowed under certain ( usually flood ) conditions. Fly-fishing is not always the most successful method for any given fish, or set of conditions, in fact, barring salmonids generally, it rarely is. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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Certainly does sound as if you were snorting something or other! A most attractive Aardvark lives just across the way, and being polite I sometimes stop, to pass the time of day. she has some awkward habits though, she likes snorting ants, but when you find aardvarks attractive, this just tightens up your pants. One takes more care in ones appearance, sports dentures and toupee and a surgically lengthened nose of course, is a real hit right away. I really wanted to be an orca, but my paltry fishing skills will not suffice, its very difficult to cast with fins as well, and the operation has its price. And so I am stuck with aardvarks, and am sometimes moved to prose, when a large and  juicy termite is sucked loudly up my nose, this often makes my poor eyes water, and you need a lot of wipes, zebras have it better, but its just too hard to transplant stripes. I have been approached by possums too, invited to their lair, but I think this may be mainly due, to my artificial hair, Gummy bears have also been sniffing around of late, but I just take out my dentures then, and leave them on the plate. This discourages such advances, and is really quite a lark, but when I forget to put them in again, it upsets my aardvark. I am proud of my proboscis now, it cost a pretty penny too, the only disadvantage now, is that I live in the local zoo. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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Opie writes: Ok, I concede redeye gravy an grits. Opie

Heeeehaaaaa.  A yankee teachin’ a pooh boy how to eat!  Heyyyahhh.  Georgia ice cream!!!!!!   Course, a good vodka to help it along is always welcome.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything.

They just *told* you it was gravy<g. — Charlie…

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Ernie Harrison writes: Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie Hell, there are few things better than good old country ham, red eye gravy and grits (good grits — none of that instant stuff). Dave, whose marriage to two southern belles is obviously showing.

Huh?  I thought they only did that in Utah.  Hey Verrrrrnnnn!

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Jeff, You obviously need a bit more Southern acculturation. Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk. Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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Jeff,    Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! Jeff

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Ernie Harrison writes: Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie

Hell, there are few things better than good old country ham, red eye gravy and grits (good grits — none of that instant stuff). Dave, whose marriage to two southern belles is obviously showing.

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Except *GRITS.* Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff,    Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! Jeff

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Ok, I concede redeye gravy an grits. Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ernie Harrison writes: Jeff,   Those southern guys put gravy on everything. Ernie Hell, there are few things better than good old country ham, red eye gravy and grits (good grits — none of that instant stuff). Dave, whose marriage to two southern belles is obviously showing.

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If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.

Being a northern guy, I didn’t understand the problem with grits.  Ya see, I thought they were Cream O Wheat, so I just put brown sugar and milk on em.  I always thought grits were fine until I heard about stuff like gravy and butter and salt on em!!! — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

The way you scoffed buscuits and gravy at Tootsie’s I’d always thought you to be a grits fan.  Thought you’d be pleased when the Times ran it. Don’t that beat all . . . Peter

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken

damn I thought grits was cream of wheat with sand in it…. Flyfish

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken damn I thought grits was cream of wheat with sand in it…. Flyfish

Nah – couldn’t be – cream of wheat and sand actually has FLAVOR!

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Polenta is made from whole stone ground cornmeal. That would imply some flavor to be had. Grits are made from hominy. That’s what is left after soaking corn in a lye solution and removing the bran or kernel. The original "Better eating through chemistry!". I’m from down south and I never could get used them myself. MT

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken

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Buy a good set of gravel guards, keeps the grit out.

I got the neoprene ones with the velcro closures.  Real easy to put on and very effective for keeping grits out but they also make breathing somewhat problematic.

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If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.  Cream-O-Shit, some comparison! Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Buy a good set of gravel guards, keeps the grit out. I got the neoprene ones with the velcro closures.  Real easy to put on and very effective for keeping grits out but they also make breathing somewhat problematic.

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If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.  Cream-O-Shit, some comparison! Opie

you’re damn tootin! thank god i had me a plateful this morning, o/w i wouldn’t have been able to land that big ‘ole ‘bow from yer drift did you and jeffie (who despises grits, but loves marshmellows) get any more fish after i left? i caught a couple of small brookies twitchin’ the fly back downstream on the way out. waldo

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damn I thought grits was cream of wheat with sand in it…. Flyfish

When I was stationed at Ft. Jackson SC back in the 60’s they would occasionally serve some white stuff for breakfast. If a northener asked what it was the cook would tell him cream of wheat and of course the reply to a southerner was grits. Half the mess hall would put milk & suger on it, the other half salt & pepper. Thank God I was cadre and didn’t have to eat anything I couldn’t identify.      Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Walt, I can’t speak for Jeff, but my life has no meaning.  Does that answer your question? Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you fellas can’t handle *Grits,* just leave them to us real southern folk.  Cream-O-Shit, some comparison! Opie you’re damn tootin! thank god i had me a plateful this morning, o/w i wouldn’t have been able to land that big ‘ole ‘bow from yer drift did you and jeffie (who despises grits, but loves marshmellows) get any more fish after i left? i caught a couple of small brookies twitchin’ the fly back downstream on the way out. waldo

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Buy a good set of gravel guards, keeps the grit out. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Walt, I can’t speak for Jeff, but my life has no meaning.  Does that answer your question? Opie

yeah… it tells me ya got in the cooler waldo

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I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

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I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Ken Fortenberry

GRITS!  Wonderful!  Why Ken; don’t you know grits are the closest thing you can have to nothing and still have something??!!  They are the base requirement to serving red-eye gravey! They are also not off-topic to fly fishing.  A good breakfast of grits fortifies the intrepid fly fisher-person for the day with an extra fast energy supply from the starches, sticks with you to aswage hunger, and passes along slowly enough to keep you from having to peel out of your waders around 10:30. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

um…ken, i think you transposed…no way i’m takin the budweiser.  give it to waldo, he’ll drink anything.  but the records might work. jeff

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing. Peter G. Aitken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I look forward to the Times on Wednesday morning, more so than any other morning of the week, because of the recipes in the Living Arts section. I was shocked, stunned and disgusted to find in today’s paper recipes for…I can barely bring myself to type it Ohmygawd. Grits … in the Times. Shoot me now, I’ve seen it all. Jeffie can have my Budweiser and Waldo my Django Rheinhart records. http://www.nytimes.com/library/dining/042600grits.html — Ken Fortenberry

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If they called it polenta would you be so upset? It’s essentially the same thing.

Right, and a lump of coal and a diamond are essentially the same thing. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi folks, I’m new to the group, and would like your thoughts on what is the best kayak for fly fishing coastal bays and flats.  I normally fly fish in Christmas Bay (close to Galveston, TX), and use a Zest Two – Ocean Kayak two seater.  It’s kinda tough to handle in a breeze over, say, 10 kts. I’m in the market for a faster boat that will handle higher wind conditions, and would like some input from those more knowledgable than I. Howard About Christmas Bay – http://www.christmasbay.com

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  Hi, the boat of choice here in San Diego for fishing seems to be the Scupper Pro,and Scupper Classic. I own the classic , it weighs48pds. compared to your68pd. zest. The pros weigh 55pds.      I’m able to troll effectivly even when the wind picks up, if the wind picks up while jig fishing or while i’m after halibut i use my sea anchor to slow my drift     Aqua

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I’m new to the group, and would like your thoughts on what is the best kayak for fly fishing coastal bays and flats.  I normally fly fish in Christmas Bay (close to Galveston, TX), and use a Zest Two – Ocean Kayak two seater.  It’s kinda tough to handle in a breeze over, say, 10 kts. I’m in the market for a faster boat that will handle higher wind conditions, and would like some input from those more knowledgable than I.

I’m also a newbie to this thing, but I’ve got a few opinions anyway…  [had my boat for a couple months so far] I know most folks will suggest an open cockpit boat, but don’t write off an enclosed version.   Also, I know most folks tend to prefer getting out of the boat and wade, but I’m not one of them.  I like to start more or less dry, and end more or less dry. I have very little difficulty casting my 8 weight while seated in my kayak. [Dagger Edisto].   But there is also enough deck rigging to support a decent trolling setup, and there was enough mounting and cargo room for me to add an all-around light to help with safe night fishing and transits to duck hunting spots next season.. If you are annoyed by high winds and waves, get a rudder. The difference is mind bogolling. My modest experiences so far: http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html

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If you are annoyed by high winds and waves, get a rudder. The difference is mind bogolling. My modest experiences so far: http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html

If I get out I may use a fly rod on the flats, but I have had more luck trolling from my kayak.  I dont know if its the speed or that the boat makes the fish notice my fly or lure but the success rate is pretty good for both bass and blues.  I use a kevlar kayak and a rudder to make the experience "less painful".  I also gave up using a rod from my boat.  I made a hand line device that is very easy to use.  To see one visit my site at:  http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin I usually troll rapalas, rubber eels a fly or other artifical baits. —     Hal     Wilton, NH     Power your boat with carbohydrates,     not hydrocarbons.           http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin                 0                  _O                     0

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If I get out I may use a fly rod on the flats, but I have had more luck trolling from my kayak.  I dont know if its the speed or that the boat

I do good trolling as well. experience "less painful".  I also gave up using a rod from my boat.  I made a hand line device that is very easy to use.  To see one visit my

Give up my rod and reel?  I have a rod holder angled 45 degrees backward, a bit behind the cockpit.  I can paddle (troll) at any speed without interference.  That reminds me…i was trolling at work yesterday..woops!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – here’s the story.  about a month ago a friend of mine and i got our california fishing licenses.  we have gone out several times with not much luck.  we live in reno nevada and have easy access to the truckee river, lake tahoe area, bridgeport area, and the lake davis area. most of our efforts have been concentrated on the truckee river and various other streams close by.  i have not caught anything yet and my friend has only caught one trout.  i have an experienced friend who says that flyfishing is "something you have to pay your dues with".  is that the general consensus?  what do you suggest if nothing seems to be working (like in my case)?  fish new areas?  delve into entomology?  read books? pay for a guide?  i feel like i can do this i just need to build some momentum up (and going in the right direction would help). my current setup is a 7′-6" bamboo 5/6 weight rod; 100 yards of 10 lb. backing; "courtland" shooting head line (floating); "scientific angler" leader.  i have been using and had strikes on wooly worms, wooly buggers, helgramites.  i have been using and not having luck with nymphs, cahills, grasshoppers, and various dry flies. there is nothing more frustrating than to be wading in the middle of a hole with fish rising all around me and not being able to catch one. this has actually happened twice. if anyone would be kind enough to help, my friend and i would greatly appreciate it.  thank you in advance.

Try to pick a fly that most closely matches the size of the insects that you see on the surface.  The next most important thing is to keep one hand on your line line at all times.  The fact that you are getting strikes means that your fly selection is not that bad.   A problem I used to have is I would mend and leave to much line out.   When I got a strike, I could not pull the line taught quickly enough to set the hook.  If you are not able to pull your line taught by raising your rod tip to 45 deg above horizontal, plus a single pull with your line hand, then you have to much line out. Brian Brian

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here’s the story.  about a month ago a friend of mine and i got our california fishing licenses.  we have gone out several times with not much luck.  we live in reno nevada and have easy access to the truckee river, lake tahoe area, bridgeport area, and the lake davis area. most of our efforts have been concentrated on the truckee river and various other streams close by.  i have not caught anything yet and my friend has only caught one trout.  i have an experienced friend who says that flyfishing is "something you have to pay your dues with".  is that the general consensus?  what do you suggest if nothing seems to be working (like in my case)?  fish new areas?  delve into entomology?  read books? pay for a guide?  i feel like i can do this i just need to build some momentum up (and going in the right direction would help). my current setup is a 7′-6" bamboo 5/6 weight rod; 100 yards of 10 lb. backing; "courtland" shooting head line (floating); "scientific angler" leader.  i have been using and had strikes on wooly worms, wooly buggers, helgramites.  i have been using and not having luck with nymphs, cahills, grasshoppers, and various dry flies. there is nothing more frustrating than to be wading in the middle of a hole with fish rising all around me and not being able to catch one. this has actually happened twice. if anyone would be kind enough to help, my friend and i would greatly appreciate it.  thank you in advance.

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Have fished it many times–was a deadbeat unemployed fella last year and I actually fished it 90 days. Don’t know where you live but before you go make sure you have the water release schedule halfway figured out so as not to ruin your day. Call ahead to the Ozark Angler in Heber Springs. Tell Jeff Hawthorne to tie you up some Red Diablos–the deadliest LRR fly.

Hi How about sharing the fly pattern receipe for the Red Diablo with us.   Thanks. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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- Hello All. I am looking for some info about the Little Red River Where to stay best spots to fish pretty much anything those you who have been there might be able to fill me in on. Thanks in advance Tight Lines Scott

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Have fished it many times–was a deadbeat unemployed fella last year and I actually fished it 90 days. Don’t know where you live but before you go make sure you have the water release schedule halfway figured out so as not to ruin your day. Call ahead to the Ozark Angler in Heber Springs. Tell Jeff Hawthorne to tie you up some Red Diablos–the deadliest LRR fly.

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Try Jimmy Nix’s Shineabou Shad patterns.  Jimmy developed wool and deerhair versions which are basically gray and silver.  Shad are members of the herring family.  They are the primary forage of the landlocked stripers here in Texas.

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Try Jimmy Nix’s Shineabou Shad patterns.  Jimmy developed wool and deerhair versions which are basically gray and silver.  Shad are members of the herring family.  They are the primary forage of the landlocked stripers here in Texas.

You might also want to try a post to the rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying newsgroup. That is what its there for! Good Luck.

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I’m looking for the recipe for a herring fly to use for stripers in the Merrimack river (MA).  Since these stripers are chasing the herring up the river I assume thats what there interested in, and why I’ve had no luck with white and chartruse and white decivers. I tied up a streamer with large black saddle, and grizzely concidering the herring are dark and silvery, havn’t had a chance to try it yet. Any help is appreciated. Thanx in advance PVM — Love means never having to say excuse me! / Paul V. Moruzzi                                                       | Patient Monitoring Division (PMD)                                     | | Hewlett Packard                           HP Telnet: 1-659-7850       | | 3000 Minuteman Road                           Voice: 1-508-659-7850   | | Andover, Ma.  01810-1099                        Fax: 1-508-685-5372   |

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I’ll be trying the Big Sur River just south of Monterey Calif. on Wednesday.   I figure I’ll use dark flies and quarter the stream.  It’s not a deep river so I’m going to use a floating line and let the weight of the fly do the work of getting down to the fish. So, what do you think?  Am I on the right track?

Hello Bob, We are all curious as to how you did.  If you caught one then you confirm the truism that sometimes a first time beginner can walk up to a river and catch a steelhead. Back to reality, our winter run steelhead are a very difficult quarry. They usually move quickly through the short lower sections where fishing is allowed.  Even if you can find them, you can pass a fly right in front of their nose time after time without provoking a response, although sometimes they will bite. And in many years like this one, the water isn’t clear enough for flies for months. They are a lot easier to catch on roe, but as a fly fisher I don’t find that very satisfying. I recommend you try the fall run on the Klamath and its tributaries, in late September or October.  They bite flies much more readily and often hold in riffles where fly fishers have an advantage. Good luck, Mark Vinsel

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Yes, that will work, but just remember, like with big trout, you must put the fly in front of their nose.  It might take something like a heavily weighted stonefly nymph to do the trick.  The rod wt. is OK, I have landed steelhead on my Orvis Western Spring Creek 4 wt.  If i am targeting steelhead though, I usually take a 6 or 7.  A fly I’ve had luck with on small strams that are ahallow and clear where you and the fish can see each other, is a Black Diamond (first tyed in Black Diamond, Washington).  If you’re interested and can’t find the pattern, give a yell – be glad to provide it. Burton Hawley, Corvallis, OR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Although I’m an experienced flyfisher, I really don’t know anything about flyfishing for steelhead.  What are the best tactics and flies to use for steelhead?  What is the best equipment and setup?  I have 7wt equipment.  Is this sufficient? I’ll be trying the Big Sur River just south of Monterey Calif. on Wednesday.   I figure I’ll use dark flies and quarter the stream.  It’s not a deep river so I’m going to use a floating line and let the weight of the fly do the work of getting down to the fish. So, what do you think?  Am I on the right track? Thanks Bob Moss Landing, Ca.

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Lots of good books on the topic, especially Advanced Steelhead Flyfishing that seems to focus on your area.  Flies are typically bright streamers and wild marabou patterns, though some folks prefer to fish darker flies that actually look like something alive.  Salmon egg patterns are used alot. Typical tactic is to flip it out 45 degrees to current and drift, pulling line in to cover water completely before moving a few steps.  Floating line is common(specail steelhead line is flaoting and designed for winter usage), sometimes with longer leaders with heavy flys to sink. Monofilament shock obsorbers are common as well.  So much has been written, I couldn’t do it justice.  Like most new water, its probably good to get a guide. Tom      

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Although I’m an experienced flyfisher, I really don’t know anything about flyfishing for steelhead.  What are the best tactics and flies to use for steelhead?  What is the best equipment and setup?  I have 7wt equipment.  Is this sufficient? I’ll be trying the Big Sur River just south of Monterey Calif. on Wednesday.   I figure I’ll use dark flies and quarter the stream.  It’s not a deep river so I’m going to use a floating line and let the weight of the fly do the work of getting down to the fish. So, what do you think?  Am I on the right track? Thanks Bob Moss Landing, Ca.

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Yes you are.  I would suggest you get a copy of both Dry Line Steelhead by Bill McMillan and Greased Line Fishing for Salmon (and Steelhead) by Jock Scott.  They’re the bibles.

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