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…you’re married, right? jeff (with bleedin kneecaps and poor reception) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I tried the "work and you shall earn" bit for quite a  while, so I’m trying  the "beg and you shall receive"  strategy for a change.  It’s a heck of a lot easier  on the feet, but a bit harder on the knees. See the thread that Mu started about Norman Maclean.  Very enlightening.

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It’s hit or miss time for the Batten Kill this time of

Nice TR. Often one learns far more from such days, than days when one "has a ball".  One interesting point you make, is that one of course then has to implement what one learns, just knowing it, does no good! TL MC

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Good report snipped. I sat on the bank and watched hundreds of duns climb up on rocks. I photographed some imago Hendriksons and noticed the brown eyes and segmented red body contrasting from the gray eyes and yellowish body of the subimago.

How about posting them to ABPF? Willi

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How about posting them to ABPF?

Thanks Willi. I will do that. I doubt they’ll come out too good as you need the hi-res one to see the detail. That file is over 2.5M. I will post a few up later. — Gary M

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 I have that problem as well, particularly when  it’s cold & my brain and fingers are numb and  the thought of redoing the leader, tippet, etc.  becomes overwhelming.  Often the best thing  that can happen to me is to snag & break off  my fly; that forces me to act.

You mean fishin’ line and lures, right? — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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 I’ve been tempted, lor’, how I’ve been tempted !  So I get down on my knees and pray, and God  gives me the strength to continue.  And I just  *know* things will get better once I catch a fish…

See the thread that Mu started about Norman Maclean.  Very enlightening. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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It’s hit or miss time for the Batten Kill this time of year. I envy anyone who lives nearby, as they can monitor the peak times of day for activity without the investment of a 150 mile car journey. This same weekend last year the river was high, cold and way too early for large scale Spring hatches (although it was a day in the 60s). This year I thought would be even worse, as this was the first year in 8 years I remember snow on the mountains. On Saturday it was 53F ambient, sunny, with a biting cold wind coming up the valley from New York. Water temps were about 47F. I got suited up at 12:30pm. No insect activity at all, so I nymphed for 1 hour. Missed one nice fish, but I was in a risky spot evidenced by the fact that any shift in weight gave me the sickening feeling of almost being washed downstream. I decided to head up closer to Arlington and I parked near the green bridge on River Road. There was a nice Blue Quill (Iron Blue Dun) hatch coming off and lasted most of the afternoon. No fish working them. Around 2pm, peaking at 3pm and ceasing at 5:30pm the Light Hendriksons started. Strong hatch. No fish worked the duns. Nymphs were not working for me, or any of the two other anglers. I would love to get Dave LaCourse up there, or some other ROFF nymph magician as a litmus test, as I am below average nympher on my best day. I was chilled to the bone from the wind and the water, so I retired to bank and chatted with the other anglers who had done the same. All dressed up with nowhere to go we watched the river alive with bugs and not a single rise. This is not that unusal for Hendriksons early season, the nymphs being preferential to trout, but when the nymphs are working either it is Battenkillitus! A guy from the local Orvis store nymphed through and joined us on the bank. The general consensus seems to be this is the year of the Battenkill’s comeback. He had taken a nice fish on a lure at our present spot a few weeks back, and the other guy had lost a 18-20" brown the week before on an even stronger Hendrikson hatch. Both of the guys gave up and I was about to do the same when I noticed a splash in front of where I was standing. I got in the water and tried to work upstrem to get the best float. I got 10 casts in but the upstream wind and my 12′ 6x leader gave me a case of what I call "delayed, confused dry fly landing" whereby the fly lands 3 feet upstream and 2 secs after the line hits the water. Eagerness prevented me from taking remedial action, until I could stand it no more and I took 3′ off the end. There are many kinds of patience to be acquired when fly fishing and I am deficient in the area of taking my time to get things right on my tackle. I have that irrational fear that the fish will stop feeding, the river will drain away or some other angler will bully in and take the fish first. On this last point, there was no one left on the river … I worked upstream more. Now 5 fish worked in the target area. A few splashy rises I equate with young fish but one was nebbing duns regualarly with hardly an imprint on the surface. Third cast he took my fly and my strike was took fast. He looked to be a couple of inches over a foot long. I never felt weight, but I retrieved a wispy, flyless leader. The fish stopped rising and my one chance that day was gone. I sat on the bank and watched hundreds of duns climb up on rocks. I photographed some imago Hendriksons and noticed the brown eyes and segmented red body contrasting from the gray eyes and yellowish body of the subimago. At 6:30pm I could see no sign of a spinner fall and the   cold was unbearable, so I called it a day. Next day was forecast rain and high 50s. It actually was 30s and ice pellets mixed with snow bounced off the windshield as I drove to the river. I did not suit up. The rest of this week is to be similar weather-wise. I hope this is the year of the Battenkill.  I personally consider this kind of day a good day for me on this river, errors included. Though errors are mitigated by opportunities (when you only get one opportunity it is tough) I will relish the take and forget the "break". Yes, it can be a temperamental, unforgiving and obstinate river, but I do love its challenges. I don’t know if anyone had read John Ingliss Hall’s, "Fly Fishing a Highland Stream". He captures my relationship with this river better than I could ever craft in words. Fingers crossed for 2002. — Gary M

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A lot of people want to vote for Nader and help the Green Party, but they don’t want Bush to win. It’s possible that votes for Nader in swing states will throw the election to Bush. There are two websites that help:         http://www.nadertrader.org         http://www.voteswap2000.com The idea is that a Gore supporter will vote for Nader in a state that is safe for Bush (like Texas) if a Nader supporter will vote for Gore in a swing state. That way, the Green Party gets the same popular vote, but Bush (it is hoped) is denied a victory. This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A lot of people want to vote for Nader and help the Green Party, but they don’t want Bush to win. It’s possible that votes for Nader in swing states will throw the election to Bush. There are two websites that help:    http://www.nadertrader.org    http://www.voteswap2000.com The idea is that a Gore supporter will vote for Nader in a state that is safe for Bush (like Texas) if a Nader supporter will vote for Gore in a swing state. That way, the Green Party gets the same popular vote, but Bush (it is hoped) is denied a victory. This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ <

Why don’t you fucking people stop the fucking election bull shit, left or right, and get back to fly fishing. Joel Axelrad

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Hey Jaxfly. Now, now.. relax.. it’s almost over.  Just keep repeating, it’s almost over. Instead of bitching, perhaps you might go fishing for a while, chill, and not read the political postings? now then, back to your regularly scheduled political ad….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A lot of people want to vote for Nader and help the Green Party, but they don’t want Bush to win. It’s possible that votes for Nader in swing states will throw the election to Bush. There are two websites that help: http://www.nadertrader.org http://www.voteswap2000.com The idea is that a Gore supporter will vote for Nader in a state that is safe for Bush (like Texas) if a Nader supporter will vote for Gore in a swing state. That way, the Green Party gets the same popular vote, but Bush (it is hoped) is denied a victory. This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ < Why don’t you fucking people stop the fucking election bull shit, left or right, and get back to fly fishing. Joel Axelrad

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Joel, a fellow Illini, includes rw’s whole damn post, then bitches: A lot of people want to vote for Nader … Why don’t you fucking people stop the fucking election bull shit, left or right, and get back to fly fishing.

— Ken Fortenberry- vote for Nader willya, Joel, won’t matter, Illinois is solid Gore.

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Why don’t you fucking people stop the fucking election bull shit, left or right, and get back to fly fishing.

I take it you aren’t interested in trading a Gore vote for a Nader vote? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Instead of bitching, perhaps you might go fishing for a while, chill,

Anyone who went fishing in the Northeast this weekend definitely chilled. Brrrrr! George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A lot of people want to vote for Nader and help the Green Party, but they don’t want Bush to win. It’s possible that votes for Nader in swing states will throw the election to Bush. There are two websites that help:    http://www.nadertrader.org    http://www.voteswap2000.com The idea is that a Gore supporter will vote for Nader in a state that is safe for Bush (like Texas) if a Nader supporter will vote for Gore in a swing state. That way, the Green Party gets the same popular vote, but Bush (it is hoped) is denied a victory. This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on.

Here’s what the Nader people have to say about this From CNET: [That move drew criticism Saturday from Public Citizen, the umbrella group for consumer causes founded by Nader. It said the ads would mark "a new low" in the presidential campaign and "is designed to mislead voters." ] Interesting how the ultimate consumer/public advocate thinks this is something to mislead people.  I’ll borrow a favorite phrase of Al Gore’s and simply call it…"a risky scheme". Natty (one who knows a vast LEFT wing conspiracy when he sees one) Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A lot of people want to vote for Nader and help the Green Party, but they don’t want Bush to win. It’s possible that votes for Nader in swing states will throw the election to Bush. There are two websites that help:    http://www.nadertrader.org    http://www.voteswap2000.com The idea is that a Gore supporter will vote for Nader in a state that is safe for Bush (like Texas) if a Nader supporter will vote for Gore in a swing state. That way, the Green Party gets the same popular vote, but Bush (it is hoped) is denied a victory. This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on.

Why? The greasy weasels in the RNC are running *pro Nader* ads in many of the swing states – kinda puts them in a bind if they try to make any noise about trading votes… /daytripper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A lot of people want to vote for Nader and help the Green Party, but they don’t want Bush to win. It’s possible that votes for Nader in swing states will throw the election to Bush. There are two websites that help:       http://www.nadertrader.org       http://www.voteswap2000.com The idea is that a Gore supporter will vote for Nader in a state that is safe for Bush (like Texas) if a Nader supporter will vote for Gore in a swing state. That way, the Green Party gets the same popular vote, but Bush (it is hoped) is denied a victory. This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on. Here’s what the Nader people have to say about this From CNET: [That move drew criticism Saturday from Public Citizen, the umbrella group for consumer causes founded by Nader. It said the ads would mark "a new low" in the presidential campaign and "is designed to mislead voters." ] Interesting how the ultimate consumer/public advocate thinks this is something to mislead people.  I’ll borrow a favorite phrase of Al Gore’s and simply call it…"a risky scheme".

I’m afraid you’re wrong about this, Hawkeye. The criticism from Public Citizen was directed at the Bush campaign for using footage of Nader attacking Gore in their ads, in an obvious attempt to swing Gore support to Nader. I think this is actually a pretty low-down trick, but it’s probably legal. It may backfire. The websites I posted are actually being created and promoted by pro-Nader people (who don’t want Bush to win). I don’t know what the Nader ccampaign’s official position is. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Instead of bitching, perhaps you might go fishing for a while, chill, Anyone who went fishing in the Northeast this weekend definitely chilled. Brrrrr! George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

I had to clean the snow off my truck before I went to the store!                                  Mike

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This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on. Why? The greasy weasels in the RNC are running *pro Nader* ads in many of the swing states – kinda puts them in a bind if they try to make any noise about trading votes…

C’mon, Tripper. Get real. Since when has hypocrisy prevented the Republicans from complaining about something? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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____  I smoked the fish but I didn’t inhale. — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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I’m afraid you’re wrong about this, Hawkeye. The criticism from Public Citizen was directed at the Bush campaign for using footage of Nader attacking Gore in their ads, in an obvious attempt to swing Gore support to Nader. I think this is actually a pretty low-down trick, but it’s probably legal. It may backfire. The websites I posted are actually being created and promoted by pro-Nader people (who don’t want Bush to win). I don’t know what the Nader ccampaign’s official position is.

When I’m wrong, I admit it…I’m wrong and you are right RW.  Shame on me for employing a "speed read" on the cnet article.  After giving it a second read I see the reference to the Bush /Nader ads. I agree it is a strategy that could very well backfire on GW.  As for it’s legality, I would think the vote swapping thing, if it’s highly organized would have a much better chance at raising some legal eyebrows than simply running ads for another candidate. I really can’t wait until this election is over.  Between fuzzy math, Tammy Fae Baker makeup, ice-tea drinking at Budhist temples, the whole American political process is a freak show.  Besides, I’m a man without a candidate. Natty (looking to pull the lever for the Libertarian candidate….for once) Before you buy.

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Why don’t you fucking people stop the fucking election bull shit, left or right, and get back to fly fishing. Joel Axelrad

Good idea Joel. You start. Haven’t seen any posts from you lately, fishing or otherwise. Willi

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Since when has hypocrisy prevented the Republicans from complaining about something?

Seems to me the dems are guilty of some hypocrisy as well.  Al Gore goes campaigning in the south talking about how he grew and harvested tobacco, then gets on the bandwagon to put the tobacco companies out of business.  Bill Clinton said "I pledge to run the most ethical administration in this nations history"….well, I don’t think I have to expand on that one.  And of course, Bill didn’t inhale which makes him either really stupid or just a liar….you decide. My point is that they are all hypocrits.  If you’re lucky enough to identify with one or two key issues shared with a candidate then cast your vote and hope they don’t pull a fast one on you. For me, I could never vote for Gore, a man who thinks the answer to any issue is a government program or handout.  A man who would re-write the 2nd amendment to read "..the right of the people to keep and bear a hunting rifle as long as said rifle is single shot, non-scoped, government approved and stored at the local law enforcement agency".  No, I don’t believe what dems try to spin to us….that republicans want to poison the air and water, throw our seniors into the streets and starve all the schoolchildren. It’s fuzzy politics (a little GW lingo there). Am I crazy about GW?  No way.  But if I had to choose between Al Gore and GW, I’ll take GW.  I recall a speech given by a democrat who said "…ask not what your country can do for you….". I think the democratic party has gotten away from where he was trying to take it. Just my .02 and I can almost feel the flames coming already. Natty (enjoying my access to the Al Gore created internet) Before you buy.

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\ Why don’t you fucking people stop the fucking election bull shit, left or right, and get back to fly fishing. \

Because trout are more sensitive to environmental changes than bullhead or carp are. -Muskie

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 If in doubt, vote for the brighter man. That would be Al Gore. -Muskie

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Since when has hypocrisy prevented the Republicans from complaining about something? Seems to me the dems are guilty of some hypocrisy as well.  

Hypocrisy is endemic to politics. I have no doubt that Democratic politicians are often guilty of hypocrisy. The thing is, though, that the Republicans have raised it to an art form in recent years. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Seems to me the dems are guilty of some hypocrisy as well.  Al Gore goes campaigning in the south talking about how he grew and harvested tobacco, then gets on the bandwagon to put the tobacco companies out of business.

<balanced snipped for brevity Excellent post, Natty…..My feelings exactly. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A lot of people want to vote for Nader and help the Green Party, but they don’t want Bush to win. It’s possible that votes for Nader in swing states will throw the election to Bush. There are two websites that help: http://www.nadertrader.org http://www.voteswap2000.com The idea is that a Gore supporter will vote for Nader in a state that is safe for Bush (like Texas) if a Nader supporter will vote for Gore in a swing state. That way, the Green Party gets the same popular vote, but Bush (it is hoped) is denied a victory. This is going to get very interesting. I’ll bet the Bush campaign is going to go ballistic over this if it catches on. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

Is not bartering a form of sale? Is it not illegal to sell your vote? Besides I expect all those dead people in Miami to vote again like in 62. I expect if GW wins, the lights in Washington will dim from the overload caused by massive paper shredder use.

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Is not bartering a form of sale? Is it not illegal to sell your vote?

There’s no barter involved. No one is selling a vote. It’s purely voluntary arrangement, based on trust, — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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 The thing is, though, that the Republicans have raised it to an art form in recent years. —

 Well hell yes ,why not ? they’ve had Bill Clinton to study and learn from for eight years. Bob-reluctantly Republican Before you buy.

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Seems to me the dems are guilty of some hypocrisy as well.  Al Gore goes campaigning in the south talking about how he grew and harvested tobacco, then gets on the bandwagon to put the tobacco companies out of business.

How is that hypocrisy? When Gore was young the dangers of tobacco were not known and growing tobacco was a perfectly honorable way to make a living. Things are different now. There are plenty of examples of hypocrisy on both sides but this is not one of them. Peter G. Aitken

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How is that hypocrisy? When Gore was young the dangers of tobacco were not known and growing tobacco was a perfectly honorable way to make a living.

The Surgeon General’s report on the dangers of smoking was released in 1964. Gore would have been in his teens. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems to me the dems are guilty of some hypocrisy as well.  Al Gore goes campaigning in the south talking about how he grew and harvested tobacco, then gets on the bandwagon to put the tobacco companies out of business. How is that hypocrisy? When Gore was young the dangers of tobacco were not known and growing tobacco was a perfectly honorable way to make a living. Things are different now. There are plenty of examples of hypocrisy on both sides but this is not one of them. Peter G. Aitken

Gore was bragging to tobacco farmers in his home state when he was running for office that he " planted it, weeded it, picked it, cured it and sold it just like the rest of ya ", while at the same time his own sister was dying from smoking related cancer. Of coures after his sister died he saw a GREAT opportunity to use her death for political gain so after he was safely elected to the senate and running for president (1988) he gave his " sitting at my sisters death bed I vowed to fight against the tobacco industry with ever fiber of my being " speech. Just a few VERY SHORT years after his " I’m a PROUD tobacco farmer". Of course when he was running for office in Tennessee he was pro life, pro gun and pro tobacco. That’s what he needed to be to get elected. When he began running for the White House he became what he thought he needed to be to win, pro abortion, anti gun and anti tobacco. The guy is a bigger snake than Bill Clinton ever dreamed of being. I don’t know what kind of president G.W.B will make, you never know till they actually land the job. But I do know what kind of pres. Gore would be and I don’t want four years of him in the White House. Clintons main concern was his dick and looking for a legacy. Gore is a "crusader" with alot of bad ideas. He scares me "big time". Bob Before you buy.

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You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters:  I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley.  "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops.  I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it.  Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it.  I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb.  Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have.  After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon.  They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards.  When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction.  (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…)  I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something.  Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300.  Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters:  If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites.  Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity.  Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me.  In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight.  He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin

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Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Seems that way, doesn’t it?  But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size.  Here’s the real kicker:  No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory.  The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in.  Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share.  (I remember hearing the nurse saying, "Well, what exactly is your plan if you get a snakebite patient, anyway?"  Apparently the plan is to get you stabilized and put you on a one-way chopper to somewhere else.) Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Seems that way, doesn’t it?  But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size.  Here’s the real kicker:  No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory.  The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in.  Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share.  (I remember

Count yourself luck that you didn’t lose your thumb. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well.  Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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It’s a horrible disease, with a horrible treatment. Where was this Harry?  Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well.  Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all? Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters:  I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley.  "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops.  I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it.  Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it.  I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb.  Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have.  After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon.  They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards.  When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction.  (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…)  I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something.  Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300.  Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters:  If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites.  Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity.  Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me.  In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight.  He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4

Damn! Convinced me! I’m taking that off my to do list right away.<G

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The Idaho pan handle in the mid eighties, I mailed him for the specifics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where was this Harry?  Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid.

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son

What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff

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Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all?

Some people would do anything to win–a Darwin award. :=) Bill

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 This has changed then. In 69 when I was bitten the treatment consisted of one injection per day for 14 days.I am now only required to get a booster if bitten by an animal considered rabid. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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he got scratched by a racoon that was ~suspected~ of being rabit. The racoon was in the process of killing his easter chicken. Caution being the better part of valor and rabies being rampant in racoons in New England now, he got shots. He didn’t like it. The insurance company didn’t like it, I didn’t care for what was left over either but I’m glad he’s still about. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward.

Sounds like the bug up your ass is biting you.  I won’t hazard a guess as to whether you deserve it or not. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.

From something I read once, the statistics are markedly different by gender. It seems that it’s mostly men who insist on picking them up and get bit on the hands & arms.   Most snake bites on women are on the feet & legs. Joe F.

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Snake Venom… Chlorine for the gene pool

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward.

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i will be near the home of orvis next weekend and don’t have much of a clue. whats a good way to get started ? instructions? or just wing it?   P.S. what flies should I use if i wing it?

Mark, Good questions.  How quickly do you learn? quick….then you can probably just wing it…if not then maybe lessons are not a bad idea.  Most folks benefit from a lesson….reading a book like the LL Bean Fly Fishing Handbook by Whitlock would help. If you are more visually inclined then maybe the Jack Dennis video is better for you. Flies to use now include the elk hair caddis, prince nymphs, white millers, beadhead nymphs, and Adams dries.  This is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.  I am happy to answer any questions that may arise for you.  Best of luck. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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i will be near the home of orvis next weekend and don’t have much of a clue. whats a good way to get started ? instructions? or just wing it?    P.S. what flies should I use if i wing it?

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ZAKANY wrote Since your lawn is new, I would caution against using any weed killer on it this year, or early next year. New lawns usually look poor the first year. For crabgrass, I prefer using a pre-emergent. Thus, I would have you wait to address the crabgrass for two years. Broadleaf weeds, however, can be taken care of about one year from now. Until then, water, overseed, and fertilize your grass/weed mixture.

I agree, especially on the point of giving a new lawn time to establish. Crab grass really don’t compete that much with a lawn–new or old. It comes from a problem or condition (such as being new) with the lawn itself. Occasionally, dry spots that develop in spring will be filled with crab grass by late summer. Yet, the next year, with more rain or better watering, the same spots will have no crab grass problems at all. I have never even bothered with a pre-emergent. Naturally, crab grass pops up here and there but it never takes over provided I have given the lawn reasonable care in the spring and early summer. Also, seeding new lawns in the fall is a good way of minimizing most any weed problems.   -Paul

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Keep on watering and mowing very regularly (and deeply on the watering.).   Put out some fresh grass seed just before watering if you remember it.  The lawn grass will outgrow the crabgrass and it’ll all look great in about a year, maybe two at most.  If you can handle it, mow every 5 days, whether it looks as if it needs it or not.  Most people seem to mow once a week, because it’s an easy way to remember when to do it, but 5 days is the best.  Even on a weekly mowing schedule, it’ll still look good way sooner than you’d think possible. Try to water once a week for about 6 to 8 hours at a time.  Helps the grasses put their roots way down and keeps them surviving hot and dry times. Don’t bother to pull the crabgrass.  For one thing, it’s helping hold the soil until the regular grasses can take over their rightful place. I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New England). Please help.  -Joe —– To reply by e-mail, remove the "XXX" from the above e-mail address.

"If I die of curiosity, who will entertain you with naive questions?"  I only answer my mail on an average of once every two months.  Be patient.  http://www.visi.com/~cyli/

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<<<I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed. <<  Crab grass seed is pervasive but doesn’t germinate easily under mulch or a healthy lawn.  In lawn you can stop most weed germination by applying a preemergent such as HALTS in the spring or kill adult (younger is better) crabgrass by spraying with a selective "Crabgrass Killer" product that won’t harm most other grasses. Since your lawn is new, I would caution against using any weed killer on it this year, or early next year. New lawns usually look poor the first year. For crabgrass, I prefer using a pre-emergent. Thus, I would have you wait to address the crabgrass for two years. Broadleaf weeds, however, can be taken care of about one year from now. Until then, water, overseed, and fertilize your grass/weed mixture. Mistakes are the Portals to Discovery…and Ridicule

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New  England).

  Crab grass seed is pervasive but doesn’t germinate easily under mulch or a healthy lawn.  In lawn you can stop most weed germination by applying a preemergent such as HALTS in the spring or kill adult (younger is better) crabgrass by spraying with a selective "Crabgrass Killer" product that won’t harm most other grasses. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New  England). Please help.  -Joe —– To reply by e-mail, remove the "XXX" from the above e-mail address.

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New England). Please help.  -Joe

Joe, I hate to have you go through all of that work again, but this would be my suggestion. Till up the "lawn" again.  Then water it very good.  Let the weeds and crabgrass grow for a week or two, then till again.  Water heavily and let it grow for another week or two.  Then till again.  I would suggest repeating this process until late august/early september when the temperatures start to break.  The idea is to bring up as many of the weed seeds as possible, let them germinate and then kill them by tilling them up.   If the area is small you might even want to try soil solorization seperately or in conjunction with the tilling.  Just lay down clear plastic sheeting over the area that was tilled and/or  watered heavily. The high heat and moisture under the sheeting will help the weed seeds germinate more quickly and then will burn them out with the intense heat and sunlight.  This is really only good if you are going to have some nice sunny, warm weather in the near future. A day or so after the last tilling rake out all of the dead stuff that you can get out.  You may wish to do this after every tilling before watering again, but it will probably depend upon how much time you have.  Once you have raked out all of the debris possible, grade the lawn and reseed with a good disease resistant grass seed mix (try to find a hybrid name not a common grass seed).  Use Kentucky Bluegrass and/or Perennial Rye for sunny areas and Fine Fescue for shaded areas. You may want to topdress the lawn with some good topsoil and then fertilizer with a good organic fertilizer.  I use a liquid seaweed and fish emulsion mix which is good as a foliar feed or as a soil prep. Keep the grass watered well for the next couple of weeks.  Make sure that the soil is moist most of the time, but no puddles.  Once the lawn begins to establish itself (after a few weeks), begin watering more deeply and less often.  This will encourage deeper root growth which will help the plant withstand the first frosts. In the spring cut your lawn once before it even turns green.  Just take off the very tips of the blades.  Then wait until the lawn is of regular mowing height before cutting again.  This will encourage an early start and will help you beat the weeds.  Mow the lawn long (about 2 1/2 to 3 inches).  This will help shade the ground and keep many weed seeds from germinating in the first place.  Then make sure to bag your lawn clippings when any weeds that may pop up begin to go to seed.  This will prevent these seeds from being a nuisance later. I recommend overseeding the lawn each fall for a few years.  This, along with organic mowing methods described above and a good organic fertilizer program will eventually crowd out your weeds and provide for a nice, thick turf. Regards, Michael Kaufman Organic Lawncare Specialist <http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/klawncare/welcome.htm "Organic Fertilizer and Other Products / ‘FREE’ Organic Lawncare Tips"

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New  England). Please help.  -Joe —– To reply by e-mail, remove the "XXX" from the above e-mail address.

Hi Joe.  I’d suggest you contact the U of RI Cooperative Extension office nearest you.  Try to get their publication(s) on turf grasses. They should have them–most states do.  Then follow directions, consulting an extension agent if necessary.  They are very helpful ordinarily.  John Reiner

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing?   A smart brunette

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Stereotypes. They’re funny in every direction.  The subject says what it was, if you don’t want to read it, then don’t, if you do, don’t piss and moan. Take responsibility for your actions. Bob

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette

You could always bleach ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Hooks down to size 60!

For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick catch fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

28’s are an absolute extreme.  There are, however, small midges which are about this size.  A sz. 24 or 26 should be able to catch fish feeding on such bugs, however.  26’s are used for Trico spinner falls here, and 28’s are used late in the year.  The Trico’s themselves are acutually sz. 24’s.  The theory is that the wing material in the 24’s and even 26’s gets bent-back because it is limp and flexable enough that it’s length allows this.  On a sz. 28 and 26, the wing material is shorter so the "bent" wing is lessened.  This is true on fished-over trout. Jason Beary

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

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Hooks down to size 60! For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@  "See Dick fly-fish.   See Dick catch fish.   See Dick kill fish."      DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@

Can anyone see a size 60! Peter

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette You could always bleach ?

No good will become a fellow who longs after bleached things. Humble manner… Close shave every Thursday… Spinolio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G. According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

In Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary "Unabridged" that is SIX INCHES THICK and printed from 1904 – 1953-4 the word GINK is not listed Charlie.  However; in The Century Dictionary AN ENCYCLOoPEDIC LEXICON OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE copyrighted in 1889, it is listed and referred to as a word of antiquity that is seldom if ever used.  The definitions that I posted are accurrate and are the original historical story of the word ‘gink’ which this works explains of all words.  When first recorded as used . . . several examples how to use the words, etc. Webster, in this case is totally incorrect.  In fact, the word ‘gink’ had not been used in any known literature or newspapers world-wide for a long time.  Attesting to how remote it had been removed from the English language and the use thereof.  You just don’t hear people going around and referring to an endearing gentleman today ans a fine gink of a man. You don’t hear fishermen referring to baby salmon as gink salmon but smolt instead . . . anymore.  My spin on the word in naming Gehrke’s Gink was to revive the word to mean a product that is used by "Good Fishermen" or literally, "Good Gentlemen".  In fact, the name Gehrke’s Gink was so odd at the time of its introduction that anything with a name as crazy as this one . . ."I just have to try it once, has to be good," is what helped endear this world’s best product to a public that at the time didn’t have a dry fly dressing that worked and which was chemically safe.  But that is another story. I love the word GINK!  It is a fun word and I can assure you Charlie, no where in human history in the finest libraries I have been in, does any demeaning definitions of the word occur, until in the most recent times when hundreds of people now have what they think are literally hundreds of differnt meanings . . . because they are putting ‘their spin on the word.’  It is a strange sounding word to the ear, for one thing.  But any old Dictionary Brittanica Encyclopedia has the original meanings still intact.  In fact, just the word ‘Salmo or Salmon’ can cover nearly a thousand words in such a set just explaining Salmon.  GINK are indeed baby smolt, or salmon Charlie.  I’ve been studying this word for over 25 years.  There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge. The spring salmon are starting to move up the Snake here and the little ginks will soon be searching, once again, the callings of the sea. From one good old Gink to another fine Gink, I remain, Sincerely, Mr. Gink George Gehrke Your friend

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  

At 53 years of age I like to stop at a #20 hook and just try to get the body of the fly a little smaller. On the last week of the 96 season we caught some medium size trout on # 3 weight outfits with 7x tippet and #20 flies. This is about my limit. I know that others go much further down the scale and it is just OK with me. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

You’re absolutely correct Nancy.  Please accept this sincere apology. OBROFF: This blond is standing in a creek with some hipboots on and holding a flyrod, whipping it back and forth with obvious growing anxiety… Along comes our friend, Dan Gracia, who…in a very gentlemanly and professional tone asks what the problem is… "I can’t catch any flies", answers our Platinum Pflueger Pflogger. "I think I see your problem", says Dan who reaches into the reel, pulls out the tippet and begins threading it through the guides… "Do you have any flies ?", he asks her "I told you already, I couldn’t catch any…." — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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<snip There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge.

I am not a scholar of the word GINK, that is true<g. You may want to check out http://liberty.uc.wlu.edu/~hblackme/oed/gink.html which lists some annotated uses of the word gink from 1910 to 1970. I found it by doing a web search on the word ‘gink’. There’s more stuff out there as well. FWIW. Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

Hmmm…why a blond girl?

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out." Told ya. Bob

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end? I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

     Takes a blonde to know a blonde.                                    Harv

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: I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & : his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I : asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size : is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." : Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made : that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend : make them up for me." I used to have some 32’s around – looked like little bronze shavings brushed out of a file. It’s probable that the guy was pulling your leg, but who knows – there may well be some asshole out there selling 40’s by now. Regrettably, I can’t follow a 22 dry in rough water, so doubt that I could even guess where a 40 actually was ;-^) — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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I must say that some of you have really helped me out with my quest for a lightweight outfit.Am now searching for local suppliers of these makes of rod etc,to get an idea of what to go for.Thanks. However,the U.K and U.S must be at cross-purposes when it comes to hook sizes. Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s. Is this U.S size 28? How do you tie flys on hooks this size,I struggle on 22`s?? Are you using ultra light tippets. I thought i fished light with 18-22`s 1.5 pound tippet(Seems not)!! — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

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I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." Helpful guy!!! Willi

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me."

No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course).   There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus.   Where will it end?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end?

I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

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Can anyone reccomend a good guide/outfitter near Marathon Key?  We will be there in January and are just frothing at the mouth to wet a fly.

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Try calling Tim Carlisle in Sugarloaf Key.  He can be reached at TJ’s Sugar Shack in Sugarloaf.  The number is listed in information (305 area code).  Sorry I don’t have my phone book with me.  You can also rent a boat at TJ’s and do it yourself.    If you are brave of heart, and a very good fly-fishing angler then call Lenny Moffo.  You can reach him through SEA BOOTS OUTFITTERS.  Tell them that I recomended Lenny but be prepared to have a hard day of fishing if you are not at the top of your game.  Lenny is a cantancorous (sp?) prick but he will put you on more fish than any other guide in the Keys or Everglades. Good luck! Ralph Curd

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Gil drake and Jose Wejebe call information for the florida keys I think there both in key west. Mark Gervase

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The Keys guides I have most enjoyed fishing with:         1) Bob Trosset in Key West (1-305-294-5801, I think)         3. Tom DeMoss in Islamorada  (1-305-852-9359)         Trosset is one of the deservedly famous flats guides, so he’s hard to book, but it’s always worth a call, in case he has a cancellation. Cutchin is less well known, but also heavily booked. I booked DeMoss on short notice through the concierge at Cheeca Lodge.         Besides being good guides who will put you into fish and make you a better fisherman than you would be without them (which is what guiding is supposed to be all about), these three guys are also fun to fish with. Some famous guides are so unpleasant and irascible, I wouldn’t fish them even if they paid me instead of the usual arrangement! Book one of the three above, and you will have a fine day on the water, even if the wind is blowing hard from the northeast and the fish have lockjaw. — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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I promised to take my mother flyfishing for a day. Since she has a touch of arthritis, and can’t storm around a rocky streambed too well, I’m looking for a half day float trip somewhere within striking distance of Washington, D.C. Preferably trout,  smallmouth bass okay too. Heard there was a place on the Jackson River in VA. A bed and breakfast with drift boats launched from the front lawn. Anybody know of it? please send a copy of your reply to me at

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I’ve driven past a Bed and Breakfast that has property right on the Upper Jackson and their pamplet said "fishing available". Its off of 39, west of Warm Springs..If you’re interested, I’ll post the name and phone number of the place the next time I’m over at our guide shop….Ron Bennett Flyfishing Virginia L.L.C.  804 467-6668 "Guide service for trout and smallmouth"

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great float trips on Pine Creek in Northcentral PA,…excellent gourmet restuarant and lodge at Cedar Run–Cedar Run Inn

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Unless they have been getting some rain, might be alot of dragging over rocks in Pine Creek by now.  It is a pretty float. Cedar Run Inn is pretty busy in weekends, may be hard to get reservation.                                       regards leo

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I am interested in any information you may have about Fly-Fishing in South America. I often travel to Brazil, Argentina, and Chile on business.  I am interested in finding some nice trout or Salmon streams in these countries. I look forward to your response. John — John Oren Export Specialist Grand Rapids, MI Compuserve:71542,1773

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<I am interested in any information you may have about Fly-Fishing in South America. I often travel to Brazil, Argentina, and Chile on business.  I am interested in finding some nice trout or Salmon streams in these countries. I was born and raised in Chile and lived in the southern part of Chile for many years.  Am very familiar with the fishing in Tierra del Fuego and the Punta Arenas region.  Also have friends accross Chile that could hook you up with some great fishing situations. Would be more than happy to answer any questions you might have about fishing in Chile.                                              MARCOS VERGARA

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: I am interested in any information you may have about Fly-Fishing in : . . . : John Oren         I’m a proud chilean fly angler, and at this moment, our trout season has just started (1 month ago). Chile has a lot to offer in trout streams and lakes. Most of the best fishing spots are located some 1000km south from Santiago (Pto. Montt).         A little information on places:         * Pto. Montt and its sourroundings. Pto Montt is located some 1000 Km south from Santiago (where I live). It’s about 12 hours in a very comfortable bus (U$60 round trip) or 2 hours by plane on a U$130 round trip. You can take different buses from Pto. Montt that take you to the most famous (and overcrowded) fishing spots. You can rent a car paying something equivalent to U$250 week. A short distance from this city there is:                 – Rio Puelo (100Km South from Pto.Montt). Excellent rainbow and brown trouts averaging 4 pounds (and more). You can take a guided tour contacting "TROUT" (daily rate: U$200)(see info below).                 – Rio Petrohue (40km south from Pto Montt). Abundant rainbows and browns.                 – Rio Negro (Hornopiren, located 120km south P.M.). The same.                 – Rio Pescado ("Fish river", 40km west P.M.) a little overcrowded but still with lots of rainbows, browns, atlantic Salmon.                 – Rio Petrohue Spring Creek (private). This is managed only for  catch & release fly fishing, by a Fly Fishing Shop in Santiago They offer daily guided tours, starting from Ensenada (small town, 50km from P.M.) and ending at same place. You can find excellent and cheap hotels (more like Guest Houses or Motels). The daily rate is U$120, including transportation from & to Ensenada, lunch, guide (every 2 anglers), and lots of trouts. Info on:     "TROUT",                                  Alonso de Cordova 4060,                                  Santiago CHILE . . . Phone:208 0237.         * Pta. Arenas and sourroundings. About 2500 Km south from Santiago. Ussually cheaper and better to make the trip by bus to Pto. Montt and take a round trip airplane ticket to Punta Arenas for about U$120 (just the plane). Round airplane trip from Stgo. is U$370. This is the southern most city of the world. From there you can reach:         – Rio Serrano (Torres del Paine National Park) : where you can catch Rainbows, Browns and even Steelheads averaging 6 or 7 pounds. Additionally I think the park is the most beautiful part of the world I know. (Located 4 hrs. by car from Pto. Natales, which is some 180 miles north from Pta. Arenas). There are many buses that make the trip (U$20 round) from Pta. Arenas to Pto. Natales. And you can rent a car, or take a small bus to the Park.         – Rio Penitentes : filled of aggressive 2 pound brown trouts (Located half way from Pta. Arenas to Pto. Natales).         – Rio San Juan: 40 miles south of Pta. Arenas which it’s been known to produce good rainbows and a couple of 16 more pounders every summer.         – Rio Grande, Isla Riesco: incredible Rainbow river, 100 miles north east of Pta. Arenas.         – Laguna Parrillar: located 35 miles south-west of Pta. Arenas, which forms a forest reserve and where I caught nearly 20 trouts in 3 days. Most of the trouts I caught were spawning 3/4-pounds Brook Trouts. I also caught a few 4 pound Browns and incredibly jumping rainbows.         – I also heard about:                 + Laguna Sofia: good 4 (and more) pound Rainbows,                 + Rio Condor, Tierra del Fuego: also known for producing many Rainbows over 12 pounds (I think tou can catch some Chinook or Coho too).                 + Lago Blanco, Tierra del Fuego: where a common angler can catch 10 or 15 trouts averaging 5 or 6 pounds in a day.                 + Rio Grande, Tierra del Fuego: sea-run browns, salmon, etc.                 + many, many more . . .

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Hi. I have no info on your request, but have a similar request re: Tierra del Fuego.A friend requested  help about this area. Here is his message. I am collecting information about destinations/guides/place to stay/etc,while doing some flyfishing and gold prospecting in Tierra del Fuego. My buddy and I are experienced placer gold prospectors and would like to work some rivers there, as well as the beach deposits ( a source with which we have no experience, but are eager to attempt). To relax, we expect to cast some flies to the wily sea-run brown trout.We plan to camp and stay at hotels, but don’t want to pay for the fishing lodge scene. Nonetheless, we would like to find qualified guides for both fishing and propecting. If renting a 4-wheel-drive vehicle is possible, we would like to do some work in remote areas as we make our way from Ushuaia to Punta Arenas. We have considered taking in the Festival du Trucha in Rio Grande, if that is worth the effort.Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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