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Two more: 1.  This is not the USenet.  Through the magic of modern technology, people from all over the world can and do post.  Remember this, and try to respect it.  Likely as not, your understanding of French, German, Dutch, whatever is likely not as good as their understanding of English, and in many cases, YOUR English is not as good as their English. 2.  Spell-flame at your own risk.  Yes, we all do it sometimes.  Many drink too much and neither is liable to result in a good feeling. I have found that when I use a "mean" spellflame, I usually spell "cat" with a "k", "moron" with an "e" and spell "spell" with either 1 or 3 "L"s. Picky grammar flames usually come out, "Didt you learn nothing in skool?", but YMMV.  This is not to say a good-natured ribbing re: a humorous tendency to er, lapse is bad, just be careful.  Personally, I don’t like spellcheckers, but again, YMMV. TC, R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome.  What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in.  I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ. <_excellent newbie advise, (and good advise for all posters), snipped Great post; I’m keeping it for future reference.  Here’s a very old newbie usenet lyric.  It’s been around since at least the late 80’s.  Every couple of years I have occasion to post it again.  Enjoy! The Newbie’s Song (Based on the Major General’s song from "The Pirates of Penzance", Gilbert & Sullivan).

Tee Heeeeeeee….yup, purdy damn funny…… TC, R Cheers, and tight lines,

CLINK, thank ya, and back at ya… -Mark

This bring to mind something I forgot.  An addition to my original post: I don’t care WHAT the LookOut Distress manual says, HTML and MIME are not welcome on much of USENET…

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This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome.  What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in.  I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ.

<_excellent newbie advise, (and good advise for all posters), snipped Great post; I’m keeping it for future reference.  Here’s a very old newbie usenet lyric.  It’s been around since at least the late 80’s.  Every couple of years I have occasion to post it again.  Enjoy! The Newbie’s Song (Based on the Major General’s song from "The Pirates of Penzance", Gilbert & Sullivan). I am the very model of a Usenet individual, I’ve information meaningless and ultimately trivial, I know the basic elements of alien biology, And all the hidden secrets of the Church of Scientology, I’ve seen "The Wrath of Khan" and every Star Trek film that followed it, I moan about my Servicecard and how the cash till swallowed it, About the laws on handguns I am sending off a counterblast, With many cheerful facts about the way you can MAKE MONEY FAST! ALL:       With many cheerful facts, etc. I’ll tell you why the Japanese are taking over Panama, And why the USA is still a better place than Canada, In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, I am the very model of a Usenet individual. ALL:    In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial,           He is the very model of a Usenet individual. I post in alt.revisionism lies about the Holocaust, I cut my .sig to twenty lines, I didn’t want to, I was forced, I really can’t believe the "Good Times" virus to be mythical, And Clinton’s raising taxes which is, frankly, bloody typical, I’ve upset several people on alt.flame, I really don’t know how, And sent a thousand business cards to Mr. and Mrs. Shergold now, I have a very poor grip of political geography, And absolutely no involvement (yet!) in child poronography, ALL:      And absolutely no involement, etc. I’ve paid two-fifty dollars for the Nieman-Marcus recipe, And told the Spanish tourist’s tale about the toothbrush pessary, In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, I am the very model of a Usenet individual. ALL:    In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial,           He is the very model of a Usenet individual. In fact, when I know what is meant by "binary" and "FTP", When I know how to decode porno JPEGs from a .uue, When I can handle HTML, Telnet, mail and IRC, And when I know the words initialised to form "http", When I have learnt what topics are acceptable in talk.bizarre, When I know more of Usenet than the tailpipe of a motor-car,                - In short, when I’ve a smattering of elementary netiquette, You’ll say a better individual has never surfed the Net. ALL:      You’ll say a better individual, etc. For my technical experience, although I claim to know it all Could barely serve to run the installation disk from AOL; But still, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, I am the very model of a Usenet individual. ALL:    But still, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial,           He is the very model of a Usenet individual. Cheers, and tight lines, -Mark

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To bad this post can’t be the first message anyone gets when they – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome.  What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in.  I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ. 1.  Show some level of brain activity: BAD post:  "I live near water.  What do I need?" Good Post: "I live near the xxxxxx River in xxxxxx, xx.  It contains xxxxxxx.  I’d like to spend around xxx.xx.  Any suggestions?"  If you intend on staying awhile, give a short bio, perhaps.  You don’t have to tell the world intimate details, but the basics are nice. 2.  Show a high level of good manners: BP:  "You morons need to just discuss fishing, dammit" (Likely answer: "Piss off, you rude newbie") GP:  "I noticed there seems to be a high level of non-fishing threads. Is this normal?" (Likely answer:  "<G  Yep.  If friends might discuss it while going to fish, fishing, after fishing, or going home from fishing, it will likely get discussed on ROFF.  And it will almost certainly stay that way.") 3.  NEVER be afraid to ask a question, considering the above and below. BP:  "I saw a great pattern for my water in a shop 500 miles away, but I was too cheap to spend 1.00 on it.  It was called a blue or maybe a green something or another.  Can any of you so-called experts tell how to tie it, and NOW, dammit." GP:  "I screwed up.  I saw a pattern that I think would be good on my water, and didn’t buy it.  I fish for xxxxx at xxxxxx, and this fly had, best as I remember, xxxxx body, xxxxx tail, etc.  Does this click with anyone?  Any help appreciated." 4.  This isn’t "the Internet," it is USENET, and, as far as you’re concerned, nobody "runs" it.  Trying to run it by issuing "directives" to ROFFians shows how little you know about it.  Further, while suggestions are generally welcome or at least tolerated, orders, edicts, and commands are generally met with, er, scorn, especially from "WebTV’ers" and unknown "aol’ers." BP:  "You people need to just discuss fly-fishing.  Joe Blow called me a name and I’m reporting him.  What you people need is a moderator, and I am the one you need.  Do it my way, or else." GP:  "I can’t take it, I’m leaving." 5.  If you want to dish it out, be ready to take it, and be careful here.  ROFF is full of smart people with a wide body of knowledge, and you will regret expecting to "win." BP:  "fuk ewe, you stoopid as i knew moore abut fishin whenn i was borned the n youll everr no.  quit tesing me because im a geenis and no it all.  as shakespeer said, i dont wrassel all day on st crispys battlefield, so look out when you mess with me."   GP:  "Your momma wears combat boots…" 6.  Use care with "profanity."  While there are no (well, none identified) swooning maidens with virgin ears who will be shocked, directed profanity will likely not get a good response.  A _suggested_ rule of thumb, if the word "you" is involved, don’t do it… BP:  "Fuck you," "You asshole," "You prick," etc. GP:  "I disagree," "WHAT?!," "You gotta be kidding," A note: I realize this seems to border on "rules", but it just seems to be right.  I can’t explain it, and welcome any comments, but I still offer it as my opinion.  Also, never use the word "retarded" in describing someone or their ideas.  I can promise that will get you enemies you REALLY don’t want.  In fact, I suggest you learn to "set back" any timing adjustments you need to make. 7.  No question, with enough info to answer, and politely asked, is inapproriate. 8.  There are no rules. 9.  Try to use common sense.  We all slip up, but if you have NONE, and can’t rent, borrow, or steal some, ROFF might not be your place. 10.  Yes, it HAS been discussed before, but so what?  There is are sites, Deja News, www.deja.com, amongst others, that archives posts. Sometimes, it may be helpful to turn there first.  This might get you get needed info "right now." 11.  PETA sucks, but if you practice C and R, that will be respected, as long as you respect those who C and E.  IMO, C and K, if all you do is kill, is wrong (unless control is needed for a sound reason), but C and E is just the food chain in action. 12.  The "13th Floor" of ROFF. 13.  IMO, blatant, non-participating SPAMMERS are fair game for what they get, but use care in blasting them, and not offending others. 14.  Dive on in, welcome aboard. HTH? R

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This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome.  What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in.  I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ. 1.  Show some level of brain activity: BAD post:  "I live near water.  What do I need?" Good Post: "I live near the xxxxxx River in xxxxxx, xx.  It contains xxxxxxx.  I’d like to spend around xxx.xx.  Any suggestions?"  If you intend on staying awhile, give a short bio, perhaps.  You don’t have to tell the world intimate details, but the basics are nice. 2.  Show a high level of good manners: BP:  "You morons need to just discuss fishing, dammit" (Likely answer: "Piss off, you rude newbie") GP:  "I noticed there seems to be a high level of non-fishing threads. Is this normal?" (Likely answer:  "<G  Yep.  If friends might discuss it while going to fish, fishing, after fishing, or going home from fishing, it will likely get discussed on ROFF.  And it will almost certainly stay that way.") 3.  NEVER be afraid to ask a question, considering the above and below. BP:  "I saw a great pattern for my water in a shop 500 miles away, but I was too cheap to spend 1.00 on it.  It was called a blue or maybe a green something or another.  Can any of you so-called experts tell how to tie it, and NOW, dammit." GP:  "I screwed up.  I saw a pattern that I think would be good on my water, and didn’t buy it.  I fish for xxxxx at xxxxxx, and this fly had, best as I remember, xxxxx body, xxxxx tail, etc.  Does this click with anyone?  Any help appreciated." 4.  This isn’t "the Internet," it is USENET, and, as far as you’re concerned, nobody "runs" it.  Trying to run it by issuing "directives" to ROFFians shows how little you know about it.  Further, while suggestions are generally welcome or at least tolerated, orders, edicts, and commands are generally met with, er, scorn, especially from "WebTV’ers" and unknown "aol’ers." BP:  "You people need to just discuss fly-fishing.  Joe Blow called me a name and I’m reporting him.  What you people need is a moderator, and I am the one you need.  Do it my way, or else." GP:  "I can’t take it, I’m leaving." 5.  If you want to dish it out, be ready to take it, and be careful here.  ROFF is full of smart people with a wide body of knowledge, and you will regret expecting to "win." BP:  "fuk ewe, you stoopid as i knew moore abut fishin whenn i was borned the n youll everr no.  quit tesing me because im a geenis and no it all.  as shakespeer said, i dont wrassel all day on st crispys battlefield, so look out when you mess with me."   GP:  "Your momma wears combat boots…" 6.  Use care with "profanity."  While there are no (well, none identified) swooning maidens with virgin ears who will be shocked, directed profanity will likely not get a good response.  A _suggested_ rule of thumb, if the word "you" is involved, don’t do it… BP:  "Fuck you," "You asshole," "You prick," etc. GP:  "I disagree," "WHAT?!," "You gotta be kidding," A note: I realize this seems to border on "rules", but it just seems to be right.  I can’t explain it, and welcome any comments, but I still offer it as my opinion.  Also, never use the word "retarded" in describing someone or their ideas.  I can promise that will get you enemies you REALLY don’t want.  In fact, I suggest you learn to "set back" any timing adjustments you need to make. 7.  No question, with enough info to answer, and politely asked, is inapproriate. 8.  There are no rules. 9.  Try to use common sense.  We all slip up, but if you have NONE, and can’t rent, borrow, or steal some, ROFF might not be your place. 10.  Yes, it HAS been discussed before, but so what?  There is are sites, Deja News, www.deja.com, amongst others, that archives posts. Sometimes, it may be helpful to turn there first.  This might get you get needed info "right now." 11.  PETA sucks, but if you practice C and R, that will be respected, as long as you respect those who C and E.  IMO, C and K, if all you do is kill, is wrong (unless control is needed for a sound reason), but C and E is just the food chain in action. 12.  The "13th Floor" of ROFF. 13.  IMO, blatant, non-participating SPAMMERS are fair game for what they get, but use care in blasting them, and not offending others. 14.  Dive on in, welcome aboard. HTH? R

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Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

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Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

Downstream, IMHO. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

Bob, I don’t know that there’s a difinitive answer to your question, but I prefer to keep the staff on my upstream side. It simply feels more stable to me. George Adams

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Well Bob Rose, you got two different answers/opinions: <<Downstream, IMHO. <<Bob, I don’t know that there’s a difinitive answer to your question, but I prefer to keep the staff on my upstream side. It simply feels more stable to me. I favor the downstream, because as George says, "it simply feels more stable".  I can lean into it if need be and if I slip, it is down- stream from me so that I can get a better purchase if I lose it.   Having said this, I *have* used it up-stream, but in "kinder, gentler" water.  <g Dave L.

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Wading in difficult water takes planning. the important thing is to hold it in your right hand – if right handed, for the best grip – then keep the staff to the right side of your body. If the water flows from right to left and you are right handed . Putting the staff downstream will put it across your body – you can trip on it then. Wading very heavy water you’ll  want to lean into the wading staff for extra support as you move one foot – get a firm footing – move the other foot – get a firm footing and then move the staff. – you’ll be leaning into it downstream to minimize the force of the current. In such situations orient yourself downstream and crab walk side ways heading across and somehwat downstream.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

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Let’s make that three different answers/opinions Dave, I am right handed and prefer to keep the wading staff in my right hand at all times. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well Bob Rose, you got two different answers/opinions: <<Downstream, IMHO. <<Bob, I don’t know that there’s a difinitive answer to your question, but I prefer to keep the staff on my upstream side. It simply feels more stable to me. I favor the downstream, because as George says, "it simply feels more stable".  I can lean into it if need be and if I slip, it is down- stream from me so that I can get a better purchase if I lose it. Having said this, I *have* used it up-stream, but in "kinder, gentler" water.  <g Dave L.

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I favor the downstream, because as George says, "it simply feels more stable".  I can lean into it if need be and if I slip, it is down- stream from me so that I can get a better purchase if I lose it.   Having said this, I *have* used it up-stream, but in "kinder, gentler" water.  <g Dave L.

In heavy current, always downstream for balance no matter what the hand.  On rocky, uneven bottoms in slower water, the right hand for strength.  On sharply sloping bottoms (a.k.a. the wing dam,) down slope side.  I also use it to climb in and out of the water on steep banks (right hand.) Peter

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Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

Well, if you’re wading, the directions that mainly seem to matter are upstream and downstream. And, well, if through some herculean (‘fortenberrian?’) effort, you manage to fall upstream, you’re soon enough going to be headed downstream with that whole current thing going on. So, for me, it stands to reason, in lieu of exceptional circumstances, you’d pretty much want that baby sticking out on your downstream side. Can’t we all just get along? – sid

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Peter Charlles: <<I also use it to climb in and out of the water on steep banks (right hand.) And a machete in your left hand to cut through the mountain laurel.  <g Dave L.

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Hello Bob: Always put your staff up stream and be wary of wading down stream. Sometimes you can wade down current but find you cannot wade back up current. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

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My problem with a staff has always been what to do with the damn thing when I’m not using it — hang it over my back (it slips off), let it float (it bangs on rocks and tries to trip me). Always glad to have it when I need it though…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Bob: Always put your staff up stream and be wary of wading down stream. Sometimes you can wade down current but find you cannot wade back up current. Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

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_______  Wading Staff can be replaced with a Wading Cane.  These have a crook in the handle which can be draped over one arm, a shoulder or hooked into the top of a set of chest waders.   There is no such thing as the ‘carefree’ wading staff or cane.  But a wading cane does offer different ways to hang or carry them out of the way. Mr. G.

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<<My problem with a staff has always been what to do with the damn thing when I’m not using it — hang it over my back (it slips off), let it float (it bangs on rocks and tries to trip me). Always glad to have it when I need it though… I know a ffer who has wrapped and taped foam over the handle, and the staff floats harmlessly out of his way.  The  collapsable type are easy to fold up when not in use, but a pain to take the time to do so.  It’s a big trade-off — if you need it, you will have to put up with a little inconvenience.  In the water I fish, I can’t live without it.  <g Dave L.

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In heavy current, always downstream for balance no matter what the hand.

Crap! As soon as you lift the staff from the bottom, you’re toppled off balance by the current and away off downstream! Thrilling stuff, but not what you’re after. In really heavy current: lean INTO the stream; both hands on the pole if necessary. If you have to ’shoot the rapids’, best to do it feet forwards. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Tony,    That was  spoken like a man who has learned the art of wading fast water the hard way. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In heavy current, always downstream for balance no matter what the hand. Crap! As soon as you lift the staff from the bottom, you’re toppled off balance by the current and away off downstream! Thrilling stuff, but not what you’re after. In really heavy current: lean INTO the stream; both hands on the pole if necessary. If you have to ’shoot the rapids’, best to do it feet forwards. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I usually keep mine high up in the air flailing as I’m falling – usually in 1 foot or less of water.  Funny, I bought the thing so I wouldn’t fall in, but I have only fallen in when I’m using a staff. Maybe I’m less careful when using a staff? When I’m not falling I like to use it on both sides – the side opposite the foot I’m moving- and I push on the staff to balance back to that foot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

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Crap! As soon as you lift the staff from the bottom, you’re toppled off balance by the current and away off downstream! Thrilling stuff, but not what you’re after. In really heavy current: lean INTO the stream; both hands on the pole if necessary. If you have to ’shoot the rapids’, best to do it feet forwards. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

Some of us make sure our feet are planted before we lift our staffs. Peter

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Tony Deacon: Crap! As soon as you lift the staff from the bottom, you’re toppled off balance by the current and away off downstream! Thrilling stuff, but not what you’re after. In really heavy current: lean INTO the stream; both hands on the pole if necessary. If you have to ’shoot the rapids’, best to do it feet forwards. Tight Lines,

Crap back at ya, Tony.  <g  With it down stream you *are* leaning into the current, both hands on the pole if necessary.  You are pushing yourself into the current with it down-stream.  If the pole should slip up-stream, you’re gonna have a tuff time replanting it. Not so on a down stream plant.  Besides, as Peter has said, make sure you feet are planted before you lift the staff (regardless it is up or down-stream). Dave L.

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Tony Deacon: Crap! As soon as you lift the staff from the bottom, you’re toppled off balance by the current and away off downstream! Thrilling stuff, but not what you’re after. In really heavy current: lean INTO the stream; both hands on the pole if necessary. If you have to ’shoot the rapids’, best to do it feet forwards. Tight Lines, Crap back at ya, Tony.  <g  With it down stream you *are* leaning into the current, both hands on the pole if necessary.  

I read something not long ago about wading staff use and it made what seemed at the time to be a pretty good argument for upstream use. I’ll try to remember where I read it. — Charlie…

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Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording?

I can’t imagine it makes much difference so long as it keeps you right side up, but I use mine on the downstream side, usually. Joe F.

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Tony,   That was  spoken like a man who has learned the art of wading fast water the hard way.

You bet Ernie! I have ‘dan grade’ in falling in, which I’ve practised since an early age. It doesn’t bother me much (I swim like a fish) and sometimes I quite like the adventure. But as I get older, priorities change and I’m not quite so keen on a ducking in Scotland in February. Besides, fishing time is precious (and expensive) and I’ve better things to be doing than admiring the view as I float off towards Aberdeen or the Moray Firth. Back to topic: I use lead shot loaded ski poles as wading staffs, with an over shoulder lanyard attached to the TOP of the pole handle (where the wrist strap of a ski pole normally attaches). This way, the staff can ‘trail’ unobtrusively out-of-the-way when not needed. Wading staffs usually have the lanyard attached below the handle, which creates an irritating angle between lanyard and handle that catches the fly line/fences/bushes/gate bars, etc. I can catch up my staff easily without looking because the lanyard is exactly the right length: I just hook my thumb under the lanyard; push out my arm to full stretch and close my hand. The grip of the pole is always right there. I’ll say this again: in REALLY strong current, you need the full advantage of the triangular base formed by your feet and the wading staff, with the staff and your centre of gravity UPSTREAM of your feet. You should be leaning on the pole and INTO the current. Every placement of foot or staff has to be careful, but you can’t afford to dither. Once you lose it, it’s very hard to recover … and then you’re off sightseeing. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Tony,    Sounds like an effective outfit, thanks for the tips.  I might add that I find Cross Country Ski Poles are better to use for wading staffs because they are longer. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

<snip I use lead shot loaded ski poles as wading staffs, with an

over shoulder lanyard attached to the TOP of the pole handle (where the wrist strap of a ski pole normally attaches). This way, the staff can ‘trail’ unobtrusively out-of-the-way when not needed. Wading staffs usually have the lanyard attached below the handle, which creates an irritating angle between lanyard and handle that catches the fly line/fences/bushes/gate bars, etc. I can catch up my staff easily without looking because the lanyard is exactly the right length: I just hook my thumb under the lanyard; push out my arm to full stretch and close my hand. The grip of the pole is always right there. I’ll say this again: in REALLY strong current, you need the full advantage of the triangular base formed by your feet and the wading staff, with the staff and your centre of gravity UPSTREAM of your feet. You should be leaning on the pole and INTO the current. Every placement of foot or staff has to be careful, but you can’t afford to dither. Once you lose it, it’s very hard to recover … and then you’re off sightseeing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tony Deacon

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Tony,   Sounds like an effective outfit, thanks for the tips.  I might add that I find Cross Country Ski Poles are better to use for wading staffs because they are longer.

Yes, those are the ones I use too. TL, Tony Deacon

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Hello: Regarding the proper use of a Wading Staff: Based on users experiences, is the proper/best placement of the staff on the upstream or downstream side of the user when fording? Bob

Down stream side with a landyard long enought to just reach the handle of the staff.   I would buy old ski poles and pull the bottom gizmo off, then drill a hole in the handle for the landyard……it works great, and cheap. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Northern Colorado is a pretty big area, Are you coming from Ft. Collins or Steamboat or Rangely or what? The Poudre or Big Thomson rivers are good. A sixteen incher is a trophy and 12" is more common but there are a lot of them.  If you are going into the North Park area the North Platte river can be great and so can Delaney Buttes or Lake John. Small streams will also be good, you need to be more specific though, like I said it is a big area. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try the White river near Meeker. The largest rainbow I ever hooked was near downtown Meeker. Good luck. Could someone recomend a good trout stream or lake in the northern part of Colorado around the last part of this month?

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Going west out of Fort Collins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Northern Colorado is a pretty big area, Are you coming from Ft. Collins or Steamboat or Rangely or what? The Poudre or Big Thomson rivers are good. A sixteen incher is a trophy and 12" is more common but there are a lot of them.  If you are going into the North Park area the North Platte river can be great and so can Delaney Buttes or Lake John. Small streams will also be good, you need to be more specific though, like I said it is a big area. Try the White river near Meeker. The largest rainbow I ever hooked was near downtown Meeker. Good luck. Could someone recomend a good trout stream or lake in the northern part of Colorado around the last part of this month?

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Try the White river near Meeker. The largest rainbow I ever hooked was near downtown Meeker. Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could someone recomend a good trout stream or lake in the northern part of Colorado around the last part of this month?

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Could someone recomend a good trout stream or lake in the northern part of Colorado around the last part of this month?

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What can I expect in the way of fly fishing, the middle to last part of Sept. on the Poude river??

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September and October are my favorite months. No tourists, low clear water.  Be prepared to fish small stuff 18 and below. Cloudy days bring out some size 20 mayflies and midges are always on the menu. Weather throughout September is generally good. Have you fished the Poudre? Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What can I expect in the way of fly fishing, the middle to last part of Sept. on the Poude river??

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Hope the season is fishing well for all!  The long winter here in Minnesota is finally a memmory.  The fishing has been great.  Going to visit Mom who is now living in Nova Scotia, Canada.  How is the fly fishing there.  Mid August.  Striped bass?  Bluefish?  Salmon? Should I pack the fly gear or dust off the surf casting rig?  Any input would be great.  Any questions about Minn/ western Wisconsin? Good fishing!

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The best spot in Nova Scotia is the Margaree Valley, and they are having some trouble there. Last fall we stayed at the Big Intervale Salmon Camp, in Cape Breton Nova Scotia, and cannot say enough great things about it. Absolutely wonderful host…Bill Davison (mum is head chef), but not many bites. Bill is very knowledgeable about the situation in Nova Scotia and I would be glad to track down a number at the lodge for you…we have something around here somewhere…also check out the Saint Mary’s River area on the Eastern Shore of the province…and also what might be happening in New Brunswick… Hope the season is fishing well for all!  The long winter here in Minnesota is finally a memmory.  The fishing has been great.  Going to visit Mom who is now living in Nova Scotia, Canada.  How is the fly fishing there.  Mid August.  Striped bass?  Bluefish?  Salmon? Should I pack the fly gear or dust off the surf casting rig?  Any input would be great.  Any questions about Minn/ western Wisconsin? Good fishing!

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I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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Gary Gilman writes: I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

Go to www.google.com Type:  "fly fishing" + "british columbia" You will get thousands of hits – everything you could ever hope to know about BC and fly fishing.  hth BTW, you aren’t *that* Gary Gilman are you?   <G Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gary Gilman writes: I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide? Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks Go to www.google.com Type:  "fly fishing" + "british columbia" You will get thousands of hits – everything you could ever hope to know about BC and fly fishing.  hth BTW, you aren’t *that* Gary Gilman are you?   <G Dave

I hope you ain’t wonderin’ if he is *that* Gary Gilmore. Op

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I hope you ain’t wonderin’ if he is *that* Gary Gilmore.

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I’ve seen several very pretty little streams heading north past Whistler.  In particular, IIRC Birkenhead Creek looks very good and is supposed to be excellent late summer. One of the Whistler sites talk about fishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide?   Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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www.sportfishingbc.com has maps and all sorts of stuff you will find useful it is a government website enjoy…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve seen several very pretty little streams heading north past Whistler. In particular, IIRC Birkenhead Creek looks very good and is supposed to be excellent late summer. One of the Whistler sites talk about fishing. I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide? Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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http://www.sportfishingbc.com has maps and stocking info as well as water testsing stats all you should need to fish in bc enjoy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve seen several very pretty little streams heading north past Whistler. In particular, IIRC Birkenhead Creek looks very good and is supposed to be excellent late summer. One of the Whistler sites talk about fishing. I’m very interested in fly fishing smaller streams in British Columbia for trout, also some for steelhead on the coastal areas.  In general are the rivers and streams accessible by bank and do you have to have a guide? Is there a good Web site out there listing the streams and rivers? Thanks

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I am going to a place called "Ts’yl-os Park Lodge" this summer which is on Chilko Lake in B.C. You fly there from Vancouver. It has been run by the same family for 30 years and has very limited access. They have 12 miles of river and 2 mountain lakes. The fishing is supposed to be wonderful. The setting is supposed to be gorgeous. During the summer, large rainbows are supposed to be keyed into large dry flies, salmon in the fall. I had a friend tell me that he enjoyed it as much as Alaska. The price for a week of guided fishing including lodging and meals is $1,495 (US). The round trip plane from Vancouver is another $300. Their phone:604-398-4103. I would be interested in any other responses you get. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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I think that should be Sumallo Grove. It’s where the Sumallo River joins the Skagit. "freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock

That should be Skagit not Skeena. full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10!

Try a Hares Ear Nymph too. Brad

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Don’t fool around….take the Coquihalla and come to Kamloops.  From the city we have hundreds of lakes with Kamloops (rainbow) Trout. Check the www site http://www.netshop.net/Scouts/ for more information.  This is where they held the World Fly Fishing Championships in 1993….and as an avid FFF (Fly Fishing Fool) I sorry to say I will not be able to fish all the lakes in this area if I had 2 lifetimes to do it. Let me know if you decide to come into this area, and I will advsie as to fly’s etc. Tight Lines, Ken —— — K.W. (Ken) Martens, A.H.C. Kamloops, BC  Canada Member of the Door Hardware Institute

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Vancouver.  Just go up the "freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10!

It’s Sumallo and has nothing to do with the Skeena watershed.  It actually flows into the Skagit River.   If they can get to Vancouver Island there is a big run of Pink Salmon.  The closest river is the Oyster.  There will be Coho in Tofino that are fun to catch on a fly. For a list of flyshops that you can call or visit check out my Flyfishing pages.   Roy

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Hi Roy…..I’m heading to Hi Huim Lake next weekend ….have any tips or fly suggestions ? Thanks in advance

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli

"freeway" to Hope, then continue east on Hwy. 3 (toward Princeton) for about 1/2 hour.  This river is part of the Skeena watershed and is chock full of big rainbows.  I was there a couple of summers ago in early August.  The ONLY FLY needed seemed to be Green Drakes, tied Haystack style on #10! Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rlundy

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Hi Folks, my brother and my father are going to BC this summer, during the first part of August. They will be staying in Vancouver and they would like to do some fresh water fishing (fly fishing) for Salmon / Trout nearby (let’s say within 6 hrs of Vancouver). Any suggestion will be appreciated (places, flies, guides, phone numbers, personal experience). I am posting for them, since they do not have internet access. I would appreciate if you could send me e-mail, if enough people are interested, I will gladly assemble a list of the answers and post it. Thanks in advance, -Vittorio Castelli

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Fish for Dolly Varden, wild trout, Steelhead, Salmon, and more! Join us at our logde for the fishing experience of a lifetime. Check out our web site at <http://www.libby.org/davis/welcome.html

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: Fish for Dolly Varden, wild trout, Steelhead, Salmon, and more! Join us : at our logde for the fishing experience of a lifetime. Check out our web : site at <http://www.libby.org/davis/welcome.html I feel  compelled to respond to the specific claims made on what species are available. My father visited camp Kiklukh last year during the latter part of August into the first few days of September.  He found that this is basically a one fish fishery, silver salmon. Of all the people in camp at the same time, there were only a handful of dolly varden caught and he *heard* of one cutthroat trout being caught. Now, I am not at all trying to be negative on the whole trip because that is not the case.  There were many parts of the trip that were fantastic.  George and Debbie Davis were described as outstanding people.  Of the places we have visited in Alaska, my father’s opinion of Camp Kiklukh was the  absolutely best food he has had and the best silver fishing.  If the fishing was poor around the camp, the anglers were flown out to the Tsiu at no additonal cost just to make sure they got into great numbers of silvers. As I said, I just wanted to clarify what species of fish are available in significant numbers at camp Kiklukh. Kind regards, Steve Kernosky  Ph.D. Michigan Tech University

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writes: :   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert

Well Robert, I began fly fishing on a rod made by my friends dad, it was a 7 12 four weight…..a month later I got a L.L. Bean 8 foot 5 weight for 295.00 that includes the reel…..its a great rod and I consider it a very good price for the fun and fish i’ve gotton from it so far…..THey will send you a catalog if you call…..they also have fly kits that will start you out for about 25 dollars……good luck…. Matt, age 16

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   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. Many thanks Robert

Bob: From another Bob.  Find yourself a sports shop that at least carries flyfishing equipment.  Buy a "discovery" or "introductory" outfit that includes an 8′ to 9′ rod in a 5 or 6 weight.  See if your local adult education organization (or the shop you bought the outfit from) has any beginner flyfishing/casting classes, and go do it.   The outfit shouldn’t cost you much more than $100 to $150. Another good way to try it out is to find a FLYFISHING guide in your area and hire him/her for a day.  A little more expensive, but they can probably provide the equipment, give you some great instruction, and you would probably even catch some fish. Finally, a couple more sources to try are Fly Rod and Reel, American Angler, and Flyfishing magazines.  Also, you may already know about this, but you might want to post your inquiry on the newsgroup rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Have fun, it’s a great sport. Bob Peters

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        Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. Many thanks Robert

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:       Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert Don’t do what I did, and buy the $29.95 Fly-Fishing starter-kit from Shakespeare! What a mistake. I have yet to get a fly on/in the water with this set-up… The fly-line included with the kit was made in China and was wrapped up with a VERY gummy/sticky label. Even after cleaning at the line for an hour it was still gummy and wouldn’t slide through the guides, so I shopped around for some replacement line. $15 dollars (and much confusion about which type line to buy) later, I had that, but still couldn’t get the thing to cast at all, so it’s collecting dust in a corner of the basement. I did manage to succesfully do some flyfishing this past week though, for the first time in my life. I bought some clear bobbers, and used them with about 4 feet of 6lb leader and a fly on my spinning rod. I caught a bucket full of large bluegills, crappie, and bass. Some of the fish were hitting on the bobber, so maybe I should adapt a hook onto it for next time… Anyone else do the majority of their fishing from a seakayak? Cecil Williams

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I’m planning fishing Lewiston weekend of May 6. I imagine river will be too high, but how about Lewiston Lake, or maybe even Trinity Lake with a float tube? Any thoughts?

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You will need a float tube to get to where the fish are.  Try fishing right below the dam in the flyfishing only section. I’ve done pretty well down there. MDRPete

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I am just begining to become addicted to fly fishing, having long ago given up the lowly bait fishing.  I have gotten some valuable information regarding casting and fly selection …. but I can’t seem to find a good resource about different retrieve techniques.  All of the reference material centers around casting and presentation (usually in a stream setting), and nary a word about what to do once you get the fly out there.  I am interested in any info about fishing wet flys and what to do on the retrieve.  Any suggestions?  

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writes: (deleted) I am interested in any info about fishing wet flys and what to do on the retrieve.  Any suggestions?  

Get a copy of Ernest Schweibert’s "Trout Strategies", Published by E.P.Dutton, ISBN 0-525-48052-8.  He discusses numerous fishing and retrieval techniques for Wets, Drys, Bucktail/Streamers and Nymphs. You might also see if you can find a copy of "Wet Fly Fishing Treated Methodically", by E.M. Tod, Published in England in 1918 by Sampson Low; Marston & Company. Tod is the Proper English Aristocratic type who eschews the use of the Dry Fly. Guy Manning

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