Fished with Capt. Dave Dudley for a 4 hour trip.  Headed out of Oregon Inlet to the ocean side and about 6 miles north and a quarter mile off the beach.  Stripers were scattered but managed 5 small fish 15 to 18 lbs. Will try one more time before the water temp gets too low for a decent fish.  Reports from the Sound indicate plenty of 3-8 pounders still being taken. Fish are taking LARGE Halfandhalfs and Deceivers (at least 8 inches). Capt Dave is an excellent guide specializing in fly fishing and light tackle. Spotted a nice whale in the area and rode along side for a bit. Great to look at but stink big time. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!!

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time, pack the 40-weight rod and some #54 diatom imitations……backing should be substantial as well<g. Report warmed up the day for me, ice-bound in central PA.                                  Tom

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote  The consolation is that you can then get next  year’s model: it will come with headlights, two  cup holders, and a reverse hydration system.

I assume that’s the women’s version? Bob

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   Well Uncle Wally i guess i will have to have a talk with the big cheese at Simms i thought you was to get the G3"s last month ahead of everyone else.    Well did the rep at least leave the one’s you were prancing around the shop in?                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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   Well Uncle Wally i guess i will have to have a talk with the big cheese at Simms i thought you was to get the G3"s last month ahead of everyone else.

shoot mike, that would be unethical <g    Well did the rep at least leave the one’s you were prancing around the shop in?

i tried…. but it was the only pair he had with him on his sales rounds. besides, they were a bit small fer me. he did leave me with some sage stuff to play with. have ya been down to penns lately? i have a buddy that wants to fish it in the spring and we’re planning on a long weekend in march or april. –wally

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Hi everyone! I was planning on buying a pair of Simms guide weight waders when I’m visiting Canada next month. When I contacted a local shop about the waders, they told me that Simms had a new 2003 model of the guide weight waders coming out (the old model will be called ‘Classic Guide’ from now on). Has anyone seen the new model or heard of them? What are the differences?

No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Op  –seriously– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Jarmo Hurri

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Guyz-N-Flyz No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Not *only* that, but also 100CAD. But I’d still be interested to find out. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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Guyz-N-Flyz No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Not *only* that, but also 100CAD. But I’d still be interested to find out. — Jarmo Hurri

Try to PING Uncle Wally at ezflyfish.com.  I be he has a new pair in stock, and would know if the differences are worth the extra cost. Op

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Guyz-N-Flyz Try to PING Uncle Wally at ezflyfish.com.  I be he has a Guyz-N-Flyz new pair in stock, and would know if the differences are Guyz-N-Flyz worth the extra cost. Heck, he’s got it *all* http://www.ezflyfish.com/simmsg3waders.html — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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No, but I figure the *real* difference is about a year. Op  –seriously–

And a lot of dollars   /Roger

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Hi everyone! I was planning on buying a pair of Simms guide weight waders when I’m visiting Canada next month. When I contacted a local shop about the waders, they told me that Simms had a new 2003 model of the guide weight waders coming out (the old model will be called ‘Classic Guide’ from now on). Has anyone seen the new model or heard of them? What are the differences?

hey Jarmo, I’ve seen and tried a pair on about a month ago when the Simms sales rep was in the shop. It has new features and is more breathable according to Simms. I’ve just yesterday loaded the image and Simms press release at my site: http://www.ezflyfish.com/simmsg3waders.html I haven’t field tested a pair yet so I can’t give you any advise concerning it’s functionality etc. but the pair I wore around the store was very comfortable and seemed to be built very well. Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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differences…. a few that I liked…. 1) Built in gravel guards. 2) the hand warmer will be ideal for holding bottled water or other beverages of choice…. easy access ;^) 3) the ass portion is more durable. i slide on my butt down boulders and hills quite a bit when i fish nc streams. i do this for safety because i’m not very stable walking downhill or downstream. 4) the knees are also more durable which is important here also…. low stealthy profile when fishing. 5) the little built-in chest pack will allow minimalist (no vest) fishing. — wally

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Walt differences…. a few that I liked…. Walt 1) Built in gravel guards. Walt 3) the ass portion is more durable. i slide on my butt down Walt    boulders and hills quite a bit when i fish nc streams. i do Walt    this for safety because i’m not very stable walking downhill Walt    or downstream. Walt 4) the knees are also more durable which is important here Walt    also…. low Walt    stealthy profile when fishing. I think these three are pretty important. But… a bit of bad luck. I’m coming over there in December, and the product will be available in January. Sigh… — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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And a lot of dollars  

Indian Joe replies–and for the big dollars they did not include a zippered fly for those us who had too much beer last night or too much coffee this morning. or a back supporting belt with a water bottle holder. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Sound to me like Uncle Wally has some Jarmo. He could proberly hook you up with a set.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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Sound to me like Uncle Wally has some Jarmo. He could proberly hook you up with a set.                    Handyman Mike         Standing in a river waving a stick

nahhh Mike, I won’t be receiving any until they ship them in January to all the dealers. I think I have 15 or so pair due in. –wally

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Greg  The consolation is that you can then get next year’s model: it Greg  will come with headlights, two cup holders, and a reverse Greg  hydration system. I don’t think that reinforced parts in the posterior area and knees qualify in the same class as cup holders. It’s not an imagined need. On the other hand, I do admit that I don’t know how strong these reinforced parts are when compared with the ‘classic’ ones. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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I think these three are pretty important. But… a bit of bad luck. I’m coming over there in December, and the product will be available in January. Sigh… – The consolation is that you can then get next year’s model: it will come with headlights, two cup holders, and a reverse hydration system.

And tail fins!

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Hi everyone! I was planning on buying a pair of Simms guide weight waders when I’m visiting Canada next month. When I contacted a local shop about the waders, they told me that Simms had a new 2003 model of the guide weight waders coming out (the old model will be called ‘Classic Guide’ from now on). Has anyone seen the new model or heard of them? What are the differences? — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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During the height of "hummingbird season" I use 10-15 lbs of sugar a week to make the solution. Can I have your "recipe" please?

I’ve never measured sugar to water, but an approximation would be about 1/2 cup sugar to about 3/4 cup water.  Heat water, stirring, until sugar dissolved, add a drop or so of red food coloring, and cool in fridge.  Makes about a qt. Once the birds start lapping up the solution I make about 3 qts at a time. This solution has about 2 – 2.5x more sugar than the commercial powders, and so hummingbirds have to make the trip to the feeder a little less often (which was the point of revving up the sugar).  I had checked with an ornithologist where I work, who blessed the enriched solution.  It can be made even sweeter with no harm to the birds. Note of caution…..I don’t know if beet sugar is sold in the UK, but thru trial and error I discovered that the birds reject a solution of beet sugar (or did mine anyway); I use only cane sugar now. Mac

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This is when a hawk or other predator approaches and smaller birds band together in a planned attack to drive off the intruder. I have seen hawks dive bombed this way by a bunch of starlings.

<nodding   A few years ago I heard loud, continuous bird screeches in back of the house and went to find out what was happening.  A number of birds were attacking an eagle, dive-bombing it and had driven the eagle to flying about 4 feet above the ground.  In a matter of minutes it  had flown off.  I was happy for the escape of any potential prey but I missed a great opportunity to photograph the scene. My hummingbirds have not arrived as yet here in Pa.

Not all the hummingbirds leave this area during the Winter….since it’s a cold "Northern" winter only a few days a season.  A few birds are back at the feeder; in a few weeks, there’ll be a clan gathering of multiple generations. During the height of "hummingbird season" I use 10-15 lbs of sugar a week to make the solution. Mac

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I think cats are the lords and ladies of the earth.  :-) So do the cats. (Hi, Mac … )

Good morning, Arjay.   Small point of order … Fossey worked with _mountain_ gorillas.

When I read over what I had typed, I thought there was something "off"  (blush, blush).  Thanks. Again, a number of species that form families or troops for survival  also develop within the "family" strong sibling and mother-dtr ties, hunting for one another, caring for one another’s offspring, looking out for orphans, protecting one another. That applies in many species.  Look into the behaviours of many social animals: African elephants may be the most striking example.

Yes. If the wolves’ territoriality were unique to the species Tacon’s conjecture would seem stronger.   Mac

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "DawnoftheForest" wrote … Mcc6050 wrote … Dogs rule Hmmmm….I think cats are the lords and ladies of the earth.  :-) So do the cats. (Hi, Mac … ) Interesting article…some comments: Tacon said modern man’s strong territorialism is not shared by other primates. I don’t think that’s all that accurate.  The work by Goodall and Fossey showed that troops/families of chimps and low-land gorillas are territorial. Their findings were, IIRC, mostly confirmations of things suggested by the earlier work of Konrad Lorenz. Even when developing the concept of "imprinting" Lorenz made some passing comments on the apparent territoriality of geese, and I seem to recall he expanded on those comments in _Das sogenannte B

P&P has a small bonefishing lodge on the other end of the island. http://www.peaceandplenty.com/resorts/bonefish.htm there is a dock, unsure if you could rent though, i think the idea is to provide you with a guide and boat. no night life though, you would have to go into georgetown for that, too far to walk or bicycle. to follow up whoever mentioned Stocking island, taking the ferry from the main hotel in town and walking accross stocking island to the exposed side is well worth the effort. the view from the top is quite nice as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of  "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich

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I know this is a boat newsgroup, but I presume many of you have cruised the Bahama out islands and Exuma. A lady friend and I are planning a vacation to George Town, Exuma in April. I would like to be close to town and plan on renting a boat. I’m looking for reasonable accommodations close to the water near a dock or marina where I can keep a boat. I prefer a place that is not too crowded, commercial, i.e. NOT Club Peace and Plenty unless someone can convince me otherwise. Any suggestions appreciated. Anyone familiar with Minns Cottages, Coral Gardens Bed & Breakfast Inn, Two Turtles Inn, Marshall’s Guest House, Flamingo Bay Hotel and Villas, Coconut Cove Hotel, Mount Pleasant Hotel? I would like to do some fly fishing on the flats for bonefish and offshore light tackle fly fishing too. Any good guide recommendations or charters? Sincerely, Rich Lamanna

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In the 80’s we had only 3 choices. Peace & Plenty, two Turtle Inn ( across the street for P&P) and another resort type place but I can’t remember the name. We really enjoyed the P&P really quaint. There wasn’t much of a town and P&P was in it. But on our second visit went to the resort type place because P&P didn’t have a beach. They own an absolutely great, private beach about a 5 minute ride across the bay called stocking island. P&P was the hotel that all boaters got their mail delivered to. They catered to boaters needs. But remember this was in the 80’s. I would go back to P&P in a minute, no hesitation. That’s my 2 cents FWIW. Joe Sand Dollar Noank, CT  

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Joe, thanks for the reply. I have some friends who spent their honeymoon at P&P. They thought it was great too. What did you think of Two Turtles Inn? Did you have a chance to check it out? I realize it was a long time ago but any recollection would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rich

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Are you set on going to Georgetown? I have another suggestion -very remote – very beautiful – fantastic!!!  Check out Compass Cay on the Internet.  Just south of the Land and Sea Park and about 10 miles north of Staniel Cay where there is an airport.   ADVANTAGES: Remote Most beautiful beach in the Exhumas 1 mile crescent shapped beach Beach "busy" if anyone else there 10 slip marina 1 lodge and 2 rental apartments friendly native owner no bars – no restaurants- no people rental boats and motors Bone fish galore DISADVANTAGES Remote No bars – no restaurants 10 miles by boat to store and restaurant Didn’t make it there last winter but spent several months there on our boat in 1999 and 2000.  Fantastic if you want to get away from civilization.  Fantastic if you want to bone fish.  Fantastic if you like to snorkel and explore.

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Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of  "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich

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The SCYC is 10 miles south of Compass.  It is located near the airport for the area.  Great conch burgers at the bar.  Also have had good dinner there. Colorful cabins on the water for guests.  Bahamian culture – yes night life – no.  Staniel Cay has a couple of local bars and restaurants, the SCYC and Thunderball restaurants and a couple of grocery stores (with most of the "sell by" dates on merchandise erased).  Still serviced once a week by mail boat for supplies and mail.  Airport makes it convenient but not a place where I would take a lady for a fun visit.  Less remote than Compass but activities primarily boating, fishing and water oriented.  If both of you are not really into that, it would be a mistake.  Have you looked at the Abacos and Eluthera.  Spanish Wells, Harbour Island and Hope Town get a strong recommendation from my wife. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Surfnturf, I have heard of the place, ran across it somewhere on the internet. Sounds very beautiful, maybe a bit too remote for me this trip. I want just a little bit of  "Bahamian culture" and night life to spice things up for me and the lady. Are you familiar with the Staniel Cay Yacht Club? That looks like it would be a trip worth investigating sometime too. Rich

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   I wonder if the ironing bit is just precaution  or from experience in dealing with some  customers.

Probably experience unfortunately. . . .<g — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product? Willi

I feel for you.  I tore a couple of big holes in my new breathables (in the thigh) back in June.  I have some big patches and blobs of Aquaseal on them which although unsightly (not as unsightly as the wearer) do the job.  I’m really intrigued by the sunpatch<sp? you referred to in an earlier post.  I missed most of a day of fishing waiting for the Aquaseal to harden (and I did use the Cotol accelerant). I doubt there’s any product that can retreat Goretex (or the other breathable membrane products).  Goretex is a thin membrane with really small holes in it.  Any treatment would just clog the holes.  You’re best bet is to find the big holes and fill them up with some kind of goo. I have heard about a treatment product (Nik Wax?) that can be used on the outer surface of things like jackets.  This is applied to the outer layer (nylon, Cordura) to help shed water.   I have reservations about using that on things that are supposed to be breathable – they might help water shedding, but would also block vapor flow.  I would be really reluctant to use such a product on waders. –Stan

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SunPatch has worked great for me, almost instant set in the sun. Unfortunately, last Monday night camping in the backcountry, I poked a hole in my Thermarest pad with a feed through needle knot tool tying on a new leader set up for a friend.  It was 38 degrees, not good for sleeping directly on cold ground after a hard day.  SunPatch may have worked great but will not set/cure ever until put in sun light.  In the future I am carrying both, SunPatch and Aquaseal. Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product? Willi I feel for you.  I tore a couple of big holes in my new breathables (in the thigh) back in June.  I have some big patches and blobs of Aquaseal on them which although unsightly (not as unsightly as the wearer) do the job.  I’m really intrigued by the sunpatch<sp? you referred to in an earlier post. I missed most of a day of fishing waiting for the Aquaseal to harden (and I did use the Cotol accelerant). I doubt there’s any product that can retreat Goretex (or the other breathable membrane products).  Goretex is a thin membrane with really small holes in it.  Any treatment would just clog the holes.  You’re best bet is to find the big holes and fill them up with some kind of goo. I have heard about a treatment product (Nik Wax?) that can be used on the outer surface of things like jackets.  This is applied to the outer layer (nylon, Cordura) to help shed water.   I have reservations about using that on things that are supposed to be breathable – they might help water shedding, but would also block vapor flow.  I would be really reluctant to use such a product on waders. –Stan

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look for "Tech Wash" by NikWax. The back label reads: "…gently removes dirt. Residue free, non detergent soap protects water repellancy of all breathable fabrics". I boat my wife a goretex coat a couple of years back and this was what the specialist shop recommened be used. They told me water repellancy is degraded when goretex gets dirty. As far as I understand goretex is a waterproof membrane as opposed to other products that are coatings applied to nylon or polyester.

I’ll have to try that.  I usually just use Shout, but I don’t know if that helps protect water repellancy.  BTW, you are correct about the Gore-Tex just being a membrane.  It is sandwiched between a few layers of fabric because the actual Gore-Tex layer is very thin and is kind of like working with a piece of saran wrap. — Warren Findley www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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look for "Tech Wash" by NikWax. The back label reads: "…gently removes dirt. Residue free, non detergent soap protects water repellancy of all breathable fabrics". I boat my wife a goretex coat a couple of years back and this was what the specialist shop recommened be used. They told me water repellancy is degraded when goretex gets dirty. As far as I understand goretex is a waterproof membrane as opposed to other products that are coatings applied to nylon or polyester. — RalphH

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—– Original Message —– I ripped a couple of holes in the knees of my breathables at Henry’s Fork. I patched them up well and they no longer leak. Bruce told me of a product that is used to retreat Goretex which will provide a fresh waterproof coating to the outside fabric. Has anyone here used such a product?

Two things that might be of interest here Willi.  Some people were asking about cleaning waders so here is that info.  I tried getting it the other day, but Simms website was down.  If you want to check out the website, just click on the technologies menu and then Gore-Tex fabric.  At the bottom of that page are a bunch of questions.  Click on them to get the answers. "For your Simms/Gore-Tex Waders: Use a pre-wash treatment, such as Shout. Clean waders, either in the bathtub or in the machine on gentle (in cold water). Allow to dry completely. Some stains, such as fly dressings or sap, may be untreatable, but will not affect the breathability of the product. For Gore-Tex Rainwear: Use a pre-wash treatment (such as Shout

" Miranda Writes" < wrote This has to be shared with some other newsgroups… WASHINGTON — John Spankitt, president of the Sperm Is Life League

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Meet my good friend,         Willie, the one-eyed wonder worm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Also top-posting:  my favorite (stroke your oar) is not in the list. Luha             M/M and now, to add to this story,  we have late-breaking news- A  complete list of acts which Spill wishes to ban follows:  THE CANONICAL LIST OF EUPHEMISMS FOR MALE MASTURBATION:        1. Arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel        2. Attack the one-eyed purple-headed warrior        3. Audition the finger puppets        4. Audition your hand puppet        5. Backstroke roulette        6. Bash the candle        7. Battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love        8. Be your own best friend        9. Beat off       10. Beat the Bishop       11. Beat the bologna       12. Beat the dummy       13. Beat the meat       14. Beat the pud       15. Beat the stick       16. Beat up your date       17. Beef tips stroking off       18. Bleed the weed       19. Blow your load       20. Blow your own horn       21. Bludgeon the beefsteak       22. Bop the bologna       23. Bop the bonzo       24. Box the Jesuit       25. Box with Richard       26. Buff the banana       27. Bugger your hand       28. Burp the baby       29. Burp the worm       30. Butter the corn       31. Caning the vandal       32. Charm the snake       33. Check for testicular cancer       34. Cheese off       35. Choke Kojak       36. Choke the chicken       37. Choke the sheriff and wait for the posse to come       38. Clamp the pipe       39. Clean your rifle       40. Clear the snorkel       41. Climb the tree       42. Closet Frisbee       43. Come into your own       44. Cook the cream of cock       45. Corral your tadpole       46. Couch hockey for one       47. Crank the love pump       48. Crank the shank       49. Crimp the wire       50. Crown the king       51. Cuddle the kielbasa       52. Cuff the carrot       53. Daisy-chaining       54. Date Miss Michigan       55. Date Mrs. Palmer and Her five daughters       56. Date Rosie Palm and her five sisters       57. Defrosting the fridge       58. Diddle       59. Digital penile oscillation       60. Do It Your Way       61. Do handiwork       62. Do the White Knuckler       63. Do the janitor thing       64. Drain the monster       65. Dry humping the ottoman       66. Electing the President       67. Engage in safe sex       68. Exercise one’s right       69. Feed the ducks       70. Fiddle the flesh flute       71. Fist fuck       72. Fist your mister       73. Five knuckle shuffle       74. Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump       75. Flick your Bic       76. Fling your phallus       77. Flip the Bishop       78. Flog the Bishop       79. Flog the dog       80. Flog the dolphin       81. Flog the dong       82. Flog the hog       83. Flog the log       84. Flog the mule       85. Fly fishing       86. Fondle your flagpole       87. Free Willy       88. Friggit       89. Frost the pastries       90. Gallop the antelope       91. Gallop the old lizard       92. Genital stimulation via phallengetic motion       93. Get a date with Slick Mittens       94. Get chafed       95. Get off       96. Get the German soldier marching       97. Get to know yourself       98. Get your pole varnished       99. Give it a tug      100. Give your low five      101. Go a couple of rounds with ol’ Josh      102. Go blind      103. Go on a date with Fisty Palmer      104. Go on a date with Handrea and Palmela      105. Go the blow      106. Goose the gherkin      107. Grease the pipe      108. Hack the hog      109. Hand job      110. Hand shandy      111. Hard labor      112. Have one off the wrist      113. Hitchhike to heaven      114. Hitchhike underneath the big top      115. Hold the Bishop      116. Hold the sausage hostage      117. Hone the cone      118. Honk your horn      119. Hug the hog      120. Human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT      121. Hump your hose      122. Jack hammer      123. Jack off      124. Jazz yourself      125. Jerk      126. Jerk Jamby      127. Jerk it      128. Jerk off      129. Jerk the gherkin      130. Jizzlob      131. JocelynEldering      132. Kick your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents"      133. Look for ticks      134. Lope the mule      135. Love the muppet      136. Love’s labors lost      137. Make a foreskin cone      138. Make instant pudding      139. Make the bald man puke      140. Making soup      141. Mangle the midget      142. Manipulate the mango      143. Manual labor      144. Manual override      145. Master Bacon, meet Rosie Hancock      146. Meat with Mother Thumb and her four daughters      147. Milk the Lizard      148. Milk the cow      149. Milk the moose      150. Milk the self      151. Milking the lizard      152. Mount a corporal and four      153. Much goo about nothing      154. Nerk your throbber      155. Null the void      156. Oil the glove      157. Onan’s olympics      158. One gun salute      159. One man band      160. One-night-stand with yourself      161. Pack your palm      162. Paddle the pickle      163. Paint the ceiling      164. Paint the pickle      165. Palm the calm      166. Peel some chilis      167. Peel the banana      168. Perform diagnostics on your ManTool      169. Pet the lizard      170. Pip the pumpkin      171. Play Uno      172. Play a little five-on-one      173. Play a one stringed guitar      174. Play five against one      175. Play in a one-man show      176. Play peek-a-boo      177. Play pocket pinball      178. Play pocket pool      179. Play tag with the pink torpedo      180. Play the skin flute      181. Play tug-o-war with Cyclops      182. Play with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys)      183. Playing the one-stringed melody      184. Please your pisser      185. Plunk your twanger      186. Polish Percy in your palm      187. Polish the Rocket      188. Polish the family jewels      189. Polish the helmet      190. Polish the rock-hard staff of St. Peter      191. Polish the rocket      192. Polish the sword      193. Pound off      194. Pound the bald-headed moose      195. Pound the pud      196. Pound your flounder      197. Pound your pud      198. Prepare the carrot      199. Prime the pump      200. Pull off      201. Pull rank      202. Pull the bologna pony      203. Pull the carrot      204. Pull the cord      205. Pull the goalie      206. Pull the pole      207. Pull the Pope      208. Pull the pud      209. Pull your own leg      210. Pull your prick      211. Pull your taffy      212. Pump the python      213. Pump the stump      214. Punch the clown      215. Punch the munchkin      216. Punish Percy in your palm      217. Ram the ham      218. Relieve tension      219. Ride the great white knuckler      220. Roll your own      221. Romeo and Himself      222. Rope the pony      223. Rope the Pope      224. Rub off      225. Rub one out      226. Rub the pink eraser      227. Run off a batch by hand      228. Sacrifice sperm to the god of lonely nights      229. Safest sex      230. Sand wood      231. Scour the tower of power      232. Scratch the itch      233. Secret handshake      234. Self abuse      235. Self-induced penile regurgitation      236. Sex with someone you really love      237. Shag      238. Shake hands with Abe Lincoln      239. Shake hands with Yul Brynner      240. Shake hands with the midget      241. Shake hands with the unemployed      242. Shake hands with your John Thomas      243. Shake hands with your wife’s best friend      244. Shake the sauce      245. Shake the sausage      246. Shake the snake      247. Shaling the snake      248. Shellac the shillelagh      249. Shemp the hog      250. Shift gears      251. Shine the helmet      252. Shine your pole      253. Shoot for the moon      254. Shoot putty at the moon      255. Shoot the airplane      256. Shuck your corn      257. Slakin’ the bacon      258. Slam the ham      259. Slam the salami      260. Slam the salmon      261. Slam the spam      262. Slap high fives with Yul Brynner      263. Slap it      264. Slap pappy      265. Slap the carrot      266. Slap the clown      267. Slap the donkey      268. Slap the pud      269. Slap the purple headed yogurt pistol      270. Slap the salami      271. Sling the jelly      272. Smack off      273. Smack the salami      274. Snap the monkey      275. Snap the rubber      276. Snap the whip      277. Solo flight      278. Solo marathon      279. Solo sex      280. Spank Frank (or Elvis)      281. Spank the Bishop      282. Spank the frank      283. Spank the monkey      284. Spank the salami      285. Spank the wank      286. Squeeze the cheese      287. Squeeze the juice      288. Squeeze the toothpaste in the middle of the tube      289. Squeeze your cheese-dog      290. Stinky pinky      291. Stir the batter      292. 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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (top-posting) This has to be shared with some other newsgroups… GROUP WANTS TO BAN MASTURBATION BY YOSSARIAN KHAN THE FAUX NEWS SERVICE www.ftpg.net WASHINGTON — John Spankitt, president of the Sperm Is Life League (SPILL) today announced a campaign to outlaw masturbation. … [snip] Several reporters attempted to ask Spankitt if he had ever engaged in masturbation himself, at which time he declared the press conference closed and rushed from the room with the aid of his guide dog.             M/M and now, to add to this story,  we have late-breaking news- A  complete list of acts which Spill wishes to ban follows:  THE CANONICAL LIST OF EUPHEMISMS FOR MALE MASTURBATION:        1. Arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel        2. Attack the one-eyed purple-headed warrior

[snip] As they say in the Navy; it’s my dick and my soap and I’ll wash it as fast as I want to. — David J. Vorous Yosemite Llama Ranch http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com UDP for WebTV

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[snipped] Also top-posting:  my favorite (stroke your oar) is not in the list. Luha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –             M/M and now, to add to this story,  we have late-breaking news- A  complete list of acts which Spill wishes to ban follows:  THE CANONICAL LIST OF EUPHEMISMS FOR MALE MASTURBATION:        1. Arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel        2. Attack the one-eyed purple-headed warrior        3. Audition the finger puppets        4. Audition your hand puppet        5. Backstroke roulette        6. Bash the candle        7. Battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love        8. Be your own best friend        9. Beat off       10. Beat the Bishop       11. Beat the bologna       12. Beat the dummy       13. Beat the meat       14. Beat the pud       15. Beat the stick       16. Beat up your date       17. Beef tips stroking off       18. Bleed the weed       19. Blow your load       20. Blow your own horn       21. Bludgeon the beefsteak       22. Bop the bologna       23. Bop the bonzo       24. Box the Jesuit       25. Box with Richard       26. Buff the banana       27. Bugger your hand       28. Burp the baby       29. Burp the worm       30. Butter the corn       31. Caning the vandal       32. Charm the snake       33. Check for testicular cancer       34. Cheese off       35. Choke Kojak       36. Choke the chicken       37. Choke the sheriff and wait for the posse to come       38. Clamp the pipe       39. Clean your rifle       40. Clear the snorkel       41. Climb the tree       42. Closet Frisbee       43. Come into your own       44. Cook the cream of cock       45. Corral your tadpole       46. Couch hockey for one       47. Crank the love pump       48. Crank the shank       49. Crimp the wire       50. Crown the king       51. Cuddle the kielbasa       52. Cuff the carrot       53. Daisy-chaining       54. Date Miss Michigan       55. Date Mrs. Palmer and Her five daughters       56. Date Rosie Palm and her five sisters       57. Defrosting the fridge       58. Diddle       59. Digital penile oscillation       60. Do It Your Way       61. Do handiwork       62. Do the White Knuckler       63. Do the janitor thing       64. Drain the monster       65. Dry humping the ottoman       66. Electing the President       67. Engage in safe sex       68. Exercise one’s right       69. Feed the ducks       70. Fiddle the flesh flute       71. Fist fuck       72. Fist your mister       73. Five knuckle shuffle       74. Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump       75. Flick your Bic       76. Fling your phallus       77. Flip the Bishop       78. Flog the Bishop       79. Flog the dog       80. Flog the dolphin       81. Flog the dong       82. Flog the hog       83. Flog the log       84. Flog the mule       85. Fly fishing       86. Fondle your flagpole       87. Free Willy       88. Friggit       89. Frost the pastries       90. Gallop the antelope       91. Gallop the old lizard       92. Genital stimulation via phallengetic motion       93. Get a date with Slick Mittens       94. Get chafed       95. Get off       96. Get the German soldier marching       97. Get to know yourself       98. Get your pole varnished       99. Give it a tug      100. Give your low five      101. Go a couple of rounds with ol’ Josh      102. Go blind      103. Go on a date with Fisty Palmer      104. Go on a date with Handrea and Palmela      105. Go the blow      106. Goose the gherkin      107. Grease the pipe      108. Hack the hog      109. Hand job      110. Hand shandy      111. Hard labor      112. Have one off the wrist      113. Hitchhike to heaven      114. Hitchhike underneath the big top      115. Hold the Bishop      116. Hold the sausage hostage      117. Hone the cone      118. Honk your horn      119. Hug the hog      120. Human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT      121. Hump your hose      122. Jack hammer      123. Jack off      124. Jazz yourself      125. Jerk      126. Jerk Jamby      127. Jerk it      128. Jerk off      129. Jerk the gherkin      130. Jizzlob      131. JocelynEldering      132. Kick your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents"      133. Look for ticks      134. Lope the mule      135. Love the muppet      136. Love’s labors lost      137. Make a foreskin cone      138. Make instant pudding      139. Make the bald man puke      140. Making soup      141. Mangle the midget      142. Manipulate the mango      143. Manual labor      144. Manual override      145. Master Bacon, meet Rosie Hancock      146. Meat with Mother Thumb and her four daughters      147. Milk the Lizard      148. Milk the cow      149. Milk the moose      150. Milk the self      151. Milking the lizard      152. Mount a corporal and four      153. Much goo about nothing      154. Nerk your throbber      155. Null the void      156. Oil the glove      157. Onan’s olympics      158. One gun salute      159. One man band      160. One-night-stand with yourself      161. Pack your palm      162. Paddle the pickle      163. Paint the ceiling      164. Paint the pickle      165. Palm the calm      166. Peel some chilis      167. Peel the banana      168. Perform diagnostics on your ManTool      169. Pet the lizard      170. Pip the pumpkin      171. Play Uno      172. Play a little five-on-one      173. Play a one stringed guitar      174. Play five against one      175. Play in a one-man show      176. Play peek-a-boo      177. Play pocket pinball      178. Play pocket pool      179. Play tag with the pink torpedo      180. Play the skin flute      181. Play tug-o-war with Cyclops      182. Play with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys)      183. Playing the one-stringed melody      184. Please your pisser      185. Plunk your twanger      186. Polish Percy in your palm      187. Polish the Rocket      188. Polish the family jewels      189. Polish the helmet      190. Polish the rock-hard staff of St. Peter      191. Polish the rocket      192. Polish the sword      193. Pound off      194. Pound the bald-headed moose      195. Pound the pud      196. Pound your flounder      197. Pound your pud      198. Prepare the carrot      199. Prime the pump      200. Pull off      201. Pull rank      202. Pull the bologna pony      203. Pull the carrot      204. Pull the cord      205. Pull the goalie      206. Pull the pole      207. Pull the Pope      208. Pull the pud      209. Pull your own leg      210. Pull your prick      211. Pull your taffy      212. Pump the python      213. Pump the stump      214. Punch the clown      215. Punch the munchkin      216. Punish Percy in your palm      217. Ram the ham      218. Relieve tension      219. Ride the great white knuckler      220. Roll your own      221. Romeo and Himself      222. Rope the pony      223. Rope the Pope      224. Rub off      225. Rub one out      226. Rub the pink eraser      227. Run off a batch by hand      228. Sacrifice sperm to the god of lonely nights      229. Safest sex      230. Sand wood      231. Scour the tower of power      232. Scratch the itch      233. Secret handshake      234. Self abuse      235. Self-induced penile regurgitation      236. Sex with someone you really love      237. Shag      238. Shake hands with Abe Lincoln      239. Shake hands with Yul Brynner      240. Shake hands with the midget      241. Shake hands with the unemployed      242. Shake hands with your John Thomas      243. Shake hands with your wife’s best friend      244. Shake the sauce      245. Shake the sausage      246. Shake the snake      247. Shaling the snake      248. Shellac the shillelagh      249. Shemp the hog      250. Shift gears      251. Shine the helmet      252. Shine your pole      253. Shoot for the moon      254. Shoot putty at the moon      255. Shoot the airplane      256. Shuck your corn      257. Slakin’ the bacon      258. Slam the ham      259. Slam the salami      260. Slam the salmon      261. Slam the spam      262. Slap high fives with Yul Brynner      263. Slap it      264. Slap pappy      265. Slap the carrot      266. Slap the clown      267. Slap the donkey      268. Slap the pud      269. Slap the purple headed yogurt pistol      270. Slap the salami      271. Sling the jelly      272. Smack off      273. Smack the salami      274. Snap the monkey      275. Snap the rubber      276. Snap the whip      277. Solo flight      278. Solo marathon      279. Solo sex      280. Spank Frank (or Elvis)      281. Spank the Bishop      282. Spank the frank      283. Spank the monkey      284. Spank the salami      285. Spank the wank      286. Squeeze the cheese      287. Squeeze the juice      288. Squeeze the toothpaste in the middle of the tube      289. Squeeze your cheese-dog      290. Stinky pinky      291. Stir the batter      292. Stir the yogurt      293. Strain the main vein      294. Stroke it      295. Stroke off      296. Stroke the carrot      297. Stroke the dog      298. Stroke the mole      299. Stroke the one-eyed burping gecko      300. Stroke the satin-headed serpent      301. Stroke your poker      302. Stroke your twinkie      303. Strumming the one string harp      304. Take matters into your own hands      305. Take part in population control

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(top-posting) This has to be shared with some other newsgroups… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GROUP WANTS TO BAN MASTURBATION BY YOSSARIAN KHAN THE FAUX NEWS SERVICE www.ftpg.net WASHINGTON — John Spankitt, president of the Sperm Is Life League (SPILL) today announced a campaign to outlaw masturbation. Within the month, according to Spankitt, SPILL plans to lobby President Bush, members of Congress, and state governors to introduce legislation criminalizing male self-gratification. "Men who masturbate quite clearly are murdering a potential life." Spankitt said. "Each teaspoonful of ejaculate carries millions of sperm, a single one of which can bring life. I think it’s pretty obvious that masturbators are killers." Mr. Spankitt said that details of detection and prosecution had yet to be addressed, but he was confident that answers would be coming soon. "President Bush and Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle have expressed interest in our issue. They think it’s important to take a stand for life. It’s about morality." When questioned about possible sanctions, Spankitt referred to the Bible. "We’re debating that right now. Matthew 5:30 says ‘If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee . . .’ We think that’s a good start for first offenders. Amputation and education–those are key." SPILL plans to organize nationwide "SPILL Circles" in which men may come together for help with their compulsion. "Second offenders would have to be dealt with more severely," Spankitt continued. "As Genesis 38:9-10 says ‘. . . he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also.’ You can draw your own conclusions." Several reporters attempted to ask Spankitt if he had ever engaged in masturbation himself, at which time he declared the press conference closed and rushed from the room with the aid of his guide dog.

            M/M and now, to add to this story,  we have late-breaking news- A  complete list of acts which Spill wishes to ban follows:  THE CANONICAL LIST OF EUPHEMISMS FOR MALE MASTURBATION:        1. Arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel        2. Attack the one-eyed purple-headed warrior        3. Audition the finger puppets        4. Audition your hand puppet        5. Backstroke roulette        6. Bash the candle        7. Battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love        8. Be your own best friend        9. Beat off       10. Beat the Bishop       11. Beat the bologna       12. Beat the dummy       13. Beat the meat       14. Beat the pud       15. Beat the stick       16. Beat up your date       17. Beef tips stroking off       18. Bleed the weed       19. Blow your load       20. Blow your own horn       21. Bludgeon the beefsteak       22. Bop the bologna       23. Bop the bonzo       24. Box the Jesuit       25. Box with Richard       26. Buff the banana       27. Bugger your hand       28. Burp the baby       29. Burp the worm       30. Butter the corn       31. Caning the vandal       32. Charm the snake       33. Check for testicular cancer       34. Cheese off       35. Choke Kojak       36. Choke the chicken       37. Choke the sheriff and wait for the posse to come       38. Clamp the pipe       39. Clean your rifle       40. Clear the snorkel       41. Climb the tree       42. Closet Frisbee       43. Come into your own       44. Cook the cream of cock       45. Corral your tadpole       46. Couch hockey for one       47. Crank the love pump       48. Crank the shank       49. Crimp the wire       50. Crown the king       51. Cuddle the kielbasa       52. Cuff the carrot       53. Daisy-chaining       54. Date Miss Michigan       55. Date Mrs. Palmer and Her five daughters       56. Date Rosie Palm and her five sisters       57. Defrosting the fridge       58. Diddle       59. Digital penile oscillation       60. Do It Your Way       61. Do handiwork       62. Do the White Knuckler       63. Do the janitor thing       64. Drain the monster       65. Dry humping the ottoman       66. Electing the President       67. Engage in safe sex       68. Exercise one’s right       69. Feed the ducks       70. Fiddle the flesh flute       71. Fist fuck       72. Fist your mister       73. Five knuckle shuffle       74. Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump       75. Flick your Bic       76. Fling your phallus       77. Flip the Bishop       78. Flog the Bishop       79. Flog the dog       80. Flog the dolphin       81. Flog the dong       82. Flog the hog       83. Flog the log       84. Flog the mule       85. Fly fishing       86. Fondle your flagpole       87. Free Willy       88. Friggit       89. Frost the pastries       90. Gallop the antelope       91. Gallop the old lizard       92. Genital stimulation via phallengetic motion       93. Get a date with Slick Mittens       94. Get chafed       95. Get off       96. Get the German soldier marching       97. Get to know yourself       98. Get your pole varnished       99. Give it a tug      100. Give your low five      101. Go a couple of rounds with ol’ Josh      102. Go blind      103. Go on a date with Fisty Palmer      104. Go on a date with Handrea and Palmela      105. Go the blow      106. Goose the gherkin      107. Grease the pipe      108. Hack the hog      109. Hand job      110. Hand shandy      111. Hard labor      112. Have one off the wrist      113. Hitchhike to heaven      114. Hitchhike underneath the big top      115. Hold the Bishop      116. Hold the sausage hostage      117. Hone the cone      118. Honk your horn      119. Hug the hog      120. Human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT      121. Hump your hose      122. Jack hammer      123. Jack off      124. Jazz yourself      125. Jerk      126. Jerk Jamby      127. Jerk it      128. Jerk off      129. Jerk the gherkin      130. Jizzlob      131. JocelynEldering      132. Kick your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents"      133. Look for ticks      134. Lope the mule      135. Love the muppet      136. Love’s labors lost      137. Make a foreskin cone      138. Make instant pudding      139. Make the bald man puke      140. Making soup      141. Mangle the midget      142. Manipulate the mango      143. Manual labor      144. Manual override      145. Master Bacon, meet Rosie Hancock      146. Meat with Mother Thumb and her four daughters      147. Milk the Lizard      148. Milk the cow      149. Milk the moose      150. Milk the self      151. Milking the lizard      152. Mount a corporal and four      153. Much goo about nothing      154. Nerk your throbber      155. Null the void      156. Oil the glove      157. Onan’s olympics      158. One gun salute      159. One man band      160. One-night-stand with yourself      161. Pack your palm      162. Paddle the pickle      163. Paint the ceiling      164. Paint the pickle      165. Palm the calm      166. Peel some chilis      167. Peel the banana      168. Perform diagnostics on your ManTool      169. Pet the lizard      170. Pip the pumpkin      171. Play Uno      172. Play a little five-on-one      173. Play a one stringed guitar      174. Play five against one      175. Play in a one-man show      176. Play peek-a-boo      177. Play pocket pinball      178. Play pocket pool      179. Play tag with the pink torpedo      180. Play the skin flute      181. Play tug-o-war with Cyclops      182. Play with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys)      183. Playing the one-stringed melody      184. Please your pisser      185. Plunk your twanger      186. Polish Percy in your palm      187. Polish the Rocket      188. Polish the family jewels      189. Polish the helmet      190. Polish the rock-hard staff of St. Peter      191. Polish the rocket      192. Polish the sword      193. Pound off      194. Pound the bald-headed moose      195. Pound the pud      196. Pound your flounder      197. Pound your pud      198. Prepare the carrot      199. Prime the pump      200. Pull off      201. Pull rank      202. Pull the bologna pony      203. Pull the carrot      204. Pull the cord      205. Pull the goalie      206. Pull the pole      207. Pull the Pope      208. Pull the pud      209. Pull your own leg      210. Pull your prick      211. Pull your taffy      212. Pump the python      213. Pump the stump      214. Punch the clown      215. Punch the munchkin      216. Punish Percy in your palm      217. Ram the ham      218. Relieve tension      219. Ride the great white knuckler      220. Roll your own      221. Romeo and Himself      222. Rope the pony      223. Rope the Pope      224. Rub off      225. Rub one out      226. Rub the pink eraser      227. Run off a batch by hand      228. Sacrifice sperm to the god of lonely nights      229. Safest sex      230. Sand wood      231. Scour the tower of power      232. Scratch the itch      233. Secret handshake      234. Self abuse      235. Self-induced penile regurgitation      236. Sex with someone you really love      237. Shag      238. Shake hands with Abe Lincoln      239. Shake hands with Yul Brynner      240. Shake hands with the midget      241. Shake hands with the unemployed      242. Shake hands with your John Thomas      243. Shake hands with your wife’s best friend      244. Shake the sauce      245. Shake the sausage      246. Shake the snake      247. Shaling the snake      248. Shellac the shillelagh      249. Shemp the hog      250. Shift gears      251. Shine the helmet      252. Shine your pole      253. Shoot for the moon      254. Shoot putty at the moon      255. Shoot the airplane      256. Shuck your corn      257. Slakin’ the bacon      258. Slam the ham      259. Slam the salami      260. Slam the salmon      261. Slam the spam      262. Slap high fives with Yul

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I have a photo of what you can expect to see in Yellowstone in August: http://www.ruralnetwork.net/%7Etroutbum/album/sp_miscellaneous/madiso… There must have been 100 people alongside the road watching these morons (and I don’t mean the elk). When you drive through the Park make sure to stop and get out of your car at every traffic jam. There’ll probably be some cool wildlife. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Cool picture, but not especially frightful. I fish in RMNP at least 20 days each season and I obliviously get that close to elk several times each year. The national park elk herds tend to be pretty docile; I don’t recall the last time I heard of anyone around here being hurt by one. Bull moose, on the other hand, scare the shit out of me. "rw" wrote I have a photo of what you can expect to see in Yellowstone in August:

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/%7Etroutbum/album/sp_miscellaneous/madiso… adison_elk.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There must have been 100 people alongside the road watching these morons (and I don’t mean the elk). When you drive through the Park make sure to stop and get out of your car at every traffic jam. There’ll probably be some cool wildlife.

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Cool picture, but not especially frightful. I fish in RMNP at least 20 days each season and I obliviously get that close to elk several times each year. The national park elk herds tend to be pretty docile; I don’t recall the last time I heard of anyone around here being hurt by one. Bull moose, on the other hand, scare the shit out of me.

That bull had a harem of about 15 cows behind him, out of the picture. I’d have been out of the water pronto. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Charlie & Willi were making noises about a Colorado ‘Clave and that would be great, but I was thinking a ‘Clave in Yellowstone National Park might be worth considering. If we stayed up in Mammoth Hot Springs we’d be within easy driving distance of Soda Butte, Lamar, Slough Creek and literally miles and miles of decent trout water. I’m thinking the first full week of August, Sunday the 5th to Saturday the 11th. We’d have to get going pretty quickly on reservations, the Park fills up early. Any interest ?

Count me in.  Awfully touristy, but the company would more than make up for that.  I have been looking forward to especially seeing you again Ken — Warren Findley

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I’m thinking the first full week of August, Sunday the 5th to Saturday the 11th. We’d have to get going pretty quickly on reservations, the Park fills up early. Any interest ?

Are the dates flexible at all, if so yes. I can’t go anywhere from the 4th to the 11th of any month. Not that I would expect anyone to change the dates just for me, but since it was early I’d thought I’d ask. The following week would be my birthday and there is no way my wife could say no <g — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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Good point.  The Labor Day cut-off is not as sharp as it used to be years ago.  Just too many people have taken up fly-fishing and more people have more flexibility in their work/vacation schedules.  It’s not until October or so until the streams are truly people-free.  Still, I don’t think the post-labor day crowds rival at all the August circus.  It would be helpful to have up-to-date info (based on this past year’s experience) on which areas/campgrounds are likely to be least crowded. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Two years ago we packed into Slough Creek, campground 8.  Before we went in we had some time to spend driving around Yellowstone and fishing a few creeks.  Some places were crowded, some weren’t.  One of the nicest fish I caught was in Soda Butte creek.  It was a short walk and no other people.   After Labor Day, my wife and I drove through the park both going and coming from a visit to friends in Stephensville, MT.  The streams were packed!  I visited Bud Lilly’s fly shop and the first thing the guy behind the counter said to me is, "If you’re here to book a guide, we’re full up for the next several weeks."  I guess everyone had the idea to wait until the kids were back in school.   In spite of this—have a clave and I’ll try to make it.  I like those short drives.  It’s only about 5 hours from home:)

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Are the dates flexible at all, …

Well, yes and no. September is completely out of the question for us, Kristine has work commitments. I mentioned the first full week in August because traditionally the Yellowstone Institute has a full slate of interesting classes for the non-fishing folks like Kristine to attend. The Summer 2001 Course Catalog is due out any day now, will post a pointer when it appears. Big Dale, I couldn’t find the 2001 dates for the Livingston FFF Conclave on their website, you’re right it would be nice to gather either just before or just after. Do you know those dates ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Conclave on their website, you’re right it would be nice to gather either just before or just after. Do you know those dates ? –

The dates for the FFF conclave are Aug.6-11, but most often I attend only wed afternoon thru saturday, so if the clave is that week I could still make most of the clave. I sure as hell don’t want to miss fishing in the Yellowstone area with you guys a second year in a row. Besides, I need a fix of shopping in Blue Ribbon Flies in West Yellowstone. Let me know who to contact for cabin reservations in the park as I would rather plan this sooner than later knowing how the park fills up. Big Dale

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[snipped] I did have the opportunity to camp out in Yellowstone for 10 days in September once, though, and it was one of the most memorable trips of my life.  The elk are in full rut, and are right in the campgrounds.  Makes it a little hard to sleep when a monster bull is bugling right outside the tent, but it is very exciting.  You owe it to yourself to go there in the fall sometime if you haven’t yet.

Been there, done that, had to scramble into a tight bundle of lodge poles to avoid being skewered. /daytripper (That was one ornery bull elk…)

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I think you misspelled "horny".  :-) Frank (ain’t gonna mount me) Church [snipped] Been there, done that, had to scramble into a tight bundle of lodge poles to avoid being skewered. /daytripper (That was one ornery bull elk…)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing to whet the appetite for a ‘Clave like a rousing success of a ‘Clave and Bruce’s San Juan ‘Clave was certainly that. I’m thinking the first full week of August, Sunday the 5th to Saturday the 11th. We’d have to get going pretty quickly on reservations, the Park fills up early. Any interest ? Ken please count me in on this Clave….it will be my first and I can kill two birds with one stone!  Attend my first Clave and get the wife to Yellowstone.

Did anyone else notice the red flag?

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like those short drives.  It’s only about 5 hours from home:)

It is a lot longer drive from Dallas, but I would be willing. It would be nice if the clave was either the week before or the week after the FFFconclave in Livingston. My greatest regret of 2000 is not being able to make the Montana clave.. Big Dale

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I’d opt for the last week in August, if it be August at all. Hoppers, cooler temperatures, and hopefully less crowded. I vote for a Western first part of Sept. after the kiddies have gone back to school.

Well, sure, that’s great, if you don’t have to be there at school to teach the kiddies! I would be seriously hot to go to a Yellowstone Clave in August, although the third or fourth week of August would be best for me, as I plan to be in British Columbia for the first half of Aug (see my other post), and would likely be driving back through Montana about that time. I did have the opportunity to camp out in Yellowstone for 10 days in September once, though, and it was one of the most memorable trips of my life.  The elk are in full rut, and are right in the campgrounds.  Makes it a little hard to sleep when a monster bull is bugling right outside the tent, but it is very exciting.  You owe it to yourself to go there in the fall sometime if you haven’t yet. Kevin

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Any interest ?

Count me in. KR

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Nothing to whet the appetite for a ‘Clave like a rousing success of a ‘Clave and Bruce’s San Juan ‘Clave was certainly that.

<Snip I’m thinking the first full week of August, Sunday the 5th to Saturday the 11th. We’d have to get going pretty quickly on reservations, the Park fills up early. Any interest ?

Ken please count me in on this Clave….it will be my first and I can kill two birds with one stone!  Attend my first Clave and get the wife to Yellowstone. Ed "Luckyboy" Bleck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Ken Fortenberry

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With all these claves coming up in the next year it might be a good idea to put an agenda somewhere on the web in order to keep track of what’s happening where, when, who to contact and how to get there. Maybe a good reason to revive www.roff.org? Herman

So far there’s talk (and more) about September in Maine, May in PA, and I think Michigan in March/April. – but I could be wrong.  A list with dates on a site would be a good idea. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree.  Based on several years’ experience (although I haven’t been there since 95), it will be much more pleasant after Labor Day.  There will still be a good number of other folks fishing, but it won’t be the madhouse August is.  Fishing is great throughout September. JR I’d opt for the last week in August, if it be August at all. Hoppers, cooler temperatures, and hopefully less crowded. I vote for a Western first part of Sept. after the kiddies have gone back to school.

  Two years ago we packed into Slough Creek, campground 8.  Before we went in we had some time to spend driving around Yellowstone and fishing a few creeks.  Some places were crowded, some weren’t.  One of the nicest fish I caught was in Soda Butte creek.  It was a short walk and no other people.   After Labor Day, my wife and I drove through the park both going and coming from a visit to friends in Stephensville, MT.  The streams were packed!  I visited Bud Lilly’s fly shop and the first thing the guy behind the counter said to me is, "If you’re here to book a guide, we’re full up for the next several weeks."  I guess everyone had the idea to wait until the kids were back in school.   In spite of this—have a clave and I’ll try to make it.  I like those short drives.  It’s only about 5 hours from home:) Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Any interest ?

Me. Joel Axelrad

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I’d opt for the last week in August, if it be August at all. Hoppers, cooler temperatures, and hopefully less crowded.

I vote for a Western first part of Sept. after the kiddies have gone back to school. Willi

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I agree.  Based on several years’ experience (although I haven’t been there since 95), it will be much more pleasant after Labor Day.  There will still be a good number of other folks fishing, but it won’t be the madhouse August is.  Fishing is great throughout September. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d opt for the last week in August, if it be August at all. Hoppers, cooler temperatures, and hopefully less crowded. I vote for a Western first part of Sept. after the kiddies have gone back to school.

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With all these claves coming up in the next year it might be a good idea to put an agenda somewhere on the web in order to keep track of what’s happening where, when, who to contact and how to get there. Maybe a good reason to revive www.roff.org? Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing to whet the appetite for a ‘Clave like a rousing success of a ‘Clave and Bruce’s San Juan ‘Clave was certainly that. We’ve got Wolfie’s steelhead expedition in late March early April, Tom’s Spring ‘Clave on the legendary limestone creeks of Pennsylvania in May, but nothing planned yet for anything west of the Mississip’ during the summer of 2001. Charlie & Willi were making noises about a Colorado ‘Clave and that would be great, but I was thinking a ‘Clave in Yellowstone National Park might be worth considering. If we stayed up in Mammoth Hot Springs we’d be within easy driving distance of Soda Butte, Lamar, Slough Creek and literally miles and miles of decent trout water. I’m thinking the first full week of August, Sunday the 5th to Saturday the 11th. We’d have to get going pretty quickly on reservations, the Park fills up early. Any interest ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Last week in August, first week in September – whenever the fishing is good and the crowds are lowest; count me in! Bob in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Had to miss last year,s western clave, but I,m interested in going out in August.  Indian Joe   Wilmington N.C

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Nothing to whet the appetite for a ‘Clave like a rousing success of a ‘Clave and Bruce’s San Juan ‘Clave was certainly that. We’ve got Wolfie’s steelhead expedition in late March early April, Tom’s Spring ‘Clave on the legendary limestone creeks of Pennsylvania in May, but nothing planned yet for anything west of the Mississip’ during the summer of 2001. Charlie & Willi were making noises about a Colorado ‘Clave and that would be great, but I was thinking a ‘Clave in Yellowstone National Park might be worth considering. If we stayed up in Mammoth Hot Springs we’d be within easy driving distance of Soda Butte, Lamar, Slough Creek and literally miles and miles of decent trout water. I’m thinking the first full week of August, Sunday the 5th to Saturday the 11th. We’d have to get going pretty quickly on reservations, the Park fills up early. Any interest ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Had to miss last year,s western clave, but I,m interested in going out in August.  Indian Joe   Wilmington N.C

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing to whet the appetite for a ‘Clave like a rousing success of a ‘Clave and Bruce’s San Juan ‘Clave was certainly that. We’ve got Wolfie’s steelhead expedition in late March early April, Tom’s Spring ‘Clave on the legendary limestone creeks of Pennsylvania in May, but nothing planned yet for anything west of the Mississip’ during the summer of 2001. Charlie & Willi were making noises about a Colorado ‘Clave and that would be great, but I was thinking a ‘Clave in Yellowstone National Park might be worth considering. If we stayed up in Mammoth Hot Springs we’d be within easy driving distance of Soda Butte, Lamar, Slough Creek and literally miles and miles of decent trout water. I’m thinking the first full week of August, Sunday the 5th to Saturday the 11th. We’d have to get going pretty quickly on reservations, the Park fills up early. Any interest ?

I’d opt for the last week in August, if it be August at all. Hoppers, cooler temperatures, and hopefully less crowded. I include the Madison, Henry’s Lake, the Gallatin, etc, in "Yellowstone". Going all that way might as well hit the biggies… /daytripper (Gonna think about it)

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I will be on Amelia Island and have some opportunity to fish on Dec3-5, 2000.  Any information on the fishing there at that time will be appreciated.  I could fish on my own or with a guide, if anyone has suggestions.  Thanks for the help. Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be on Amelia Island and have some opportunity to fish on Dec3-5, 2000.  Any information on the fishing there at that time will be appreciated.  I could fish on my own or with a guide, if anyone has suggestions.  Thanks for the help. Steve

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I am planning a trip to the Escalante/ Otter creek reservoir area  next month. anyone know of a good shop and/or guide for Fly fishing that area. thanks , Glenn T.

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Yeah, try this guy. Fished with him at Lees Ferry and he will put you on fish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to the Escalante/ Otter creek reservoir area  next month. anyone know of a good shop and/or guide for Fly fishing that area. thanks , Glenn T.

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    Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’

Alabama Hills (very hot in summer) Mono Lake Lee Vining Creek Yosemite Hot Creek Use your eyes and you will find plenty. — http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/

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Having just gotten back from there I would add Bodie state park if you like ghost towns. I would also recommend a couple of sites at mono lake 1.  The south toufa (sp?) walk and tour 2.  The panum crater walk and tour. of course you can’t go wrong with anything in Yosemite. Make sure you have a place to stay before you go. btb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’ Alabama Hills (very hot in summer) Mono Lake Lee Vining Creek Yosemite Hot Creek Use your eyes and you will find plenty. — http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/

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(2) Best guide book for photo trip to Eastern Sierra    Any feedback/suggestions are appreciated. Ronald

Take a look at California’s Eastern Sierra, A Vistor’s Guide by Sue Irwin (Cachuma Press). Good photos and info and only $18. Claude

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Ronald, The Eastern Sierra is beautiful any time ofyear or day.  I suggest starting at one end of the Owens Valley and work your way through it, using your imagination.  You will no doubt find some spots of your own that are just as good or better than any that can be recommended. Bob Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Come on over to my website and check out my sections on Mono Lake, Rock Creek, and the White Mountains. That will give you some ideas for shooting. I have some commentary there also in the different sections pertaining to those locations. http://www.californiapictures.com It is a good time now to shoot wildflowers in Mammoth Lakes. Go to Reds Meadow early, I mean early or you can’t drive your car. They will make you ride the trams after 6:30AM. They are trying to keep the traffic out. Dale Proctor * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Everyone has talked about Mono Lake, personally I haven’t been there, been close.  That is on a list of to-go places, however, I’ve been to Bodie which is a ghost town.  I think it is one of the nicest ghost towns that I’ve been to and would recommend it to others. Would need to gage your timing for lighting, etc. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Hi, Mono Lake is, without question, unique. But there are many other places of charm and beauty. On the web, start at http://www.395.com  This will give you links to about every place you’ll want to visit. It all depends on your tastes of course. In the Mammoth Lakes area, there are many opportunities to shoot wild flowers. Also consider Devil’s Postpile and Rainbow falls. The lakes basin is also nice with long and short hikes of various degrees of difficulty. The Mammoth Ranger Station can be very helpful! South of Mammoth Lakes you will find Convict Lake (morning shot), Hot Creek geo-thermal area (and fly fishing), McGee creek, and Little Lakes Valley. Little Lakes Valley is a very nice walk, spectacular at times, and not too strenuous, despite the high elevation. North of Mammoth is Lundy Canyon, fantastic in the fall.  The June Lake loop is another possibiliby, just south of Lee Vining. Lee Vining is, of course, where you will find Mono Lake as well as the eastern entrance to Yosemite via Tioga Pass. This is a fantastic road, an engineering feat (and perfectly safe), with grand vistas to the east. Tuolomne Meadows, just a few miles inside the park will give you a taste of granit domes. Before the park entrace is a road to the right (north) that takes you to Saddle Bag Lake. North of Lee Vining, about 5 mi before you get to Bridgeport, is the turn off to Bodie. Great pictures here! But watch the sun. The park is open from 9:00 am to 7:00 pm in the summer. You can shoot in August until about 10:30 am and then again after about 3:30. When the sun is low you get wonderful colors in the wooden buildings. When the sun is high, you can try to take some interiors through windows. Shooting anywhere in the Eastern Sierra generally requires a polarizer (but be careful; if you polarize to strongly the sky will turn almost black). Also, because of the altitude and thin atmosphere there is a lot of blue coming through. A 81A or 81B (better) will give you truer colors. One last tip. Watch the dust! A lot of it is pumice and it can scratch your glass. (Actually pumice is the foam form of the black obsidion, which is  volcanic glass.)  If you are interested, I have a section on Bodie on my webpage with links to other sites. (I’m in the process of re-doing the sections on Sierra Wild Flowers and the Eastern Sierra.)  http://toms_place_2.tripod.com Enjoy your trip! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’ (2) Best guide book for photo trip to Eastern Sierra     Any feedback/suggestions are appreciated. Ronald

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     Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’ (2) Best guide book for photo trip to Eastern Sierra     Any feedback/suggestions are appreciated. Ronald

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Mono LAke. If it is no #1 then it is #2 or 3. Shoot at sunrise. GO th day before to scope out the area then come back for sunrise. With a little luch you will have clouds inte western sky andit will explode with color. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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     Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’

Besides putting Mono Lake at the top of the list, here are some ideas in no particular order: – Mono Lake   See my "East of the Sierra" web gallery for some images from Mono Lake   (http://www.designsinlight.com/gallery.htm) – Alambama Hills   Near Lone Pine and Mt. Whitney, and where many westerns were shot. – White & Inyo Mountains – Bristlecone Pine forest   Some of the oldest living things in the world (4000+ years) and very cool looking   Some info: http://www.sonic.net/bristlecone/WhiteMts.html – Bodie ghost town – June Lake One meteorlogical feature to keep an eye out for is lenticular clouds. They form where there is a strong, steady wind blowing over mountains, in places like Owens Valley east of the Sierra Nevada. They can make for some spectacular skies, especially at sunrise or sunset. Have fun! It’s a beautiful part of the world. gene — Gene Anderson http://www.designsinlight.com/

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