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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

FWIW, if I were you I would consider hiring a guide for a day or two. Your trout equipment is going to be unsuitable in the salt due to salt water corrosion problems. In addition it is not uncommon to hook fish that run a long way, and without sufficient backing, you are likely to lose a fly line as well as ruin a reel.  A guide will help you with your casting which probably is going to be in windy conditions. Casting is much different in salt water conditions. I have no monetary connections with guides, but some of the best money I have ever spent was for guides when I was visiting in unfamiliar places and fishing unknown waters. Give ROFF a report when you get back.

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Try contacting Gordon Churchill, a local guide in that area at http://www.geocities.com/capt_gordon/ .  He’s a good fellow and has always provided good information whether you hire him or not.   Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

http://www.google.de/search?q=NC+Cedar+Banks+fishing&hl=de&meta= Turned up over five thousand hits.  Must be at least a few with exactly the info you want. TL MC

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Purely out of curiosity, I checked a few, sounds pretty good. http://www.coastalguide.com/packet/fishing01.htm http://www.icw-net.com/fish.htm http://www.outerbanks.com/fishing/fishcal.htm http://www.ufish.com/regions/_nc.htm#COASTAL These were all from the first hit. Wish I was going with you. TL MC

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Thank you everyone for the replies. I E-mailed Capt. Churchill and am going to give serious thought to hiring him. Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try contacting Gordon Churchill, a local guide in that area at http://www.geocities.com/capt_gordon/ .  He’s a good fellow and has always provided good information whether you hire him or not.   Tom I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I’m just trying to figure out where there’s *any* flyfishing near the Frying Pan river. I lived there for 15 years and all I ever saw was a liquid golf course. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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The Green through Wyoming has far fewer fish per mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers.

I would humbly suggest a copy of the book "A River No More" so you can appreciate fully your understatement. Your pal, — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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I’m just trying to figure out where there’s *any* flyfishing near the Frying Pan river. I lived there for 15 years and all I ever saw was a liquid golf course.

Liquid Golf Course, eh?  I suppose to each is own!  I admit I was never crazy about fishing the Frying Pan right at the dam.  You almost spend more time cleaning up trash than working the river.  Some good size fish that have been hooked to death.  But then again any tailwater that has such a limited flow will exhibit such problems to the fish.  The Taylor, Frying Pan, Williams Fork, and the South Platte all come to mind.   Let’s not forget the great opportunities Colorado offers for the fly fisherman.  So many fisherman drive past some incredible freestone rivers to get to what some call the Disney Parks of fly fishing.  But to each is own and who am I to judge?  I fished as many rivers as possible and I enjoyed the unique view each one had to offer. A liquid gold course to one guy is a dream vacation to another… — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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A liquid gold course to one guy is a dream vacation to another…

That, my friend, was a ‘precious’ misspelling. — A Cash Flow Runs Through It

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A liquid gold course to one guy is a dream vacation to another… That, my friend, was a ‘precious’ misspelling.

Very metallic to say the least. — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Willi would have us believe: The tailwater section below Flaming Gorge is a "destination" fishing area. Many fish per mile, large fish, but lots of people. The Green through [some godforsaken wilderness] has far fewer fish per

mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers.

The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. There are other parts of the Green that you’ll hear (tormented) people discuss once in a while, but all the fish are long gone. A bunch of white bastards showed up from Montana and loaded them into ice chests and hauled them away in their pickup trucks. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. There are other parts of the Green that you’ll hear (tormented) people discuss once in a while, but all the fish are long gone. A bunch of white bastards showed up from Montana and loaded them into ice chests and hauled them away in their pickup trucks.

Rusty,   Information just in the nick of time.  I was planning on going to those "other parts" but, now that I know there are no fish there, I’ll go to the Flaming Gorge section instead:) Snoop —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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That section of the gorge supports boating, does it not? I have a 20′ whaler I want to boat with, camp. cruise..etc.. is it possible to camp this section, and hike to the good fly spots?….How far away would you estimate the loading ramps & parking lot for trailers to be? thanx for info… richard colorado – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Willi would have us believe: The tailwater section below Flaming Gorge is a "destination" fishing area. Many fish per mile, large fish, but lots of people. The Green through [some godforsaken wilderness] has far fewer fish per mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers. The Flaming Gorge section of the Green is the best part of the river and that’s where Everyone should go. There are other parts of the Green that you’ll hear (tormented) people discuss once in a while, but all the fish are long gone. A bunch of white bastards showed up from Montana and loaded them into ice chests and hauled them away in their pickup trucks. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

Absofragginlutely.  Once you cross into Wyoming, there is narry a fish to be seen in the Green. Craig A. Gullixson National Solar Observatory/Sac. Peak    PHONE: (505) 434-7065 Sunspot, NM 88349 USA                   FAX: (505) 434-7029

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That section of the gorge supports boating, does it not? I have a 20′ whaler I want to boat with, camp. cruise..etc.. is it possible to camp this section, and hike to the good fly spots?….How far away would you estimate the loading ramps & parking lot for trailers to be?

I don’t know what a 20 foot whaler is but it sounds like it would be overkill on the river. There is alot of floating done on the river in drift boats, rafts and even some bellyboats. There are several campgrounds in the area but I believe that in that section of the river, camping is only allowed in the designated campgrounds. There are easy trails up and down the river. Willi

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is the section you are referring to "below the dam" or "above the dam" ? the 20′ whaler is a pretty big, heavy boat…not for small to med streams…more lakes & large rivers…(& ocean).. thanx.. richard colorado – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That section of the gorge supports boating, does it not? I have a 20′ whaler I want to boat with, camp. cruise..etc.. is it possible to camp this section, and hike to the good fly spots?….How far away would you estimate the loading ramps & parking lot for trailers to be? I don’t know what a 20 foot whaler is but it sounds like it would be overkill on the river. There is alot of floating done on the river in drift boats, rafts and even some bellyboats. There are several campgrounds in the area but I believe that in that section of the river, camping is only allowed in the designated campgrounds. There are easy trails up and down the river. Willi

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is the section you are referring to "below the dam" or "above the dam" ?

Below the dam. You like Cheeseman, so I think you’d really like the fishing there. Plentiful, big fish that you can usually sight fish. I’ve only fished it once and that was late Fall. I was able to get water to myself. From what I understand, it’s not as crowded as Cheeseman but close, especially during prime time. Hatches are much more varied than Cheeseman. The canyon is quite scenic and there quite a few miles of "quality" water. Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder. Not sure I follow you…  I wouldn’t drive from Klamath Falls to Colorado Springs via the Bighorn. You commented on the crowds not being too bad on the Bighorn. Then you picked what are probably the two most heavilly fished rivers between Klamath Falls and Colorado Springs for the guy to fish.

Well I didn’t suggest the South Platte!  That would rank in the top 3, for sure.  I also didn’t hot spot some other quality areas that fish really well that time of year.  A couple of spots in Utah and a number of areas in Colorado. The Arkansas and Eagle are most likely blown out during that period of time, so suggesting those rivers would be pointless.  The Raddy, Poudre, and Big T, might also suffer from runoff problemos. What else?  Well he could make a trip over to the Taylor River, the Yampa below Stagecoach reservoir, and a final stop at the Williams Fork and/or Blue River.  Steamboat would be beautiful in late May and worth a night of relaxation. He could also take the very southern route and hit Lee’s Ferry and the San Juan!  Two great tailwaters.  The San Juan might have a good flow during late May, but that of course depends upon the final snowpack which isn’t looking so hot in that area right now.  Durango would make a fine stop for a night.  The Animas in Durango is a great fishery, but once again that May runoff could be a problemo. Want to stay north of 40 Lat?  OK.  Try the Henry’s Fork, Snake, Beaverhead, Missouri, or the BIGHORN!  Heck, If I have a drift boat by then(doubtful) I will even take you down the river!  We could split the rental on drift boat if you would like.  $100 a day.  Drop south on I25/I90 and hit Grey Reef and the Miracle Mile before you reach the metro area cooridor from Ft Collins to Pueblo. So many hatches, so many rivers, and such little time! — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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thanx for the info…i’ll get a map and check it out… richard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is the section you are referring to "below the dam" or "above the dam" ? Below the dam. You like Cheeseman, so I think you’d really like the fishing there. Plentiful, big fish that you can usually sight fish. I’ve only fished it once and that was late Fall. I was able to get water to myself. From what I understand, it’s not as crowded as Cheeseman but close, especially during prime time. Hatches are much more varied than Cheeseman. The canyon is quite scenic and there quite a few miles of "quality" water. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder. Not sure I follow you…  I wouldn’t drive from Klamath Falls to Colorado Springs via the Bighorn.

You commented on the crowds not being too bad on the Bighorn. Then you picked what are probably the two most heavilly fished rivers between Klamath Falls and Colorado Springs for the guy to fish. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

In the water, of course. /daytripper (This ain’t no shuttle launch.  ;-)

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder.

Not sure I follow you…  I wouldn’t drive from Klamath Falls to Colorado Springs via the Bighorn.   — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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what part/or location is good on the green river? anyone fished up near flaming gorge nat’l park? good fishing up that way? thanx… richard colorado

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. Paul — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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what part/or location is good on the green river? anyone fished up near flaming gorge nat’l park? good fishing up that way?

Depends on what you call good fishing: The tailwater section below Flaming Gorge is a "destination" fishing area. Many fish per mile, large fish, but lots of people. The Green through Wyoming has far fewer fish per mile but the fishery is much more wild and in many stretches there are very few anglers. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork. Paul — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

One more thing!  Be aware of runoff in late May!  Depending upon the final snowpack, nearly all the non-tailwater fisheries will be blown out. Paul — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish? I would suggest a stop at the Green River and then the Glenwood Springs area where you could fish the Frying Pan and Roaring Fork.

And in your last post you were commenting that the Bighorn wasn’t so bad…. no wonder. Willi

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Hey group just a friendly question, I will be driving from Klamath Falls Oregon to Colorado Springs Colorado in late May and have several days to fish in route. Where would you fish?

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

Deer Lake and Pacific Ocean donaldduck

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

Deer Lake and Pacific Ocean. donaldduck

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Granville Island Market

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Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver?

Vancouver Island renee

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http://www.predatorcharters.com http://www.thefishingclub.com/ http://www.guidebc.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know where is the best fishing place in Vancouver? Deer Lake and Pacific Ocean. donaldduck

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Try Fred’s Fishing Adventures out of Chilliwack.  Outstanding for Sturgeon, Salmon and Steelhead.  Fished with him last Sunday, great trip.  Fly fishing for Pinks a little later in the summer should be outstanding!!! http://www.freds-bc.com/ — <*))))< Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ spam block x

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There’s only one answer here: www.troutflies.com ROFF’s own Harry Mason sets a standard which few (if any) flytying sites can ever meet. Herman Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Mike Connor "used" to have a very decent flytying site,  but it seems to have moved,  or otherwise become defunct,  as my browsers reliably give me the German version of "not here mate!".  I personally would like to see MC’s site again, and would wholeheartedly recommend  it whenever it should appear again (as being a good flyfishing info. site) :  what’s the score Mike? Hoping to browse again  (most particularly your tying of the S&P!) Mike. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

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Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

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http://www.virtualflybox.com/ http://www.killroys.com/ http://www.jacksonholenet.com/guyturck/ http://tie-1-on.net/ http://www.troutflies.com/new_index/_store_index.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://www.btsflyfishing.com/ http://globalflyfisher.com/index.html http://nottingham-flydressers.4t.com/ http://www.umpqua.com/ http://www.magiclink.com/web/wesn/index.html Hope that helps some. Warren

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

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Keith, My vote goes to           flyanglersonline.com Great step by step tutorials for both a beginners and  intermediate tying "class", plus a "fly of the week". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.virtualflybox.com/ http://www.killroys.com/ http://www.jacksonholenet.com/guyturck/ http://tie-1-on.net/ http://www.troutflies.com/new_index/_store_index.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://www.btsflyfishing.com/ http://globalflyfisher.com/index.html http://nottingham-flydressers.4t.com/ http://www.umpqua.com/ http://www.magiclink.com/web/wesn/index.html Hope that helps some. Warren Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

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Beeswax, among other various uses, is one of the few materials used for lining moulds etc in the food  and confectionery trades for preventing particularly sticky sweets from sticking. They are known as release, or separation agents.  Glue is not used for this purpose. Bees use wax as a construction material, not as a glue. The whole construction of the comb is pure wax.  Glue is a foreign substance used to join similar or dissimilar materials. Paraffin wax is used for similar purposes to beeswax in other areas. Practically nothing will stick to a polished wax surface. Both of these waxes, and indeed a number of other substances may be used to prevent ferrules "binding". In this sense they are used partly as lubricants, and partly as solid separating agents. Binding ( in the case of carbon fibre, and other rod ferrules),is invariably caused by a substance rubbing against an identical substance, especially when the joint is tapered.    Wax of practically any sort will prevent this for varying periods of time, depending on how often the joint is used. Hard white wax works best, lasts longest, and is cheap and  convenient to use. Solid beeswax will stick to more or less nothing apart from itself, and only then when it is warm enough to melt, and the same applies to solid paraffin wax.  Most especially so, when polished after application. Liquid waxes, and other substances used for lubrication, like various oils etc, will indeed stick to things, trap dust, grit etc, and the lubricant coat providing the separation of surfaces will break down much more rapidly, simply because it will flow away. Hard polished wax will neither stick to things, nor will it flow away.  It is also intrinsically waterproof. This makes it ideal for treating ferrules. Some info on wax may be obtained here: http://www.wetestit.com/wax.htm Personally I don

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Kevin;         As one of the ROFF skulkers who occasionally squeaks out a word or two, I would like to answer your question with a question.  That is, can you sign this insurance paper for me?  Please don’t take the good rods with you, just leave them at home along side a recent will naming me your beneficiary.        I’ve been in and out, through and under float tubes around the world, if there is a way of screwing up your life with a tube, I’ve done it.  ANY MOVING WATER FASTER THAN 1/2 MILE AN HOUR CAN KILL YOU.  You will be amazed at how much pressure moving water can put on you when you are hung on a snag.  Yes, you may be strong and virile, but cold water saps strength quickly and something that is a minor problem at the start of the day will do you in at the end of the day.        There is a river in England that flows just north of Cambridge and runs into the North Sea.  This river is called (seriously) the Great Ouse. Ouse actually is an ancient word meaning river.  It is so slow (it has many locks to keep it that way), that you can paddle up stream in a tube with a bit of difficulty, but it can be done.   After a day of fishing this wonderful pike and chub Mecca, my tube got caught on a bit of rebar that was still encased in cement.  Normally I would have just pushed off of it, but I was so cold and tired that I ended up cutting my saddle out with my emergency knife (always carry a serrated edge folding knife in your life vest or fly vest.  They will save your life.) and sliding through the bottom.  I swam to shore and shivered until some coarse fishermen came to my rescue.      We always fish until we can’t fish anymore, till we can barely move our arms, till climbing one more bank will give us a coronary.  We are men so we work past the pain ’cause we’re having fun.  Add the strength and endurance sapping abilities of cold water, mix in a bit of fluid dynamics and voila, one more float tubing widow using that Sage as a tomato stake.      Yeh, this story was a bit of a downer, but I want to hear the story of how many fish you caught when you get back.                                                         Frank Reid

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Ok I’m convinced.  Thank you for saving me from making a very silly mistake! I’ll take a look at pontoon boats. I think they’re a couple of hundred more than a belly boat though, so I may just settle for bellying in lakes this year.

Actually if you look at pontoons that are made for moving water they are way more than a couple of hundred more. I’ve got a friend who guides in them and he has a hobie and an outcast. the hobies are no good for rivers according to him, and he wouldn’t risk his life in one, his outcast pac 9 however, is very safe. The downside is a pac 9 is about $1000 us. Flyfish

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Kevin, Check out the new Water Skeeter Pontoon boats at http://www.finecast.net/ws/wsindex.html Fine Cast

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Suicidal?  Likely.  While most of the Bow in and downstream from Calgary looks pretty benign, there are a lot of sunken snags and sweepers which you WILL catch your dangling feet on, and get rolled under by.  I would approach with extreme caution, and the higher you are out of the water, the better. Besides, a float tube will not be able to be manoeuvered as quickly as a pontoon or proper drift boat, so you’ll end up floating through and right by many nice runs.  Go rent a ‘toon, and have a better time.

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Ok I’m convinced.  Thank you for saving me from making a very silly mistake! I’ll take a look at pontoon boats. I think they’re a couple of hundred more than a belly boat though, so I may just settle for bellying in lakes this year. My Uncle lives in Ely, near Cambridge and I’ve fished the Ouse (I think it was was Ouse anyway), back when I was fishing for Dace, Chub, Bream and Gudgeon (caught a lot of eels instead) with maggots, cheese, sausage and using float and ledger rods (the English way of fishing!) It’s funny I tried really hard to fish english style when I came to Canada but had almost no luck. This fish are different here!  I took up Fly fishing and haven’t looked back, although I do have fond memories of sitting by the canal with a double maggot/caster combination, checking the lie of the float and all that good stuff! Cheers Kevin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin;         As one of the ROFF skulkers who occasionally squeaks out a word or two, I would like to answer your question with a question.  That is, can you sign this insurance paper for me?  Please don’t take the good rods with you, just leave them at home along side a recent will naming me your beneficiary.        I’ve been in and out, through and under float tubes around the world, if there is a way of screwing up your life with a tube, I’ve done it.  ANY MOVING WATER FASTER THAN 1/2 MILE AN HOUR CAN KILL YOU.  You will be amazed at how much pressure moving water can put on you when you are hung on a snag.  Yes, you may be strong and virile, but cold water saps strength quickly and something that is a minor problem at the start of the day will do you in at the end of the day.        There is a river in England that flows just north of Cambridge and runs into the North Sea.  This river is called (seriously) the Great Ouse. Ouse actually is an ancient word meaning river.  It is so slow (it has many locks to keep it that way), that you can paddle up stream in a tube with a bit of difficulty, but it can be done.   After a day of fishing this wonderful pike and chub Mecca, my tube got caught on a bit of rebar that was still encased in cement.  Normally I would have just pushed off of it, but I was so cold and tired that I ended up cutting my saddle out with my emergency knife (always carry a serrated edge folding knife in your life vest or fly vest.  They will save your life.) and sliding through the bottom.  I swam to shore and shivered until some coarse fishermen came to my rescue.      We always fish until we can’t fish anymore, till we can barely move our arms, till climbing one more bank will give us a coronary.  We are men so we work past the pain ’cause we’re having fun.  Add the strength and endurance sapping abilities of cold water, mix in a bit of fluid dynamics and voila, one more float tubing widow using that Sage as a tomato stake.      Yeh, this story was a bit of a downer, but I want to hear the story of how many fish you caught when you get back.                                                         Frank Reid I’m thinking of getting a belly boat to float down the bow in.  Is this a suicidal thing to do? Would I be better off buying a (much more expensive!!!) pontoon boat? Thanks KB

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I’m thinking of getting a belly boat to float down the bow in.  Is this a suicidal thing to do? Would I be better off buying a (much more expensive!!!) pontoon boat? Thanks KB

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Don’t tell me that all of us haven’t told the occaisional little fib about where the good fishing is from time to time to keep a good spot to ourselves, or at least keep the crowd down a little. Fisherman have had a reputation for being outrageous liars since man started using worms for bait and I know we haven’t come down out of that tree yet. I have told my share in the past and i can pretty much guarantee that I will continue to do so, especially as my favorite spots become more and more crowded. Sure, the mob scene on the tailwaters can be fun, the fish still outnumber the people on most of them, but a guy has to be alone in the mountains every once in a while. John Before you buy.

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Actually although not specific, these are my close in favorites. As for fishermen lying, I’m sorry but I have no reason to lie. I actually fished a lake where the bass averaged over ten pounds(had to spool a zebco 404 with35lb test to hold them out from pilings. One bass I caught out of that lake had to have his tail bent to go in a freezer door after beheading. Unfortunately the state of Florida deemed it a dieing lake and drew it down. I caught Stump knockers out of  it on the fly. I had to use a 5wt. they went 1 to 2 pounds. Right now the speck (crappy) minimum limit is 12" for Lake Monroe. If you choose not to believe it so be it. John Popp in Sanford Fl. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t tell me that all of us haven’t told the occaisional little fib about where the good fishing is from time to time to keep a good spot to ourselves, or at least keep the crowd down a little. Fisherman have had a reputation for being outrageous liars since man started using worms for bait and I know we haven’t come down out of that tree yet. I have told my share in the past and i can pretty much guarantee that I will continue to do so, especially as my favorite spots become more and more crowded. Sure, the mob scene on the tailwaters can be fun, the fish still outnumber the people on most of them, but a guy has to be alone in the mountains every once in a while. John Before you buy.

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Karl Kortmeier, owner of Athens Fly Fishing, recently built one. He might have some advice for you. His shop number is 706-369-1797. Steve

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[snip] ’scuse my ignorance, but what is a driftboat? Are you being a smart-ass?

Er, why should Bob, or anyone in a PADDLING newsgroup, know about a specialized kind of ROWBOAT?  Especially since Bob has a Mindspring address, which is in the Southeast where oar rigs are rare because those sweeps represent a serious hazard to paddlers on our small, crowded Appalachian rivers. — Richard Hopley, concise and to the point, as always. OC-1; Rockville, Maryland, USA, BBM; (301) 330-8265 Monocacy Canoe Club, Blue Ridge Voyageurs, Canoe Cruisers’ Ass’n, Greater Baltimore CC, Coastal Canoeists, Rhode Island Canoe/Kayak Ass’n, Carolina CC, Tennessee Scenic Rivers Ass’n, ACA, and AWA Note 1: To send me eMail, remove ".NoSpam" from my address Note 2: Sometimes I just forget to type that smiley-face emoticon. Note 3: Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock’n'Roll.

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Another option at a cheaper price would be to contact Tom Counseller in Cedar Grove, IN.  He makes fiberglass dories(same as a drift boat, I think) and I have taken several of them down the Grand Canyon.  He made many of the boats you see on the New River.  I don’t know his prices exactly, but I can guarantee you could get a boat and trailer for less than $5000 from him.  Let me know if you would like the phone number. Dave Bassage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip Bob. a drift boat is a rowing dory (lots of rocker, high sides with a raised bow and stern) designed originally to trout and salmon fish the fast water rivers out west. snip some more SYOTR Larry Thanks Larry. I’m calling Hiwassee Outfitters Monday. I’ve got the number. I tried to buy one of their used boats a couple of years ago. Their business was thriving at the time and they weren’t interested. Recently there was a flurry of fishing guides in that area with driftboats. The time may be right. I really would prefer a hardside boat to an inflatable. If all else fails, I may order a kit from Tatman Boats in Oregon. Thanks again.  Steve

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I am looking to purchase a driftboat. I live in Georgia and would consider driving 500 miles max to get one.  If you know of any for sale in this area please advise. Thanks.  Steve

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I am looking to purchase a driftboat. I live in Georgia and would consider driving 500 miles max to get one.  If you know of any for sale in this area please advise. Thanks.  Steve

’scuse my ignorance, but what is a driftboat? To reply by email, remove "mapson"from my edress.

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I am looking to purchase a driftboat. I live in Georgia and would consider driving 500 miles max to get one.  If you know of any for sale in this area please advise. Thanks.  Steve ’scuse my ignorance, but what is a driftboat?

Are you being a smart-ass?   Cheers, Roger

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I am looking to purchase a driftboat. I live in Georgia and would consider driving 500 miles max Thanks.  Steve ’scuse my ignorance, but what is a driftboat?

Bob. a drift boat is a rowing dory (lots of rocker, high sides with a raised bow and stern) designed originally to trout and salmon fish the fast water rivers out west. They are also used to run big water rivers like the New and the Grand Canyon. They are becoming increasingly popular as fishing platforms in the Southeast US tailwater fisheries. Steve, the Trout guides around the Hiwassee River in Tennessee (USA) are using Drifters these days. Try Hiwassee Outfitter (sorry, no phone #), they have them for the guide service. Are you looking for a fishing boat or something to run whitewater. Take a look at inflatable "drifters" such as the Aire Super Puma or NRS Slalom. Considerably cheaper and you don’t have to trailer them. Last time I looked at a Drift Boat they were going for about $5000!!! SYOTR Larry

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snip Bob. a drift boat is a rowing dory (lots of rocker, high sides with a raised bow and stern) designed originally to trout and salmon fish the fast water rivers out west. snip some more SYOTR Larry

Thanks Larry. I’m calling Hiwassee Outfitters Monday. I’ve got the number. I tried to buy one of their used boats a couple of years ago. Their business was thriving at the time and they weren’t interested. Recently there was a flurry of fishing guides in that area with driftboats. The time may be right. I really would prefer a hardside boat to an inflatable. If all else fails, I may order a kit from Tatman Boats in Oregon. Thanks again.  Steve

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[deleted] GOOD LUCK; they’re not for the PURIST, but they can be DEADLY on our steelhead here in BC.

Roe is a natural food source and the glo bug is an imitation of the natural.  In *NO* way is this different then an imitation of a Pseudocloen or Flavalinia. Purists (?) be damned ! ‘Pure’ly hypocritical, IMNSFHO. TimW

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I tie what I call a "golden egg" Tie in led wrap, if wanted, on a wide gap hook. Tie on orange hackle for a wet fly to match the size hook (1/0 to Tie in gold mylar cheniel at butt and wrap forward and tie off. Wrap hackle forward and tie off. Whip finish head.  This fly works great for Steelhead and Salmon in California. Have fun.   Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx There are a mulititude of different versions, the easiest is a ball of chenelle on a hook.  I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair.

PERFECT instructions. Remember to use the STRONGEST thread you can find, and tie it down HARD, and I mean HARD. Then, using the SHARPEST scissors you have, grab the "parachute", pull it up, and saw the yarn off about 1/4" OR LESS from the shank. It will "flare" into a ball. REMEMBER that ALL of the material (and you don’t need much) is tied on the TOP of the hook;  there is NO material AT ALL on the bottom, at least the way I tie them, and they can be tied in about 30 seconds !!!   To get that little "DOT", I simply lay a small piece of yarn, only a few mm in diameter, on TOP of the main colour. When "parachuted", sawed and flared, that little piece becomes the dot as the ends come  up and meet. They are SO easy to tie that you’ll wonder why you had problems before. GOOD LUCK; they’re not for the PURIST, but they can be DEADLY on our steelhead here in BC. In the spring, add a little polar bear hair, seal’s fur or white ostrich plume to simlute the spent egg casings, and the cutthroat just go nuts over them  (well, at least here in BC where we have ‘Cuts and hatching salmon !!!!       ). Regards de Mikey. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You can stop here and have the simplest, quickest, who cares if you loose it fly that catches fish.  Or you can bulk it up with more wraps.   You can also trim the yarn into a small tight ball.. Some people add a little red or white etc.. to give a different look.. experiment… BTW, you used to be able to get a mixed bag of yarn with a foot of each color.. Ian

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I have recently started tying a different style of egg pattern known as the scrambled egg.  Wrap thread over the hook shank and tie a 2 – 3 inch strand of yarn to the top of the hook at the eye.  Pinch the strand between your left finger and thumb and pull your hand back towards the bend, so that the yarn slips under tension between your finger and thumb.  Pull back about 1/4 to 3/8 inch in this way, and then move your thumb and finger back up to the point where the yarn is lashed down — forming a "bubble" of yarn on top of the hook.  Wrap the thread around the shank between your fingers and the ‘bubble’.  Repeat this process three or four times, until you reach the bend of the hook, and the thread is wrapped behind the last bubble.  Now, wrap the thread forward across the rear bubble, so that the thread splits the bubble into two lateral regions, forming two bumps of yarn side by side.  Put down a wrap between the two rear most bubbles, and then move forward again, splitting the next bubble in two.  Go all the way to the front of the hook like this, so you finish with about eight ‘eggs’ side by side on top of the length of the hook.  A couple half hithces finishes it off. If you lash down two strands of yarn of different colors side by side, you can acheive a multi-colored egg cluster.  When you wrap forward with the ‘bubble splitting’ wraps, put the thread between the two colors. The attractive feature of this fly, besides the fact that it works, is that it can be tied in about 20 seconds. -Jon

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

Go to the hobby store and buy some yarn or chenile balls  in the size and color that you want.  Slid them on the hook and apply a drop of glue.  If you want take a pentel marker and add a spot of color. Pretty easy.

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

Try posting this to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Bob Jarvis Mail addresses hacked to foil automailers!

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

There are a mulititude of different versions, the easiest is a ball of chenelle on a hook.  I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair. You can stop here and have the simplest, quickest, who cares if you loose it fly that catches fish.  Or you can bulk it up with more wraps.   You can also trim the yarn into a small tight ball.. Some people add a little red or white etc.. to give a different look.. experiment… BTW, you used to be able to get a mixed bag of yarn with a foot of each color.. Ian

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair.

I usually use 3 or 4 strands to make a real tight ball when it’s trimmed.   Also, I will make one of the strands a different color to represent the egg eye (e.g., red with salmon orange egg).  Great fish catcher! -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair. I usually use 3 or 4 strands to make a real tight ball when it’s trimmed.   Also, I will make one of the strands a different color to represent the egg eye (e.g., red with salmon orange egg).  Great fish catcher!

That’s that way that I tie them too.  One of the other things that I’ve done is to take a few wisps of white marabou and tie them just in front of the egg.  I’m not sure if it simulates part of the egg sac or an egg that has been fertilized but it seem to work well. Someone asked about how to tie an erzats (sp/) egg awhile back and I don’t think I ever saw an answer.  I fooled around with some of that sparkle chennile that’s used in an erzats egg awhile back and just couldn’t figure out how they are done. John Fereira

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If you learn how to accomplish this, I would appreciate a note so I can also acquire access.  Thanks.

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But how does one subscribe?  I can’t do it through NetNews.  And I’d like to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chan) writes: To unsubscribe, send the following message to the listerver:    UNSUBSCRIBE FLYFISH You’ll get a lot of mail, but if you want to get just one file with a summary of the previous day’s messages, type    SET FLYFISH DIGEST

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