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What are your best colors to make deerhair poppers and why? What size hook do you find the best? Have a great day, go fly fishing! Tight lines Craig Moore The English Fly Fishing Shop www.flyfishing-flies.com < < < < < < <

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Both questions depend on what type of terrestrial bait you are imitating with the deer hair popper….   Early in the year there are a lot of green grasshoppers around and later in the year most grasshoppers you see out are darker colors.  Check your local areas to find out whats local that may be imitated by the poppers and go from there.

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I am new to fly fishing and just learning to tie I took up fly fishing just to learn to make a 7 year locust.  (Zakadia?) Does anyone know of a pattern? — Highlander

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I think you guys might have stumbled into the wrong newsgroup. Bass fisherman don’t normally tie lures. You might want to try alt.fly-tying or something else. — Jerry Barton Be nice to your kids, they get to pick your nursing home. http://members.home.net/jbarton248/

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Take a look around this search (the spelling is "cicada"), and see if you can find anything. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fly+tying+cicada+pattern Jamie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to fly fishing and just learning to tie I took up fly fishing just to learn to make a 7 year locust.  (Zakadia?) Does anyone know of a pattern?

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Not.  In the past  I have  used fly’s on a spinning bubble I use anything for bass I am a all around fisherman and fish for pure pleasure In the past I was die hard bass man I use purple worms, Rapalas, and jitter bugs, and now use any weapon in my arsenal including a fly rod. I probably dont catch as many fish as I could But there is something about that water exploding with top water I love. Largest fish to date in southern Indiana stripper pits 7.5 Lb largemouth with my sons in the boat banging their toy trucks on the bottom in a clear lake (15 foot deep) around noon. So much for the rules I tried for years to get my wife interested and couldn’t Two years ago I finally got her out and on the second cast she caught a 6.5 pound bass Did I create a monster If I could only get her to put on her own crickets for gills I have found the postings on changing the hooks interesting. I started checking the sharpness several years ago and increased my catch by double Years ago I was fishing a pit off of a hill. I could see this bass following my worm. He followed it to shore where the only thing I could do was drop it pause and twitch. That sucker grabbed it ran dived come out of the water with a tail walk and spit it out. Dull hooks  Id give a hundred dollars for the vidio — Highlander

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What brought this line up was years ago I got in the middle of a seven year locust hatch. We were using them for bait As fast as they hit the water they was gone Bass gill crappie. I had to quit fishing because my hands were bleeding from taking fish off the hook. Could stand some more of that. One time occurrence — Highlander

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The two most popular patterns are a basically all black hairbug and then a frog pattern (green on top and yellow on bottom) then put rubber legs out the sides and neck hackles out the back. Not too big and not too small. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Parked at the Point Pleasant park (space for three cars), and decided to follow the Tohickon Creek down to the River.  Got there, and Oops! Forgot it was Saturday.  The river was packed with folks in inner tubes.  Personal watercraft zipped and roared back and forth between them.  Boaters went up and down the river, kids stood on the shore throwing rocks into the water.  Crowd of folks upstream having a party; cans and styrofoam cups floating downstream. Naturally, I decided to stay and fish. How do the fish respond to this kind of pressure on a sunny afternoon? Hide out and wait until evening to feed?  Apparently not all of them. Caught 6 smallmouth in about an hour and a quarter.  The biggest – 14" – caught right in the wake of a powerboat.  Go figure. Headed back upstream, and caught a nice redbreast sunfish under the new aqueduct.  (The aqueduct carries the Delaware canal over the Tohickon Creek.) And that’s that. Timothy Juvenal

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When fishing navigable rivers, it often pays handsomely to cast into the wake of boats. There are a number of reasons for this. Boats will stir up the bottom dislodging food, and this attracts fish.  Quite often, a power boat will hit a shoal of small fish, and this invariably results in a few being killed or damaged. The predatory fish are used to this occurence, and will actually "home in" on powerboats, hoping for a free meal.  This behaviour is especially noticeable with Pike and Zander.

This is true of muskellenge as well.  In fact a very effective technique employs the use of large plugs being trolled in the propeller wash of a boat running between 5 and 7 knots.  It’s called speed-trolling.  It’s outlawed in the state of Wisconsin. Mu

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Naturally, I decided to stay and fish. Brave and dedicated! Caught 6 smallmouth in about an hour and a quarter.  The biggest – 14" – caught right in the wake of a powerboat.  Go figure. I used to make some of my best largemouth catches from a johnboat after the big guys whizzed by.  I figured the big engines’ wakes just scared them over to me and they were happy to see a friendly lure waiting for them. Strange phenomenon — glad you got to avail yourself of it. Sandy

When fishing navigable rivers, it often pays handsomely to cast into the wake of boats. There are a number of reasons for this. Boats will stir up the bottom dislodging food, and this attracts fish.  Quite often, a power boat will hit a shoal of small fish, and this invariably results in a few being killed or damaged. The predatory fish are used to this occurence, and will actually "home in" on powerboats, hoping for a free meal.  This behaviour is especially noticeable with Pike and Zander. I have no experience of bass, but it would seem safe to assume that the reasons are similar. TL MC

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for this. Boats will stir up the bottom dislodging food, and this attracts fish.  Quite often, a power boat will hit a shoal of small fish, and this invariably results in a few being killed or damaged. The predatory fish are used to this occurence, and will actually "home in" on powerboats, hoping for a free meal.  This behaviour is especially noticeable with Pike and Zander. I have no experience of bass, but it would seem safe to assume that the reasons are similar.

I have found that bald eagles will follow my canoe as I go down river (never follow when I’m going up), but only the local eagles. Any that are migrating are generally too shy of people.  And they’ll keep a good eye on, though not follow, power boats going by if I’m in that section of the river. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Naturally, I decided to stay and fish.

Brave and dedicated! Caught 6 smallmouth in about an hour and a quarter.  The biggest – 14" – caught right in the wake of a powerboat.  Go figure.

I used to make some of my best largemouth catches from a johnboat after the big guys whizzed by.  I figured the big engines’ wakes just scared them over to me and they were happy to see a friendly lure waiting for them.  Strange phenomenon — glad you got to avail yourself of it. Sandy

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There’s only one answer here: www.troutflies.com ROFF’s own Harry Mason sets a standard which few (if any) flytying sites can ever meet. Herman Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Mike Connor "used" to have a very decent flytying site,  but it seems to have moved,  or otherwise become defunct,  as my browsers reliably give me the German version of "not here mate!".  I personally would like to see MC’s site again, and would wholeheartedly recommend  it whenever it should appear again (as being a good flyfishing info. site) :  what’s the score Mike? Hoping to browse again  (most particularly your tying of the S&P!) Mike. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

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Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

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http://www.virtualflybox.com/ http://www.killroys.com/ http://www.jacksonholenet.com/guyturck/ http://tie-1-on.net/ http://www.troutflies.com/new_index/_store_index.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://www.btsflyfishing.com/ http://globalflyfisher.com/index.html http://nottingham-flydressers.4t.com/ http://www.umpqua.com/ http://www.magiclink.com/web/wesn/index.html Hope that helps some. Warren

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Keith, My vote goes to           flyanglersonline.com Great step by step tutorials for both a beginners and  intermediate tying "class", plus a "fly of the week". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.virtualflybox.com/ http://www.killroys.com/ http://www.jacksonholenet.com/guyturck/ http://tie-1-on.net/ http://www.troutflies.com/new_index/_store_index.htm http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://www.btsflyfishing.com/ http://globalflyfisher.com/index.html http://nottingham-flydressers.4t.com/ http://www.umpqua.com/ http://www.magiclink.com/web/wesn/index.html Hope that helps some. Warren Anyone have any good sites that describe tying specific flies? I’ve found several sites with good recipes but need a more "walk through" approach. The location of various materials is pretty hard to determine with some flies (Muddlers are my own specific mystery). Thanks Keith

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… I dislike intensely the the get-rich-quick spams, the porno spams, and the like, but this one was pretty innocuous. Lighten up, Ken. Lifting email addresses from a Usenet newsgroup to use in mass mailings is not innocuous. If that’s what flyfishamerica is doing, and it appears that they are, it’s shameless at best and at worst unethical.

They are definitely getting it from ROFF.  I use this account only for usenet and sure enough I had one here.  Fastest way to make sure they never get any of my business.  Send complaints to Later,      - Ken

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I dislike intensely the the get-rich-quick spams, the porno spams, and the like, but this one was pretty innocuous. Lighten up, Ken. Lifting email addresses from a Usenet newsgroup to use in mass mailings is not innocuous. If that’s what flyfishamerica is doing, and it appears that they are, it’s shameless at best and at worst unethical. They are definitely getting it from ROFF.  I use this account only for usenet and sure enough I had one here.  Fastest way to make sure they never get any of my business.  Send complaints to

With all due respect, I think you guys are going overboard here. Just send a POLITE email to flyfishamerica explaining the error of their ways. If they don’t stop then you can go thermonuclear. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I dislike intensely the the get-rich-quick spams, the porno spams, and the like, but this one was pretty innocuous. Lighten up, Ken. Lifting email addresses from a Usenet newsgroup to use in mass mailings is not innocuous. If that’s what flyfishamerica is doing, and it appears that they are, it’s shameless at best and at worst unethical. They are definitely getting it from ROFF.  I use this account only for usenet and sure enough I had one here.  Fastest way to make sure they never get any of my business.  Send complaints to With all due respect, I think you guys are going overboard here. Just send a POLITE email to flyfishamerica explaining the error of their ways. If they don’t stop then you can go thermonuclear.

With all due respect, nobody’s going thermonuclear.  They are being handled the same way every other spammer gets handled.  I get unsolicited email, they and their administrator gets an email complaint.  I am forced to maintain separate accounts because pieces of @#%^ spammers pull things like this.  If they can send me crap, I can certainly send them an email back.  I do not send spammers email directly as this usually just confirms to them that they have a valid address and gets you more email.  The same does for those BS, reply to be unsubscribed messages.  They are usually just trolling to get responses so that they can send you more spam. For anyone who is interested, there is a free service that does email forwarding for you so that you can complain without your address being collected.  Go to www.abuse.net and read the FAQ for details. They even have some scripts to automate the process of finding the real address and composing the complaint.  I’ve been using them for over a year now and am up to 750 complaints.  There’s no reason to put up with spam and quite frankly opt-out is BS (somebody has a sig with that in it). And that concludes the monday morning rant session.  :-)      - Ken

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Anybody else get SPAM from flyfishamerica.com ? — Ken Fortenberry

yeah, i got one. i also got one about 2 months ago. it’s too bad they are resorting to that, they don’t need to. where do you think they got their mailing list? walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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I posted to ROFF in an attempt to ascertain if they obtained my email address from ROFF. I still don’t know how I "landed on" their list but I’d be curious to know. — Ken Fortenberry

I’ve been getting spam from some flyfishing place lately, but I just deleted it.  Don’t know if it’s from flyfish america or not.  I wouldn’t be suprised if ROFF gets scanned once  in a while. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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Maybe it was only for "bud" drinkers.

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Just checked my trash can…fly fish america it is. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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THAT’S the $64,000 question. I hope it’s not ROFF but what does a Unix weenie from Illinois, a cop from Colorado and a super model from North Carolina, (nice shot of you on pg 104 of Orvis, Walt) have in common besides ROFF ?

We all drink beer? That’s the ticket. Maybe our brains were scanned by ECHELON at the check-out counter at the Cork and Barrel? Or what do you get when you cross a sysadmin from Illinois, a cop formerly from Illinois, and a supermodel from North Carolina? (Next Clave, I’ll buy a six pack for whoever comes up with the best punchline to that one. It has to be available in Denver, though.) Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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THAT’S the $64,000 question. I hope it’s not ROFF but what does a Unix weenie from Illinois, a cop from Colorado and a super model from North Carolina, (nice shot of you on pg 104 of Orvis, Walt) have in common besides ROFF ?

it’s pretty obvious where they got the list. i canned mine when it arrived, like i do with the other 30 or so spams i get every day. i initially thought it was b/c of my com address, but now i’m certain that they have scanned roff for addresses. shame really, they have a good and informative free magazine that they make available to ff’ers. walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Well, this infrequent poster didn’t get that message.  So, either the spamblocker in my reply-to address works, or my ISP is doing a good job of blocking spam.  I suspect maybe a little of both.  They must be using good address cleaning to remove the blocker in Mr. Erana’s address…  Or maybe they’re getting their list  from somewhere else? –Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody else get SPAM from flyfishamerica.com ? Yup. — Michael Era

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When I was young, a teacher of mine read from a book about fly fishing on the Brule river in Wisconsin.  Wondering if anyone knows the name of that writer or the name of any of those books.   — jm

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Gordon MacQuarrie stories, published in the 40’s and 50’s in outdoor magazines, were collected in 3 volumes as "Stories of the Old Duck Hunters", "More Stories of the ODHs" and (I think) "Last Stories of the ODHs".  About half the stories are hunting, half are fishing, mainly on the Brule.  Then there was a fourth volume, "Lost Stories of the ODH", which was stuff they missed the first time thru. Gordon MacQuarrie is my favorite fishing author.  Traver and Gierach and others get as good occasionally, but every MacQuarrie story is excellent.  Henry VanDyke is a close second.   Frank Stetzer                        "…a cheerful comrade is better Employed by, but not speaking for     foot-warmer."  Henry Van Dyke, Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA     "Fisherman’s Luck", 1899. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was young, a teacher of mine read from a book about fly fishing on the Brule river in Wisconsin.  Wondering if anyone knows the name of that writer or the name of any of those books.   — jm

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When I was young, a teacher of mine read from a book about fly fishing on the Brule river in Wisconsin.  Wondering if anyone knows the name of that writer or the name of any of those books.   — jm

Its a good bet that it was Gordon MacQuarrie. Check out this book (info from http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1572230258/t/002-4166657-7704468) I got this book for Christmas and have read it twice already. Jim Fly Fishing With MacQuarrie by Zack Taylor, Gordon MacQuarrie List: $19.50 Our Price: $13.65 You Save: $5.85 (30%) Availability: This title usually ships within 2-3 days. Hardcover Published by Willow Creek Pr Dimensions (in inches): 0.97 x 10.26 x 7.23 ISBN: 1572230258 — Jim Jacoby Mt. Horeb, WI To send a reply, remove "-take_this_out-" from the address.

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When I was young, a teacher of mine read from a book about fly fishing on the Brule river in Wisconsin.  Wondering if anyone knows the name of that writer or the name of any of those books.  

Beats me!  I used to fish the brule a lot when I was a kid, and learned to flyfish there. To me it still stands as one of the most beautiful trout rivers on this planet – absolutely gorgeous.   I don’t reacll anyone writng about it at length.  There has been an article or two, and honorable mentions in guidebooks. It was in it’s time VERY popular nationally.  Teddy Roosevelt fished the Cedar Island water.  Calvin Coolidge liked the Brule so much they named the hwy that follows it south from US 2 after him.  Dwight Eisenhower had friends with a house at the lower end of Big Lake, and fished there often. I suspect that many other notables fished there too. If there is a book out there that speaks of the Brule, I’d love to find a copy. BTW:  what prompted this teacher to use that book.  Why did it stick with you?  have you ever been there?  A thread on the Brule would be a pleasant diversion – I do have a story or two of my own about her. </chaz

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Perhaps we had the same teacher.  My fourth grade teacher read me "Rascal", by Sterling North.   This is a heart-rendering book set in Southern Wisconsin, during the 1910’s, about a boy and his pet racoon.  Part of the book relates the wonderful trip that Sterling and Rascal had to northern Wisconsin, much of it along the Brule.  I recently read the book to my children and they love the story as much as I did then and still do now.  A definite top ten book in my life.

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Thanks for the help from folks.  To answer Chaz’s questions.  I think he read from it because he loved fishing.  I think I remember it because it sounded like such a great place and it was in Wisconsin.   My question was prompted because I work at Wisc Public Television and we are working on a show about fishing in Wisconsin for Aug 99 and the Brule will be featured in the show.   jm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW:  what prompted this teacher to use that book.  Why did it stick with you?  have you ever been there?  A thread on the Brule would be a pleasant diversion – I do have a story or two of my own about her. </chaz

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon MacQuarrie stories, published in the 40’s and 50’s in outdoor magazines, were collected in 3 volumes as "Stories of the Old Duck Hunters", "More Stories of the ODHs" and (I think) "Last Stories of the ODHs".  About half the stories are hunting, half are fishing, mainly on the Brule.  Then there was a fourth volume, "Lost Stories of the ODH", which was stuff they missed the first time thru. Gordon MacQuarrie is my favorite fishing author.  Traver and Gierach and others get as good occasionally, but every MacQuarrie story is excellent.  Henry VanDyke is a close second. Frank Stetzer                        "…a cheerful comrade is better Employed by, but not speaking for     foot-warmer."  Henry Van Dyke, Univ of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA     "Fisherman’s Luck", 1899. When I was young, a teacher of mine read from a book about fly fishing on the Brule river in Wisconsin.  Wondering if anyone knows the name of that writer or the name of any of those books. — jm

This is my first post in a NG.  Absolutely, yessir, right on, AMEN. MacQuarrie is without peer.  Every one of his short stories a classic. I fished the Bois Brule in Northwestern WI (not to be confused with the "Border Brule" in Upper Michigan) for the first time last summer.  It was just great visiting the places MacQuarrie mentions in his writings.  It was like visiting an old friend.  I will be back again this year.  Then maybe someday the Roaring Fork and Frying Pan in CO and maybe someday the Yellowstone area with all the great spots out there.   Then maybe ….?

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<snip   My question was prompted because I work at Wisc Public Television and we are working on a show about fishing in Wisconsin for Aug 99 and the Brule will be featured in the show.   jm

Kewl! If you have any say in what gets filmed take a look at the water around Cedar Island.  Used be a resort/lodge – lately owned by the Ordway family.  Classic, beautiful trout water.  I used to sneak into the lower end when I was a kid, and fish my brains out. Teddy Rooselvelt fished there.  Stories tell that before teddy arrived, the folks at the hatchery downriver in Brule netted out a bunch of big brood fish they usually kept in a big pool, put them in one of the rearing runs and starved them for a couple days.  The day before The Man arrived at Cedar Island they turned these hungry monsters loose in a side channel with pools the lodge owners had dug for their guests.  The President would be assured of "good fishing". Another good run would be just below Big Lake.  Wildcat Rapids.  There’s no public access to this water except by canoe, so it won’t be real crowded.  This was my favorite stretch as a kid.  The Caretaker for one of the properties there was a friend of my Grandpa’s and would let us in when the owners weren’t around.  I’d give my eyeteeth to get back in there, I can tell you.  In fact there could be an angle here – local boy returns to his favorite water after 30 years – hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm – pay my way out and I’ll talk to my agent;-).  After we’re done filming, we’ll ditch the camera ops and I’ll take you over to the White. And I’d love to see your show. </chaz

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This is a copy of a press release about a Wisconsin fishing program in current production.  If you have stories or if you know great story tellers, we’d like to see and hear it.  Get your hands on a video camera and follow the instructions below.  Thanks.   xxx :-  xxx :-  xxx :-  xxx :-  xxx :-  xxx :-  xxx :-  xxx :- xxx :-  xxx :-  

FISH TALES SOUGHT FOR Wisconsin Public Television SPECIAL         It’s been said that every angler has a great story to tell, and Wisconsin Public Television wants to hear yours!         WPT is preparing a special on fishing in Wisconsin that will air in August 1999.  As part of the effort, we’re seeking fish stories from anglers all over Wisconsin.         "We’re looking for all kinds of tales," says producer JoAnne Garrett. "Not just the stories about the biggest fish or the longest struggle, although we’d like those, too.  We also want to hear about how fishing helped form family bonds and family memories, stories about fishing that touch the heart."         Tale spinners with humorous stories also are sought.         Stories should be documented on VHS tape with a video camera.  Send tapes to: Fish Tales, c/o JoAnne Garrett, Wisconsin Public Television, 821 University Ave., Madison WI 53706.  Deadline is Sept. 1.  If you want your tape returned, please enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope. Jon Miskowski Wisconsin Public Television

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shouldn’t rely on high sounding principles of international/maritime law.

Rely instead on the law of gross tonnage… Andy La Varre **** Join the fight against spam!             details at http://www.cauce.org

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but they never requested permission to board…

In this case they just wanted to see the boat It was a very pretty little boat, at 31 feet in St. Katherine’s Yacht Haven a very long way from home, so they were curious… Andy La Varre **** Join the fight against spam!             details at http://www.cauce.org

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Snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In reality, the combination of the fact that you are in their country and they are (heavily) armed usually infers automatic permission. Officials, by marine law, have the right to board a vessel "for just cause" -they usually decide what that means. A "warship" just has an advantage over pleasure boats in that it is heavily armed and carries its own "army" with it to enforce their rights. The bottom line is that, as others have stated, when in someone else’s country we should all behave as good guests, not as obnoxious tourists. Mel Haylock         Mel is correct. Any flagged(documented) pleasure vessel has territoral status. However, there are so many loopholes in Martime Law as to almost render that status moot when in foreign territoral waters. Add to that treaties with other countries that transfer authority to the foreign power for ships in the others waters. You best just be cool and not try to invoke Miranda, ie. be a hard ass.         If you are on the high seas, that is another story. Flagged vessels have the obligatory protection of all US armed forces. Or if they under protective escort by a warship in foreign territoral waters. Like Mel say, a warship has the where-with-all to make a hard ass point that skews the rules a bit. — Mark Fay Home OS/2 Merlin User ISDN & BitSurfer Pro S/V Enough Morgan 44 CC No. 1051223 If you’re right, Mark, how comes customs in any country will come on board a merchant ship or pleasure yacht, search the boat for contraband, seal the "spirits locker", etc. John

  Read the above John in particular the phrase ‘Just Cause’ which is open to the host nations interpritation. Peter

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Well, yes and no. First of all I assume, that you are an US citizen and you are sailing under the US flag (not the other way round, i.e. visiting the US). Actual procedures will vary from state to state. But as a general rule you can import whatever is allowed by the law of your home state. Once you are checking in at the imigration harbor local authorities will seal any equipment or supply, that does not comply with local laws. You are not allowed to break the seal until you are checking out again. Doing so will get you into serious trouble! So, sorry, no alcohol in moslem states. Also note, that most states have a very particular view about weapons. The most friendly custom or imigration officer may become all business and decide to search you boat for hours. And hiding a gun is a save way to inspect local prisons. Even for a flare gun you will need an allowance in e.g. Germany. How sovereign? You are under full jurisdiction of local authorities once you crossed the border between the open sea and coastal waters. jue — J

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Dear flyfisher, I am building a free-ware database on behalve of the mail list. Allthough there is lot’s of support from the group, it is not easy to get original pictures. Therefore I need somebody who is willing to make pictures of very nice hand-tied flies and send me the digitized pictures. Reward: very high quality hand-tied flies, and your name mentioned in the database. Erik Bosters

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I am building a free-ware database on behalve of the mail list. Allthough there is lot’s of support from the group, it is not easy to get original pictures.

 I’ll agree it’s not easy. But here’s how I do it: 35mm camera with bellows and tripod, 200mm lense This way you can completely fill a 35mm slide with a #20 nymph, or back off and shoot a 4" long streamer. Build a light tent with translucent, synthetic fabric, like "gloryosa cloth" sold at women’s fabric store. Use a medium blue background, with construction paper or whatever. Illuminate the tent with two 500 watt blue bulbs, to balance with exterior film, of whatever speed. The slower the sharper. Use the light meter for a starting point, but bracket each shot 1 stop in each direction (three exposures per shot). Use f22 or f32 for maximum depth of field. Use the timer, as your exposures will be long. —  * Center for Computational Biology  * Montana State Bozeman  (406) 994-7061  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy */

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I’ll agree it’s not easy. But here’s how I do it: 35mm camera with bellows and tripod, 200mm lense This way you can completely fill a 35mm slide with a #20 nymph, or back off and shoot a 4" long streamer.

[deleted] I absolutely concede to you expertise on this subject, Sandy,  but there is one observation I’d like to make. On photographing fishing flies. The odd thing about these photographs is that the critical component seems to be not necessarily in quality of photograph for enlargement.  It seems like when you enlarge anyones flies, the bigger they get, the more defects you notice…which distracts from the quality of the photograph in a way that is really unique to this subject, I feel. Once you start noticing thread overlaps in the head and nicks in materials and stuff, the quality of the photgraph becomes secondary. I recently (foolishly) purchased (I’m not sure of the exact title…) "The Flies of the Umpqua Feather Merchants" which has 1100 color photographs in it.   I have studied it intently.   It’s bizarre to see an Umpqua tied #20 AK Best quill that looks like *complete* crap in the (whatever size they are) photographs.   The quality of the photo is there, but the fly itself [when enlarged] doesn’t cut it. In other endeavours, like in the Macrophotography of the naturals themselves, the quality of the photo is paramount and as you get up in the enlargement range, the beauty of natures work is more revealed.   As you get up in the enlargment range of an imitation, the ugliness of mans hand becomes more revealed. Thus, I posit that a much less expensive 35SLR/80mm with a cheap macro filter will suffice quite nicely for JPG bound fly images providing the lighting, exposure and focus are reasonable.   It might be interesting to compare notes in the images group. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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  Thus, I posit that a much less expensive 35SLR/80mm with a cheap macro   filter will suffice quite nicely for JPG bound fly images providing the   lighting, exposure and focus are reasonable.   It might be interesting to   compare notes in the images group.   —   TimW

Or, I’d be happy to host these images on my web site.  Many of us can’t access the binaries groups.  I too am curious. I have had very limited success taking pictures of flies, and it is not because of a lack of equipment… For this experiment, I’d suggest the GIF format for uniform and virtually lossless compression. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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The problem with GIF is it is limited in its color palette.  JPG has an unlimited color palette so reproduced most photographs better.  Also when scanning for publication on the web it is necessary to reduce the resolution of the scan so the resulting image is reasonable to download so lossless compression  is not nearly as important as reproducing the entire color range of the object being photographed. Also for scanning for the web it is really not important whether the image is a slide or a print.  A print will work just as well because of the lower resolution of the scan.  Those of us with some experience in reproducing photos for print media have had to relearn some things when it comes to the web.  It is a good idea to use a single-color, non-textured background in the photographs because that type of background compresses best without loss of detail (there is no detail to lose). With all the digital cameras available I still think that 35mm is the way to go for most macro shots.  I have tried using a macro digital camera, a digitizer attached to a macro-capable video camera and direct scans of the flies.  Film still works best at this point. Having said all that I am also still in the process of getting the quality of image I need for fly photos on my own site.  A professional fly-tyer and photographer has kindly sent me some excellent quality scans of some of the flies.  These have a textured background which looks stunning at full resolution but compression isn’t as good as it could be and the file sizes tend to be a little larger than I would like.  His background is also in print where image quality and sharpness is everything and the size of a file doesn’t matter.  He has agreed to try a solid background on his next shoot to compare file sizes and resolution at each size. — — Sherman www.flyfishingjournal.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Thus, I posit that a much less expensive 35SLR/80mm with a cheap macro   filter will suffice quite nicely for JPG bound fly images providing the   lighting, exposure and focus are reasonable.   It might be interesting to   compare notes in the images group.   —   TimW Or, I’d be happy to host these images on my web site.  Many of us can’t access the binaries groups.  I too am curious. I have had very limited success taking pictures of flies, and it is not because of a lack of equipment… For this experiment, I’d suggest the GIF format for uniform and virtually lossless compression. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.

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Sherman, Thanks for the information, does taking slide pictures with a regular 35MM and sending the film to a developer like Wolf  Camera and Video at http\www.wolfcamera.com give a satisfactory result? — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The problem with GIF is it is limited in its color palette.  JPG has an unlimited color palette so reproduced most photographs better.  Also when scanning for publication on the web it is necessary to reduce the resolution of the scan so the resulting image is reasonable to download so lossless compression  is not nearly as important as reproducing the entire color range of the object being photographed. Also for scanning for the web it is really not important whether the image is a slide or a print.  A print will work just as well because of the lower resolution of the scan.  Those of us with some experience in reproducing photos for print media have had to relearn some things when it comes to the web.  It is a good idea to use a single-color, non-textured background in the photographs because that type of background compresses best without loss of detail (there is no detail to lose). With all the digital cameras available I still think that 35mm is the way to go for most macro shots.  I have tried using a macro digital camera, a digitizer attached to a macro-capable video camera and direct scans of the flies.  Film still works best at this point. Having said all that I am also still in the process of getting the quality of image I need for fly photos on my own site.  A professional fly-tyer and photographer has kindly sent me some excellent quality scans of some of the flies.  These have a textured background which looks stunning at full resolution but compression isn’t as good as it could be and the file sizes tend to be a little larger than I would like.  His background is also in print where image quality and sharpness is everything and the size of a file doesn’t matter.  He has agreed to try a solid background on his next shoot to compare file sizes and resolution at each size. — — Sherman

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  The problem with GIF is it is limited in its color palette.  JPG has an   unlimited color palette so reproduced most photographs better.  

and the problem with jpg is that most all of the software packages do the compression differently for a given compression ratio. if the goal is to compare photo methods, then eliminating the variable of the compression routine is desirable – THAT’s why I suggest GIF. As for slides vs/ prints… comparing a scan of a slide to a scan of a print introduces all sorts of additional variables. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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I’ve seen photos of actual insects taken using two flash guns of decent power (guide N0 100) one either side of the lens, fired simultaneously, with the camera and flash guns mounted on a kind of T structure all fired simultaneously by cable release.

For more info on a similar device, see John Shaw’s book – Closeups In Nature (a photographer’s guide to techniques in the field). I built one of his "butterfly brackets", as he calls it, and it works quite well. You can hand hold this affair, shoot excellent closeups of moving insect, and get sharp, well exposed photos. You can find the book inphoto  pro shops or catalog supply houses- usually. From the minute we’re born we all start dying;some of us just take longer than others. Me? I’ve been dragging my feet, but it doesn’t seem to help much.

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You can hand hold this affair, shoot excellent closeups of moving insect, and get sharp, well exposed photos.

Apparently the trick is (i.e. with live insects at least) to point your rig at the beast then move in slowly towards it, and when the image becomes sharp, fire!  The flash exposure will "stop" movement.  This way you do not have to hunt for the subject in the viewfinder – it would have probably gone anyway! This technique should work just as well for artificial flies, and they won’t fly away – unless your tying is particulary lifelike Regards, — Bill

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Apparently the trick is (i.e. with live insects at least) to point your rig at the beast then move in slowly towards it, and when the image becomes sharp, fire!  The flash exposure will "stop" movement.  This way you do not have to hunt for the subject in the viewfinder – it would have probably gone anyway!

That’s pretty much the way it works. You’ll find you need to stop down to at least  f-16 – f-22 at these ranges assuming relatively slow film, say 50 to 100 ASA. That will give you "pretty good" depth of field, depending on your lens, and the output of your flash. Best to shoot a test roll first, write down your exposures and then select the f-stop that gives you the result you’re looking for. This technique should work just as well for artificial flies, and they won’t fly away – unless your tying is particulary lifelike

Exactly. From the minute we’re born we all start dying;some of us just take longer than others. Me? I’ve been dragging my feet, but it doesn’t seem to help much.

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se f22 or f32 for maximum depth of field.

Presumably this is the "camera" stop – the effective stop will be more like f64+, I forget the formula but I think the effective aperture is the lens to film distance divided by the diameter of the lens opening. Check this out as it may help you to calculate the correct exposure. I’ve seen photos of actual insects taken using two flash guns of decent power (guide N0 100) one either side of the lens, fired simultaneously, with the camera and flash guns mounted on a kind of T structure all fired simultaneously by cable release.  This makes the whole cinstruction more mobile – if mobility is needed. Regards, — Bill

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I am planning to go to British Columbia around the first of August for 7-9 days of first class fly-fishing for trout. I have never been there and need a recommendation for a lodge that has full ammenities and guide service with fly-outs. Jeff

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Jeff, You can go to this page and take your choice: http://www.oppub.com/bin/html I recommend the following: Bare Lake Resort Charles & Jean Forrest/Phil & Betty Teichgrab Box 1248 Kamloops ,BC  V2C 6H3 Tel: 250-319-5511; mesg.604-858-3678  Fax: 604-858-8008 High Country Douglas Lake Ranch Resort http://www.douglaslake.com/ Carlo Elstak General Delivery Douglas Lake ,BC  V0E 1S0 Tel: 250-371-7206/250-350-3344/1-800-663-4838  Fax: 250-350-3336 High Country Northern Woodsman Lodge http://www.northernwoodsman.com/ Les and Michelle Allen P.O. Box 26025 Westbank, B.C., Canada V4T 2G3 Phone/Fax: (250) 769-7642 Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com take off the 1 for E-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to go to British Columbia around the first of August for 7-9 days of first class fly-fishing for trout. I have never been there and need a recommendation for a lodge that has full ammenities and guide service with fly-outs. Jeff

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I could recommend a couple, but you really need to contact Dick McMaster, the director of the BC Fishing Resorts and Outfitters Association at (250) 828-1553. Or you can drop them a letter at P.O. box 3301, Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada, V2C 6B9 This guy is a wealth of knowledge and it’s his job to help people just like you, looking for a lodge. Good Luck. And please tell him Bill Luscombe told you to call him. Thanks. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to go to British Columbia around the first of August for 7-9 days of first class fly-fishing for trout. I have never been there and need a recommendation for a lodge that has full ammenities and guide service with fly-outs. Jeff

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Great Idea, I would kill the co0kies though.  They are a nusiance and a lot of people like me do not accept them in any case Thanks Gerry

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Good start.  I’d bag the background though:-).  Submitted pattern but could not go back and do a search on the name (Dark Star).  Bookmark it.  Will come back and load up a bunch of South Platte Patterns later on. Keep it Going! — Chaz Clover Art Director, CompuNerd, Inc. http://www.databahn.net "Welcome To Earth!" Will Smith

Excellant idea…will send you the patterns from our present and past publications of the SPAWNER a full colour magazine on atlantic salmon fishing in Newfoundland and Labrador. Should be enough to keep you even busier   Keith Piercey SPAWN (The Salmon Preservation Association for the Waters of Newfoundland) P.O. Box 924 Corner Brook, NF Canada  A2H 6J2

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Good start.  I’d bag the background though:-).  Submitted pattern but could not go back and do a search on the name (Dark Star).  Bookmark it.  Will come back and load up a bunch of South Platte Patterns later on. Keep it Going! — Chaz Clover Art Director, CompuNerd, Inc. http://www.databahn.net "Welcome To Earth!" Will Smith

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Hello, Lately I have had a little free time on my hands, and I got this idea that it might be kind of cool if there was an online database where you can lookup a fly pattern that you wish to tie.  Not finding anything out there like this I desided to try and create such a database. I have it working and now it needs some testing.  So I would like some of you to look at it, try it, maybe add a fly pattern or two and then tell me what you think.  Like I said before, I am testing right now.   It is still under construction.  There are not very many fly patterns in the database right now.  Things I am looking for are:  Do I need to add anything to the submit section, do i need to remove anything from the submit section, and any other ideas you think might help it.  Again please try it out and let me know it you had any problems with it or if you have any suggestion on how to make it better. The page is located at:  http://www.nfinity.com/~hawk/fly/ Thanx for your time Wayne Beck

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Hi Wayne The idea looks good to me.  I’ve bookmarked you web page. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Hello, Lately I have had a little free time on my hands, and I got this idea that it might be kind of cool if there was an online database where you can lookup a fly pattern that you wish to tie.  

… The page is located at:  http://www.nfinity.com/~hawk/fly/

I like it.  It’s nice to see someone providing a service like this that isn’t in it for the money. A couple of things that would be nice… I realize that this could could use up a considerable about of disc space but a jpg of a fly uploaded to a directory and referenced from HTML (along with an ALT tag) would be nice.  You’d probably want to limit the size though. Search engines are nice but sometimes an alphanumeric index is good too, especially for those that can’t spell irresistuble. The "Comments" field might be better labled "tying instructions". Actually, a separate field for instructions and one for comments might be useful.  The comments could include information on the best way to fish the fly, and what would happen if gink were applied. Most pattern books list the materials used in order of use when the fly is tied.  I didn’t see any way to specify in which order they should be used.  Of course, that could be described in the "Instructions" section. I didn’t see a field for "ribbing", often a key ingrediant. There wasn’t a field for things like lead weight or bead heads.  Perhaps a field titled "Other materials" would solve this. In any case, it looks good so far.  I hope that people use it. I’ll put a reference to it in my rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying FAQ (which I need to repost with a few updates) if you don’t mind. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Would the guy that posted about the Saltwater flyfishing trip for rockfish in the kelp beds off of Santa Cruz please followup with a valid email address?  I tried responding via email but it bounced.  I’m interested in the Livermore Flyfishers group that was mentioned. — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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That’s a numeral one after my name. Kent McCammon Lightwave Systems Engineer Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Just another crash dummy on the information superhighway

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