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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck?

What girls did you "visit" while in Coburn? Sounds like you were in a real hurry to get out of town. — TL, Tim

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

hey, take care Louie, you’ve got an important fishing date coming up. Hey Dave, if it hurts when you bend, don’t bend.  You have to come and see us soon.  I’m practicing on my new stove.   This is the Jag of all Jags.   The Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

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…   The Thanksgiving turkey, …

Canadian Thanksgiving makes WAY more sense than the American version. The second Monday of October is a great time to have a real fall harvest fest. The end of November sucks, and besides it’s too close to Xmas. — Ken Fortenberry- left in disgust at the start of the 4th quarter

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

Can’t wait to see you both on the 13th. Love Suzie

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 Smashed my back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).

Enjoyed your TR but sorry to hear about your bad luck. You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

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Vince Norris writes: You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

Fortunately I wasn’t hurt badly.  A friend (in his early 70s) saw it, and thought I had to be hurt bad (good?), so he got on his rather sophisticated radio and called his son fishing downriver at Harbeck Pool.  His son started back to help in the "rescue", but when my friend saw me up and about, he called and told the son I was ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

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ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

Hey, I worry about you big guy.  With all the luck you’ve had, a wonderful wife, trips to Lakewood left, right and center, that land yacht of yours, I figure your lucks gotta run out sometime. Good report.  I can’t wait to get up there next year.  Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Frank Reid writes: Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June.

Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there.   Dave

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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave

Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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The boat was waiting for us when we arrived at South Arm.  It is always amusing to see Henry jump from the car, run down to the dock and get aboard Lakewood’s boat.  (Lakewood owns the boat, so the apotrophe is correct)   After a quick lunch, I headed to the dam.  No one in sight.  I picked one of the good spots and started with Bruiser’s #20 PT, tied on a scudd hook.  Second cast and I had a decent brookie, dressed to the nines in her fall colors.  A few casts later, another brookie.  It went on like this until I lost the fly. %, I only had one.  Fortunately I brought along the fly box that Bruiser gave me at the SJ clave two years ago.  It was filled with little size 20 – 24 jewels.  I selected something similar, and it was *better*.  What an outstanding afternoon.  The catch of brookies to salmon was about 5 to 1.  I can remember when it was 10 to 1 salmon to brookies.  And it wasn’t that long ago.  C & R works (sorry Timbo) On Monday morning I went to Pond in the River – not much happening with the standard stuff.  However, an old stand-by, the Jail Bird tied on a size 20 dry fly hook brought two very nice brook trout from the wing dam pool.  That fly has never failed me!  Very simple tie, too.  After a sumptuous lunch, I was a bit tired, so I napped until mid-afternoon and then hit the dam.   As before, Bruiser’s tiny SJ flies did their magic.  I dredged Zimbo’s Run and landed several nice (+14 inch) brookies, as well as some  salmon about the same size.  The fish looked to be in remarkable condition, especially the brookies. Only a couple of salmon that I caught (the entire week) had sores on their jaws from being hooked.  There was a team of biologists surveying the river for the power company.  I had a conversation with them at dinner and asked about the mortality of C&R.  Although they didn’t give me a percentage, their feelings were that the brookies are very strong and their mortality is very, very low, whereas the salmon, dumber and not as strong, still have a low mortality.  With the number of fish I caught that looked healthy, I’d say they were spot on in their estimation. Tuesday was a repeat of Monday, with the exception of a 19 inch brookie taken on one of Bruisers #20 nymphs.  I also worked some rising salmon.  There was a hatch on, and I cast a tiny little black fly.  In general, they were small fish – in the 8 to 12 inch range, and no brookies.  So, I switched back to the little nymphs and continued to have luck at any spot at the dam.  Again, the brookies were ferocious with Bruiser’s flies. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were the same, except Friday it rained harder than it did at Henry’s Fork (if that is possible).  We got about 4 inches of water in less than 24 hours.  Fishing remained fairly good, however, and I finally got a chance to wear my SST jacket.  Kept me dry and warm.  Sleeping in one of Lakewood’s cabins is always a treat, but when it is cold and raining, it is extra sweet.   The season ends on Tuesday.  I’ve been home three hours and I’m ready to go back.  It is gonna be a long winter……. Dave

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"On its banks, I’ve tasted my first whiskey, caught my first trout on a fly, read great books, made love and created new friendships." Was this all on the same day??? <GRIN MikeS

Yes. Tuesday, February 5th. The whiskey and fishing parts were easy enough, but it is damn hard to get her out of her drawers in sub-freezing weather. Steve

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but for now, the White Clay is the most beautiful river I’ve ever laid a fly on.

That’s not what you meant by making love, was it? <g  I’d better ask Warren about this; he knows about animal husbandry and stuff like that. Mu

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Did you ask the Ranger about the dying trout?

You know, I didn’t think of it. I really should have. Mea maxima culpa. Steve

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That’s not what you meant by making love, was it? <g  I’d better ask Warren about this; he knows about animal husbandry and stuff like that.

I just can’t understand why you keep trying to impregnate fish Mu. I mean you explanation of "tired of stockers and want some fockers" was funny and all, but . . . . <g — Warren For Henry’s Fork Clave and Bozeman fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt Reverse email to reply

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I just can’t understand why you keep trying to impregnate fish Mu.

Call me Uncle Milty. Mu

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<Snip As I understand it, WCC is both in DE and PA.   What part do you fish? Joe F.

I fish mainly from the Pennsylvania line down but sometimes as far up as the Ticking Tomb (the historic graveyard on Good Hope Road). Make sure you have both DE and PA licenses because the rangers like to hide about a hundred feet on either side of the unmarked border and they love writing tickets. In the sections where the trails are far away from the river, it feels rather remote. Most of it is pretty exposed, though. Somebody or other got it in their head that the park was under-utilized and needed better access. They graded paths, installed bridges and built parking lots. This is nice for the community, but bad for people who go for solitary fishing. Also, if you hook your hat or fall in, there are usually a couple of passers-by to derive great merriment. Come summer, the smallies and sunnies will come out and compete with the trout and the fishing never slows down. I go through a dozen or so crickets and hoppers in a month of fishing, most of them worn out from greedy sunfish and smallies. It isn’t a famous river, or a good one. I would never eat a fish out of it and I don’t like to swim or wade wet in it but it is my river. One day, maybe this summer, I’ll head out to Oregon and go after some Cascades salmon or to the Poconos for some wild brookies, but for now, the White Clay is the most beautiful river I’ve ever laid a fly on.

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"On its banks, I’ve tasted my first whiskey, caught my first trout on a fly, read great books, made love and created new friendships." Was this all on the same day??? <GRIN MikeS

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<SNIP Excellent, most enjoyable. TL MC

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Pardon me. I’ve had one too may glasses of the Royal Lochnagar and I don’t think my spell checker is functioning properly. The White Clay Creek is my home river. …..

A very pleasing read.  Thanks. JR

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When I’m suited up and on the water, I forget these things. I get tunnel vision and focus on the river. The sensations of it overwhelm me and I lose myself fishing in it.

Enjoyed it, Thanks. — Roger Ohlund "Home" is River Byske, Northern Sweden

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The White Clay Creek is my home river. In the past fifteen years, I’ve never lived more than twenty minutes from it.

Well told.   Thanks.   Oddly enough, I’m only about 45 minutes from WCC myself, but I’ve never fished it.   A friend of a friend of mine is involved in the stocking, and he and his buddies (which to my dismay include my friend) make an excursion each spring, armed with garden hackle, and unceremoniusly catch their limit in the illusion of sport.   Maybe that gave me a negative attitude toward the river, that your post has washed clean. Maybe I’ll give it a look after all. As I understand it, WCC is both in DE and PA.   What part do you fish? Joe F.

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<snip Nice. I can see it clearly. Tim

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The White Clay Creek is my home river.

        (snip)         very well done, stephen.  thanks your friend in the old north state wayno

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The White Clay Creek is my home river.

Thanks for the post. Be it ever so humble there’s no place like a Home River. There’s nothing that can teach you about fishing like having a river close enough that you can learn its many moods. Did you ask the Ranger about the dying trout? Willi

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Pardon me. I’ve had one too may glasses of the Royal Lochnagar and I don’t think my spell checker is functioning properly. The White Clay Creek is my home river. In the past fifteen years, I’ve never lived more than twenty minutes from it. In some respects, I hold it cheap in that I can come back the next day. Realistically, any time I don’t *have* to be somewhere else, I can be at this river. No matter how often I can or do visit, it is still my river. On its banks, I’ve tasted my first whiskey, caught my first trout on a fly, read great books, made love and created new friendships. This river I hold as my personal domain and a portion of myself. But when I try to look at it objectively, I realize it is a pretty shitty river for my affections. The fish are put-and-take. The anglers are Busch-drinking worm-drowning Winston-smoking NASCAR fans (these things are not intrinsically bad, but what they do to Dover Downs, they do to my river). The road is next to a college town and full of mountain bikers, joggers and ROTC (they aren’t intrinsically bad, just loud and scary to the trout). When I’m suited up and on the water, I forget these things. I get tunnel vision and focus on the river. The sensations of it overwhelm me and I lose myself fishing in it. Last Sunday I went to my river and fished it. I knew trouble was in the works: Minivans pulled into the parking lot, filled with rock-throwing children and water-loving dogs, but I have a blind spot where my river is concerned, and I believed that it would give to me as it has in the past. I walked down and looked at the spot I had in mind. The flow was extremely slow, the pool was deep and the rocks were plentiful. Prime winter habitat, I believed. After a few seconds, I noticed the smell. It was a fishy smell, but not a pleasant one. I stopped tying on a nymph and looked at the shallows around me and found the problem. Three twelve-inch rainbows, contorted in the rictus of death lying in the rocks. Whether or not they had anything to do with this pool, I don’t know. I took it as a sign to move on. Of course, as I worked my way further up stream, I had to talk to several small children (which I don’t mind as long as they go away soon), their parents (who are just as foolish without the excuse), dog owners and their wet dogs, the University of Delaware ROTC (a one-sided conversation consisting of cadence) and the ranger (who needed a good look at my license and had to tell me about the October stocking and the season closing a month from now). That morning, I didn’t go to the river for conversation. I reached the next pool, and found that it was too low. So was the next, and the one after that. So low, the normally submerged rocks stuck out. I though about examining them for my lost flies, but that almost feels like grave robbing. Those flies, tied carefully or bought dearly, are part of the price exacted by my river. They are no longer mine (the trees are another matter). The final pool I came to was a huge bend in an otherwise small river, with two unused bridge caissons in the middle. Biologically, these caissons are interesting. They are hotbeds of Canada goose ethology. As I watched, three pairs of geese did their equivalent of dancing and brawling. Who am I to tell them they are acting indecently and scaring my trout? At the bottom end of the bend pool, I cast a hare’s ear. This was the first fly I ever tied. It was rather ugly, but then who’s first wasn’t? I figured that since this was my last pool, losing an ugly fly really didn’t mean much. When the tight loop flies out, watching it with my peripheral is a sublime pleasure. It is a personal triumph, a testament to my own ability and resource. No other person can claim responsibility for that particular beautiful thing. I suppose it is akin to taking joy in some structure I designed or words I joined in a certain way, but this is unique in that nobody taught me or polished me. That loop is mine and mine alone. I drifted through the tail of the pool once and again. On the third, I felt the connection. Fish on. I landed a sprightly rainbow, almost devoid of color on its silver sides. It wasn’t a big fish, even for my river, but it was a work of art like every trout plucked from a river is. After I sent the trout back, I could smell the smell a trout leaves on your hands, one entirely different from the smell of any other fish I’ve ever handled. It smelled like some sort of herb. I leaned against an abutment from a long-gone bridge and lit a cigarette and thanked my river, once again, for a trout. — Stephen L. Cain

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Hello, I recently was in my local K-Mart and checked out the fishing section, while I would find little use in ,most of the products they sell I did find what I precieve to be a bargain. I found Scientific Anglers AirCel Supreme2  WF-6 and-7-  F/S  wet tip III lines for $10.00 each, the orignal price was $36.00 so I picked up two 7wts. and one 6wt.

Those were a bargain, unless they had been ‘cooking’ in the back of the store for years. Don’t tinker with them: you’ll end up spoiling perfectly good lines. Here on UK stillwaters we use sink tips when we need to get wet flies and nymphs down a foot or three deeper than could be achieved with a full floater. Sink tips aren’t quite as sweet to cast as floaters (or even full sinking lines), but they are handy to have in the armoury. You might find them useful for getting nymphs down a bit in faster/deeper streams. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Hello, I recently was in my local K-Mart and checked out the fishing section, while I would find little use in ,most of the products they sell I did find what I precieve to be a bargain. I found Scientific Anglers AirCel Supreme2  WF-6 and-7-  F/S  wet tip III lines for $10.00 each, the orignal price was $36.00 so I picked up two 7wts. and one 6wt. My questions are has anybody used this line in the sink tip much, I have never used a sink tip and if it would be better to have a top of the line (line) I would use the three I have to trade w/friends and purchase a higher quality line. Does this line have a stiff finish (AirCell)  also my last question is about what line wt. to use, I have a fast 6.wt. and the directions say to use a line wt. heavier if you want to trim the 10ft. tip into say a 6ft. I find a floater is just fine for the majority of my fishing but there are times when a sink tip would be good, Does the weight then come from the tip itself? and if I trimmed back a 6wt. line would it be too light to load easily? if anybody can help please reply I just know $10.00 either way is worth it I have a new S.A. catalog and do not see the old lines anymore and have never had an older catalog so I am not famaliar w/ this product. Thanks…

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My WF4F line is a $10 SA from kmart. nice dull green color, handles well. I like it. There’s the chance it will wear out sooner than a high dollar line, but at $10, just get another one! Since a WF line has most of its weight at the sharp end, cutting 5′ of the sinking section off should have a noticeable effect on how it casts, plus, you will lose the tapered section. But, if you feel like experimenting, all you are risking is $10. Personally, I would leave it as is, at least for the time being. Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyo.

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Good Deal. I have used the same line for a couple of seasons in 6& 8 wt. (but I don’t use sink tips all that much anyway)  It is shorter than I’m use to … About 85 ft  I think.  I have found it easy casting and long casting.  It is much better than some Cortland sink tips I’ve used.   I think I purchased the lines for about $20 a few years back on a closeout and they are worth every penny! I use the same wt line as the rod and I think I have cut one of these lines back to 8′ with no problem.  If the line is like mine it is a fairly slow sink tip (although the box states fast 1.50"-2" per second) and doesn’t overload the way some of the other sink tips do.  I suspect the sinking portion on this line is accomplished more by it’s small tip diameter than extra weight. I use SA Mastery Bonefish lines mostly but this line is quite similar to SA Ultra with regard to stiffness and feel.  It also works fine in cold weather with little memory. I wish our Kmart’s carried the stuff.  My good find lately was at a Wal-Mart.  2mm Neoprene socks for $8 and 2mm neoprene gloves w/ finger cutouts for $9—-Hunting Dept. Tip:  Try a very short leader with the sink tip (12" then 18" tippet)  It will cast better,the fly will sink better, and the fish don’t seem mind. Good Fishing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I recently was in my local K-Mart and checked out the fishing section, while I would find little use in ,most of the products they sell I did find what I precieve to be a bargain. I found Scientific Anglers AirCel Supreme2  WF-6 and-7-  F/S  wet tip III lines for $10.00 each, the orignal price was $36.00 so I picked up two 7wts. and one 6wt. My questions are has anybody used this line in the sink tip much, I have never used a sink tip and if it would be better to have a top of the line (line) I would use the three I have to trade w/friends and purchase a higher quality line. Does this line have a stiff finish (AirCell)  also my last question is about what line wt. to use, I have a fast 6.wt. and the directions say to use a line wt. heavier if you want to trim the 10ft. tip into say a 6ft. I find a floater is just fine for the majority of my fishing but there are times when a sink tip would be good, Does the weight then come from the tip itself? and if I trimmed back a 6wt. line would it be too light to load easily? if anybody can help please reply I just know $10.00 either way is worth it I have a new S.A. catalog and do not see the old lines anymore and have never had an older catalog so I am not famaliar w/ this product. Thanks…

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I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Thanks.

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For a prognosis of the upcoming flyangling season in the Tahoe-Truckee area I’ve just posted a new report.  During the season it will provide reliable info for those planning a flyfishing trip to the North Tahoe area. Frank R. Pisciotta Thy Rod & Staff 530.587.7333 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contact Tahoe Fly Fishing in South Lake Tahoe    530-541-8208 They also have a web site     www.tahoeflyfishing.com I stopped in their shop last week and found them to be most helpful. Regards, Chuck you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel    http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel

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Contact Tahoe Fly Fishing in South Lake Tahoe         530-541-8208 They also have a web site          www.tahoeflyfishing.com I stopped in their shop last week and found them to be most helpful. Regards, Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you won’t be fishing this area  in May – to much snowIn article I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use. Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel    http://www.newsfeeds.com/       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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I am planning on a trip to Lake Tahoe in May ‘99.  Can anyone tell me where the hot spots (preferably rivers or streams) are in the area. What kind of flies should I use.

Take note that in California, tributaries to Tahoe are closed until July. Right now there is about fifteen-twenty feet of snow in the high country near Tahoe, so unless it continues to stay winter up there, I recommend that you consider stillwater possibilities. In the South Lake Tahoe Area: If you don’t mind walking a few miles, there are lots of nice small lakes in the Desolation Wilderness that might be just coming out of ice by then (but might also still be frozen, you’ll have to wait and see. Red Lake off highway 88 might have open water, and Indian Creek reservoir near the Markleeville airport will be ice-free. There are nice streams – the West fork Carson flows through an open meadow for miles around Hope Valley and the East fork through a beautiful narrow canyon below Markleeville, either one would make for a beautiful day on the stream but you will be fighting some very high water, probably. In the North Tahoe area: The Truckee river flows for about twenty miles bordered by public highways. For stillwaters, Martis Creek reservoir in Truckee might be very good then. Other tuberous possibilities not far from North Lake Tahoe Area include Boca, Stampede and little Milton reservoirs.  The connecting stream near Boca and Stampede reservoirs might be fishable. Mark Vinsel angler artist www.vinsel.com Mark Vinsel

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Peter: I have the same rod and use TT 6/7. 80 feet overhead cast and 50 feet roll cast are easily made with this combination. Because of the continuous taper of TT, delicate presentation is also easily done. If you need a floating line, I would recommend TT 6/7. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am new to fly-fishing.  I own a St. Croix Imperial 9′ 5/6 weight travel rod with a Colorado #2 Ross reel.  I wonder if my rod will work well with a 6WF line.  I am thinking about ordering the Cabela’s Prestige 6WF F/S VI (IPS = 6.5-7, with 10′ sinking tip) for shad fishing in California rivers.  I like to hear your opinion on this selection.  Please let me know if you would suggest another line or another setup for this purpose. I also wonder if I should begin learning fly-fishing with a 5 WF line or a 5 DT line.  I have seen a few postings here recommending novice caster learning on a DT line.  I wonder what the reasoning is behind it. BTW, I plan to do most of my fishing in Yosemite National Park. Thanks for all your help. Peter

– Shinji Unno                     Karaoke Party in Seattle, WA, USA? Also a steelhead fly fisher               http://www.sbkaraoke.com

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Hi, I am new to fly-fishing.  I own a St. Croix Imperial 9′ 5/6 weight travel rod with a Colorado #2 Ross reel.  I wonder if my rod will work well with a 6WF line.  I am thinking about ordering the Cabela’s Prestige 6WF F/S VI (IPS = 6.5-7, with 10′ sinking tip) for shad fishing in California rivers.  I like to hear your opinion on this selection.  Please let me know if you would suggest another line or another setup for this purpose. I also wonder if I should begin learning fly-fishing with a 5 WF line or a 5 DT line.  I have seen a few postings here recommending novice caster learning on a DT line.  I wonder what the reasoning is behind it.   BTW, I plan to do most of my fishing in Yosemite National Park. Thanks for all your help. Peter

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Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The 3wt is a SAGE 389-3LL, 8ft9inch for a 3wt 3piece. I can’t recommend this rod highly enough as well as the 7ft9 for a 3wt line (you can cast beautifully only the leader as well as the whole line). If you need a shorter rod look at the Scott Power Ply, a 6ft10inch for a 3wt (very short but roll cast like a dream, Thomas Urbig

I agree with Thomas, but my small stream rods are the Sage LL 279, a 7"9" 2 wt, and a Powell SS  6′6" 2/3.  Both are sweetheart rods, that are great under cover.  Although I’m not sure you havve to spend as much as we did to get good performance with light gear.  I have used a St Croix 7′6" 3wt Legend (cost about $170USD) and I understand that the Cabela’s FT and PT series are also fine rods ($200 and $140USD respectively) jg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The Derbyshire Wye is a lovely stretch,with overhanging trees,weirs and everything you can think of. But i feel when i`ve fished it the past i`ve been over gunned. This has been with a 4 weight 8 foot rod,to 1.5 pound tippets and almost always flies,tied on 18 through 22. Hear the Americans have knowledge of 1 and 2 weight outfits. Would love some feedback on this. Any info relevant to the lightweight approach and tying small flies(I know there is a group for this) would be most welcome. — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

Keith, a 3wt is my standard trout rod here in New England and late summer and fall I stick with a 1wt when stalking finicky trout and fishing very small streams. The 3wt handles almost anything you ask from a trout rod (small to medium streams), the 1wt restricts you to some degree. Although you can cast quite some distance and will be able to throw a small streamer it won’t look beautiful and isn’t really a domain of a 1wt. On the positive side you have a rod which protects even a 1 pound tippet and enables you to trick a 5 pound trout on a #28 midge/1 lbs tippet without troubles. As far as dry fly fishing goes you are OK with flies #12 and smaller, but midge fishing with a 1wt is the domain of this rod. Also nymphing shallow water (you can cast up to a 0.4 g tin shot without much trouble) is great. Drawback, the 1wt line has not enough mass to lift the split shot off the water when doing a roll cast. I build my own 1wt from an Orvis blank. The 3wt is a SAGE 389-3LL, 8ft9inch for a 3wt 3piece. I can’t recommend this rod highly enough as well as the 7ft9 for a 3wt line (you can cast beautifully only the leader as well as the whole line). If you need a shorter rod look at the Scott Power Ply, a 6ft10inch for a 3wt (very short but roll cast like a dream, the SAGE analogs (356, 366) are to stiff for my feelings (although I like very fast rods). Hope that helps, if not mail back. Thomas — Thomas Urbig

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The Derbyshire Wye is a lovely stretch,with overhanging trees,weirs and everything you can think of. But i feel when i`ve fished it the past i`ve been over gunned. This has been with a 4 weight 8 foot rod,to 1.5 pound tippets and almost always flies,tied on 18 through 22. Hear the Americans have knowledge of 1 and 2 weight outfits. Would love some feedback on this. Any info relevant to the lightweight approach and tying small flies(I know there is a group for this) would be most welcome. — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

This might not be the help you are looking for.  For myself, I just get by with a 4wt in a moderate wind.  That’s only on the days it isn’t really windy around here.  At any rate, Orvis sells 1wt and 2 wt rods and lines. Buy and try…  It’s the surest way to find out if it’s what you’re after, and if you don’t like it you have added to your rod collection.  Something for the grandkids.  "Yep, sonny, this is what I used to catch the big ones on when I was your age."

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Hi,Looking for a good lightweight outfit,to be used on a river in the U.K. The Derbyshire Wye is a lovely stretch,with overhanging trees,weirs and everything you can think of. But i feel when i`ve fished it the past i`ve been over gunned. This has been with a 4 weight 8 foot rod,to 1.5 pound tippets and almost always flies,tied on 18 through 22. Hear the Americans have knowledge of 1 and 2 weight outfits. Would love some feedback on this. Any info relevant to the lightweight approach and tying small flies(I know there is a group for this) would be most welcome. — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

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Hello,   Last year about his time I bought plans to build a canoe, because that then looked like a good idea. I haven’t goten down to building it yet, but, in the mean time, I moved to a rather dry part of the world – except for the sea. So, I am living at a ten minutes drive from the beach now and I am wondering if I should build that canoe, or rather get plans for a kayak? What I like about the canoe is that    -I have the plans already    -I like the design    -I can cast a fly properly from a canoe    -My family fits into it    -I can use the same boat alone or all of us Then again they say that kayaks are really fun to play with in the surf. I had sort of a wacky idea the other day and maybe somebody may wish to comment on it. If I build a real long kayak (say about 18ft) and I leave the central 6-7 ft of the deck open, I can make two (or more) covers for that portion, one with the central opening (for me) and one with 2 big openings and one smaller one (for when we are all going). Will this reduce the stiffness of the boat to the point of making it dangerouse? Anyway, that would resolve only the family issue; casting the fly will remain a problem … Thanks of any thoughts,   Pierre — Pierre Hubsch                 Dept of Bio-Medical Engineering Technion – Israel Institut of Technology          Haifa 32000 Israel                                      tel 792-4-8294124

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I had sort of a wacky idea the other day and maybe somebody may wish to comment on it. If I build a real long kayak (say about 18ft) and I leave the central 6-7 ft of the deck open, I can make two (or more) covers for that portion, one with the central opening (for me) and one with 2 big openings and one smaller one (for when we are all going). Will this reduce the stiffness of the boat to the point of making it dangerouse?

What you’re describing is essentially identical to an Aquaterra Jocassee (or an Old Town Loon II, which seems to be a knock-off of the Jocassee), except that Aquaterra never thought it through to the point of making alternate hard covers for the cockpit. Their customer rep seemed to think I was strange when I suggested it. There are some limitations to the concept: Even a 7-foot cockpit gets awfully small when you put 2 people in it. Any 3rd person in the cockpit has to be very small or very cozy with the rear(most!) paddler. There is, as you suggest, a problem with longitudinal stiffness. The Jocassee uses three long metal tubes for structural reinforcement. A hard cockpit cover would contribute some more rigidity if it were rigidly attached, though I’m not certain how this could be done without adding a lot of weight for the attachment fixtures. If you don’t devise a rigid cockpit top, there’s nothing to brace yourself in the boat with for control or rolling. I’m currently trying to figure out some kind of thigh straps or other supports to overcome this. If you don’t make a rigid top with a standard cockpit opening, you can’t get a spray skirt for the big cockpit. Aquaterra’s Jocassee spray skirt has serious functional limitations that even their rep admits. I’m still working on making it just stay on reliably. Used without a cover, that big a cockpit lets a lot of water splash and wash in, and holds a tremendous volume of water if capsized or swamped. It probably needs all of the extra floatation you can devise. With all of the above considerations, my son and I still enjoy the Jocassee, and devising workarounds for problems makes it a kind of do-it-yourself project. If you don’t like working with lots of compromises, though, you might be better off to build/acquire two boats – one for the family and a single for when you want to play alone. I was sold the Jocassee as a "sea kayak" when I knew even less about kayaking than I do now. It’s definitely not a sea kayak (although it’s getting closer as I work at it). Anyway, that would resolve only the family issue; casting the fly will remain a problem …

This I don’t see as a problem (although I don’t fly-fish – maybe I’m missing something). I can do anything in the Jocassee that I can do in a canoe. Enjoy whatever you do. Ira  Adams

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To acheive the level of net_notoriety that took T-Bone so long to get in such a short timeframe, then leave!

Somebody tell George to change his name to GBone and keep posting. Mitch

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Donald Phillipson writes: Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la. . . . My time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’. . . . Since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand. . . . I’m quite glad to see the back of someone so so hostile he will talk to no one unwilling to have his lights punched out for thinking differently, and so conceited he offers to "resign" from a newsgroup open to all, where he finds the majority "vicious" (twice.)

I for one am sorry to see George go. Once I got used to his way of presenting himself it was obvious he had a different point of view, was not afraid to express it and was a bit of a character- therefore adding an entertainment factor. Outside of the diatribes, his input certainly had value. However, seems like George is a bit split and one minute is fine and the next raging. Can’t follow that too well. I think George needs to develop a thicker skin and to stop reading each post as an attack of some sort. Some of the things he would go off on were pretty mild at best, I thought. Too bad he can’t seem to develop a perspective on this type of forum. $0.02 Jon

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Goodbye and good riddance you pompous piece of shit. You aint no Jesus Christ, you aint no Joan of Arc and nobody around here cares much about your free roaming reputation. You libertarian lunatics are all alike, ignorant robber baron wanna-bes who’d be rich and famous if the guvmint would just stay the hell out of things and let the mythical free market run its course. I got news for you pal, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that the "pilot fish" have made a fortune in fly fishing and you’re a miserable bitter failure. Deal with it. — Ken Fortenberry

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The yuppy bastards have won.

Oh, but give them a few decades and they’ll surely become the nasty old bastards that we all know and love.   Besides, Mr. Gehrke will be back. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, really.         I had a *very* personal stake in the Oklahoma bombing. The paranoid rantings of George Gerhke could have been pulled, word for word, from Timothy McVay’s diary. The militant right has promised to strike again.          When they pull the next little girl out from under the rubble, I’ll be damn sure my business proceeds didn’t promote the tragedy.          I don’t care if Gink can float a spark plug, I won’t have anything to do with it.         Loon’s Aquel works better than Gink anyway         -More serious than I want to be, Ralph   Really ?   Harry Jeez. All that work to get rid of Gink. It was worth the effort.       -Ralph   Really ?   Harry

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I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life.

Look in the mirror and call Jack Kevorkian, pal. You won’t be missed.

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Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.

Dear George: Sorry to see you go… your spirit and knowledge will be missed by this lurker and fly fishing newbie. Dont’t go away mad… Stay and enjoy the madness! DawsonH

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Play my way or I’ll take my ball and go home he says with a grin. Adios Mr "Professional Sportsman"!  I wish you luck in your search for a receptive forum for your thoughts – though I can’t imagine where that might be (short of the Natl. Enquirer et al, or the lobotomy ward). I guess since he resigned he’ll never see this though…right? cheers from an "average-stupid-vicious-natured"    (translation: I disagree with his bullshit)    -tgades

Toche’ Tony… I suppose that given the fact that I to am an "average-stupid- vicous-natured" lady  or  gentleman, I guess I was to brain-dead to muster up the energy to try and respond to the mostly well balanced and centered ideals this "gentleman sport" was kind enough to grace this list with.  I also suppose my dendrites and synapses would go all a-flutter in a mis-firing symphony of confusion and melencholy when I would read this most astute man’s well informed observations.  I too will soarly miss the "big old malcontented opinionated moiling mass of discust and negetive energy".   We’ll miss you on the bully pulpit George BRUNO

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Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.

Oh NO! And after all we did to make you feel welcome here?!? Some of you that will rejoice because you are the ones who hate superiority, kindess, originality, and pure genius.

Uh oh, Eugene…Here we go again: "superiority"? "pure genius"? Who – YOU? George, do you actually read this stuff before you click on the Send button? Do you have any notion of the bombastic content of just that single sentence? Do you *really* believe that anyone can read this type of content and not be immediately disgusted? You, are the ones who feed upon others because you are failures.

Um, yeah, right…I’ll match my patents with you anytime, George… To T-bone and those like him, and including England, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, Russia, Japan, Alaska, Canada, and all my other Net corresponding friends, I say a fond ado.  You have my e-mail address and serious business discussions here may be answered as I see fit to respond.  

I’ll keep my curiosity about how this love affair between you and our good friend Mr. Walker got started in abatement – but who are these other people you listed? Mr. England? Mr. Australia? They all sound like countries to me… Otherwise, my time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’.  

You’re pushing my good nature to the absolute limit, George… Fly Fishing is a sport privy only to ladies and gentlemen, which this group has a serious shortage of.  

Wrong, George – and thank goodness, I say! Fly Fishing is no longer the sole province of the wealthy such as yourself, George. The common folk are now able to enjoy this same sport – which I suspect is what *really* rankles you. It’s clear that you just can’t face the fact that the underclass has access to the same water that you used to call your own. And not that it’s important, but many of us can probably cover more water from a given position than you – and using equipment that you’d probably turn your royal snoot up at… You see, George, the bottom line is this: you have no more a God Given Right to enjoy Fly Fishing than anyone else with a pulse. Get used to it, George. It’s Reality – like it or not. Usenet is for Just Plain Folkes, too, and if you can’t handle that, don’t let the virtual door hit you on your ass on the way out… I am tired of others taking ideas and turning them into their ideas.  This ‘Free Roaming Shark’ once again, had to carry too many ‘Pilot Fish’ who want nothing in life but a free ride on another’s talents.

Where the heck does *that* come from? First of all, in your short sojourn in this group, I’ve yet to read a *single unique idea* in your posts – that can be substantiated. Given your incredible self aggrandizement, it’s hard to accept any of your claims at face value. And in any case, you certainly didn’t propose anything that any intelligent well-read individual would call earth shattering. Methinks paranoia is getting the better of you… Since it was the majority that crucified Jesus Christ and who Burned Joan of Ark at the stake . . .

Geezus, there’s no end to the bombast and arrogance, is there? If you’re in any way, no matter how remotely, comparing yourself to either of the above, you are a *very sick individual* indeed, in immediate need of counseling… I do not intend to be a sick majorities band-wagon.  Lee Wulff wouldn’t stand for it, Charlie Brooks wouldn’t stand for it, and I won’t stand for it.

Here’s another nasty habit of yours that I suspect has turned off anyone who might have wanted to support you here: your incessant name dropping. Frankly, the way *you* do it, it’s sickening. My father and his FF cohorts fished with many of the greats of their time – but they *never* mention it unless asked, and even then they were reluctant to continue at any length. You, on the other hand, have this particularly obnoxious habit of flinging names out at the drop of a hat, as if invoking those ghosts will support your self-proclaimed greatness. It doesn’t work for you, George. It’s revolting… You are not the equal of Lee Wulff. You are not the equal of Charles Brooks. You are not the equal of Charles Ritz. And I wager that if they were here to listen to your self-aggrandizing puffery, they’d whack you upside the head – repeatedly – with an empty Bourbon bottle… So since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand.  

Well, *there’s* a well thought out presentation: you roar in here like you invented ROFF (of course, many if not most of us have been here for YEARS), insult (from afar, mind you) those that don’t agree with your every thought, and then you follow it with threats of physical violence! Remarkable. You are truly amazing… George, I can’t believe you’re really this idiotic, so you *must* have been drunk when you wrote this… I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life. John Wayne doesn’t drink out of a glass cup nor did he hang around with chicken shits.

There you go again, George. My guess is that Mr. Wayne wouldn’t have let you shine his shoes, never mind speak for him. Here’s a quarter – buy a clue: we don’t give two roadkilled rats about who you claim to have known. I have read an extensive collection of first printings authored by some of the people whose names you unrepentently fling about, and amazingly – you’re NEVER MENTIONED… That said, some of us *were* interested in the (very few) thoughts you expressed that were *actually germaine to fly fishing*. But in your own, inimitable fashion, you managed to immediately turn us off with your incredible display of poor communication skills. And, for what it’s worth, I notice that ROFF isn’t the only conference where you’ve exhibited your lack of tact – in fact it seems that wherever you go, you just can’t seem to check your arrogance at the door before entering. Work on it, George… This group doesn’t deserve me.

After this diatribe you’ve gifted us with, with your true colors flying, you leave us no doubt that you’re more right than you know… It was fun for a while T-bone.  You and I could have been great friends. You, I understand.  But, you can have them.  They’re all yours!

fwiw: I invite Mr. Walker to grace me with a private email on what good he saw in you. After giving it the time it deserves (we’re talking *many* places to the right of the decimal point) it escapes me completely… I’ll miss the few good souls standing on the side-lines.  Whoever, they are.  I have a business to run and my business is no one elses business. Just don’t have any more time to waste here.

As we have no more time to waste listening to you stroke yourself in public… bye Mr. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

CYA, George. Have fun in your next life… Sincerely yours, /dave (not monetarily wealthy, but fly fishing for 33 years leaves me rich, indeed) [Posted and Mailed]

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Mr. Gehrke, … I am on a flyfishing knowledge quest and visit this site during lunch breaks. I find it very frustrating to waste my time opening a post to find some miserable little creep …..Very well put!

Resignation not accepted. Please stick around. I’m looking forward to more good info on FF no matter how it’s delivered. JD.

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[talk about lunatic raving...deleted] fwiw: I invite Mr. Walker to grace me with a private email on what good he saw in you. After giving it the time it deserves (we’re talking *many* places to the right of the decimal point) it escapes me completely…

What I saw in George Gerhke ? Love of all things wild and disgust in most things people. TimW I also saw someone handling a loaded weapon a little carelessly, [that of the power of the net and the printed word].  Instead of being even a little tolerant, we fire off 3 page diatribes calling him an asshole.  How would YOU respond ?  Probably just like George.

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Mr. Gehrke, I have tried to stay out of the discussions where you have been flamed. I am on a flyfishing knowledge quest and visit this site during lunch breaks. I find it very frustrating to waste my time opening a post to find some miserable little creep who is hiding behind the distance of his connection has nothing better to do than take negative swipes at other people. I have always tried to return to the community as much as I take from it and therefore have involved myself in my son’s activities (ie. coaching, coordination, etc.) have been  involved in a prfessional society (secretary) and am currently involved with a local fly fishing club. In every aspect of life I keep finding these misearble loser shits who think they have control by stonewalling others. They are losers in all aspects of life but spend their entire lives trying to convince themselves they are the best. Only they don’t know the truth. Good luck in your future endevours Mr. Gehrke. To those who know only how to criticize and not how to contribute, get lost. Go somewhere where you can kiss each others asses, and let the rest of us continue in our knowledge quest. B.

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Hey George! As a sideliner, I’m disappointed in your decision.  I enjoy reading fly fishing opinions and advice given by you, and others.  It always amazes me that so many peope write stuff they would never say face to face.  Simply being civil to one another should be our minimum standard.  Please remember that you too may be guilty of crossing that line, regardless of whether you crossed it first or just "rose to the bait.".   Stick around!  We need a wide range of folks to keep things interesting. Regards, Joe Andras – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la. Some of you that will rejoice because you are the ones who hate superiority, kindess, originality, and pure genius.  You, are the ones who feed upon others because you are failures. To T-bone and those like him, and including England, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, Russia, Japan, Alaska, Canada, and all my other Net corresponding friends, I say a fond ado.  You have my e-mail address and serious business discussions here may be answered as I see fit to respond.  Otherwise, my time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’.  Fly Fishing is a sport privy only to ladies and gentlemen, which this group has a serious shortage of.  I am tired of others taking ideas and turning them into their ideas.  This ‘Free Roaming Shark’ once again, had to carry too many ‘Pilot Fish’ who want nothing in life but a free ride on another’s talents. Since it was the majority that crucified Jesus Christ and who Burned Joan of Ark at the stake . . . I do not intend to be a sick majorities band-wagon.  Lee Wulff wouldn’t stand for it, Charlie Brooks wouldn’t stand for it, and I won’t stand for it. So since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand.  I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life. John Wayne doesn’t drink out of a glass cup nor did he hang around with chicken shits.  This group doesn’t deserve me. It was fun for a while T-bone.  You and I could have been great friends. You, I understand.  But, you can have them.  They’re all yours! I’ll miss the few good souls standing on the side-lines.  Whoever, they are.  I have a business to run and my business is no one elses business. Just don’t have any more time to waste here. bye Mr. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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Goodbye and good riddance you pompous piece of shit. You aint no Jesus Christ, you aint no Joan of Arc and nobody around here cares much about your free roaming reputation. You libertarian lunatics are all alike, ignorant robber baron wanna-bes who’d be rich and famous if the guvmint would just stay the hell out of things and let the mythical free market run its course. I got news for you pal, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that the "pilot fish" have made a fortune in fly fishing and you’re a miserable bitter failure. Deal with it. — Ken Fortenberry

  Hey Ken , now, how do you really feel ?      Harry

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George, stick with it. IMHO newsgroups are like anything else electronic: if you don’t like what the dopes say, turn them off; in this case, don’t read their drivel. It’s a pain in the ass to have all that spam clogging the group, but it seems to be everywhere on the net these days. – MM

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If I walked into a party and saw George across the room, and I would see him, as assuredly as I’d spot a toupee on a bald man, I’d be only too happy to give him a wide berth. We’re known by our words. Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.[snip] Fly Fishing is a sport privy only to ladies and gentlemen, which this group has a serious shortage of.[snip] So since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand.  I don’t need stupidity or inconsiderate people in my life. John Wayne doesn’t drink out of a glass cup nor did he hang around with chicken shits.

Mitch

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Well damn George, this is kind of a hit and run. To acheive the level of net_notoriety that took T-Bone so long to get in such a short timeframe, then leave, just won’t do ! You’ve shown an amazing talent for spawning impassioned discussion, for better or for worse, and have certainly established yourself as one of the more enigmatic posters I’ve read here and on alt.fishing back when. Your combination of fly fishing tradition and redneck sensibility leaves me with a vision of a guy in a tweed coat getting into a brawl in a seedy bar – it seems inconguous to me, but perhaps it’s just your writing style. Many of us have been on here for quite a few years, so we have a pretty good feel for each others’ personalities, etc. In reading your posts I always figured that in time I’d be able to figure out where your were coming from (T-Bone has always been much more perceptive than me , but your decision to head out leaves me thinking "Who was that guy anyways ?" Whether or not those here can call themselves "Fly Fishermen" is certainly not up to you, me or anyone else. You have to assume than we all log off these infernal machines and go out where you can actually breathe, that there is a fire that burns that transcends even politics. We notice the rings on a puddle of water we drive by at 90 MPH and wonder what did that. While our thoughts when not fishing may be more focussed on our differences than our similarities I think that’s normal in a forum like this. Anyway, I think you need to spend a lot more time here before you can make sweeping condemnations, but that’s my view and YMMV. For what it’s worth, you somehow managed to quickly establish yourself as a target here, and let’s face it, we fish because we’re predators :- If someone rises to your presentation you’re obligated to set the hook. Well Gee George, I rambled on almost as much as you did. You’re a strange guy George, or maybe you’re not, I can’t tell. Best of luck,                                                                 jc

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la. . . . My time, my energy, my efforts are not to be wasted on a vicious majority that is unworthy of my talents and who have no claim to be regarded as ‘Fly Fishermen’. . . . Since this media or group is surround by so many chickshits who don’t have courage to talk to a man in the face for fear of having their lights punched out, I’m simply going to revert back into a civil world of fly fishing I understand. . . . I’m quite glad to see the back of someone so so hostile he will talk to no one unwilling to have his lights punched out for thinking differently, and so conceited he offers to "resign" from a newsgroup open to all, where he finds the majority "vicious" (twice.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

I found George’s resignation note to be eloquent in the extreme. It takes real talent to write a good resignation.  If I’m any judge of character, we’ll be reading many more resignations from George from this news group in the future. If George is anything, he’s a very hard working guy. I’m sure his future resignations will be even better!  I look forward to them. zeno

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: bye : : : Mr. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Too bad, George.    I seem to find many fishermen cantancerous (I wish I’d learned to spell engineer), but I manage to try to get along with as many as I can and I’m not the easiest, either, to get along with (ask my wife). I find, George, there are times to tease (with caution), and times to use private mail. Stick around, George. I may not agree with every thing you state, but, I can always "kill" your messages if I tire of them. Every one has a vote, including T-Bone. Be tough and Lurk for a while to see if it quiets down, then re-enter with caution. Keep ‘em dry, — keep ‘em dry lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Fly Fishing Products Manufacturer/Gehrke’s Gink Due to the average stupidity and vicious nature and intellect of this group (excepting the few who are bright, intelligent and ladies and gentlemen) I submit my resignation from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly et.la.

Well, Play my way or I’ll take my ball and go home he says with a grin. Adios Mr "Professional Sportsman"!  I wish you luck in your search for a receptive forum for your thoughts – though I can’t imagine where that might be (short of the Natl. Enquirer et al, or the lobotomy ward). I guess since he resigned he’ll never see this though…right? cheers from an "average-stupid-vicious-natured"         (translation: I disagree with his bullshit)         -tgades —

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The Catskill Flyfishing Center and Museum opened a new building a few months ago. They have something going on almost every weekend. Give em your support. Phone 914-439-4810 for more info. Regards,

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Yes.  They have a beautiful new museum building which opened in November….I was there Saturday for their annual flea market.  It’s really a great spot to visit now….don’t miss it. Mike Coon Phoenicia, NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The Catskill Flyfishing Center and Museum opened a new building a few months ago. They have something going on almost every weekend. Give em your support. Phone 914-439-4810 for more info. Regards,

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I’m planning a trip down to Roscoe NY for the annual fly fishing flea market at the flyfishing museum.  Anybody been? Rick

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I’m planning a trip down to Roscoe NY for the annual fly fishing flea market at the flyfishing museum.  Anybody been?

No, when is it?  I’m heading down that way Sunday (8/20) evening to fish the Delaware and staying over a day.  I’m not sure which way is "down" for you but I’m heading there from Ithaca. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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On Saturday 8/26 there will be a fly-fishing flea market in Roscoe itself. See you there. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Richard Nathan) writes: I’m planning a trip down to Roscoe NY for the annual fly fishing flea market at the flyfishing museum.  Anybody been? No, when is it?  I’m heading down that way Sunday (8/20) evening to fish the Delaware and staying over a day.  I’m not sure which way is "down" for you but I’m heading there from Ithaca. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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On Saturday 8/26 there will be a fly-fishing flea market in Roscoe itself. See you there.

Is this an annual thing? —

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If anyone cares (please!), the editor/publisher of California Fly Fisher has finally figured out how to get his modem working without sending the rest of his hardware into a nervous breakdown. Current email addresses are And hey, fans of Seth Norman’s writing (as seen in such august pubs as Fly Rod & Reel, Gray’s Sporting Journal, Fied & Stream and – yow! – Cal FF) might like to know that, as of Jan 21, he’s the proud papa of baby Sofia. Ta ta for now, Richard Anderson

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If anyone cares (please!), the editor/publisher of California Fly Fisher has finally figured out how to get his modem working without sending the rest of his hardware into a nervous breakdown. Current email addresses are

Cool.  California Fly Fisher gets on to the Internet.  I’ll have you know that I have been promoting your magazine in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly since it’s debut issue and have posted the subscrition address a number of times.  Keep up the good work. — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA "Ask me about my vow of silence."

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Richard, great to have you online.  I never get to bed early the day your magazine arrives, because I’ll read it way into the night.  Please publish your e-mail addresses in your magazine also, I’m sure it will increase the letters to the editor. Keep up the great work!  We should have plenty of water next season!  Bill

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