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Bob Have you tried really small baits??   I use 3" twisty tails on a very light jig with 6lb test on tough days.  Just a thought. Merry Christmas and catch one for me cause all the water up here is hard. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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Bob Have you tried really small baits??   I use 3" twisty tails on a very light jig with 6lb test on tough days.  Just a thought. Merry Christmas and catch one for me cause all the water up here is hard.

You have my condolences.  Down here we only have to deal with hard water in our plumbing. I’ll try some smaller stuff like that for probing the bottom.  I usually use small stuff like1/8 oz spinners when it gets tough, but I forgot about using smaller bottom probing stuff. I even just picked up some small jigs because I want to try some float and fly next weekend floating a couple miles of the Colorado river. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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I may have mentioend once or twice before that I like to play around fishing the canals when I only have a few hours to fish.  During warm weather its great.  I have found where to catch a few, and they are always there.  Not many keepers, but lots of fun on light tackle with an occassional nice fish. Since the weather turned cooler they have all disappeared.  I know the bass still have to be there somewhere.  But I can’t find them.  I have heard that when the weather turns cold they head for deeper water, but I’m talking about canals here.  What deeper water? — Bob La Londe The Security Consultant http://www.diycomponents.com 849 S Ave C Yuma, Az 85364 (928)782-9765 ofc (928)782-7873 fax ROC 103044, C-12 ROC 103047, L-67

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(Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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It’s no worse than the other garbage they put out when they have guns that have a limitless supply of ammo, the semiauto pistol that needs to be cocked for each close-up, or the wrong reel on a fishing rod (I actually once saw someone using a spinning reel on a fly rod and reeling-in with their left hand in reverse direction!). One of the best is the ubiquitous "binocular view" which shows two conjoined circles with a magnification of 100X and no handshake! It makes you wonder who they have as consultants and how to get one of those jobs. Like you I could go on and on. I’m sure others have even more outrageous "pet peeves". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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I’m a pilot so my "favorite" is when people carry on a perfectly normal conversation while flying in a small aircraft. If you’ve ever been in one, you’ll know just how impossible this is… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

Not to mention the way the actor with the camera lunges forward like a swordsman as he takes the shot, hits the trigger before the camera is up to eye level … and then produces pin-sharp no-shake shots! Colin

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  I take it you haven’t seen the movie "Blow Up".   I’m particularly fond of the 100mm lens shown is such ticght close up you can read the manufacturer’s name, which then takes close ups of the mobsters hanging out two blocks down the street.   But let’s face it, tv is tv and the movies are the movies. Ever notice that when the "client" gives the P.I. a snap of the beloved missing wife-husband-brother-daughter it looks a lot like a studio head shot? — Digital photo restoration in autumnal Chapel Hill NC http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/magor/tony New – A Digital Workflow + Sharpness: Threat or Menace? And Selecting Your First SLR  - Java must be enabled Before you buy.

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Although I agree with you, I must say that Hollywood is actually improving itself as we speak… More and more films are made with realism in mind… I have The Boondock Saints in my DVD collection, and in a press conference-scene, you see a journalis with a camera that looks like an EOS 50 (ElanII), with a 300/4L, taking pictures at ~1 meter, with BOTH hands on the camera body… Not very real… I also have U-571, in wich they built two subs (one based mostly on photos, and the other based on blueprints) and LOADS of uniforms as correctly as they could… The inner workings of the subs was reproduced as accurately as they could… Valves, wheels, lights, commands being shouted – everything… It all depends on wether you’re watching a sci-fi (everything from fairly beliavable to utter nonsense) or a "Van Damme" (utter nonsense) to historical (everything from artistic impression ("but if that character dies, the movie will be SOOOO much better") to super-accurate)… — Snorre A. Selmer Helgeshaugen 25 3517 H

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What do you guys think? — Padishar Creel

 Mike is gone.  Never to grace ROFF again! Opie

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Hold the presses, did I hear that Mike is not going to be part of ROFF?  I want my membership dues refunded immediately.  Mike is one of the best, if not the best part of this NG and we need the long rodder in our midst.  I say we *not accept* Mike’s resignation.  Who is the hell does he thing he is?  He can’t quit, he belongs to us…he must of missed the fine print in the contract, but no ill feelings Mike, just get your butt back on line, pronto, Mister Connor. I think a poem from Mike will suffice as penance!  What do you guys think?

The following which was posted 9/30/00 by Mr. Connor, is one of my favorites: The angler stood in silent concentration casting to a rise a passer-by quite interested, watched the angler cast his flies. "Are there any fish in here" he asked of our friend piscator at last, "I have never seen one here at all, not today, or ever in the past". "There are a few",  our angler then replied with friendly smile, "But it

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"Grin" Very enjoyable read!! jim

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[snip] I had a great time.  Walt and Jeff were fine gentlemen and wonderful fishin’ buddies.

Yadda, yadda, yadda, now tell us the truth, eh!  :) Peter

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[snip] I had a great time.  Walt and Jeff were fine gentlemen and wonderful fishin’ buddies.

You had me going up until this statement. I expect the two guys you fished with were really Leigh Perkins and Lefty Kreh out slumming, they like to do that to stay in touch with the little people<g. (You didn’t buy any books, videos or dog beds from them did you?) — Charlie…

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(You didn’t buy any books, videos or dog beds from them did you?) — Charlie…

All three items, why do you ask? Opus

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All three items, why do you ask?

In that case, they *will* be back<g. — Charlie…

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This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly. Well that’s cool, it was worth it.  I could practically taste the beer and feel the cold water.  That’s why we argue so much you know, because we’re stuck behind our computer, bitter and cranky because we’re not actually

fishing. Speak for yourself, Jeff Actually, I did go fishing yesterday morning at the pond and caught a bunch. Not trout, but satisfying nonetheless. Afternoon fishing has been really good so just lemme know when you want to go again. –Steve

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Steve, At the very least you could have noted the *substance* of my report. You bitch. <G Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly. Well that’s cool, it was worth it.  I could practically taste the beer and feel the cold water.  That’s why we argue so much you know, because we’re stuck behind our computer, bitter and cranky because we’re not actually fishing. Speak for yourself, Jeff Actually, I did go fishing yesterday morning at the pond and caught a bunch. Not trout, but satisfying nonetheless. Afternoon fishing has been really good so just lemme know when you want to go again. –Steve

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This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly.

Well that’s cool, it was worth it.  I could practically taste the beer and feel the cold water.  That’s why we argue so much you know, because we’re stuck behind our computer, bitter and cranky because we’re not actually fishing. Regards, Jeff

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Speak for yourself, Jeff Actually, I did go fishing yesterday morning at the pond and caught a bunch. Not trout, but satisfying nonetheless. Afternoon fishing has been really good so just lemme know when you want to go again. –Steve

Sure!  Really good for *you*!  (This is an inside joke people.  Last time we went Steve caught a bass on his first cast, before I even was rigged.  On that shiny new bamboo rod of his, no less.  I proceeded to catch nothing.  He even gave me his exact fly.  The only thing I hooked was a rock which busted my line.  I think it was a native though, while Steve’s was stocked.) OK, maybe I’ll give it another shot…. Regards, Jeff

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This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly.  Steve’s fault because of his no *substance* post last evening, Jeff’s because he had the audacity to e-mail me asking about the trip.  My hand was forced.  What follows is tedious and mind numbing, read at your own risk. Opie REPORT:  Fishin’ with Walt Winter and Jeffrey Miller We met at the confluence of Howard’s Creek and Wilson’s Creek.  I arrived first.  I was promptly accosted by dos game wardens.  I was handing over my fishin’ license, when the ranger dude said, "I smell the strong odor of marijuana, do you have any marijuana in your possession?" I had just finished a beer, and at first, I thought he was actually asking about the odor of alcohol.  I regained my composure, and told him I did not have any pot and that he was welcome to search my Suburban.  He declined.  I was wearing a skull bandana, and I sport a goatee.  There was no odor of pot present, eight or so years ago there would have been, but alas no longer.  I can only assume that I was profiled.  I was unaware that the rangers service had an *idiot* profiling program. I was still waiting for Walt and Jeff Miller, so I decide on another beer. I was leaned over in the front of my truck (that’s what I call my Suburban, no need to tell me its not a truck) reaching into the cooler for another beer, when someone said, "Had any luck?"  I spun around to see who it was, as I had not heard another vehicle pull up.  It was another game warden.  I dropped the beer I was holding back into the cooler.  I frantically started out of the truck and said that I had started fishin’ yet. He said, "but I see your boots are wet."  Shit these guyz are sticklers for detail.  I had been in the stream, while waiting on Jeff and Walt.  I proceeded to stammer well yeah, I had actually been in the stream casting a fly, but was really waiting on some buddies to really get started fishin’. I rambled nervously about having met Walt and Jeff over the internet at ROFF .  He was totally disinterested and probably thought this was some strange gay flyfishin’ site.  He asked for my license.  I stated that I had already been checked and wanted to know if he smelt the strong odor marijuana.  He look at me very puzzled, so I explained the previous rangers comments.  He declined to see my license since I had already been checked. However, he did want to search my truck for contraband.  He peered in, saw the all the shit I keep in my truck and waived any further search.  Gotcha! Walt and Jeff finally drove up.  I couldn’t help but notice when they stepped from the truck that they both used walkers.  Greeting were exchanged I was proffered a beer.  Still trembling from my last encounter with the ranger, I declined.  Walt proceeded to eat everything in site. Finally, we hit the stream.  I had tied on a dry fly with dropper nymph in tow.  I believe both Walt and Jeff had tied on straight nymphs.  The wind whip at gale force.  The Sun shone brightly.  We moved up the stream takin’ turns casting to unseen fish.  There were small mayflys buzzin’ about here and there, but no real hatch to speak of. I, being the magnanimous sort, said I would defer to the masters.  Walt proceeded to get hung-up in a tree, Jeff was having trouble casting and maintaining his walker too.  I decided then and there, I could fish with these guyz. To be perfectly honest, not much happened fish wise for me.  Walt did catch a few nice Browns.  The wind blew incessantly all day.  Jeff and I had a few hits but no landings. We decided to head back around five-ish.  We looked for a trail out.  I found an old loggin’ trail that led us into the thick of the mountain laurels.  We got back on the stream believing cliff climbing beat bushwhacking.  After a bit more rock hoppin’, Walt found a marked trail which we took.  It led us right back to the stream about fifty yards or so beyond where we had begun the trail.  Agreeing now that we would just rock hop and cliff climb our way out, I said follow me boys and proceeded across the stream.  Two steps and I was lying flat on my back in the stream.  They left me to flounder about, and took a dryer route. We made it back to the trucks before dark, popped the tops on some beers. They drank  some vile shit, I chose to drink an import (Coors Light).  They declined my offer of beef jerky, I declined their offer to go fuck myself. We drove to the top of the mountain stopped had another beer together, talked a bit, froze a bit, and finally parted ways vowing to never meet again!  The End. I had a great time.  Walt and Jeff were fine gentlemen and wonderful fishin’ buddies.

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Your pal, George —

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Nope. Not ever. At least not as long as you and I and other good Americans Romanticist Gentlemen have a pulse, a synapse, a keyboard and an ISP. You Go George. You’ve done more for flyfishing than the rest of us turkeys combined will ever do and they would do well to remember this. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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TWalker: (speaking to George G.) <<You’ve done more for flyfishing than the rest of us turkeys combined will ever do and they would do well to remember this. But, will they?  I doubt it like hell. Dave LaCourse

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TWalker: (speaking to George G.) You’ve done more for flyfishing than the rest of us turkeys combined will ever do and they would do well to remember this. But, will they?  I doubt it like hell.

Tim, Dave, and yes, you too, George, here’s the thing: while I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says about it, I – and I suspect that most everyone else that frequents this group – respect George’s experience and knowledge about *flyfishing*. It’s the rest of the wild-eyed, off-topic, bilious rantings that George has the prediliction to post here that many (if not most) of us resent and have no respect for, and which detract from George’s overall "Esteem Index". George doesn’t need to be "PC" – but certainly he needs to learn not to blow a hole in his own foot when shooting his mouth off in public. When he went on a bender and used this forum to trash Canadians, for example, the fallout from that markedly diminished the respect people here might otherwise have had for his flyfishing experience. And those of us who remember his first few weeks on ROFF will never be able to separate those lunatic tirades from "the rest of George". As I’ve said before, George is clearly his own worst enemy. George is clearly an intelligent human being who in spite of his years hasn’t quite gotten the Big Picture yet. In his favor, there’s still time and hope… /dave

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Very well put, and correct.  Having done something positive in the past does not necessarily mean you can then do a lot of negative things with impunity, much less expect your well earned respect for the positive aspects to be maintained by others in the face of sometimes almost overwhelming negatives. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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Anyone have info on fly fishing at Lake Casitas and/or along the beach in Ventura/Santa Barbara area?  Looking to do some fishing closer to home. Thanks Jeff M.

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Check with Jandd Mountaineering in Santa Barbara 882-1195.  They have a fly shop and might be able to help you.  If not there is a new shop in Santa Barbara called "MacDuff’s" in the 1000 or 1100 block of State St. that should be able to help.  Surf Perch fishing is pretty good with crab patterns along the Ventura beach area. Wes along the beach – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -in Ventura/Santa Barbara area?  Looking to do some fishing closer to home. Thanks Jeff M.

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A friend has a decent two piece bamboo rod but the ferrules are damaged and he wants to replace the ferrules.  Any one have a suggestion on where these can be found?

Hi Steve, I think that Cortland bought out Rodon, rod building components, a while back and I think I got some good nickel silver ferrules from them for about $35 a set. Call me at 800/4000FLY and I’ll check in the catologs for you. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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A friend has a decent two piece bamboo rod but the ferrules are damaged and he wants to replace the ferrules.  Any one have a suggestion on where these can be found?

Collected a couple of years ago…. 1.  in Toronto, famous rod builder Ted Knott 2.  Bruce Conner (Cane Rod FAQ) rx. Bailey Woods- Classic Sporting Enterprises, Box 1909, Fitch Hill Rd., Hyde Park, VT  05655    (802) 888-7859. I have found two sources for ferrules for cane [ bamboo] fods. On is from the Powell Rod company in Chico, Ca. You may reach them at 1-800- 782-7600 inside Ca. Outside Ca. call 1-800-228-0615. They can supply both Hard Chrome ferrules as well as the more expensive nickel silver ferrules. If you are looking to more closely restore the rod to original condition you might try Classic Sporting Enterprises Inc. Roaring Brook Rd. RD#3 Box 3 Barton, Vermont 05822. Their phone # is (802) 525 3623. 4.  I eventually bought odd ferrules directly from Orvis (Peter Brown, fishing manager) — 802 362-3750 or fax 802 362-3525 Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly If you’re looking for chrome-plated brass try Netcraft – (419) 472-8058 – FAX  -9826 They have 10/11 (64’s) pair on up to 24/25 (64’s). If you want nickel-silver ferules, try Dale Clemens – (610) 395-5119 – FAX 398-2580 or  Angler’s Workshop – (360) 225-9445  - FAX 225-8641. Also, take out a second on the house ($30-40 US). You also might try surfing over to URL — http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm  and ask for their latest "The Classic Chronicle" newsletter. They have new and used ferrules listed. Pick-up a couple of cane rods while you’re there. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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A friend has a decent two piece bamboo rod but the ferrules are damaged and he wants to replace the ferrules.  Any one have a suggestion on where these can be found? Steve           __                /          Steven Patterson, Ph.D.         / ..|       Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry        (_  |_)      University of Notre Dame       /            _   /  `   |        \/    | _        A Protestant dawg at a Catholic University     /_ || \_        ____)|_) _)  

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says… Hi, I’m planning a trip to the Banff/Lake Louise area in early Sept. Any info re: hotels, guides, expected conditions and how to escape the tourists would be appreciated. Thanks in advance JT

The Bow around Banff will be clear and low – blue winged olives will be the fly to try for rainbows or browns,  or cutthroats in the upper reaches. Rocky mountain whitefish are common, and the odd bull trout (Alberta’s provincial fish) is an interesting possibility.  Lake trout will be on deep trolling only that time of year – but can be a blast with a fly rod and a streamer on a downrigger (makes the purists scream too!) Brookies mainly in the beaverponds and oxbows of the Bow River. Hotels will still be charging high season rates – about double what they are at the end of the month. There is an excellent hostel in Banff, and another one in Lake Louise – you may want to check with your local International Hostel Association for membership/rates. You are (will be) a tourist. But there’s tons of backcountry to ‘escape’ to and a good guide will help.   Try Upper Bow Valley Fly Fishing in Banff- Dan Bell at (403) 760-7668 fax 762-8263 – he a super drift boat guide, has excxellent knowledge of area lakes, or can even arrange for a helicopter trip if you’ve got the budget. My close second choice would be the Green Drake Fly Shop in Canmore (403) 678-9525 fax (403) 678-2183  They do a lot of guiding, and have an excellent little shop that while difficult to find – is worth your while. Free and friendly and specific advise to c&r fishers. Tight lines & short strings Andrew Whittick   Banff Alberta

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Hi, I’m planning a trip to the Banff/Lake Louise area in early Sept. Any info re: hotels, guides, expected conditions and how to escape the tourists would be appreciated. Thanks in advance JT

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says… Hi, I’m planning a trip to the Banff/Lake Louise area in early Sept. Any info re: hotels, guides, expected conditions and how to escape the tourists would be appreciated. Thanks in advance JT

ps – almost forgot when fishing in Canada’s Mountain National Parks – you may not use lead weighted flys or lead weights less than 50 grams. No such restrictions outside of the parks though.  Floating the Bow River from Banff to Canmore will require a National Parl fishing license, and an Alberta license. Both are quite inexepensive (under $20 CDN) Andrew Whittick   Banff Alberta

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I will be in New Mexico between November 6th and 19th.  I am planing to fish the San Juan.  Can anyone tell me how the fishing is that time of the year?  Are there other rivers that fish well in Nov?  Any suggestions regarding flies would also be appreciated.

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I will be in New Mexico between November 6th and 19th.  I am planing to fish the San Juan.  Can anyone tell me how the fishing is that time of the year?  Are there other rivers that fish well in Nov?  Any suggestions regarding flies would also be appreciated.

The fishing on San Juan seems to never change! It is always excellent. Please dress for all weather types and chest waders are mandatory. The water is between 36 and 42 degrees. We also just had a cold front come through and cooled things off. Check out http://www.thereellife.com/reellife/ for the fishing reports of this area and for the San Juan. I maintain this site for the store it represents. T. Edwards

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I can’t believe you people keep falling for this stuff.  You need to just ignore the post altogether. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh say can you see, by the prides early light, that you are a fool, for buying the Ford.  And the engine breaks down,  you feel like a clown, Thats right you un-intelligent flag wavers!  Why is it that you all seem so hung up on BUY AMERICAN!   Why is it that innocent women get harrased by union truck drivers for driving a foriegn vehicle?  Would you like your wife,  daughter or mom to be insulted by some greasy moron who says