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Hello Jan, I am not a flyfishermen yet, but there’s are some in San Francisco. I am in no way affiliated with any fishing shops. San Francisco: Fly Fishing Outfitters (415) 781-3474 there are others… check out their link: http://www.scottflyrod.com/sfr/Dealers/dwstcost.html LELAND FLY FISHING OUTFITTERS 463 BUSH ST SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94108 USA ph: 415-781-3474 URL: http://www.flyfishingoutfitters.com Go the www.sageflyfishing.com and they have a dealer locator also. We also have a flyfishing expert at TackleTour if you have any additional questions. www.tackletour.com Jack Ip Senior Editor of TackleTour http://www.tackletour.com Hey everyone, I’ll be comming to SF in a couple of months and since Scott and Sage rods are pretty expensive here in europe I hope to do some shopping while there. Where would you recommend that I’d go look-see for fly rods in SF ? Best, Jan, Denmark

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Hey everyone, I’ll be comming to SF in a couple of months and since Scott and Sage rods are pretty expensive here in europe I hope to do some shopping while there. Where would you recommend that I’d go look-see for fly rods in SF ? Best, Jan, Denmark

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Hey everyone, I’ll be comming to SF in a couple of months and since Scott and Sage rods are pretty expensive here in europe I hope to do some shopping while there. Where would you recommend that I’d go look-see for fly rods in SF ?

<SHAMELESS PLUG Hey there Jan – Our San Rafael store is just about 15 minutes north of the Golden Gate bridge – we’ve been a  Sage Dealer since there were Sage dealers, and have Scott, Winston, G. Loomis, St. Croix and others. Location & Maps: http://www.westernsportshop.com/stores.html General Fly Fishing Dept Info: http://www.westernsportshop.com/flyf.html If you manage to get out on March 2-3rd, we’ll be at the Fly Fishing Show in San Rafael, along with many manufacturers and a lot of events. Fly Show Info: http://www.flyfishingshow.com/marin.html We also run our own Fly Fishing Fair – the first Saturday in May, but this year it will be up at our Santa Rosa store (about an hour north of the GG Bridge).  We’ll have more info on our website as it gets closer. Have a safe trip! — Jim —      http://www.westernsportshop.com Western Sport Shop Discussion forums –      http://www.westernsportshop.com/forums.html Western Sport Shop Email Newsletter Signup –      http://lists.westernsportshop.com/mailman/listinfo/wss-newsletter

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Hey everyone, I’ll be comming to SF in a couple of months and since Scott and Sage rods are pretty expensive here in europe I hope to do some shopping while there. Where would you recommend that I’d go look-see for fly rods in SF ?

The Internet: George Gehrke http://www.gink.com

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Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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Hi Mike,     The Bay Area is an absolute nightmare to obtain hanger space.  Most of the airports have LONG waiting lists (like three years).  I think you really only have two options while you wait for a hanger to become available. 1) Settle for a tie-down instead of a hanger (much more available) 2) Hanger your planes much farther away at an outlying bay-area community though they can be just as bad. Even here in the Sacramento valley hangers are at a premium.  I wish I could afford moving to one of the communities where you can taxi your plane into your house-hanger. Good luck, Jeff Wiens N19480

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here.

I met someone the other day who lives in San Jose and said he had just gotten a hangar in Concord.  That’s a drive I would get tired of very fast, but it might be the best you can do. Walter

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Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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I used to live in Novato and I can tell you that I have frequently flown the approach to Gnoss (and Petaluma) and reached minimums before reaching the TOP of the clouds.   I usually fly there in the summer to go fishing in Tomales Bay, so I need to get in early..  I would not want to be based there. Mike MU-2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks all, for the feedback. I’m currently tied down at Buchanan in Concord, about 35 min from my swingin’ bachelor pad in the city.  That’s about as far as I’d care to go.  Gnoss would be an ideal choice, but I haven’t done my homework yet on how often the little airport by the bay gets socked in (not to mention getting myself on the list(s) there).  Concord may yet prove to be the best thing going, having both drier conditions and instrument approches, assuming I don’t often want to fly shortly after evening rush hour. thought I might catch someone on this list who needs to sublet for a while, either at concord or elsewhere. best, Miles Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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thanks all, for the feedback. I’m currently tied down at Buchanan in Concord, about 35 min from my swingin’ bachelor pad in the city.  That’s about as far as I’d care to go.  Gnoss would be an ideal choice, but I haven’t done my homework yet on how often the little airport by the bay gets socked in (not to mention getting myself on the list(s) there).  Concord may yet prove to be the best thing going, having both drier conditions and instrument approches, assuming I don’t often want to fly shortly after evening rush hour. thought I might catch someone on this list who needs to sublet for a while, either at concord or elsewhere. best, Miles – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Various FBOs will rent you space.  It is going to be expensive, probably close to $500/mo, each.  Tie downs are available.  Also someone said you could rent a hangar in Byron. Another option is to check the boards at the various FBOs and airports, sometimes people are looking for hangar mates. Regarding waiting lists, I am on the hangar list at Livermore.  Been on the single hangar list for 4 years, had an option for a sun shade but passed that up, might get a hangar in 4 more years.  On the twin list for two years, expect to be on that list for 10 years more.  jerry Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but a buddy of mine with a Champ and me with my Archer are looking to share a hangar in the Bay Area.  Haven’t found anything but waiting lists, so I thought I’d post here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. best, Miles N6819J

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Absolutely Abe!!!!!!! — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RodMaker wrote!! AJH, Nothing wrong with fiberglass rods. Used in the correct applications. I agree with you RodMaker!! I use my fiberglass rods to fish my crankbaits with and a few other lures too!!

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For cranks, go to a 7 ft. or 7 1/2 ft. stick not only will you gain some in casting distance; but you will like the "feel" more .A med/heavy is more that adequate for this purpose. — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rodmaker;I just bought a nice 6 1/2 ft  fiberglass rod made by Abu Garcia, I thought I needed it for crankbaits but after using it a few times I set it aside with the other "had to have" stuff. I read too much about fishing.. Fiberglass has it’s place and had it’s time. It rests next to a Fenwick HMG 6 1/2 ft spinning rod that I "had to have"

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Oh-oh! a whole new can of worms! — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing wrong with a Shakespeare Wonder reel and a Mitchell 300 either. Lets hear it from the "I still use a Mitchell 300" guys.

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Huh The description of the repair is detailed with pictures. I have all the confidence that the repair would be adequate. I think the man is trying to repair a fibre glass rod of sentimental value. I f he repairs it himself and does an adequate job it will add to it’s sentimental value. It would for me. Al – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Al, stick to things that you are learned about! C. Boyd Phiffer’s advice is antiquated at best. If you have a real question, ask — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe! There is a book entitled Tackle Care and Repair Handbook (Field & Stream) by C. Boyd Pfeiffer. It is a paperback book. Chapter 6 is on rod repair and there are a few pages about re installing (taping then wrapping) your missing guide. You may be able to get the book at the library. For others the book covers repair and maintenance of rod,reel,lures and accessories. Al

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The Epoxymoron somehow seems to fit, Mike!But what is a "respectable" Rodmaker? Anyone care to know my take? — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Respectable rodmaker"…..? There’s two words you don’t see next to each other too often. Hmmm, alliteration and an oxymoron rolled into one…or would that be an epoxymoron.  LOL  Just kidding RodMaker. — "Mad-Mikey"  At first, fishing and hunting were just hobbies,              then they became addictions taking all my time              and money. If they ever find a cure for these              sicknesses—   I’m refusing treatment. Before you buy.

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HMG 6 1/2 ft spinning rod that I "had to have" And what would you want for that HMG?

– "Mad-Mikey"  At first, fishing and hunting were just hobbies,              then they became addictions taking all my time              and money. If they ever find a cure for these              sicknesses—   I’m refusing treatment. Before you buy.

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Al, stick to things that you are learned about! C. Boyd Phiffer’s advice is antiquated at best. If you have a real question, ask — ~~~~ The RodMaker (a.k.a) The Shadow……hehehe!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a book entitled Tackle Care and Repair Handbook (Field & Stream) by C. Boyd Pfeiffer. It is a paperback book. Chapter 6 is on rod repair and there are a few pages about re installing (taping then wrapping) your missing guide. You may be able to get the book at the library. For others the book covers repair and maintenance of rod,reel,lures and accessories. Al

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There is a book entitled Tackle Care and Repair Handbook (Field & Stream) by C. Boyd Pfeiffer. It is a paperback book. Chapter 6 is on rod repair and there are a few pages about re installing (taping then wrapping) your missing guide. You may be able to get the book at the library. For others the book covers repair and maintenance of rod,reel,lures and accessories. Al

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RodMaker wrote!! AJH, Nothing wrong with fiberglass rods. Used in the correct applications. I agree with you RodMaker!! I use my fiberglass rods to fish my crankbaits with and a few other lures too!!

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Rodmaker;I just bought a nice 6 1/2 ft  fiberglass rod made by Abu Garcia, I thought I needed it for crankbaits but after using it a few times I set it aside with the other "had to have" stuff. I read too much about fishing.. Fiberglass has it’s place and had it’s time. It rests next to a Fenwick HMG 6 1/2 ft spinning rod that I "had to have"

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Nothing wrong with a Shakespeare Wonder reel and a Mitchell 300 either. Lets hear it from the "I still use a Mitchell 300" guys.

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My dad had a ‘51 Kaiser. Was a nice car back then.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing wrong with a Shakespeare Wonder reel and a Mitchell 300 either. Lets hear it from the "I still use a Mitchell 300" guys.

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My dad had a ‘51 Kaiser. Was a nice car back then.

That’s a very questionable position, Bob.  I know, I inherited one from my father-in-law. 3" diameter round push buttons in middle of door panels to open the doors. Doesn’t matter if the lock button is pushed or not. Door pops open when you push the big button. Talk about convenience! Great way to get rid of unwanted relatives. Since the windows were always open anyway (the side windows had a habit of shattering when you hit a decent bump), you just ask ol’ Uncle Dan (who is riding shotgun)to hit the button and roll the window up as you’re taking a hard left. RichZ

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I caught a 12# Carp last summer using 3 nightcrawlers on a size 1/0 hook.

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the Biggest Carp I ever caught was a 20Lber on the Fox River in Illinois, On a nightcrawler. I caught a 12# Carp last summer using 3 nightcrawlers on a size 1/0 hook.

– Mike….. All women want me, And All fish fear me!

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one thing I liked most about useing strawberry pop and wheaties doughball

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the Biggest Carp I ever caught was a 20Lber on the Fox River in Illinois, On a nightcrawler. I caught a 12# Carp last summer using 3 nightcrawlers on a size 1/0 hook. — Mike….. All women want me, And All fish fear me!

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There are many state records, other documented catches (such as the In-Fisherman Master Angler Contest) and "surprised" bass anglers that catch the largest lunker carp on minnow, crawfish and other swimming "critter" lures.  There seems to be a trend that many of the biggest of the big carp rely more on a meat diet to support themselves. By biggest of the big I’m talking carp in the 30-50 lb range. Pat Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have always had good luck for carp with night crawlers and doughball. My doughball consists of cornmeal, flour, strawberry extract, and strawberry jello mix to help hold it all together.  Mix them all up in a bowl, roll them into baseball size balls, wrap them in foil, and put in the fridge to allow the jello to set.  Then, take them fishing and pinch small pieces from the ball as you need them for bait. What size carp do you catch with nightcrawlers?  I have never caught anything but juveniles with worms.  The adults seem to be total vegetarians, in my experience. —  << << << << << << << <<  << << << << << << << <<

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Hi, I am a beginner in fishing and I was wondering if bread is a good bait for catching carp?What would be the best way to put bread on a hook so it wont fall off?Whats would be the best size hook to use? thanks

Hi Tony, I grew up on the banks of the Sacramento River just south of Sacramento. My brothers and I made our own dough with flower from the kitchen. You add water to wheat flower and mix it by hand in a bowl untill it is about like ‘Play Dough’. We added anything for smell, like bacon grease or vinegar. Then we took some snelled hooks and rolled the dough on the hooks about the size of marble or grape. We let them dry in the sun so they would not come off too easily. We caught some big carp with those dough balls. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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hey if you are or like fishing for carp, roll bread in a corn bread mix and make dough ball, use size 4 or 2  hooks

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Hi, I am a beginner in fishing and I was wondering if bread is a good bait for catching carp?What would be the best way to put bread on a hook so it wont fall off?Whats would be the best size hook to use? thanks

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Try using corn instead.

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Hey Tony…40 years ago when I first started fishing, carp was just a fun fish but it wasn’t fun unless you caught some. Always learning from the older people, the ones that fished for carp where I was used doughballs, made from Wheaties and Strawberry Pop…crunch the wheaties up in your hand, and pour some pop on them, mix it altogether in your hand to make a thick ball, or roll in your hand till you have something like a cigar. Using small treble hooks, you pinch a piece off and round it up on the hook. They love it.  Of course wheaties was only $0.39 and pop was a nickle back then,,but the carp hasn’t changed. Just like Bass still like worms and minows. Good luck. Pat

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I have always had good luck for carp with night crawlers and doughball. My doughball consists of cornmeal, flour, strawberry extract, and strawberry jello mix to help hold it all together.  Mix them all up in a bowl, roll them into baseball size balls, wrap them in foil, and put in the fridge to allow the jello to set.  Then, take them fishing and pinch small pieces from the ball as you need them for bait. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a beginner in fishing and I was wondering if bread is a good bait for catching carp?What would be the best way to put bread on a hook so it wont fall off?Whats would be the best size hook to use? thanks

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Hay Tony!! Your getting some darned good advise on bait…However, Dick says tell him to fish where the carp are smoking up the bottem,,not where they are laying out there and you can see them..

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I have always had good luck for carp with night crawlers and doughball. My doughball consists of cornmeal, flour, strawberry extract, and strawberry jello mix to help hold it all together.  Mix them all up in a bowl, roll them into baseball size balls, wrap them in foil, and put in the fridge to allow the jello to set.  Then, take them fishing and pinch small pieces from the ball as you need them for bait.

What size carp do you catch with nightcrawlers?  I have never caught anything but juveniles with worms.  The adults seem to be total vegetarians, in my experience. —  << << << << << << << <<  << << << << << << << <<

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I just got back from the White river,fished nymphs,midges,and sow bugs, caught some fish.I fished an olive wooley bugger tied sparce size10 and caught MANY fish!

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april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.   Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

I have never fished the area in April, but the White can be a good river to wade depending on how much water is being released from the dam at Bull Shoals.Dale Fulton runs Blue Ribbon Flies in Mountain Home. He would be a fantastic point of contact because he is extremely knowledgable. His E-mail is like most other rivers in that sometimes dry flies work and sometimes they don’t. I prefer to fish with soft hackles so that is what I use a lot. A local pattern known as the Red Ass has done real well for me.I always take some small olive woolly buggers as well. Some people use carcass flies as well due to the turbines. Hope this helps a bit and you have a great time Big Dale

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Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there? I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River  just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth.

Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.   Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?

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Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.

There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description).

Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers?

If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, where are good flyfishing waters.  I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers? If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry

Don’t forget the Yuk Bugs…..the browns love em’ at night… Greg H.

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Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?

I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River  just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth. Big Dale

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My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?

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: Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated : by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from : sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible : culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like : the main culprit to me.   I don’t know the answer, but I believe we can rule out global warming. Might be a problem in the future, say 20 years or more, but not now.  At least I don’t see how the problem as it is today is ruining the population.   Are you sure the fish aren’t just staying out at sea becasue they are afraid of bombs?  It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  

Doubt if you’ll find too many people agreeing with you. (‘cept for the netters and fish-farmers of course)  :-)) Sea-trout and salmon stocks were fine in the past when peat cutting was just as extensive. It makes the water look bad, but the fish don’t seem to mind too much. Most interesting thing is to see how well stocks recover in any particular river system as soon as estuary or sea-loch salmon farming is stopped for a while. Its almost instantaneous. Too much netting at sea, and overfishing for the Krill/shrimps/sand-eels the fish live on is the popular choice for the overall drop in numbers. If you you want to fish Eire/UK for salmon or sea-trout, come soon  - and don’t be too hopeful. You still seem to have some fine fishing in USA. I know you’ve had your problems, but I wish we’d looked after ours half as well. Seems to me the pressures seem to be increasing all over tho’. Sometimes the only way to take my mind off it is to go fishing. Tight lines Ian D

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It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go.

Unfortunately, the Irish are not just damaging their own fisheries – they are also netting huge numbers of salmon passing the west coast of Ireland on their way back from the North Atlantic to Wales, Southern England, France, Spain.  They take far more Welsh fish, for example, than are caught in Wales by both rods and nets..  Political pressure has so far achieved little.  And it is said that this netting, much of which is illegal, is a big source of funds for the IRA..  :-( — Phil Jones South Wales

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Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout."

That’s the name of a very worthwhile organisation which has been campaigning for several years against the inshore salmon farming which has wrecked the sea trout runs.  The damage is done by massive infestations of sea lice.  The evidence is overwhelming. Send SOS a contribution and ask for some of their newsletters.  SOS, PO Box 69, Galway, EIRE. Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district.

You forgot agricultural pollution of the spawning streams and lakes, commercial gravel extraction from river beds, over-fishing (in the rivers and lakes), etc.. — Phil Jones

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout." Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district. Still, there are a few fish left, and it (all of Ireland) is a very beautiful place.   The Irish people–in particular–were the highlight of the trip. DIBBLING:      I learned a new fishing technique on one of the big Loughs: dibbling.  Local fly fishermen apparently dibble in rivers too, for both salmon and sea trout.   I’m looking forward to trying it back here, in Montana.  What is it? Put a relatively heavy wet fly on the end of the leader.  Then, maybe two feet back up the leader, put a bushy dry fly on a 6" dropper.  Cast across stream and pick up the rod tip until the dry fly is out of the water. Then bob the rod tip to make the dryfly look like a dancing caddis fly. On Lough Corrib, brown trout to 10 lbs smack’em like candy. Anybody ever try dibbliing over hear? Last note:       They have beautiful jungle cock necks for less than $75.00 in Dublin. I almost bought one.  But I managed to resist. Too bad nobody raises jungle cock.  I’d buy it for sure, if they weren’t dissapearing……like the sea trout? — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  * http://www.avicom.net/sandy                   */

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–snip– in my Vette.  

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Sure, a 12 year old subaru = will get you to any ski area or through the worst weather Buffalo = has to offer, but it won’t make your neighbours go ‘oooh’.

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     Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

and what would that "something" be?         -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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 It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. I’m attracted to this definition…..

At the age of 46, I’d be inclined to agree.  But here’s a story from my youth you may find amusing.  Back in ‘63, I was in Sequoia camping with a ‘Y’ group of youths my age.  We were there for fishing and hiking. ‘Fishing’ was the operative word, since no one had ‘caught’ anything.  At that time, FF wasn’t nearly the designer sport it is today.  I had only seen a couple people doing it and I was a fair distance away:  totally naive to the special gear required for the graceful casts. Taking my self quite seriously, I started whipping a spoon around using my 6′ ft, fiberglass, $12 Thrifty spinning rod and reel.  There I was, whippin that thing back and forth and every once in a while lettin the spoon drag through the pool.  On one of my "backcasts" I literally yanked a little 8 incher right out of the water, totally surprising both of us.  (This was the only trout caught by anyone on the trip!).  Subsequent flailing, for an hour or so produced no more fish.  Go figure.  I guess I put ‘em all down. (The most amazing part of this story is that I still have both of my eyes).  Now you can easily convince this 46 year old that aint flyfishin, but don’t try to convince that 12 year old kid.   Now we’re getting somewhere. Fly fishing is the use of a fly rod to propel anything so light it needs the weight of the line to get anywhere. The use of lightweight bobbers and multiple flies can still be called "fly fishing".

I guess this pretty well rules out spin casting a clear bubble attached above a 6′ leader having a dry fly attached.  Personally, this works for me because the result is to drift flies with a presentation that fools the fish in the same way your defined technique does.  (I don’t do this anymore, but it certainly wouldn’t chap my hide if I say someone plying ff only waters in this fashion, especially if it was a young’un)

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   Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

(hee hee) What is flyfishing ? If you have to ask or try and define it, you’ll never understand it. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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        Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-) and what would that "something" be?

the first internet gigabyte waste of bandwith for "1997 Useless Threads" category…… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. I’m attracted to this definition…..  Now we’re getting somewhere. Fly fishing is the use of a fly rod to propel anything so light it needs the weight of the line to get anywhere. The use of lightweight bobbers and multiple flies can still be called "fly fishing". RALPH may or may not want an amemdment to exclude the use of lightweight spoons or wigglers. Note: that doesn’t mean we can’t fish with bass poppers….It just puts a tight limit on how we categorize them.   Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

Maybe it could be simpler, fly fishing is fishing with a fly line. — Charlie…

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 It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. I’m attracted to this definition…..

  Now we’re getting somewhere. Fly fishing is the use of a fly rod to propel anything so light it needs the weight of the line to get anywhere. The use of lightweight bobbers and multiple flies can still be called "fly fishing". RALPH may or may not want an amemdment to exclude the use of lightweight spoons or wigglers. Note: that doesn’t mean we can’t fish with bass poppers….It just puts a tight limit on how we categorize them.    Seems like we’ve finally accomplished something?  :-)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to make one post about the definition of ff and then say no more.  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. As long as the lure is so light as to require a line to carry it to the fish it seems you are fly casting. As for what is fly fishing, you now have many different lures or (flies) that fit into the definition above. These lures or flies range from #32 up to 8" long or longer. I maintain you are fly fishing as long as you NEED the weight of the line to carry the fly to the fish. I don’t see how the use of boats or strike indicators, or anything else enters into the definition. Certainly, some types of fly fishing are more difficult than others. It doesn’t mean the others aren’t fly fishing. I think we should encourage all kinds of fly fishing. The young person we help now, with his poppers for largemouth, may someday be a #32 hook in-the-film emerger fisherman. That’s all brothers. Hope you all have a great summer of fly fishing. Jim

I’m attracted to this definition having posted something similar some time back. It concentrates on one major factor that makes flyfishing different; the cast. It also seems more consistent with the more ‘catholic’ outlook most flyfishers have these days (includes me) – adopt what works within rather broad confines. I do think though we have to exclude obvious ‘lures’ (spoons spinners etc) but don’t know what to do about "flys" that act like lures –  spoons flies tullis wigglers, plastic bills on bass poppers etc. So many of these things are constructed the same way we tie flies so though I’m tend to be not convinced they are flies I use them rather than condemn them. Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to make one post about the definition of ff and then say no more.  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. As long as the lure is so light as to require a line to carry it to the fish it seems you are fly casting. As for what is fly fishing, you now have many different lures or (flies) that fit into the definition above. These lures or flies range from #32 up to 8" long or longer. I maintain you are fly fishing as long as you NEED the weight of the line to carry the fly to the fish. I don’t see how the use of boats or strike indicators, or anything else enters into the definition. Certainly, some types of fly fishing are more difficult than others. It doesn’t mean the others aren’t fly fishing. I think we should encourage all kinds of fly fishing. The young person we help now, with his poppers for largemouth, may someday be a #32 hook in-the-film emerger fisherman. That’s all brothers. Hope you all have a great summer of fly fishing. Jim

Hi Jim Good point. I agree it’s a lot more important to help a kid get started than to argue about what fly fishing is. You also have a good summer. Take care & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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I’m going to make one post about the definition of ff and then say no more.  It seems to me that fly casting is using the weight of the line to carry the lure or (fly) to the fish. As long as the lure is so light as to require a line to carry it to the fish it seems you are fly casting. As for what is fly fishing, you now have many different lures or (flies) that fit into the definition above. These lures or flies range from #32 up to 8" long or longer. I maintain you are fly fishing as long as you NEED the weight of the line to carry the fly to the fish. I don’t see how the use of boats or strike indicators, or anything else enters into the definition. Certainly, some types of fly fishing are more difficult than others. It doesn’t mean the others aren’t fly fishing. I think we should encourage all kinds of fly fishing. The young person we help now, with his poppers for largemouth, may someday be a #32 hook in-the-film emerger fisherman. That’s all brothers. Hope you all have a great summer of fly fishing. Jim

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I plan to be in Thunder Bay, Ont. in mid-July. Does anyone have suggestions for places to fly fish for trout or smallmouths?

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I am often up in T-Bay on business and I am looking for good spots too, so if anyone has any ideas? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I plan to be in Thunder Bay, Ont. in mid-July. Does anyone have suggestions for places to fly fish for trout or smallmouths?

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Does Orvis recommend snagging?<

I don’t think so, unless the object of the snagging is customers…..

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In the September-October 1995 Orvis News, Orvis recommends a new method of weighting a wet fly (in this case, Orvis egg clusters) so that there is nothing between the fly and the strike putty but line.  The theory is that putting a weight between the fly and the strike indicator will mask a strike, because action at the end of the line will be delayed on its way past the weight.   To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line.  According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon).  Is it legal elsewhere?  Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

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To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line.  According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon).  Is it legal elsewhere?  Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

Sounds like bad advice in terms of drift too.  One advantage to putting the weight above the fly is that it leaves the fly free to drift about as the weight bounces along the bottom.  With the alleged Orvis system, the fly is suspended between the weight dragging along the bottom and the line or strike indicator dragging in the current.  It sounds like it would make it tougher to keep the fly drifting naturally. But Orvis’s point about the weight interfering with sensing the strike is a good one. — -Wayne Trzyna

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