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Flat Creek, WY

admin — Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Spending a week in the Jackson Hole area, and would like suggestions for access to Flat Creek in the Elk Refuge. Has it been too dry? Bank fishing only or can it be wade fished? Best, Vic

Vic: Not to worry about Elk. They don’t come to the refuge till late Oct/Nov. Sounds like your times are OK…..George ( enjoy )

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Spending a week in the Jackson Hole area, and would like suggestions for access to Flat Creek in the Elk Refuge. Has it been too dry? Bank fishing only or can it be wade fished? Best, Vic

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Spending a week in the Jackson Hole area, and would like suggestions for access to Flat Creek in the Elk Refuge. Has it been too dry? Bank fishing only or can it be wade fished? Best, Vic

Vic: Access is easy at cut out parking along side the Elk refuge. Put on gear and walk to Flat Creek(couple hundred yards).My son lives in Jackson and fishes the creek often.He has not mentioned it being dry. I can’t see that hapening frankly.We will be there next month. I have fished the creek an it is the PHD of fly fishing. Fish are VERY spooky. You can wade easily although I have never seen anyone do it cause you spook the fish. Best to sneak along the bank so as not to be seen and cast from there.There are some really BIG fish in it, but probably by now they’ve seen about every fly in existance. Creek is never crowded–that’s not the problem…the fish are SMART. Good luck…sincerely. I’d be interested in your outcome. George Reber

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Thanks George! September is Elk mating season, no clanking about, eh. I’ll give it a try from the bank. Fish usually rise around 11:00 AM, and return for the evening hatch around 4:00 PM? Tight lines, Vic

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spending a week in the Jackson Hole area, and would like suggestions for access to Flat Creek in the Elk Refuge. Has it been too dry? Bank fishing only or can it be wade fished? Best, Vic Vic: Access is easy at cut out parking along side the Elk refuge. Put on gear and walk to Flat Creek(couple hundred yards).My son lives in Jackson and fishes the creek often.He has not mentioned it being dry. I can’t see that hapening frankly.We will be there next month. I have fished the creek an it is the PHD of fly fishing. Fish are VERY spooky. You can wade easily although I have never seen anyone do it cause you spook the fish. Best to sneak along the bank so as not to be seen and cast from there.There are some really BIG fish in it, but probably by now they’ve seen about every fly in existance. Creek is never crowded–that’s not the problem…the fish are SMART. Good luck…sincerely. I’d be interested in your outcome. George Reber

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Help Me! I have a problem!

admin — Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Don’t forget a conical fermentor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not alone? Oh no, it is as feared. I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading. And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain. More equipment is inevitable. Bigger brew pot. Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first? I know I can’t stop myself! The kegerator is coming. Growing hops, not a problem. Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew… I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod. I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side. Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected). I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER! …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!). Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles). Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games! Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind! I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!) Help me! What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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I’m not alone? Oh no, it is as feared. I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading. And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain. More equipment is inevitable. Bigger brew pot. Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first? I know I can’t stop myself! The kegerator is coming. Growing hops, not a problem. Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew… I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side. Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected). I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER! …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!). Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles). Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games! Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind! I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!) Help me! What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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Close…Dave Barry.. ——-Denny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who said that there is a fine line between "hobby" and "obsession?" Dave Berry? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com

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Thanks for the reply. After almost 25 years of putting up with me, SWMBO is pretty reasonable. I was just getting a bit worried that there would be an obnoxious odor floating throughout the house for the entire fermenting period. The wort boil won’t be so bad; fan in the kitchen window and a promise that it’s just one day of the process will be okay. If the fermenting is no big problem I’ll keep it where I had in mind. Heck, I’ve spilled beer before, so wouldn’t be much different upon occasion 8). Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer). Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell. Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops. I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion. Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this. SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation. I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that? Ricky

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I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer). Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell. Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops. I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this. SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation. I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that? Ricky

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My wife is 8 months pregnant… I think this contributes to her wild swings of sometimes taking an interest in my brewing, other times cursing the very notion of it. Of course she can’t have any beer, but I defended my return to brewing by claiming that the beer will all be ready for her to drink after the baby comes. Plus I tell her that once the baby comes I won’t have time to brew, so that’s why I’ve just got to have 2 or 3 batches going at once now. Naturally I’m hoping to sneak in the occaisional brew session later this year, but for awhile I fear it’ll be all baby, all the time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. What is it with SWMBOs anyway? Mine once said through clenched teeth "I *REALLY WISH* you would get a DIFFERENT hobby" But then I clean up the kitchen so perfectly she has no ammunition…. Then of course there’s the one where she asks whether reading all these brewing books, websites and magazines are more important than her… do I have to answer that? Mine tolerates it pretty well (so far). She just uses it as an excuse to feed her hobby–you would not believe the amount of yarn the woman has. And she bought some kind of yarn winding doohickey that I just love (she doesn’t ask me to help her wind it any more). So get her hooked on her own hobby…

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So your a little compulsive. Be honest this has happened before maybe not tropical fish, making arrow heads, chess, banjo, fly fishing, bicycling and sailing but surely you recognize the pattern. I myself went down with my German friend Brunhilda (I am not making this up.) to the local brewery to get a party pig of stout. They had a homebrew section! After that there was some sort of frenzy and when the fog cleared I had all this gear including Kegs, a refer, pots, a chiller, hoses stuff … big pile of stuff! Now when they see me coming I can see them lick their lips from the middle of the street. My wife knew there was trouble (brewing) when the books started showing up. (The next horse she buys I’m getting a brew sculpture. ) In fact I am thinking that tomorrow, when the brewery opens up; I will buy another book; yes, a big fat one on making the perfect cream ale! When you are feeling frustrated with this compulsiveness it is important to smoke lots and lots of cigars. Also it helps to rotate addictions so as not to be overwhelmed. Right now I am rotating through American Ales as fast as I can brew and heading for the English ones, then Stouts, then Lagers generally by 2005 (Spring) I should be up to lambics. No sense in overdoing it. art

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After looking through some threads via google searches I finally found one I think answers my question plus one question I didn’t ask. As to fermenting, someone mentioned they ferment in the basement because of smell and others that their spouse hated it, so I guess it must not be a "baking bread" smell. 8) I didn’t even think about the brewing process but folks posted it "smells great"/"makes you want to vomit" so sort of YMMV it seems. Maybe I need to rethink where I’m going to be doing this. I have a cooker and I have a workshop with part sectioned off and air conditioned, but I have no running water there (or I should say, no sink — there is a water hose outlet outside the shop door). It might work, just figured it wouldn’t be as sanitary as the kitchen. Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this. SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation. I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that? Ricky

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fly fishing in Ireland

admin — Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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this is a huge area for a country where it rains constantly, and which is therefore awash with good fishing rivers and lakes. There are pages and pages to be written about each of the counties you’re mentioning. I strongly suggest three books (or two, depending on whether you prefer to fish rivers or loughs/lakes.) http://www.moytura.com/irishbooks/sport1.htm for Peter O’Reilley’s definitive books on loughs and rivers. Also "A Man May Fish", written maybe in the sixties , for an account of fishing in Ireland that will make you want to spend a lot longer than a day doing it. You can start looking for secon hand copies on bookfinder.com at http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?st=sl&ac=sl&qi=WQ0EJCyJRTTzZZcAfRgT1i9 WQ0eGIYgT:122:227 Best Wishes Lazarus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello- My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in the latter part of September this year. We will mostly be visiting with family while there, but will have about 1 week to explore after that. We are mostly interested in Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon areas. We might have just a day to fish. Does anyone have experience fishing in this area? Good streams/rivers to check out? Any suggestions of a good outfitter to rent us the necessary gear for a day? Thanks in advance for any input! Betsy in Santa Fe

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Thank you to Dave and Lazarus for your replies. Yes, I will check out those books, Lazarus. Dave, thanks for the Google suggestion. I had actually already done that. I guess I wasn’t clear enough in my original post, but I was hoping for some personal accounts or experiences to be shared. Just a differnet approach for us to consider before we leave… Thanks again! Betsy

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Hello- My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in the latter part of September this year. We will mostly be visiting with family while there, but will have about 1 week to explore after that. We are mostly interested in Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon areas. We might have just a day to fish. Does anyone have experience fishing in this area? Good streams/rivers to check out? Any suggestions of a good outfitter to rent us the necessary gear for a day? Thanks in advance for any input! Betsy in Santa Fe

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Bwalker writes: My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in the latter part of September this year. We will mostly be visiting with family while there, but will have about 1 week to explore after that. We are mostly interested in Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon areas. We might have just a day to fish. Does anyone have experience fishing in this area? Good streams/rivers to check out? Any suggestions of a good outfitter to rent us the necessary gear for a day? Thanks in advance for any input! Betsy in Santa Fe

Go to www.google.com (or any of the other search engines), and type in "fly fishing" + "Ireland". You will get lots of hits. The info is at your fingertips. hth Dave

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Olympia fishing

admin — Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:00:00 +0000

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I am traveling to Olympia to celebrate a friends birthday. Is there anything happening this time of year close to town. He mentioned that there is a small river called the Deschutes (not to be confused with the more famous Oregon river), that has some cutts and rainbows. I was just wondering if I should bother flying with all the gear to fish a morning there. Thanks.

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I don’t know a darn thing about Washington fishing but I do know it is better to bring some gear and not need it than to not bring the gear and then find out you could use it. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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Walt, I do not know anything about the Deschutes near Olympia, but do know they do have about 2 or 3 rivers that are good for steelhead fishing within an hour so South of Olympia. Bring the gear! Luckyboy

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That explains all that gear you brought to Kansas, eh?

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Its been about 10years since I fished the Deschutes near the brewery in Olympia (my sister-in-law used to live in Lacey and I fished the river whenever we visited) so I don’t know the current situation. However, it used to be decent fishing thru the golf course for searun cuts, the occaisonal steelhead and I even once caught a silver. Its a fairly small stream and definately urban conditions, but it beats sitting around with inlaws. Bob Weinberger

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am traveling to Olympia to celebrate a friends birthday. Is there anything happening this time of year close to town. He mentioned that there is a small river called the Deschutes (not to be confused with the more famous Oregon river), that has some cutts and rainbows. I was just wondering if I should bother flying with all the gear to fish a morning there. Thanks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got off the phone with a fly shop in town that reported decent fishing for cutts in the Deschutes with some fish being taken on dries when the sun comes out. I am definately bringing the gear. Besides, fly fishing is the best cure I know after a long night with an old friend and some single malt. Thanks for convincing me. Walt (who is easily convinced)

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you might want to think about fishing the saltwater that surrounds the area. there should be some sea-run cutts around, and even some resident silver salmon (especially north around tacoma). chris

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He mentioned that there is a small river called the Deschutes (not to be confused with the more famous Oregon river), that has some cutts and rainbows.

Walt, Here’s a webpage that’ll help out for the regs for the Deschutes River in Washington state: http://www.wa.gov/wdfw/fish/regs/fishregs.htm Sorry I can’t be of more help. I’ve never been down that way to cast a line. If you do fish, I’d love to read a report! Fish on, my friend. Danny McMillin — Danny McMillin — Remove XX from email address to reduce spam.

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That explains all that gear you brought to Kansas, eh?

Naw all the gear I took to Kansas is my personal crusade to ensure full employment for the makers of fine fly rods and reels as well as the dealers who sell them. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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your website

admin — Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello Richard: Drop by TroutWorld at http://www.troutworld.com I cover fishing in every state, events, stocking, and a lot more. I’m also a member of the Luna Network. Thanks, Jeffrey Gray TroutWorld.com, Inc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you want to promote your website, please reply to this leaving your url and e-mail address and a brief description of the site (1 sentence). I am creating a new feature to my site which contains useful links. Thanks Chris www.geocities.com/ccflies

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off my trolley by writing: Every knot you need to know,, about tying any rig, using the same knot,, yep it’s a top notch knot, takes a cheap tool to tie though

Knots?? You can get knotted here too hhtp://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk/knots/knots.htm Dixie

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http://totalfishingadventures.com Thanks

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http://www.snapper.karoo.net/index.htm This site is purely amateur, but I hope it would be of some use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you want to promote your website, please reply to this leaving your url and e-mail address and a brief description of the site (1 sentence). I am creating a new feature to my site which contains useful links. Thanks Chris www.geocities.com/ccflies

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http://www.wetfly.co.uk Mainly North Country Spider and traditional materials Thanks Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you want to promote your website, please reply to this leaving your url and e-mail address and a brief description of the site (1 sentence). I am creating a new feature to my site which contains useful links. Thanks Chris www.geocities.com/ccflies

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Nice site – not really into wets myself but if I were… I particularly like the dying instructions – more people should get into this. Since I’m into Wulffs, muddlers and elk hair caddis variants, I’ve dyed a lot of deer hair over the years. One thing though – I couldn’t link to the good genetic hackle page – is there a www missing perhaps? R.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.wetfly.co.uk

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Why do you not pool all your information and set up a fly fishing portal together? Besides centralising good tips and advice, you could offer forums and polls, organise events, sell a variety of gear either through yourselves or commission from a vendor, …… Plus, by grouping your efforts into a single site, you’d be more attractive to advertisers and could split any revenue. Ta.

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My Scottish club site has a quiz, beginners guid,fun pages, Hint’s & Tip’s,UK venue information and much much more. www.gibbboyd.freeserve.co.uk Thanks Colin

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http://ezknot.com/ Every knot you need to know,, about tying any rig, using the same knot,, yep it’s a top notch knot, takes a cheap tool to tie though — Rodney Long, Inventor of the "EZ Knot," What should be in every tackle box. http://ezknot.com/

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The Good, the Bad & the Ugly.

admin — Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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Cheers G. (as I tip my ale). Natty

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It was a long trip home but the beautiful Piper Comanche put her nose into the wind and plowed ahead hour after hour, riding like a wild bronc over Butte Pass just west of Livingston Montana known for its rip-tide winds and rollers. She bore down and crossed the main fury at 10,500 going west bound, settled down and then headed for the Anaconda-Pintler Wilderness mountains, along the central edge for refuge which was not to be. I stretch out my left leg for relief and the new scars stretched in refrain. My right leg was stretched all the way into the co-pilot side and the hours passed by, one by one. During those hours, high above my beautiful ragged Rockies I thought of the well wishers in Roff and the prayers that went with me and I can say to all, they were well answered. I was coming home. The fuel and strong head winds were not going to allow Miss Blue to make it across the mighty Selway Wilderness, and so like a leaf from an oak the throttle was brought back, flaps lowered full bore and she came down like a rocket. Naturally, the wind was out of the west and the Hamilton Airport runs north south for perfect cross-wind landing conditions. Lined up on a three mile final to runway 160 so as to get a feel for how much crab she was going to take and how much rudder, it was evident the right wing would be very low. I kissed her down on the right gear which rode out the vicious cross-wind for over a thousand feet before Miss Blu found her footing and two wheels. To get the weight on both gear a.s.a.p. I lifted the flaps and that planted her onto the runway with confidence. So far, so good. Once again in the air and flying for over 10 hours, the remote callings of the Selway slid under my wings. Gladys was snoozing to the drone of an engine that always sounded happy. I began to think back about our operations and of the stress and concern I had for hers. I do know that under the anesthesia I slipped into the world of dreams and the fond wishes of many excepting one. I have met some very unusual people in my lifetime, but this character is best described in the dream I had. The good is I survived some very serious procedures. The bad is the ill wishes extended that carried over into a chocolate/vanilla swirl of haziness. I slowly awoke from the Land of Oz. The ugly part of not having control of one’s life, was over. The Selway high meadows remained lush and green and an Elk lifted her head as her yearling trotted about confused. The Comanche crossed the continental divide as I dialed in a little down trim for the long decent home. I cannot drive a vehicle for four weeks but I can tell everyone the operations were an amazing success. I am very strong and fit and all my fly fishing doctors are very pleased with the results and with their patient. There is a bonding that takes place between those that fly fish and who are doctors that fly fish also. I wish to thank each and every one of them and I wish to thank all of you who were at my bed side in thought and deeds. It meant a lot. Believe me. Again, thank you all. Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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Info needed

admin — Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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Um, yes, …

SPAM ! — Ken Fortenberry

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Um, yes, I’m new to FF and I’m trying to find an online site that makes it really EASY to buy fly fishing gear. You know, really, really E-Z. Any ideas? –Steve

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After a thorough and exhaustive search of my backyard and Alta Vista.Com, I came up with this: One dead bird One half of a semi-live earth worm Some fresh dog shit (first step find) and this: www.e-zfly.com/ Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um, yes, I’m new to FF and I’m trying to find an online site that makes it really EASY to buy fly fishing gear. You know, really, really E-Z. Any ideas? –Steve

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Um, yes, I’m new to FF and I’m trying to find an online site that makes it really EASY to buy fly fishing gear. You know, really, really E-Z. Any ideas?

What are ya – an idjit? I typed "EZ" into AlteredVister and got five million hits, and the 248,094th one led me right to the source! You *must* be an idjit! Sheesh! Send an email to Louie’s grand daughter. I hear she’s a wizard with search engines… /daytripper (And stop spamming the group ;^)

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Send an email to Louie’s grand daughter. I hear she’s a wizard with search engines… /daytripper (And stop spamming the group ;^)

sniff….sniff…..sniff…..nope, thet ain’t no spam. Thet ther is a troll!

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you will find what you want within the 1st 5 hits every time

Unless, of course, those *are* your key words

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What are ya – an idjit? I typed "EZ" into AlteredVister and got five million hits, and the 248,094th one led me right to the source! You *must* be an idjit! Sheesh!

The key to an effective web search is not as much what you *include* in the search as what you *exclude*. In HotBot, for example, if you exclude the keywords "moist", "teen", "anal" and "eBay" you will find what you want within the 1st 5 hits every time

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you will find what you want within the 1st 5 hits every time

you keep raising the bar, chocolat! fabulous work. wayno, recovering from hysteria

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In HotBot, for example, if you exclude the keywords "moist", "teen", "anal" and "eBay" you will find what you want within the 1st 5 hits every time

Regards, Jeff

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In HotBot, for example, if you exclude the keywords "moist", "teen", "anal" and "eBay" you will find what you want within the 1st 5 hits every time

I INCLUDE ONLY those keywords, and I find what I’m looking for 4 hits out of 5! Regards, Jeff

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Steve: Try www.TroutWorld.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um, yes, I’m new to FF and I’m trying to find an online site that makes it really EASY to buy fly fishing gear. You know, really, really E-Z. Any ideas? –Steve

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Whiff! Steeeerike One! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve: Try www.TroutWorld.com Um, yes, I’m new to FF and I’m trying to find an online site that makes it really EASY to buy fly fishing gear. You know, really, really E-Z. Any ideas? –Steve

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am i the only one?

admin — Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting. All the rest are games according to EH. fwiw Dave L.

when did ernie harrison say that? walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes: (snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting. All the rest are games according to EH. fwiw Dave L.

Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

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I thought the officials on the field signaled the play to be a completed catch. Isn’t the rule that in the last 2 minutes of a 1/2 or the game, only the ‘upstairs re-play reviewers’ can call for a time out for a replay?

yup. and funny how the most "inconclusive" (it was a gd clean catch) replay of the year gets overturned…. like i said, FIX! WALT — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

You’ve never fished Lake of the Ozarks, have you? Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill tony of mn

I hear ya tony. I’m not a vikes fan, but I really wanted them to go this year. They deserved to go last year, but got screwed by those flash-in-the-pan falcons that ruined the superbowl. — Levi "who’s counting the days to the superbowl, even if waldo does think it’s fixed." Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it. — Dave Barry

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Would impeachment work? It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair.

Jimmy Johnson had perfect hair, but it didn’t do him any good. Tom Landry had no hair so he wore a hat, but it didn’t help. He’s gone. I hate the frigging Cowboys. I saw Any Given Sunday today. Definitely worth the price of a ticket, even if the script was formulaic. Stone really knows the the technique of movie making. One funny thing was that the NFL refused to cooperate with Stone so he had to make up all the names of the football teams. They all sounded like the names of condoms. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill tony of mn

only on roff: a haiku written about a losing football team. how good is that? wayno

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Snipped for no real reason…. r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst

Someone actually READS my stuff? Sorry, I basically just ramble on in my own little world…..I thought I’d already made most killfiles….

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school quarterback being booed by his pastor. The NFL no longer generates this kind of interest in the game. Big Dale

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Salmon Fly writes: Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

When EH said that, he wasn’t speaking of American racing, but of European and international. Dave L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines. Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence? A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly? Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor? Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay. Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest? Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch. This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ. The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game. Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

i’m with ya peter. i just hope subaru doesn’t sponsor nfl stuff or i’m in deep ka-ka with marie. it would be kinda hard explaining a yugo to her b/c of some silly football game. dale, no one else wants him paul, rugby? r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst allan, "and this was, called correctly by the officials" … on the field? levi, go back to sleep walt ps… i thought this group was rough…let me tell ya, we’re pussies compared to those boyos over at the tampa bay buc newsgroup this eve — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes:

(snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport.

The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting. All the rest are games according to EH. fwiw Dave L.

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No, Walt you’re not the only one. After college I started playing Rugby. A much saner and safer sport. For years I wouldn’t watch football because it was so rediculous. I started playing rugby about the same time as the instant replay wich made it seem even worse. A few years ago a friend invited me over to watch a game and I went. Sometime during the game the topic got to the state of the sport to which he replied. This isn’t a sport. It’s made for TV sensationalism to generate revenues for the network. Kind of like 60 Minutes or pro wrestling. From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. Paul And this has nothing to do with the local team.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? snippings < FIX! . Walt

AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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[whining snipped]

Well, gee, let’s hope Hardy, Lamson, Courtland et al don’t ever decide to be the official fly-fishing gear provider of the NFL. Talk about yer conflict of interest… –Steve

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?

Huh? I assume you are talking about the St. Louis/Tampa Bay game? I dozed off in the second half of the fourth quarter. You do realize that part of the new instant replay policy is that the refs upstairs can challenge a call on the field in the final two minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters? Is that what happened? — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it. — Dave Barry

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That solves your Budweiser quandary….

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Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines. Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence? A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly? Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor? Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay. Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest? Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch. This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ. The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game. Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

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another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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As I understand the re-play rule, to overturn a field call, the reviewer must see clear evidence that the play was called incorrectly. If the re-play official saw clear evidence he/she must have seen something that no one else did, not even Madden & Summerall. Don’t know if any one call alters the outcome but that review was b.s. No I’m not a Tampa Bay or a St. Louis fan (actually, I root for the Giants). Just a fan who enjoys a good game, and this was, called correctly by the officials.

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Would impeachment work? It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill tony of mn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? snippings < FIX! . Walt AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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I was wondering if a certain Floridian-by-birth-if-not-by-nature was blowing his cookies this afternoon ;^) I think they blew that call, but I’m not as sure that it would have made any difference. They were struggling and I don’t think they had enough time (or momentum) to score. /daytripper (we might get a decent Superbowl for a friggin’ change!)

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S.F. Bay Area Fishing Friend?

admin — Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:00:00 +0000

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That’s the best troll I have seen in a long time. Raise the age limit another thirty years and include "married" and you can have a dirty old man. Good luck. Ernie

Hey, then I’d qualify! — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I’m interested in meeting a 40-ish single fly fishing guy in the S.F. Bay Area. I’m a good fly fisher; fit, grounded gal, not a psycho…just would love to have a companion someday

Might be better to post this to alt.ac-dc.lonelyhearts.fun or try joining the chat at www.thecaddis.com tonight at 8pm pacific.. this shop is based in Belmont and a few of the participants are local…. don’t know the marital or physical or mental status of the folks that show up, but like anything else on the ‘Net, y’spends yer $$ and y’takes yer chances… Larry #:)# 40+, married, partially psycho and fit (to be tied)

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Lets be frank, 40ish single straight flyfisherman are scarcer than hen’s teeth in S.F. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d suggest you join a club; people are at least somewhat sane there. Drop by the Casting Pond in Golden Gate Park, right next to the Police Stable near Polo Field on a Sunday morning, and you will find some local fishing club members holding their weekly meets. 40ish single flyfishermen are scarcer than hen’s teeth, but it’s your call…. JT

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Lets be frank, 40ish single straight flyfisherman are scarcer than hen’s teeth in S.F.

No, I’ll be Frank. You’ll be Nancy, — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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50-ish married WM seeks flyfishing supermodel in her 20s (early 20s) in the SF Bay Area. I’m not a psycho. I’m just looking for a meaningful, platonic relationship with a member of the fair sex with common interests. Prefer proven fish catcher with ability to tie knots in 7x and 8x tippet threaded through size 28 flies. Will split the gas 50/50. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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– "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

Lets be frank, 40ish single straight flyfisherman are scarcer than hen’s teeth in S.F. Dave

Should a young married couple be frank and earnest ? No one of them should be a woman. Lets face it , all flyfishermen are weirdos. TL MC

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I’m interested in meeting a 40-ish single fly fishing guy in the S.F. Bay Area. I’m a good fly fisher; fit, grounded gal, not a psycho…just would love to have a companion someday for my many No. Calif. fishing weekends. Sorry if this is against some kind of newsgroup rules (not really)… Thanks, and Happy New Year.

check out the two Casting Clubs in the Bay Area – G.G. Casting Club at the Angler’s Lodge in the park, and the Oakland Casting Club at Leona Park in Oakland, they "meet" Sunday morning The folks at the GG can give you directions to the Oakland Club – in the summer they do trips to No Calif., etc. Hope this helps. http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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ACW: Hell, that’s the most on-topic post I’ve seen this week! But watch out for a guy named Wayno. With an invite like yours, he’ll claim to be "in the SF Bay Area". If you hook up with him, he will definitely leave you…..changed! /daytripper (This was a Public Service Announcement ;^)

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I know a ton of guys in the Bay that fit the bill, unfortunately (for me) I’m only 27. Anyway if your serious I could put you in touch with some of these guys. Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Read Reviews on the Fly Fishing Gear you want! Before you buy.

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That’s the best troll I have seen in a long time. Raise the age limit another thirty years and include "married" and you can have a dirty old man. Good luck. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interested in meeting a 40-ish single fly fishing guy in the S.F. Bay Area. I’m a good fly fisher; fit, grounded gal, not a psycho…just would love to have a companion someday for my many No. Calif. fishing weekends. Sorry if this is against some kind of newsgroup rules (not really)… Thanks, and Happy New Year.

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I’d suggest you join a club; people are at least somewhat sane there. Drop by the Casting Pond in Golden Gate Park, right next to the Police Stable near Polo Field on a Sunday morning, and you will find some local fishing club members holding their weekly meets. 40ish single flyfishermen are scarcer than hen’s teeth, but it’s your call…. JT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m interested in meeting a 40-ish single fly fishing guy in the S.F. Bay Area. I’m a good fly fisher; fit, grounded gal, not a psycho…just would love to have a companion someday for my many No. Calif. fishing weekends. Sorry if this is against some kind of newsgroup rules (not really)… Thanks, and Happy New Year.

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I just read a chapter in Thomas McGuane’s new book, The Longest Silence, about the San Francisco Fly Casting Club. It’s called "Twilight on the Buffalo Paddock." That guy can write! If you go there, ACW, keep an eye on the underbrush. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Embarrased …..

admin — Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:00:00 +0000

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Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the

rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie.< C’mon, Ken. You’re going to make Trudie feel unwelcome. Strangers don’t understand that your bark is somewhat worse than your bite.

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Go troll elsewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server, where I provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ : an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ? And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts. You just make yourself look foolish.

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Hi everybody, I’m an asshole! (Blah Blah Blah)

Let the flames begin! First of all shit bird, what kind of clout do you think you have that you can waltz in here and expect to get everybody to just run to your site. Yes, some people here argue strongly about what concerns them. But I don’t think that everybody here takes it to personally because we all know that it’s nearly impossible to get your point across with short post’s. It does get frustrating. But someone like you who thinks that there gods gift to newsgroups has nothing to offer anyway. There’s an old saying. Here goes-"people who think that they know it all really annoy those of us who really do." Buddy, why don’t you do us all a favor and blow! BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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I think someone should find out where this guy’s chat room is. Then, all of ROFF could show up at once for a real time demonstration of rudeness. Would be kind of fun, but then again, probably a waste of time on this guy. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server, where I provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ : an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ? And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts. You just make yourself look foolish.

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Before commenting, know the facts.

There Trude. Now we know the facts and it’s our conclusion that you’re an asshole. Good ridings. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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[tirade snipped] Is that you, TBone? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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oblivious to the fact that he was Talking To The Hand, and wasted everyone’s time by spewing forth with the following rant: It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server, where I provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service.

LOL! Consider for a moment that you were being set up by someone else that doesn’t like your act. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

Wanna bet the feeling is mutual, Mr. Troll? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ : an intelligent, refined sport.

If flyfishing is truly an intelligent, refined sport, it’s pretty clear that you’d never make the first cut. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?

"Thoughts and ideas" like your POS post? Simple: we get off slamming d!ckbabies that troll through this group (<== that’s the RUDE part) especially when we have no clue why said d!ckbabies are here (<== that’s the IGNORANT part). And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

Wow! You used a FIVE SYLLABLE WORD! Go ask your mommy for that quarter the nice man gave her last night – she’ll be very proud! Before commenting, know the facts. You just make yourself look foolish.

LOL! You’re a piece o’ work, Mr. Troll. If anyone is going to look foolish tonight, it’s you. Sure hope you’re wearing your flame-proof underwear – you’re gonna need it… But thanks for the entertainment – and don’t let the door hit you in your ample ass on your way out… Oh yeah: recognize this sound? (PLONK!) That’s you – hitting the bottom of my kill file… [fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] /daytripper

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

And so you decide to tell us. Sounds vaguely like the five year old kid down the block from me who likes to yell "I HAVE A SECRET AND I’M NOT TELLING YOU!!!" at the top of his lungs, at least once a day. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ : an intelligent, refined sport.

Ayep. Pass me one of them there ten-cent seegars and help y’all’s self to a Pabst. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ? And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

This is how we communicate. I’m sorry that you find it offensive that we don’t drink our scotch with pinkies in the air and address each other as "my good sir." I’m so sorry that I’m going to sit up until sunrise crying my eyes out at the fact that someone without a name thinks that I am rude and ignorant and unintelligent and unrefined. *sniff* *sniff* Does somebody have a bandanna? I mean, one that they AIN’T used on their nose since they last washed it? Trude wounded my delicate sensibilities. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBN2NdM5diUzdLFqlpAQEmTwf/QutX1TYmKNWJKzb1LQdqMQn8kY1xdVFh jEwd0vG6UNRIMmfHalOK5g3U9jlgRvoK1S4HwDOYqtXjLW3Fs4VD5ltw0Af1Dnh/ YyJ3cTPZXxX7iIxGTkEmpSM2c/FB+2YXannptxd613PkcMVPqA07yVkZM6TH3DJu LgBOG4b1VkVukTKTBqsq7dtts0+ruagVgs9+A1bByghoUKCEKcoDa0hHe43pgdet cVueV44tNGn1V8pQnLSH/5krolLy3ohMLpqpu8z0ynUiDcKTQSLADafkvrxolmL0 EfDRsDUoePp3hynjhBC3Rl7276kYfXJaaG34REsfF+fk2rqbUg8Akg== =r1Cq —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, B.S. | http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "Living with a dog is easy-like living with an idealist is easy." -H.L. Mencken

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Day Tripper: (snip) <<[fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] Interesting. Beware of sheep in wolves clothing applies as well Dave LaCourse

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Troll, troll, troll your post crassly through our ROFF. Since you ain’t worth a tinker’s damn Kindly fuck right off. Did this live up to your expectations? I’m so glad. Peter

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Just another xample of what ole’ Trude was talkin’ ’bout. ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss???

Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread. I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.

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ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss??? Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions) (Blah Blah Blah)

Then would that be DUDE-not-STUDE? BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server, where I provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ : an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ? And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts. You just make yourself look foolish.

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I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

So, why this post, Mr. Trude? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ : an intelligent, refined sport.

Yep, it sure-ass is, ain’t it. Nothin I done like better than kickin ass on stream. Are you a Redman guy too? Great to chew when you’re fishing, but I hate it when it dribbles down my chin .Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?

Well, hell, I don’t know. Maybe they deserve it. Mark Faulkner, missin the invitation to Trude’s server, whatever the hell that means.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server, where I provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ : an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ? And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts. You just make yourself look foolish.

Well Trude, just speaking for myself, you don’t rate much effort on my part. See ya and slack lines, Walt — Ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Trude writes:

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See ya and slack lines<

Yeah, keep your fly zipped.

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Have a great life, man. You are gonna die lonely.<

And soon, I would guess.

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Oh, and yeah, I forgot something: "Embarrased" has TWO (2) esses. Count them if you can: EMBARRASSED. And I betcha you are!!!!! Dave LaCourse

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread. I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.

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Well, Mr. Trude Gosh, my level of disappointment has achived an all time high. Please be sure to offer us your complete and verbose critique on the content herein. After that, I’m certain that each and every participant would appreciate your candid assessment of all of the details of our personal lives as well. Obviously, the sage advice of one who commands such a presence ought not be missed. On second thought, your quietly slipping back into your own little fantasy world (the one *far* away from here) will be sufficient. Bye, now, Mr. Trude. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel. – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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If you want rude try this. Barge into a place where your not known and, very first thing, insult everyone. That’s rude. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread. I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.

Dave..whacha want for the stud? oh yeah, almost forgot, trudy, watch that front door, it has a nasty tendency to hit asses on the way out. waldo — Ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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apologies to the group…I couldn’t resist damnit…where’s my beer? waldo — Ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112 Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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An anonymous insult from a cretin that can’t even spell embarrassed, yet sees fit to put it in the subject header. Talk about looking foolish. Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie. — Ken Fortenberry