. Cheap rod a child can use I should have mentioned, this is for a 2 year old. Rick
Depends on fishing habits and conditions. Your normal habits will of course have to change, mainly taking turns while the "sitter" of the moment explores nature, a little splashing, turning over rocks, touching moss-bark-worms-mud etc. a chest pak carrier (with the child facing forward) provides security, restraint, and mobility. Of course the child will not remember it later but you will, as a most wondrous phase in your lives. I can tell you that as the family grows your fishing habits will continue change culminating with a trip with the grand children. Maybe if you are as lucky as me, Great grand children and the realization of how blessed your life has been and what fun fishing buddies you have.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever. The couples take turns looking after the other’s child. Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Damn! I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie –Planning for the Past– Really. I was waiting for some wag to suggest giving the kid a box of treble hooks the night before and then letting the doctors and your HMO take care of it from there, or something in equally poor taste…<G. Seriously, I liked the idea of taking the child, but the parents taking turns fishing. Heck, by three or four, I was fishing – not quite with a fly yet, and not quite catching much (I’m not sure if I even had a complete hook – hey, if it’s not dynamite or electricity, it’s called _fishing_, not catching), but it taught me patience, etc. If that’s not practical, Peter’s idea seems pretty decent – maybe even find another couple in similar position (or even better, one non-fisher) and three can fish while one watches the kiddos. TC, R
BRAGGING RIGHTS::: At four my great grandson caught his first trophy large mouth, "gramps" cast,(we hadn’t known he was a lefty then) and lipped it. He did the rest. 21.5" of galloping bass, I’m surprised you didn’t hear me whooping.
Will send you a video one day just to prove it 
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"Jo" < Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.
… Bad habits can be broken…… john
You havent met my kids with a fishing rod 2 out of three are officially hyperactive and the other one is a budding self absorbed model god forbid any dirt attaching itself to that one. Fishing is actually stressful with them.
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I’ve got an almost-two year old myself, and I went on two vacations in two months–Maui in December and Orlando in January. During the trip to Maui, my mother came up from Raleigh, NC to PA and stayed at our house with the baby. Baby sleeps in her own bed, gets spoiled by grandma for 8 days, loves it. Baby learns to say "Hawaii" and locate the islands on the globe. Mom & Dad enjoy the islands for a week. During the trip to FL, my grandmother & aunt (both live practically next door) shared the same duties as my mom did a month earlier. Baby sleeps in own bed, gets spoiled by auntie & great-grandma for a 4-day weekend. Mom & Dad bring home ‘mouse ears’ for baby, in an effort to remove the mouse ears, baby snaps elastic chin strap against face, cries vigorously. Mom & Dad supress laughter (mostly). My tactic so far has been simple: don’t take the kid. I share your dilemma. Life with two year old is not really the ideal situation for spending day after day astream, especially if Mom wants to go fishing as badly as Dad does… The ‘find a couple and share babysitting’ plan is a good one. You could probably get 6 weekends/year from that plan. One weekend/month/couple: one month you babysit, one month they babysit. If your life is anything like mine (hectic), one weekend every other month is probably as often as you can get away. Basically, my advice is this: FAMILY. Grandparents, great- grandparents (if your child is so lucky) aunts & uncles, etc. They’re the best babysitters money can buy (free), and they’ll treat your child like family–obviously. And most kids think of grandma or a favorite aunt/uncle as being at least as fun as the county fair, if not better. If you can get a family member to staty at your house, so much the better. Thell them to pay-per-view anything they’d like, give them some $$$ for ordering pizza, etc., and make sure they know where the local park is and how to get there. If you don’t have any family in driving distance, consider moving. Unless, that is, you live far from family by design. <g In which case I have no worthwhile advice for you. Some weekends, I’d give anything for a few hours of privacy (wink wink, nod nod) with the spousal unit. I don’t care if the baby lives on M&Ms and Potato Chips for the entire weekend–just make sure there’s no crying in the background when I call to see how things are and I’ll have a good time without baby. With the upcomping Penns Clave, the wife & I are considering buying a big cabin tent (we live less than an hour from Coburn) and taking baby camping for the first time. I’ve got some misgivings about exposing wife and baby to ROFFians, but it’s a possibility. Wife doesn’t fly fish (yet), and baby will probably want to throw rocks in creek all day, but I’ve yet to find a better way to spend lots of time at the Clave. Since we’re less than an hour from home, the worst that could happen is that we all go home at night. Tom G constantly struggling to find time to fish
Not only family but friends are good resources. Last time we took boys fishing (one good ol’ boy and one city boy), we went with Ol’ Whiskerface’s buddy. One day, I’d take the kids sightseeing (indian ruins, big rocks, A&W rootbeer), the next day one or both menfolks would take one or both boys fishing, while I caught dinner. We kinda "spread the wealth." Now both boys all groan up and never call their mother. Enjoy the little beggers while you can. Bob’s Wife in El Paso. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Basically, my advice is this: FAMILY.
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Really. I was waiting for some wag to suggest giving the kid a box of treble hooks the night before and then letting the doctors and your HMO take care of it from there, or something in equally poor taste…<G. Seriously, I liked the idea of taking the child, but the parents taking turns fishing. Heck, by three or four, I was fishing – not quite with a fly yet, and not quite catching much (I’m not sure if I even had a complete hook – hey, if it’s not dynamite or electricity, it’s called _fishing_, not catching), but it taught me patience, etc. If that’s not practical, Peter’s idea seems pretty decent – maybe even find another couple in similar position (or even better, one non-fisher) and three can fish while one watches the kiddos. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Life as you knew is over. Some good tips in this thread but none that will make it like it was. One reason there is so many geezers in roff is they have to wait till the kids leave and the dog dies to get back to fly fishing. Fish when you can enjoy the kid. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it.
Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? None of my exes ever minded being left back at the cabin to watch the kids. Ummm, let me reword that, umm oh cripes, I think I’m starting to understand something. Charlie, getting in touch with my feminine side
I think I know what you’re saying. My wife, when annoyed one time after I came home from a six hour round, asked me if I ever wondered why the 3 other guys in my Sunday morning foursome are all divorced. Kelly
[snip] I think I know what you’re saying. My wife, when annoyed one time after I came home from a six hour round, asked me if I ever wondered why the 3 other guys in my Sunday morning foursome are all divorced. Kelly
the answers are: "Because I have a wonderful wife and their wives were real B^%$^s" or "Now don’t go putting any silly ideas in my head"
I was expecting to hear something about lodges with rivers and kid programs, but I’d forgotten the warmth, creativity and thoughtfulness of this list. Several of the responses had me roaring with laughter. Thanks. Rick
I was expecting to hear something about lodges with rivers and kid programs, but I’d forgotten the warmth, creativity and thoughtfulness of this list. Several of the responses had me roaring with laughter. Thanks. Rick
All in a days work, Rick! As a single guy for 42 years, you damn sure don’t want a serious reply from me. Besides, I wouldn’t have a clue what to suggest. But I have heard that bears are nurturing critters, to a point. Opie –Planning for the Past–
Seriously I think the only thing that would come close is taking the kid,…I have a friend who had been fly fishing with her dad since the age of 3 she is now 50 and coaches top fly fishers herself. Some of us are really lucky to have understanding spouses, in fact mine cancelled a golf afternoon without a blink because I planned to go fishing away for a weekend and forgot to tell him. Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.
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Admittedly I would never take my kids fishing they are obnoxious and annoying.
LOL. This is one of the funniest lines I’ve read on ROFF (I hope you intended it that way) and a sure candidate for Brutally Honest Comment of the Year. JR
Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations? Lodges with kids programs? Day cares in town? I know that it’s always possible to hire a local person as a sitter, but I’m thinking more about organized, professional care which will be more fun for the child. TIA, Rick
Cheap rod a child can use
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. Cheap rod a child can use I should have mentioned, this is for a 2 year old. Rick
Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?
Each of you fish half a day. There’ll be plenty of time for romance fishing when the kid’s older. –Steve (hey, you asked…)
Children are God’s way of telling you that you have no business enjoying life. As toddlers they take up your time because they are helpless otherwise. As adolescents they must be shuttled to and fro from one activity to the next. As teenagers they are mean, nasty, vulgar little shits that may or may not require bail. As young adults they seem to have finally gotten their shit together, but will eventually destroy what is left of your sanity. As full grown adults they will fight with their siblings over some supposed fortune you are planning to leave, and then place you and your spouse in separate retirement homes. Realize of course that I speak from experience as a single guy. BTW, mom and dad left me with nothing and they are presently communicating via the USPS, because I wouldn’t pay to have phone installed in their rooms at Shady Lake and Happy Trails Retirement Centers. Opie –Bastard Son–
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Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever. The couples take turns looking after the other’s child. Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
Find another couple with the same problem. Their passion doesn’t have to be fishing, could be golf, tennis, whatever. The couples take turns looking after the other’s child. Since the visiting child gets to play with a new playmate and toys, interest should not be a problem. Peter
Damn! I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie –Planning for the Past–
Damn! I hate it when people give sound and thoughtful advice. Opie –Planning for the Past–
It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it. Peter
Not much will stop a fishing couple from fishing, but lack of child care will do it. I’m wondering how others have handled this at fishing destinations?
None of my exes ever minded being left back at the cabin to watch the kids. Ummm, let me reword that, umm oh cripes, I think I’m starting to understand something. Charlie, getting in touch with my feminine side
Remember Herters? The case that finally dove them into bankruptcy was importing flies and fly tying material from India (and other countries). I would think customs inspectors would see a red light when any thing like a feather showed up in the baggage of a traveler just back from India. I don’t think the money saved would be worth the trouble.
I got the impression he was bringing a kit to tie with while he was *in* India which is why I recommended looking there for materials instead of bringing them *into* India. FWIW — Charlie…
I think your right. It just sounded like the tread was evolving to the point where the guy was going to bring a cotton sack full of feathers back with him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got the impression he was bringing a kit to tie with while he was *in* India which is why I recommended looking there for materials instead of bringing them *into* India. FWIW — Charlie…
Yes, I was just after the most basic materials to take, just in case I couldn’t find them there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think your right. It just sounded like the tread was evolving to the point where the guy was going to bring a cotton sack full of feathers back with him. I got the impression he was bringing a kit to tie with while he was *in* India which is why I recommended looking there for materials instead of bringing them *into* India. FWIW — Charlie…
Remember Herters? The case that finally dove them into bankruptcy was importing flies and fly tying material from India (and other countries). I would think customs inspectors would see a red light when any thing like a feather showed up in the baggage of a traveler just back from India. I don’t think the money saved would be worth the trouble. There are shops around here that sell crafts from third world countries. I have not checked them out because they are mostly "pottery and useless things that women buy".. If they sold fly I would consider buying from them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Assuming that space is drastically limited (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore), What kind of fish? Since a good percent of the worlds commercially tied flies come from India there may be plenty of materials available there. — Charlie…
Assuming that space is drastically limited (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore), and I’m taking 2 rods 9′ #6 & 9′ #10 (both 4 piecers to go on plane with me). I shall be taking a small travellers’ flytying kit with me, and some crucial materials plus the hooks (large and small). Space & weight is really limited (after all, this is supposed to be a business trip), so perhaps a black silk thread, some fine copper wire, ~ but what else? What would you guys take? I have semi made up my mind on the materials, but would like to hear some recommendations.
What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water? George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"
Mike, I would definitely take some marabou and chenille as this is relatively light and flat so is easily packed. Are you still up for the fly swap. E-mail me if any problems. Chris
Assuming that space is drastically limited (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore),
What kind of fish? Since a good percent of the worlds commercially tied flies come from India there may be plenty of materials available there. — Charlie…
Are you Richard Cook ("RC")? I received an email from RC about a fly-swap, 12 contesters or something; is this the fly swap you mention? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, I would definitely take some marabou and chenille as this is relatively light and flat so is easily packed. Are you still up for the fly swap. E-mail me if any problems. Chris
What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water?"
I really don’t know what I’ll be after. In fact it is a perfect mystery for me. I have once stumbled over some writings by a British Army officer whilst posted in Bangalore. He did in fact catch some tiny brownies in the streams in the hills there. However, I shall also be in Madras (Chennai) for a while, and that is by the seaside. I have only ever spent 1 week in India. I saw the most numerous and humongous rats in Bombay; I enjoyed the relative leafy calm of Bangalore, and I withered in the August heat of Delhi. My first day in Bangalore saw some kites from my car window in the suburbs/rural fringes. I asked my agent what they were, and he said that they were large predatory birds looking for "things" in the waterways. We soon came across a bridge over one of these waterways. Naturally I was keen to take a peek over the bridge walls. I’ve never seen such pollution ever in my life; the water was literally a flowing mass of human waste. God only knows what the kites were after. There certainly were no fish in this particular stream. I will be in India on and off for some time to come. I have already given instructions to my agent to research the topic of "fly fishing in southern India". A topic on my agenda for "taxi from airport talk" will most definitely be "where are we going fishing then?" "what will we be after", and (hopefully) so on. Anyway, I’ve opted for: pheasant tail hare’s mask peacock herl starling breast feathers some seal’s fur some badger cock hackles ginger too tinsel small amount of yellow bucktail 2 starling secondaries (one from either wing) french partridge breast feathers duck flank What else should I take?
Michael, yes this is the fly swap. You sent me a message saying you wantyed to participate in the fly swap, sorry if this is not you. Please advise if you will be participating in the swap. Thanks Chris
Must have been a while ago, as I obviously must have forgotten. Either that or bad memory. Did I really mail a message saying I would? Mmm, I’m getting to the point wherefrom I forget how bad my memory really is. 
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You should be able to obtain more than sufficient tying supplies in India. Quite a lot of stuff is on offer there for tying. A friend of mine brought back several hundred quite excellent capes from India, but that was over twenty years ago. Might be worth having a good look around though. Be careful about CITES regulations if you bring anything back with you. I would probably take along a hares mask, a starling skin, and get the rest there. I assume you will be fishing in hill streams for brownies, I vaguely remember reading something about this a long time ago, but I have forgotten where. I also recall reading that many rivers in India are so badly polluted that fishing is more or less a waste of time. Might even be worth while to concentrate on getting some good tying materials, and forget the fishing. I recall my friend telling me he only fished twice while he was there, once for trout, and once for something like perch, the rest of the time he wandered around collecting materials. Got some magnificent stuff too. Whatever, hope you have a nice time there. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Assuming that space is drastically limited (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend?
Check import of natural materials. For example, I think Japan bans peacock. Don’t know anything about India.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Assuming that space is drastically limited (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore), and I’m taking 2 rods 9′ #6 & 9′ #10 (both 4 piecers to go on plane with me). I shall be taking a small travellers’ flytying kit with me, and some crucial materials plus the hooks (large and small). Space & weight is really limited (after all, this is supposed to be a business trip), so perhaps a black silk thread, some fine copper wire, ~ but what else? What would you guys take? I have semi made up my mind on the materials, but would like to hear some recommendations.
<< What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water?"
I really don’t know what I’ll be after. In fact it is a perfect mystery for me. I have once stumbled over some writings by a British Army officer whilst posted in Bangalore. He did in fact catch some tiny brownies in the streams in the hills there. << Michael" A quick search under Mahseer, a species I remember from reading books by colonial British sportsmen, found the following, among 80 other sites. I have no connection to this or any other fishing site and relay it only as a possible source of info. "Mahseer Fishing Holidays in India with Chandertal Tours The finest freshwater fighting fish in the world? The Mahseer is regarded by many anglers as simply the best sport available, and the first time you hook a sizeable one you will discover why! Today, it can be found mostly in India and Burma." http://www.adventure-mag.com/Default.asp?Adventure=14 I think I recall that Mahseer are the largest members of the minnow family, running well past 100 lbs. Legendarily, one needs deep sea gear to land them. Probably horsehooey; in Indian rivers today you probably are casting for Coney Island Whitefish. The Mahseer in the picture at that site is pretty impressive though. Keep us posted. Glenn GKT
<< What species of fish will you be fishing for? How long will you be there? Are we talking fresh or salt water?"
I really don’t know what I’ll be after. In fact it is a perfect mystery for me. I have once stumbled over some writings by a British Army officer whilst posted in Bangalore. He did in fact catch some tiny brownies in the streams in the hills there. << Michael" Forget my last post about a web site on Mahseer. Look at the picture at this site http://www.indianwildlife.com/angling_mahseersouth.htm It would take a fish like that to convince me to stand half-naked in a river in India, and the sucker had better have fought like a tarpon. Anyway, this site was under "southern" India and Bangalore. Good luck. Maybe there are still exotic species tucked away in corners where people haven’t completely crapped up the world. GKT
Assuming that space is drastically limited (i.e. business trip overseas), what limited flytying materials would you recommend? I’m off to southern India (Bangalore), and I’m taking 2 rods 9′ #6 & 9′ #10 (both 4 piecers to go on plane with me). I shall be taking a small travellers’ flytying kit with me, and some crucial materials plus the hooks (large and small). Space & weight is really limited (after all, this is supposed to be a business trip), so perhaps a black silk thread, some fine copper wire, ~ but what else? What would you guys take? I have semi made up my mind on the materials, but would like to hear some recommendations.
Penicillin. And plenty of it.
"John Beowulf" wrote… Well, I don’t know about that but last Sunday this kid was fishing in San Francisco Bay and caught, well uh, (gross alert) a human skull. Maby its the old bad boy of the teamsters!
What did he catch it on? –Steve
I think he was just dead weight, at the end of the line. PatK I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn
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Joe Fleischman writes: I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed.
Uhuh. He was found under Tammy Fay Baker’s make-up! Dave LaCourse
Dave LaCourse wrote Joe Fleischman writes: I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed. Uhuh. He was found under Tammy Fay Baker’s make-up!
The worst part is…he was buried alive! — -dnc-
Peter Charles wrote I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie **Psychic To The Recently Deceased** but I’m sure he ended up as chum.
Ironic. He started out as king. I knew a morphological change occurred in the life cycle, but I didn’t think a species change was part of the deal. — -dnc-
Nope.. concrete waders. That’s where Orvis got the idea for their ‘Bulletproof’ wader series. Herman Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975. wet wading? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.
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I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
Well, I don’t know about that but last Sunday this kid was fishing in San Francisco Bay and caught, well uh, (gross alert) a human skull. Maby its the old bad boy of the teamsters! -John
I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
No. Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975. — Charlie…
No. Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975.
I think he’s in my son’s room under his bed. Joe F.
Hoffa was pardoned by Nixon in 1971 and disappeared in 1975.
wet wading? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.
I thought using chum while fly fishing was considered unsporting??:) Lloyd Heilbrunn
I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**
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I’m not too sure Hoffa had any *chums*! — Opie **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**
but I’m sure he ended up as chum. Peter
I know this is away off topic but—.Saw am movie last night about the life of Jimmy Hoffa.Now I am not a student of American history north or south but I was alive and kicking during the Hoffa years.Am I correct in thinking that Hoffa was dead long before Nixon became president so could not have been pardoned by aforementioned president?
Was that the movie starring Jack Nicholson as Jimmy Hoffa? Excellent. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
Anyone have an aluminum jon boat that they can recommend?
Rich, If it’s just for yourself try a ten foot aluminium jon boat. Sea Nymph is a good brand. It’s very light and doesn’t draw much water. I believe you can get one new for about $500.00 – if it’s used, in my neck of the woods (Sullivan County, New York), they go for about $150 to $200 though the newspapers. Plus, you can stand in them when you cast which you really can’t do in a kayak or, for that matter, in a canoe. Merry Christmas, Tony Ritter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Seconding another poster, have you considered a kayak? Simple, light (50-80 pounds), easy to carry single-handed (simply hold it over your head and trot along), much faster than other paddle-powered boats (you will leave a rowboat in the dust, metaphorically speaking, and a canoe too), and stable enough if you get the right one. If you get enthusiastic and skilled enough, you can even paddle these out into the ocean and saltwater fish. I would particularly look at the Folboat (sp?) brand of folding sea kayaks. These have a frame that you assemble and then insert into a rubber/fabric skin. The advantages over regular kayaks are: the cockpit is open (your legs are exposed, rather than being tucked into a round coaming) which would make it easy to stash tackle bags, small coolers, the paddle, the rod, etc. which otherwise have to be strapped to the rounded top of the boat; these are beamy (wide) boats and hence very stable — not as stable as a jonboat and you won’t stand up in it, but if you have a minimum of coordination you’ll find it just fine to paddle, fish, even snooze in a seated position; because they break down and fit into a large duffel bag, you can stuff it in the trunk of your car or a closet or even check it on a plane; and, as folding kayaks go, it’s inexpensive (in the ballpark of $500-700 used for a single boat, I *think* — check out rec.boats.paddle.) Hardcore sea kayakers may tell you the Folboat isn’t tough enough: they’re talking about multi-day ocean trips loaded with 100 pounds of food and water and launching through heavy surf, which isn’t too relevant for your usage. Another folding kayak with a similar design, but tougher and more expensive, is the Klepper series. (Kleppers have crossed the Atlantic, in fact.) Overkill for fishing on a lake, and older ones might need too much TLC, but if you found one used for cheap enough it’d be OK. Yet another is the Feathercraft series. I think these are tremendous for ocean use (I have two Feathercraft K-1’s) but they have a traditional hard cockpit coaming (not an open cockpit) and are definitely overkill (used price is like $3000). I have flyfished from my Feathercraft off the California coast and found it a pain, since there was no handy place to put my rod when I picked up the paddle or vice versa. Another idea along the kayak line would be one of the surfboard style kayaks. I don’t recall the actual name for this type. They are molded out of a single piece of plastic, you sit in a molded depression, they are really quite cheap and capable but you do not stay dry so unless you like wearing wetsuits or fish in warm water . . . but might be a way to try out the concept for cheap, by renting one for a weekend. If you do choose a kayak, take a course in handling them and safety. — Using Virtual Access http://www.soft-shop.com
I’m looking for ideas and info. on what you all think is the ideal boat/pram for fly fishing. I plan to fish small lakes that I will need to row, or use an electric or gas motor (if allowed). The boat needs to be somewhat light (100# thereabouts) because I will have to lift and carry it maybe 100 yards to launch in some cases. I can car top or trailer, does not matter. I have seen the dinky prams in the magazines, but I think I need more room. Anyone have an aluminum jon boat that they can recommend? Appreciate any help Rich
If I were you I would look into a kayak. I upgraded from a float tube and think it’s great! If you want I have some group postings I can email you. They helped me make my decision. Lot’s of good people in the group so you will get more good input, maybe more than you want. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for ideas and info.
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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it. Has flyline.com moved? I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent
Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it. Has flyline.com moved? I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent
Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS
Hi- We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it. Has flyline.com moved? I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi- We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it. Has flyline.com moved? I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more. http://www.FLYLINE.com
Ralph, Could you post a Tahoe area report here? Thanks, Michael Smith
Olympus Pro-Master Twin. Water resistant. Great lens. Great pictures. Gary C. "Lie ? Me ? Never! No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun !" – Captain Hook
One other thing to consider….choose a camera that has "macro focus". This feature allows you to have clearly focussed shots of fish that are between 1 to 4 feet away from you. Such as, right at your feet, or on your lap while in a float tube. Many cameras don’t have this capaability and you will end up with a blurred image of your prize…….
I use one of those cheap-ass disposable jobs. It doesn’t take the greatest pictures but all I care about is "evidence." Besides, I wade too deep and fall too much. I don’t want to have to worry about a camera when I should be worried about the fish (and myself for that matter.)
I carry a Pentax 90WR. This is a "showerproof" zoom fully automatic compact. It is slightly larger and heavier than most compacts but I prefer that. When turned off, it would survive a complete dunking (shallow water) – certainly if it was in a case or in a vest pocket – and will operate in rainy conditions if required. Laurie Melbourne, Victoria Australia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m new to flyfishing and I’d trying to decide what kind of camera to permanently carry in my fly vest. What do you guys use? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Neil Summers Calgary, Alberta Canada _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Hi I’m new to flyfishing and I’d trying to decide what kind of camera to permanently carry in my fly vest. What do you guys use?
In addition to those already mentioned you might want to look into an Olympus camera I think is called the "Stylus." (?) I have an older model Olympus which isn’t made anymore but which I *think* was replaced by the Stylus, which I also think has the features I bought mine for: I.e. not only a 35 mm wide angle lens but also a 70 mm lens which is very nice, and a "splashproof" rating saying it is seriously water-resistant, usable even in the rain. (Just not good for use underwater.) In fact I’ve had it submerged for a good 10 minute dunk once on accident and it has showed no ill effects, and it has gotten wet many times in the rain, even in the cold rain while duck hunting. Mine cost me about $170 if I recall right. As stated, I *think* the Stylus is its replacement, and the only change I know of is that it is smaller. But if not, then I’d look for a camera giving you at least those two features of a "zoom"-type second lens (which has really turned out to be very very nice if not indispensable) and at least some degree of water-proofedness. Cheers, and good luck. Let us know what you decide. Tom B. (P.S. Though, as one other poster noted, if you really are after very very fine quality shots don’t get a camera with two lenses; get the one with the Zeiss lens. But expect to pay, and if you are just after casual snaps, expect to wish that you had something other than a wide-angle lens.)
I see you have some responses from folks talking about chest waders, not hip waders. The hip boots are not so snug as neoprene and they just go up far enough to make you think you can wade in a shallow stream, then after a few steps about knee deep you step six inches deeper and suddenly have a water parachute strapped onto each leg. Damn right these things can kill you if you’re in heavy water when this
happens. You’re right, Mark. In my lexicon, "hip waders" end at a belt around the waist, while "hip boots" (which I gather is the actual topic) end around mid-thigh, and certainly can’t be "belted"… The above perspective may be due to being 6′5" tall: they don’t make "hip boots" that come to *my* hips, that’s for sure ;^) The only time I wear "hip boots" is when launching or reloading my boat – I’d wet-wade before I’d ever use a pair of those for fishing… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "XX" from my address to respond by email!! < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be shared by my employer, etc…
I see you have some responses from folks talking about chest waders, not The only time I wear "hip boots" is when launching or reloading my boat – I’d wet-wade before I’d ever use a pair of those for fishing… Cheers! /dave
Hi Dave, I’ve been watching this thread and for the most part agree about hip boats if you’re talking bigger water. They ARE no fun to swim in (voice of experience), but you’re not typically in chest deep water if you do go down when wearing hip boots. Unless you oopsy and find a deep hole because you weren’t probing with your wading staff, or get washed into deep water you can usually get stood up again without too much problem. But! When fishing very fast and rough water where I’m not quite crazy enough to wade over knee deep, or fishing small and/or well known streams, I much prefer "hip boots". I can roll them down to get some air to vital parts, and they are much less restrictive (to me). Scratching is easier too. I guess I’m a wuss, ’cause if I’m wading water that I know has sections over my head, or I don’t know well, I get real nervous about wading in very deep…. War story……. The last time I went down with hip boots the water was only about 30" deep. I drug a hand to keep my head upstream, was washed into a deeper hole, stood up, and walked out. That walk might have been a little rushed, since it was November and the water was a bit cool. I wasn’t wearing a pfd since I know the river well and have fished it for thirty years. It was no big drama, except the walk back to the truck was miserable. If it had been a strange stream, I’d have had a pfd on and floated to the next shallow stretch, or swam to shore. In my chest waders. Steve
FYI: I once read somewhere that Lee Wulff jumped off a bridge with waders, head first no less, to prove a point about waders filling with water. I can’t remember if they were hip or chest waders. Maybe someone else has come across this story.
No big deal for Lee…the man walked on water… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
Michael, I saw a film of Lee Wulff diving off of a bridge with waders and no belt then swimming to shore in order to prove that waders filled with water won’t pull you under. Water weighs nothing in water. I’ve been toying with the idea of trying this out in a swimming pool sometime. My concern with neoprene waders is that they might float your legs too high in the water causing you to fight to keep your head high. Ron
About 5 years ago, a visiting fisherman ventured too far out off of Oregon Beach in Cotuit (Cape Cod) and disappeared. If I remember correctly, they found what was left of him a few weeks later. The accident was attributed to his lack of knowledge of the area, which is riddled with deep water holes, and the fact that he could not get out of his waders. It happens…
Well, as apparently "what was left of him" couldn’t answer whether the waders had anything to do with his disappearance, the waders may not actually have been a factor. We lose many swimmers (not wearing waders, obviously) from undertow along the New England coast than that. I’ve swamped in my waders in heavy water (eg: Rapid River, and the Andy below the Gage House pool) and never felt at additional risk from the waders. Wear a friggin’ belt – common sense at work, imho… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "XX" from my address to respond by email!! < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be shared by my employer, etc…
Is this discussion about panic or real danger ? If you fall in with hippers and panic…yer dead. If you fall in with hippers and stay cool…yer alive. That’s what they tell you anyway…I dunno…. Once at a party a well intentioned but rather inebriated good friend pushed me into the deep end of the private pool. I had on big hiking boots and levis. (Quite the pool-party-animal that I am….). I honestly got really scared when I tried to swim but could not, sinking like a rock. On the bottom, I pushed off the bottom enough that I made it to the edge. I’d have to think that most cases in rivers, streams and lakes, you could essentially do the same thing. A big dropoff though ? A man in Boulder reservoir died in hippers just this way a few years back. Hippers in big water I think is very, very dangerous. Not from filling with water, but because the boots themselves are more dense. TimW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack Michael, I saw a film of Lee Wulff diving off of a bridge with waders and no belt then swimming to shore in order to prove that waders filled with water won’t pull you under. Water weighs nothing in water. I’ve been toying with the idea of trying this out in a swimming pool sometime. My concern with neoprene waders is that they might float your legs too high in the water causing you to fight to keep your head high. Ron
– TimW Halfordian Golfer
Hmm, hip waders are dangerous, and significantly more so than chest waders. The Lee Wulff stunt was done with neoprene chest waders. Neoprene is lighter than water and will help you float. The problems with hip waders are that they fill very quickly and they open up “parachute style”. More often than not they are made of rubber, which does not float. I have been dragged away by a river both in chest neoprene waders and in rubber hip waders, and the hip waders accident was much much more scary, I thought I would have to slip off them. Hip waders often have a buckle on the side, so you can strap them to your belt. The fist thing I would do when I bougth a new pair of hip waders was to cut the damn thing off, so that, in case of emergency, it would be much easier to slip off them. This was suggested to my by the most experienced fisherman I know and by the owner of the shop I used to go to when I was in Italy. I have heard of enough accidents with hip waders back in Europe to consider them dangerous in large bodies of water. In small bodies of water, though, they are definitely preferable, as they are much easier to get in and out of, IMHO. -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack Michael, I saw a film of Lee Wulff diving off of a bridge with waders and no belt then swimming to shore in order to prove that waders filled with water won’t pull you under. Water weighs nothing in water. I’ve been toying with the idea of trying this out in a swimming pool sometime. My concern with neoprene waders is that they might float your legs too high in the water causing you to fight to keep your head high. Ron
I see you have some responses from folks talking about chest waders, not hip waders. The hip boots are not so snug as neoprene and they just go up far enough to make you think you can wade in a shallow stream, then after a few steps about knee deep you step six inches deeper and suddenly have a water parachute strapped onto each leg. Damn right these things can kill you if you’re in heavy water when this happens. I don’t think there is a practical fishing use for these, maybe for landing fish when you are shorefishing but not for wading. Even waist height waders make a big difference where it counts most because you can belt them. If you use hip waders you should get some lacy garters to go with them. MarK Vinsel Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
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Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
Michael, About 5 years ago, a visiting fisherman ventured too far out off of Oregon Beach in Cotuit (Cape Cod) and disappeared. If I remember correctly, they found what was left of him a few weeks later. The accident was attributed to his lack of knowledge of the area, which is riddled with deep water holes, and the fact that he could not get out of his waders. It happens… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier
Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
Hi Michael I’ve not personally seen a death from hip waders but have over the years helped fly fishers who "went too far" while using hip waders on three occasions. One on the Madison River would have ended in a drown had a friend and I not been handy to pull the guy out of the water. With the full waders I don’t know if I could have pulled him out alone — the current and the full waders made for a very heavy load. I personally think hip waders are and accident waiting to happen but I’m sure there are many who would not agree. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products On line catalog – tips & tricks at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com
Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
FYI: I once read somewhere that Lee Wulff jumped off a bridge with waders, head first no less, to prove a point about waders filling with water. I can’t remember if they were hip or chest waders. Maybe someone else has come across this story. B.
Hello folks, My name is Michael Drapack. I am a journalist for a consumer show on Canadian television. I know this may sound a little strange, but the medical examiner in the province of British Columbia has recently recorded three deaths caused by hip waders filling with water and drowning the person wearing them. Has anybody out there heard of a Thank you and sorry for the intrusion Michael Drapack
This is a regular, tho I’m glad to say, infrequent occurence during the fishing season in Scotland. It is wholly unnecessary because many anglers panic when they "go over the top" and do not know how to react (although sometimes drowning results from a secondary factor like heart attact from the shock as happened on the Spey last year). If you do fall in the procedure is to get on your back, keep your feet well up and pointing downstream (your feet will hit the rocks rather than your head) and paddle with your hands towards the shallow water. The late Hugh Falkus of Cumbria and flyfisher extrordinaire made an excellent video of this when he was about, I think, 70 years old, demonstrating in person. The demonstration was also shown on one the TV angling programmes over here a few years back. Hope this helps – Ian — Ian McCowen – Polwarth Manse, Greenlaw, Berwickshire TD10 6YR SCOTLAND (fine old books on Shooting, Fishing, Natural History bought & sold)
While looking through some fishing catalogs that have recently made it to my mailbox, a question came to mind… I know that a tapered leader is an option…and so is a knotted taper… my question is, can I use "regular" monofilament for the taper or even the tippet for that matter…I mean, isn’t it all essentially the same stuff? Also, I stumbled across a "Hobbs Creek Combo" in the Bass Pro catalog… it’s a 8-1/2 ft 7 wt w/ a rod bag, wf-7-f line, 100 yd backing and a tapered leader thrown in…all for the unbelievably low price of $94.95…that’s right, only 94.95…so call now…uh, sorry…sales pitc mode…does anyone have any experience with this combo? or any other combos in this "super-cheapy" range? There’s also a graphite rod combo for $179.94 that might be a better "investment"…anyhow, if you have the catalog, look on page 50 and 51 and let me know if any of these are worth looking at… Fish on!, JC
Yes, it’s "all the same stuff". However, remember that the taper relates to the diameter of the material, not its breaking strength. And since manufacturers don’t necessarily produce a uniform diameter to strength product, you have to watch it. Four pound test may not be thinner than six pound test from a different manufacturer. Charley
Yeah it’s all the same stuff. Unless you buy a tapered leader the mono you buy is all level. There are pros & cons to buying as well as tying your own leaders, but as a general rule I would stick to buying tapered. They are certainly more convenient and easier to deal with and I havn’t found a situation where they wouldn’t work. Save yourself the effort of tying, unless you really need a specialized leader (long & fine for drys…etc.). As per the rod you probably should try to decide how serious you want to be before you buy. Save yourself the money of buying two outfits (a cheap one now & an upgrade later)esp. if you intend to persue the sport for life. I recommend a Sage 590 RPL and a Ross Gunnison reel. This outfit will cover you for 90% of the freshwater fishing you will encounter and will last a lifetime. If you are still concerned about the price check out the Sage Discovery Series (rod, reel, and line) for around $250 the extra investment is definately worth the enjoyment of fishing with better equipment. TIEFLIE
If anyone cares (please!), the editor/publisher of California Fly Fisher has finally figured out how to get his modem working without sending the rest of his hardware into a nervous breakdown. Current email addresses are And hey, fans of Seth Norman’s writing (as seen in such august pubs as Fly Rod & Reel, Gray’s Sporting Journal, Fied & Stream and – yow! – Cal FF) might like to know that, as of Jan 21, he’s the proud papa of baby Sofia. Ta ta for now, Richard Anderson
If anyone cares (please!), the editor/publisher of California Fly Fisher has finally figured out how to get his modem working without sending the rest of his hardware into a nervous breakdown. Current email addresses are
Cool. California Fly Fisher gets on to the Internet. I’ll have you know that I have been promoting your magazine in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly since it’s debut issue and have posted the subscrition address a number of times. Keep up the good work. — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA "Ask me about my vow of silence."
Richard, great to have you online. I never get to bed early the day your magazine arrives, because I’ll read it way into the night. Please publish your e-mail addresses in your magazine also, I’m sure it will increase the letters to the editor. Keep up the great work! We should have plenty of water next season! Bill