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I’m probably breaking some copywright law, but from the Lewiston ID Tribune but.. George Eugene (Billis) Gehrke, an avid fly fisherman, inventor and writer, passed away Sunday Dec. 8, 2002, at his Asotin home. He was 68. He was born July 28, 1934, in Toledo, Ohio. Graduating from Anthony Wayne High School in 1954, he was the first in his class to go directly into the Air Force Cadet Program. After his tour with the Air Force, he married the love of his life, Gladys Gray, Sept. 6, 1958, in Toledo. He often told others how lucky he was to have her in his life and how much he loved her. George owned a fly fishing company and manufactured its products since 1973. He is survived by his wife, Gladys, at the Asotin home; three sons, Robert of Panama City, Fla., Stuart of Trout Creek, Colo., and Gregory of Asotin; three daughters, Rosemary Tafoya of Asotin, Tracy Castaneda of Houston and Georgia Gehrke of Kapaa, Hawaii. He is also survived by a sister, Karol Ann of Archie, Mo.; brothers, Ernest Gehrke and John Billis of Ohio; uncle C.M. Kurczak of Baton Rouge, La.; several nieces and nephews; 11 grandchildren; and many, many friends. A memorial service will be held at 1 p.m. Thursday at the family home at Asotin. Vassar-Rawls Funeral Home of Lewiston is in charge of arrangements.

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Thanks Wayne, for passing that along. Rest in Peace, George. bruce h

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. … Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding … If some unscrupulous scum mined ROFF for email addies and spoofed their SMTP server into subscribing all of us as if we’d requested it ourselves, YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey could in fact, be blameless in all this. We haven’t seen the intel guy since this all happened.

You mean the guy who shared a cubicle with six people and wondered if G.I. Joe sold good rods? The guy who Richard Dean thought was a techie scumbag troll? I think he and Janik are out fishing right now, or spending money at a fly shop, or doing some damn thing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I have always advocated gentlemanly demeanor, proper etiquette, and a kinder, gentler atmosphere to promote good-hearted camaraderie in this forum.  Let us refrain from the rigorous strain of hostile countenance and deport ourselves in a manor which brings enlightenment and good will to all who chance upon this domain. — Wayne (can’t take a WHOLE bottle of Macallan to the Clave!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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I have always advocated gentlemanly demeanor, proper etiquette, and a kinder, gentler atmosphere to promote good-hearted camaraderie in this forum.  Let us refrain from the rigorous strain of hostile countenance and deport ourselves in a manor which brings enlightenment and good will to all who chance upon this domain.

Yeah right, what he said, except of course for spammers, recalcitrant newbies, sundry assholes, a couple of people with obviously aberrant opinions, weight chuckers, nymph fishers, worm danglers, competition fishermen, people with carbon fibre fly reels, elitists, catch and killers, dry fly purists, wet fly swingers, spawn bag dunkers, catch and releasers, political posters, users of barbed hooks, bamboo rods, nylon nets, rods, poles, and perches, and all the other scum. TL MC

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Yeah! — Wayne (Macallans is getting light, might have to make a run to the pop shop) To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah right, what he said, except of course for spammers, recalcitrant newbies, sundry assholes, a couple of people with obviously aberrant opinions, weight chuckers, nymph fishers, worm danglers, competition fishermen, people with carbon fibre fly reels, elitists, catch and killers, dry fly purists, wet fly swingers, spawn bag dunkers, catch and releasers, political posters, users of barbed hooks, bamboo rods, nylon nets, rods, poles, and perches, and all the other scum. TL MC

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Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen.

Wouldn’t be spamming us twice now would you?Thank goodness there are other shops we can spend our hard earned money on. You are not by chance friends with the guy who makes gink are you? Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis.

Not really caring about the size of his manhood, seems to me he at least has the gonads to use his real name, you cowardly little twit. Posted Using FishingLife.com News Service "Life was made for fishing!" http://www.fishinglife.com

One more site I can do without. Kind of sorry I dropped all that money in Angler’s Covey last year, a mistake I will not repeat. Wayne

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MaverickMan wrote Dear Ken, Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions.

…diatribe snipped Except you … apparently —                                                       -dnc-

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We’re all Bozo’s on this bus. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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We’re all Bozo’s on this bus.

And the driver got off at the last stop. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. … Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding …

If some unscrupulous scum mined ROFF for email addies and spoofed their SMTP server into subscribing all of us as if we’d requested it ourselves, YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey could in fact, be blameless in all this. I’m not in high dudgeon because of that, disgusting and despicable as it is. What really frosts my shorts is the officially stated policy of adding folks to their listserv on the referral of a "friend". That’s wrong, WAY wrong, and the sooner YourRiver, Angler’s Covey, Keith Welch et al figure that out the better. And I’m more than happy to help them come to that conclusion. — Ken Fortenberry

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YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. … Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding … If some unscrupulous scum mined ROFF for email addies and spoofed their SMTP server into subscribing all of us as if we’d requested it ourselves, YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey could in fact, be blameless in all this.

We haven’t seen the intel guy since this all happened. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not in high dudgeon because of that, disgusting and despicable as it is. What really frosts my shorts is the officially stated policy of adding folks to their listserv on the referral of a "friend". That’s wrong, WAY wrong, and the sooner YourRiver, Angler’s Covey, Keith Welch et al figure that out the better. And I’m more than happy to help them come to that conclusion. — Ken Fortenberry

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Well, Mr. Brunson, regardless of your opinion about Mr. Fortenberry the truth is that YourRiver has taken my name (and apparently many others) from this newsgroup and sent spamming email to me. Even if their web site "rocks" (?) they’re still doing something I detest by lifting my address for a mailing list. Some users don’t appreciate that and though you may find spam in your email box to be of some value, to me it means that YourRiver is just another bunch of spamming f_____g morons. So, Mr. Brunson if you haven’t been on line much in the last decade I’ll clue you in on something: spam for sites that "rock" is no more welcome than Montezuma’s revenge to most of us.

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Yeah right, what he said, except of course for spammers, recalcitrant newbies, sundry assholes, a couple of people with obviously aberrant opinions, weight chuckers, nymph fishers, worm danglers, competition fishermen, people with carbon fibre fly reels, elitists, catch and killers, dry fly purists, wet fly swingers, spawn bag dunkers, catch and releasers, political posters, users of barbed hooks, bamboo rods, nylon nets, rods, poles, and perches, and all the other scum.

You forgot about people who fish "on the redds." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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You forgot about people who fish "on the redds."

My apologies, a simple oversight. TL MC

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Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding on the SMTP server that resides on the COLORADODOTNET machine. If properly configured, that SMTP server would not allow emails with a FROM address that didn’t belong to a domain hosted by that machine. However, the permission on that machine are so lax that I can actually send an email from that machine as if I were Keith Welch–and since it would be sent from the same machine as Keith’s regular mail, the headers from my email would be indistinguishable from his. If you don’t believe me, just ask RW.

Yep. In fact, Ken, I had half a mind to send you an email from him telling you to "piss off you incessant little prig" but I figured that since you’d have no way to tell that it was a joke sent from yours truly, you might reply to the email and then there’d be "real" trouble

It wouldn’t have mattered, Steve. Ken would have lost the email among the dozens of similar ones he gets every day. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis.

<translationMommy, them mean despammers smacked my pee-pee again!</translation What a pud. Shouldn’t you be trolling NANAE instead? "Why can’t everybody else leave everybody else alone?"                               -Hank Junior

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… Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time … Quick, hang up the modem before mommy catches you on the computer.

Oddly enough, ‘fishinglife’, which is in his message header as the authenticated X-sender, allows you to subscribe to their list without verification too. And the subscription email came from starphire.com, just like his post did. <g — Charlie…

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Dear Ken, Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions.

(snip) etc. Have I got this right, you don’t like him much? Chris

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Have I got this right, you don’t like him much?

He’ll have to get in line and wait his turn. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. When I complained, the CEO apologized for any inconvenience but he did not apologize for having added my name to the listserv, explaining instead that if referred by a friend YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey would add my email address to their list.

Part of the blame should be placed on the ISP who allows mail-forwarding on the SMTP server that resides on the COLORADODOTNET machine. If properly configured, that SMTP server would not allow emails with a FROM address that didn’t belong to a domain hosted by that machine. However, the permission on that machine are so lax that I can actually send an email from that machine as if I were Keith Welch–and since it would be sent from the same machine as Keith’s regular mail, the headers from my email would be indistinguishable from his. If you don’t believe me, just ask RW. In fact, Ken, I had half a mind to send you an email from him telling you to "piss off you incessant little prig" but I figured that since you’d have no way to tell that it was a joke sent from yours truly, you might reply to the email and then there’d be "real" trouble –Steve

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Damn!  How come Ken always gets all the fan mail!?! <g

I would have thought it was you-know-who, except the post used ‘their’ properly. <g — Charlie…

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… Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time …

Quick, hang up the modem before mommy catches you on the computer. — Ken Fortenberry

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… Reading your useless postings … LMAO! Damn!  How come Ken always gets all the fan mail!?! <g

I’m wondering if the anonymous Mr. MaverickMan is the clever young marketing genius about to be shitcanned by tlww.com or just a crank making mischief with mommy’s modem. At any rate this thread is a convenient place to further observe just how egregious the behavior of YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey has been in this situation. As anyone who’s ever run a listserv knows, one of the cardinal rules is to never add anyone to the list who doesn’t personally request to be added. Some listserv programs require a request and a verification of the request, so universal is this convention. YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey added me twice to their listserv without my permission. When I complained, the CEO apologized for any inconvenience but he did not apologize for having added my name to the listserv, explaining instead that if referred by a friend YourRiver aka Angler’s Covey would add my email address to their list. This is OUTRAGEOUS ! It is nothing less than institutionalized SPAMming and it’s no less vile, quite the contrary, it is considerably more vile, for being stated as company policy. Pooh-pooh this incident if you wish, but it’s one of the scariest goddamn things I’ve seen on the Internet lately and the fact it’s being done by a Colorado flyfishing store sickens me. — Ken Fortenberry

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  Dear Ken, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions. You are not important. Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen. Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time than getting any amount of spam ever would be. Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis. Note: To reply to this sender, remove NOJUNK from the email address.

LMAO! Damn!  How come Ken always gets all the fan mail!?! <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Solipsistic, eh? Very nice. Haven’t heard anybody use that one in a long time. You read an opinion expressed in a public forum and you feel you must respond with incivility? Gosh, I hope you feel better. You don’t own any guns, do you? I’d hate to see what happened if BK burned your fries. Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen.

Are you getting a commission for posting your message? I hope you’ll invest in a trip to the doctor to find the REAL cause of your vomiting. If you want to deliver a commercial for an already unpopular web site, I suggest you wrap it in something other than puke. Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time than getting any amount of spam ever would be.

…then would you please put him in your kill file? I would almost rather read spam than a personal attack on another human being whose attacker knows him only from a few lines he’s written in a Usenet newsgroup. Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis.

I don’t understand the connection. Most people who post to this group on a regular basis don’t want to see unsolicited commercial advertising in it. I share Ken’s opinion. Expressing an opinion isn’t cowardice. In our "herd mentality" culture, expressing an opinion which may be perceived as contrary requires the opposite of cowardice. As for your interest in the size of another man’s wedding tackle, I shudder to guess at what may be behind it. Note: To reply to this sender, remove NOJUNK from the email address.

Nah, I’d rather express my opinion toward your post in public. The type of post which attacks a person who is essentially a stranger is something I find unwholesome and unwelcome. I’m not writing this to defend Ken Fortenberry. He’s a big boy and can do it very well himself. I have a feeling that you’re going to find out how well he does it any minute now. Did I get my point across without calling you names or making uninformed suppositions about your motives and parentage? I hope so. No condemnation intended. Please don’t email me. Since this started in public, let’s finish it here. LR

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Dear Ken, Get a clue you pompous, solipsistic, self-aggrandizing ass. No one cares about you or your ego-driven, vacuous and vitriolic piss and moan sessions. You are not important. Your irrational, pointless, mind-numbing ramblings besides making me vomit, made me check out YourRiver.com and their site ROCKS! They have the coolest animation on knots and fly tying that I have ever seen. Reading your useless postings has been a greater waste of my time than getting any amount of spam ever would be. Taking on the "spam cause" is a true reflection of your cowardice and the diminutive nature of your penis. Note: To reply to this sender, remove NOJUNK from the email address. Posted Using FishingLife.com News Service "Life was made for fishing!" http://www.fishinglife.com

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The fishing inside the park was great when was there.  I saw two others fishing in a week. Lots of little Brookies. Crystal clear feeder brooks. Didn’t crawl way up into the high country so can’t say about that, and the only water of any size is paralleled by the main park road. Lots of easy access but you are kind of in a fish bowl as half of New Jersey drives by. But again the fishing was great.  Seem to remember some interesting water back in off the Cade’s Cove area. Don’t know why you would need a guide, just decent maps. The town itself and "Dollywood" could use a good cleaning out with a flame thrower. A real indictment of private sector greed and Babbitry. Or on the positive thinking side, it "offers many entertaining and shopping adventures" for the non-fishers in your party.  The park itself is magnificent. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up. Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

        there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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More importantly, where does she fish, where are her favorite pools, and does she prefer wine or Scotch?  Godiva chocolates are always appropriate. Wayne to fish is human…to release divine. This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John

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Whoa, Charlie….let’s think this through a little bit.  Sure, I wouldn’t mind an afternoon on-stream with Lefty, but you distinctly said spending an *evening* with the model.  Want to reconsider?

Nope. You can spend an evening listening to someone talk about their makeup if you like, though. The next morning I’ll know a lot more about fishing and you’ll be convinced that if she hadn’t had to go home early to wash her hair, you could have scored<g. — Charlie…

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Hi all, I’ll go home and get the magazine from my wife this weekend and post whatever information it contains next Monday…  I’m only telling y’all what my wife told me!  If it’s not too long, maybe I’ll post excerpts from the article. Other than that, given a choice between spending the weekend with a model or Lefty Kreh, I’d definitely say I’d have to take Lefty.  That way I’d still be alive when I got home as it might be difficult to flyfish while my wife is shooting at me. Happy New Year! Tom This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John

– Thomas Chou International Sensor Technology 3 Whatney Irvine, CA 92618 Ph: 949.452.9316 Fx: 949.452.9009 www.gotgas.com

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but if she is half the person Left is that would make a wonderful evening discussing fishign and tying! Thought I was gonna be rude there didn’t you <g Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie… Oh come now man, get your priorities straight.  I’d rather spend an "evening" with the model, I’d rather spend the weekend with Lefty. Oh am I in trouble when I get home tonight.  :-) Later,      - Ken

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EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Charlie ol boy you just made a terrible mistake!!!! Sexist comments like that are really gonna bring the house down..Besides who says that natural beauty needs help?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whoa, Charlie….let’s think this through a little bit.  Sure, I wouldn’t mind an afternoon on-stream with Lefty, but you distinctly said spending an *evening* with the model.  Want to reconsider? Nope. You can spend an evening listening to someone talk about their makeup if you like, though. The next morning I’ll know a lot more about fishing and you’ll be convinced that if she hadn’t had to go home early to wash her hair, you could have scored<g. — Charlie…

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but if she is half the person Left is that would make a wonderful evening discussing fishign and tying! Thought I was gonna be rude there didn’t you <g Pierre

Actually, the comparison I was making was an evening with Lefty vs an evening with a ‘regular’ model, not the ‘mythical’ fishing lady in the ad. The supposition was made in an earlier post that the ad was a fake (since I haven’t seen it I have no opinion on that). Given the choice between the ‘fishing lady model’ and Lefty, I’d probably still go with Lefty though, but the choice would be more difficult<g. — Charlie…

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More importantly, where does she fish, where are her favorite pools, and does she prefer wine or Scotch?  Godiva chocolates are always appropriate.

OK, but what size hook should you tie the chocolates onto?  Standard nymph, wide-gape bassin’ hook, ram it onto the post on that funny Partridge parachute hook, or what?  Maybe a dry fly hook, and drown the whole concoction (confection? in Gink?  Inquiring minds…  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Charlie ol boy you just made a terrible mistake!!!! Sexist comments like that are really gonna bring the house down..Besides who says that natural beauty needs help??

Have you ever talked to a model, of either sex? The ones I have are mostly interested in their looks and the makeup that helps them ‘enhance’ their looks. My comment wasn’t intended to be sexist, just anti-model<g. Maybe I just ran into a few bad apples. — Charlie…

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This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am".

Not to worry, we’re trying to line her up as a "greeter" at our new flyfishing theme cafe next spring.  Dates and locations to be announced… Cheers, Tony Ritter

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But Tom….what a way to go!!! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’ll go home and get the magazine from my wife this weekend and post whatever information it contains next Monday…  I’m only telling y’all what my wife told me!  If it’s not too long, maybe I’ll post excerpts from the article. Other than that, given a choice between spending the weekend with a model or Lefty Kreh, I’d definitely say I’d have to take Lefty.  That way I’d still be alive when I got home as it might be difficult to flyfish while my wife is shooting at me. Happy New Year! Tom This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John — Thomas Chou International Sensor Technology 3 Whatney Irvine, CA 92618 Ph: 949.452.9316 Fx: 949.452.9009 www.gotgas.com

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Bob,     Its somethig akin to grappling catfish on the Mississippi.  Not a matter of a hook, although a good line doesn’t hurt.  Sometimes its more the line you cast than the bait you use. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -OK, but what size hook should you tie the chocolates onto?  Standard nymph, wide-gape bassin’ hook, ram it onto the post on that funny Partridge parachute hook, or what?  Maybe a dry fly hook, and drown the whole concoction (confection? in Gink?  Inquiring minds…  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Ladies! Feel free to wade in and help us out here! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

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Ladies! Feel free to wade in and help us out here!

Oh, I think you’re doing a splendid job! Okay, here’s a new topic. Hasanyone read that David Leitz murder mystery novel about the model photo shoot at a fly fishing lodge… here it is: _Dying to Fly Fish_? — Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Disclaimer: Pushing 40 and born in Fredericton, NB

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George G: like you – and me? George, dogs chase cars, but they don’t know how to drive. d;0) Dave L.

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JR, The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.  The story goes like this (abbreviated, of course.  This is the story my wife told me she read in a recent mag article about this)…  She made some money modeling when she was younger, invested it well, and took up flyfishing with some other members of her family.  She is the only one who pursued it with a passion, which she still does, while the others gave it up.  She ties her own flies, owns a cabin by a river, she’s rich, and beautiful… and like I’ve said before, I’ve got dibs.  She is currently around 56 years old.  Now that’s a great looking 56 year old lady, don’t you think?! Hope this clears things up. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saw the commercial while watching NYPD Blue.  Sorry guys, but anyone who says his streams in Alberta, N.C., wherever, are crawling with women who look like the model in this commercial, well, no offense, but he lies like a dog.  And her clothes (this all started about her clothes, no?)–well, I’m can’t remember what sort of clothes she had.  Pretty sure, though, that she was wearing clothes. The question is, is this babe a for real fly fisher or not?  The last, long, overhead shot shows a pretty good casting stroke, but this could have been a stand-in.  The stroke in the close-up shots is less convincing.  As for the other obvious questions, I leave those up to the congregation….. JR

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The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.

David Hinner’s post of 12/30/98 credits Pixar Studios with the creative morphing of Lefty Kreh into the "Beaverkill Bombshell". Tom – he *does* have a wonderful sense of humor – but are you *sure* you still want that date? Cheers, Tony Ritter

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The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing. David Hinner’s post of 12/30/98 credits Pixar Studios with the creative morphing of Lefty Kreh into the "Beaverkill Bombshell". Tom – he *does* have a wonderful sense of humor – but are you *sure* you still want that date?

Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie…

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Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie…

Oh come now man, get your priorities straight.  I’d rather spend an "evening" with the model, I’d rather spend the weekend with Lefty. Oh am I in trouble when I get home tonight.  :-) Later,      - Ken

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The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.  The story goes like this (abbreviated, of course.  This is the story my wife told me she read in a recent mag article about this)…

At the risk of spreading disappointment and gloom, I must point out that not everything you read in a magazine, newspaper or book is Gospel Truth– especially stuff about movie stars, models, athletes, business firms, products, politicians….. Agents and PR firms earn their money by cranking out stuff to create interest in their clients and make them look good. vince norris  She made some money modeling when she was – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -younger, invested it well, and took up flyfishing with some other members of her family.  She is the only one who pursued it with a passion, which she still does, while the others gave it up.  She ties her own flies, owns a cabin by a river, she’s rich, and beautiful… and like I’ve said before, I’ve got dibs.  She is currently around 56 years old.  Now that’s a great looking 56 year old lady, don’t you think?! Hope this clears things up. Tom Saw the commercial while watching NYPD Blue.  Sorry guys, but anyone who says his streams in Alberta, N.C., wherever, are crawling with women who look like the model in this commercial, well, no offense, but he lies like a dog.  And her clothes (this all started about her clothes, no?)–well, I’m can’t remember what sort of clothes she had.  Pretty sure, though, that she was wearing clothes. The question is, is this babe a for real fly fisher or not?  The last, long, overhead shot shows a pretty good casting stroke, but this could have been a stand-in.  The stroke in the close-up shots is less convincing.  As for the other obvious questions, I leave those up to the congregation….. JR

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Whoa, Charlie….let’s think this through a little bit.  Sure, I wouldn’t mind an afternoon on-stream with Lefty, but you distinctly said spending an *evening* with the model.  Want to reconsider? Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing. David Hinner’s post of 12/30/98 credits Pixar Studios with the creative morphing of Lefty Kreh into the "Beaverkill Bombshell". Tom – he *does* have a wonderful sense of humor – but are you *sure* you still want that date? Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie…

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JR, The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.  The story goes like this (abbreviated, of course.  This is the story my wife told me she read in a recent mag article about this)…  She made some money modeling when she was younger, invested it well, and took up flyfishing with some other members of her family.  She is the only one who pursued it with a passion, which she still does, while the others gave it up.  She ties her own flies, owns a cabin by a river, she’s rich, and beautiful… and like I’ve said before, I’ve got dibs.  She is currently around 56 years old.  Now that’s a great looking 56 year old lady, don’t you think?! Hope this clears things up. Tom snip

This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bait for what, George?  They want us to buy Estee Lauder products?  OK, I’m going to find some, some…(some what?), I don’t know, some face cream or something, and see if it floats a fly better than Gink. Then I make a fortune, the model falls for me (and all my money), and we live and fish happily ever after.  Drinking Famous Grouse. …Fade out…. The End. (The crowd goes wild.) JR

"They," are the gutem & eatum boys.  THEY, want you to use garden hackle and sinful things like ‘indicators!’ (Perish the Thought!)  Then they want to catch you making out with that doll that’s been all Ginked up like a sweaty latin lover and print those pictures here on ROFF, heaven forbid!  Well, fear not J.R. because here comes Wayno, the barrister of all time to defend you. Naturally, his fee is going to be a case of Famous Grouse and as you sit there in handcuffs at the ROFF Conclave, we are all going to drink every bit of it while you watch.  But, again, fear not!  This Buds’ for you. (This group isn’t THAT cold hearted pal.) ; )  Don’t you just love it here J.R.? We sure enough love you. Happy New Year.  Remember always –  After midnight when you’ve got her all sauced up – ‘gink keeps it up’ oh my gosh, did I say that? whew!  Doesn’t get any better then this. HAPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY New Year J.R.! fade out because I just passed out. — George Gehrke All Writings

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I have a  book  by Henry Van Dyke, entitled " Fishermans Dream", 1906 model with gold trout on the cover. This book is in excellent conditon, what is it worth? and who would buy it? Thanks, Jerry

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I have a  book  by Henry Van Dyke, entitled " Fishermans Dream", 1906 model with gold trout on the cover. This book is in excellent conditon, what is it worth? and who would buy it? Thanks, Jerry

Recheck the title. Sounds like you’re talking about one of the many editions of "Fishermans Luck" (1899) by that author- a $20-$25 (retail) item a few years back when I was into this sort of stuff.                                 Ray

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Several fly fishing books for sale from my collection.  E-Mail me for a listing of books with prices. JWTrout

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

I think they are always in the lower Umpqua.  Denny Hannah used to guide for them when he wasn’t guiding for salmon, steelhead and smallmouth bass.  That river also has a good shad run.  Great fishery – long way off. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

Oh…I thought the post was about strippers in Oregon.

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Hey, I’ve heard striped bass are starting to show up in the surf outside a couple of bays down south.  Is anybody fishing for them from the beach? Dave DeLacey Corvallis, Or.

Hell, as Ken Hanely would say, " Go get ‘em." Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Will be heading to the Bighorn the first week of may.  looking for others experiences this time of year.  Also, heard there may be some type of algee released from the lake this time of year.  Is this true?  Is there an impact on nymphing?  What else can you tell me?

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Will be heading to the Bighorn the first week of may.  looking for others experiences this time of year.  Also, heard there may be some type of algee released from the lake this time of year.  Is this true?  Is there an impact on nymphing?  What else can you tell me?

I recommend you contact Bob Krumm, well know Bighorn guide at and it’s condition at different times of the year. Good luck. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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http://www.execpc.com./~glsfc/fish-wisc.

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there… My fishing is for small fish. Hopefully trout but bass or blugill would be OK. I am going to use a 8 ft. 5 wt. fly rod. I would really like to do only streams as that is what I want to learn. I will have to rent a car there so a hours drive would be just perfect. 2 hours would be pushing it but possible if the reward was there.

Martin:         Let me do a little thinking and map looking and I’ll get back to you. I’m not in that area but know of it and might be able to help. A couple of nice streams suggest themselves right off but I’d rather try to look first and advise later rather than mucking things up the other way around.         You know one of the problems with doing what you are thinking of doing can be best realized by imagining a guy coming to your area and trying to have a good time of it without a scintilla of the hard-won experience you’ve got as to where to go, when, using what equipment, flies, etc., etc. I.e., it might make sense to think about getting a guide if you can swing the dough? Even if only for a 1/2 day (if they go along with same); sometimes they can turn you on to just enough that you can take it from there.         But I’ll get back to you with what I can dig up about the area you’ll be visiting in any case. Tom Burczyk The workings of great institutions is mainly the result of a vast mass of routine, petty malice, self-interest, carelessness, and sheer mistake. Only a residual fraction is thought." Santayana

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Try this site: — http://www.execpc.com/~glsfc/fish_wi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions? Martin:         You might want to indicate what kind of fishing you are interested in. For steelhead/salmon on Lake Michigan’s tribs, or inland? Warmwater or cold? How far you willing to travel? tgb

My fishing is for small fish. Hopefully trout but bass or blugill would be OK. I am going to use a 8 ft. 5 wt. fly rod. I would really like to do only streams as that is what I want to learn. I will have to rent a car there so a hours drive would be just perfect. 2 hours would be pushing it but possible if the reward was there. Thanks for the suggestion.

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions? Martin — Martin Jensen

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I am planning a trip to Mayville WI. sometime in the spring or summer. I want to do a little flyfishing need a little help on where to go in the area. Mayville is due south of Fond du Lac maybe 20 miles and west of Hywy 41 by about 10 or so. I havent been there for 30 years but want to combine a trip to visit relatives with some fishing. I live in Seattle and do mostly lake fishing here and I want to do river or stream fishing back there. Any suggestions?

Martin:         You might want to indicate what kind of fishing you are interested in. For steelhead/salmon on Lake Michigan’s tribs, or inland? Warmwater or cold? How far you willing to travel? tgb

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

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Sorry to be glib on what is supposed to be a serious request, BUT, I just realized that I must have been wearing womens waders all along.  Why else would the zipper be missing from where I need it the most? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands.

Orvis is just one of many manufacturers that makes a women’s wader. If your local shop doesn’t carry them you can always mail order. jackie billings, mt

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

Hi David, Orvis sells excellent women’s waders (both rubber and neoprene).  They aren’t cheap but they’re good.  A quick web search should get you a catalogue (that’s how I got mine). –Margot F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David Hi David, Orvis sells excellent women’s waders (both rubber and neoprene).  They aren’t cheap but they’re good.  A quick web search should get you a catalogue (that’s how I got mine). –Margot F.

LL Bean also offers woman’s waders and custom made waders too.  They are on the web as well. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Orvis is just one of many manufacturers that makes a women’s wader. If your local shop doesn’t carry them you can always mail order.

Someone also once posted the address of a California company called Damselfly which specializes in women’s flyfishing needs. Their number is 1-800-966-4166. I haven’t dealt with them personally, being a double victim of both chronic poverty and the Canadian exchange rate, but I’m willing to bet they’re worth checking out before going to Orvis… — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

Bare, Simms and Orvis have womans neoprene wader. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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 I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been  unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order  dealer and/or any suggestions on brands.

If your wife is what is considered average in size, Damsel Fly should have waders to fit her.  Otherwise, any of the companies that custom make waders is your best bet.  Mine came from StreamLine in Bainbridge, Washington but most good flyshops can order for you and will have the necessary form to get all the measurements right.  I’m not sure if all the manufacturers are making a women’s cut in waders yet but StreamLine does.                         – Jewelee

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Hi, My wife wears Simms Womens neoprene waders and loves them.  She has gotten quite a bit of use out of them.  They are a bit expensive (I don’t know how much wading your wife will be doing), and the pair she has is purple (which just happens to be her favorite color). Actually, the waders appear dark blue in the water. Otherwise, the ORvis womens waders have received good reviews also from a few women I have guided. -paul Paul Williamson Emigrant, MT 59027

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.            

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.

Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S. Bill, A good time to come! If you come before the season closes (Sept. 30th) You have your choice of thousands of "Spots". I’d recommend the Whitewater River Watershed south of Minneapolis, between Rochester and Winona. Stop at the State Park there and ask the naturalists for advise, or at the fly shops in Rochester ("Burger Brothers" for expl) Wisconsin has an overwhelming number of rivers to choose from also. When you buy the WI liscense, you get fabulous pamphlets for directions. I wish MN was as good. They have materials, but they don’t hand them out with the ticket. I live in Duluth, and fall is great for Brookies all over the place. I can catch ‘em right in town, But I like the drive to "Get away" and find some solitude. My favorite is the Brule River in WI. (Boise Brule, officially). It is an honest, naturally reproductive, trout stream. Late Sept. is closing there too. Finally, if your visit is after Sept. 30th, come to Duluth. Steelhead will be running up from Lake Superior. Fall Salmon too. Give me an E-mail if you feel like driving north, I can point out some spots on the map for you. Have fun! Jim Wrobleski

Good info Jim, I would add the Namakogen (sp?) in Northwest WI. Vince

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I may be in the Minneapolis area for a few days some time this fall. Any recommendations for fly fishing within three or four hours of Minneapolis (trout, bass, whatever, as long as it takes a fly)? If I have a choice, what would be the best time to go? Email or post is fine. Thanks in advance. Bill S.  

        I would recommend that you contact Dennis Graupe at the Spring Creek Angler in Coon Valley WI. (608-452-3430). Tell him that John Myers sent you. Note that the WI season closes 9/30/96.                                 j.m.          

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