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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it? — // Dan in Old Town, Maine \

I purchased an L. L. Bean gortex wading jacket with the neoprene cuffs, handwarmer pockets, etc.  several years ago for a trip to Ireland.  I recommend it highly!  The price was not bad and the features are great. Tight Lines, Mike.

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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it? I want to have several options: leak proof sleeve cuffs (neoprene or something) adjustable waist, several pockets on outside and inside, adjustable hood, ability to get into vest inside without opening jacket, hand warming pockets. Does one exist ?? I have seen Cabela’s, LL Bean’s and Streamline’s. What else is out there ? I like Cabela’s price but Bean’s features. What do you say ??

I have a Cabella’s Gore-Tex and it works fine.  I fished for 6 hours in a cold rain in mid may and it kept me completly dry. MikeH

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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it?

Hi Dan, I’ve got the Orvis No-Sweat Wading jacket and I like it!  It’s made out of the same stuff the Orvis No-Sweat waders are.  The outer fabric is brushed microfiber, the inside is mesh.  Comes in a sage green color.   The hood is adjustable for length, allows peripheral vision, has a good bill, allows you to tighten it up close or loosen it and the hood turns when you turn.  No more looking into the side of the hood when you turn your head. It has adjustable wrist seals and a drawstring waist that you can tighten from inside the hand-warmer pockets which are located behind the two large outer pockets.  D-ring on back for your net.  The whole jacket will stuff into the front right pocket.  Hang it up, or put it right on, and the wrinkles fall right out of it in a few minutes. I used it in the salt for the first time about two weeks ago and it worked great. Hiked around a bunch in it and stayed comfy.   I did get wet inside the jacket once because I didn’t seal the waist with the drawstring and a wave hit me and scooted up the inside (brrrrr).  Only did that once, learned my leasson real quick.   Real happy with it so far.  Price is $195, though the Orvis company stores have it on sale right now for ~ $156.  Don’t know how long that lower price will be good – real unusual to have Orvis fishing equipment on sale this time of year.                                     Hope this helps,                                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it? I want to have several options: leak proof sleeve cuffs (neoprene or something) adjustable waist, several pockets on outside and inside, adjustable hood, ability to get into vest inside without opening jacket, hand warming pockets. Does one exist ?? I have seen Cabela’s, LL Bean’s and Streamline’s. What else is out there ? I like Cabela’s price but Bean’s features. What do you say ?? — // Dan in Old Town, Maine \

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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it? I want to have several options: leak proof sleeve cuffs (neoprene or something) adjustable waist, several pockets on outside and inside, adjustable hood, ability to get into vest inside without opening jacket, hand warming pockets. Does one exist ?? I have seen Cabela’s, LL Bean’s and Streamline’s. What else is out there ? I like Cabela’s price but Bean’s features. What do you say ?? — // Dan in Old Town, Maine \

I’ve been wearing the Streamline and I’m relatively pleased with it. The fit is good, front pockets could be a little higher, hood is good, and is cut large enough for casting, stretching, etc. — Best regards, Dave Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides Home Page http://www.olfart.com

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I love Filson stuff It will last you a life time of that I’m sure. yes it would be some what heavy, I would like to have a Filson if I was fishing in alot of brush you would be hard pressed to tear it. I wouldn’t think a lite weight jacket would live up to much over time. Now I do know a guy that has both one a Filson and a Simms gortex, The lite weight one will pack up in to a smaller size. As for the one that will work for you I’m sure that will depend on how and where you fish. For me it would be the Filson If I’m going to spend that much for a jacket I want it to last. Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them. — Tim Apple

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I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them. — Tim Apple

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I don’t have either of the wading jackets that you mentioned, but I can attest to the quality of the Filson product line. I have a couple of their luggage bags and I extensively use their rod and reel travel bag. I carry three reels, two fly boxes and two rod tubes in the travel bag all of the time. I have never had a problem with the Filson products in the years that I’ve used them. Now that you’ve remined me that they have a wading jacket, I have something to put on my wish list from Santa. Ryan -who lives a few miles from their factory in Seattle.

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I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them.

I’ve got the Filson jacket and it’s as Ryan says below — their stuff is pretty much bulletproof. However, you should also keep in mind that their gear kicks it old-school (as flyfishing rappers like to say). Which is to say that even though their wading jacket is very tough and pretty much impregnable to rain, it breathes about as well as Darth Vader. You’ll end up sweating a lot and then getting chilled because of it since the sweat has nowhere to go. That’s my experience anyway. Keeping it real, – Sid

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I like filson stuff, but it tends to be heavy…I’ve abandoned my Filson vest for a Simms vest I’m much happier with…for camping though, I use their tin pants and an oil cloth jacket as well and I love them.  If I were buying a wading jacket today, I would go light-weight. Eugene Knapik Toronto

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them. I’ve got the Filson jacket and it’s as Ryan says below — their stuff is pretty much bulletproof. However, you should also keep in mind that their gear kicks it old-school (as flyfishing rappers like to say). Which is to say that even though their wading jacket is very tough and pretty much impregnable to rain, it breathes about as well as Darth Vader. You’ll end up sweating a lot and then getting chilled because of it since the sweat has nowhere to go. That’s my experience anyway. Keeping it real, – Sid

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Hi, I have a Filson Cruiser which I have bought sometime in the late 1960’s. Based on my experience with the wool jacket, a great product, I later bought a Filson fishing hat.  The hat however was totally unacceptable and I threw it out.  It was made of oiled canvas and I found it to be much too heavy and much too hot.  I am not familiar with the wading jacket but if it is made of the same material, I would think twice about buying it. Best regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them. — Tim Apple

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speechless. I am going to take that statement with a huge pile of salt. I have never seen the time a trial lawyer was speechless.

Hm…..now that you mention it Dale, speechless and incoherent really AREN’T synonymous, are they?   Don’t let this get around, you do have a reputation to maintain.

And we aim to do all the maintenance required. Wayno:Looking forward to seeing you in about a week.

Ditto, in spades. Big Dale

You too Dale. Wolfgang

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Much appreciated Vincent.Maybe I’ll try one on the Housatonic, Columbus day.I’ll definitely bring a few of those litle Olive thingamajigs as well. Regards,Flypaint(Shawn) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn) Hook:      Mustad 94833, sizes 10 – 18 Thread:    Red Tails:       Brown hackle fibers Body:      Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around shank, with                a "belt" of red thread, like a Royal Coachman Wings:    White impala or calf tail, divided Hackle:    Brown from Meck’s _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, pp.  197-8. vince norris

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…..Asadi stayed until Monday morning.  I wonder if he ever found the Home for Wayward Amish girls?…..

Um…….guys…….it’s a painful memory and I don’t like to dredge it up but I seen Asadi take a shower on the shore of Lake Wolfgang gotta go now…..gotta wash out my brain

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Um…….guys…….it’s a painful memory and I don’t like to dredge it up but I seen Asadi take a shower on the shore of Lake Wolfgang gotta go now…..gotta wash out my brain

Aggggh!  Good lord, now ya gone and done it.  I’ll have nightmares for weeks. Natty

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Natty was on a mission Sunday morning,and I hope he picked up a couple of nice fish before he left and thanks again for inviting me to the inn.

Only managed one small brown on a trico that DavePA gave me just before his departure.  Weirdest thing…the trico hatch was confined to a 20-30 yard stretch of the river.  Either side of that, nothing but the size 72 cream midges. Glad you could make it Shawn…had a great time.  Sorry about the buzzsaw. Things that stand out: a lot of talk about farm-women and personal flotation devices,amish co-eds,sounds that are like snoring(leaf blowers,lawn mowers,outboard engines

etc.),newborns,small fish on big flies,and Jack Daniels.Some much needed comic relief, thanks again fellas. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)

Asadi stayed until Monday morning.  I wonder if he ever found the Home for Wayward Amish girls?  It really was a laugh. Natty

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speechless.  

I am going to take that statement with a huge pile of salt. I have never seen the time a trial lawyer was speechless. Don’t let this get around, you do have a reputation to maintain. Wayno:Looking forward to seeing you in about a week. Big Dale

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I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)

Hook:      Mustad 94833, sizes 10 – 18 Thread:    Red Tails:       Brown hackle fibers Body:      Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around shank, with                a "belt" of red thread, like a Royal Coachman Wings:    White impala or calf tail, divided Hackle:    Brown from Meck’s _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, pp.  197-8. vince norris

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Shawn,   It was great meeting you, glad you got a chance to fish after that tire debacle on Saturday.                                   Tom

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@mb-mj.aol.com: Nice report Tom. I’m looking forward to next spring. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

As am I.  I would love to do one of these fall trips (especially Dave L’s), but Fall is my big teaching semester. Scott

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Hey All,   I’m glad I was finally able to make it to a ROFF gathering ,even if it was only a mini one.I’m looking forward to the May, Penns gathering even if I can only make it for a three day weekend.Nice bunch of guys to hang out and fish with.Asadi wins the hospitality award hands down(and biggest rock bass).I picked up a lot of good tips watching these fellows fish and Tom might be interested to know that I dug around in my box until I found a small olive whatchamacall it and grabbed a nice brown just below the riffle at the end of tunnel road.I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is.(is the pattern posted anywhere?)Natty was on a mission Sunday morning,and I hope he picked up a couple of nice fish before he left and thanks again for inviting me to the inn.Things that stand out: a lot of talk about farm-women and personal flotation devices,amish co-eds,sounds that are like snoring(leaf blowers,lawn mowers,outboard engines etc.),newborns,small fish on big flies,and Jack Daniels.Some much needed comic relief, thanks again fellas. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)

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. We ended the day with an enchilada dinner, courtesy of John B. Drank an assortment of wonderful beers, and some of Johns Budweiser as well.

        good god.  asadi drinks *budweiser*?  i am rendered speechless.           it’s somewhat akin to discovering that mahatma gandhi spent his spare time reading superman comics. wayno, crestfallen in the old north state

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Nice report Tom. I’m looking forward to next spring. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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wayno notes: good god.  asadi drinks *budweiser*?  i am rendered speechless.  

he doesn’t actually drink it, that I noticed. Just tries to foist it onto the unsuspecting. Also, it comes in handy after DavePA comes over and blows through the Bass Ale supply.                               Tom

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Yeungling!  John, you’re in PA, gotta drink Yeungling.  My God man, have you no shame? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno notes: good god.  asadi drinks *budweiser*?  i am rendered speechless. he doesn’t actually drink it, that I noticed. Just tries to foist it onto the unsuspecting. Also, it comes in handy after DavePA comes over and blows through the Bass Ale supply.                               Tom

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   Well folks, a small, but noble, crew showed up at Coburn, PA this weekend. First to arrive(on Thursday), were John Baker(asadi), Mike Pitch(natty b),Mike Shaw(handyman) and Shawn ?(flypaint). Fishing was said to be fair, but will allow them the details at some later date.    Friday brought the rest of the arrivals, DavePA and friend Jeff, Allan Epps, with spouse and dog. The latter crew, I had never met. They proved to be pleasant and seemed to like the locale. The fishing Friday was quite good. Water levels were lower than May’s by a good foot or two. It was a great opportunity to study the underwater layout of the place. Hatches consisted of: Blue Quills, Little Olives, a couple types of craneflies, some decent caddis of a couple types and a smattering of Slate Drakes. These were accompanied by a virtual snowstorm of pale midges, roughly in a size 52, were one to attempt a size match. At any rate, I found success by throwing a pair of very small wet flies to visible feeders. The fly to use for this proved to be a #18 olive wet fly. This pattern took 11 of my trout over the weekend, my best producer. By contrast, Mike Shaw was taking a equal number of opportunistic risers with a #12 Patriot, for whatever reason. Success seemed largely due to the fact that Mike is steadily improving his cast placement, and was sending the things right to the fish properly. Others reported varying success. We ended the day with an enchilada dinner, courtesy of John B. Drank an assortment of wonderful beers, and some of Johns Budweiser as well. Dave took pictures of the assembly which I hope he posts someplace. Well, he can leave out the facial closeup of me in which I looked like I was on the back end of a two week drunk.   Saturday, the fishing proved tougher, but most caught fish, generally on the small stuff. I did manage a couple of Browns on Dun Variants during a short burst of drakes. A chilly, breezy day, it was nonetheless beautiful in Penns Valley, with numerous bird sighting, mink running about. No bears seen. Dinner was at the Millheim, in the bar, over copious amounts of Yeungling Lager.   Sunday started out foggy, due to the Yeungling, no doubt. Actually, it was clear, and cold. Air temp of 36 at 7 am. After a quick talk with campground owners, and a fine breakfast with John, I joined Mike Shaw below Elk Creek to fish some pocket water with nymphs. Shawn checked in, having taken the largest fish of the weekend(a 17 incher) very early am with a Black Wooly bugger. Winds made for tough work nymphing, so we decided to depart and give the fish a break. The rest of the crew were either packing to go or fishing upstream. It was truly great to see you all, and will help whet the appetite until the May Clave.                                                         Tom

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Hi I going from Denmark/Europe to Vancouver BC/Canda for a Computer conference 9-12th of october and I’m looking for the possibility for one or two persons to go for 2-5 days of fishing mainly fly fishing between 13-20th. of october, any [adfordable] hints ? Siimvej 20 8680 Ry Denmark

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Steffen, Call or write Fred, I guarantee good fishing and a good time. Helmer, Fred E-mail Address(es): Business Information:   Company: Fred’s Custom Tackle & Fishing Adventures   Address:     Unit 1- 5880 Vedder Rd..     Chilliwack BC V2R 5P4   Phone: 604-858-7344 Fred deals with a great many European clients. — See our Sharks at the Mandalay Bay Casino in Las Vegas!!!! <*))))< Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ spam block x – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I going from Denmark/Europe to Vancouver BC/Canda for a Computer conference 9-12th of october and I’m looking for the possibility for one or two persons to go for 2-5 days of fishing mainly fly fishing between 13-20th. of october, any [adfordable] hints ? Siimvej 20 8680 Ry Denmark

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http://www.guidebc.com/ Vic Carrao is one of the best,most reasonable guides in the Fraser Valley. Also ask about Sturgeon fishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steffen, Call or write Fred, I guarantee good fishing and a good time. Helmer, Fred E-mail Address(es): Business Information:   Company: Fred’s Custom Tackle & Fishing Adventures   Address:     Unit 1- 5880 Vedder Rd..     Chilliwack BC V2R 5P4   Phone: 604-858-7344 Fred deals with a great many European clients. — See our Sharks at the Mandalay Bay Casino in Las Vegas!!!! <*))))< Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ spam block x Hi I going from Denmark/Europe to Vancouver BC/Canda for a Computer conference 9-12th of october and I’m looking for the possibility for one or two persons to go for 2-5 days of fishing mainly fly fishing between 13-20th. of october, any [adfordable] hints ? Siimvej 20 8680 Ry Denmark

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I am going to try my hand at some Salmon fishing this year.  A friend of mine recommended that I get some running line for my reel.  He says that you can split in in half and make two running lines.  Questions:  1) Is this true?  2) What are the properties of a running line and what makes it different than other conventional fly lines? 3) Reputable brands?  Thank you in advance.

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I am going to try my hand at some Salmon fishing this year.  A friend of mine recommended that I get some running line for my reel.  He says that you can split in in half and make two running lines.  Questions:  1) Is this true?  2) What are the properties of a running line and what makes it different than other conventional fly lines? 3) Reputable brands?  Thank you

Your friend may have meant to recommend backing, e.g. 30 lb. test braided dacron, to fill up the fly reel under the fly line.  This is needed for strong fish like salmon which may take out more line than the 30-35 yards of the fly line. "Running line" used to be sold by Scientific Anglers (perhaps still is) and was a thin level fly line (0.029 inches diameter) used by people who liked to splice their own tapers, e.g. with a shooting head.  (British reservoir anglers used to use heavy mono for both backing and running line.  Perhaps 20 years ago British mono curled less than American.) — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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…so walt, that explains why you were so easily hooked, eh??

doncha be callin’ me a fish, jeff. genetically-impaired….no problemo, but fish, no way. well, walt, some of us need a bit of a challenge ya know…those tight loops and free casts you throw are just way too easy…and, anybody can tie a knot with their hands (btw, that was a surgeon’s loop you witnessed me create in the air) …i need me some trees, rocks, and fishin buddies to carom my flies off… seems only sportin. how to explain it???  karma, man, pure karma… jeff (applying the billiards zen theory to ff)

as rene (georgie’s honey-bun from rap) once said here at roff… "oh, it’s a zen thingy". on a more serious note….i hope you guy’s aren’t getting pounded with rain again. waldo

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hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… i can personally vouch for jeff’s innate ability to catch anything but the occasional genetically-impaired fish….

…so walt, that explains why you were so easily hooked, eh?? he actually caught a fish after yanking the fly out of a tree….put the darndest "wind" knot in the line i’ve ever seen. the fly landed on the water…hookset, and wallah… biggest fish of the day. i’m not gonna even try and explain it…i wouldn’t even know how.

well, walt, some of us need a bit of a challenge ya know…those tight loops and free casts you throw are just way too easy…and, anybody can tie a knot with their hands (btw, that was a surgeon’s loop you witnessed me create in the air) …i need me some trees, rocks, and fishin buddies to carom my flies off… seems only sportin. how to explain it???  karma, man, pure karma… jeff (applying the billiards zen theory to ff) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… jeff (holder of the state record for leaf-fish)

i can personally vouch for jeff’s innate ability to catch anything but the occasional genetically-impaired fish….hell, he even hooked my arm and i thought i was safe behind that boulder. damndest thing…he actually caught a fish after yanking the fly out of a tree….put the darndest "wind" knot in the line i’ve ever seen. the fly landed on the water…hookset, and wallah… biggest fish of the day. i’m not gonna even try and explain it…i wouldn’t even know how. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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,,,<snipped some stuff… I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Thanks again Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

hate to hear you’ve lost the knack, so…out of pure, gawldang southern empathy, anytime you can make yer way to north carolina i’d be honored to help you re-instill the fine art of tree catchin…i excel in the skill… jeff (holder of the state record for leaf-fish)

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Tony, I tied a few of Andre Puyans Loop Wing’s and they seemed to hold up just fine.  I didn’t notice any improvement in catching fish Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2.

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I remember reading an article by John Veniard on the Andre Puyans Loop Wing Dun in ‘Trout & Salmon’ back in the early 70s. The piece was reproduced in ‘Modern Fly-Tying Techniques’, by John Veniard and Donald Downs. At the time, I never had the confidence that those loop wings would hold up for any distance with me: I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Tony Deacon

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Not knockin’ your knowledge of the G&H Sedge Tony, but truth be known, it was ACTUALLY a threesome that developed this fly. The pattern was thought up as a collaboration by three tyers and fishermen, one who didn’t want any credit for his part in developing the fly, a guy named Andre Puyans…

(interesting history snipped) I’m indebted to you Larry. I didn’t know that Andre Puyans had a hand in the G&H. Credit where it’s due! I have at least a nodding acquaintance with John Goddard. He was very good about providing me with articles, at short notice sometimes, when I edited the quarterly magazine of the Fly Dressers’ Guild a few years back. He has probably forgotten more about angling than most of us will every know. Very dry sense of humour. Now, if only Andy can get full credit for his Loop Wing Dun and his line of AP Nymphs, among other flies he’s developed over the years…

I remember reading an article by John Veniard on the Andre Puyans Loop Wing Dun in ‘Trout & Salmon’ back in the early 70s. The piece was reproduced in ‘Modern Fly-Tying Techniques’, by John Veniard and Donald Downs. At the time, I never had the confidence that those loop wings would hold up for any distance with me: I was a really expert tree catcher in those days -lost the knack a bit since. Thanks again Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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it thick, the thicker the better

CarefulDave.I am not one of them, but you should see how one of the members of The Roadkill Roundtable packs deer hair…If I had not watched Bruce pack it I could have sworn it was balsa wood. Big Dale  

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Darin Minor writes:

<<I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Hook:  Dry fly Thread:  Gray or black Body:  Natural deer hair, spun and trimmed into the whap of a           wing adult caddisfly Antennae:  Two stems of a brown hack with the barbs stripped. Hackle:  Brown. The original recipe called for a small piece of bright green fur (or dubbing) spun in at the back as a first step and then pulled forward and tied off as a final step.  However, I have never seen one tied with this option. If you hate to spin deer hair, this ain’t the pattern for you.  Pack it thick, the thicker the better. Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Darin Minor writes: <<I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Hook:  Dry fly Thread:  Gray or black Body:  Natural deer hair, spun and trimmed into the whap of a           wing adult caddisfly Antennae:  Two stems of a brown hack with the barbs stripped. Hackle:  Brown. The original recipe called for a small piece of bright green fur (or dubbing) spun in at the back as a first step and then pulled forward and tied off as a final step.  However, I have never seen one tied with this option. If you hate to spin deer hair, this ain’t the pattern for you.  Pack it thick, the thicker the better. Dave LaCourse

Thanks for posting the pattern Dave. Darin

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Tony Deacon writes:

(snip for brevity) <<May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Thank you for the history lesson, Tony.  I am a great afcionado of the Goddard Caddis.  I fish it almost exclusively on some rivers.  I tie is down to a size 18, but 16s and 14s are used most.  Because of its bouyancy, it is a great fly to skitter.  It will be tough to call it the G&H Sedge, but I will give it a try.  <g  And, of course, when folks question me I will have to give *them* a history lesson. Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The pattern popularly known as the ‘Goddard Caddis’ was originally called the ‘G&H Sedge’ and was a collaboration between John Goddard and the late Cliff Henry. I share the belief with many that the G&H is one of the truly great dry fly designs of all time. Because it is positively buoyant, even without proofing, one can fish it on a pitch black night with absolute confidence that it is still on the surface. It has caught me literally hundreds of brown and rainbow trout and many dozens of sea trout, fished as a ‘wake’ fly on the blackest of nights. May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

I’ve been looking for the pattern for this fly for some time. Could somebody please post it for me? Thanks in advance, Darin

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Not knockin’ your knowledge of the G&H Sedge Tony, but truth be known, it was ACTUALLY a threesome that developed this fly. The pattern was thought up as a collaboration by three tyers and fishermen, one who didn’t want any credit for his part in developing the fly, a guy named Andre Puyans.  Andy was sitting with John and Cliff one of the nights they were developing this fly and actually came up with the idea of the spun and clipped hair.  Story is by the time they had the "final product" tied, they were all in quite a drunken stupor and were quite pleased with their efforts, but didn’t really know what they came up with until the next morning when they were sober!! One of the features of the patten that has seemed to vanish into the dust is the spun fur dubbing strip of green hare (or originally seal) that was left hanging from the rear of the hook until the fly was completed, then pulled forward under the belly before tying in the antennae and hackling the fly. Another tip I shared with someone earlier today was to make the fly have a more "mottled" appearance like sedges naturally do, blend caribou and antelope along with deer to get the "blotchy" colors that are seen in a sedge’s wings.  The antennae are optional, but sure look nice on the finished fly….stripped coachman brown hackle quills are my favorite, but moose looks nice too.  Tie in the hackle quills just forward of the finished and trimmed body by the butts, leaving the tips on the hackles, then trim them after hackling the fly. Andy ties this patten at demos he does at some shows and tells the story, giving FULL CREDIT to both John Goddard and Cliff Henry when he does…and he says "It’s known now as the Goddard Caddis, but the TRUE name of the fly is the G&H Sedge" Larry #:)# Now, if only Andy can get full credit for his Loop Wing Dun and his line of AP Nymphs, among other flies he’s developed over the years…

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The pattern popularly known as the ‘Goddard Caddis’ was originally called the ‘G&H Sedge’ and was a collaboration between John Goddard and the late Cliff Henry. I share the belief with many that the G&H is one of the truly great dry fly designs of all time. Because it is positively buoyant, even without proofing, one can fish it on a pitch black night with absolute confidence that it is still on the surface. It has caught me literally hundreds of brown and rainbow trout and many dozens of sea trout, fished as a ‘wake’ fly on the blackest of nights. May I make the plea that Cliff Henry is remembered and given the credit he is due by using the original name: the ‘G&H Sedge’? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the area.

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(EVANV) writes: Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the

area. Lots of worthwhile fishing opportunities in the area. Plenty of wadeable tidal pools in the bay, bayous, and sound where good shots at redfish and speckled trout can be had.There’s an Orvis Store in Destin (my credit card statement says Blue Bay Outfitters, but I thought it was called something else, oh well it’s there ) Also good fishing in the gulf and in nearby fresh water rivers and ponds. And if you’re lucky, I onced hooked a small tarpon there while casting to redfish though I understand that is a rare occurence. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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I inquired at the local Orvis shop (Destin) and was very satisfied with the

Well I’ll be…another good spot for information is Half Hitch tackle. me where I could wade for redfish, speckled trout and pompano. He also said

Although that area still has a bit more net-ban-poaching than other areas there seem to be more fish when I was dock fishing over Thanksgiving. Let me put this way, I caught the first redfish I had caught from the location in about 15 years.  A couple of places to wade are the sound at the Brooks bridge going into FWB.  There are a nice set of grass beds on the FWB side of the sound between the bridge and to the point to the east side of the bridge (ie the side opening to the bay). Heading toward Destin from FWB, just before the bridge to Destin on the left is the Coast Guard Station.  In front of the Coast Guard Station is a decent size sand flat.  In March there might be some spanish moving through (ask at the Half Hitch). Some folks try across the road from the Coast Guard Station on the gulf side of the island and back toward FWB.  You will see a spot to park very near the beach about 1/4 mile before the Destin bridge. One other place that I have never tried, but it is a large sand flat now is on the bay side of the island about half way between FWB and Destin. there were some very nice bluefish off the east jetty. It can be accessed by

At tide change the jetty can be rather good from what I have seen the few times that I have been there.  You can get to either jetty and the walk to the end of the west jetty takes about 30 minutes.  You can also "try" to fish the eddy in the pass on that side as well. Cheers, Mike — Mike Marler                          Information Technology, Georgia Tech

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I spend a fair amount of time in that area, and although I have never fished there I plan to in the future. When I was there over the Christmas holidays I inquired at the local Orvis shop (Destin) and was very satisfied with the info I got. I do not recall the name of the owner, but he was able to tell me where I could wade for redfish, speckled trout and pompano. He also said there were some very nice bluefish off the east jetty. It can be accessed by foot or boat(better). I got some additional info from a sporting goods store named Sockeyes. I would recommend contacting both before going. I was very disappointed after talking to them that I had not come prepared to fish. If you want to travel a few miles (30 or so) to the east past Panama City you can go to St. Joseph Bay. There is excellent fishing there. I also understand there is a tarpon fishery there. If you decide to use a guide and have any desire to split a trip, I would be interested. It is only a few hours from New Orleans and I am always looking for an opportunity to fish. Best of luck. Does anyone know if there is any worthwhile flyfishing in the area.  I will be there late March and am wondering if there are any opportunities in the

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Bruce: Hey, you don’t have to rub our USA noses in it, do you?  Seriously, thanks for an informative post.  Of course, do you realize you just ruined your fishing? Now your area will become a dreaded "destination fishery", bringing yuppie Yankees crawling all over your fishing waters.  Articles will appear in fishing magazines, rods will be named after your favorite rivers, and if you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmmm, humble Aussie here, and after reading numerous articles from the newsgroups I’ve gotta say you have to get down into the Southern Hemisphere. Where I live in Horsham in Western Victoria, down south in case you didn’t know, I have world class lake fishing virtually at my doorstep. Twenty minutes in one direction takes me to Lake Toolondo, home of sensational brown trout, and 30 minutes in the other direction takes me to Lake Fyans where I landed a lovely little rainbow on Sunday night. Lovely start to the working week, I must say. Seriously, without being flippant, I had no idea how lucky I was as far as my fly fishing goes until I started to read articles from the newsgroup. I don’t have to plan fishing trips. Mates simply call during the day, ask what I’m doing later and whether I’d like to go fishing. We pack our gear into the car and we’re there in no more than half an hour. And that’s to get to the best waters. There are plenty as close as 10 minutes away which produce browns to 5lb on a good day. If anyone’s considering an Aussie holiday, you could do worse than to visit from September through to March. Hope you like it hot, though. Regards, Bruce L.

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Mark Faulkner you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) The Subaru already has the "Outback".   Dave LaCourse

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Mark Faulkner you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) The Subaru already has the "Outback". Dave LaCourse

Jeez, how could I forget that.  Mark Faulkner

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Bruce: Hey, you don’t have to rub our USA noses in it, do you?  Seriously, thanks for an informative post.  Of course, do you realize you just ruined your fishing? Now your area will become a dreaded "destination fishery", bringing yuppie Yankees crawling all over your fishing waters.  Articles will appear in fishing magazines, rods will be named after your favorite rivers, and if you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) Mark Faulkner

Don’t worry about it Mark, Rex Hunt will probably be there, and he will keep the tourists away! Regards, — Bill

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Someone posted a really nice list of web sites for flyfishing within the last week, but I inadvertantly deleted it.  Could you be so kind as to re-post it?

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Try http://www.eaglenet.com/PaxP/mstrs/fishing.html

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I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE.

Maybe if you weren’t YELLING at them, they would have been a little more  friendly. Tip: Eliminate drag. When I take less experienced people there, that is usually the biggest problem I have in getting them to catch fish. You need to mend a lot. That’s one of the reasons you see the people in boats catching more fish (there are other reasons). From a boat, you are higher up, and it is easier to eliminate the drag. Plus, the guide will assist you in this process. Using a longer rod will also help, as you can get a more vertical presentation, but it really takes experience to see and understand this drag thing. Good luck, Bill Schudlich Santa Fe, NM

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I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. Maybe if you weren’t YELLING at them, they would have been a little more  friendly. Tip: Eliminate drag.

Are you saying that I should leave my bra in the blazer ? Or just wear it on the inside of my vest ? TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ON LABOR DAY I WAS PRIVILEGED TO FISH THE SAN JUAN RIVER. I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED FLY RODDER BUT AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. EVERY PERSON AROUND ME WAS CATCHING HUGE FISH, JUST LIKE I READ ABOUT. AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING AFTER TRYING ALL DAY I FINALLY HOOKED A 5 LB RAINBOW. WHAT A THRILL. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS WILLING TO SHARE THIER METHOD FOR CATCHING THESE FINE FISH? I’M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DAY OF FRUSTRATION. THE TROUT WERE FEEDING VORACIOUSLY ON EMERGERS AND I FELT THAT MY PRESENTATION WASN’T CORRECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. EVEN A GUIDE REFERRAL WOULD HELP ON MY NEXT JOURNEY…JOHN Hi John It would be my guess that you were in a situation where "drag" was causing your fly to not act like a natural insect.  Drag happens when the various currents grab your fly line and leader consequently pulling the fly accross the current.  You will need to learn a little about reading the water, what the water does to your fly line & fly, and how to mend to compensate for the waters action on your line. As a guide here in Montana getting inexperienced people to recognize drag is a major part of my job.  Explaining it in person can be a challenge, trying to do so over the net is almost impossible.  I suggest you get with your local fly shop and arrange for lessons on reading the water and how to get a "drag free float."  OR you could join a local fly fishing club and learn from a new friend.  Call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 for information on a club near you. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

EXCELLENT ADVICE! George

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ON LABOR DAY I WAS PRIVILEGED TO FISH THE SAN JUAN RIVER. I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED FLY RODDER BUT AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. EVERY PERSON AROUND ME WAS CATCHING HUGE FISH, JUST LIKE I READ ABOUT. AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING AFTER TRYING ALL DAY I FINALLY HOOKED A 5 LB RAINBOW. WHAT A THRILL. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS WILLING TO SHARE THIER METHOD FOR CATCHING THESE FINE FISH? I’M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DAY OF FRUSTRATION. THE TROUT WERE FEEDING VORACIOUSLY ON EMERGERS AND I FELT THAT MY PRESENTATION WASN’T CORRECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. EVEN A GUIDE REFERRAL WOULD HELP ON MY NEXT JOURNEY…JOHN

Hi John It would be my guess that you were in a situation where "drag" was causing your fly to not act like a natural insect.  Drag happens when the various currents grab your fly line and leader consequently pulling the fly accross the current.  You will need to learn a little about reading the water, what the water does to your fly line & fly, and how to mend to compensate for the waters action on your line. As a guide here in Montana getting inexperienced people to recognize drag is a major part of my job.  Explaining it in person can be a challenge, trying to do so over the net is almost impossible.  I suggest you get with your local fly shop and arrange for lessons on reading the water and how to get a "drag free float."  OR you could join a local fly fishing club and learn from a new friend.  Call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 for information on a club near you. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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ON LABOR DAY I WAS PRIVILEGED TO FISH THE SAN JUAN RIVER. I AM NOT AN EXPERIENCED FLY RODDER BUT AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE SNOBBY ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHOM I ASKED FOR HELP AND ADVICE. EVERY PERSON AROUND ME WAS CATCHING HUGE FISH, JUST LIKE I READ ABOUT. AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING AFTER TRYING ALL DAY I FINALLY HOOKED A 5 LB RAINBOW. WHAT A THRILL. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS WILLING TO SHARE THIER METHOD FOR CATCHING THESE FINE FISH? I’M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE MY DAY OF FRUSTRATION. THE TROUT WERE FEEDING VORACIOUSLY ON EMERGERS AND I FELT THAT MY PRESENTATION WASN’T CORRECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. EVEN A GUIDE REFERRAL WOULD HELP ON MY NEXT JOURNEY…JOHN

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -All I Need T Know About Life I learned From Fishing * There is no such thing as too much equipment. *  When in doubt, exaggerate. * If it feels good, it’s fishing. * Everyone has a story about the one that got away. * It’s good to be at the top of the food chain. * Even the best lines get weak after they’ve been used a few times. *  Sometimes you’ve really got to squirm to get off the hook. * Cast everything in the best light possible. * Keep one eye on your bobber at all times. * Get reel! * Life is a stream of conciousness thing. * Take time to smell the fishes. * I fish, therefore I am. * The way to a fisherman’s heart is through his fly. * A fishing line has a hook at one end and an optimist at the other. * Fish always start to grow after they get away. * Life is a can of worms. * The fishing is always better on the other side of the lake. Good things come to those who wade. * When the going gets tough, the tough go fishing. My mom picked this list up for me at Fred Meyers for $6. It has a matte, and I’m working on getting it framed to hang in the bedroom. Just thought you’d all enjoy it, I know I did.

how about…happiness is a wet pole that smells like fish? sorry, couldn’t help it.<g stev – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Arklier Firsty is the best!

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All I Need T Know About Life I learned From Fishing * There is no such thing as too much equipment. *  When in doubt, exaggerate. * If it feels good, it’s fishing. * Everyone has a story about the one that got away. * It’s good to be at the top of the food chain. * Even the best lines get weak after they’ve been used a few times. *  Sometimes you’ve really got to squirm to get off the hook. * Cast everything in the best light possible. * Keep one eye on your bobber at all times. * Get reel! * Life is a stream of conciousness thing. * Take time to smell the fishes. * I fish, therefore I am. * The way to a fisherman’s heart is through his fly. * A fishing line has a hook at one end and an optimist at the other. * Fish always start to grow after they get away. * Life is a can of worms. * The fishing is always better on the other side of the lake. Good things come to those who wade. * When the going gets tough, the tough go fishing. My mom picked this list up for me at Fred Meyers for $6. It has a matte, and I’m working on getting it framed to hang in the bedroom. Just thought you’d all enjoy it, I know I did. Arklier Firsty is the best!

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