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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dad and Charlie have developed a lovely new habit. It seems that Charlie likes to curl up around Dad’s head when he goes to sleep. So when Dad wakes up, he is likely to wake up with a cat literally on his head. So sweet. You think. How adorable. I wish my cat would be that cuddly, you wish. THEN…Charlie lets go of one of his trademark silent releases of gas. Now, don’t get me wrong, this is one of the sweetest cats going, but that cat is rotten inside. When he releases gas, it can make the entire room toxic. So imagine Dad’s delight when he is laying there and Charlie is so very close to he smelly parts. Dad says it is enough to make him cry sometimes. As long as Charlie keeps his farts to himself, as my father says it, it feels all cuddly wuddly. Otherwise he wonders if he is part of some chemical warfare. Thought I would share. And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t. That cat can clear me out of a room! Bridget

LOL! Thank you for that Bridget. I hope you and your Dad have a lovely day. Jeanette

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It seems Charlie and Marble are related. I reckon that in the case of Marble, he has several dead mice stuck up his rear end, festering away which cause the smell. I’m expecting the military to be "adopting" Marble for extract of cat fart to be the next generation nerve gas ;-P Festive cheers, helen s Flush out that intestinal parasite and/or the waste product before sending a reply! Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd

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Thought I would share. And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t. That cat can

clear me out of a room! Bridget

But can he clear your sinuses? Suz Iron Chef Macmoosette Thank Heavens There’s Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= Chocolate heals all wounds.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dad and Charlie have developed a lovely new habit. It seems that Charlie likes to curl up around Dad’s head when he goes to sleep. So when Dad wakes up, he is likely to wake up with a cat literally on his head. So sweet. You think. How adorable. I wish my cat would be that cuddly, you wish. THEN…Charlie lets go of one of his trademark silent releases of gas. Now, don’t get me wrong, this is one of the sweetest cats going, but that cat is rotten inside. When he releases gas, it can make the entire room toxic. So imagine Dad’s delight when he is laying there and Charlie is so very close to he smelly parts. Dad says it is enough to make him cry sometimes. As long as Charlie keeps his farts to himself, as my father says it, it feels all cuddly wuddly. Otherwise he wonders if he is part of some chemical warfare. Thought I would share. And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t. That cat can clear me out of a room! Bridget

I am writting this in haste for if her ladyship Penny found out I would be resting in pieces. Penny is a wonderful cuddly and sweet siamese cat but eeeps. When she breaks wind RUN and I mean RUN away fast. I have talked to the TED and he siad there is nothing worng with her and gave me something to see if it would help, Also Sammy and Penny eat almost the same food so its definitely not the food, I guess some cats tummys are more aromatic than others. Hides this somewhere that her ladyship wont see ~jag~

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I am writting this in haste for if her ladyship Penny found out I would be resting in pieces. Penny is a wonderful cuddly and sweet siamese cat but eeeps. When she breaks wind RUN and I mean RUN away fast. I have talked to the TED and he siad there is nothing worng with her and gave me something to see if it would help, Also Sammy and Penny eat almost the same food so its definitely not the food, I guess some cats tummys are more aromatic than others. Hides this somewhere that her ladyship wont see

When I was a teenager, we had a cat who had a bad gas problem. It was aggravated by the fact that he refused to eat anything other than tuna-flavor Puss’n'Boots, one of the smelliest canned cat foods on the market. When he would let fly, it smelled like a fishing boat that had stayed out at sea for far too long. He would actually get up and leave the room in search of fresher air, resulting in his shifting from room to room on a steady basis. Other than stinkiness, however, he was a very sweet-mannered cat. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPhEPKTMYPge5L34aEQKyBACfbqUR+7Ux7DrZan9EBCt/D+FYjacAn3zQ 7o3l+3Xpo7uxJXcUyd1Ewhi3 =cZpW —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." — Hypatia of Alexendria

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Dad and Charlie have developed a lovely new habit. It seems that Charlie likes to curl up around Dad’s head when he goes to sleep. So when Dad wakes up, he is likely to wake up with a cat literally on his head. So sweet. You think. How adorable. I wish my cat would be that cuddly, you wish. THEN…Charlie lets go of one of his trademark silent releases of gas. Now, don’t get me wrong, this is one of the sweetest cats going, but that cat is rotten inside. When he releases gas, it can make the entire room toxic. So imagine Dad’s delight when he is laying there and Charlie is so very close to he smelly parts. Dad says it is enough to make him cry sometimes. As long as Charlie keeps his farts to himself, as my father says it, it feels all cuddly wuddly. Otherwise he wonders if he is part of some chemical warfare. Thought I would share. And as for Dad exagerrating – he ain’t. That cat can clear me out of a room! Bridget

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Attended subject show and got to put some faces to email names. Barry Beck was a guest tier. Class act. After he finished tying, he passed around a board of the fly he just tied and asked every one that "listened to the demo to take one." Watched Harrison Steeves tie. Another class act. He was selling his flies for $1.50 ( That’s right- $1.50 from a world class tier on patterns he originated and made famous) and would spend an hour showing you how to tie it and others specifically asked for. At times you forget how nice some people are that "made it to the top" in this sport. Wonder if George is going to pass out "Bastards" to those of us who have listened to him on this site. (Sorry George- I just could not resist.) Lou

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Good meeting you Lou. A couple Roffians met at noon in the lobby for a howdy and I went to lunch with Wayne and his lovely bride. Hey, if anyone is going back today, I need some help. There is a guy there selling vises that hang around your neck and sit on your chest. I lost his business card and I need his address and URL. It was his first show and he is just introducing them to the market. These vises are awesome. Instead of being hunched over your fly tying bench, you can kick back in a recliner in front of the TV or even stand up. They also fold flat so they are out of the way if you need to answer the phone or the like. I thought they would be great for us cripples with bad backs or teaching fly tying where you could walk up to each student and show them the technique. So, If anyone goes to the show, I need this guy’s info. The gear whore bug got me real bad. Just had buy that twelve-piece hollow punch set to punch out foam disks for fly tying. Of course, I had to include the two-way sharpener for the twelve-piece hollow punch set to punch out foam disks for fly tying. Then I had to pay $3.50 apiece for a couple of 4"X6" foam squares that I knew I could get in size 12"X10" at my wife’s store for $1.25. But of course, the foam went with the two-way sharpener for the twelve-piece hollow punch set to punch out foam disks for fly tying. Signed up for all the raffles. Gonna win all the raffles. Being first with your tickets in some of the raffle boxes has gotta count for something. The door prize for the show is a boat motor and trailer. Thomas and Thomas is giving a way a 4wt(drool). Bunch of other neato things there. Have fun all. Oh, with some google searches, I found the vise: <http://www.ohio.com/bj/sports/2000/September/29/docs/031527.htm Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Attended subject show and got to put some faces to email names. Barry Beck was a guest tier. Class act. After he finished tying, he passed around a board of the fly he just tied and asked every one that "listened to the demo to take one." Watched Harrison Steeves tie. Another class act. He was selling his flies for $1.50 ( That’s right- $1.50 from a world class tier on patterns he originated and made famous) and would spend an hour showing you how to tie it and others specifically asked for. At times you forget how nice some people are that "made it to the top" in this sport. Wonder if George is going to pass out "Bastards" to those of us who have listened to him on this site. (Sorry George- I just could not resist.) Lou

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Great time at the show. After we had lunch with Frank, Joe and SWMBO showed up and we chatted a while with Lou. I think SWMBO is leaning toward getting into this fishing thing but she showed a LOT of CONCERN about Frank&Frank and the mid-stream massage babe at the last RRR. Which brings up another point. It looks like another RRR coming in August 2001. Katie has ordered iron underwear and Steve has picked up a case of 12ga. insurance. After such terrific water levels and temperatures over the past year, this should be a banner year for larger smallmouth. Stay Tuned! I picked up three chicken necks (a little tougher than beef jerky but didn’t taste bad, damn pricey though) and a bunch more stuff at the show. I’m starting to need a closet just to store it in and I STILL don’t have enough stuff to tie a single pattern! I did find the 2/0 hooks and Tysons promises to come through with those chicken feathers . So…….this is cheaper than buying flys, huh? After looking over the field, I settled on the Chota Brookie II boots. I like being able to put traction soles on the toe of the boot on those Volkswagen size boulders on Brookie streams. Good news Indian Joe, more insurance against having to carry me out next time! — Wayne(still looking at scars from Wilson’s Creek) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Well, you can put me down for the RRR in August 2001!! My back ought to need more water-massaging by August, fer sure. Frank (oh yes, rub it baby!!) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great time at the show. After we had lunch with Frank, Joe and SWMBO showed up and we chatted a while with Lou. I think SWMBO is leaning toward getting into this fishing thing but she showed a LOT of CONCERN about Frank&Frank and the mid-stream massage babe at the last RRR. Which brings up another point. It looks like another RRR coming in August 2001. Katie has ordered iron underwear and Steve has picked up a case of 12ga. insurance. After such terrific water levels and temperatures over the past year, this should be a banner year for larger smallmouth. Stay Tuned! I picked up three chicken necks (a little tougher than beef jerky but didn’t taste bad, damn pricey though) and a bunch more stuff at the show. I’m starting to need a closet just to store it in and I STILL don’t have enough stuff to tie a single pattern! I did find the 2/0 hooks and Tysons promises to come through with those chicken feathers . So…….this is cheaper than buying flys, huh? After looking over the field, I settled on the Chota Brookie II boots. I like being able to put traction soles on the toe of the boot on those Volkswagen size boulders on Brookie streams. Good news Indian Joe, more insurance against having to carry me out next time! — Wayne(still looking at scars from Wilson’s Creek) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Great time at the show. After we had lunch with Frank, Joe and SWMBO showed up and we chatted a while with Lou. I think SWMBO is leaning toward getting into this fishing thing but she showed a LOT of CONCERN about Frank&Frank and the mid-stream massage babe at the last RRR.

Yeah, I’m not sure we should have shared that story. I kept having to repeat, "This happened *before* I got there." <g SWMBO & I got a late start due to a minor furnace problem at home, and missed the lunch and Frank by about 5 min. as it turned out. Still managed to spot Wayne & SO in the crowd later & was asking if Lou & Frank had made it when the guy reading my r.o.f.f. fall ball hat confessed to being Lou. Great timing on that; & great to meet another roffian. Sorry I missed ya Frank. Turns out Wayne’s SO & mine are almost exactly the same height (or lack thereof). Roffians aside, I really enjoyed the show. I’d never been to any similar event, and it was great to see all those goodies on display. Having two unfinished blanks waiting in the wings, I really wasn’t in the market for any serious hardware, but SWMBO did get to try on some waders for size (progress is slow, but it’s progress), and I did enter a few raffles to dilute Frank’s chances a bit (sorry Frank, the T&T is mine.) Had no luck finding jungle cock eyes. A couple vendors plainly said they were too expensive to bring along. I’ll stick to Plan A for the swap. Maybe some other time. In the end, I got out cheap, only buying one book. Had a great time, though. Joe F.

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Joe, Send me an email on my deja email with your home phone. I have jungle cock cape. Frank Reid

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Hey Frank! I think some of that jungle cock stuff might dress up these White Millers! — Wayne (bought some of that stuff Frank said to get…don’t know what it was or what it does but it was ONLY 50cents a pack!!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Heathen! Frank Hey Frank! I think some of that jungle cock stuff might dress up these White Millers! — Wayne (bought some of that stuff Frank said to get…don’t know what it was or what it does but it was ONLY 50cents a pack!!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Yeah. The best thing to do is ignore ‘em. I sometimes rise to the bait, but I feel chagrined every time I do. Problem is, it stops being a sport when the participants become polarized over anything, whether it’s bamboo or race relations.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 1. It’s a little like fishing. You don’t have to try to catch everyone you see. You don’t have to keep all you catch. You can just ignore the little guys. <<2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? 2. Now we also have Muskie to deal with.

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Lennie, if you’re at all related to the Richardson Fly Box, you might want to consider moving to another state. Let us know where you’re planning to fish and your general locale–there are for better or worse quite a few other ROFF regulars who live in NC.

I’m not familiar with the Richardson Fly Box, but we could be related. My father’s family is centered in Marion, SC and I’m told I have relatives near Charlotte. I’m a reasonably fair fly dresser, but I can scarcely meet my own demand let alone do it commercially. Besides, I tie flies to catch fish, not to look purty. –Steve (typing this from Cary, NC; headed to Watauga county tomorrow morning) P.S. and no I won’t be doing any fishing this time

Maybe if you don’t get to fish you can get in some skiing.

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Hi All, It’s been a while since I hung out here, like since late June. I have a couple of questions: 1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away?

Yeah, just post more trips reports like you did for your Montana trip. I enjoyed the pix. Willi

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Lennie, were you speaking of the Upper Creek off of Mt. Mitchell or the Upper Creek off 181 Hwy in Burke County? I fish the Burke County Upper. Don’t recall the 10" ice. This is a great stream. — Opie –Psychotic Psychic to the recently deceased–

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The one in Burke County. It was OK coming in from the Johns River side, but we went out the road that takes you to Wilson Creek and that’s the one that was iced over. It was slick. Drove out in 4 wheel low the whole way. It was beautiful, but slicker than fresh snot on a doorknob.

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I’m in Charlotte. I was thinking about heading over toward the delayed harvest area of the Tuckaseegee, but I love all the areas you’ve mentioned above. It’s starting to look like the weather could keep us home. I love to fish in the snow and I don’t mind driving in it if I’m the only car on I-40 between Statesville and the Tennessee line. I drove up to Upper Creek January of this year and it was 10" deep in hard ice, not snow. Looked like a mini-glacier. What part of Wilson Creek do you like to fish this time of year? LR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where are you located Lennie? I’m in Lenoir and plan to fish this weekend on Upper Creek, or Lost Cove, or Wilson Creek or somewhere. — Opie –Planning for the Past– I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back.

Lennie, if you’re at all related to the Richardson Fly Box, you might want to consider moving to another state. Let us know where you’re planning to fish and your general locale–there are for better or worse quite a few other ROFF regulars who live in NC. –Steve (typing this from Cary, NC; headed to Watauga county tomorrow morning) P.S. and no I won’t be doing any fishing this time

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<<1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 1. It’s a little like fishing. You don’t have to try to catch everyone you see. You don’t have to keep all you catch. You can just ignore the little guys. <<2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? 2. Now we also have Muskie to deal with.

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Where are you located Lennie? I’m in Lenoir and plan to fish this weekend on Upper Creek, or Lost Cove, or Wilson Creek or somewhere. — Opie –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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Hi All, It’s been a while since I hung out here, like since late June. I have a couple of questions: 1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? I use his product and it works just fine for me. As a matter of fact, I’ve got a bottle I bought in 1990 which I’ve only half used up. It’s his biased blather that I don’t care for. I still find many stimulating and useful posts in this group, so I have no plans to give up on it just yet. Thanks to all of you (you know who you are) that make this a worthwhile NG. BTW, I’ve been to Montana since the last time I visited this group, so if anybody would like to see a few pretty fish pictures, please take a look at http://home.carolina.rr.com/ellarrandfamily/photo.htm. I had the good fortune to meet some super fishermen, guides, and flyshop folk while I was there, but I’m not going to turn my post into a commercial for them. I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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______ snipped barbarian verbal pictographs – only to the like-minded. Our private strictures answer to a vision that encompasses a practical conduct, an aesthetic, and an ethic which is to say, I suppose, that it is a philosophy. The multiple nymphs affixed to my leader are the kind of barbarism another fisherman might handle only with tongs. I string them up without a second thought." will be a long process) to slowly emulsify your Plural mind into a grand instrument of olympic proportions and singular thinking. May you discover the Single Action Fly Fishing System that does not include indicators and gang banging. May your leaded nymphs always hang up and may you always not have enough flies. Really enjoyed this post. I am haunted by this singular life – — Mr. G. http://www.gink.com/html (Come, visit) One log per person.

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[deleted] will be a long process) to slowly emulsify your Plural mind into a grand instrument of olympic proportions and singular thinking.

[deleted] Ask not for whom the bug trolls George. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Hi Folks, after all the e-mails enquiring as to my reasons for ceasing to subscribe

Gentlemen and Ladies, I am moved by the loss of the best among us. I have filed Mike’s post in a place where I’ll be able to find it next time I feel like launching a salvo. Hope we can all do the same. sniff…..

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I have simply made a personal decision not to subscribe.

Good to see your byline again, Mike, even if for the last time. best wishes….. Mark Faulkner

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Mike Connor wrote [final farewell snipped] Huge loss for ROFF. I’ll miss your wit Mike.

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Mike Connor Honi soit qui mal y pense.

George Visit: http://www.gink.com

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Hi Folks, after all the e-mails enquiring as to my reasons for ceasing to subscribe to the news groups generally and ROFF specifically, and although I was of the opinion that I had made my reasons quite clear, here they are once again. The subject is now closed for me. I will not answer any further e-mails on this subject, it would serve no useful purpose. E-mails to the various websites or bulletin boards to which I contribute are also a waste of time, as I will not discuss the matter further. I would be most obliged if you would consider this, especially in the chat rooms where I am on line, nobody is interested in the matter, and it just wastes time and annoys people. I will also not join in discussions denigrating ROFF, or any of its contributors under any circumstances whatsoever. If you have a problem with somebody on ROFF then talk to them or take it to e-mail with the people concerned, I have no interest in the matter. I have no personal axe to grind as far as ROFF is concerned, I still think ROFF is basically great actually, I have simply made a personal decision not to subscribe. The reasons are listed in order of importance, just in case anybody wants to know exactly, as it appears quite a few do. 1. I cannot afford to pay for the downloading of large amounts of spam. This is purely a financial criteria, and is by far the most important one. Without attempting to define spam, I mean anything which may generally be described as crap, be it multiple senseless posts, or direct commercial misuse of usenet. This simply costs me a lot of money which I do not have in amounts sufficient to waste on this nonsense. Before anybody else sends me tips for saving money on usenet, do me and yourself a favour, forget it. Most of the ideas are not practicable, and as I pay metered rates for on line time, sometimes not even possible. 2. I see no point in allowing myself to be insulted or provoked by people whose main interest in life seems to be annoying or upsetting as many people as they can in the shortest possible time. Especially when it is just nasty and not even remotely amusing. This runs contrary to the spirit of the newsgroup, and continuing to pay out good money for this sort of thing would mean I would have to have a screw loose, this is fortunately not the case. 3. I am my own man, I do what I do, say what I say, and think what I think, I do not like it much when people attribute my words or actions to reasons they have dreamed up themselves, and attempt to prove their invariably faulty conclusions in print on a public forum. I am nobodies sycophant. I also resent it deeply when people make stupid or annoying or simply false statements based on posts I or others have made, where it is perfectly obvious that they have either not read the posts properly or are lacking the wherewithal to understand them. 4. The informational and amusement content of the newsgroups seems to be deteriorating in direct proportion to the amount of ill mannered and ignorant persons subscribing to them. I would tend to avoid such people in private life, ( the "bar" analogy ), and see no reason why I should not follow this eminently sensible policy elsewhere also. 5. There are too many people who want to control all sorts of things, up to and including what other people may or may not post. Usenet is in my opinion one of the last bastions of true free speech, to those who can not accept this, or attempt continually to misuse it, I can only say you are not ready for freedom of speech. Freedom of speech allows you to say what you like when you like to whoever you like, like many great things it should be exercised with manners and self-control if it is not to degenerate into a senseless insulting free for all, even more so on a relatively anoymous medium like usenet. If some of the things said on here in the past were indeed said in a bar, then the people responsible would certainly be looking for a new set of teeth at the very least, and a good thing too. Unfortunately as I am unable to come into even remote striking distance of the aforementioned dental accoutrements, I find it better to remove myself from the sphere of influence, whether a bar or usenet is immaterial. 6. I was indeed extremely angry at the amount of direct e-mail spam I received as a result of the ill considered efforts of one ROFF contributor in distributing my e-mail address to commercial spammers. I am prepared to accept that this was a mistake, the person concerned apologised profusely and sincerely,and I am no longer angry at him. This was not my main reason for leaving the group, just an extra annoyance. 7. I was ever more dismayed at the number of trolls obviously designed to get a rise out of somebody or provoke a useless argument, which turned nasty fairly quickly, I see no point in this, and I imagine it is just some perverse form of entertainment, in which only perverts would indulge, especially in view of the anonymous nature of the whole thing. Purposely pissing off someone you dont even know for enjoyment strikes me as being perverse in the extreme, and I prefer to keep my distance in such cases. 8. The comment from many posters that anybody who posts in public forums should expect to be insulted and must develop a thick skin is in my opinion a symptom of their own perversity and lack of manners. I expect to be treated at least with good manners. When this is not the case I have several options usually. In this particular case, retiring from the field is probably the most sensible. 9. I was of the opinion that groups such as ROFF provided a service and source of information on the subject at hand, and everything even remotely related to it. I attempted to subcribe in this spirit, as I assume most others also do. This attempt met with far more negative criticism and insulting responses than I would have hoped it might, and this was extremely disappointing. This also contributed to my decision to leave. I hope this clears up any wierd ideas, misconceptions, or even downright lies as to why I no longer subscribe, and that the subject is now definitely closed. I welcome personal and private e-mail on any and every subject under the sun, and I am happy to help anybody at all if it lies within my power, however as I already said on at least one other occasion, enquiries which start with the words "How do I start fly-fishing" or similar all embracing questions are beyond my power to answer in a couple of e-mails, and anybody who thinks he can become a good flyfisherman by studying a potted set of answers from one person, or even a group of people, or watching videos etc, ought to take up tennis, or bowling or something similar. The only way to become a good flyfisherman is to go and do it, read as much as you can, talk to as many flyfishers as you can, and try out what they say, advice on specific problems will always be available. One of the greatest attractions of flyfishing is the fact that however much you learn, and however good you become, there is always something new to learn, the possibilities and facets are infinite. Flyfishing is not just a hobby like embroidering cushion covers, or weaving carpets, as a way of killing time, it is a philosophy, a religion, a way of life. It is hard work all the way, but absolutely fascinating, entrancing and enslaving. Thanks again for all your e-mails, I am surprised ( and of course pleased ! ) that my leaving a forum like this could generate such a furore which lasts such a long time. I obviously made a positive and pleasant impact on at least some of you, as indeed many of you did on myself. It is very pleasant to get such support and encouragement mostly from people I have never met , and probably never will, I met some lovely people on the groups, I enjoyed myself, and I learned an awful lot, but I will not return to any of the newsgroups, if only to prove some of the ignorant and insulting people wrong who e-mailed me telling me what a pompous over educated ( If only they knew !!! )ass I am, and that I would doubtless return at some point. I would not like to give such people the satisfaction of being right, even if I got usenet access for free ! Tight lines ! Mike Connor Honi soit qui mal y pense.

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I think the biggest advantage of barbless hooks is its easier to get them out of your clothes, waders, and skin :<

drying patch, fly box and the other tunnels into the spiritual plane. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Umm… Bud? Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? : I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but : thought : I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation : and : to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish : (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this : year. I’m amazed by this. I’ve only been there in summer(once) and winter(once) but each time there was *so much* activity in the stream by little humans that I didn’t believe it was a viable fishing spot for anything larger than 10 inches. Is it possible you caught planted stock? Is it possible you are engaging in the oldest fishing pastime and stretching things a wee bit? : A 10 mile drive up the canyon will put you in the largest ponderosa pine : forest : in the U.S. at about 7000′ elevation (Yes it does snow in Arizona!!!). : Living only : 30 minutes away from the creek makes it a popular after work flyfishing : spot for : me. I wasn’t putting the area down, only trying to tone down the rhetoric which follows many tourist centers: "We have everything, and it’s great!" I love the Sedona area for what it is… a wonderful desert area fairly close to respectable (if picked clean) mountains. The area surely has much to offer, but my limited experience suggests it is not a destination fly fishing area. I admit, I fished the lower parts of the creek, and there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish. (Perhaps I should fact the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.) I’m surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. —

Rick, I’m not claiming Oak Creek is place to go catch large fish on a regular basis. In fact, 8 to 10 inch fish are the norm. On those rare occasions, some larger fish can be caught. No way as far as planted stockers go (we affectionately call those things finless wonders here in AZ). I’ve been known to stretch the truth on some occasions. This weekend (at Oak Creek) I landed a brown that I thought went 15". Actual measurement was just over 14" (using the lettering on my flyrod). Even if I was off on the other fish a 17" brown and 16" rainbow aren’t bad for Oak Creek. As far as people pressure goes you’re right. I’ve had some tough days due to the number of tourists, hikers, swimmers, etc on the creek. So I fish it real early and stay away from the campgrounds (6am – 10am I didn’t see a soul on the creek this weekend). If you ever wander through Sedona again stop by the store at Don Hoel’s cabins. They have some pictures from the 1960’s to the late 1980’s showing browns in the 21-25 inch range. There may not be alot of those big hogs in Oak Creek now-a-days but I know where a few lay. Jeff Anderson http://www.woolybugger.com

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: : Umm… Bud? Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? : I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but : thought : I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation : and : to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish : (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this : year. I’m amazed by this. I’ve only been there in summer(once) and winter(once) but each time there was *so much* activity in the stream by little humans that I didn’t believe it was a viable fishing spot for anything larger than 10 inches. Is it possible you caught planted stock? Is it possible you are engaging in the oldest fishing pastime and stretching things a wee bit? : A 10 mile drive up the canyon will put you in the largest ponderosa pine : forest : in the U.S. at about 7000′ elevation (Yes it does snow in Arizona!!!). : Living only : 30 minutes away from the creek makes it a popular after work flyfishing : spot for : me. I wasn’t putting the area down, only trying to tone down the rhetoric which follows many tourist centers: "We have everything, and it’s great!" I love the Sedona area for what it is… a wonderful desert area fairly close to respectable (if picked clean) mountains. The area surely has much to offer, but my limited experience suggests it is not a destination fly fishing area. I admit, I fished the lower parts of the creek, and there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish. (Perhaps I should fact the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.) I’m surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish. (Perhaps I should : face the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.) I’m : surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. I forgot to mention the obvious: I stand corrected. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: there, the water seemed too warm to support large fish. (Perhaps I should : face the fact I can only catch larger fish in water I know.) I’m : surprised to learn the humans haven’t scared the fish away. I forgot to mention the obvious: I stand corrected.

and those neoprenes show every bulge too… ohhh…COrected…! My mistake ! TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Umm… Bud? Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? : I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but : thought : I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation : and : to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish : (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this : year. I’m amazed by this. I’ve only been there in summer(once) and winter(once) but each time there was *so much* activity in the stream by little humans that I didn’t believe it was a viable fishing spot for anything larger than 10 inches. Is it possible you caught planted stock? Is it possible you are engaging in the oldest fishing pastime and stretching things a wee bit?

Is it possible you were huffin’ some Sedona Red ? TimW

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Umm… Bud? Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert?

I don’t want to condone the spam-like message to "SAVE SEDONA" but thought I’d comment about the surrounding area. Sedona is about 5000′ elevation and to the north sits Oak Creek Canyon. The creek can produce some nice fish (17" rainbow caught last weekend) and 18" browns caught earlier this year. A 10 mile drive up the canyon will put you in the largest ponderosa pine forest in the U.S. at about 7000′ elevation (Yes it does snow in Arizona!!!). Living only 30 minutes away from the creek makes it a popular after work flyfishing spot for me. That’s my 2cents worth. Jeff Anderson http://www.woolybugger.com

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Umm… Bud? Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert?<

Yee who doesn’t know shouldn’t open his mouth. Seeing is believing. dp

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: !!! SAVE SEDONA !!! : HELP US SAVE SEDONA : If you support Fishing Opportunities, Umm… Bud? Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

Rick, Visit Sedona someday and you will find a lovely little desert town with a very nice river running through it (to borrow a phrase). Besides, anyone who lives in "Moscow" should not cast stones at other places. Dave — Dave http://avery.med.virginia.edu/~dcb/home.html David C. Benjamin, Ph.D., Professor Office (804) 924-2631 Beirne B. Carter Center for Immunology Research Lab (804) 982-1679 MR4 Box 4012, University of Virginia Health FAX (804) 924-1221 Sciences Center, Charlottesville, VA 22908 Email

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: !!! SAVE SEDONA !!! : HELP US SAVE SEDONA : If you support Fishing Opportunities, Umm… Bud? Isn’t Sedona, like, in the desert? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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!!! SAVE SEDONA !!! Thank you for taking the time to read my post … I REALLY NEED YOUR HELP! My name is Rama and I am the owner of the only REAL bikeshop (Mountain Bike Heaven) in Sedona AZ and I need your help! The local Forest Service folks are having their final meeting at 9AM tomorrow morning (9/4) to accept final public input on the new management plan =93Ideas for the Future=94. One of the proposals included in the =93Ideas for the Future=94 are more lands trades within our surrounding area. Here=92s the way it works, the Forest Service gives a chunk of our local Forest to a developer and the developer hands them cash and a deed to some unknown piece of land. Of course, the Forest Service always tells us these =93deals=94 are always for the =93best interests=94 of all concerned parties. The problem is they (USFS) keep trading away all our local hiking, biking, equestrian and nature opportunities. WE DONT NEED ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT! Our local infrastructure is already at the boiling point trying to cope with too much growth: no sewers, no roads, no phones … HELP US SAVE THE FORESTS! HELP US SAVE SEDONA If you support Hiking Opportunities, If you support Biking Opportunities, If you support Camping Opportunities, If you support Climbing Opportunites, If you support Fishing Opportunities, If you support Equestrian Opportunities, If you support any Outdoor Opportunity, If you like Sedona, If you like Arizona If you like the Forest, If you like Nature … Write your own letter or copy and mail the passage below. I will take your email to the meeting tomorrow and we will show the Forest Service that we don=92t want anymore land trades. Thanks for your help. Dear Forest Service Folks, I am opposed to ALL land trades in and around the Sedona area. Please register my opinion and take it into consideration as you construct your =93Ideas for the Future=94 … Name … Age … State … City … Country … Thanks for your Support! Thanks for your help! RAMA BTW … when you=92re in Sedona stop by my shop "Mountain Bike Heaven" in West Sedona and say Hi! If I have some time maybe we can go for a ride. Wait, I have regularly scheduled FREE group rides on Wed, Sat and Sun — I can always ride then … Have Fun! is at http://www.ibike.com/mountainbikeheaven/index.htm

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I’ve decided that it’s about time I changed the bead on my nipple ring (14 g). I figured that I could get a pair of pliers to open and close the ring at an art supply store, but I was wondering what exactly I should be looking for. Thanks, Spidey