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NRA FILES CIVIL RIGHTS SUIT On Tuesday, the National Rifle Association filed a civil rights lawsuit on behalf of 12-year-old Virginia NRA member Alan Newsom. The lawsuit charges the principal and vice-principal of the Jack Jouett Middle School and the Albemarle County (Va.) School Board Superintendent and Board members with violating Newsom’s First Amendment rights when they banned him from wearing an NRA Youth Sports Shooting Camp shirt, bearing NRA’s logo, to school last year. Newsom was forced to remove his T-shirt by the vice-principal and told to turn it inside out. She considered the shirt’s illustrations of individuals involved in shooting sports to violate school policy, even though at the time there was no rule that prohibited such clothing. When NRA notified school authorities that their action violated the student’ s civil rights, the school subsequently added a provision for the 2002-2003 school year barring any clothing associated with "weapons" and "violence." "The facts are clear. Alan Newsom was singled-out by the vice-principal because he was wearing an NRA T-shirt," said NRA’s Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre. "The T-shirt clearly depicts individuals involved in shooting sports. The images are in no way inappropriate or violent. This is a blatant infringement of young Alan’s constitutional rights. I was dumbfounded when I learned of the facts of this case after Alan’s parents contacted us, and didn’t hesitate to take up this challenge. I am proud to say that NRA stands proudly with this brave young man," LaPierre said. The lawsuit, which seeks $100,000 in damages and $50,000 in punitive damages plus legal costs, was filed in the U.S. Federal District Court for Western District of Virginia, Charlottesville Division. Among the 12 counts included in the federal suit are free speech and due process violations under federal and state constitutions. "NRA wholeheartedly supports the reasonable prohibition of images on clothing depicting violence in a school setting. However, to preclude a student from wearing an article of clothing because it may run counter to the viewpoints or political beliefs of some school officials is deplorable," LaPierre added. In Tinker v. Des Moines School District, the U.S. Supreme Court held "[i]n order for the State in the person of the school officials to justify prohibition of a particular expressed opinion, it must be able to show that its actions were caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint." NRA’s lawsuit also challenges the ambiguity of the new school rule which will not only affect all NRA logos, but also the Great Seal of the United States, the United States Army logo, and the seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia-all with images of "weapons" that would fall within the prohibitions of the school’s new policy. "This is clearly a case of political-correctness running unchecked," LaPierre added. "Alan is a good student who has no disciplinary problems in school. He developed an affinity for shooting sports and his father enrolled him in a NRA Youth Safety Camp to learn basic firearm safety. Alan aspires to represent his country in the Olympics someday. The school authorities harassed and breached Alan’s First Amendment rights merely for his interest in the NRA and shooting sports." The lawsuit noted that, ironically, Jack Jouett Middle School is named for an American Revolutionary War hero who is known for his famous ride on June 3, 1781, in which despite the potential for personal peril, he rode through the night to warn Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and others that British troops were on their way to arrest patriots for signing the Declaration of Independence. In appreciation for this act of bravery, the Virginia Legislature awarded Captain Jack Jouett a sword and a pair of pistols. For more information on this case, and other cases that NRA-ILA is pursuing, please call (800) 392-8683.

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where’s the fly fishing in this story? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NRA FILES CIVIL RIGHTS SUIT On Tuesday, the National Rifle Association filed a civil rights lawsuit on behalf of 12-year-old Virginia NRA member Alan Newsom. The lawsuit charges the principal and vice-principal of the Jack Jouett Middle School and the Albemarle County (Va.) School Board Superintendent and Board members with violating Newsom’s First Amendment rights when they banned him from wearing an NRA Youth Sports Shooting Camp shirt, bearing NRA’s logo, to school last year. Newsom was forced to remove his T-shirt by the vice-principal and told to turn it inside out. She considered the shirt’s illustrations of individuals involved in shooting sports to violate school policy, even though at the time there was no rule that prohibited such clothing. When NRA notified school authorities that their action violated the student’ s civil rights, the school subsequently added a provision for the 2002-2003 school year barring any clothing associated with "weapons" and "violence." "The facts are clear. Alan Newsom was singled-out by the vice-principal because he was wearing an NRA T-shirt," said NRA’s Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre. "The T-shirt clearly depicts individuals involved in shooting sports. The images are in no way inappropriate or violent. This is a blatant infringement of young Alan’s constitutional rights. I was dumbfounded when I learned of the facts of this case after Alan’s parents contacted us, and didn’t hesitate to take up this challenge. I am proud to say that NRA stands proudly with this brave young man," LaPierre said. The lawsuit, which seeks $100,000 in damages and $50,000 in punitive damages plus legal costs, was filed in the U.S. Federal District Court for Western District of Virginia, Charlottesville Division. Among the 12 counts included in the federal suit are free speech and due process violations under federal and state constitutions. "NRA wholeheartedly supports the reasonable prohibition of images on clothing depicting violence in a school setting. However, to preclude a student from wearing an article of clothing because it may run counter to the viewpoints or political beliefs of some school officials is deplorable," LaPierre added. In Tinker v. Des Moines School District, the U.S. Supreme Court held "[i]n order for the State in the person of the school officials to justify prohibition of a particular expressed opinion, it must be able to show that its actions were caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint." NRA’s lawsuit also challenges the ambiguity of the new school rule which will not only affect all NRA logos, but also the Great Seal of the United States, the United States Army logo, and the seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia-all with images of "weapons" that would fall within the prohibitions of the school’s new policy. "This is clearly a case of political-correctness running unchecked," LaPierre added. "Alan is a good student who has no disciplinary problems in school. He developed an affinity for shooting sports and his father enrolled him in a NRA Youth Safety Camp to learn basic firearm safety. Alan aspires to represent his country in the Olympics someday. The school authorities harassed and breached Alan’s First Amendment rights merely for his interest in the NRA and shooting sports." The lawsuit noted that, ironically, Jack Jouett Middle School is named for an American Revolutionary War hero who is known for his famous ride on June 3, 1781, in which despite the potential for personal peril, he rode through the night to warn Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and others that British troops were on their way to arrest patriots for signing the Declaration of Independence. In appreciation for this act of bravery, the Virginia Legislature awarded Captain Jack Jouett a sword and a pair of pistols. For more information on this case, and other cases that NRA-ILA is pursuing, please call (800) 392-8683.

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says… I recommend Oak Creek, Michael, or the Verde River near Dead Horse Ranch. Here’s a couple of links you might find handy: http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/fis_oc.htm http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/m_ocs.htm Enjoy your visit! Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

I’ve been out in Flagstaff twice…both before I started flyfishing!  I may be out there in mid-May and have a day or 2 free.  Thanks for the pointers. Rob

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Michael, Check out www.smallstreams.com It’s mostly about Arizona streams. Thanks, Russ in Tucson

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I recommend Oak Creek, Michael, or the Verde River near Dead Horse Ranch. Here’s a couple of links you might find handy: http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/fis_oc.htm http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/m_ocs.htm Enjoy your visit!

Oh man, the agony of it all!!! I own a house in Flagstaff, and lived there for 12 years, but only took up flyfishing after I left. I never knew there were trout in Oak Creek or the Verde, despite having paddled both rivers (esp the remote stretches of the Verde) dozens of times!!  When I think of all the trips I took, and all those ‘never fished’ stretches I must have passed over because I wasn’t a flyfisher……the thought of the missed opportunities tears me up!!!! riverman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recommend Oak Creek, Michael, or the Verde River near Dead Horse Ranch. Here’s a couple of links you might find handy: http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/fis_oc.htm http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/m_ocs.htm Enjoy your visit! Oh man, the agony of it all!!! I own a house in Flagstaff, and lived there for 12 years, but only took up flyfishing after I left. I never knew there were trout in Oak Creek or the Verde, despite having paddled both rivers (esp the remote stretches of the Verde) dozens of times!!  When I think of all the trips I took, and all those ‘never fished’ stretches I must have passed over because I wasn’t a flyfisher……the thought of the missed opportunities tears me up!!!! riverman

It’s still here, sweetie.  You can always come back and have another look. :^) Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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All, I’ve got to take a business trip in late March to Phoenix, but then will have 3 days to myself.  Are there fly-fishing opportunities there abouts someone might want to recommend? Cheers, Michael

I recommend Oak Creek, Michael, or the Verde River near Dead Horse Ranch. Here’s a couple of links you might find handy: http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/fis_oc.htm http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/m_ocs.htm Enjoy your visit! Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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All, I’ve got to take a business trip in late March to Phoenix, then will have 3 days to myself. Are there fly-fishing opportunities there abouts someone might want to recommend? Cheers, Michael

You might try searching this newsgroup for past entries and responses.  There should be quite a few suggestions.  You should contact the AZ Fish and Game at: http://www.gf.state.az.us/frames/index.html My personal favorite fishing was the upper Salt River, about Roosevelt Reservoir.  It’s a longer drive (east to Globe, then either north to the lower river or to Show Low to the upper river) and part of the river (above Chrysotile) is on the Apache Indian Reservation (stop at White River for a license).  The extreme upper Black River is on USFS lands and has good fishing for small mouth bass. Good luck. –Scott–

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I’ll go 3.5 hours north to Lee’s Ferry. John

Agreed — that’s The Place to flyfish in AZ, but it’s a bit much for a day trip from Phoenix. If you have absolutely nothing to do for 3 solid days, it would be a worthwhile venture. Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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I’ll go 3.5 hours north to Lee’s Ferry. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All, I’ve got to take a business trip in late March to Phoenix, but then will have 3 days to myself.  Are there fly-fishing opportunities there abouts someone might want to recommend? Cheers, Michael

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good god!  at last, the final piece of the roffian puzzle: the scent of a woman! smilies from tucson to tucumcari. your friend in the old north state wayno

Hiya handsome! I missed you too!  Told you fellers I’d be back. Looks like y’all have been having fun while I was gone. Enjoying myself thoroughly catching up. Anyone here ever see the Trinity movies (My Name Is Trinity; Trinity Is Still My Name; and My Name Is Nobody)?  Really cheesy Italian westerns with the best slap-fighting ever recorded on celluloid.  That’s what ROFF reminds me of — I LOVE this place!  Glad to be home.  :^)  Hugs all around. Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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!  When I think of all the trips I took, and all those ‘never fished’ stretches I must have passed over because I wasn’t a flyfisher……the thought of the missed opportunities tears me up!!!! riverman It’s still here, sweetie.  You can always come back and have another look. :^) Sandy

        good god!  at last, the final piece of the roffian puzzle: the scent of a woman!         smilies from tucson to tucumcari. your friend in the old north state wayno

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All, I’ve got to take a business trip in late March to Phoenix, but then will have 3 days to myself.  Are there fly-fishing opportunities there abouts someone might want to recommend? Cheers, Michael

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You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters:  I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley.  "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops.  I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it.  Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it.  I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb.  Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have.  After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon.  They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards.  When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction.  (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…)  I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something.  Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300.  Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters:  If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites.  Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity.  Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me.  In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight.  He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin

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Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Seems that way, doesn’t it?  But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size.  Here’s the real kicker:  No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory.  The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in.  Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share.  (I remember hearing the nurse saying, "Well, what exactly is your plan if you get a snakebite patient, anyway?"  Apparently the plan is to get you stabilized and put you on a one-way chopper to somewhere else.) Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Seems that way, doesn’t it?  But apparently 20 vials is the standard dose for adult males of my (larger than average) size.  Here’s the real kicker:  No hospital anywhere has more than 7 vials in inventory.  The ER nurses had to phone all over trying to get more shipped in.  Ennis, in particular, had only one, and they didn’t want to share.  (I remember

Count yourself luck that you didn’t lose your thumb. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well.  Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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It’s a horrible disease, with a horrible treatment. Where was this Harry?  Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My buddys son was bitten by what turned out to be a rabid dog and the experience was horrific. Costs aside, and they are very high, the treatments were extremely painful as well.  Not a very nice experience. The alternatives are even worse, not much fun at all. don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all? Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You asked for it, Wayno. The whole story is kinda embarrassing, because it was all my own damn fault. We were camped at the Salmon Fly FAS at the mouth of Maiden Rock Canyon on the Big Hole River in Montana. (Note to Clavesters:  I spend a fair amount of time in snake country, and I have NEVER seen rattlesnakes like I have seen them in the Big Hole valley.  "It’s a snakey son-of-a- bitch," as the locals put it.) Anyway, I was walking from our camper up to the outhouse one morning, and I saw this little tiny snake on the road, maybe 6 inches long, tops.  I thought to myself, if you want to call it thinking, "I bet the kids would like to see, this," and bent down and grabbed it.  Now, I have caught hundreds of snakes in my life, and thought I was pretty good at it.  I grabbed him right behind the head, but as it turns out, he had just enough wiggle room to turn his head and stick one fang in the side of my thumb.  Now, at first, I didn’t think I was in any trouble, cuz how much venom can a little baby snake have, anyway? As it turns out, the answer is, "Plenty," and it is a more concentrated form than adult snakes have.  After about ten minutes, my thumb was twice its normal size, and we were in the truck headed to the ER in Dillon.  They kept me for 24 hours, pumped 20 vials of anti-venom into me, which had to be brought in from all over the state by Highway Patrol officers (Thanks again, boys.) The worst part comes about a week afterwards.  When you get the anti-venom (which is extracted from horses,) you get a thousand other foreign antibodies along with it, at least one of which is going to cause a horrible allergic reaction.  (Try to imagine rolling naked in a patch of poison ivy and nettles that is infested with black flies and mosquitos…)  I have pictures of myself, and I look like I have leprosy or something.  Back to the emergency room, for steroid injections… No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Each little vial of antivenom costs $300.  Even after insurance, I had to cough up over a thousand out of my own pocket, which is none too deep to begin with. Another note to Clavesters:  If you do get snakebit, the hospital in Dillon is pretty good, and they now have experience in treating snakebites.  Nobody there had seen one before I came in, and I was something of a curiosity.  Doctors and nurses were coming in on their days off to take a look at me.  In fact, a year later, I was dropping my sister off at the airport in Butte and one of the doctors was on an incoming flight.  He recognized me from across the terminal and came over to check out my thumb (no charge!) Kevin

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4

Damn! Convinced me! I’m taking that off my to do list right away.<G

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The Idaho pan handle in the mid eighties, I mailed him for the specifics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where was this Harry?  Rabid dogs are very rare. There hasn’t been a documented case of rabies in a dog in Colorado in over ten years, although we do get cases of wild animals that are rabid.

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don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son

What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff

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Why would you catch a rattlesnake in order to show it to your kids? Why would you catch one at all?

Some people would do anything to win–a Darwin award. :=) Bill

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 This has changed then. In 69 when I was bitten the treatment consisted of one injection per day for 14 days.I am now only required to get a booster if bitten by an animal considered rabid. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son Kevin, $8,000.00 does seem a bit steep and 20 vials of anti venom sounds ridiculous.  Hell just cut your thumb off the next time.  Then bring it in, give it a shot and have it sewn back on after the allergic reaction. Ernie "Kevin Vang" wrote No, I take it back, the worst part came two weeks later, when I got a bill for $8000 and change from the hospital. Kevin

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he got scratched by a racoon that was ~suspected~ of being rabit. The racoon was in the process of killing his easter chicken. Caution being the better part of valor and rabies being rampant in racoons in New England now, he got shots. He didn’t like it. The insurance company didn’t like it, I didn’t care for what was left over either but I’m glad he’s still about. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t ever get bitten by a rabid animal, the cost will astound you. it’s something like $2400 a treatment, there were 4 Flyfish who had to have this done to his son What did the little rascal do that was so bad you had a rabid animal bite him?? Regards, Jeff

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.  Seems as if you earned your just reward.

Sounds like the bug up your ass is biting you.  I won’t hazard a guess as to whether you deserve it or not. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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This proves the statistic that most people in the USA are bitten while either trying to catch the snake or kill it.

From something I read once, the statistics are markedly different by gender. It seems that it’s mostly men who insist on picking them up and get bit on the hands & arms.   Most snake bites on women are on the feet & legs. Joe F.

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Snake Venom… Chlorine for the gene pool

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit. I’m curious as to the particulars of this case. What was the reason for the lawsuit? Defective products, overpricing, or something else?

I don’t have any specifics, but the general flavor of the situation indicated anti-competitive pricing and marketing issues.  Had nothing to do with the quality of the products themselves. Russ

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Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit.

I’m curious as to the particulars of this case. What was the reason for the lawsuit? Defective products, overpricing, or something else? BTW the suit is for all consumers who purchased a new Mercruiser stern drive or inboard engine in Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mwxico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin or the District of Columbia during the period from February 17, 1995 through February 16, 1999.

That explains why I didn’t get any notice for my 2 purchases during that time period. I don’t live in any of those states (Which is probably why I didn’t know anything about it). Dave

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Go with the cash…    Nothing tastes better than your favourite beverage bought    by someone else.

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To the rest of you what would you choose and why? If there are any NG members who are participants in the suit will you send in your claims and what did you choose and why. Just curious.

Cash, nothing else on the list fit any real need or desire of mine.  The $100 can always go in the gas tank.  I’ve only got one claim since it corresponds to my ‘97 Sea Ray which was a single.  The ‘99 has twins, but was purchased after the inclusive dates. I might have an explanation as to why you didn’t get claim forms for your earlier purchases.  In my case, I was not the original purchaser of the ‘97. I purchased it slightly used.  However, when I bought it, I paid the nominal fee to MerCruiser to have the warranty and registration changed to my name. I assume MerCruiser tracks the lawsuit claims by engine serial numbers.  I am the guy now registered to that serial number, hence I get the claim form. The odd part is that I don’t own the boat any longer.  The people I sold it to had no reason to change the registration with MerCruiser, since the original factory warranty had expired in the period I owned it.  If the buyers of your previous boats changed the registration with MerCruiser as I did, that could explain why you didn’t get claim forms for those purchases. Russ

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You get a coupon and the lawyers get $333,000,342.

At least, I am sure. Probably very much more. 68 days to go..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit. BTW the suit is for all consumers who purchased a new Mercruiser stern drive or inboard engine in Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mwxico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin or the District of Columbia during the period from February 17, 1995 through February 16, 1999. The choices are: A. $100.00 cash payment. B. Free Brunswick products – retail value up to $200     Life Vest package ($186.60) suggested retail price.     The package includes 1 XL, 1 L, and 2 M blue/black Quicksilver vests. Each    vest has closed sides, four 1" belts, and denier coated nylon shell covering soft     Ensolite foam.     Kneeboard package ($195.75) suggested retail price.     The package includes one Quicksilver "Hurricane" Kneeboard; one 75′ soft  handled ski rope and four USCG approved Quicksilver boat cushions.     Igloo Cooler ($149.99) suggested retail price.     One 128 qt. Igloo Marine cooler with a foam insulated body and lid, nautical     rope, wood handles and a threaded drain plug.     Brunswick bowling ball and bag ($199.90) suggested retail price.     One Brunswick Attack Zone mid-performance 16 lb bowling ball and one black    Brunswick Zone Pro Double Roller bag.     Zebco Fishing Pacage ($205.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes one 100% graphite 6′ medium action, cork handled spinning rod with metal 4 ball bearing spinning reel; one 5′ 6" medium action,    cork handled casting rod with Quantum Heat 1 ball bearing baitcast reel; one     spincast combo with on-pack camera; one 275 yd., 10 lb Monofilament fishing     line; and one 4" carbon steel hook.     American Camper package ($200.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes four American Camper 29" x 72" fleece lined, full length     zipper sleeping bags; and one American Camper 9′ x 9′ four person dome tent     with rain fly.     Mongoose Mountain Bike ($199.00) suggested retail price.     One adult Mongoose 21 speed mountain bike with dual suspension and 26" unisex frame. All rpoducts are subject to availability. If inventory problems should arise, Brunswick will substitute products within the category of equal or greater value. C. $200 Customer Rebate Coupon     $200.00 consumer rebate coupon, valid for the purchase of any Mercury Marine     Outboard of 60 horsepower or less, to be exercised of or before December 31,     2000. Those are the choices. I have decided to go with the Mongoose mountain bike and the American Camper package. I will be replacing a Huffy mountain bike that was stolen 3 years ago during one of my many trips to Put-in-Bay. I will go with the camper package since all my sleeping bags are at least 10 years old and showing their wear and tear. I don’t know if I will ever use the tent but who knows. I could always sell it I guess. Reasons for not choosing: The $100.00 cash payment. Not really much of an offer there. Once the money is spent it is gone and $200.00 is not going to make or break me. Life vest package. I already have 10 various sizes of life jackets aboard and most are 3 years old or newer. Kneeboard package. I really cannot see myself kneeboarding behind my 30′ Bayliner and besides that I may be to old to learn. Igloo cooler. My boat came with a 64 quart Igloo cooler so I really don’t need another one. Bowling ball and bag. I already own a bowling ball, bag and shoes so it would be redundant. Zebco fishing package. I don’t fish. $200 dollar consumer rebate coupon. I do not anticipate purchasing a new outboard motor anytime soon since I already own a Merc 15 hp motor for my inflatable. To the rest of you what would you choose and why? If there are any NG members who are participants in the suit will you send in your claims and what did you choose and why. Just curious. 68 days to go..

You get a coupon and the lawyers get $333,000,342. — Harry Krause The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet

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Well, about 4 weeks ago I received my Notice Of Pendency And Settlement Of Class Action in the Couch vs Brunswick class action suit. Since my last purchase has twin engines I have received 2 claim forms to send in. I am in a greedy mood and wonder why I did not receive forms for the purchases in 95, 96 and 97 as they were all Mercruiser powered boats also. Oh well, two is enough I guess. Anyway here are the choices. I will announce my two choices and wonder what you would choose or what you did choose if you are a member of the suit. BTW the suit is for all consumers who purchased a new Mercruiser stern drive or inboard engine in Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, California, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mwxico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin or the District of Columbia during the period from February 17, 1995 through February 16, 1999. The choices are: A. $100.00 cash payment. B. Free Brunswick products – retail value up to $200     Life Vest package ($186.60) suggested retail price.     The package includes 1 XL, 1 L, and 2 M blue/black Quicksilver vests. Each    vest has closed sides, four 1" belts, and denier coated nylon shell covering soft     Ensolite foam.     Kneeboard package ($195.75) suggested retail price.     The package includes one Quicksilver "Hurricane" Kneeboard; one 75′ soft    handled ski rope and four USCG approved Quicksilver boat cushions.     Igloo Cooler ($149.99) suggested retail price.     One 128 qt. Igloo Marine cooler with a foam insulated body and lid, nautical     rope, wood handles and a threaded drain plug.     Brunswick bowling ball and bag ($199.90) suggested retail price.     One Brunswick Attack Zone mid-performance 16 lb bowling ball and one black    Brunswick Zone Pro Double Roller bag.     Zebco Fishing Pacage ($205.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes one 100% graphite 6′ medium action, cork handled     spinning rod with metal 4 ball bearing spinning reel; one 5′ 6" medium action,    cork handled casting rod with Quantum Heat 1 ball bearing baitcast reel; one     spincast combo with on-pack camera; one 275 yd., 10 lb Monofilament fishing     line; and one 4" carbon steel hook.     American Camper package ($200.00) suggested retail price.     The package includes four American Camper 29" x 72" fleece lined, full length     zipper sleeping bags; and one American Camper 9′ x 9′ four person dome tent     with rain fly.     Mongoose Mountain Bike ($199.00) suggested retail price.     One adult Mongoose 21 speed mountain bike with dual suspension and 26"     unisex frame. All rpoducts are subject to availability. If inventory problems should arise, Brunswick will substitute products within the category of equal or greater value. C. $200 Customer Rebate Coupon     $200.00 consumer rebate coupon, valid for the purchase of any Mercury Marine     Outboard of 60 horsepower or less, to be exercised of or before December 31,     2000. Those are the choices. I have decided to go with the Mongoose mountain bike and the American Camper package. I will be replacing a Huffy mountain bike that was stolen 3 years ago during one of my many trips to Put-in-Bay. I will go with the camper package since all my sleeping bags are at least 10 years old and showing their wear and tear. I don’t know if I will ever use the tent but who knows. I could always sell it I guess. Reasons for not choosing: The $100.00 cash payment. Not really much of an offer there. Once the money is spent it is gone and $200.00 is not going to make or break me. Life vest package. I already have 10 various sizes of life jackets aboard and most are 3 years old or newer. Kneeboard package. I really cannot see myself kneeboarding behind my 30′ Bayliner and besides that I may be to old to learn. Igloo cooler. My boat came with a 64 quart Igloo cooler so I really don’t need another one. Bowling ball and bag. I already own a bowling ball, bag and shoes so it would be redundant. Zebco fishing package. I don’t fish. $200 dollar consumer rebate coupon. I do not anticipate purchasing a new outboard motor anytime soon since I already own a Merc 15 hp motor for my inflatable. To the rest of you what would you choose and why? If there are any NG members who are participants in the suit will you send in your claims and what did you choose and why. Just curious. 68 days to go..    

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Hi All, I compiled the following URL’s over the last week or so since I have seen so many requests for locations on the web.  I just posted it on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying and thought you guys would enjoy them also. Pete Tampone Fresno, CA Fly Fishing URL’s http://flyfishing.about.com/sports/fishhunt/flyfishing/ http://www.fishhoo.com/ http://www.anglersworkshop.com/ http://www.bobmarriotts.com/ http://www.btsflyfishing.com/ http://www.buckeyeflyfishers.com/education_frame.htm http://www.cabelas.com/ http://www.masterfx.com/Flysnest/Generalfly.htm http://listings.ebay.com/aw/glistings/list/category1492/index.html http://www.fishticker.com/ http://www.flyanglersonline.com/ http://www.davisbrown.com/alpha.htm http://www.yong-special.com/ http://www.kman.com/ http://www.flyshop.com/bench/index-flies.cfm?ID=1727&flyname=McVay%27s%2 http://www.flyfish.com/cgibin/bin/ldisplay.cgi?forsale http://members.aol.com/azflytyer/ http://globalflyfisher.com/ http://www.agt.net/public/flytying/index.html http://www.mailordercentral.com/hookhack/departments.asp http://www.killroys.com/ http://www.motherlodefly.com/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wa/salmonid/ http://www.flyshop.com/centers/midwest/09-99carp/ http://www.mwflytyer.com/ http://www.flyshop.com/index.cfm http://members.mint.net/raske/swaps/bucktail/lil_bucktails.html http://www.flyshop.com/Marketplace/index.cfm?content=auction&page=ind… 6854&action=details&fullblown=true http://www.virtualflybox.com/

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Hi Pete, thanks for the URL

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I live in Butte, Montana, born and raised here.  Also lived and fished the Sierra Nevada’s near Truckee, CA for about 10 years.  I have degrees in Respiratory Therapy and a graduate degree in Biology.   Been a FF’er since the 70’s.  I very much enjoy still water fishing.  All those lakes near Truckee had a lasting effect.  Milton Reservoir remains one of my favorite places to fish.   I have read this group for the last couple of years and had kind of dropped it due to all the flames and off subject stuff.  I returned a few weeks ago and was surprised to see the lack of venom.  Personally, I enjoy  a fishing group that talks about fishing.   I am curious, what happened? Joe  

Howdy Joe, What happened? Well hell, as someone else put it, we all set down on the front porch and started drinkin’ and bs’n and it turns out we ain’t all so bad, different (‘ceptin wayno and i are johnny rebs) or f&*!ed-up as we originally thought. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath too long if I was you. I see storm clouds a buildin’ out west in the Rockies and up north Canady way. Tight lines, Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… I live in Butte, Montana, born and raised here.  Also lived and fished the Sierra Nevada’s near Truckee, CA for about 10 years.  I have degrees in Respiratory Therapy and a graduate degree in Biology.   Been a FF’er since the 70’s.  I very much enjoy still water fishing.  All those lakes near Truckee had a lasting effect.  Milton Reservoir remains one of my favorite places to fish. I have read this group for the last couple of years and had kind of dropped it due to all the flames and off subject stuff.  I returned a few weeks ago and was surprised to see the lack of venom.  Personally, I enjoy  a fishing group that talks about fishing. I am curious, what happened? Joe Howdy Joe, What happened? Well hell, as someone else put it, we all set down on the front porch and started drinkin’ and bs’n and it turns out we ain’t all so bad, different (‘ceptin wayno and i are johnny rebs) or f&*!ed-up as we originally thought. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath too long if I was you. I see storm clouds a buildin’ out west in the Rockies and up north Canady way. Tight lines, Wataugan Walt

    Rebels? In NORTH Carolina ? I was under the impression that everybody north of Jacksonville was a yankee. (that auta kick up some dust). Guess next time I see ya I’ll havta check if yer smoken backwoods en gulpin burbon en branch water ( I prefer southern comfort).                                                      John Popp                                                 pertnear south as ya get                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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Freud would have had a field day with this one.  I’ve heard about having an Oedipus complex, but I’ve never heard of suffering from the Rex. Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle. I am a 6 year old miniature french poodle (white, female) owned by some very nice people in Canada.   I am very pampered and a very, very lucky little dog.  I have a beautiful studded collar that my owner, an elderly couple, got me for Christmas last year (human year).  I am well fed and groomed. Like I said, I am very lucky. Except for sometimes. That sometimes is when Uncle Jim comes by and is left alone with me or takes me to the poodle boutique.  He is a very mean man.  In the interest of good taste and politeness (I am french, after all) I will not elaborate on the details of his acts.   Once, though, he left me in the car on the hottest day of the year while he went in to some place that looked like a big doghouse and had sillohouettes of nude human females painted black on the outside.   Of course, I can’t speak and my owner never knows what he does. The best I can do is bark and try to bite him. — Fifi

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Which just goes to show you…never underestimate an ass. Jon "Fishing’s the last thing on my mind" Cook.

– Shoot far’ Jon, I’ve seen asses that couldn’t be *overestimated*! (-: Frank Church Elkhart, IN Over the hill?    What hill?    I didn’t see no hill….(!)

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Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle. I am a 6 year old miniature french poodle (white, female) owned by some very nice people in Canada.   I am very pampered and a very, very lucky little dog.  I have a beautiful studded collar that my owner, an elderly couple, got me for Christmas last year (human year).  I am well fed and groomed. Like I said, I am very lucky. Except for sometimes. That sometimes is when Uncle Jim comes by and is left alone with me or takes me to the poodle boutique.  He is a very mean man.  In the interest of good taste and politeness (I am french, after all) I will not elaborate on the details of his acts.   Once, though, he left me in the car on the hottest day of the year while he went in to some place that looked like a big doghouse and had sillohouettes of nude human females painted black on the outside.   Of course, I can’t speak and my owner never knows what he does. The best I can do is bark and try to bite him. — Fifi

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Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle.

Bloody hell ! Reincarnation yet, thought you got burned to death in a pain threshold experiment.  Welcome back to ROFF. You will doubtless be pleased to here that one of the current discussions is Catfishing, and whether to release the beasts or not. This may at least give you some vicarious pleasure, and compensate you somewhat for the dastardly acts imposed on your good self by Uncle Jim. Seems there are a couple of people on here, very similar to Uncle Jim,  who have problems with cats actually, or maybe just the houses the cats live in ?  Whatever, glad to see you alive and barking. Fifi long thought to be dead, has again raised her elegant head, like a phoenix she rose, ( an unnatural pose ! ), and she still looks well groomed and  well fed. Pampered and polished she is, and goes once a week for a frizz, to the poodle boutique, with her uncle the freak, but no reason to get in a tizz ! The tests have now been postponed, cause Fifi was obviously stoned, you dont feel pain, when youre full of cocaine, and the lexus would have to be loaned. In the future we

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – here’s the story.  about a month ago a friend of mine and i got our california fishing licenses.  we have gone out several times with not much luck.  we live in reno nevada and have easy access to the truckee river, lake tahoe area, bridgeport area, and the lake davis area. most of our efforts have been concentrated on the truckee river and various other streams close by.  i have not caught anything yet and my friend has only caught one trout.  i have an experienced friend who says that flyfishing is "something you have to pay your dues with".  is that the general consensus?  what do you suggest if nothing seems to be working (like in my case)?  fish new areas?  delve into entomology?  read books? pay for a guide?  i feel like i can do this i just need to build some momentum up (and going in the right direction would help). my current setup is a 7′-6" bamboo 5/6 weight rod; 100 yards of 10 lb. backing; "courtland" shooting head line (floating); "scientific angler" leader.  i have been using and had strikes on wooly worms, wooly buggers, helgramites.  i have been using and not having luck with nymphs, cahills, grasshoppers, and various dry flies. there is nothing more frustrating than to be wading in the middle of a hole with fish rising all around me and not being able to catch one. this has actually happened twice. if anyone would be kind enough to help, my friend and i would greatly appreciate it.  thank you in advance.

Try to pick a fly that most closely matches the size of the insects that you see on the surface.  The next most important thing is to keep one hand on your line line at all times.  The fact that you are getting strikes means that your fly selection is not that bad.   A problem I used to have is I would mend and leave to much line out.   When I got a strike, I could not pull the line taught quickly enough to set the hook.  If you are not able to pull your line taught by raising your rod tip to 45 deg above horizontal, plus a single pull with your line hand, then you have to much line out. Brian Brian

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here’s the story.  about a month ago a friend of mine and i got our california fishing licenses.  we have gone out several times with not much luck.  we live in reno nevada and have easy access to the truckee river, lake tahoe area, bridgeport area, and the lake davis area. most of our efforts have been concentrated on the truckee river and various other streams close by.  i have not caught anything yet and my friend has only caught one trout.  i have an experienced friend who says that flyfishing is "something you have to pay your dues with".  is that the general consensus?  what do you suggest if nothing seems to be working (like in my case)?  fish new areas?  delve into entomology?  read books? pay for a guide?  i feel like i can do this i just need to build some momentum up (and going in the right direction would help). my current setup is a 7′-6" bamboo 5/6 weight rod; 100 yards of 10 lb. backing; "courtland" shooting head line (floating); "scientific angler" leader.  i have been using and had strikes on wooly worms, wooly buggers, helgramites.  i have been using and not having luck with nymphs, cahills, grasshoppers, and various dry flies. there is nothing more frustrating than to be wading in the middle of a hole with fish rising all around me and not being able to catch one. this has actually happened twice. if anyone would be kind enough to help, my friend and i would greatly appreciate it.  thank you in advance.

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I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly. However, one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed.   He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired.   Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence.    Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed.  I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff.   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results. Incidently, the 3×5 buck was in full velvet, which is very unusual in Oregon’s rifle season (early October).   Turns out, his scrotum was empty.   Was this technically a "cactus buck" that never would have shed his antlers? Thanks in advance for any responses, Ed in Oregon

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one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed.   He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired.   Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence.    Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed.  I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff.   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.

Season before last, I hunted Nevada for mule deer and was able to stalk within 110 yards of a sleeping buck in completely open country. The strong, noisy wind covered any noise I made and kept my scent away from the buck’s bed. This buck had his head on the ground, fast asleep. I’ve never seen this before. Since I had as much time as I wanted to shoot, and there was no escape for the buck if I missed my mark, I shot him in the spine about six inches below the skull and he never moved–until a minute later when he gave one reflexive kick of a hind leg. I recovered the Fail Safe bullet from my 7 Mag in the soil behind the buck. The petals had broken off, but the exit wound was a square hole indicating the petals had broken off in the dirt. The bullet retained 85% of its weight, but it’s nominal diameter was caliber size with the petals off. Most mulies I’ve shot in their bed had their heads up and were awake if not alert. Most tumble or roll then stand and run a bit. These, of course, were shot in the chest. Many more, magically disappear sometime during my stalk. I’ve a good tale of one I shot in his bed (a little too far away) on my CD-ROM that I won’t tell here. Which reminds me…   …I recently swapped one of my CDs for one on fly fishing with a guy who was selling it. I must say I was very disappointed in his product. It had no sound or animation, few graphics, little interactivity, and not as much info as I had hoped, and only ran on Windows–not a good advertisement for CDs in general. But it made me feel good about my effort.  :-) Get the CD-ROM "Tim Calvin’s Hunting the West" Call me to order with VISA/MC, 1-800-215-9045. Price: $59.95 plus $1.24 postage. CA residents must add $4.35 tax.

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I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly.

{snip an interesting story} …   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.

I was hunting in around Mt Adams, one time, when I noticed fresh tracks entering a laurel thicket.  I circled the thicket (about a 1/2 mile trek) and did not see the tracks leave the thicket.  I followed the tracks into the thicket and found him sound asleep in the center.  He looked so pretty, I sat down and watched him for awhile.  Finally, I reached over my head and broke a branch.  I think that deer turned full around and started running while still in mid-air.  I was laughing so hard I couldn’t have shot him, even if I’d wanted to.  It took me two more days to find a deer willing to go home with me.  ;-) Bob **** Armed and Safe(tm) **** **** www.ivic.net/~ecr  ****

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Do you want to blow your mind, try fishing for monster pike with a fly rod.

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Harrison River in British Columbia has lots of big (to 25lbs.), strong (I’ve broken at least one reel) salmon.  Chums are not great to eat, but for us catch & release people they can be fun.  Small pink marabou flies fished deep can be great.  Downstream from the bridge is a favorite spot. Help!  I’d really like more information on this fishery.  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks!  :-) P.S. Please E-MAIL me your response (I am usually out fishing, so I don’t have time to MONITOR this bulletin board…but email gets to me no problem).  Thanks K Lawson

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I’ve fished the Harrison for a number of years. You want chums try flour red or orange glo-bug yarn with a tinsel body. Dead drift with a type 4 sink tip. For a change of pace try cutts part on the east shore. More my style. I find the big dogs  (and if you’ve been fishing in BC as long as me you’d call them dogs) kind of boring after getting over the initial novelty of big fish on the fly. But lots of people enjoy these hard pulling fish and if that’s you’re cup of tea – you know where they are. Should continue into Nov. Try the chehalis just up the Morris Valley road by the Sasquatch Inn for mondo dogs and lots of coho. Good cutts in Dec and steelhead show in late Dec- Jan. Gets very crwoded tho’ Best of luck!

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